Real Time with Bill Maher: Tsarnaev and Islam - April 10, 2015 (HBO)

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Bill Maher and panelists Fareed Zakaria, Ross Douthat and Christina Bellantoni discuss the Tsarnaev conviction and the Muslim faith.
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[@soaringeagle5227]

I'm a Christian Lebanese and I grew up in a predominantly muslim city in Lebanon, Tripoli (not the capital of Libya). I've also read the Qur'an and most of the Hadith in the original Arabic, not some sugar-coated translation written to convert people. I can tell you with confidence that Bill is right about his depiction of Islam and Fareed is a biased muslim. He said he wasn't religious, yet he was so offended by Bill's remarks.

[@smitty347]

The bible is also full of this kind of horrible stuff. People just choose to ignore it. Cherry picking this is called.

[@Rinarina309]

​@@smitty347i live in a supposedly peaceful muslim country. let me tell you, the majority muslim opress the non muslim. The non muslim cant complain if the muslim insult their religion, but they can say anything they want about non muslim l. They can close down churches or temples as they like. So yeah theres no such thing as peaceful islam.

[@smitty347]

@@Rinarina309 yeah I know.

[@alcymuluk8715]

I'm a christian from Indonesia, and I can tell you that being a minority is all sunshine and bunnies here. Laws are increasingly islam "inspired" and, yes, they'll put you in jail if you insult islam.

[@thedirtman00]

+Alcy Muluk I hear they can also put you in jail if you insult Christianity. Is this true? Does this happen?

[@alcymuluk8715]

+thedirtman00 the blasphemy laws theoretically work towards defamation of all of the five official religions of Indonesia: Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism. However, people have to file a charge against the 'blasphemer' and that hasn't happened other than with Muslim groups and that one Buddhist group that filed a charge against Buddha Bar a couple of years back.

[@stza16]

+Alcy Muluk Allah Snackbar

[@williamwang3729]

do they stone people? I know Chinese minority is being killed in a large scale in history.

[@alcymuluk8715]

No, they do not. Total Sharia law goes only for the province of Aceh. And you'll get caned in public there for eating during Ramadhan. Chinese are being on the threshold of being persecuted once again. The Chinese governor of Jakarta will most probably go to jail for allegedly misquoting from the Qur'an. If you ask me he goes to jail because he MENTIONED the Qur'an while being a Chinese christian.

[@ticallionstall]

Fareed reminds me of Cenk Uygur, bringing all his emotional baggage into the discussion of Islam. It suppresses rational thought on this specific subject that both usually apply elsewhere.

[@ififif31]

ticallionstall Good point, I like Cenk Uygur but every time I see him defend his stupid, personal, arbitrary, medieval, religious belief system (that he just so happened to be brought up with), he loses all his credibility to me as a rational, OBJECTIVE, thinker. And as a result I have to run all his new ideas through a special, speculative filter that I usually only reserve for conservative jackasses like Bill O'reilly.

[@IraSpain]

ticallionstall I completely agree! But I found that to be a widespread problem. I had a discussion recently with a highly-educated Muslim male friend of mine who was simply incapable of questioning some aspects of Islam that deny a woman the same right to an individual identity unrelated to marriage and sons born. If intelligent, educated Muslims that live in our societies cannot question and adapt the content of the religion that they follow then where can a positive change come from? (this also applies to any other religion)

[@olie171]

ticallionstall Cenk is a lot worst! That asshole is so biased when it comes to minorities! Because of that he has lost his credibility as a respected journalist.

[@abhi5a]

ticallionstall seems like he made a rational point. if you want someone or a religion to change, you don't achieve that by constantly insulting their faith.

[@danielt.8573]

ticallionstall These people never talk about the billions of followers of christ when they criticize the church and they never ever criticize islam but they always play that card when someone like Bill Maher only mentions facts about their religion. It's also funny how Cenk or Fareed are always non-religious secularists... until islam and only islam is [rightfully] criticized. In other words they're muslims lying about it wich is a muslim doctrine by the way: lying to others in order to make their religion look good.

[@olbear303]

The moderates enable the extremist.

[@AnEvolvingApe]

olbear303 so true... and ridiculing religion is part of the fight for species survival.

[@olbear303]

Couldn't agree more. I'm having a very similar debate on another thread. How Islam demands to not be ridiculed... which is counter productive, because that make me just do it more.

[@AnEvolvingApe]

olbear303 I enjoy force-feeding logic sandwiches down the throats of the brainwashed fools... whenever I play for an audience I normally like to take a moment between songs to talk about the bible... it is so cool to look at people and identify the hate in their eyes when their faith is shit on... not one of those Christian warriors has tried to debate me after my set.

[@olbear303]

An Evolving Ape What do you play? I've been tossing around the idea of getting a alto sax.

[@AnEvolvingApe]

James Crow I see what you mean but I'm opposed to all meta-physical belief systems since they are fundamentally insane.

[@tehkoalainsurgency]

3:13 Zakaria didn't conduct the polls himself so he can't acknowledge what the study indicates about the widespread opinion concerning the punishment for apostasy... Did he really just imply that? I can't digest how lightly he seems to take the studies seconds after he said he doesn't dispute them. I will agree with him that mocking Islam doesn't help reformation within the faith, then again, I don't think anybody is actually saying it will. The bad ideas within the faith lend themselves to mockery, it's a self-inflicted wound, we're just merely pointing them out. No comedic effort required.

[@timothyreigel5004]

***** the history in the 20th century. We have created this Middle East problem because of "oppressive dictators", oil theft, the inability of the U.S. to be a fair arbiter between Israel and Palestine, ect....

