Reaction To German Satire on Islam (Hagen Rather)

[@irasan77]

You can have any religion you want, just leave other people alone with it. That goes for every religion, esp. the abrahamic ones.

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

abrahamitisch (abraham-itisch)

[@NoGo1581]

Bruder Abraham,die Schlünpfe?

[@usbxg3474]

Sorry Sir, but with ths comment you put the Jews and the islamic religon into the same boat where they definitely do not belong!

[@blackforestghost1]

@@Michael_from_EU_Germany abraham-istisch!

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

@@blackforestghost1 de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamitische_Religionen

[@lewashby8662]

I've been to a show of Hagen Rether once. He talked for over 3 hours and he really is a brillantly-funny observer

[@matthias.t]

Always 3 hours!

[@67angie]

I've seen him live, too. About 12 years ago

[@shapemodulator]

And he said "it will be boring tonight, fell free to go if you want". after 2 hours I saw in peoples faces that it was very boring for them, but no one went away 🤣🤣

[@AliasSchmalias]

Same, his "Love" tour in cologne around 8 years ago.

[@christophkagermeier6417]

Was war da jetzt lustig??

[@MrSchatten11]

Ich hab Hagen 2x Live gesehen & man ist hin und her gerissen zwischen lachen & vor Empörung schreien Spalten anstatt vereinen... Wir brauchen viel mehr von denen, die vereinen! Schreier & Spalter haben wir mehr als genug Das geht schon tief & spricht jeden einzelnen an Gute Reaktion, danke :)

[@christophkagermeier6417]

Das gerade war nicht lustig.

[@dunngyllite7883]

astonishing and unusual: the english subtitles are pretty accurate in transporting the meaning of what was said. Not like the usual subtitles that make you go "Huhh?" (german here)

[@gibmichdiekirsche420]

Aged very well. The show is from New Years Eve 2007 but sounds like it was recorded just a couple of days ago.

[@Kadarin187]

I think he is spot on, when it comes to a lot of things but I especially love the insisitence on dialogue and "cosy multiculturalism" because there really is no other good alternative and again and again we get to see the worse alternatives all around the world.

[@r.h.7486]

Hagen Rether..Der Kabarettist meines Herzens..Bei ihm bleibt mir das Lachen im Hals stecken..

[@andreaswinkel1297]

For the timeline: the Spiegel cover with "Papst contra Mohammed" was from 17.09.2006. Hagen Rether mentioned this was a cover from one year ago. Hence, his performance was from September 2007. To be correct it was from the gala show "Scheibenwischer" from 29.12.2007.

[@Aachener89]

Ok

[@crash_hunter8659]

The damage is done. The forces that tried to get a peacfull way with the cultures, with religion lost vs the hate on all fronts. It will escalate and the way to peace will be longer than ever.

[@derhexxenmeister3299]

Wow... Leider ist es seit damals nicht besser geworden. Spalten statt versöhnen. Das hat in Deutschland jetzt eine Partei übernommen.

[@johgu92]

This aged like wine sadly, it only got worse since then. :(

[@markus_uhm1693]

Kind of prophetic.

[@JustdifferentKr]

Early 2007, I guess. He quoted the motto "The world as guest with friends" of the 2006 soccer world championship in Germany with "last year".

[@andreaswinkel1297]

Cudgel might be a mistranslation of the automatic translation. Literally, he said "Prügelkurs" wich means something like "brawl line approach" in contrast to the "soft line approach / Kuschelkurs".

[@alicemilne1444]

This is not an automatic translation. As a professional translator myself I think the cosy/cudgel image gets the message across far better than anything else would have here. In English we have the expressions "cosy up to" and "take a cudgel to".

