Reaction To Texas School Shooter - Solution to Prevent Future School Shootings

Patrick Bet-David Podcast Episode 158. In this short clip, Catalina Lauf discusses whether or not gun control is the answer for preventing school shootings.
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[@JasonCWaite]

80 law enforcement officers. Refusing to go in for 43 minutes as they and the families outside could hear children and teachers being shot. THATS the real story. THEN when they "went in", it took 48 minutes to get to the shooter. Pathetic. THATS the real story.

[@stevo4535]

Yes

[@kuyshina]

Don’t forget that some of the officers went in to save their own children in the elementary school before the shooter continued his rampage

[@heladar]

The real story ist, that these things don't happen anywhere else in the world as frequently as in the US. Your problem is a societal problem, the biggest problem being a hardcore pro gun lobby and a mindset regarding guns which is completely outdated. Not some cop overwhelmed with the situation when it already happened or not enough armed guards.

[@tonym6193]

Pat wont talk about that. he wouldn’t want to offend his audience by questioning the integrity of their worshipped cops

[@ReyFierro]

Its easy to have a high expectation about a role when it isn’t you playing it.

[@mikem.1233]

the cops stood outside with assault rifles and bulletproof vest 10 of them, for 1 hour. while keeping parents from helping. its outragious. cops stood out there for an hour.

[@KathyLongSEO]

and that just goes to show that professionals who have been trained couldn't stop the killing. Giving teachers guns may help a little. Having a security guard may help a little. Restricting access to guns may help a little. Banning AR15s can help too and until everything else is working may help the most.

[@scottmac8551]

@@KathyLongSEO good luck collecting all of those AR-15s, Karen! We’ll send you in first to confiscate them! Don’t worry, the cops from Uvalde will be right behind you for backup…so long as there isn’t a delay at the local Krispy Cream

[@pompeythegreat297]

And you rely on them for safety?

[@TheMattj88]

@@KathyLongSEO They could have stopped it if they’d actually tried.

[@bigboypantsgolf]

Active shooter training requires that officers immediately go in and stop the threat. Not hang out in the hallway for an hour.

[@naokisonoda-hq]

Carolina’s argument is problematic in so many ways. Faulty Claim 1: We focus too much on the guns, and not the person. We don’t blame a car when someone gets killed in a car accident. The reality is that we do blame the car, and that’s why the government has mandated so many safety measures, from anti-lock brakes to third brake lights to side air bags. Through the years, we’ve come to respect the damage and carnage that a car can inflict, and that’s why we’ve made them safer BY LAW. We also make cars safer by restricting access to those who have proven that they cannot drive responsibly. So if you have a DUI, your driving privileges are temporarily revoked, and ultimately taken away after a certain number of violations. Faulty Claim 2: Evil will find evil, so preventative measures will not be effective. Yes, it’s true that evil people will do evil things, but when we make it harder for people to do evil things, less evil happens. Patrick goes over the timeline of events leading up to the shooting, and he states that the gunman BOUGHT a gun in the days prior. Now, what if we made it harder for the gunman to purchase the gun? What if we had a background check that could take into account his threatening social media posts, and the text messages he sent to the girl about posting his gun pics? It’s reasonable to say that if more stringent background checks were in place, the shooter would not have been able to purchase that gun. And while he may have found other ways to inflict evil, perhaps the carnage would not have been so great because he would not have access to an automatic weapon. Faulty/Hypocritical Claim 3: Politicians are using this event to promote their agenda. Well, that’s true to some degree. However, Carolina is doing just that by talking about gun control and defunding the police (which most of us can agree has very little to do with preventing mass shootings). It’s very clear here that her first priority is to defend gun rights and the Second Amendment, and she’s using this opportunity to do so with an extremely weak analogy between how we view guns and how we view cars. It’s just a very weak analogy. I wish you guys would have called her out on that, and I’m a bit surprised you guys let her get away with it. I commend Patrick for bringing the conversation back to focusing on solutions, because that’s what we need. When you have a wound, you need to take any measures necessary to stop the bleeding, and perhaps hiring armed guards to protect every school is something we might need in the short term, as drastic as that might seem. In the meantime, why not make it harder for evil people to do evil things, just like we make it harder for drunk drivers to drive cars? More stringent background checks would help that become a reality. The timeline of events in Uvalde proves this to be true.

[@r410a6]

This is a person with common sense!!!

[@christiansgrignoli3351]

Thank you for thinking and writing rationally.

[@sashaghovanlou8175]

Literally took the word out of my mind. I can’t believe the panel even responded with “oh yea such a good point”. This is not literal, but everyone has a car, we use them every day, for all intents an purposes, we have the same one, and we aren’t killing 20 people with one car. It’s not remotely the same. What was this kid going to do if he couldn’t buy the gun? Hit up the local black market? Order the parts and build the gun? There are many ways he could still make it happen, but like you said, it would definitely be a deterrent. One point that I don’t necessarily agree with is the authorities being able to comb your text messages and private Facebook messages simply because you are applying to purchase a gun. That’s too much

[@r410a6]

@@sashaghovanlou8175 I wonder if someone was to blatantly post on social media that they are goin to shoot up the White House or the president,if they would ignore those signs as well?

[@b.delacroix7592]

In order to do what you ask, we have to repeal 2a. By making more laws, we simply make it harder for law abiding to be law abiding. Criminals don't care.

[@BaaSicStuff]

Nothing replaces a good parent....PARENTS, our families are broken. I was raised in a broken home surrounded by wealth and judgment, I was angry, but I was smart, many are not smart, so they get angrier. We need to promote parenting and the responsibilities of it

[@marcelohendrix6139]

many third world countries don’t have these problems even though the inequality disparity is bigger

[@khristinebognot]

Parenting is KEY!

[@jcm7814]

Exactly, when his parents were interviewed it seemed like they didn’t even know their child! Yet people want to cut planned parenthood, child development should be taught in schools.

[@scottmac8551]

@@jcm7814 teaching child development in schools is certainly better than nothing. It’s not like American public schools can do any worse with that than they are with math and science

[@brarautorepairs]

My family was broken, I did poorly in school, had a crappy lunch and got picked on or had to fight kids. At no point was I able to easily obtain a weapon and turn my frustrations into a mass shooting. Anyone who feels hopeless should not be able to go into the local gun store and buy a weapon.

[@josefernandomontero9130]

I come from Costa Rica a third world country, we have bullying, we have gangs, we have poverty, we have guns, we get robbed sometimes, we have bad politicians , we have crime… but never ever wake up a day with this type of massacres on civilians and specially little kids. I love the US and travel there constantly and the only thing I can conclude is that there’s a culture and values problem and you have to start working from there, otherwise this things will keep on happening either with gun control or not.

[@harjotsingh1326]

Absolutely. I’ve been to many third world countries with slums and gangs. Nobody has the thought of “I’m gunna shoot up innocent kids at a school.” There’s a deeper root destroying society and it’s not gun laws. Remove gun laws and thugs will still find a way to get a gun.

[@Lazcanorealestate]

Sencillo que no les vendan aedas a los civiles esa cultura de tener rifles armas del ejército , sin revisión debe de tener un año para que se las den

[@3101home]

Does Costa Rica have common sense gun laws?

[@nickbrennan3389]

Costa Rica, third world country 😂😂😂...its the switzerland of latin america...anyone from costa rica is very lucky and blessed !!

[@ReyFierro]

Costa Rica no es un pais de tercera amigo. No se devalue tanto. Pero estoy de acuerdo que la cultura y los valores son el problema. EEUU promueve la mentalidad víctima mas que cualquier otro país creando una generación mas debil y entitulada con cada generación que pasa.

[@margaretenoha5394]

Make no mistake. This was ALLOWED to happen.

[@goosecouple]

Project Oswald.

[@manyakus8919]

And it will happen again many times

[@jesset4870]

What is project oswald

[@zarlok5294]

Encouraged. Not enough back story. It smells.... like everything else going on. It all smells. Take a few whiffs.

[@luiso2166]

It's obvious.

[@omarahelluc94]

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[@thijsvink9578]

I just make my first withdrawal today trading with expect Mr Mapat

[@thijsvink9578]

indeed he's an expert

[@danmarcus5074]

who's this professiosnal everyone is talking about ?

[@danmarcus5074]

For people to talk all this good about him, he must be an expert, please how can I get in touch with him

[@danmarcus5074]

Hello any there

[@kyleyen6142]

Drug addiction, moral value, broken family, and toleration to abusive political demonstrations are only the few causes of the problem.

[@brarautorepairs]

And easy access to a rifle that fires without bolt action and has a large capacity magazine. You can fire off multiple rounds without reloading. Trust me the police wouldn't want to go inside and fight off someone with an AR.

[@kyleyen6142]

When mob burned down the statues, public buildings, flipped and burned the police cars, we and our cars can be the next if we are in the wrong time and wrong places. Korean town survived during the LA Riot simply because Koreans failed in trying to seek police’s help and had the ability to protect themselves.

