reacting to your kpop hot takes (our viewers are brutal 😂 )

[@DKDKTV]

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[@fi0rella]

I spoke to soon lol you're one of the many asking for the originals 😭😭 guess you don't have blink and army friends who'd link you to the right threads hehe they've found em 😌they won't pop in google reverse image search cause they combine more than one pic but.. fans could find em 💀

[@susan1063]

So I saw a video of yours some time ago where you guys spoke about the 2 korean ladies dancing in India and then you said things about how dangerous India is. I have been your subscriber for a long time but no more now. I live in Mumbai a city that never sleeps, i wear shorts, a tank top, slippers and go out to eat alone at 3 am and I am safe. I dont get any man coming up to me or grabbing me unlike it happens to foreign women in Korea. I love Korea and Bts but Korea is not 100% safe like people think and there are millions of videos of women who live in korea talk about it. At least in India if a rape happens the man is punished unlike Korea where the court tells the victim to marry the rapist and settle the issue and i saw this in korean news. Did you even see the video of those ladies dancing in India. That is not our culture and its not yours either. I bet my life they would have not danced like that in Korea and by the way those ladies are safe, no man did anything to them. In India we say guest is God and we treat people like that. I am not sending any hate but I am very upset about how you guys think. India beat UK to be the 5th largest economy of the world while South Korea is in the 12th position. India produces the highest number of female pilots in the world. India is no 1 when it comes to IT. After US, India is the 2nd country with the most number of english speakers. So much and yet koreans think that they are the best. Never degrade anyone without knowing the complete truth.

[@angeladonato5096]

7:02 “Because kpop is such a visual art form.” I would agree, and I think a big percentage of kpop fans nowadays care more for the concept of a comeback over the music quality.

[@SM-kv4gr]

Hot Take: Kpop Idol success is not about their music anymore. It's more about their personality branding. If they can portray a likable persona, they're gonna have fans. Hence all the variety show content, etc..

[@WTeey]

Very true, kpop stans don't care about music but visuals. Most buy albums for photocards too. That's why these days a lot of groups put many versions with 100+ photocards, kpop (not all, except BTS too) sell looks, kpop stans mostly have Asian fetish, it's even getting cringey as they will ass lick any east Asian guys on TikTok it's worse. Just be Asian, look like a kpop idols, Korea-boos will throw money at your live broadcasts.

[@Nicholi86]

I can't agree. Everyone has their own stanning experience and mine is defined by music 1st. You could be the sweetest person but if I don't like your music I wouldn't ever stan you. I'll just watch content and that's totally different.

[@monimuppet6132]

@@Nicholi86 True. Even if the focus for Idol groups has become personality, the shift is in hopes that the engagement turns into sells and streams. But, as you said, one can easily just watch the delightful content and never playlist even a single song. So the group may gain "fans" in terms of views but that's not going to sustain their career - as we've witnessed.

[@roter13]

It's not just a Blackpink issue. So many groups in Kpop have cringeworthy lyrics.

[@Ykoz2016]

Very true. I just prefer when they (anybody not just BP) sing actual words (in any language) and not just random made up sounds. Is that too much to ask?

[@nickoeugenio1278]

FACT LOL. they just mainstream it HAHAH

[@adnirvs8147]

The worst is when a lot of groups (esp SM ones) add random English words where it's not even necessary, which makes it even more cringe. BP also does that a lot. Ig the aim is to make it easy for ppl to absorb faster & singalong.

[@roter13]

@@adnirvs8147 I would prefer the songs in pure Korean.

[@chrisc5095]

I think it's more apparent for BP is that they're supposed to be the badass/cool group, then when they say those silly lyrics it makes it even more cringey. And it's not just BP but any group that is supposed to be the "badass" group.

[@yong387]

hot take:- Visual is the most important nowadays. Dance comes second and vocals comes last.

[@Dani.Torres]

People take K-pop too seriously. I like Kpop, I consume it, I buy albums and go to concerts, but it's music, audiovisual entertainment, it's something to have fun with, right?

[@heyvkj2412]

Exactly. Fans get too involved in whatever rumours or "scandals" too. I mean there’s no way of us knowing anything apart from things we read online which could be completely fake or half the story. Just enjoy kpop goddamn it’s entertainment

[@eb5x_789]

you could say the same for sports. people fistfight each other and riot over my regional team beat your regional team and won the fancy annual trophy. it's all absurd.

[@ystrw]

The problem is, they sink their loyalty and affection into it, and then they're emotionally invested. And many K-pop companies actively encourage and enable that, because they want fans to stick with 'em and not drift off to other groups. It's an inevitable result of the ferociously competitive industry that's so overstuffed with artists that they have to resort to psychological tricks to get and keep fans. And not just that: to attempt to drive fans *away* from other fandoms. What they don't seem to get is that all the bad fandom behavior actually drives away more potentially interested people than it attracts. The entire industry suffers as a result of encouraging fanaticism.

[@em5522]

@@eb5x_789 tbf, kpop has not reached sports' level of absurd and my hope is that it never does.

[@Deathrunaway12]

​@@em5522 Are you sure of that ? Too much money at stake for what it is, bulliying, etc

[@LesEXO2012]

I agree with the mass streaming. It's absurd and not a real gauge on how well the song is being received. It's all about fandoms being able to brag and it's silly

[@gillyweedniharry]

It's even sillier when fans who show their love via streaming fight with fans whose love language isn't streaming. Where's the respect? Different people enjoy stuff differently.

[@parkpark6976]

But artists make money from streaming and views. And to produce music requires money.

[@MikedieONE]

well its not as "silly" as you think. streams are not just a prestige thing. every stream brings revenue and money for the artist. so when you "mass stream" a song you basically support the artist financially.

[@LesEXO2012]

@@MikedieONE Silly. Mass streaming is silly I said what I said. That's my opinion. Agree to disagree.

[@swatikumari1992]

@@parkpark6976 I think then they should make songs good enough for listeners to continue streaming rather than relying on their love and loyalty towards them, for upcoming and small artist it is still understandable but not for huge acts, at the end of the day ppl turn to music to have fun not to do a streaming job 9 to 5 as kpop stans these days are doing

[@Ag_1288]

I believe that people who know BTS only from their recent international releases (Dynamite, Butter, PTD) will surely see BTS as overrated. When thinking about their older songs, I'd say, past BTS (2014-2017) is severely underrated.

[@coltrathennet]

yes i agree

[@vkskms]

severely? lmao please dont

[@ravikantkumar4832]

@@vkskms you don't know anything I guess & i would say most of army don't even know. Specially rap line is 🔥🔥🔥

[@philxina5625]

@@vkskms believe what you want. They are amazing, whether you agree or not🤷🏾‍♀️.

[@gummynoodles9036]

Yes, i was a fan during the older eras. But i do think they’re way too overrated now

[@ThePricklyash]

Hot take: Amazing vocal ability is an afterthought in picking an idol. Which is crazy . . . . Cause it’s music! Hotter take: They should invest more money in lyrics and melody, and also let the artist pick their own sound and color

[@chrismunk]

I think this is a hot take depending on which Generation and/or Kpop company you're talking about. SM seems all about vocals (well for at least a few members of a group) vs JYP doesn't strike me as focused on vocals. Generally it seems that 4th gen is more about dance/performance vs. vocal ability.

[@Pain-yx1ri]

RBW, SM and cube ents may be exceptions but yeah the majority its all dance/visuals

[@magicshop3431]

Well... For Kpop the visual comes first. And since singing is a skill that can be improved through practice I don't mind it.

[@magicshop3431]

@@chrismunk Yeah SM has amazing talents and it's unfortunate that they don't get to show it much.

[@matthewlyn9224]

Lol Amazing vocals, something missing very vastly in K-pop industry 🤣

[@angeladonato5096]

4:48 Honestly yes cause nowadays mass-streaming doesn’t really hold any testament to how good a group and their music 💿 are.

[@Tony-fh3ur]

yep exactly, more number of views doesn't necessarily mean it's a good song anymore

[@thinaalcan1834]

I agree! I pity those new artists that have REAL TALENTS and have good music to offer that even in Korean music shows cannot even win or even nominate cuz of low streaming votes compared to those who have well-established fans combined with a giant entertainment company . Like for example, the new group LAPILLUS. Tho they have great vocals & each girl has her own talent, name recall is still that far on KNetz. Thanks to the international fans mostly of eyeing this new GG.