[@tehkoalainsurgency]

timothy reigel I'm from Chile, Nixon and Kissinger made sure we were punished for electing a Socialist in the 70s by installing a military dictatorship that killed thousands in the name of Capitalism.... Where are the Chilean terrorists? Do we mistreat gay people? Subjugate women as second class citizens? Do we punish those who want to leave the socialist party, or catholicism for that matter? I think we're well beyond the point of using that terrible excuse.

[@timothyreigel5004]

lol trying to go up against the scholarship of Fareed Zakaria is silly and misguided. Listen to what he is saying...

[@tehkoalainsurgency]

timothy reigel Fareed actually said the silliest thing about the Pew Research polls, he said he doesn't know what the polls suggest about public opinions on Apostasy, because he "didn't conduct the study" himself. LOL wow what a scholarly response. We should not acknowledge what polls indicate unless we replicate the polls ourselves... brilliant LOL. Where does it stop? When every one of us conducts our own polling? Even if this ridiculous assumption became reality there wouldn't be much variation in the results. I can afford to sound silly, I'm just a guy in the comment section. For Fareed it's a luxury he can't afford.

[@timothyreigel5004]

All Fareed is doing is addressing how what Bill does is counter-productive. Bill's rhetoric puts more fuel on the fire.

[@jag5798]

My friend left Indonesia because she couldn’t raise her son as a Christian. People just don’t comprehend that Muslim religion and their law are one in the same. If someone that says they are a moderate Muslim, doesn’t mean they don’t follow their law. Be prepared to be chastised/bullied and arrest you if you offend their religion.

[@Bell_plejdo568p]

Ur so funny ur lying first Indonesia is secular and the even giveners taht are Christian

[@Ardianto25]

keep lying.

[@asefawoldu1777]

bill's honesty is refreshing

[@weaq84]

Asefa Woldu Honesty is a strange choice of word for it.

[@JESUStheATHEIST1]

Warren Q you are correct.he should have said complete honesty.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

Asefa Woldu Refreshing to some, startling to others. We're all supposed to be PC and pretend Islam doesn't glorify murder and subjugation of women.

[@jimjohnston1576]

Asefa Woldu Bill is nothing more than a entertainer some of his thoughts are skewed.

[@asefawoldu1777]

Palace Of Wisdom I respect that Bill Maher doesn't hide the fact that the overwhelming religious fanaticism in present ties have been associated with individuals who practice Islam. Islamic extremist are responsible for unimaginable atrocities against innocent human beings. I agree with Bill Maher that I don't distinguish between those religious extremist who commit the atrocities and those who do not actually commit the atrocities but support it. I know there will be those who point to history and say that there were inhumane crimes committed by individuals in the name of Christianity BUT I am referring to the present not events that occurred several centuries ago. It also reaffirms my belief that the founding fathers of the United States were absolutely right in separating church and state. The problem with countries in which Islam is the dominant religion is that there is no separation of religion and state which makes tolerance of opposing religious views unacceptable. Those who say Islam is a religion of peace are completely divorced from reality.

[@moresnare]

What we all need to realize is this: ALL 'religions' are fucking ridiculous. It's the year 2015, folks... geez...

[@wadeking4054]

***** Or stone the gays, or allow the rapist to pay your dad some money so that he can own you, or that women are men's property, or that a woman should die because she wasn't a virgin when married, or that Jesus had to die so that your sins are forgiven but blood sacrifices are signs of witchcraft, or that humans are inherently sinful and will go to hell, or that a place of eternal torture exists, or that God will damn you with eternal sin for eating a fucking apple, or that every animal on earth deserves to die because humans are sinful, or that non-believers should be killed, or that a father should be willing to sacrifice his son at God's command. All of that we should happy and willign to do. Let's support ideologies that are completely hypocritical, or at least support ideologies that have lost most of their hypocrisy due to secular thought. Let's say religion should be considered good because humanity's need to survive had an influence on the beliefs of certain ideologies. Let's not give any credit to nature, and only give the credit to an ideology created to suppress the masses so that rulers could rule with an iron fist over their subjects.

[@sheriwhispers]

***** Good for you, I like to see non believing folks make their stand. Be well advised tho there is still a heaven to gain an a hell to shun. An you can go to hell as if I give shit or should .

[@sojiro856]

***** That is a rather simplistic approach... :/ Seems anyone, even atheists, can make a god or idol out of anything or anyone. You cam become a slave to your own motivations and ideals. There are some cases where people "find God" and are more free than they were during their nonreligious days. Humanity can be so simple yet complex.

[@joshgrey3616]

>2015 >refers to the year based on a religious ideology of the time of the world Nice bro you really proved you point now if you were actually smart instead of a sheep following what you leftist parents say at dinner you could possibly make an argument for why religion is bad and how atheism is better in any way or how atheism is not a religion itself?

[@sheriwhispers]

Josh Grey Are you insane we roll by a Roman calendar not Biblical

[@smitty2868]

First time I've seen Fareed lose his cool.

[@poonamabbi7448]

smitty2868 you tell the truth without covering it, he can't take it... for you have made it clear that you have seen through his facade... that is why he lost his cool...

[@Dazbog373]

Poonam Abbi he lost his cool because bill maher's a bigoted racist!

[@timothyreigel5004]

DarKool81 lol "lost his cool" in a good way.

[@FireflyFalafel]

DarKool81 Islam isn't a race. Idiot.

[@Dazbog373]

FireflyFalafel Here's an idea: go fuck yourself!

[@huethen5454]

Fareed is better in defending Islam than that batman

[@danielnatzke6733]

As well as better than Reza Aslan can.

[@omarsabih]

Reza Aslan is from a very influential Islamist family. That guy is cancer.