[@Xcraigy85X]

RIP to those poor children ❤️

[@goosecouple]

Thousands of potential criminals pouring in through the southern border every day. Stay vigilant, stay safe.

[@PajPobTsuasVaj]

@@goosecouple Open border or easy border law don’t caused people to go out on a rampage. It’s open carry firearms and easy access to firearms law that make it easy for people to go out on a rampage shooting.

[@kyd70]

The children feel nothing more on this side of existence. It’s the poor parents that will suffer for eternity

[@Xcraigy85X]

@@kyd70 as a parent myself i can imagine the pain they are going through, only it must be a thousand times worse, heartbreaking

[@HaneefaTheHaneefa]

@@goosecouple most school shootings are home grown white men, what about them?

[@pelamahloko5795]

Watching this and seeing “teachers should have guns” is so alien to me because I never had to even think about that when I was in school. That is not normal, a teacher having a gun is not normal but I guess it is a solution for the current issue, but I believe America has a deeper darker issue that needs to be solved in homes, families etc because all this not normal

[@Vince1979Gator]

your Grandparents had 'Bomb Drills' on a regular basis.

[@stephenhull3783]

I don’t think it’s the solution. We need to have stricter gun laws which can end this all together or at least minimize the damage. It’s too bad gun lobbies are allowed to be exploited through red states, and put profit over lives. This is a deeper issue than supplying more guns, we need a better solution.

[@jaimetheone9150]

Get rid of gun-free zones, let any adult carry inside schools.

[@Bigmommashouse317]

It’s literally so embarrassing to be from this country this point

[@christiangraff5236]

Teachers would have a very hard time putting a bullet into a kids head no matter the circumstances. They need retired vets or cops stationed in every room and the hallway. Metal detectors at every entrance. It's sad and extreme, but that's the world we're living in.

[@apolitis1]

When you come to a point to discuss for armed guards/teachers at schools, your society is already lost. All of these measures are trying to treat the symptoms of a deteriorated society. How to fix the cause of the issue, I have no idea...

[@ReyFierro]

The society was lost when evil beings chose the vulnerable as pray and started shooting schools and churches. Discussing armed guards and teachers is a reactive conversation to what already happened as a possible solution.

[@CRASS2047]

There have been mass killings since the beginning of time.

[@CRASS2047]

These cowards only choose schools because they know it’s a gun free zone with large gatherings of people who are not going to provide resistance. We must remove schools from the list of gun free zones. If everyone knows there are armed teachers, they will go elsewhere

[@ReyFierro]

@@CRASS2047 say it louder for the people on the far left back. California has the strictest gun laws in the nation and most mass shooting and gun deaths. Mexico citizens cant own guns and there is one sole gun dealer in mexico city which is why the cartels control everything because most civilians cant protect themselves. Countries of the world dont attack us or try to take over why? Not because of our military but because we are the most armed country. Protect our second amendment!

[@jzen1455]

Many people are talking band aide solutions. It's going to take many decades for mass shootings to stop. We just have too many stressed out and alienated Americans who feel hopeless, depressed, hopeless. and meaningless. The solutions need to prevent as many Americans from falling through the cracks into despair.

[@sofronije74]

From Dr. Park Dietz’s mouth to God’s ear: “When we engage in an obsessive questioning of why a shooter did it, we are granting their [sic] exact wish.” Dr. Dietz, a forensic psychiatrist and researcher, has personally evaluated many mass murderers and has provided expert testimony in numerous criminal trials. His conclusion (and here I quote from Hamlet rather than Dietz): “Though this be madness, yet there is method in’t.” What Dietz has found is that there is a common motive behind these mass shootings. The details vary in each case, but these shooters obsessively blame others for their problems and fantasize about the attention and historic notoriety that their savage act will provoke. The key to ending, or at least minimizing, the plague of mass killings, is to deprive the shooters of what they crave most: Fame. This is precisely what The New York Times gets wrong (along with most other news media) - and don’t think they don’t understand the risk. We’ve been on this merry-go-round of violence long enough for anyone with a lick of sense to realize that publicizing slaughter begets copycat slaughter. Don’t put the killer’s face on the landing page of The New York Times’ website. Don’t analyze and interpret his scribbling, social media posts, clothing, or graphic symbols. After John Wilkes Booth’s accomplices in the Lincoln assassination plot were executed, one Washington newspaper wrote, “we wish to know their names no more.” Exactly - that’s the posture we need our news media to adopt. Of course, this stands in opposition to the media quest for ever more clicks and eyeballs.

[@mikeholmed7029]

We need to deny the killers of the fame they seek. And we also need to deny them of life in prison, and use the death penilty for these cases. The cases with video and first person accounts should expidite putting these people to death. Im tired of hearing of mitigating factors like he had no father, drug problems,bullying etc. These are no reasons to limit the penilty for killing another person. We also need to start using mental institutions again.

[@sofronije74]

@@mikeholmed7029 I copy - paste that from the site. Guy is expert in the field. He interviewed criminals and serial killers and mass shooters for 40 years. Problem is that is almost impossible to apply that in reality.

[@ad206]

No media outlet publishes even 1/10th of the mass shootings that occur in this country. That makes no sense. 90% go completely unheard of outside of the town or region in which they occur.

[@benjitucker1331]

Exactly. Common sense. But most of the media don’t care. I’m sure they have executives that know this already, but money is more important to them.

[@ad206]

@@benjitucker1331 There have been 17 mass shootings since Uvalde. How many of them have been covered by the national media? It has nothing to do with fame or the media.

[@TacticalToolbox]

Red flag laws aren't the answer either. Red Flag Laws subverts Due Process and assumes guilt before proven.

[@TMGREVERENDX]

To be fair so does any level of detainment. Why should guns be treated any differently?

[@tank1133]

This is the stupidest argument

[@adamgonzalez7450]

@@TMGREVERENDX detainment is an immediate thing while having reasonably articulated evidence of a crime. And you get released from detainment fairly quickly. Red flag laws are different because you don’t get your rights back immediately. They can just hold them for a long time. It will be abused by govt.

[@driverguy4074]

@@adamgonzalez7450 in this case, Red Flag Laws would have prevented this tragic incident. His post about shooting a school, would have been enough, even without a Red Flag Law for Law Enforcement to make a house call.

[@Stormtrooper-oc4vn]

so if a person deemed a threat they should allowed to have guns?? oh ok makes super lots of sense so much it went over my head....

[@smedrano1964]

THE ONLY THING THAT STOPS A BAD MAN WITH A GUN IS A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN. UNLESS THE GOOD GUY WITH A GUN IS A COWARD POLICE OFFICER WITH A GUN. THIS IS BEYOND SICKENING. FIRE THESE COWARDS DERELICTION AND NEGLIGENCE OF DUTY. TO PROTECT AND SERVE THEMSELVES...

[@johnnyv5995]

...and yet this does not occur anywhere else in the world - WHY?

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

@@johnnyv5995 They arent allowed to have guns

[@ReijiMoritsugu]

if we eliminate all doors, we can prevent school shootings.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

One coward? I believe there were dozens!

[@christiansgrignoli3351]

How do you know that though? What if their hostage protocol is meant to have a professional hostage negotiator with the risk of hostages and not having info that the shooter is a maniac hell-bent on killing.. they use game theory to find the optimal solution but sometimes the worst outcomes occur.

[@Jamali31748]

Notice how these types of violence never happens in a happy well balanced home...the damage was already there before the bullying...

[@SuperRadChad]

100% it's how these kids are raised

[@MrHighSky]

I watched an news short interview with a teen that knew the shooter. He stated that the shooter wasnt bullied, He was the bully! And the kid would go to the park to start fights. He also witnessed him kill an animal. I will look for that interview.

[@richy12zzz]

I agree with everything you guys said. But, I think the most important and most easy thing we can do as Americans to stop these gun violence is by addressing the American Home. Your family support structure and parenting at home can make a world of a difference. Single parents can use extra help. Poor communities can use your help. Both parents working to survive, can use your help. America needs to strengthen your morals a values again.

[@goosecouple]

Close the southern border. Thousands of potential criminals are coming in every day.

[@liljes34]

You really think it’s possible to address every American home mental health wise? That is not logical. These shooters need to be captured and tortured.

[@colinb8332]

@@goosecouple almost all the shootings have been Americans how is those useful to this issue?

[@DY-td3ku]

Yeah good luck with that, like that’s possible

[@jasonborotra4208]

@@goosecouple What do migrants coming to the USA have to do with mass shootings? We all know those are done by "real" Americans. You also have to realize that most migrants aren''t "Potential criminals", they are mostly people that want a better life. The same type of people that your ancestors were when they went to the US. That type of thinking is holding you back as a country.

[@theylied1776]

, especially after what the police revealed today. He encountered two different resource police officers before he entered that building. Neither one did anything stop him from entering that building.

[@pitpride1220]

The police waited for an hour outside while he slaughtered children. That's why a border control agent did the duty at the end.