[@MGZetta]

@@thinaalcan1834 Why are you talking about a new girl group when new boy groups getting buried alive by those mass streams and kpop culture.

[@thinaalcan1834]

@@MGZetta AS I SAID, "FOR EXAMPLE" 😁 YOU CAN APPLY IT ALSO ON NEW BOY GROUPS..HINA KOMPREHEND TEH HAHAHA

[@MGZetta]

@@thinaalcan1834 poor ass example. lmao

[@momohatsana]

Overrated or underrated - for me BTS artistry and growth has been phenomenal. And I think one needs to acknowledge their skills. They write their own lyrics. They can produce. They performance level is incredible. Also when you watch their vlives and they talk about their work and the thought process, it is very impressive. And it also shows just how involved they are in their work.And this has been there since the beginning of their journey. Consistently, persistently, they have shown just how much they work in their studio and on tour too with all their equipments. Recently J-Hope's JITB, RM lyrics and Sexy Nukim, Suga producing range from That that to Samsung tone to a game sound. That's a huge range. Jungkook, V, Jimin, Jin all have written and released individual songs and you can see how each of them bring their own colour and have shown their capabilities. You might not like them due to your taste and it's subjective but on an objective pov, one knows that BTS level is top notch. It's at a very high professional level. Are BTS tbe only ones who can do this? No. But BTS definitely has all of the criteria to be on top of their game industry. One can't sit there and dismiss what BTS as a team bring to the table. I don't like certain genres of music and some artists are not my style but if they are talented and their skills are there, then I don't dismiss them. Also, on the point of rappers - I remember what Jackson said a long time back on the episode with RM on Problematic Men, that he can rap but he is not a rapper. There are alot of idols that can rap but I don't think they are rappers as they don't write their own lines.

[@tamminawar]

You're so right with your words

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

BTS is the standard, they kill it in all areas I mean they real out blood sweat and tears into their work and I 💯 percent respect that

[@pennyyoung3997]

I think BP is overrated.

[@matthewlyn9224]

They produce anything's, you go and believe that, your comment it's so overrated

[@aishwaryaahirrao]

@@matthewlyn9224 troll

[@moa_loves_odi]

Hot take: Being a kpop fan is 10 times better if you aren't on Twitter. I literally only have weverse as a social media and it's great ❣💙

[@jerseygirl6221]

FACTS. One of my greatest regrets is going on kpop Twitter. A scary place…

[@ystrw]

Amen. I don't have a Twitter account, and I'm not going to get one, because the place is a cesspool... I had FB, but I dropped it in disgust... so the only social medias I sit on are Weverse and Instagram, and Insta is for the pictures and stories, not for interactions. Of course there's some socializing here on YT, but most people here are pretty nice to talk to, unlike the so-called communication platforms. (Though Weverse has annoyed me by changing up so that only paid accounts may post...free users can make a reply to someone else's post, but may not start a topic. Irritating.)

[@im_a_messy_kid]

@@jerseygirl6221 and possibly tik tok nowadays

[@em5522]

@@im_a_messy_kid I've only _heard_ abt what goes on over at tiktok and that's enough to not make me want to check any of it out.

[@Peachpieeeee]

I beg everyone do not go on Twitter that shit is toxic as fuk

[@keepgoingfwd]

Hot take: companies should take steps to encourage idols socializing with other idols like the humans they are. This includes co-ed and dating. Help facilitate toxic-free environments to encourage happier (or, at least happier-looking) peole.

[@andrewb.7917]

I don't think it should be encouraged, but I also dont think it should be frowned upon either. I think maybe they just do it to play it safe. Navigating a public relationship can be daunting for young people when you are being judged on such a large scale by outsiders. Both parties must need immense confidence and mental fortitude to withstand that kind of attention. I cant even begin to comprehend it tbh. Imagine if you were doing a fan meet and jealous fans did something awful or shouted obscenities at you from the crowd because of who you chose to love. I would hate to experience something like that. That probably already happens from rumors. It would be worse I'm sure if it was true.

[@joan5857]

People who thinks BTS is overrated are actually the one’s who doesn’t know the hardship and hardwork BTS putting in everything they are doing,People who doesn’t have idea how hard they worked since the beginning of their career.

[@matthewlyn9224]

People think BTS it's more talented than Céline Dion o bob Dylan that's overrated, you really believe they produce their own music fully, don't be dumb🤷🏻‍♀️

[@joan5857]

@@matthewlyn9224 and here you are,thank you for proving my statement is correct😍You’re the exact definition of what I’m talking about.

[@juliasvyrydova7222]

I honestly think that people who think that bts is overrated just don't like their music, or expected much more from them, since they are everywhere and everyone is obsessing over them. It is also possible that people would say that bts is overrated, becuase of what has been fed to them, basically, it includes dynamite, butter, ptd. In my opinion I wouldn't say that bts is overrated in the past, f.e. during love yourself era, but now for the last few years they have been realizing such generic pop songs to appeal to american audiences that I defenitely understand where those are coming from.

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

@@juliasvyrydova7222 BE and Film Out was literally released during their english tracks and now PROOF yall r just like the western media that completely ignores their korean songs and only gives a fuck to their english songs. its giving xenophobia. also r u rlly going to say MOTS and MOTS7 werent good? especially when black swan is a part of those 💀

[@katecamille2397]

@@juliasvyrydova7222 they released BE, a pandemic album after dynamite. Sometime people forget that album exists and just think about their eng releases. Life goes on, blue and grey, fly to my room etc. BE was great! Sad that some people don’t look past their english singles

[@explore.express.love.3483]

Kpop calling BTS overrated isn't even a 'hot take' anymore. How can I ever forget how Kpop was so threatened by BTS's Billboard wins that in 2018 a whole twitter thread was trending and to quote a famous one: "The organization of the United Kpopers declares ARMY expelled as for today" and "Thanks to ARMYs for understanding and accepting our degradation in a good way. Even though they are now at a lower level, the kpop community wised them luck" I see it so often that I don't even bother unless they are misinforming people and have no factual base over saying it (quiet often actually). I listen to a lot of other artists and heavily respect a lot of them (and don't appreciate how not just BTS but kpop is misunderstood cause it is 'korean popular music' and not Korean Pop music with many masterpieces). Then there are few I watched to widen my spectrum and be unbiased. But that never changed the way this group has always been ahead of its time alongside unmatched passion towards music. This is every trend bts has set that is very relevant in kpop today: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoGsp2Wla8p4abs Talk about how casually the industry discredits the BTS inspite adopting majority of the aspects that a group today cannot imagine debiting without. You can strip them of all the hype but their songs will stay relevant because of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaaUpZ9jZclrodk Like I still sometimes go back to their 2012 logs on KZbin and them talking about the process of production, their training, the prejudice etc. While most of the industry to date doesn't care about artistry or artistic growth, Namjoon has literally called out the industry on how it doesn't allow one to grow. And the talk over the fandom when (based on numerous concert and fan demographic stats that show percentages on an average is something like 9.8% teenagers, 30.1% in 20s, 37% in 30s, 18.1% in 40s and 4.7% were 50 or above). Also being a fangirl is no wrong. And yes it isn't easy to cover BTS's history with 300+ songs in their discography, with easily about 8 to 10 genres and rebellious lyricsm with extensive cultural background. Like this channel itself has done so many breakdowns on their heavy lyricsm to make it more accessible to foreign fans. Edit: for some in the comment saying they only wrote and produce few songs. The members and especially the three rappers have written almost 90% of music in their discoraphy alongside few in-house writers and producers. So much that all of the 7 are members of the Korean Music Copyright Association. As of 2022, Suga has 147 credits (songs under him as writer, composer, producer)Jhope has 119 credits, and RM has 200 credits. This makes him the youngest and second most credited artist in Korea since 2021 after co-writing the group TXT's song 0×1=love song. Also the pandemic does not only involve their English songs. 'BE' album is a critically acclaimed album and their recent be-side 'Run BTS' was a total hit alongside melow vocal heavy songs Yet to Come and For youth (watch KBS and PROOF live). Not to forget the numerous collabs & solo works. You don't have to be interested in the group. But before saying random things, doing some research can help discussions be more sensible.

[@pixiiie]

PREACH !! 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@goldspirit8648]

Right??? And also being underrated does not pay the bills. If I was an idol and fans labelled me underrated, I would not be happy lol. BTS is overrated, and for a good reason. They deserve to be at the top.