[@torstenkersten8566]

Hagen Rether is living proof that even atheist intellectuals have a desire for a sunday morning sermon. His morality club strikes in any setting ... (grin, duck & run)

[@gagaxueguzheng]

Good talk with many good points that are still valid today (maybe even more than back then). But while I understand that satire has to be exaggerated, I disagree with two examples of him: 1. Considering shooting down airplanes with muslim extremists was done in the aftermath of 911. Knowing that a plane will be used to kill people and that the passengers would die anyway was the assumption. Bombing a city with Nazis inside is something completely different. No one discussed bombing mosques just because there were extremists inside. 2. I would consider honor killings to be worse than what's described as family drama (if one wants to put both horrible things on a scale and compare them). Honor killing is in any case selfish and because of one's ego. Family drama can also be someone so deep in depression and helplessness that he/she sees no way or future for the family to have a good life. Of course that's also bad because many times, the family isn't asked and could most probably go on with life even better without the person taking their lifes but it somehow feels worse to me to kill because of a hurt ego.

[@petracastro6021]

There is a difference between Islam and islamic fundamentalism. I don't want fundamentalism in my country - also not Christian fundamentalism as it is quite normal in the US.

[@cervantesbaptist614]

This!

[@arnodobler1096]

the same for all religions and ideologies.

[@hurtigheinz3790]

@@arnodobler1096 Yes. Religion should be a private matter only.

[@eisikater1584]

@@hurtigheinz3790 Agreed. And let's start by making church bells illegal. At least ringing them.

[@hurtigheinz3790]

@@eisikater1584 Well, that's the problem. I'm not a Christian when talking about religion. But I'm a Christian when it comes to culture. And old churches with big bells are not just religious imo. It's already a culture, that I would defend.

[@hrdlbrmpf2]

I love your Scottish accent!😊

[@kevinkuypers9445]

I enjoy these a lot, keep em coming! On a different note: not sure if you've ever talked about this, but is it correct that you're a scottish guy living in Malaysia? How'd that happen? :D

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

Yes, he is.

[@nitefact]

Didn't age well since this 2007 show.

[@maTzeprei]

Hey Mert. It would be great if you showed us english speaking satire or comedians you like. =)

[@Saob1977]

Well, i think the most important thought is that "we" aren`t any better. It makes you feel comfortable (bad spelling, i know) to think that you belong to the good guys. But... it`s all a question of your point of view.

[@Der_Dolmetscher]

Given what has become of Europe in the last twenty years, one can conclude that he didn’t see it coming. I don’t blame him. Back in 2007 we lived in another world.

[@DrmeddenrasenI]

I love Hagen Rether.

[@AliasSchmalias]

Little correction for the title and description, it's "Rether" not Rather 😇🙏

[@ileana8360]

Witnessing the rise of the far right in Europe makes me hope, that I am to old to live to see the result.

[@spittylama]

What are you hoping for?

[@therealBiba]

​@spitttylama that he will be unalive by the time these shitheads get anywhere

[@enigmas_karnivore28]

​@@spittylamaich glaube er meint Hass-jagten oder so.

[@simonbolivar2032]

Hello, i would like to know who the are british equivalent comediens or shows?

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

For the past: David Allen (irish-english) Today: Ricky Gervais

[@alicemilne1444]

​@@Michael_from_EU_Germany Neither of them ever did political satire.

[@ehaaron]

terrorism has no religion😂

[@gundleyG]

But each religion has got its terrorists.

[@rosshart9514]

Terrorism is built on religion.

[@aminboebers]

Although I really appreciate his cabaret, I find his rhetoric very one-sided. He would reach the minds he is trying to reach better if he gave more space to the difficult nature of the Abrahamic religions and the existing differences between the cultures. It is shocking how vehemently many people in their comments reject Mr. Rether's statements in their entirety without differentiating or nuancing them. Which only confirms many of his statements. Religion is a relic of a stage of social development that has long since been completed and to which we continue to cling like a drowning man to a sinker. Nevertheless, people who want to practise their religion should be allowed to do so as long as they do not harm other people.

[@Floxxoror]

A daughter is also another person. And there are so many forced to wear hijab and more. That is also a problem.