[@2apocalypsex]

Not only that, the police that were outside the school apperently waited for almost an hour before even attempting to take any action

[@goosecouple]

It's manufactured.

[@mytruthslays1303]

The police have alot of blame for this. Sad to say it.

[@mytruthslays1303]

@@goosecouple stop

[@96Shalom]

"Why do people go straight to gun laws?".... Because every other country who have gun laws don't have regularly/any mass shootings! The UK had one school shooting and the government acted right away and since then, they haven't had any! How anyone can argue for the idea of having armed security guards at pre schools is honestly mind blowing!

[@MrSumone]

We have more guns than we have people. That genie is not going back in the bottle.

[@DocintheArena]

Truly incredible I keep reading comments in disbelief that people would rather draft in the military to protect pre-schoolers rather than gun control

[@minkowski4d]

Problem is the people…not the guns. The US are one of the most careless countries in the developed world.

[@MrSumone]

@@minkowski4d it's our cultural and societal breakdown. Not the guns

[@georgediaskouris8067]

And every other country curtailed, turned over on its belly and has been letting their respective governments perform totalitarian measures of control and, coersion on them. ... Unless your fine with being a puppet of the state as long as you toe the line and dont make a fuss... In which case, we will have a problem

[@luiscortez4989]

I was really looking forward to hearing what you and your guest had to say on this issue. Was a bit disappointed your guests suggestions fell short of reasonable solutions and were very one sided. I guess I thought you were a bit more centric in your views so was expecting more well rounded solutions.

[@solomons5669]

He’s a right wing nut

[@brandonowoghiri8643]

Extremely one sided discussion

[@J-Mac8]

Apparently you’re not happy because she didn’t say whatever your narrative is.

[@Bigmommashouse317]

this really left a bad taste.. her analogy about the vehicles confuses me...comes off very defensive like shes guilty about owning an AR which she should doesnt make her or anyone else a bad person but by her logic imagine if civilians had access to armored vehicles then when someone drives a tank and blows up a school they say "its the person not the tank people run over crowds with f150 trucks"

[@adaniel3833]

@@J-Mac8 Just have opposing views she the car wreck was a bad analogy In my opinion Bc it rarely happens in mass

[@pitpride1220]

In this case I'm fine with vilifying the police in that town. The wine moms will be too. The police sat outside the school in fear while the slaughter happened. They erased 18 minutes of tape so the public couldn't hear what they were saying. That affected mothers there more directly than a couple cities reallocating some funds. No city actually defunded the police. That's just rhetoric that is unhelpful.

[@goosecouple]

Thousands of potential criminals pouring in through the southern border every day. Stay vigilant, stay safe.

[@pitpride1220]

@@goosecouple I live there, I am. I appreciate it, you as well

[@rsaggar]

​@@goosecouple gunman was born in North Dakota I believe. From what I have seen, most if not all school shootings are done by people born in the US. is this a random statement or linked?

[@ramblingsadrift6477]

Your source in your claim of 18 minutes of tape being erased is.....

[@franciscojuarez4994]

Agreed but police officers in those moments guess what have handguns against rifles. You think they want to risk there lives against better equipped criminals?

[@ChesterGlover]

I face palmed this whole conversation

[@Hornet135]

Because you can’t handle the truth?

[@hectorcardenas2171]

Take it like a man.

[@ChesterGlover]

@@Hornet135 ah no dickhead the car and at-15 comparison just made my brain hurt.

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

@@Hornet135 no because they aren't reporting the truth. Their solution was to have officers at schools. There were officers at the scene of this tragedy and they stood outside for 40 MINUTES. So if they told the truth we would be happier

[@kevingp12]

@@dr.wolfstar1765 so it's the officers fault

[@timwilkinson3139]

How did this kid get 4K worth of weaponry when he was unemployed and the family wasn't well off!

[@taelorwatson9822]

Go fund me

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

Soros?

[@TofuDriver11]

@@sponkmcdonk3898 got it right on the momeu

[@AdamEllul]

Viewer from the uk, I know it’s too late to wipe guns off the streets in the us because they are everywhere however if this kid didn’t have access to a gun this would never happen. When you have a gun your are as close to invincible as humanly possible.

[@newerest1]

you contributed nothing to this conversation

[@DarkPhantomSky]

You are right.

[@jzen1455]

It's going to take many decades for mass shootings to stop. We just have too many stressed out and alienated Americans who feel hopeless, depressed, hopeless. and meaningless. The solutions need to prevent as many Americans from falling through the cracks into despair. Switzerland has even higher gun ownership than the US but no mass shootings. The US is just so polarized and disjointed that we are our worst enemy.

[@stevenponte6655]

@@newerest1 Really? The answer is obvious. Crazy Australian nutter wants to kill muslims, but cant buy guns in Australia. So he goes to NZ, buys guns, kills 50+ people. The answer is pretty simple. But he merely pointing out it just wont happen. Free/socialised health (including mental) also does wonders for younger people in these positions. But you guys dont want that either. The solutions are there and simple, but Americans say there will be civil war. So thoughts and prayers are the best anyone can do.

[@AdamEllul]

@@newerest1 neither have you congrats

[@DasJaegar]

Again I ask “Where are the fathers”, almost every mass shooter comes from a single mother home.

[@Zeecash22]

Yup

[@tank1133]

Yup. Guns have absolutely no role in mass shootings. This last guy used a teddy bear to kill those kids if I’m not mistaken

[@nickbrennan3389]

Cant talk about that

[@stevenponte6655]

Scandinavian countries have a higher rate of single parent/mom households than American. And this kind of thing hardly ever happens there. Nothing after Norway i think.

[@micperez819]

People can't make enough to car for their families, people get locked up over minor offenses and there is no true rehabilitating going on. No universal health care and a poor education system. As Ghandi said, poverty is the worst form of violence

[@MrMesropa]

I love your show, but none of your guests actually provided a serious solution or even played devil's advocate. You provided some good points, but lots of flaws. There are night clubs, super markets, malls... Do we put armed guards everywhere at all times. The Florida shooting in 2018 had an active police officer who sat in his car and waited during the shooting. The kid in California who killed the woman doing a 100 in a Lamborghini, yes part of it was the car, he would not have killed that woman with a Toyota Corolla. Again love the show keep it! up

[@Mercurial.]

U so spot on. Great call out 👏🏽

[@judejoinville9438]

Love the show too, but this was all disappointing.

[@jcobra99]

The fact that's a congressional candidate is scary. Her input into the conversation and debate was on an elementary school kid level. I honestly don't think she contributed a single viewpoint of value to the conversation. Everyone else had a great constructive debate on the topic.

[@kuyshina]

I also began feeling the same way towards the end of the video. Her argument about defunding the police, and how they vilify the weapons made no sense. The soccer moms she’s referring to are in conservative areas.

[@ronaldwilliams9734]

Right

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

Look at the other republicans. Same low quality views

[@TheVikingRL]

The fact that his parents/grandparents didn't flag his gun/ammo purchases was concerning. And where did an 18 year old get the funds to purchase these weapons? I'm skeptical that he had the income to purchase these weapons with his own money.

[@stevenponte6655]

how much would it have cost? genuinely curious i come from a country where u cant buy guns

[@stevenponte6655]

btw i did google it, but ive been reading some of the links and stories about how easy it is to buy guns are fake

[@TheVikingRL]

@@stevenponte6655 It really depends on the make/model/options he purchased with the guns. But based upon current market for two assault rifles, a pistol, body armor and and 1300+ rounds of ammunition it would have been an easy $4000-$5000 when you factor in everything. It was stated he worked at Wendy's which pays an average of $10/hr. So figuring in various taxes, it would have taken him around 400-500 hours to make enough money. That's assuming he never spent money on anything else, which isn't likely.

[@stevenponte6655]

@@TheVikingRL thanks. Thats quite an investment for an 18 yr old. The closest I could think of when i was 19 and desperately wanted to a Gibson les paul for about $2k. I could only manage $1k after a summer of work. So my parents kindly chipped in with the rest. Maybe something similar happened here!

[@xsb22]

Unfortunately, gun violence in the US will never be resolved. My prayers go out to all the children and teachers who suffered this terrible event.

[@vince6792]

Violence in general will never be resolved. It's an inherent human trait that manifests in undesirable behavior. However, there are measures that can be implemented involving new high tech that can greatly help in mitigating such occurrences.

[@jeffk464]

So the alternative is psych testing and arms training all of our teachers. I don't maybe that's where we need to be but that's depressing as hell.

[@vince6792]

@@jeffk464 I stated earlier not everyone has the psychological disposition to handle or use firearms. This is best left to professionals, preferably ex-military with real world experience that should remain out of sight and out of mind so as not to traumatize children or distract teachers or faculty members. Coupled with AI surveillance this can greatly mitigate or completely prevent such occurrences from ever happening. It would also preserve our second amendment rights. It's up to the politicians to do the right thing, so far I have no faith in any politician doing what is right for average citizens.