[@explore.express.love.3483]

@@goldspirit8648 I partly agree. I feel like there is a spectrum among fans. Like Danny said when you are on the top some see you like Gods. Frankly I have seen ARMYs like that. But that's just a small part of a huge fandom. Actually there is nothing wrong in seeing someone as the ultimate if they inspire you. But the downside is sometimes you don't see or will refuse to admit the other side of the picture. But what people don't realise is so many of us ARMYs are actual adults who have legit work to do, and see a lot in our daily lives. And those armys analyse and rate them for exactly what they deserve. No more, no less. People just do not want to admit that even in a very rational sense BTS has been an anomaly in various ways in the music industries (whether be through there process of music, their choice and skills in lyricsm, being ahead of their time in promoting their works since predebut, their indulgence and strong knowledge in the legends of each genre; just take the song 'hip hop phile') and its not because some fans chant 'The Greatest' day and night.

[@gummynoodles9036]

You see it so much you donth even bother but you write this long ass paragraph 🤣

[@explore.express.love.3483]

@@gummynoodles9036 I said I do bother when people misinform. I saw a lot of misinformation in the comment box so I wrote.

[@Pastabop]

Loved this video, you should definitely make it a series or something 👍🏻

[@ellendrv]

Bts ain’t overrated people just love to shit on them just because they are famous

[@titlidas8993]

This is so true. People just hate them because they are famous🧍🏻‍♀️

[@MODNAR67]

Like did they just want them to never get popular??? As soon as bts started getting recognition they became “overrated” yall just love throwing around words at this point 😒

[@leslieserendipity]

Yea, well most of these were written by kpop stans jealous that their groups are not as popular as bts so what did we expect

[@leslieserendipity]

@Yessi Gutierrez it is not surprising :( in fact i would say bts is underrated, they don't get the recognition they deserve, these american shows not putting them on the important nominations but still want them to be there for rating like??

[@iufanboy5970]

imho they are overrated not because they are bad (i don't really like them, but it's just my personal taste) but because there are others artists as talented as them that aren't as famous. i don t know if i explained it well. it's basically something like that: BTS is a famous and talented group but there are other groups as talented as BTS but not as famous. if everyone has the same talent, they should have the same popularity but that's not the case, so when people see BTS at the top, they consider them overrated because other groups even if they have the same talent, they are ranked lower and the fans don't see a reason why BTS should be at the top if they have nothing more than other groups/artist. I hope u understand what i'm trying to say

[@PENTASTIC25]

I dunno if this is even a hot take, but I'll let it fly anyway: kpop groups releasing English songs more frequently being considered as "pandering" is an empty piece of criticism. Nobody makes these arguments for groups making songs that fit the Chinese or Japanese markets by adjusting the spoken language or composition style (particularly with Japan). It's part of expanding in the entertainment structure chief, play the field accordingly Edit: I was specifically referring to when there was some bizarre outrage at Monsta X for releasing an album completely in English. It also seems like it didn't take very long for people to go in on each other in the replies, LOL! You gotta love the banter in this community sometimes, all in good spirits team... don't let it get ugly or personal in here

[@adnirvs8147]

And the biggest victim for these accusations was BTS. When DNA released, entire kpop community accused them of being desperate for Western validation. There were like 1000 videos, tweets, discussions about it & when Dynamite released it was them "losing their Korean identity" (claimed by non-Koreans).

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

Agree

[@jerseygirl6221]

Yeah and I think people say that only because the US has the biggest music industry but that’s just it. Why wouldn’t you want to try to expand and reach the biggest music industry in the world? Why limit yourself to your own country or surrounding countries? The Beatles did it, the spice girls did it, pretty much all Latin pop stars made songs in English or used English words, so why is it such an issue in the kpop world?

[@ystrw]

@@jerseygirl6221 Oh, you know, trying to actually be successful is automatically 'selling out' to some people.

[@jerseygirl6221]

@@ystrw 🤣🤣 that reminded me of those ignorant underground rappers who dissed rm and suga for “going mainstream” I would’ve been like I’m sorry for wanting more out of my career than the same 9 people who show up to our little underground showcases lmao

[@maqjoy7307]

*"Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by fools."* - Nishan Panwar

[@kevl0rneswath]

My hot take: You don't need a lot of talent to be a successful idol. Every aspect of an idol can be enhanced using money.

[@shasha2567]

not exactly. it's through experience

[@jerseygirl6221]

My hot take that I’ve had for years: The majority of kpop groups would be better off without “rappers.” There are some incredible vocalists who are in groups that get potential lines taken away to make room for beyond mediocre rap. Red Velvet is a prime example. I don’t understand the obsession with slapping a chain and a snap back on somebody and have them spit some silly ass bars that taint a whole song. There are some truly talented rappers who have cool flows and actually write their own lyrics but let’s be for real. There are also a lot of kpop idols who should stick to singing and singing only🤷🏾‍♀️

[@adaeze95]

Honestly I blame YG 😂 I’m not dragging them this time but many companies seeing the success of GD and TOP then later CL started shoe horning rappers into groups. It was especially evident at least for me with SM whose artist were always more vocally trained but then were forced to rap often badly written cringey lines, my fav being Super Junior in one song going “Just shut your lips and close your tongue” 😂😂🤦🏼‍♀️

[@LovelyKissess]

I agree

[@jerseygirl6221]

@@adaeze95 For sure. SM is notorious for forcing rap and it’s crazy. Like how hard is it to just be content with all your beautiful vocalists and leave the rapping to people who can actually do it😭

[@heyvkj2412]

Ya i feel the same way. RV is literally my fav gg but i can’t stand Yeri’s rap most times, Irene’s is nice but only just because i like her voice lmao. NCT have GREAT rappers tho, chanyeol and Karina are quite the gems too. Lucky SM has amazing vocalists and great songs that their "rap" don’t stop me from listening to their music haha

[@parkpark6976]

and i think jennie and lisa are at the top Because they rap in bilingual, I listen to other groups rap in English, it's funny, they also have a Korean accent. It makes the words slurred and childish.

[@penelopepitstock]

Re BTS being overrated - I started into kpop via ASTRO about a year ago and I didn't take much notice of other groups because I don't have a lot of free time - in fact I ignored BTS because I ASSUMED they were over rated. But since I started looking into them a couple of weeks ago, I realise I've been missing out and the 'over rated' hype is wrong. I think they're great. Especially Suga - his vlogs and Agust D stuff are awesome. Suga and V particularly fascinate me, they are such interesting people and artists. I hope they keep going and take over the world, in fact I feel it's just a matter of time. Everyone around the world already knows their name, now the world just has to know their music.

[@badwolfgirl]

That overrated thing is so wrong but I think that's just because maybe they are so huge now that people just see them as another big group like from SM or something and not take the time to appreciate them as artists. I got into them when they were underrated back in 2014 so I can't understand anyone when they say they are overrated when they are far from that...they are literally so humble too. Love that you took the time to look into them more 😊 they really are amazing, not just as artists but as people too 💜

[@penelopepitstock]

@@badwolfgirl they really are, I love them. And it’s easy to understand why they’re the biggest group in the world.

[@damianBTSot7]

I'm pretty sure the world already has caught on. Welcome to the ARMY!💜

[@VMYeahVN]

Real hot take: Anyone who says (insert most popular artist here) is overrated are just contrarians looking for attention. It's the same whether it's people saying BTS are overrated, or the big one in the U.S. of people saying Beyonce is overrated or Michael Jackson was overrated. It's just a person wanting to try to be cool for having an opposing opinion to whatever the majority feels. "________ is overrated" is the most boring unoriginal take you can have.

[@KidTheFail]

Oh yeah, big agree. Like, i might not enjoy Blackpink, but that does not make them overrated or bad. It just makes their music not for me. Like, it's not hard to both not be into someone's music, and at the same time acknowledge that they're where they are cause they're talented.

[@fi0rella]

sadly that's clickbaiting and won't ever end. If by some miracle fans decided to end it, then you'd have media proposing polls and votes etc (like they often do) to get attention and clicks. Oldest trick in the book but fans keep (and will keep) falling for it

[@jerseygirl6221]

Yeah people have been like that forever. The Beatles got hate, Michael got hate, Mariah got hate, it happens to every superstar

[@janvdb9258]

Michael and Beyonce are not overrated. They were are pure talent. BTS and Blackpink are manufactured trash

[@AggressiveOtter]

My hot take is that most KPop female groups do very little actual dancing. Walking around while moving your arms around is not dancing.

