Subaru Outback XT vs Volvo V60 Cross Country Comparison / Second Thoughts

[@Realistick]

Because some seem confused on this, I should have talked about Volvo's current owner and how the company is STILL Swedish. Volvo is designed and run by the swedes and most are still built in Sweden or Belgium (Headquarters are in Sweden, XC90 and S60 are made in America). THEY ARE owned by a Chinese holdings company but they were also owned by Ford before that, that doesn't mean they fired their staff and started building trucks with built-in guns. Fwiw, Subaru is owned by their own Japanese conglomerate, but the Outback is built in Indiana.

[@hhlol9477]

Exactly, just like we won’t consider Jaguar & Land Rover as Indian cars, although the company is owned by the Indian

[@OzBloke]

Subarus are built in Indiana only for the US and Canada Markets. We in Australia get ours from Japan - not sure about other countries 😎

[@tmajec]

All these talk of Chinese this and that are dog whistle. We know what the insinuations are. Most of these folks are writing these from their made in China phones.

[@lisamunoz9727]

We in the Philippines get our Subarus from Japan!! Toyota is a part owner of Subaru!!

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Some people just are insistent on calling Volvo's Chinese for some odd reason. You know that they are Swedish, I do, and anyone familiar with the Geely/Volvo relationship knows this. Geely is a parent company but Volvo is actually more Swedish now than they were under Ford. They even own some of the factories in China and manage/run them.

[@PK-il8xm]

Owning both a Volvo and a Subaru, while I ❤ the Subaru, Volvo has made me understand the difference between Premium and non-Premium.

[@puppymew]

I went from a 2004 Volvo XC70 to a 2017 Subaru Outback base and I'm honestly surprised how many more features the (20 year old) Volvo had over my Subie. Like no factory fog lights? One thing that I prefer with the Subie is the fact I can fold down the rear seats flat without having to remove the rear seats.

[@Flying_GC]

​@puppymew you must have the only subaru ever made without foglights. My JDM Outback has everything in it standard. I think US ones are maybe lower spec than the rest of the world.

[@davewilson7602]

@@puppymewthat’s probably because of the trim, every other outback gets fog lights funnily enough

[@ChrisN06999]

"buying a luxury car ALMOST never has a value proposition attached to it." ~Realistick, June 2023.

[@Mklpz000]

Wife just purchased the 2024 Subaru Onyx Edition Outback. Saved us $25,000 vs Volvo. Now we are going on an extended vacation. 😅

[@markweaver1012]

Have a great time! We bought a 2020 Onyx XT -- great car. It's a beast in snow. We towed a ~3000# travel trailer across the US ... twice, and did some moderate off-roading while were out in Arizona and Utah. We put on some AT tire and the front skid plate, and we were good to go. I'd say the CVT skeptics haven't driven this car. Under hard acceleration, it mimics a traditional automatic by shifting through a set of fixed ratios. Otherwise, it is just smooth. When using the paddle-shifters to downshift on descents in the mountains, the transmission does a great job of picking just the right ratio to provide engine braking without over-revving. The turbo is also great at high elevations.

[@iscream6]

My family has got a 2011 subie outback which has a 2.5 liter engine. We lived in China and it was imported from subie factory in US. For years it has become an emotional symbol connecting me and all my families more than a machine. We love it❤

[@jeremytd7072]

It’s heartbreaking that we are at the end of the wagon era in North America. The Volvo is the true wagon here and I agree with Tyler on choosing it as the best of the two even though it was a tight finish.

[@MasterDedalius]

Great review. You see that the creator is not paid by the car industry. Keep going.

[@chrisb9478]

Back in 21, we bought a new 21 Outback XT Touring for $37k with a 39k sticker. It’s a ton of car for the money! Fast, good mpg. Only negative is the big screen occasionally has glitches. Otherwise, it’s been perfect.

[@oneshotpony7217]

I just had a V60 delivered this week, and I’m already in love. I too find myself looking back at the car every time I park it lol. This was a very good review/comparison. You got my sub 👍🏾.