[@rosshart9514]

2024. Still no the least reason to criticize Islam and its interpretators. Ignore splitters like Hamed Abdel-Samad, Necla Kelek or Ahmad Mansour. Love the fairness of all these good satirists. It feels so well to be prior to the uneducated masses.

[@nelerhabarber5602]

They are NOT splitters, they tell FACTS and the TRUTH, thats why they live under police protection in a western country. Sorry, but the uneducated blue eyed guy are YOU!!!

[@Aachener89]

The names have changed, the fear, paranoia and islamophobia didn't

[@psilovecybin5940]

How is it phobia? I despise pedos, but I'm not afraid of them, they should be afraid of me! Nobody is scared of homosexuals but they still call it homophobia if you don't want drag queens exposing themselves in front of kindergarten kids... if you don't wanna face fact based discussions just call your opponent an x-phobe and you have the moral highground. (Not!) Muslims can't agree on how to interpret their fairy tales. sunnite and shiite conflicts tells everything we need to know. vague interpretations just don't allow to tell a "religious truth" when there isn't any truth in religion..

[@rosshart9514]

Critizising Islam is not islamophobia. With this misleading framing you want to silence criticism on Islam and islamistic bs. People need to contradict this appeasing sugarcoating.

[@Crazycat-v2r]

das ding ist schlecht gealtert

[@Kasuta_Ikite]

Just look at this comment section. This video is just as real today as it was back then. You guys make me sick, blaming your shit on a whole religion

[@cervantesbaptist614]

Propaganda worked

[@johgu92]

For real all this hate makes me afraid, I don't want to relive a fourth Reich, but we sadly continue into that direction since years.

[@cervantesbaptist614]

@@johgu92 sadly yes

[@pyrointeam]

You wrote his name wrong.

[@klausherbert3040]

Aged badly considering what we're facing today. Yes, blame it on the religion, it's totally fine especially in the case of islam. But don't blame it on all believers.

[@TheGrouch91]

Do you blame Christianity too? Genuine question.

[@waldhuette]

@@TheGrouch91 Yes we do. Have you missed the yearly reports of record numbers leaving the church due to pedophilia and abuse cases ?

[@klausherbert3040]

@@TheGrouch91 considering what they once did, yes. Today, no.

[@arnodobler1096]

@@klausherbert3040 Evangelicals in the Bible Belt are no better.

[@TheGrouch91]

@@klausherbert3040 I see. I guess things like the KKK are perfectly fine then. The only reason Christians have become less violent is because they have become less Christian. Christianity and Islam share the same roots. They're both Abrahamic religions. You can find just as much violent nonsense in the Bible as you can find in the Quran. It's not the type of religion that drives people to do violent acts. It's much more complicated than that.

[@avengerofthedisenfranchised]

Today's satire, available at KZbin reaction in 2035?

[@photoreactiveart4007]

As a German, I sadly have to say, this show did not age well... We Gemans have been very tolerant to everyone who came here. Unfortunately, we now have the radical Islam on the streets in Hamburg and elsewhere, publically promoting the Kalifat. Nowadays we have a big problem with Islamists. And even if we can make a difference between Islam and Islamistic Fanatics, the fanatics don't make any determination. We are all non-believers, that have to be extinct. The Islamists don't care about anyone, except Islamists. I personally don't want a Kalifat or the Sharia ruling over here in Germany. But If we don't stop it right now, we will lose the culture-war against radical Islam. To be honest, that is also true for the UK and the entire West.

[@dagmarvandoren9364]

Dann raus. Unser land.....ein christliches land.....BASTA. zu klein, um noch mit mohanedanern...um platz zu kampfen....was soll das...