[@pratibhachaudhary9016]

So true...Girl groups just move their arms in all directions and call that dancing. And they often get lazy only by doing this much. Any normal person with a sense of rhythm can easily do such choreography.

[@monimuppet6132]

But no one wants to have that conversation. They could do so much more. All that time and trauma in training just to have your hard acquired skills underutilized. The choreo may still be technically difficult but the common viewer doesn't care about technicalities, they care about being visually intrigued and entertained. Too many of these gg choreos are like cheer routines minus the acrobatics.

[@JoneOfBark]

Hot take: HYBE are greedy sharks. The amount of merch they release is unreal. Like why release Proof and then a couple weeks after, release Proof the “collectors edition” when fans have already spent their money on the previous edition?!?! Quantity over quality…..

[@WTeey]

Proof is quality. Give me a kpop album from non BTS that can top songs in Proof, Hybe is greedy true, but calling BTS album "quantity over quality" is just bs. Mind you, BTS have only 2 versions, guess who have 22, 10, 9,6 etc versions?? Don't speak on BTS.

[@booey921]

It's an anthology album. Most artists that release an anthology make a collectors edition, it's not an unusual thing!

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

you gave a bad example. yes hybe is indeed greedy and sucks and managing their groups. but proof literally only has 2 versions so i dont get where you got "quantity over quality" proof is a high quality album. the example you shouldve used is when they exploited those bts merch, jin's self-made pajamas costs $110.55 which is INSANE. it was insane to the point even jin himself when he saw the price and apparently he was unaware of it. and if im not mistaken he even tried to talk out the agency bc of it.

[@abiisaqib2928]

Proof is literally an anthology album incase you didn't know that...also hybe can release anything they want...its not like they grabbed y'll from collars to "buy"everything...if you want to you can and if you dont want to then dont!

[@JoneOfBark]

@@WTeey Relax, I am well aware of the fact that there are only two additions of proof (I OWN A COPY) however the difference in price is $205 comparing what you get from the standard edition to what you get in the collectors edition, it’s not worth it! True HYBE is not forcing anyone to buy it but the fact remains its still not worth it.

[@afiamahmood1313]

I agree with the hot take about minors, the Kpop industry is already brutal, and it's even worse towards minors. many idols like Taemin, Jungkook, Minzy, Boa, Sunmi, Sooyoung, IU have talked about either how they were too young or how much they regret debuting too young. Until the kpop industry can make itself safe for minors, they should focus on the safety and longevity of idols.

[@kirtisawant9288]

I agree completely with you. He said that longevity is only this much; and it will remain this much if we as viewers and the companies as employers do not do anything for it.

[@katesims8816]

Re. #9: I think there may be a cultural difference of opinion. To many in the west, a great video does not make a song better. If you aren't just as into the song in your car, then it's not going on your playlist. For example, some BTS' early low-budget mvs were just as much fun as some of their later high-budget ones. And some of the songs are better. Sometimes a great song and a great mv come together to make something iconic (e.g. Spring Day or BST). As much as I love BlackPink videos, I'm just not interested enough in most of their songs to play them outside of KZbin.

[@angeladonato5096]

9:13 I think it’s fine if minors are training to become an idol, but they shouldn’t be allowed to debut until 16 or 17 w/ how strenuous and toxic the field can be at times.

[@1oldcrow350]

agreed-it's about training just like any sport-but also need some very good advocates looking out for their interests so as not to be taken advantage of

[@cheriebianca4832]

@@1oldcrow350 exactly, companies should also invest in providing resources to therapist/councillors & mental health focused services. If you have happy, secure, stable minded trainees, you'll most likely have better outcomes for cohesive healthy group dynamics & dealing with the public's negative and/or positive perceptions.

[@shara5985]

I think they shouldn't be allowed to debut until they're the legal adult age. Whatever that is in SK.

[@winterlate9915]

Idk in Kpop, but as far as I know, rappers should be able to write their own songs

[@LorapereaTVD]

I love this new segment !!! keep doing it pls

[@AbeldeserveJustice69]

Imagine calling BTS overrated smh They didn’t got recognition right after their debut like most of the Big3 Artists. BTS got success after three freaking years. They release almost fifty to sixty songs then only they got recognition and that recognition makes them who they are today because of Album like Wings,Map of the soul, love yourself, Mots7, you never walk alone, these are One of the best Album in the kpop history with critical acclaimed. So people calling them overrated didn’t know their history and just judging by their English releases which was their lower spectrum in their discography

[@janvdb9258]

They CANNOT sing

[@mamawahg3736]

@Jan vdb. With all do respect. I believe you should elaborate on “they cannot sing”.To make that kind of assumption you would have to find a video where they practice on camera and there isn’t any music. Once you hear them sing, without the vocals or without the backing of any music, you yourself can make a sound opinion. If you do not like them. You are entitled to your taste. If their musical style or singing is not to your liking you are entitled to that. But to hold an opinion that they cannot sing with out any evidence, technique or an objective look is an indication that you may not know if someone can sing in a raw authentic way no music just a-cappella or acoustic. Within the vocal line only 1 actually had natural talent. All of them cultivated their vocals. Which means you can be taught and trained to sing when you are young or older. To learn to sing is to practice a muscle, the vocal cords along with pitch and tempo. The same goes for all of them not just the vocal line. Again, with all do respect if you are just saying “ they cannot sing” because you don’t like them. Just say I don’t like them and move on.

[@anjalirawat5177]

@@janvdb9258 wow you nailed it 🤣🤣 are you deaf?? Go and watch jungkook's if you performance in masked singer as an answer to some haters like you

[@aishwaryaahirrao]

@@janvdb9258 🤡

[@hopeworld0824]

Whatever people think about BTS being overrated or not doesn't matter now... They are the biggest group in the whole world right now and have already written history in music industry... 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@soboksobok9488]

yeah like idec atp, you think bts is overrated? well, that doesnt change one bit about how i and the rest of the world feels about bts. have a good day.

[@sarahr430]

I no longer follow kpop but to me overall bts is a solid group. Of course anywhere there’s always better more talented artist. But not many artist can achieve what bts has achieved so far. The fact that bts is quite humble (rarely bragged) about it deserved my respect

[@jerseygirl6221]

@@sarahr430 that’s the point. Now I’m a massive Michael Jackson fan as well as BTS, but Michael wasn’t really the greatest vocalist. His voice was beautiful especially as a little boy but there were people much less known than him who were better technically. But he didn’t need to be the best singer ever because he had everything else and more. The impact he had on people was enough, and that’s the case for BTS as well. People can think somebody is overrated and that somebody else should be bigger than them but that doesn’t matter if millions of other people love them, that’s just how it is.

[@kyungsoosings2362]

I agree...Bts time is now, so let's give the respect they deserve...they work hard and no constant streaming matters...they have their following and worldwide fandom...streaming is just ludicrous... can't you just support and enjoy what they do? Bts has made their mark on kpop, and I applaud them...I've discovered Kpop in 2006, so I know they aren't the first in kpop to be seen... let them have their glory... I have respect for Bts and Army...they are no different from other fandoms...love the music you love, enjoy all the talent kpop has to offer...I never view it as a competition...I love watching Bts concerts, the Lollapalooza definitely killed me, Hobi my love...you slayed me big time! But saying Bts is overrated...I see it that way sometimes.. but I don't connect it with a hateful tone..no one should. I may not follow them 100%, but they are not obsolete...they are there doing their thing whether I follow or not, and I am one that is not really up to date on their journey...too busy with all the other groups out there.

[@whatisilyionlyknowipurpleyou]

agreed!! BTS at the end of the day are earning their well deserved pay checks, and remaining humble. I couldn't respect anything more than that

[@beyondimagination832]

My personal opinion - K-Pop industry is good when it comes to Korean audience. For international viewers, it needs more maturity in terms of vocal capability & dancing. Majority of idols are average or below average. Since they debut as group they exist, but as solo they will definitely face problem. K-pop industry or Koreans in general are highly obsessed with visual. I have seen girls going crazy about BTS V. When asked why? They only talk about his visuals. But when asked how he sings or dances - they start discussion on it but again start talking about on his "good looking face". I can understand why BTS is so popular among girls. 😀 Since I passed that age of infatuation I always try to listen to their voice in Spotify. That gives me very good idea who is vocally strong or really talented.