[@Heinz76Harald]

ofcourse you do look back in the first week... you would do that whatever car you bought

[@oneshotpony7217]

@@Heinz76Harald sure. Thanks for sharing, I guess lol. Have a good day.

[@Heinz76Harald]

@@oneshotpony7217 well, ya, aint it right? 😄 Try to remember If you still do it today every time you walk away 😉

[@minnybiker4505]

I have the Outback Limited 2.5 in that same color. I've put 5k miles on it so far, and I absolutely love it. Yes, the infotainment is slow at startup, but once you get past that, there's not a lot to complain about. Took it on a 3500 mile road trip, and it is an excellent travel companion. Nice to see how it compares to the more expensive Volvo. And I agree, the styling of the Volvo is classier... I'm not in love with the giant grill on my Outback... But it's not awful, and the value proposition still has me smiling. Cheers!

[@vanceshaw3675]

I have extensive experience with both. Subie is great value for money. Its let down by HORRIBLE OEM tires. Replacing with Vredesteins totally transforms handling and acceleration. Feels like an MB E Class W210 on most roads except it runs out of suspension at high speed over v rough roads. You lose circa 10% fuel economy though. The Vredesteins also massively help throttle response incredibly. They have STRONG sidewalls so no rear-end squish on positive throttle! Subie has ALOT more trunk and rear seat space than Volvo. The Warning system when backing up is Amazing in accuracy and foresightedness and better than Volvo. Front camera in Touring spec is Very Handy to get into tight driveways! Infotainment brain has been replaced under warranty which has been the only failure. Its NOT slow after updates. CVT not as bad as people say. 0-60 not its thing. 30-100 is fine and smooth. Subie XT seats and interior quality are very good. Fuel economy on a mixed drive is mid 20s mpg. Volvo is MUCH sportier car, more responsive to inputs and handles better. Rides stiffer. Volvo drivetrain is super smooth and feels high-end. Volvo interior is higher quality. I agree the Volvo HK stereo is slightly better. Volvo fuel economy is circa 10% better. They are really two VERY different vehicles. We have both in our family and enjoy both. Volvo feels VERY European in road manners. Subie is a less angaging drive but an amazing vehicle given its breadth of abilities.

[@AK-is5hx]

Just about to purchase a Subie. What model Vredesteins do you recommend?

[@vanceshaw3675]

@@AK-is5hx The Quatrac Pro

[@MikeCorrigan1520]

Spot on. Test drove both yesterday. Volvo CX60 (4 corner air suspension) which was nice, but engine hesitation and blah acceleration with low headroom made it feel like the roof was being crushed on me. Outback has much better acceleration and didn’t feel like my head was getting crushed. Going XT and saving $$$

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Excellent comparison. Very well done. I think Subaru has taken the place of where Volvo used to be but it is more geared toward a true sports/utility type of personality if one wants to use the cars as intended. I think Subaru has the best 4WD system and I generally like Subarus. I do own a Volvo because I like the firm, European road manners.

[@Hannes7046]

I have driven both. The Volvo has way better handling on fast country roads. The Subie is better on bumpy gravel roads. Mazda 6 AWD is something between the two.

[@jonathangot]

Driving it in good weather isn't an adequate test of its capabilities. I've driven both in a snowstorm on unploughed motorways and the V60CC isn't as competent even with winter tires. Its cruise control system is also disabled if the sensor is covered with snow, and the GPS is unreliable along border regions even if there's a strong cell signal and the map works in both countries. Regular cars still allow you to use cruise control and just disable the forward collision warning. Eyesight is within the windshield wiper range and works with more reliability. The most important car buying advice I give is to rent the car for days at a time several times throughout the year, drive it through most of the weather conditions you normally would, test all your usual use cases like child seats and recreational equipment and ensure you understand all of its flaws and features.

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

Have the OB Wilderness (2023) and the infotainment is slow at start up only. After a minute or so, it is much quicker.