[@thomasschraubt7497]

I can see why you think of yourself as tolerant. But try this: Go out on the street and declare Germany a Einwanderungsland. Try it today. Try it 10 years ago. People will scream at you as if you lost your mind. Germany was never tolerant in rural areas. Never tolerant unless you came to work for low wages doing jobs nobody wanted to do anyway. Nobody wanted to rent their flat to Africans 10 or 20 years ago. Clearly it would be stupid to rent to a drug dealer right? There is a reason why immigrants with higher education do not pick Germany as their number 1 destination. Think about it. In the US or Canada you live there for a short period of time, you get citizenship far easier, you can put the flag on your house and it is frowned upon to step up and tell you "wait a minute, you are no real American, you are *enter ethnic background here*" In Germany it is completely normal to meet the third generation of immigrants and congratulate them to their german language skills. They are born here but always reminded how we see them as not part of us.

[@spittylama]

How can you say that Germany has been very tolerant? It took ages for a faschist party, the NPD, to be prohibited. The NSU murders are an absolute shame of the justice system and the executive branch. And don’t get me started on systemic discrimination in the country. I think Germany has done the bare minimum to integrate the people into the workforce as long as they were willed to be exploited (along everyone else in the low wages sector). The protest calling for a Kalifat were around 1300 people. To be clear the protests of Friday for Future were 10 times that and for multiple years on a regular basis in multiple cities across the country and we still are plagued by widespread climate change deniers and the passivity of our politicians. The fear of migrants simply is that more effective in the narrative. Were we as a society have failed is to integrate migrants into a German identity. This need of belonging is being exploited by demagogues and fundamentalists

[@karlhaensel]

"The culture war against radical Islam"? Wow. Hagen's words are still true. There is a lot more extremism in Germany besides islamic fundamentalism, especially from the far right (Reichsbürger etc.). With all the hatred - whether subliminal or open - that has been shown against Islam (like shown by Hagen Rether), we have made it particularly difficult for the liberal forces within Islam to win people over to their side and thus to our side, the side of our constitution. We should not make this mistake again. Extremists against our constitution must be fought, no matter which direction they come from. However, placing a religion under general suspicion for this only helps the wrong people! Like all extremists, the islamic fundamentalists rely on hate to get followers. Don't give them that power! Just let the rule of law be tough on them!

[@RabenmundK]

Well, since we also have rightwingers who want to get rid of Homosexuals, Trans people and foreigners with the argument that we are "a christian country", it is in my opinion insincere to claim that it is just a problem with Islam. The Gastarbeiter from Turkye didnt go to the streets to demand Sharia law or a Kalifat also, so that argument about "the Muslims" falls flat.

[@glumpfi]

Are there even any non-Germans watching this? :D

[@enigmas_karnivore28]

Ich glaube nicht hehe

[@Smurez]

Aged like milk. I didn't like his last video, neither did I this one..

[@enigmas_karnivore28]

Ne. Ich finde es passend.

[@derbeobachter_246]

There is no change since ever. Open your eyes and see history. I had a great history teachter. he always teached us: "Ask yourself: Who benefits from this? ". The evil started when the local area, the local food, the local leisure wasnt enough any more. KZbin, Travelling, Instagram, etc. Nothing made the world better. World wars, bomb, great wars, etc....for ressources. I didnt say everything in so called globalisation is bad. I live my pipe with the tobacco. I didnt mean the 1-2 locals who travelled for trade and exchange ressources like seeds, etc. I mean the increasing people which think and desire too conquer and empower the world and lile to get everything. Peace means to be curious, to willing to learn, to be open-minded, but to keep the local are and accept borders. Any war, any great conflict, any poverty, ask yourself: who benefits from this? You get always the same answer. Dont be silly and follow idiots.

[@shinflagg]

As much as I liked him back then, with this he was awfully wrong on so many things.

[@wolfgangpokorski4483]

I don't see that. On the contrary, a brilliant analysis of the evolvement of German anti-islamism in the 5-6 years following 9/11. The results of this and similar developments show in 16% Germans electing a racist party, show in this racist party being strongest party in 5 Bundesländer in the EP elections this month.

[@der_greis_ist_heissl2816]

And nearly 20yrs later we know he was talking pure stupidity. That stuff comes always from people, which are living in their rich areas far away from reality and areas with huge massive problems. Maybe he should live a month arround Franfurt/Main trainstation. And at that time it was already a critical place. Same with Berlin-Neukölln and so on.