[@mikanjjj6357]

I’m loving these videos from you Danny! Please do more parts like this.

[@Jneutron_0102]

I don’t think bts is overrated, many people just hate on bts cuz they are popular/successful, I’ve seen several Kpop stans hate on bts and their music on Twitter and they always end up being an ex-army. Also I have a unpopular opinion, the kpop industry doesn’t have many good rappers, many “rappers” in Kpop are praised and called good rappers just because they rap fast 💀 I don’t think many stans understand what a good rapper is, a good rapper doesn’t just have speed, a rapper has good lyrics/writes their own lyrics, can rap on any beat, has a good flow, etc.

[@jerseygirl6221]

Omg yes I made a similar comment about the rap. You’re right about BTS too, they are an anomaly and because so many people expected them to fail, they can’t handle the fact that they dominate the industry.

[@beany1944]

I disagree on good rappers. Suga, RM and J-Hope is considered great rappers with good flow by American rappers. You also can't shave every rapper in K-pop under the same comb either. There are amazing good rappers in K- pop. Most American rappers lyrics suck, all they can rap about is violence, sex, drugs, money and alcohol and Satanism. How is that great lyrics?

[@janvdb9258]

BTS and CANNOT sing

[@Jneutron_0102]

@@janvdb9258 What you said makes no sense

[@thatpersonyoudidntknowexis149]

"It depends on how old the person doing the Aegyo is. If they're past 30..." Jin who's almost at that age: **Sweats profusely**

[@WTeey]

Leave him alone, why y'all always act like he's 70 or he's one step to the grave?? Leave Jin alone.

[@thatpersonyoudidntknowexis149]

@@WTeey Chill tf out, lady. It's a joke. Lighten up.

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

tbf i think he does it for comedic purposes jin has a tendency to make a joke abt himself lol

[@thatpersonyoudidntknowexis149]

@@a.a.stanyoongles308 I know. He did say he does a lot of things to make others laugh. Which in turn, makes him laugh as well.

[@jhelisacarroll]

Juwon and her editing 😭 she’s killing me with those reactions she puts in lmao

[@Cj-un2uz]

Wait omg sorry but how did you know that it's Juwon who edited the video?

[@meriAnne3376]

Ikr, the part where tae showed up was hilarius.

[@meriAnne3376]

@@Cj-un2uz Juwon is the editor of dkdktv

[@jhelisacarroll]

@@Cj-un2uz she’s their editor!

[@athyobelia248]

Nowadays, kpop idols release songs that will surely trend in tiktok as "challenge". Kpop is music genre but as of now, fans are into the visuals of the idols not to their music and its also alarming how aggressive fans become (towards their idols and towards other fandoms)

[@niku.ot7885]

If BTS is overrated ,then we are proud of it ,bc they made this position by themselves not by some big rich company.. But in the ARMY's eyes BTS is not overrated bc only ARMY and BTS know the real struggle behind this success ,we called it " hardwork paid off" not "overrated". How much hardwork they put in their work ohh my god, they wrote their own song ,sometimes they choreograph ,they are involve in produce the song. Not every famous idol can do this,that's why they are on the top. It is overrated for other bc they don't know about BTS journey from starting ,they only know about present BTS ,they don't know where they were came from

[@itsmejadu]

They got team too. Thanks to them

[@WTeey]

Yes, unlike these kpop groups, BTS had no company privileges, the had no media and industry support, they were ignored and mistreated by this industry but haters don't wanna hear it. BTS got here because of their dedicated fandom which they built from nothing, their personal shows, Run BTS, Rookie king etc exist because they were cut from broadcasts and never got much opportunity to appear on tv, they were mistreated in shows. BTS made BTS, Army made BTS, and BTS made Army. They had no company stans waiting for their debut like the big 3 stans.

[@matthewlyn9224]

Sure, I guess they struggle more than Queen & Freddy Mercury that didn't have any training company at all🤷🏻‍♀️

[@niku.ot7885]

@@matthewlyn9224 idk who is he..but i support all , whoever is on the top without any privilege. .

[@niku.ot7885]

@@itsmejadu yes of cource ,we appreciate their staff too. But here it is not about staff ,it is about BTS..

[@stacie1595]

Agree with you on the point about minors debuting. It's the responsibility of the adults involved (PARENTS, managers, trainers, stylists, producers, and company executives) to keep minors safe so that they can pursue their dreams. That means enforced work/life/school balance, background checks and mandatory reporting for all adults involved, strick laws in regards to work hours (for trainees too) and mandatory time off. I also think parents and independent law councilors should be way more involved, especially concerning contracts and paid labor!

[@multistan9582]

This is my hot take... (Why are other fandoms always downgrading BTS success because their stan is not as or nowhere near as sucessful as BTS?). I mean its ok not to like or even stan them but one can praise their idol without the need to bring down another.

[@iufanboy5970]

obv badmouthing someone is always bad, but they (me too) don't consider them bad (i don't like them but they arent bad) but they see nothing more from BTS that other groups don't have, and i kinda agree with this reasoning. the massive success came from other aspects, not just their talent. i hope u understand this point of view

[@maddymaddyval]

Hmm… from my experience however, armys are always the one downgrading other fandoms. Which kinda make me hate armys (if you cant tell i am an army myself). On twitter its always trending those word or hashtags tht downgrades other kpop grps.. i dont join fandom wars but idk im just sad to see it.

[@multistan9582]

@@maddymaddyval don't you know this hidden rule in social media...Twitter has some of the most toxic people I have ever seen, including army's ofcourse, and many other fandoms as well... The blatant hatred for anything, and anyone is real there...

[@multistan9582]

@@iufanboy5970 yes... I also agree with your reasoning and respect your opinion. I am an Army first but I also enjoy quite a number of other groups from all gen...I could never downgrade their talent or hardwork because BTS stands out more or is more popular... Every group has their own spark and flaws including BTS... BTS is looked upon because they open kpop to be mainstream over the world, while also leading way for other groups internationally especially in the western music market.... Thats why some Army's are kinda extreme because they look at BTS as Gods of Kpop... Who opened the door for others, but other than thanking them or even acknowledged such fact, they deny and bash them causing more Army's to go into Defend BTS At All Cause Mode.... BTS got mainstream by extra hardwork, connecting with people from all different walk of life through their music, addressing life problems other groups were not doing at the time, Hybe exteme investment into building BTS brand, interms of marketing and attracting high end sponsers....and their mark in the western music scene....BTS is not stopping any other group from success .... Im sure if their company and fans step up support for them, they can maybe even pass BTS oneday...What I always say is no need to underrate BTS because there was alot of factors that made them this huge today.... They didn't sit down and get such recognition.

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

@@maddymaddyval you should see exoxluv channel where bunch of thousands of exols are hating on bts unnecessarily on KZbin

[@emptyteardrops]

Hot Take: not all Kpop songs need raps plus take #10 is what I agree with so hard 7:32

[@hanniyahakram6029]

Hot take : most idols r not what they seem on camera 2nd hot take : even if idols r rude people WILL defend them with anything they find , if they’re wrong some people will defend them as if they know them personally I think these r facts then hot takes

[@phoebelam5761]

Hot takes: I do think Blackpink is talented, but their group music and lyrics to me is lowkey shallow/chaotic (not a good chaotic) like too many things are happening. It could be that they're not my style, but I would like to see more variety of music as they are a talented group. It's like actors, a way you can tell someone is good at acting is if they can play a variety of roles well. Blackpink songs are one dimensional, but I know they have so much more potential. So, it lowkey makes me mad when they are overhyped for putting out one dimensional music. (I hope I don’t sound too harsh to the music producer) I don't think BTS is overrated, but I do think they are overhyped. Like some recent kdramas that are good, I think they are good, I'm just tired of hearing their names everywhere I turn. Like they aren't the only kpop groups. But as someone who has been listening to them since their debut, they have legit worked nonstop for 10 years, and that's only after their debut. I'm not even counting the years of training. I love the members work, both together and individually. So, I don't think they're overrated, just overhyped. I really do respect them as artists.

[@missingo265]

i would love lisa to have a full rap song. i dont want her to sing. its ok to sing like in chorus but i want her to rap in full and with bars in it. i rly like her flow. she has too much potential as a rapper. actually all of them have potential but theres something that holds them back

[@jeneccahera5577]

Not all BP music... Only KTL, HYLT, and PV... The rest are good in terms of lyrics... Tell me more that has a chaotic lyrics... Don't tell me ddddd coz that has a clear lyrics for haters.