[@goatculler]

Start by stop! supporting Ukranian Nazis

[@ryandouglas1188]

@ultraquiz one reason I'm glad I don't live there

[@becoming-humble8745]

In Canada we don't have armed guards in banks , sporting events etc. How did a kid even be able to afford to buy not one but two AR15 and 350 rounds of 5.56 ammo ? The UK. Australia and Canada don't have this problem. This is just so sad and when this happens , out comes the political finger pointing but nothing happens. Sorry but the USA is going down the tubes. The un-united states, no one can get together and fix this.

[@colinharris4567]

Exactly, how does a kid buy such a weapons and that amount of ammo !!!

[@rojayreid908]

Sir Canada had their shooting, guess who killed him a cop with a gun.

[@rojayreid908]

In that state at 18 you can buy AR15 and other guns, plus this guy had a clean background prior to buying those guns.

[@becoming-humble8745]

@@rojayreid908 oh 🙄 it's that cheap is what I'm saying ? And no red flags went up with buying two AR-15 .

[@becoming-humble8745]

@@rojayreid908 Last year there was 618 mass shooting in the USA. You are talking about one incident 🤣

[@ME-lq4ct]

It’s the disconnect from human touch and communication. The video games are so real with a lack of reality of humanity. They look all day at a video game and see the school as part of a video game.

[@Zeus0886]

The problem is called Social Media and the unhealthy minds of the teens today. These children are extremely depressed and nobody see its or cares. Even the parents dont know, they just send there kids to school and think thats it.

[@mytruthslays1303]

Exactly correct. This is a FAR bigger issue than guns. This is a family, mental health, and societal problem we created.

[@blacklotus5953]

No the problem is with guns. This has been happening before social media.

[@Zeus0886]

@@blacklotus5953 yea columbine. I cant remember nothing happening like that for another 15yrs. Now it happens every year it seems like.

[@alexatedw]

What about the cops waiting outside for an hour?

[@apexpredator3858]

Cowards!

[@PrecYsely]

Cowards, anyone says "they were just doing what they were told" is also a coward

[@frankcouste4785]

It starts with the shooter. The gun manufacturer should not be held accountable. Everything else can be argued but isn’t relevant

[@cspdx11]

If you can use a gun manufacturer then should sue pill pushing companies too

[@Mercurial.]

So advocating bloods of them kids should then?!

[@ceoherohub2584]

The gun manufacturers are next on the chopping block. How many lives will have to end before you change your mind? We already know companies have absolutely no morals and are protected immensely.

[@AM2K2]

'The left want to politicize this!!!!!1111' also her 'this is to do with defunding the police' 😂THE POLICE WERE OUTSIDE DOING NOTHING FOR OVER AN HOUR!

[@michaelwood5911]

When you buy a car you have to pass a test, theory and practical. You have seat belts, you have laws around drinking and driving, you gave laws around Drugs and driving, you have speed limits, speed cameras, you have a system where if deemed to be an unsafe driver you can be banned. Put some gun control in and start to mitigate this risk instead of pushing armed guard at schools, which is basically you admitting that school shootings are inevitable, they are NOT.

[@azzahh846]

Exactly right her analogy of it’s like a car is ridiculous it’s nothing like it all and America should look to a country like Australia that has tight gun laws it works trust me and to keep on just defending the current laws is stupidity

[@opticsking4909]

let's give up our rights because of the mentally ill. completely makes sense.

[@SuperRadChad]

People break those rules everyday with vehicles. I do agree some training if first time purchase, but that doesn't solve this issue. There's 2k laws on the books for guns already. Responsible gun owners aren't shooting innocent people.

[@michaelwood5911]

@@SuperRadChad responsible gun owners aren't the problem.....

[@patrick6213]

@@michaelwood5911 exactly, so why are you trying to disarm the people who follow the laws. The people committing this evil inherently DON’T care about the law. You you think they can’t get access to guns on the black market just look to illegal drugs. You’re being naive if you think that more gun control will fix the problem.

[@Crest28]

There will always be extremely terrible people, thats just the reality of human nature. Best thing we can do is protect the people most vulnerable

[@bryanutility9609]

We could separate people who hate each other. Forced diversity & mass immigration are major contributors to the breakdown of harmony.

[@Crest28]

@@bryanutility9609 when the Greek defeated the Persians, they started to fight each other. Japan fought amongst themselves for hundreds of years. The native Americans were literally conquering and killing each other yet they has ZERO immigration . Lack of immigration doesn't change anything, people will just start fighting each other, its in our nature. Thinking that allowing zero immigration will eliminate violence is just as delusional as Thinking "No Guns allowed signs work" spoiler they don't

[@dannyc8167]

@@bryanutility9609 u know that is a historical fact. I’m no scholar but history repeating itself is a real thing. The main different thing is the breakdown of the family and the removal of God in our lives and that’s “in a nut shell” why we’re getting worse. That’s not mentioning democrats it’s just describing them, huh

[@michaelblair5146]

I have empathy for those families of victims and the man who committed the crime. He was radicalized by far right voices. They get kids by first turning their own sadness from family, bullying, or not fitting into outright depression and then it turns to jealousy. That turns into anger and eventually hate.

[@marcelohendrix6139]

@@bryanutility9609 yet this doesn’t happen in other countries

[@danjenkins2064]

Taking away guns it not about protecting school children. It’s to keep you from protecting yourself when the government comes to enforce total control over your life.

[@Xcraigy85X]

facts

[@pitpride1220]

What is voting against mental health bills about? When they tweet that it's the main problem and something needs to be done, n

[@HoanNguyen-wt3cr]

Does it rly matter to wait two more years for a gun unless you are in the military or some kind of police academy? Theres a big difference in hormones between a 18y adult and a 20y adult, keeping into account the economic progress such as inflation

[@Polyfusia]

The government has weaponry that can vaporize you from hundreds of miles away at the push of a button. Your AR-15 can't do a fucking thing against modern military weapons. This excuse stopped being valid in the 1800's.

[@bombasticnonsense4247]

@@HoanNguyen-wt3cr Tell that to the 18 year old man with a wife and children who is not in the military or police. Tell him that he can’t protect his family because you are angry and sad.

[@USA__WILL]

I agree making it harder for greater than 25 yr olds to get guns. Psych eval. and mandatory gun safety training. Banning guns isn't going to stop people from doing crazy stuff like this.

[@martiantv805]

Age limit needs to be at least 21 or more. At least 2 or more years of employment where they can all his prior employer and ask did they guy or girl have issues did you notice red flags? Was he or she fired and why? Some thing has to be done.

[@sashaghovanlou8175]

MartianTV we can’t hinge the ability to get a gun on the opinion of a potentially disgruntled former employer. I like your where you are going though

[@martiantv805]

@@sashaghovanlou8175 Why can’t we? If you can’t keep a job you got a problem

[@joelight4234]

Love your content. Keep it up

[@Euruk1]

Put up good secure gates. Properly trained and armed security positioned at key locations similar to ballparks. The idea is deter these people from even trying, and god forbid they do anyway it will be more difficult to pull off.

[@brarautorepairs]

I've seen fat security guards running away during a mass shoot. No one is going to risk their life with a glock21 against a guy with an AR.

[@termikes174]

I agree with this. However, we should also and more importantly focus on why would one commit such an evil act. Our society is rotten almost to the core. God, morality, the golden rule has been virtually erased from our society/institutions. Our identity as god fearing independent Americans/families has been destroyed. Let’s restore the nuclear family under god.

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Security is the most basic option that makes sense & would create more jobs, but a lot were opposed to that which is ridiculous.

[@jesse76th96]

Schools can't even pay teachers properly...

[@Euruk1]

@@termikes174 I agree 100%. That's a much deeper, complex, and long term issue though. This is more short term.

[@alexatedw]

Red flag laws seem like an easy way for the gov to get your guns for whatever reason

[@mytruthslays1303]

Exactly. Red flag laws will always be a no go.

[@guitarthrasher81]

@@mytruthslays1303 what about if they were given due process? Taken to court with jury to determine

[@markieffmorris9263]

That’s great because if you’ve ever bothered reading the second amendment, you might realize that in ZERO WAYS does it state (or even imply) that citizens have a right to bear arms

[@alexatedw]

@@guitarthrasher81 even still I can see abuse

[@cincydooley]

Yeup.

[@giselazuniga1323]

What stopped the children’s murdered?? A human with a gun with the desire of helping another human being…in this casa (little Angels 👼) Respect to this hero…BORDER PATROL BORTAC AGENT

[@balintk.9373]

As someone who lives in Europe I find it ridiculous that pretty much anybody can buy legally an assault rifle in the states. I know owning a gun is deeply embedded in the culture there but how come in my country massacres like this never happened? Oh, because unless you are in law enforcement you are not allowed to own any guns?