[@saltyt.1886]

I think I’m sold on the Subaru Outback for a better ride, more power, quicker, more reliable, built in your State of Indiana and costs less to boot!

[@saltyt.1886]

And I’d rather support a Japanese brand (Subaru) than a Swedish brand now owned by China (Volvo) too.

[@tmajec]

⁠@@saltyt.1886 😂 sure, buy now!

[@ln5747]

Not more reliable. Don't even discuss the CVT.

[@Marco-qe5zw]

@@ln5747 Another cvt EXPERT 🤣

[@ln5747]

@@Marco-qe5zw cope

[@Jmanmadness23]

This comparison was brilliant! Bravo! I personally would expand this comparison to the Subaru Ascent versus the Volvo XC90.

[@chandrakantutube]

Very nicely explained! We love the video content, and the way you explain things, I agree that the Outback is an all around vehicle and I love to add one other difference which is a very minimalist but it came really handy at the time of a need, the roof rails which becomes a cross bar when needed, I am emphasizing is as I needed it at 8 pm at Menards when I got an amazing deal on a carpet remnant, and I need to pick that up the same night😊

[@victorteran9766]

Hard to choose, I agree with you, both fantastic oddballs, if that was my money I would probable go with the Subbie as well, but the Volvo Is fantastic!

[@VoldVoldorac]

One thing that most reviewers are seldom talking about are that Volvo seats have always and will always be equipped with ergonomical seats compared to any other car manufacturer out there in the past 50 years.

[@ssssssss6889]

To me , the only real let down for Subaru are the seats.

[@ulyssesmanorapartments1286]

This was such a fantastic review and comparison. You did everything I wanted and you did it very well. Thank you!

[@adrianm.1910]

I was between these in 2021 and went with the V60. Since then, the Outback has seen two exterior updates, while the V60 remains unchanged.

[@italyonedaysoon3224]

Tyler, nice honest comparison. I do like to look of the Volvo, but like any relationship, there is more to it thank looks! I still have my WRX and extended the lease, looking at the Outback’s at this point with the turbo. You really sell it well it the sub 6 second sprints you do.

[@Realistick]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@anthonyng3014]

I just bought the Outback XT 2024 model and I can tell you, if you're thinking the Outback will handle anything similar to the WRX, you'll be disappointed. Yes, it has plenty of power, the 5.9s sprint is evidence of that, but the tip-in for the Outback throttle is quite horrible. In fact, it's worse than my base 2007 Impreza. So from 10 miles or 15 kilometers on, the XT pulls like a dream but that initial 0-10 bogs down a bit. Not ideal for sudden lane changes or even red light drag races. Also it handles a bit like a boat where you can definitely feel the body roll and the extra weight on corners. All in all, I'm still very happy and wouldn't change my choice due to all the space and luxury of the Outback XT over the WRX or Impreza, but just thought you'd want to know this is no WRX competitor in most scenarios. Straight line, maybe, everything else, no.

[@joshuaboyce1019]

Half expected him to say now let’s give it a Doug score

[@Darthvolvo]

Someone has been more busy than a Miami bail bondsman! Congrats on 40k

[@Realistick]

Ì appreciate that, thank you!

[@colechapman6976]

I love them both! I own a 2012 Subaru Outback with 118,000 miles and other than the odd oil change, I have yet to experience much heartache. I like the new ones and would definitely buy a new Subaru wagon again once this one dies

[@phillipjohnson5868]

My 2012 2.5i Outback has 184k miles on it and it has been dead reliable! Doesn’t even burn oil. Had to change the rear wheel bearings at 175k and also did the struts but that is to be expected on any car with that high mileage. Upgraded the rear sway bar, completely redid all the interior and exterior lighting to LED, swapped the stereo for a new Sony with Apple Carplay, added a subwoofer, and added more sound insulation to every door. I did that all over the span of a couple years and now I feel like I have no reason to upgrade to a new one! Great car!