[@missingo265]

@@jeneccahera5577 nahh i like the hylt lyrics. and in the pv i like the rapline. it has west coast sound.

[@jeneccahera5577]

@@missingo265 for me personally as I listened to their songs and reading the lyrics, I realized that most of their lyrics has a double edge meaning. The most hated songs are those songs had a double edge lyrics and blinks knows that it was for the haters. That songs that everyone like are their songs that are solemn with straight lyrics.

[@missingo265]

@@jeneccahera5577 yes agree.

[@michellemckinney4678]

100% agree with #7. I prefer quality over quantity.

[@henrynguyen6799]

Fans with Seungri 6:23 😂 🤢 still baffled on how the guy still has supporters smh

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

Ikr

[@celiannicolechavez9459]

Please make this a series!!

[@sonymishra7404]

This is a great video Danny. This concept works with you because you are quiet unbiased.

[@henrynguyen6799]

7:59 ngl tbh I rly liked SM’s style of the experiemental sound lately for their artists like NCT, and aespa, at first it was a bit cringe to me but after a few replays later I got used to it and now I dig it 😂

[@ijm1261]

I agree with this.

[@lab6651]

HOT TAKE: Too many people don't realize that the way songs get credited have changed from the past. Its pretty uncommon to find songs written by a single person like a lot of the late greats who are given credit for writing "all their own music." Most songs these days are written by at least 2 if not more people. It's perfectly normal, and doesn't lessen a kpop idols contribution to the music, if there are multiple people in the credits alongside the idols name on the song.

[@thepaceyturtle7182]

Saying BLACKPINK can’t rap is like saying 2NE1 has no stage presence.

[@taeblends]

8:21 SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME!!!! Honestly when their song "Life's Too Short" came out it became my favourite aespa song. Their title tracks are either repetitive, unoriginal, they don't showcase their vocal ability as well as they should, or literally just a mixture of all those.

[@adnirvs8147]

We have men fighting with e/o for their football players & team but when it comes to kpop, suddenly it's a "job" and people want to speak about parasocial relationship.

[@fi0rella]

at the risk of sounding like a basic raging feminist, it's simply because most kpop fans are females and most football fans are dudes. Nothing but predictable misogyny

[@beany1944]

Professional soccer, professional rugby, tennis, and volleyball etc all are jobs. Those who argue it's a sport yes it is but for professional sportsmen/women it's a job, their bread and butter, just like music is an artist bread and butter. Those people who think it's different from Professional music artists aka K-pop American Pop don't live in reality. They are all delulus.

[@mozznugo]

I just want the stickers and diary. Is it possible?

[@lennyanyn]

funny how the kpop community only started massively hating on bts and calling them overrated in 2017 when their popularity skyrocketed, guess it's just jealousy cuz they're insane dancers, the best rappers, mindblowing vocalists and arguiably have top5 best stage presence. Also a diverse discography, fascinating concepts and messages and are all very genuine people. If they weren't the biggest group the whole community would say omgg bts so underrated check them out :(( but once bts surpasses their faves... lmao

[@jerseygirl6221]

And maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but I don’t recall nearly as many comments like that toward 2ne1 or bigbang. It’s odd

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

Aka my ex fandom exols

[@soboksobok9488]

this is so true. like even with all the little narratives that kpop stans make nowadays to try to defame bts, when it comes to their talents, whats essentially at the core of bts' success, theres no way you can deny how insane of a group they are.

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

no bc this is so true. i remember kpop stans were saying that bts is so underrated during 2013-2015 bc they came from a nugu company but look at what theyre saying now

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

@@jerseygirl6221 because they werent able to get as big a bts lol if they were able to stay in the mainstream for a long time then they most likely wouldve be called overrated but they didnt their fame in the mainstream was temporary meanwhile bts stayed there

[@oagengmashele994]

I Thought I Was The Only one who was reminded of Red Velvet When I Listened to NEWJEANS....

[@em5522]

Maybe we need a different term for kpop rappers bc I agree with Danny abt there being a difference between ppl who write and perform their own raps versus ppl who perform raps that aren't their own (tho, they may be skillful at that). But to call both "rappers" is confusing and misleading bc they aren't the same thing and aren't meant to be judged the same way. It reminds me of the time GOT7's Jackson was saying how he raps but isn't a rapper and that confused the person he was trying to explain the concept to. Maybe we should use a term like "rap performers"? Bc just using "kpop rapper" is also weird bc there are kpop idols who are also rappers, who write and perform their raps under the kpop label.

[@xochiltg.s.4935]

Every song does not need a rap.

[@MsLaLa-nq6mi]

The Tae and Jennie one sounded like it came from a sasaeng. My Hot Take: kpop artists need to do more research when choosing styles and concepts. Borrowing from different cultures has brought controversy to some groups just because they liked an aesthetic. There is no excuse not to know these things especially since Korea boasts about having incredible internet.

[@loneeggtt]

I think its fine for young kids to start training early as long as there is a strict balance between training and normal life. They should finish high and have an associate degree in something, you have to have a net to catch you if you fall. Debut age should be 20, yes by law you are an adult at 18 but still a teenager, i think one should leave there teen years before debut. Also training for 2-7 does not always guarantee quality, some idols train for that long and still cant sing well. Adults are suppose to protect child idols but adults are the one's to hurt them the most and ensuring that the company earns money outways the well being of idols. Children are easier to manipulate and control. It is hard for parents to say no to their child who so desperately want to pursuit their dreams and most of these parents dont know jack shit about the entertainment industry which makes it easy for the company to manipulate them also. Which is why I recpect Samuel's mom so much for not letting him debut with seventeen at such a early age.

[@kevl0rneswath]

I don't get this obsession with forcing idols to have a backup plan when most people do not study for two careers in case one of them fails. Most people study for one career and switch only after that one career plan fails. Besides, the only good safety net are either rich parent or trust funds. I think people are going about this the wrong way anyway. It's not industry that needs to adapt to the education system but the education system that needs to adapt to the industry. We have sports schools and music schools so idol schools that is able to cater to their training/debuting while also providing the necessary education is way more effective.

[@michellemckinney4678]

I disagree 8:52. It’s unrealistic to have fan believe they’re in any kind of relationship with their idols. They’re doing this with thousands of other fans. They don’t know you from Adam. It’s this foolish thinking that (unfairly) makes idols unable to date freely without criticism.

[@MsLaLa-nq6mi]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@WTeey]

These companies need to stop selling fans fantasy, wtf they be doing video calls fan signs with idols for?? The thirst traps are even more cringe, a lot of fan service.

[@melodygarcia9707]

Yeah, debuting at a very young age is kinda cool. But It will be a job, not a playground. Work hard, practice hard for many hours and drain yourself hard, burn out till you stand out in the competition. Is there a child labor issue there? . Yeah, parents don't mind having a famous kid? Just look at what happened to Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, and others. Did they have a normal childhood ?. They kinda broke down mentally. What about child exploitation?

[@mimiandy1683]

Here’s my hot take: the K-Pop music industry is one of things, in which international-foreign consumers cannot control with their buying power. It is not like the music industry in the United States. In my opinion, as long as these labels and film studios have the Korean audience, they will be all right. I say this because one of the usual statements I hear/read (after a controversy) is from foreign fans, which is “We can boycott. They will change, if we stop giving these companies our money…” And I’m like “😏 Okay… 😏” Plus, there will be the scabs, the line crossers, who will stay buying merchandise. Cos for some K-Pop stans, the music culture is their drugs. They can’t say ‘no’.

[@ystrw]

Hmmm.. yes. For a I-boycott to be effective, the group has to have an extremely large international fanbase. Most groups don't. They're *beginning* to get large overseas fanbases, but the majority of their fans are domestic, because the industry specifically focuses on gaining a 'home crowd' before reaching out to the international audience. Probably for this very reason: as long as they keep their Korean fans happy, the rest don't have much to say about it. The only groups I'd say, so far, that have a big enough I-base to effectively boycott are BTS, Blackpink... and maybe Exo. The other 3rd and 4th-gen groups are mostly not there yet. And the scabs... yeah, a boycott would be a fantastic opportunity for them to get their hands on some merch. Stuff wouldn't be selling so fast, prices might have dropped, and the gold-diggers and scalpers would have wandered off to greener fields.