[@ricky5369]

I came here for Fareed

[@yogeshaher7384]

😀😀😀😀

[@hamzaakhtar9980]

Ben Aflek was defending Islam with little knowledge of Islam, but with good intentions. We should respect the fact that didn't chose to side with bill maher and the islamphobes.

[@aran-xo1uk]

Zakaria didn't even take on the argument itself, just the effectiveness of raising it.. beside mentioning Indonesia.. Indonesia : Invaded christian east Timor and killed 200,000 people in the name of Islam Has 80% Female Genital mutilation Persecution of the Ahmdiya (only truly) reformed Islamic sect has full sharia law implemented in some areas, right now, there's atheists on death row in Indonesia ! Please, stop with the "but Indonesia is cool" defense

[@Ficktao]

aran9901 Besides, apart from the violence, Indonesians are completely fucked up when it comes to sex, relationships and the dynamics between men & women - as they are in all Islamic societies. Those things will not ever make the news of course.

[@aran-xo1uk]

boomtao are gender issues in Indonesia different then the Philippines, or Vietnam ?

[@Ficktao]

aran9901 I don't know those Countries. However, judging by the religious statistics, it shouldn't be as bad. The Philippines is mostly catholic - not very conducive for a healthy sex mentality, but it shouldn't be as fucked up as the muslim countries. Still, the Philippines have somewhere between 5 - 11% muslims. Vietnam, should be pretty cool when it comes to sex, relationships and gender dynamics: Indegenous mother goddesses, Taoism and Buddhism.

[@416mcp]

aran9901 I did not know that. Someone posted to me on youtube that its getting worse in India now. The muslims are recruiting people for isis. The person said he/she was from India. Don't know if its true

[@yazanessa1979]

aran9901 ehh same with christian invasions probably worse

[@1894db]

I don't think maher's message is even for the extremists, It's more for Liberals that tolerate bigoted ideas with the excuse that its the culture.

[@WookieeWarrior3000]

100% I think it's more of a free speech issue for him

[@BellaSC]

Fareed missed the point, societies practicing Islam like Indonesia that are NOT speaking out against the militants makes them complicit in the violence of the religion. If your religion promotes violence against another and you are stand silent you are in effect offering your support of that violence. Religious differences are the cause of many wars and fights, Protestant/Catholic, Shiite/Sunni, Gaza War, Syria, Sudan, Lebanon, Nigeria, WWII, 30yr war, 80 yr war, Crusades, truly the list is endless...

[@billiondollarbull]

BellaSC Typical ignorant westerner, making assumptions of an entire country before even visiting it. I'm Indonesian and our media has full coverage of what's happening in the middle east. There is a huge opposition of ISIS. WE ARE CONSTANTLY SPEAKING AGAINST ISIS. Of course we are not going to send troops to Syria anytime soon. Why should we? We have far bigger problems that pose as a bigger threat to the country than ISIS. The fact is, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, and Hindus live in harmony in Indonesia. What poses as the biggest threat in Indonesia is modern-day american capitalism rather than islam fundamentalism. Papua (an Island in Indonesia) has the largest gold mine in the world. Hundreds of thousands of indigenous papuans have been massacred for fighting for independence. They want Indonesia out because they feel their land is being degraded. What do you think is fuelling this occupation? Islam or American Capitalism? Tens of kilometres from my house, there are numerous of clothing factories. Workers are being payed as little as $150/month. What do you think is fuelling this slavery? Islam or American Capitalism? Kalimantan (an island in Indonesia) is home to one the richest forrest in the world. Mass deforestation is happening, contributing to global warming, loss of biodiversity and the displacement of indigenous people. Who is behind this? Multinational companies or Islam Fundamentalist? Indonesian politicians are among the most corrupt in the world. Who are lobbying these politicians to fuck up the country even more? Capitalist or Jihadist? Truly the list is endless.

[@theXb0yz]

BellaSC lol... WWII???? what world was that war fought on?

[@SohanDsouza]

Troll Alexander Aan must find your portrayal of Indonesia so very comforting.

[@BellaSC]

You would be wrong to assume I am a typical "westerner". You have no clue about my my passport, my travels, or my nationality. You make a lot of assumptions. I do find it interesting you're slamming westerners yet here you are expressing your views freely without fears on an "western" website. Kind of ironic.

[@donedeal7751]

BellaSC DOES YOUR DADDY OWN THIS WEBSITE?

[@robvangessel3766]

I think BOTH Fareed and Bill make good points. Fareed is addressing the practical reality of language you choose in any hope of changing the extremes of Islam. Bill seemed to miss this. Fareed, in turn, seemed to miss Bill's point that while, no, many Muslims may not themselves kill a Salman Rushdie, they WOULD feel approving of the action if someone else DID. To this extent, Bill makes a good point, and I don't think Fareed picked up on it.

[@tormentorox1]

Thats usually every debate on this show. They sometimes think theyre In more disagreement than they actually are or they dont understand the argument the other si trying to make.

[@bkrider19]

Shocked to hear Bill Maher complain to Fareed Zakaria, "That's insulting." Seriously Bill? After the decades of your religious dedication to free-whelming, no-PC-zone criticism of anyone and anything? You can dish it out but can't take it? I agree with Bill's criticism of Islamic culture in part, but it seems he is becoming a bit closed-minded, nay fanatical. Zakaria should have said: Look, the Old Testament has similar extreme laws against homosexuality, adultery, etc. but we have seen the Jewish community evolve, so why don't we give the vast majority of Muslims the same freedom to evolve rather than condemn them all in the same basket as terrorists.

[@bkrider19]

That's what Hitler said of the Jews. Meanwhile the clock is ticking down not because of Muslims but because of nuclear weaponry, most of which is in the hands of Christians.