[@HereXEG]

I had a 2004 xc70 with 130,000 lose its first cylinder coil coming outta Baltimore inner horbor and it drove me and my two children all the way back to WV! Enen over the Frederick mountains. I replaced the coil and sold it some meny years later to my sons best friend. It had 310,000 on it when I sold it and my sons friend still drives it to this day. No Subaru will do that!

[@27Ctrojans]

Definitely v60 if you are a car enthusiast and the nice touches matter. If not get the subi. I have had both. Volvos are for people who are sick of driving Subarus

[@daweed980]

Awesome comparo. Keep up the good work!

[@Realistick]

Thank you!

[@DtotheS2595]

Great review. Keep it up! 🎉

[@ChrisN06999]

"it has auto stop start which outside of having a funny acronym is usually complained about..." Word.

[@toronado455]

A** 😂

[@danielfair4675]

The funny thing is, the auto start/stop only activates when you try and push the brake pedal thru the floor. Otherwise, you don't even need to push the button to shut it off upon start-up. If you have a leg full of lead, buy the bypass for $40.

[@WOOF95]

Great comparison!

[@alengreen589]

you can clearly see how smooth and clear the interior and exterior design is from a premium car to a normal not premium Japanese car and the difference in the materials used in the interior, and thats why the Volvo cost $ 15 - 25k more. Thanks for the review.

[@55mblindy]

If you are thinking of getting those two cars, I seriously would go down to the dealership you may be fooled with his father way underpowered for 60 grand come on now check up on the safety ratings

[@alengreen589]

@@55mblindy I don´t like this 2 brands.

[@55mblindy]

@@alengreen589 you should if you wanna base needed transportation on value if not hell go for Mercedes I worked on it for 40 years. I’ve been in a Subaru for 18 months 29 miles to the gallon. Very safe car 0 to 60 in 5 1/half seconds I don’t know sounds good to me.

[@danielfair4675]

​@Alen Green you must like buying cars every couple of years then. They both rate pretty well reliability wise.

[@alengreen589]

@@danielfair4675 I´ll try it.

[@Mirror1973]

Love them both! But they are geared towards two opposite buyers, the typical buyer for an Outback wants something entirely different from what the Volvo buyer is ultimately looking for

[@enriquilloMTB]

Mmmmm, lots of families has both brands

[@jsouthwell79]

It would be interesting to see an AWD comparison with a roller test. Keep up the great videos.

[@duffyt26]

You wouldn't. The Subaru isn't what it was, as seen on other channels who do roller tests. Actually worse than the Haldex in that specific test but it's not entirely real-world-applicable. Both suffer from torque issues either by overall power output or not being able to send enough torque to 1 wheel and no "real" LSD/locking diffs. It's same-same between these two.

[@grummanfanschneid]

First time commenting: bought my 23 Subaru Outback Onyx Xt a lil over a month ago - love it and why buy a Volvo when u can drive a Subie - my only wish Subaru - more power - how bout 300 to 350hp I’ll pay a lil more for piece of mind…

[@einar8019]

The towing rating must be wrong in sweden the V60CC(with the 190hp d4 diesel) is rated to tow 2000kg(4400lbs)

[@randyreynolds1045]

Go with the subaru.❤

[@Loki1815]

I have a UK spec Outback and, I use the word wisely, Hate the Roof Rails on the Murican spec. It's almost if they are trying to mske it look big and beefy, more rugged to match up to a brash Murican mountainman mindset, rather than a refined, sleek, sophisticated, elegant, Country Estate, Shooting Brake! Think Cowboy Boots, Jeans, and a Baseball cap on backwards or a Savile Row Suit, and Hand Made leather shoes!

[@yourtubisfilled7164]

Outback starting at € 63.450 in the Netherlands, the Volvo V60 CC € 69.395. Taxes baby. What a huge difference with the US.

[@elgoogssie3969]

if 2.4 would avaliable in EU, they would probably cost the same.

[@marinusmourik9494]

Unfortunately not all the types of the Outback are available in the Netherlands. Nowadays you easily go up to the price you mentioned for the Volvo by ordering a Subaru with some "normal" options like under body protection or a towing hook.