[@busubalang2361]

Finally someone who understand the situation 😔

[@monmixer69]

Define "international". Kpop is very much influenced by Asian audiences. International isn't just Western countries. China and Japan are a big deal too.

[@fisticuffs12]

also a lot of "international" boycots are from mainly americans. when we talk about i-fans we rarely talk about japan in the english-speaking internet even though they're often a larger part of the entire fandom

[@bungluna9211]

Sorry but no. Kpop expanded precisely because the home marked couldn't fully support the industry. That's why they go to Japan, China and SEA, and more recently the West. Whenever China boycotts, Kpop feels it. If Japan closed its doors, they would fell it too. So my hot take is that Kpop would whither as a significant industry it foreign markets were closed to it.

[@csong9940]

Agree that mass streaming is dumb when it's just hard core fans streaming over and over and over just to break records. The numbers become meaningless.

[@annebanga5832]

It's the way you got straight into the video.

[@mllewhimsy1161]

IDK if this is a hot take or not, but fans have to realize that what idols show on camera isn't necessarily them, they have a persona or an image to show so I cringe a bit when people say "oh but ___ is so nice" etc, like they know they're on camera and they know they have to be nice. You can't really say you 'know' an idol group based on what they project. Like can they really show this 'persona' so many hours in a day? Heck yes, it's their job. They know if they mess up it will be hell for them

[@robinbragg5585]

As for BTS being overated. People forget where they came from and how hard their lives were. Their music had a message that resonated with the youth and for foreign fans, it resonated with all age groups. I'm in my mid sixties and am a proud Army. They have done so much and yet stayed very humble. They have been treated terribly yet still because of the love and respect they have for Armys they continued even when things were so very hard. They have paid their dues and earned every bit of the love and support they get. I myself stream on only 1 device at a time and when I stream, my personal playlist contains a lot of different songs. The guys don't like being called the best in the world, even tho to me they are, because to them they just love music and are lucky enough to get paid for it. They try to remind themselves that they are not that great. As RM once said with each award that 50% belongs to Army and 35% belongs to BTS which as he put it that's only 5% each and the other 15% belongs to Bighit and Hybe. In that way of thinking it helps them to stay humble. Yes some of their topics especially in the early years were what Koreans considered controversial or taboo, but these are the things that really need addressed by society as a whole.

[@kpop-nc4oo]

Hot take : most of the companies prefer visuals over talent while looking for trainee

[@deepikagurav]

J-hope and V edit though 😂😂😂 kudos to the editor 🤣

[@yurimylife6984]

I really like this. Please do more often 👏🏾

[@ckbrowne9243]

The whole streaming thing to get certain artists to number 1, I don't think serves the artist. Let them hit number 1 organically. Let their place on the charts be earned. True love is far better than fake love. ( not talking about the song FL )

[@WTeey]

A lot of kpop stans just want their favs to be the next BTS, they are suddenly million sellers with 10 streams and still doing arena concerts.

[@saracruze2212]

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[@choochoo8412]

the cringe lyric issue is happening to so many groups in kpop, reasons its mentioned with blackpink is because their songs is widely heard. blackpink also the only few groups in kpop that can rap rap. rap isn't just talk fast. some groups should just remove the rapper position. training can start young, but should not debuting minor. the fame and pressure, dont know how it will affect if the adults do not guide properly.

[@lizethqp2258]

rapping also involves writing your lyrics so... they are not really rappers. They are just not singing, and kind of doing the kpop rap thing..

[@nowrinmostafa7583]

The first and foremost duty of a rapper is Writing their own lyrics. It shows how rapper is technically forming his rhythm. Blackpink fails in the first catagory. So I don’t use them as role model to bash other kpop rapper.

[@parkpark6976]

Do you know why there is a career as a composer?Do you think that they must Send the meaning of the lyrics to the listeners, easy?They didn't write the lyrics, but they actually delivered it to the audience.I think it's hard It's no different than writing lyrics.

[@parkpark6976]

And we're talking about rapping skills. If you write ram very well But the rapping skills suck. The music sucks

[@aspannas]

BP has some of the worst raps, what are you on about lmao. BP truly has some of the most cringy lyrics in the whole industry, not to mention the non-lyrics which are just sounds, I'm blaming YG for that. BP rappers are not real rappers, they're idol rappers, they don't write their own lyrics. A real female rapper in kpop would be someone like Moonbyul, who's also the most credited female idol in the whole industry now and has been writing all her raps since debut. BP rappers also lack rythm in their rapping and have one style of rapping, there's a lack of diversity.

[@dreampinkreel]

Here’s my hot take : Danny.

[@ChatiseE]

stahp

[@joseortanez8674]

Yeah nah BTS are not overrated. A-lot of recent fans seem to pay a lot of attention to their current releases like Butter, PTD, Dynamite and Bad Decisions. That’s like .05% of their whole discography which contains more than 200+ songs that are mostly in Korean and Japanese and that also includes their solo projects. The amount of time and effort these boys have put into their craft is unmatched and they’re the reason why a-lot of Kpop groups comeback 2-3 times a year. They have changed the game and have made the Kpop industry more competitive than it was 10 years ago. They have also played around with 8 or more kinds of genres (hip-hop, rnb, jazz, rock, pop, ballad, edm, reggae, classical, trap etc.) which shows their experimental side and majority of the time they have executed those new sounds very well. They’ve even introduced theories and intricate story telling in their comebacks that have more than one conclusion which leaves fans thinking and piecing out the puzzles BTS has left for us to solve. They’ve changed the game in so many ways and i just don’t agree with people that says that BTS are “overrated”. There’s not a-lot of groups that talk about social and economical problems that people go through on a day to say basis like BTS does. A-lot of artists sing or rap about love in a relationship or break ups while BTS are out here talking about acceptance in one’s self and showing us how self love can be achieved in our lives which is extremely rare for an artist to talk about. So yeah BTS’ are not overrated. They’re extremely popular and they deserve it but tbh they’re pretty underrated because I don’t think a-lot of netizens are aware of their past work before all the western collabs they’ve been doing. Ngl im pretty sick of the western collabs because i just want them to be going back to their roots and make music that they enjoy making again. The only collabs I would want for them to be doing with from the states are with J. Cole and hopefully one day an AGUST D and Eminem collab. That’s about it lol

[@vids26]

Hot take: Most of the females idols look too thin to be healthy.

[@WTeey]

Their obsession with "skinny" is concerning. I'm worried for their fans who are not skinny, they literally promote low self-esteem. Grown ass women weighing 45kg is just weird.

[@vids26]

@@WTeey sometimes even less than that

[@piusonos]

what did I miss? why does Danny calls himself Donald.. like the duck or the orange dude? age's showing smh loool

[@HopeeInk]

Hot takes: most kpop rapper ain’t real rapper, also most of them y’all hype up are sacredly bad at it . Yees they can theoretically rap, but they ain’t rappers. It’s sounds crazy at first if I say speaking over a beat ain’t rap, but that’s the fact. Because rapping requires you way more. If someone gave me a presentation about Microbiology and teach me how to present it, I would be able to do it and pick even certain things up, but it wouldn’t make me a Microbiologist myself. People would look at me crazy if I claimed that based on this one presentation. That’s exactly what I think about rapping.

[@HopeeInk]

Hip Hop heads get me

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

no bc i agree sm i can only name a few that actually knows how to rap in kpop. most of the time i rlly hate the rap parts in kpop song bc well objectively theyre not even that good and most of them sounds like theyre just forced to be in the song. this is one of the reasons why i rlly liked gfriend since they didnt have raps in their songs. i love rap dont get me wrong but sometimes in kpop its just naahh.

[@velmalegaspi1741]

BTS is not Overrated they are rating and over the top and no group can match them. They not just one Genre of music group. They have great singer and amazing Rappers. . 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@moonamigi]

I'll never forget how we easily looked past "look up in the sky its a bird its a plannneee" for blackpinks lyrics..

[@alfa3585]

The meaning of that lyric is that they can flyng high and freely they can see their hater under them...their lyric isn't cringe but just you can"t understand it

[@moonamigi]

@@alfa3585 no I completely understand it. Using a better metaphor than a phrase that's often used for comedy is what makes it cringe for me.

[@alfa3585]

@@moonamigi that's for you but not for many other people

[@moonamigi]

@@alfa3585 exactly. You don't have to agree, I'm just saying how I feel. It's no big deal lol

[@kbwitter1065]

I think you answered that last question very diplomatically. Good job! Also, I agree with you about Idols training young. It's so important with the level of Skill they are expected to have. I just wish there was a way to do check-in to see if they still wanted to do it and to show them what their options are... but yeah, that's super unrealistic in a capitalistic society... so here we are! >.