[@americanliberal09]

But the problem is that Christians don't take the bible word for word whereas the vast majority of Muslims do. Sorry, but Christianity will never be on the same level compared towards islam, though.

[@CUMBICA1970]

I'm on Bill's side on this one. I live in Japan and surprisingly there are lots of Iranians living here (later I learned they get Japanese VISA more easily because Japan is heavily dependent on Iranian oil) and I work with quite a few of them. One time I was discussing with some of them about the murder of the Japanese translator of "Satanic verses" and boy they got real fanatic (one of them even said, or shouted, he would have gladly done himself.) For the record, the Japanese translator was murdered in the university campus where he was a professor. It's a confined environment so the Japanese police pretty much knew who was the murderer (a Bangladeshi student who flew the country the very next day of the murder) but let him escape for fear of starting a Jihad. Still to this date it's the big taboo in the media to even discuss the matter (you will find very little info even in the Wikipedia.)

[@nathanc30]

Hitoshi Igarashi?

[@470575]

I understand many people don't like maher and disagree with his ideas. But it is refreshing to see guests be able to challenge the hosts ideas without being cut off or yelled at. Much like other networks

[@amirmahdi.latifi]

I'm a Muslim. I live in Iran which it's government is a radical establishment. This is a problem.The solution is not some westerns clapping and joking Islam, The solution is me and hundreds of millions of Muslims who are nor radical and they are the only people who can bring peace to Muslim World. This is the truth if you believe it or not. But keep applauding Maher and still the people who are doing the real fight against ISIS are Muslims, Muslims you make fun of and want to destroy their religion. If they stop fighting ISIS, They're gonna be on your doorstep within a week.

[@nico_rico3185]

Amir Mahdi Latifi 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ethanconnor7530]

Bill Maher's audiance will clap for anything .

[@bloodandwinearered]

A very interesting debate. I have been to Jakarta, Indonesia. I sure didn't see any "happy" people there. What a depressing place.

[@afroman4035]

How do you define happiness?

[@moritlh]

@@afroman4035 people not nearly staving to death. There's plenty of that in Jakarta

[@humanonearth1]

@@moritlh Ever visited the USA?

[@humanonearth1]

@Phoenix Wrong.

[@humanonearth1]

@@moritlh Tons of poverty in the US and there's also that thing where you or your kids might die from a mass shooting every month or so...So get off the high horse, the US is rich in some ways and totally f'd in others.

[@moyo2850]

"I don't know because I did not conduct those" studies. Zakaria has never once ever stated this same thing on any other subject. He often has world stats from these same people on his program, yet it is only when he doesn't like them that he holds them to such a impossibly high standard.

[@OtherM112594]

*Fareed Zakaria may very well be my new hero. His well argued points and extremely rational refutations of Bill Maher's fallacious scorched earth tactic of condemning all Muslims are totally in accordance with my beliefs on the matter. Disparaging all of the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims for their because of the actions of a minority of extremists is absolutely asinine. War, corruption, colonialism, and instability have more to do with terrorism in the Arab world than Islam alone. Indonesia is a fine tourist destination and a relatively stable and populous nation primarily comprised of Muslims. Yet extremism isn't an issue there. Could it have something to do with the fact that a massive destabilizing western clusterfuck of an invasion never occurred there? I elect to think so! Thank you Fareed, Easily the smartest guy to be on the Real Time panel in quite a while!*

[@Rooarback]

OtherM112594 Indonesia just banned beer. Slippery slope.

[@AwesomeEmir]

Rooarback A mere 100 hundred years ago, America banned beer too. Has America devolved into becoming a terrorist nation? Of course not; come on now.

[@hasnatibrahim7994]

OtherM112594 Bill is not talking about 1.6 billion Muslims. He's Talking about the ideologies of Islam. And the myth of tiny radical muslims has been debunked ages ago. *watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg* Also, extremism isn't an issue in Indonesia? Seriously? A quick google search on *Indonesian Islamic Extremism* shows news after news about growing terrorism in Indonesia. Could it have something to do with the fact that... I don't know, *ISLAM?* Try harder. Your whitewashing of Islam with lies ins't working for me.

[@TheTwister821]

OtherM112594 It's not gonna happen..In this day & age of information..Religion..which is based on ancient superstition..therefore is an erosion of progress..doesn't deserve respect..

[@OtherM112594]

Hasnat Ibrahim A quick Google search of Christian extremism in the US and Jewish extremism in Israel will probably yield similar results. That doesn't mean you just insensitively disparage all those who just go about their lives and happen to be religious. So your is what again?

[@zpitfiyer]

I like Bill and Fareed. Amazing discourse. They should do this very often. I LOVE IT. LOVE IT.

[@davidamoon4]

Fareed finally brings some meaning to the phrase "Real Time."

[@thebitun10]

This is the issue with Maher: "I'm starting with the truth" Zakaria: "truth is you're not helping, just gaining infamy" Maher: "that's hurtful"

[@ramonalejandrosuare]

My problem with Maher's critique is even deeper than Zakaria's. It goes without saying that he is a media whore entertainer masquerading as a public intellectual. My issue is that his simplistic generalizations about Islam amount to little more than thinly veiled cultural racism with little consideration of historical context or sociological nuances. Maher is a citizen of a country whose elected leader waged an illegal war costing a minimum of half a million people their lives - the same leader who claimed that he made such a decision because his Christian God gave him the go ahead. Is Maher willing to consider Christianity a hotbed of bad ideas because of Bush's immoral act? I may be wrong but I've never heard him go that far. It seems as if all nuance goes out the door when one form of religious terrorism is perpetrated on us while we never apply the same standards to ourselves. And to me the answer for this is simple - such standards are grossly unfair and very simplified. The invasion of Iraq was no mere product of Bush's messianic Christian worldview than the Boston Marathon bombings were a mere product of Tsarnaev's Islamic radicalism. There are deeper historical and personal contexts that have to be considered.