[@jean-bernardjoly5920]

Great haircut !

[@Realistick]

Thanks!

[@christophernolan8761]

while I luv Volvos their reliability is a point of concern

[@55mblindy]

Good Review 😊

[@Realistick]

Thank you

[@Crazyuncle1]

Both cars appeal to a limited audience and that’s a good thing. When I put my money down I buy what I want not what’s popular among different groups of buyers. I like the European touch and in my opinion and with all things considered Volvo is the best. Both of these cars are good but Volvo stole my heart when I bought my first one 35 years ago.

[@zeedustrakok]

Some strange differences based on country. Subaru has virtually no sales in my country, whereas by capita we almost buy most Volvo’s out of any country. Why: Subaru tends to have aweful fuel consumption and horrible emissions which makes them a tax nightmare. CVT isn’t exactly nice to drive. The Volvo V60 CC also has low sales figures here (but way higher than the Subaru). Why: limited engine choice and most people prefer the normal V60/XC60/V90 or XC90. The V60 was available with 120 till 400+ hp, the CC with either 197hp diesel or 254hp petrol. I didn’t even consider ordering a V60 CC, but went directly to the V60 T6 recharge since I needed a low emission for tax reasons. Sure, the Subaru is objectively a good car, but not one you want. One strange observation: my V60 T6 recharge eAWD is rated to tow 2 tons (about 4400lbs).

[@robertwatts9800]

Test the awd systems, either taking them offroad or slip test. Most of the tests I've seen showed the volvo awd system works a little bit better than the subarus awd system.

[@Realistick]

Interesting, I've been trying to find slip test stuff to buy but can't find the rollers. Do you have links to show that? The haldex systems are good but Subarus usually perform well in every test until wheel articulation comes into play.

[@nathaliedube2913]

​@@RealistickDriving sport tv KZbin channel has made the offroad test for both of those.

[@elijahthc]

How about the V90?

[@lennyvalentinoSchiaretti_lvs]

Very nice review, thanks! I own an old Outback 2.5 liter from 2008 that I love but I start wishing for something new. I am not a big fun of the last Outbacks. The last model improved a bit the appearance but it doesn't have the elegance and the originality of the Volvo...it looks a bit bulky. But they main reason why I am not 100% convinced to go for a Subaru is the transmission! How is that possibile that they still have a CVT like in the 90s!!! So I would probably go for the Volvo.

[@bmw320i2]

My Outback has rain sensing wipers.

[@Realistick]

Interesting, are you in the US? None of Subaru's material in my region suggests they have it but I also can't remember trying them firsthand.

[@adams_1]

@@Realistick all Australian models have rain sensing wipers, also have headlight washers.

[@Realistick]

@@adams_1 I'm jealous but that makes sense

[@felixtam2120]

Buddy you're going back and forth between the 2 vehicles and at times it is confusing as to which vehicle you are talking about!!!

[@JohnBest84]

Volvo has lost its quality...many problems with these cars nowadays. The Subaru on the other hand, still one of the most reliable cars on the market and definitely the best 4x4 and by far the best off-road capabilities, especially in this price segment - no Volvo can climb like a Subaru can. So for me, it would be really easy: the Outback XT.

[@mooochi]

I’m sold on Volvo

[@onetimer100]

Subaru has never cared about audio systems. At ''best' they are ok. Stock they are barely acceptable but I chose an OB in '15 for the practical reasons in which it excels. Would love a Volvo or Audi but too much $$$

[@borekkuznik9195]

This is funny. In Czech republick is outback XT out of production and standart Outback has only 2.5i NA engine with 0-60mph almost 11 second. And second fact - is more expensive that Volvo S60 B5 AWD in Full.....

[@danhall3450]

😳

[@francisfajardo6055]

Nice!!!

[@ontarioman6301]

What about the rtv issues with 2.4 engine?