[@fgsaramago]

And since the US has always sucked at actually enforcing laws, Americans will tell you that such rules existing wont prevent criminals from having guns. Obvioisly those Americans have never visited a developed country to realize how pathetic that sounds

[@scottmac8551]

@@fgsaramago most people calling for laws to ban guns probably smoke weed too

[@djfarrer9065]

You are absolutely right, not just in Europe but across the world people are shocked by this. And yet this Catalina woman will shamelessly defend her paymasters in the gun lobby. Why should civilians be able to own assault rifles?

[@scottmac8551]

@@djfarrer9065 if firearms are too dangerous for law abiding citizens then they should also be too dangerous for the authoritarians in the US government. If we shouldn’t have firearms for civilians then no firearms for the security of politicians either

[@ksnv7892]

That is actually not 💯 accurate! America doesn’t lead in these sickening shootings! And you must have an understanding of what the 2A is! Statistically guns in the US do not kill the most people! And is NOT the cause of most violent deaths.

[@porkflaps4717]

You better watch the Gateway Pundit video, or Salty Cracker video, the police STOOD DOWN FOR 40 MINUTES while the shooter was active, they were more concerned with KEEPING THE PARENTS AWAY while their children were being slaughtered. WHO told police to STAND DOWN? This was ALLOWED to happen.

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Sounds like it, we need some answers... 😬

[@bryanutility9609]

Sounds like click bait bs but whatever

[@newerest1]

@@bryanutility9609 Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about since these facts are so effortless to validate.

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

The problem is it’s impossible to monitor every child and teenager that is going through rough times. There’s like an average of 5-7 teachers to over 100 students? On top of that you have to consider home life too, that’s something teachers have no control over. For every 1000 students there’s 1 student that is a serious danger. This problem will not go away.

[@Josh_you_uh]

Exactly ppl wanna put a blame on one specific thing and then fix it but it’s way more complicated than that and everyone’s acting off emotion right now because what happened is disgusting…it starts at home and with the parents IMO, all these shootings were young kids doing them and they all were mentally ill and have that same look…to just blame guns is ridiculous. Unfortunately stuff like this will always happen IMO but I’m for finding ways to mitigate it

[@bryanutility9609]

People are trash.

[@bm421]

Can’t sue gun manufacturers for a shooting unless you’re going to sue a car manufacturer for a crash

[@apricotbranding]

We need to stop comparing guns to cars! A car is made for transportation while a gun is only made for killing, So there needs to be more control over the types of guns that are legal as well as who is buying them and how easily they are accessed...I'm not saying gun control is the ONLY answer but it would help...we dont have to make it so easy for anyone to buy a weapon of war

[@b.delacroix7592]

You do not understand the reason for 2A.

[@apricotbranding]

@@b.delacroix7592 Yes I do. The reason for the 2A is self-defense but these weapons still need to be prevented from getting in the wrong hands

[@jasonpoyer9331]

Can you kill someone with any vehicle?

[@apricotbranding]

@@jasonpoyer9331 Almost Anything can be weaponized to kill. But the difference is guns are made specifically for killing so they need more regulation

[@bombasticnonsense4247]

Any fool who is for “red flag” laws is my enemy.

[@bryanutility9609]

Anyone who wears a COVID mask is my enemy. Where have you been? 😂

[@jenniferl.snider-gartin9278]

When I was 9, my brother and I took a summer class put on by my grandfather's club a (hunting, fishing), learning about guns. I learned enough to know how dangerous they are & that if you have it,,you'll use it.

[@goosecouple]

Sounds like you're in the wrong country.

[@bryanutility9609]

There are over 300 million guns in this country. I wish that were right. We wouldn’t have any more problems.

[@Timothonius]

I love the change in your tone, Pat. I feel like we’re seeing the real you. Proud of you and your growth - you’re a huge inspiration!

[@or2130]

That was a horrible example, You have to pass 2 exams to have a license to legally drive a car, you can't be drunk or on drugs, cant be on your phone, can't pas school bus if stopped, have to wait for a green light or other right of way, can't speed or else you will get a ticket depending how much you sped, you can get your license taken away and go to jail. There are organizations around the country about drunk driving, including police campaigns and commercials laws passed because of unsafe drivers....cars are constantly being improved to become more safe on the road, if any issues offer there is a nation wide recall, now what in the world has been done about guns and gun responsibilities compared to the same standards of unsafe driving and cars ?

[@vicdiaz5180]

The problem with red flag laws is that if violates 4 constitutional amendments and due process. Anyone can report you if they are upset at you What if you get into an argument with your spouse and she called the cops on you? The cops will automatically take the guns away! How do I know it has happened many times already and a few cases made news headlines already. People can be falsely accused with the red flag laws. this has already happened hundreds of times especially in Florida

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Exactly, its a slippery slope

[@smedrano1964]

You would rather have dead children ? 2 laws that need to be passed. 1 ) Punish parents with jail time if they purchase guns ammunition or armor for their child if they know he is unstable or has made threats. Or if they do not report that he is in possession of weapons. 2 ) Anybody who posts pictures of themselves with guns threatening violence has legally invited law enforcement into his home for confiscation of his guns..

[@cincydooley]

@@smedrano1964 lol. No.

[@vicdiaz5180]

@@smedrano1964 no one wants kids to get hurt but red flag laws are wrong look into them and you’ll see why. Many states have been abusing red flag laws. Red flag laws are a gateway for politicians to make any excuse to take your guns away I live in Connecticut 20 minutes away from Sandy Hook to be exact and we had Red flag laws since the late 90s. Did red flag laws stop the Sandy Hook tragedy?? People already knew the guy was deranged. We need to focus on the issue because we have over 20,000 gun laws on the books that are not being enforced. Creating another law is just covering up the problem and enforcing unconstitutional red flag laws are almost up already at the Supreme Court level because it’s being abused as we speak. Also if someone wants to post a picture with a gun for range day and they call the cops on them and get their guns confiscated does that seem fair??? Because yes you can get your guns taken away for that under red flag law rule and yes it has happened many times already believe it or not Sounds good on paper but it is a far cry from the truth.

[@bryanutility9609]

Maybe Florida is full of trashy people who shouldn’t own guns. If my wife called the police on me I’d get a divorce.😂

[@brandonbosch01]

If he (shooter) was abused @ home by a person(family, if he was,) who works as a staff faculty in a school, was there anyone else being abused other than the shooter from that abuser? just a thought i had

[@goosecouple]

Shooter was 1.Illegal, 2. Trans gen derr 3. Woke

[@alxfonso4924]

@@goosecouple 0 out of 3

[@alejandropequeno4978]

All teachers should get licensed to carry, or there should be more security in schools.

[@leongruneberg4844]

And a total ban on guns. If someone wants a gun they can wear a uniform and follow the orders of the commanding officer.

[@kodobe8257]

the students should be concealed carrying as well. After social studies these 4th graders should learn how to properly clean a star chamber and close quarter combat maneuvers!

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

It's ridiculous that we even have to resort to this. Not that I'm against having teachers carry weapons; it's simply sad that we've even gotten to this stage in the crisis. Guns do one thing; solve a situation or kill a perp. They are not going to solve the unacknowledged crisis of sociopathic young men that we are breeding. Social media has been one of the largest catalysts for creating a generation that derives values from virtue signals and are completely apathetic to real world problems. It's nothing but me-me-me and any adversity will make them break down and start pounding anti-depressants. No wonder they think that all their problems are the fault of someone else.

[@zv8291]

@@kodobe8257 great way to increase shootings at school...

[@chrisflo24]

I don't agree with teachers carrying unless they are former military or trained to know how to react in these type of situations. We need retired vets or trained armed military guards to serve time protecting schools as part of their service.

[@Basketball2k12]

It’s amazing how guns are more defended then children

[@BeauJames59]

Hey Genius, tell us about the church shooter in Santa Ana CA!

[@vesterlettucetoke3037]

You can make as many laws as u want and it won’t do any good. If you’re willing to get caught, u can do anything.

[@mytruthslays1303]

We can literally 3d print guns with serious ease. Law are pointless.

[@bryanutility9609]

@@mytruthslays1303 Actually most of these shooters are so stupid and insane they can hardly figure out how to load a gun much less aim. Obviously the harder you make it for them to kill the better.

[@johnv.585]

Good discussion on possible solutions. Hopefully they take action to implement the easier/faster solutions first. Another idea would be tactical robotics at every entry point. Basically another set of “eyes” to supplement the guards blind spots. However that robotic device or small figure may look is limitless and up to the human imagination. We can put a robot on mars, launch an origami telescope into space and even construct a particle accelerator that can detect a black hole gravitational wave, so this small robotic figure as mentioned shouldn’t be impossible relative to these. Praying for the families and for solutions to be executed fast. 🙏🏽

[@TheSycaman]

Don't pray. Don't think. Be honest

[@tec_savage601]

Turned 18 and bought an AR-15 but couldn’t buy a beer 😂😅jheez

[@joshualeach4259]

I agree, we should lower the age to buy beer.

[@noahsathletics]

Where are the parents. This is the big problem. The government does everything it can to try to have children to have only 1 parent and to have daycare, and other people to raise kids.