[@ramonalejandrosuare]

***** Since you know so much please educate me.

[@jennamarcus4283]

Ramon Suarez You are 100% right. However, I don't think we'll ever hear that in this country where ignorant, often bigoted people with false western beliefs control the media.

[@kellyoxo2818]

Ramon Suarez maybe but I get a lot of questions about what my religion is because of my last name and most of them happen to be muslim. I think you're all a bit naive. Honestly, it freaks me out….I would like to point out that some of my relatives have been here since the Ice Age =D. I would also like to point out that there is no fringe Catholic group or Jewish community that I can write to that would give me instructions on building a bomb. That I am aware of.

[@ramonalejandrosuare]

Kelly oxo "I would also like to point out that there is no fringe Catholic group or Jewish community that I can write to that would give me instructions on building a bomb. That I am aware of." Let us say this is correct. Does it mean that such a reality is the necessary logical upshot of being a Muslim? Or are the other deeper factors at play?

[@ramonalejandrosuare]

Scott Stapp Not only does it have the same implications, but one could argue its even worse. Bush messianic Christian mission in the Middle East is responsible for far many more deaths than any radical Islamist terror attack.

[@OddityDK]

"Those countries are not stoning people to death". No because in the countries you mentioned Islam isn't in full control, if it were they sure as hell would. The only reason we aren't still burning witches and heretics in Europe, is because religion lost the total control it had in the dark ages. “Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.” - Christopher Hitchens.

[@AK-di4rv]

Fareed: You're saying that for applause lines. Bill: I'm butt hurt. :-(

[@RuudGerrevink]

Dear Fareed, you are straw manning. When we say that a religion is a bad idea, we do not say that the religious are bad people. We are saying, religion makes good people do bad things.

[@eropa11]

I am with Bill. If there is a bad idea state it as a bad idea weather it offends 100 people or 1.5 Billion. I disagree with Farid. There is verse in Quran : "Jews and Christians are the vilest among all creatures" During my discussion with so called moderate Muslims they state this verse was only valid for short time during Muhammad's time, in another words it does not mean what it says today. These type of Muslims are reformed already, at least when it comes to this Verse. The Misguided Muslims take this on its face value and treat Jews and Christians accordingly. When Bill calls the idea above as "Bad idea" it offends moderate Muslims because it does not mean what it says therefore its not a " Bad idea " but they don't want to kill Bill for saying it. The misguided Muslims get offended as well because the idea come from their Allah and Bill is waging a war against Allah and his messenger therefore he should be killed. Quran 98.6 :Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

[@jattz4lyfe]

Saying Islam is a motherload of bad ideas is a understatement but looking at Christianity and some other religions they aren't all great ideas either. In stead of focusing on combatting religion combat the culture. It all comes down to where u live and Wat culture ur exposed to. And yes bill I think u do say stuff like that for attention.

[@TalonsOfFire]

Bill and Fareed are actually both right. Good segment.

[@AllIsWellaus]

Good on him for calling Bill out on this. He was bloody rude how he introduced him, a guest. For the record I'm also an atheist, and anyone with an ounce of intelligence, can see that this isn't how to open dialogue over a potentially loaded subject. Bill. Not smart on this.

[@matthewrooyakkers6947]

I was just in Indonesia four weeks ago and can tell you Fareed is wrong. Fareed like so many other Muslims allows his own cultural bias to affect his judgement.

[@plonkies]

terus lo udah ngerti tentang indonesia?

[@chris14091975]

this was the best debate I have seen in a long time. I though fareed and bill really represent the two ways we see islam. i think both guys are intellectually honest but see it differently

[@winwinmoron]

I think FZ went to different Indonesia with the one I know.

[@ivanjaksic2892]

What kind of indonesia do u know?

[@snellatlums]

Whatever happened to cultural relativism and to not speaking down to other people and being condescending about their ways of life? Whatever happened to believing it's not okay to call other people primitive?

[@khalifaduaij3008]

bittercottoncandy no you have no right to question other people way of living, and there's no such thing as "better culture" what you may see as wrong other may see as right, and every culture is built in within its own environment and land. for example muslims don't drink alcohol and they think its a sin, you on the other hand don't mind alcohol, but do you have the right to tell muslims they are wrong for following what they believe in??

[@khalifaduaij3008]

Raul Pinto I don't live in the west, I live in kuwait. and its not difficult to deny it since my "small muslim country" have a good education system, liberal government ,good economy , jobs and salaries. my country is no different than any developed country in the west even though we have 100% different culture and religion. because there is no such thing as superior culture, humans are humans wherever they are. saudi arabia is a corrupt state, not because of its culture but because of its corrupt government and king, on the other hand my country share the exact same culture as saudi arabia and yet we are more developed than them... thats a proof that there's no such thing as "superior culture"

[@jagathmithya719]

Khalifa duaij Let us not beat about the bush. So, do you not follow Islam 100% as prescribed?

[@leqaf]

Gradiator Do you really believe that? If there's a culture that treats its women like second class citizens and its gay people like they're abominations, we should tolerate it because it's not our culture?I think you're the perfect definition of "far left".

[@switchbladefights82]

Gradiator Because cultural relativism can become hypocritical & a double standard. It's not ok when we do it, but ok if they do it. It can also be racist... their actions are excused or overlooked because thats how they act.

[@99bboobb1]

Bill you say things for applause. You are a commedian

[@EpicBeard815]

Apparently everyone in the youtube comments is an expert.