[@Realistick]

Not enough to cause any damage from what I’ve found. Im curious if we’ll get anything from it years down the road so I’ll keep checking but CR, car complaints.com, nhsta reports show different flaws as much more prevalent.

[@ltra42]

this is like over 20K different in cost in Australia. so, whatever is in the Volvo it better do A LOT better than the Subaru.

[@DavidCrenshaw-q2d]

need to compare the outback to the XC60... this is a less similar comparison, but interesting still... id really like to see the apples to apples one though... hint hint... haha

[@cruiseadmiral]

Actually XC60 is the closest to the Subaru Ouback lineup, not the V60 CC.

[@VolkswagenNut1969]

Eh! While I like the Outback, the Volvo is well worth the jump in price. Much better looking, better built, safer, more comfortable. Subaru still struggles with longevity and reliability issues, especially in the engine/transmission department! And those drivability differences described as ‘minor’ in this video will make a HUGE difference when living with them day to day and mile after mile. Sorry, but Volvo for the win for me!

[@GAn-ge9fw]

Subarus are not reliable? What kind of nonsense is this. No problems with Subaru.

[@marinusmourik9494]

What a nonsense about the Subaru's. They are super reliability ! I'm having my third Outback and never had strange costs than the normal maintenance costs. I admit that my "old" Volvo 940 never had strange things too. In the Netherlands there are hardly Subaru's sold but lots of Volvo's,maybe that's why we have many more problems with the "newer" kind of Volvo's, especially the electronics.

[@0ki7o]

Can you fly to Europe or Japan and do a Levorg review?

[@genzigzag]

Interesting comparison! If Subaru dumped their CVT gearbox in their large vehicles it would help with refinement along with the addition of some luxury content. The big Subie still has lot going for it. Volvo wins on the styling front.

[@55mblindy]

Not if you buy an onyx and I don’t know how experience you over the CVT transmission but it’s like no other on the planet

[@italyonedaysoon3224]

@@55mblindy what about the Onyx makes it better than the Touring that he was using for the comparison. Just curious.

[@toronado455]

@@italyonedaysoon3224 styling?

[@toronado455]

@@55mblindy i agree Subaru CVT is not bad

[@55mblindy]

A lot of comparisons to be made as far as the autonomous driving and cruise control. It works perfect that’s why the CBT is needed in that circumstance. Yes the Subaru is nothing special on the front end but 31 miles to the gallon putting around town with only one person in the car or if I need to go to Boston at 75 it gets 26. I don’t think you can get any better 5.5 seconds so sexy you gotta have the 2.4 L turbo motor.

[@senthilarumugamprime]

just take both on a slippery dirt road, and you would know. You can enjoy the premium interior of the Volvo while stuck, Subaru will get you home.

[@danhall3450]

🤣

[@texasclawhammer6578]

Its insane how many new vehicles with 4cylinder engines cost over $50k.

[@spawn11]

Ofcourse Japan does it best. No one comes close.

[@scottysvensson]

Of course Volvo

[@craignelson9352]

Uhhhh. Volvo was bought by a Asian company because they knew Volvo was premium. Then all Volvo Design language was mimicked

[@hansostlund4626]

jesus, japanese designers still use building blocks……

[@Now_or_Never_777]

Subaru - very long front overhang. No bueno

[@sebyylove]

Subie

[@AdamJRowen]

Subaru the brain dead design inside & out

[@keithjohnson3411]

How come all these people doing appraisals on cars these look like they just left school

[@1heavyelement]

nobody wants to work on European cars. this a hands down no brainer. japan does it better.

[@gogutzy]

the one is non-premium, for the peasants, able to live 20 years. the other one is a stasi premium 4 year handbag.

[@babajinde]

Drivers may be surprised to learn that Volvo models are no longer made in Sweden. Volvo is currently owned by the Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, a Chinese company which owns over 15 other vehicle makers.

[@Realistick]

Who told you that? Most, including this, are still built in Sweden. The engineers/decision makers are largely the same folks. The only thing you are certainly right about is that they are owned by a Chinese holdings company!