[@robthebankz1]

Working , 1-2-3 jobs ?? And in most countrys in the world kids go to daycare. But U.S is the only country in the world that have 200 mass shotings in 1 year. And have more Guns then there is peeps in the country. And is not about the Guns ????? R.I.P USA... You Will never fix this problem....

[@pointmanactual7893]

Democratic officials love when this happens. It’s their favorite platform of talking about banning guns. The real issue is in today’s society we can’t call out these nut jobs like Ramos or else.. PC culture.

[@kodobe8257]

Catalina “stop politicizing mass shootings” is so cringe. This is a deeply political issue for the past 50 years. Take a look at the Wikipedia page for mass shootings and clearly there is an issue. The solution is unclear at this point but to immediately take guns off the debate table and deflect to something else is pretty brain dead. I love my guns but something is not right.

[@courtneythomas-malagarie4854]

The first thing that isn't right is that you get your info from Wikipedia. Read some real books. Learn about Philosophy, from Ancient Philosophy to Modern Philosophy and you'll start to actually understand the human condition. When you take the human soul out of the equation and focus on materialism alone, you always get these results. This is a historically proven fact.

[@searock3024]

Patrick: “OMG…I wonder how this keeps happening?” Looooool.

[@tigerrx7]

By the way, I was really hoping for an objective and substantiating debate, but the moment y’all mentioned “the left”, it tells me that you’re here to blame and not objectively provide solutions and leave it there. “On our side”? Really? You’re doing the EXACT same thing the MEDIA does

[@markpayton3895]

Only Patrick brought up specific solutions. Catalina talking about politicians with agenda acting like she doesn't have an agenda herself when talking about 'messengers' for our side. The reality is we can't put out blames but work together to come up with actual solutions.

[@AM2K2]

TRUE

[@profoundlyvanilla2708]

Its in the title to this video evil will commit evil. The first step is accepting evil exist then asking how can you mitigate possible future fatalities. Its hard to put trust in anyone risking their own lives even cops. stories are coming out about cops being on the scene for 40 min and holding back parents from running in and that some of these same cops who had kids in the school got their kids out. But if the cops were inside why didn't they try to stop the shooter and focus on their kids why did it take some random border patrol guy who heard the shots to bust in and take action

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

That’s Mumbo jumbo

[@profoundlyvanilla2708]

@@sponkmcdonk3898 which bit is mumbo jumbo. its already a crime to take a life no matter what tool is used trying to come up with another law that states if you violate this old law is people will some how obey it? Or is the part about trusting police to do their job mumbo jumbo the police already made a comment about not going in because they were afraid of getting shot. the nicest way i can put their cowardice is that police are people too and have the same fears of death as anyone else

[@marcryan1974]

Bravo 👏 well said by everyone!

[@FJBtV-os2pv]

Social media and video games will drain your soul .

[@manwithtwoeyes6911]

Violence in schools like this will never be fully solved, however to limit it as much as possible, I suggest the following: 1. Create programs easily accessible to the public that provide free and high quality gun training, and the amount of hours one has in that program should determine the level of firearm they can purchase (sorry but there does need to be some regulation) 2. Require all public schools to lock doors leading outside during school hours 3. Require education for students on how to spot, report, and prevent an event like this before it happens 4. For every 250 students in a public school, there should be 1 trained armed guard in the building. So if there are 1,000 students, there should be 4 armed guards for example.

[@zz3690]

What a ridiculous comment.

[@manwithtwoeyes6911]

@@zz3690 I'm what way?

[@NSRS1]

Just remember everyone, they have NO DUTY TO PROTECT, we're responsible for our own safety and our family's safety. They are for controlling society not protecting!

[@SUZYPAYNE]

HOW MANY TIMES AMERICA ? HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN ? YOU MUST PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN AND MAKE SURE THIS NEVER, EVER HAPPENS AGAIN ! 💚

[@truthteller4442]

It’s always “fOR tHe chiLdrEn!!!” when the government needs to steal your rights. Always.

[@truthteller4442]

It’s always “fOR tHe chiLdrEn!!!” when the government needs to steal your rights. Always.

[@taz7352]

The same city in 2018 had 13 and 14 yo olds talk about shooting up a school in 2022. They started a AI program to pick up chatter on social media about this sort of thing after 2018 incident. Also they had a training in March 2022 on active shooter which they seemed to ignore. Open side door. Why?

[@Nochenoso]

As a European i will never understand the obsession yall have with guns. We never have school shootings here, guess why? NOBODY HAS GUNS. Guns are the problem and these tragedies will keep happening as long as you guys keep normalizing gun ownership

[@chrislong1287]

It’s not an obsession, it just happens to be a constitutional right to secure the other rights. Examining the philosophical and historical context of this right should clear up your lack of understanding. And one thing very important to consider is statistical context. Many people think this is a cold way to look at but, everyone makes this decision 100 times a day

[@Nochenoso]

@@chrislong1287 Being in the constitution does not make it correct. Constitutional rights should change over time because society also changes over time. Slavery was acceptable at one point in time it is not any more. I think you Americans are delusional when it comes to guns and you will learn the hard way

[@truthteller4442]

There is no "obsession." It's simply to protect ourselves from the epidemic of psychotic street gangs running amok, that terrorize innocent people. Since you're not from here, there are obviously problems you can't comprehend. Duh.

[@chrislong1287]

@@Nochenoso slavery comment makes no sense in this context. It was never a constitutional right. You have to put slavery in a philosophical and historical context for the comment to be relevant. The whole concept of individual rights is relatively new and western. Nothing wrong with debating if guns should be a right or not. Discussion of the practicality of individual rights including the rights to own guns is legitimate but, This is mostly a philosophical issue that revolves around individual rights between safety vs security. Many argue freedom is paramount while others want safer lives. Both ideas have good and bad consequences. This argument goes on in the US always as well. Not everyone believes in gun rights. I don’t own a weapon but, I think people should have the right. I think the potential consequences of oppression of an unarmed citizenry outweighs safety concerns. Of course the extreme examples of this are nazi Germany, North Korea and communist China. Of course many European countries enjoy relative freedom without arms. A legitimate discussion could include why this is the case. But, one thing is very overlooked. Murder is murder and death is death. When you have almost 350000000 in a country bad things will happen everyday. School shooting is extremely rare. It’s just the media is capable of capturing everything that goes on in every town everyday. The odds of driving to school is more likely to end in death than attending school. The odds of playing school sports is also more likely to end in serious injury or death. Even leaving your child at home is more likely to end in a deadly accident. People make risk benefit analysis with there own children all the time. It may sound cold but, every picks and chooses their tragedy or risk tolerance.

[@die4race]

@@chrislong1287 you guys are too arrogant to actually learn from other countries...you act like teenagers ! a lot countries had the same problem and they found the solution....you should just copy/paste it...If you are not open to change your constitution then you're acting like Cults !

[@nicktease8750]

You guys were so close to the answer and brushed right over it, literally. The answer is simple. Mental illness. The state of mental health in our country these days is atrocious. There are so many people from normal average blue collar people to White collar Wall Street people to vets to college kids and even counselors and therapists and psychologists since psychiatrists themselves are all looking for psychiatric or mental help of some type. There are not nearly enough providers. As someone who suffers from depression and is in the active hunt for a psychologist myself to help me deal with some serious tragedies and internal turmoil, I can tell you first hand how hard it is to find any psychiatrist or counselor of any type, let alone one you fit with well, and forget about getting one of a high caliber or a supreme pedigree. Not unless you have enough money where you don't suffer from the kind of problems that I've got. You just have to take whatever one you can find and make it work for however long it will work or until they drop you because their schedule is too busy. Next, we need to take the financial incentive out of the prison and jail institutions. There are far too many people sticking their hands in the honey pot and making money off of the people they send to jail directly. It's fucking disgusting. I also have experience in that area of society as well. Once you take away the incentive to financially profit I bet a huge portion of the incarcerated population drops. And who gets incarcerated? Drug addicts and people with mental health issues. Drug addicts are another issue. Not because they're drug addicts but because we have no structures or any kind of support system set up for them at all. People have no idea how long it takes to actually truly recover from drug addiction. The longest rehab you will find reasonably in the United States last 6 months at the very longest. If you are, let's say for example, addicted to methamphetamine, it takes your brain up to a year to repair the synapses and damage done to it. Not to mention the every single second of your life struggle from that point on which is what it means to be a drug addict. People can't afford to move out of the way they live most of the time so they end up going right back to the same old places with the same old people doing the same old things and end up in the same old institutions with the same old problems. That's the problem. We also need to remove the stigma from people who have addiction problems. You'd think by now ppl would understand that it affects anyone, regardless of social status or any other factor. Yet, we still treat addicts like homeless muts with leprosy. Look into how people with mental illnesses and drug addicts are treated over in Europe, the Netherlands specifically. Their rehabs are like resorts where they actually have time and staff to devote to each person to get to the actual root of the cause of the addiction and do whatever they can to fix it. It is a complete 180° treatment compared to the revolving doors we have as rehabs here. So those things, overall mental health for the whole population, and I would also tie that with encouraging the nuclear family where both parents are in the home with the kids and raising them together. That's another huge part of it. Also, take the money out of incarceration and rehab facilities, as well as reverse the stigma in both areas and I would also propose that we need better training for police officers, not more of them. At the beginning of this comment I said this answer was simple. I don't mean that. It is far from simple, what I should have said was that there was one main reason. And I believe mental illness filters off into many if not all of these other topics. If there's a person whose brain isn't working right, they aren't going to act right either. The nuclear family must be upheld and the devices need to be either extremely limited or done away with all together. Social media is the end of the cyst of what implies. And I think they knew that was going to be the case all along. Perhaps not at the very very beginning, maybe they had virtuous goals, but they sold those morals a long time ago.