[@johgu92]

Shut up, you're exactly the kind of person he is talking about.

[@thomasschraubt7497]

Have you seen where AfD had their biggest wins? In rural areas. East Germany. Areas with the least immigrants by far. So take a look at areas with a lot of immigrants, the cities. Strangely AfD is really weak there. It is really odd how rural areas vote for AfD because of things they have never seen or experienced. And of course there are major problems, but AfD blows them out of proportion, making things worse and of course they have no solution to anything.

[@spittylama]

Seems kind of obvious that this is a complicated topic with an equally complicated answer.

[@lynnm6413]

This doesn’t hit home AT ALL anymore! We have a situation in Germany right now with massive rise in criminal knife attacks that can be attributed to muslim asylum seekers, we have a general rise of criminal attacks, 1,9% by Germans, 14,7% by migrants….sexual group grapes have risen extremely high, much more than three times in just one year, let alone compared to numbers before 2015. As a former green voter and NOT an AfD voter, I am completely in agreement with all the headlines Hagen tried to drag into the dirt….it’s all come true now! Just as in the UK, where hundreds of thousand pro H@m@s demonstrators put fear into the hearts of Jewish citizens, or in France, where due to Islamic immigrants from former colonies the Jewish population has diminished noticeably…. Islamophobia was a word that has been introduced by Iranian intelligence, and it has worked very well for decades…no more…..!! We want to feel safe in parks, walking back home in the city after partying…that’s nearly impossible due to the massive danger the uncontrolled immigration by males from Islamic countries has done to not only Germany. No, thank you

[@germaniatv1870]

Germanophobia is a real phobia, registered. Check out its symptoms: Propaganda/Indoctrination/Education.

[@germaniatv1870]

Thus: There is Anglophobe and Anglophil. Then, we look at Hillig in Chemnitz and Maria from Freiburg. Both cases have not been committed by "Muslims". In Chemnitz it was Kurds with a Kurdish Flag whith a red star on it. In Freiburg it was a Godless Afghanistanian.

[@TheGrouch91]

May I ask where you get those numbers from? All I can find is a general rise in violent crimes which has a multitude of reasons.

[@ehaaron]

💯

[@ehaaron]

these indoctrinators won't stop. classical left woke agenda. people were too naive back then.

[@MrMissingReel]

Didn't aged very well...

[@MrMillhouse72]

That’s what I thought too 👍🏼

[@19ghost73]

As much as I like Hagen Rether, his style and his different-to-many approach to complex topics...this piece of him aged as bad as milk.

[@therealsixflags]

Not a well aged Performance.

[@johgu92]

A very well aged performance

[@cervantesbaptist614]

Well aged

[@real_Schrooten]

1st

[@tovarishlumberjack2356]

Zweiter!

[@ralph7431]

Der Mann ist nichts besonderes

[@kaijones9168]

Sagst du dir das jeden Morgen vor dem Spiegel?

[@Bl4ckL0ck]

I think it's time to move on to some videos that a relevant not only for Germans that are 50 years old.

[@alicemilne1444]

Closing your eyes to history means you never learn.

[@Triplebrc]

This has aged poorly, I doubt even someone like Hagen Rether would have the nerve to defend this stance nowadays with how things are currently looking.

[@TheGrouch91]

How are they looking?

[@ehaaron]

ikr? what a clown. classic attempt at brainwashing naive do gooders, indoctrination through entertainment. look at the condescending way he talks. the woke left at it again.

[@animalchin5082]

Nothing has changed and this is still spot on. The media is still blowing up single events to stoke fear of an entire religion. Wehe uns wenn die Moscheen brennen und es wieder niemand war.

[@klausherbert3040]

Bad​@@TheGrouch91

[@animalchin5082]

This has aged well, the media still does the same thing to stoke fear of an entire religion. You are just swept up in the fear