[@khaymari]

It may have sounded insulting to Bill, but Fareed was fucking right :)...

[@ryan0883926]

beka najm no

[@IraSpain]

beka najm Ehm...no.

[@TheTruthMattersTheLastSt-nu9xv]

Fuck you

[@hellario2]

beka najm It's not Bill's crusade to reform Islam. He's an atheist, he'd rather point out why that and all other religions are wrong than to try and reform them to worship the magic man in the sky better. To say that Bill only says what he does for applause IS insulting, though. He promotes his point of view and the applause is simply a by-product of people agreeing with him. He's said plenty of things that even his own audience groaned at, so he's not there to play to their preferences. Bill's exactly right that it's not his job. It's Muslims' job to reform their own religion into something that doesn't commit atrocities, let alone violence, so often in its name.

[@Raphanne]

beka najm No, if Bill did it for applause, he would pick another subject. He gets a lot of backlash on this topic. At least give him some credit and see that he does it because he is a liberal, and he stands up for liberal ideas.

[@danumba1drumma]

Zakaria's response is truly great and exposes Bill's true nature.

[@TJ-fe7rr]

6:22 "they feel like their religion is being insulted" Bill should have jumped in and said " I am insulting their religion, because it's fuckin crazy"

[@KL00100]

Bill is correct and Fareed is not answering the question.

[@JEL1219L]

K Lor What question is he not answering?

[@JasonGafar]

K Lor ...if only we could answer controversial issues like this in university...

[@TheWebsOfCorruptionNeverFail]

TheAzeri77 "Mi POLICAL views"? Sorry are you arab or Asian....cos....................OHHHH!!! Ofcourse! (All hail Supreme Leader KIM and all his allies). tSo tolly fol miss-unda-stan-Ding teh oderls, supleme leadel!!

[@TheWebsOfCorruptionNeverFail]

TheAzeri77 Yes I have questions :- 1. how many keyboards have you beheaded/executed till date. 2. Melody itna chocolaty kyu hai?(y melody so chocolaty) 3. Are rusiians europeans or asians? 4. Do you know that joke when Allah, (a) hoe, n Akbur walk into a pub?

***** how come you have not answer my questions ,what are you afriad of ? do n't you know about freedom of speech ? lets do it . if I am wrong , show me the facts ! you got to be a man . do not behave like a coward.

[@kibbi500]

He’s right. He’s not doing anything. He’s not changing anything. He’s just saying things. Just insulting.

[@seibrav]

You don't change anything by not speaking to truth. Islam is the motherload of bad ideas. And how can you reform Islam when Muslims consider the Qur'an to be the immutable, inerrant, eternal word of Allah?

[@juhebhassan2617]

Fareed Zakaria is the best!!!!

[@spaceghost1421]

Intriguing deliberation. How about coming to space for an interview?

[@Dazbog373]

preach Fareed!

[@Anans1_Spyd3r]

I studied Indonesian culture relating to religion; there are extremists and honour killings. Ultimately the funniest thing about when people play this card, Islam in Indonesia is mixed in certain areas with the pre-existing cultural beliefs, which are extremely progressive like having 5 genders or accepting homosexual relationships (under certain conditions). Indonesia is the way it is not because of moderate Islam but the popularity of pre-existing religious traditions.

[@lansiman]

indonesia muslim live happily with minority,what a bloody bullcrap i'm used to be among the minority group in indonesia,and the discrimination is extremely obvious to the point of feeling hostile in your own coutnry

[@plonkies]

BULLSHIT

[@falkenvir]

what discrimination?

[@maya-tm6jc]

Falken Vir Muslim are being put in concentration camps is China India and Myanmar and it’s call cause of idiots like you

[@no40acresandamuleforyou.47]

@@falkenvir , a few years ago a Indonesian politician said it was okay for muslims to vote for a christian. This politician was sentenced to 2 years in prison for blasphemy.

[@falkenvir]

@@no40acresandamuleforyou.47 he was imprisoned for blatantly lying in the name of religion while promoting HIMSELF while on state duty....

[@Gestureye7x]

Fareed Zakaria countered his argument successfully. He offered a great perspective to consider.

[@TheMrpalid]

Bill keeps quoting the same Peugh Poll You can’t explain a very complex issue by constantly quoting one poll which could be confounded by a variety of reasons

[@alvincay100]

Fareed Zakaria is right that telling them Islam sucks wont lead to reform. And Bill Maher is right that Islam does suck. I find myself to be more aligned with Maher though: I'm too impatient to lie publicly and pretend Islam is wonderful all while secretly hoping one day it will reform.

[@mrizvi500]

I am a strict Muslim and I openly denounce ISIS and extremism. Islam itself is peaceful but extremist people manipulate certain verses of the Quran to justify their agenda. They take verses out of context, such as this one: "Kill them wherever you find them" (chapter 2, verse 190-192). If you look at the verse right before it, it says: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you but do not transgress limits; for God loves not the transgressors." The phrase "those who fight you" implies that Jihad is supposed to be defensive (every human has the right to self defense), and never offensive. Take a look at the following verses of the Quran: “God does not forbid you regarding those who don’t fight you for your religion nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for God loves those who are just. God only forbids you regarding those who fight you for your religion and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them. It is such that turn to them that do wrong.” [Quran, Chapter 60, Verse 8] In chapter 22 verse 40, the Quran orders Muslims to defend churches, synagogues, and monasteries! The Quran is the highest authority in Islam, and it orders Muslims to be kind towards non-Muslims and condemns violence.

[@Howhaveyouben]

Muhammad Rizvi So if someone hurts your feelings with cartoons you can kill them... Fucking peace keepers over here...