[@stevenponte6655]

socialised healthcare (including mental) does wonders. But you guys dont want that either.

[@nicktease8750]

@@stevenponte6655 no, you're right, I don't want that either. But if we can send 40 billion dollars to Ukraine to literally burn up in flames we could take that $40 billion and start one hell of a change here in this country. And again, I would put my emphasis mostly on stigma and financial gain to be had from these services, to put it ironically.

[@stevenponte6655]

@@nicktease8750 cant argue with that!

[@artemishumaan6984]

Agreed but what happens when the young men of you society get disenfranchised with life in general because they cannot take the pains of growing up and the added broken society that the leadership of this country has created over the last 40 years. We all the that US society morals is at an all time low and add this to the massive economic stress going on right now and you have a time bomb in the young men of the US that don’t care about living anymore. They are now more dangerous than any animal on this planet. It is like running through dark Africa aimlessly not knowing when a wild animal will strike.

[@TofuDriver11]

Well said!!!

[@crystalcox1397]

every child needs to be psychologically evaluated on an annual basis to identify those who need help. additionally the fact that the parents are so wilfully blind is alarming and points to the fact that some people don't need to be parents

[@nathaneley6486]

When you normalize insanity don’t be appalled by insane acts.

[@courtneythomas-malagarie4854]

This is probably the most rational comment in the feed. BINGO.

[@christiansgrignoli3351]

In good faith I ask those whove deemed this situation a policing scandal - what makes it so? I lack much of the information needed to perform such an analysis and make such a broad statement. Is this not true for everyone else? Why is this such a scandal? Did police send a crisis negotiator? Theres still many unknowns so its impossible to know what the logic was, but let's take a guess; the police got a call from a grandmother and then went into pursuit of the grandson. He wrecked and ran into a school. The police had no information to believe he would start executing kids in the school. They likely assumed a "rational actor" going into school was doing so to get a negotiation chip or hostages. So they probably thought to evacuate everyone they could and at the same time to not rush in at the risk of this grandson making any brash moves. So they want to get a professional hostage negotiator in the belief that it would save the most lives. The only piece of information that changes the equation is if the girl he told of killing kids at a school relayed that info to police. If so, you would think there would be enough bayesian priors to take the risk of going into the room. If not, than it's likely protocol to not just rush into a room with that many hostages. It's a terrible predicament for police. Then as parents came along, it makes sense police wouldn't want non-police citizens (parents or not) to Rambo into a classroom which they possess external control over with potential hostages. The police have a protocol for these situations. It certainly wouldnt contain a section that allows for regualar citizens to do something like this. Maybe there protocol needs to be changed given complex circumstances, but it's tough to say without having it in front of us. But the sad reality is that nearly anyone can go into a school, daycare , after school program, park, or most places in society and start killing people if they are that messed up mentally/morally and already hell-bent on killing. Police alone are not enough of a deterrent or mitigating factor to stop these situations from happening. It will take a multi-pronged approach of mental health, operation security, parenting, moral guidance, and some common sense forms of gun control. Unfortunately, this will be framed as a gun control issue but its much, much more. Our societies spiritual,moral, parental, and mental health is deteriorating. If this kid was hell-bent on killing kids he could had made many homemade explosives and killed just as many people if not more. What's worse is with the advent of 3d printers anyone can make guns. And generally if you got rid of the legal registered guns than it would provide asymmetric power to criminals who possess non-registered guns over society. It's a difficult situation. For sure. I dont have the answers. But eithor do the pundits and politicians who are often just virtue signaling to their liberal base who also have no clue the 2nd, 3rd, and nth order effects. As an independent left-leaning minded person I've seen to many conversations and debates get derailed by lack of good faith and trying to politicize an issue into a linear solution when it needs a complex multi variant one. Both sides are truly guilty of this. A quick example is guns for the left and drug law policing on the right(albeit many factions of the right seem to be changing on this). I'll finish by saying this is why free speech is insanely important and is the lynchpin of an effective democracy.

[@goosecouple]

Hey, it's okay if you personally choose to be defenseless against criminals. The law won't punish stupidity; but criminals will.

[@jvanlitsenburg]

It’s the person, as a European I agree. Where I live we also have mentally unstable young-adults. The difference is that here they are far less likely to have access to a gun, simply because we have no legal right of ownership.

[@pdphoenix1993]

Gun is not Car . Car is not made for killing but gun is. Still, favouring gun . It is sick .

[@terrencedaniels7482]

Sad to say but this is never, ever, ever going to change in the US unfortunately. People worship the gun over almost all else. It's too ingrained in the culture, people NEED guns and will defend their right to have guns of all types over their right to live in many instances. I mean, there's politicians and people legitimately pushing to arm teachers. This literally sounds like the United States of Afghanistan, except I don't think teachers in Afghanistan are armed but hey. Either way the fact it's even discussed shows to what level the normalization of guns within the American society is. The response is always more guns. Good luck but I really think nothings going to change, we can only hope we don't see more copy cats because there is no way to control it if enough people decide they just want to shoot up a public place, school, place of worship, mall etc. it's an out of control situation that you just hope doesn't erupt.

[@nickbrennan3389]

People in america worship money...and thats a big part of your problem. I lived in america for 2 years, and in my opinion its the craziest country in the world. Ive travelled to over 80 countries in every continent

[@jzen1455]

It's going to take many decades for mass shootings to stop. We just have too many stressed out and alienated Americans who feel hopeless, depressed, hopeless. and meaningless. The solutions need to prevent as many Americans from falling through the cracks into despair.

[@Mercurial.]

@@jzen1455 Actually u have great solid points as WHY these lunatic mental health is NOT OK bec it's linked to no SOCIAL SECURITY in terms of having a chance at life, education system, health care. But all this can't be solved all at once but it can help if America first take their MILITARY and go into folks homes and CONFISCATE all weapons even of takes 5 years to do that. This is a must for America to IMPROVE!

[@joshualeach4259]

@@Mercurial. First, to do what your suggesting would require eliminating the 2nd amendment. And that’s never going to happen. Second, to do that would start an all out war between gun owners and government. Trust me you don’t want that.

[@mytruthslays1303]

We don't worship guns, we simply know what it will take to keep our freedoms while the rest of you are willing to give it away to "safe".

[@rockyoh]

The perpetrator was loner and bullied in school, just like Columbine. I understand teachers and school cannot baby everybody but how many time we will let these tragedies happen before we act on it?

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

The problem is it’s impossible to monitor every child and teenager that is going through rough times. There’s like an average of 5-7 teachers to over 100 students? On top of that you have to consider home life too, that’s something teachers have no control over. For every 1000 students there’s 1 student that is a serious danger.

[@pitpride1220]

The real issue is that the gun lobby decides what happens. I carry and I am willing to admit this. Until the country stops allowing the pursuit of profit to write legislation, kids will bleed. Bunch of kids killed... sells more guns, arguing about gun control and mental health, sells more guns, doing nothing sells more guns. Break the cycle.

[@mytruthslays1303]

@@mitthrawnuruodo1730 agree. His family, local police, and others close to him were just as, if not, more aware about his behavior and mental instability than the school. Many red flags were ignored here.

[@rockyoh]

@@mitthrawnuruodo1730 I understand what you are saying. And I do understand it will be really hard to do this. But blaming on guns or other factor is cheap escape. Bullying is real problem and if you ignore it this is consequence.

[@elauraholydayyy447]

if a teacher has a nurturing heart, they can pick the pain out in a child and work with them. they have to really love to be teacher and posses real values, bc today it is evident, its replete that teachers of a certain elk have agendas. this has got to be brought into check....... unjust the smell of the smoke of confussion, chaos, the devisive divisions......

[@mother4me]

She said something very smart. When you have a car accident you don't think about the make and model of the cars.

[@luisdiaz8140]

Not only certified teachers with CPR also provided schools with AED machines, and finally what about teach our kids about marksmanship what is a gun , the use , consequences and respect of carry a weapon

[@edson.lazaro.realtor]

Since I am a realtor who lives in Europe and works mostly with american expats, I'm just laughing listening to Catalina's arguments. Now I understand why my clients want to run up outta there.