[@daweed980]

Just googled it and Volvos are built in Sweden, US, China and Belgium.

[@Mirror1973]

Completely UNTRUE! Stop spreading this nonsense Volvos ARE BUILT IN SWEDEN OR BELGIUM OR IN THE USA

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@daweed980 Yes. They are managed, designed in Sweden. The owners like keeping Volvo autonomous. There's also Polestar, spun off from Volvo, which has the same dynamic and is Swedish managed, engineered, designed. Both will use a Geely platform in some of their new electric cars.

[@badrzaman2975]

Thanks for the information, but what about the volvo engine.

[@mareksedlak20]

Volvo china, Subie best

[@Realistick]

Owned by a chinese holdings company. Designed and built in Sweden, North American Outbacks are built in Indiana (down the road from me).

[@fergusferguson4782]

And Boom! Your 'Sploder-roo's head gasket lets rip, and you are out selling lemonade while you save up for a new engine.

[@POSS99]

Volvo is owned by china and outback is made in america. Hard pass

[@FinnisJaeger]

v60 and s60 are made in china

[@BoopSnoot]

I think the Subaru should go to a technician and have itself checked out, that plastic cladding may be cancerous with the uneven lines and rapid growth generation to generation.

[@vantom6194]

Chinese Volvo Car vs Japanese Subaru Car

[@Realistick]

That's a common misconception that I suppose I should have addressed in the video. Volvo is owned by a Chinese holdings company now but they are still designed, built and run by the swedes. It's a swedish car. The V60 Cross Country is built out there. The Outback is not actually built in Japan fwiw.

[@scottysvensson]

China > japan so sthu

[@thomasschumacher5362]

Who really cares if a Chinese company owns Volvo they can't be a worse company than Ford, who also once owned Volvo and nearly wiped out the brand

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@thomasschumacher5362 Geely has done the better job in ownership. Volvo was not taken over by Geely to be turned into a Chinese auto operation. Geely supports the Swedish brand but Volvo is very much a Swedish brand and feels like a proper European car. If anything, it's Scandinavian design is more realized now than in previous generations.

[@bogdanbarbu7156]

actually is China not sweeden

[@Realistick]

Oh, and when they were owned by Ford, they were American? (Check out who designs them, where they are built and where their headquarters are.)

[@luiscardozo0000]

volvo is not swedish anymore ha ha is chinese

[@Realistick]

Check the pinned comment. Holdings company owns it, designed and built in Sweden.

[@ajmavb]

@13:25 ------Strange !!! In Europe the V60 CC is allowed 2000 kilo = 4410 pounds with a diesel engine and 1800 kilo = 3970 pounds on petrol !!!

[@vontrap6942]

The Volvo drives a lot better, more comfortable for longer journeys, feels more premium, no CVT which is a big plus, but it also costs a fair amount more. The Outback is a decent car however lots of cheap black plastic - a lot of manufacturers are doing this to save them money not you, and their engines are pretty sluggish. I'd have the Subaru in snowy conditions just because the wheel wells on the Volvo would get pretty clogged up being so tight to the tires. Subaru have improved their interior this time around to something you'd want to spend time in. The Volvo is very nice inside but it is getting dated - the styling is 8 years old now - compare to the XC90 interior of that year, almost exactly the same. I wish Subaru would get rid of the CVT. Regardless of what anyone says, they are pretty shocking.

[@Msalazar6sicVI]

Volvo is effectively a Chinese brand now so I'll take Japanese any day!!

[@tmajec]

Which other made in China appliances are out there and why should I avoid them?

[@Msalazar6sicVI]

@@tmajec If you need to ask why you should avoid a Chinese made vehicle, you probably have bigger problems 😅

[@tmajec]

@@Msalazar6sicVI sounds like you have a problem you cannot explain. That’s not a good sign 😄.

[@meenam300zx]

@Msalazar. First of all, it's funded by China, not made in China. It's a much better car under Chinese than when it was owned by Ford. Get used to it. Chinese are the new superpower whether you like it or not.