[@HolidayRanker]

Muhammad Rizvi Both the Qu'ran and the Hadiths endorse sex slavery, public amputation and public whippings. All of that is illegal today and is the very opposite of peaceful. Fanatics like ISIS, Boko Haram and Al Shabaab are citing those exact things while they are amputating limbs or taking the Yazidi's as sex slaves. Both the Qu'ran and Hadith are completely redundant in the modern world; leave 7th century fantasy books whose commands are illegal behind Muhammad

[@amuslimguy]

Jack Tillman And the rest of the Muslims (including their..ahem..SCHOLARS) use that SAME Quran and Hadith to CONDEMN ISIS, Boko Haram and their ilk. Since when do extremists get to determine what normative Islam teaches?? And why would someone like you believe them?

[@jagathmithya719]

Muhammad Rizvi "Fight in the cause of God.." to KILL? I am flabbergasted! What kind of fools will subscribe to this? So this God is not the all knowing all poweful one, they keep on bombarding us with! He needs foot soldiers to preserve his integrity (which the Kafirs are constantly undermining). If He is such a weak God then my God is definitely superior beecause he hardly cares about such non-issues. Muslims should realise that if they believe in such nonesense, then someday they will face great danger, as others are not fools without means.

[@Howhaveyouben]

amuslimguy Salman Rushdie? and How many of those SCHOLARS are WOMEN?

[@robertstewart239]

Fareed is right. I get where he is coming from. I grew up in Glasgow.

[@Martoto94]

This Fareed guy made some real sense. The biggest point is though that Muslims aren't the issue, it's Arabs. You don't see muslim fanatics causing havoc in countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, heck even the muslim countries in Central Asia. Even in Iran they seem to be more tolerant compared to, say, Saudi Arabia. You find those dangerous fanatics only in Arab countries. But saying that Arabs are the problem is too risky. Bill prefers to be labeled as a bigot rather than as a racist.

[@alcymuluk8715]

Fareed knows nothing about Indonesia. I'm a Christian from Indonesia and I can tell you that you Indonesia right now is not safe from extremists. There are jihadists camps throughout the country. Madrasha teach that people should enforce the sharia. There is no free speech as you know it in the west. You'll get thrown into jail if you're an atheist. You cannot marry outside your religion. All laws are inspired by islam. Women get less benefits than men. The third biggest party is an islamist party linked to the muslim brotherhood. And then there are again provinces who uphold sharia laws.

[@kvinlo1]

+Mart kenyon Over the years, Malaysia has slowly been sliding towards Islamism. You'd think as time progresses, with more youngsters around, people would get more liberal, but nope. The Islamic party here is pushing for full sharia law which includes amputations and stoning. Rewind back to the 60's, Muslims were drinking alcohol and enjoying life with their non Muslim counterparts. Oh how far Malaysia has fallen.

[@das52]

+Alcy Muluk so how come your still alive and kicking and a lawyer! fool some one else mate

[@Robert_Martyr_deSaLem_Oregon]

+Mart kenyon = IDIOT!!! HOW ABOUT IRAN & the TALIBAN of Afghan & Pakistan ???? Ohhh!!!!! But you think that THEY are ARABS!!!! OK!!!!

[@vinaynk]

Fareed, you failed to understand a simple truth - "Shame is a great motivator"

[@maven12LA]

I agree with fareed you can't reform something by attacking it. People are just going to get more defensive about it and fight back harder. (Hence, how war usually starts)

[@LeviDanielBarnes]

Bill Maher: That's insulting that I would say something just for the laugh Internet:

[@RamaLama1313]

Fareed Zakaria is the absolute best

[@ArnellaMaturin]

He's a comedian! It's not his job to reform a religion; it is his job to make fun of it.

[@RocketUsa]

Fareed is one of the smartest and professional news person I had ever seen.

[@judoyodan]

Fareed Zakaria is normally a thoughtful and intelligent person - not so on this show.

[@phdamerica4803]

Welcome to America Bill. You have the freedom to FEEL insulted or FEEL intellectually enlightened and appreciative when Fareed Zakaria tells you THE TRUTH.

[@carisv2834]

I absolutely love Fareed Zakaria.

[@mymmym123456789]

Fareed Zakaria won

[@Social_Mechanic]

They had a great panel this show

[@yogeshaher7384]

Need to watch the full show.

[@bourne2crimson397]

Man, Christopher was right. These seals clap for anything 🤣

[@nicksmith3746]

Fareed, Indonesia? Does he not know about the Bali bombings in 2002 and 2005?! Does he not know that in Pakistan the penalty for blasphemy is death? And this punishment actually gets carried out? India is predominantly a Hindu country, hence the split in 1947 when Muslims when to Pakistan and Hindus moved to India.

[@bobmarley9905]

Zakaria's argument here didn't age well after the whole Nupur Sharma fiasco in India

[@BatmanHQYT]

I'm with Bill in terms of his positions but Fareed was far better in his delivery here

[@maxpj]

Fareed and Bill were having a great intelligent discussion, then that other guy came in and gave some incoherent nonsense

[@jackk7116]

I enjoy Bill's show for the entertainment value but he's just not informed enough to be taken seriously on Islam or fundamentalism.

[@QMPhilosophe]

Fareed's comments should be heard by everyone. Good for him for pointing out what should be obvious.

[@SnoopyDoofie]

Fareed sees things in color. Maher sees only in black and white. Maher is popular with the media, but Fareed is more articulate and factual.