[@iguanaassassin9893]

We hope they do. To think it’s a gun problem and not a psychotropic drug or mental health problem is willful ignorance and we need a lot less of that here. Merica

[@micperez819]

These gun nuts in the United States truly want the country to be a wild west, shoot or be shot

[@minnesnowda2510]

No guns for anyone under 21 unless you are military, something like this makes a lot of sense.

[@bombasticnonsense4247]

Tell that to the 18 year old man with a wife and children who is not in the military or police. Tell him that he can’t protect his family because you are angry and sad.

[@goosecouple]

Where did he get all that money for a rifle and ammos ??? Ammos are expensive !! The shooter was well trained. Who gave the money and training ?? Sounds like Oswald.

[@jasondelaney6849]

@@goosecouple ammos?

[@dsnorcalfan]

@@bombasticnonsense4247 What 18 year old is married and has kids. Stop this nonsense argument.

[@goosecouple]

@@jasondelaney6849 Don't you get it ? Ammos, Ramos.

[@babyyoda6549]

The addiction to guns is much more severe in the United States than any kind of narcotics or drugs you could possibly take that’s how addicted they are to guns

[@toddtheisen8386]

Giving guns to lunatics is a form of lunacy of another kind. Grew up in the Midwest, guns all around. Somehow making money selling firearms became far too important. People are selling guns to folks who should never be getting access to them. Keep going and society will say enough is enough.

[@midnightspares]

FIRST POINT OF ACTION - No NRA lobbyist money to any Government or political member anywhere in America. All political Men & Women from the top, down can no longer take any money from NRA. Then move forward from here. It all starts with Governments.

[@adamgonzalez7450]

How about no lobbyist money from any organization?

[@Hornet135]

The NRA is not what you think it is, and I don’t know what you think this would accomplish.

[@donovanchilton5817]

I love how Democrats think the NRA actually does anything. Ever.

[@egonzalez111]

@@adamgonzalez7450 Exactly!! That's the problem.

[@mytruthslays1303]

The NRA has been an near insignificant for almost 10 years. I know many people like to point at them as the boogeyman, but you are highly incorrect if you think they have ANY blame for this. And no I'm not a member. This is a problem of democrats turning down every single measure everyone else has tried to suggest while screaming nothing is being done.

[@ronaldwilliams9734]

This show would benefit from having two opposing sides on at the same time. It seems like an agenda has been being pushed lately.

[@olgacassara6480]

Great debate, Thank You! If I may add, I would like to see schools that have security systems in place in case there is breaking at night that there have surveillance cameras all around the school perimeter, that there is actually someone checking these cameras, I agree with the guards but that are there to work checking bags, etc. It is concerning to men to visit schools am not see security measures in place. Or they have them only during school hours…. I’ll give a couple of examples, I went to an event at one of the schools in my area, It was a play for three nights in a row, the doors were open to the public, there are no guards at the entrance or in the hallways… I happen to have been volunteering that day, I could have hid in one of the classrooms spend a whole night there, no buddy checked for me if I was a volunteer or not. Also, after school programs for adults, continuing education classes…. There is no one, checking or taking assistance of who comes and goes…. Again, it’s very easy to hide and sit the night. This to me is un believable!!! And I thank God, thank the universe because there are more good people in this world than they are bad, it saddens me and it scares me for my children and our country’s children. It seems to me that whenever this tragic events happen, we all get in protection mode, do this do that, change this… etc but we fall complacent and comfortable and we seem to forget so quickly and don’t continue to enforce our changes and safety measures with the most vulnerable. Please, make a change and keep the change in place! It’s unfortunate but these are the time we live in. We are a at war in our own society. God bless!

[@JR-bw3tr]

Thank you for sharing this topic, my question is? From what I understand by law that all school property doors are to be locked at all times with cameras.... And it seems like there was no one attending the front door when this incident occurred. I know everyone's pointing at gun laws, but where is the responsibility of the school superintendent, security, about making sure the school doors were locked with cameras prior to this event again thank you great topic 🤝

[@Xstevens434]

A car isn’t made for killing. Guns are. No comparison whatsoever.

[@dalkurd1]

That was my thought. I hate that comparison

[@goosecouple]

Guns are not the problem. Look, politicians in government buildings are protected with guns. Banks are protected also with guns. Therefore, schools should also be protected with guns, because children are more important than politicians ! That's why the 2nd Amendment says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Protect yourselves with guns, folks. Don't be defenseless against criminals.

[@manyakus8919]

@@goosecouple no one is against that. But mentally ill and felons should not have the right to just purchase a deadly firearm just because no one wants to compromise. Do you give the keys to your car to someone who hasnt drove in his life? Well same thing for mantally ill people, why would want them to have guns? No logic at all

[@adolfmudau9956]

Imagine if the police cannot control their guns issues with civilians.....what about civilians themselves

[@adolfmudau9956]

The same soldiers who are gonna protect the kids Will kill the kids......they will profile the kids and kill them

[@jeffreyreynolds4732]

Catalina is absolutely Correct with her First Statements. Evil Beget's Evil. Depends on Your Understanding of Spiritual and Religious Study and HOW much Study You've done, there are People who are Born without a Soul or with an Evil Soul. (Don't Hate on Me because I've Studied many Subjects most People have never heard of). My Entire Childhood I NEVER had any Friends. I WAS the Kid EVERYONE Picked on, taunted, physically attacked and then I'd go Home for even worse Psycological and Physical Attacks from my Parents and Siblings. DAILY! I Dreaded Weekends, let me tell You! NOT ONCE! NEVER! The thought of Killing or Hurting anyone NEVER Crossed my Mind! I I'm sure God had to have at least 10 Answering machines for the amount of messages I was sending! Here I am at 55 now, I still Don't Hold Grudges or bring up past Issues with anyone. That's all water Under the Bridge. It's Gone- I don't agree with Everybody flipping out that Society needs to lose Our Freedoms. There is something Unstable Mentally in these People who do these kinds of actions. Parent's for some reason fail to recognize Antisocial behavior. Parents need to be interested enough in their child to daily sit and Converse, pay attention to what Your Child is telling You. Just Be there! As a Society? The Media Must Stop GLORIFYING and giving these Mentally I'll People such a Center Stage Recognition-FOR THE ACT THEY COMMITTED! That recognition is what they NEEDED since Birth that they never got. That Glorification also Inspires the Next Mentally I'll person to think- Heya- I CAN be FAMOUS Too!

[@audreyaloha7749]

I'm sorry you had to get through this. Sending you much love Jeffrey 🙏

[@bryanutility9609]

If the thought of killing people never crosses your mind then by definition you are NOT good. Goodness requires not only the capacity for violence but the temptation.

[@smokescreenstings9683]

Patrick Bet David. I would like to start a podcast and would like help if you're willing and able. I have the mindpower, passion, and charisma. I do however need help in the establishing of it. I was wondering if Valuetainment would be willing to help with the production or at least the help setting up and will offer a percentage of or a contract to return double in return when the podcast is self sustainable. Please Lmk.

[@smokescreenstings9683]

I am alway the helper in my family and friends. When I ask for help from them I always recieve none. I'm just to that point where I'm willing to ask anyone because this is my dream career that I want and the sort of career I want to do until I retire. I only need help with the business and technical ends. I am great at ideas like a comic much like Rogan. Perhaps its being born within 12hrs and having many of the same problems with overcoming self esteem and what our youth and family life aligned. I know I wont be a Joe Rogan. But I do want something that can blossom my life and not be stuck as an employee working minimum wages and no benefits but a 401k. And this is my passion. Speaking with people to find solutions is my passion. I however am too passionate I'm sure any elections i would participate would be rigged to disclude me from running like Tulsi Gabbards run for president went.

[@kes9298]

Did your podcast discuss the buffalo shooting Pat?

[@zach22russell]

131,000 schools in the US 54 Billion dollars Ukraine aid bill 131,000 ÷ 54,000,000,000 dollars = 412,000 to every school for private security or security upgrades. If the government really wanted to stop this they would, but they don't

[@goosecouple]

You forgot. Biden gave $85 Billion worth of weapons to the Taliban.

[@RealAmericanStar]

Bingo

[@robthebankz1]

Yes ! Every school needs boobytraps, tanks and 10 ninjas.....

[@Hedgebets100]

When someone is driving a car they must be legally allowed to drive, hence the lessons and then passing a test before being allowed to drive because a vehicle is such a dangerous weapon in untrained hands. Yet I can walk in and buy a gun with no questions, training, licensing needed. This woman is a fool.

[@dncstudios9004]

Yep, that chick's just another gun nut.

[@Mercurial.]

Thank u man. She's a morron. An absolute evil muppet!

[@MoGilbert]

No she’s not!

[@Malouco]

I wont send my little kid to a school that doesn’t hv a prepared response! Armed teachers or armed security!

[@henryberrios5666]

This podcast has turned into a far right podcast. Patrick knows who his audience is.