[@sadakopilled]

"bp can't rap" neither the rest of the kpop industry babes n it is ok to admit. none of them know how to immitate the real og rap from the west and kpop stans always thinks "rap fasts=best rapper" wo even paying attention to the flow 💀💀

[@OblivionZXZ]

My Hot Takes :- K-pop idols are told or paid by agencies to attend the concerts of other groups and talk about other groups' members or songs on live stream. Most idols don't like their own songs and won't put them on their Playlist.

[@adnirvs8147]

Jennie is better than Lisa imo but even then, I don't think they are the best rappers in kpop. They are decent enough, esp compared to other GG rappers. But the lyrics...i understand you shouldn't think much when it comes to BP's music & lyrics but their rap lyrics are just bad. It's made to be catchy & 'easy to remember' lyrics & i know the writers were going for that only, but still it's cringe.

[@MikedieONE]

bring an example. most of their english lyrics are actually pretty clever. just most non native english speakers dont understand the double meanings behind that. if you watch actual US rappers(like crypt and knoxx hill) reacting to BP you can see how much they are praised for it. And when it comes to cadence and delivery, flow.. there arent much that can keep up with jennie and lisa in kpop.

[@pearlcnrd]

@@MikedieONE clever does not mean it's good, their korean raps are far more coherent and cohesive. They mix well with the song and they are not odd compared to the english ones, obviously they are more comfortable in korean so the raps are more articulate. You can finna catch me?

[@basilebergerhoff5255]

Hot take : in overall, 4th gen groups are not great. Only Itzy stands out for me but the rest don't even compare with BTS, Twice, EXO, Red Velvet, Blackpink...

[@WTeey]

Kpop has a lot of "rappers" who are NOT rappers. It's cringey at this point, not every group needs rappers. Kpop is also generic, same noise sound, super hype beat, dark outfits, cringey "rappers". I don't include BTS, BTS rapline have rappers, they have hip hop roots, they were groomed by true legends, they write their raps, they tell their stories in lyrics, they have skills, they know the hip hop culture and it's history, they pay homage and they Respect the culture. Those are NOT "idol rappers" but real Rappers. A lot of kpop "rappers" just get handed music sheets by their companies and just "rap?". Y'all in the comments, I will not tolerate BTS slander because no kpop group is even close to their musicality and talent. You are allowed to dislike their music because it's not your taste, but idk how because they have all the genres in their discography.

[@saracruze2212]

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[@azinD]

9:32 , this is actually really sad, I do get that they can’t perform the way they do now when they’re older, considering their hard choreography, but it’s like being young is an advantage in the industry, and as you get older after certain age, no matter how good you are, you’ll get less and less attention.

[@Shelly_army410]

I have been a kpop fan for over a decade now .. so i have a lot of hot takes-: (No offence) No. 1 2nd Gen was dominated by Groups with strong Vocal lines (n few rap contributed group by YG) 3rd Gen was dominated by groups with awesome rap line 4th Gen is dominated by groups with amazing dance lines No.2 - The lip Sync has increased in these years and the same performance is every music shows feel repetitive No.3 - Talented members are overshadowed by visuals of FOTGs No.4 - one 4th Gen GG is lucky to have a good composer and production team. This group feels like "2 main members & Friends: ... i love their music though

[@Shelly_army410]

@Pooh_🤍🖤 no not at all talking about idle.. I love them n they are very talented… I m talking about different group At least check before accusing me..

[@MGZetta]

People saying mass streaming and kpop culture in fandoms burying new groups but all of them talking about new girl groups. No one is talking about the real victims. Lol. Are those boy groups that bad or it's just different?

[@kaylagarner5294]

That green screen thoooo SHEESH😂🥰

[@joonahbonsai9833]

BTS is not overrated, they're over hated

[@klaudia8078]

tbh the tae and jennie pics could be real but i've also seen ppl debunking them online by showing the original pictures for some of them. also both army and blinks can be slightly unhinged so spending hours photoshopping shipping photos isn't really out of the realm of possibility 💀💀 fr though fake or not i think ppl really just need to move on and stop sending either sides (mostly jennie) hate 😬

[@luxhairaffairriches2373]

I've already ordered my BTS book!!Yassss💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@dzer3]

Itch I'm a star no Patrick is a bar. It's a double entendre..

[@jeneccahera5577]

Yup, especially haters don't understand bp lyrics. Most of their lyrics has a double edge lyrics. For haters it was like shallow, but for blinks it was already a slap to haters.

[@roodietoodieshow6771]

I think BTS even knew they were overrated by the quality of recent music they were making. They weren’t even happy with themselves 🤭 RM & Jhope even said they needed a hiatus to figure out who BTS is as a whole. They strayed away from their roots. My HOT TAKE is that DKDKTV is sponsored by HYBE…. I said what I said

[@LovelyKissess]

It's sad that they had to lose themselves to get where they are today

[@jujustu3361]

BTS DESERVES EVERYTHING COMING THEIR WAY. THEY ARE OVERRATED for NEW STANS 😭

[@kaitlynbristle5685]

Bts is the only group in kpop I can legit vouch for to an outsider. Every other group don't have the grounds to interest people beyond looks. So it only works with most kpop fans .

[@heywhatsapp5331]

I would say BLACKPINK rappers have a generally good flow in English and korean. And they can't rap like American rappers in English (Which most not all simply speak about sex, Killing and money anyway) because of thier image. They don't write thier own lyrics which is a huge L for any rapper. But other than that when they rap in Korean I would say they are top five among girl group and people just love to hate on them.

[@MikedieONE]

top5 among gg? there isnt a single GG that have the cadance and delivery as jennie and lisa. maybe in boygroups.. but which female rapper in a gg can rap like them? even in korea as a whole not just gg? i only can think of jessi and CL. And they wrote their own rap lyrics already (So hot remix rap was written by them, Jennie wrote the entire long new rap verse for the Solo remix at the show, They wrote an entire new rap verse for the sure thing cover, lisa wrote the extra rap lyrics for say so at the show and so on.) of course they arent out there to get street credibility from US rappers lol. but even Real rappers like Crypt and Knoxx hill saw their talent and named them the best rappers in kpop.

[@heywhatsapp5331]

@@MikedieONE I agree with everything you said here. The reason I said top five is because of the girl form G-idle who i would rank above Jennie and Lisa, and to leave room for anyone I might be unaware of. I understand that their lyrics have to be the way they are to be family friendly. I was just pointing out the fact that a lot of "real rapper" aren't don't have much better lyrics but get a pass because of the vulgar content they talk about.

[@Heyguhh]

2:06 THIS!! 4:06 im not a fan of BP, but their rapping is decent🤷🏾‍♀️ though i wished they wrote them 9:30 i agree, BUT their childhood shouldn’t be gave up to train. Some probably dont have friends bc theyre training and have no time to play. This one reason why anxiety is so bad (among other things) 10:35 these be the same people that have only listened to their English songs, or their more poppy Korean songs🤦🏾‍♀️ Get into their older music which is more hiphop and RnB😊

[@jeneccahera5577]

BP can write lyrics. That's not even questionable especially to blinks. They even write their rap lyrics in so hot and sure thing. That made them the cover owning it. Just sharing that they can write lyrics.

[@tsk_tsk]

I guess that's what makes kpop music industry different from western or other music industry, the way they focus more on visual aspect , the dance and so on. Nowadays i'm hardly listening to kpop songs because most of them focus more on visuals than actual music production. But i even realized that i should just stop hating on kpop because maybe that's how it works , that's their unique selling point. Also the companies know what they are putting out. They are running a business in the end so they know what is needed for their target audience.

[@kevl0rneswath]

I feel like when people say kpop they really meant the title track for idol releases where most of the money is spent on the MV and performance stages. Kpop has many non-idol music that don't revolve around visuals and even idols have b-sides that don't revolve around visuals but all kpop music that don't revolve around visuals get a lot less attention. Companies will focus on what makes them the most money but it's not like that's the only thing that they are doing.

[@tsk_tsk]

@@kevl0rneswath yup . True

[@IsKraOrange]

My hot take , because of the massive purchases of album and free promotion ,Kpop companies encourage and enable sasaeng behavior