[@randomdude2789]

Prophet Muhammad: "Do good unto the one who has wronged you." [Kanz Al-Fawaid, V. 2, P. 31] Prophet Muhammad: "Shall I inform you of something that holds a higher status than fasting, praying, and giving charity? It is to make peace among people." [Kanz Al-Umal, No. 5480] Prophet Muhammaad: "The cruelest of people is he who kills someone other than his killer, or hits someone other than one who hits him." [Amali Al-Saduq, P. 28, No. 4] Prophet Muhammad was once asked what faith was, to which he replied: "Forbearance." [Musakkin Al-Fu'ood, No. 47] Prophet Muhammad: "The salutation of peace is the greeting towards members of our own creed and an extension of safety towards people of other religions living in our lands." [Kanz Al-Umal, No. 25242] Prophet Muhammad: "Be careful about the plea of one who has been wronged, even if he be a disbeliever, for verily there is no veil preventing his plea from being answered (by God)." [Kanz Al-Ummal, No. 7602]

[@Bobbythrobby]

Finally, thank you fareed for explaining why bill's same criticisms are used to get cheap laughs and he can't qoute that one survey every time. He literally took the words out of my mouth.

[@seanpeters5579]

This Fareed Zakaria is pretty on point.

[@jaredt.5930]

This is one of the few times I will agree with Bill Mahr.

[@sinisterkiid2301]

I'm not a Muslim at all. Actually, I'm the opposite (Christian) anyways, I don't agree with anything in the muslin belief, but it is wildly disrespectful and horrible dishonorable to say the things Bill Mahr says day after day. Still can't believe he still has a show

[@irasnopas4112]

Fareed Zakaria, the voice of reason.

[@justraphael6653]

Religious extremism of any kind is dangerous. Rather than bashing Islam because of ISIS they should talk about the people who are suffering in Iran and Syria because of ISIS and Boko Haram.

[@shareefalee7657]

fareed did great by telling bill the truth of the matter

[@jbordes85]

its refreshing for fareed to finally call maher out on whats he's actually all about. he's the liberal version of bill o'riley.

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

Josh Bordes Do you get offended by everything?

[@jbordes85]

***** No. Anything else?

[@phillipcollins3288]

Josh Bordes In what sense is he the liberal version of O'Reilly?

[@user-zf1gk3iv3u]

So true lol. Liberal Bill O Reily. Except he doesn't seem to be a liberal to me.

[@jbordes85]

Rose R And just like Bill isn't a true conservative either.

[@hadif786]

Bill Maher got bodied!

[@zacharycaruso2935]

Lol watch this again

[@michaelcheptarus9478]

bill maher met his match.

[@mikeenwright333]

1) There's a difference between a belief system and a person. Some people find it difficult to make the distinction. Pointing out the absurdities and atrocities proffered by a belief system is not the same thing as denigrating a person. It's the same mistake that Ben Afleck made and I think it's dishonest for otherwise intelligent people to pretend that a belief and a person are one and the same. 2) Bandwagon fallacy: If 1.6 billion people believe in a bad idea, it's still a bad idea. The number of adherents to a bad idea doesn't make it a good idea. It's also important to point out that whilst not every believer is devoted to the same degree, it is the acceptance of the premise of the bad idea that makes the atrocities possible and It's perfectly ok to use various means to expose the absurdities and atrocities of religion and Comedy is a pretty effective way of doing that. 3) There are any number of ways that bad ideas can be dismantled and reformed. Comedy, social commentary and high brow discussion are but 3. To say that any single approach is wrong is in itself pretty arrogant and stupid. (Remember that we're only using words here and no-one is getting decapitated... oops) 4) Not everyone has access to all types of material: Some people may only have access to brief youtube clips and that may be enough to stimulate the process of questioning their beliefs. 5) People respond to things in different ways and who's to say what causes a person to begin to question their beliefs? Comedy and ridicule may be effective and so could discussion but could an Atheist be persuaded to believe in a god by discussion? 6) There's also the danger that using "high brow" discussion in an attempt to reform religion, may only serve to "legitimize" the bad idea. To make it seem as if the bad idea has merit in the real world. When creationists try to introduce "Intelligent Design" into the classroom by insisting that it should be taught side-by-side with Evolutionary Biology, the scientific community had to stand together in pointing out the idiocy in creationism, otherwise it would have appeared to the casual onlooker as if Intelligent design has a degree of scientific value.

[@newdude50]

On issues of foreign policy, I trust Fareed's judgement more than Bill Maher. Sorry Bill, I think Fareed made some excellent points.

[@nat00ben06]

Love Fareed he's awesome but I beg to differ.

[@annaporna9644]

When one 1 guy do something irrational he is stupid, when billions of people do something irrational is religion.

[@mohamedihsan123]

guys as a Muslim I may not agree with bill bit I understand his point but saying Islam is the motherboard of bad ideas.he says that beheading gays etc is wrong in England a Christian soilder was murdered for being a homesexual bill get your facts right mate.

[@RebelThoughts82]

Bill Maher destroyed Fareed.

[@Dominican-cx8ny]

One of the very few times you'll see Maher's crowd behind someone he's opposing.

[@rahattori]

We can all agree to disagree on many points, but how can we join together to understand?

[@shaikimranimmu9122]

Where can i watch the whole video friends?

[@cmbrn8315]

Bill should call guests like Zakaria when he gets older

[@JasonGafar]

Huge respect gained for Fareed for not letting that atrocious ignorant comment made by Maher slide. I love Bill Maher however I find when it comes to certain things such as Islam, he is not only highly uninformed, but very disrespectful. If you take issued with the tenants of Islam, that is totally fine however go about it in a more respectful way. I would never insult another religion or culture no matter how much I disagreed with it.

[@Lelarekic]

Great Zakaria 👍 your explanation 👏 I love at ty

[@gunz300]

"Very few bad apples." Somebody is not in touch with reality. There's more than just a few.