Peter Zeihan: What Will The World Look Like in Five Years?

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Regionalization” is the transition from a world of stable prices and consistent growth to one of rising costs of living where the threat of global famine is real.
The breakdown of an economic order framed by just-in-time supply chains requires a rethink of trade networks and relationships. Geopolitical strategist Peter Zeihan addresses these issues and more in his new book “The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization.”
Zeihan joins Real Vision’s Maggie Lake to talk about the implications of this transition, including the end of China’s time as a great power and the perpetuation of the U.S. dollar’s status as the global reserve currency.
Recorded on May 31, 2022.
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:10 Why Our Future Will Be Pricier, Worse & Slower
00:03:52 The Benefits of Globalization
00:05:43 The Demographic Effect at a Global Scale
00:08:36 The End of the Supply Chain Network As We Know It
00:14:53 Solving Demographics Through Immigration Policies. Is it Possible?
00:15:39 The One-Child Policy & the Decline of China
00:23:32 The Risk of Global Famine Is Real
00:31:47 The Future of the U.S. Dollar As the Strongest Currency
00:34:48 Globalization vs. Regionalization
00:41:51 Productivity, Demographics, Technology and Europe's Future.
00:47:48 What Determines the Geography of Success?
00:55:12 Opportunities for Latin America in a World Starved of Food & Energy
01:02:47 Is there Hope for a Better Future?
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🔥 Get a 14-day 𝐅𝐑𝐄𝐄 trial to Real Vision 👉 rvtv.io/unfk TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:10 Why Our Future Will Be Pricier, Worse & Slower 00:03:52 The Benefits of Globalization 00:05:43 The Demographic Effect at a Global Scale 00:08:36 The End of the Supply Chain Network As We Know It 00:14:53 Solving Demographics Through Immigration Policies. Is it Possible? 00:15:39 The One-Child Policy & the Decline of China 00:23:32 The Risk of Global Famine Is Real 00:31:47 The Future of the U.S. Dollar As the Strongest Currency 00:34:48 Globalization vs. Regionalization 00:41:51 Productivity, Demographics, Technology and Europe's Future. 00:47:48 What Determines the Geography of Success? 00:55:12 Opportunities for Latin America in a World Starved of Food & Energy 01:02:47 Is there Hope for a Better Future?

[@hibatica]

Just a tip, if you put the time stamps in the description, it divides your video up into "chapters" and it's a much nicer interface for viewers.

[@112deeps]

Well done Real Vision Finance for bringing Peter Zeihan to the platform and date stamping the conversation in the Title summary and Airing date. simply professional ...

[@spencerp6190]

The thumbnail for this video looks like a time capsule from the 90's, and I'm here for it.

[@jackkennedy9475]

If Peter Zeihan is correct, shorter supply chains, localized produce and production then this had other potential ramifications. Some of his statements: inflation, baby boomers retiring, reduction of younger workers to fill jobs across many developed countries to include China and India, and potential lose of globalization. With reduction of workers will reduce pollution, assumption retirees pollute less, shorter supply chains reduction in energy consumption and waste, localized companies will have to find better methods for managing waste/pollution, who wants to live in a garbage dump, famine could equate to a moderate drop in population, war the same. These issues seem to point to less pollution and significantly more smaller localized produce.

[@RealVisionFinance]

@@hibatica Thanks mate - We'll apply that on our next upload! Stay tuned...

[@jacklatta1890]

This interviewer is outstanding…I’ve listened to many people ask questions to Peter on many different lectures, podcasts, etc…and this lady is asking questions and exploring directions that I’ve wanted to ask…it’s well done.

[@gabelazar6376]

I’ll give it to Peter Zeihan- he’s been preaching this same narrative for about a decade now. He’s certainly intelligent, and I agree with majority of his perspectives, but I think some of his messages are spoken in terms that are too absolute and don’t allow for alternative potential scenarios. We’ll just have to see how the future unfolds!

[@napper2212]

I'm very confident that none of Zeihan's predictions will come true. It's just a bunch of hyperbolic projections based on flawed premises, faulty logic, totally unreliable statistics. & Wishful thinking. China will "collapse" in the next 10-15 years? That's utter nonsense. I'm willing to bet real money against him on this.

[@jamesdonop445]

Look at global news keyword famine. Looks like he is right so far

[@fffwe3876]

demographic analysis is what he knows. you know what they say about a man with a hammer. one of the biggest source of basic human misjudgement.

[@Starbat88]

Events might not be so straightforward as he is describing. But we can anticipate the general trend he's describing, just based on the limitations of resources and demographics. These things have inevitable consequences.

[@peredavi]

If you’re selling seminars and books, saying “things might go this way, but on the other hand it may go that way, but I’m not really sure!?”. Yeah, that would sell!🤣

[@viveviveka2651]

I'm fascinated by this guy. His thinking can be careless, and his logic sketchy and flawed, but he gets it right often enough. He is great at communicating and condensing complex issues. His energy is positive. He's not trying to bum listeners out, unlike a lot of journalists, experts, pundits, and others these days. He is not as boring as most others are.

[@andrewkang5962]

Yes, You are right. I think so too. BTW 1:05:32 Wow! That's so cool! I like that!!!

[@brirocks]

After discovering him during a Rogan podcast, I concur. He has such a great flow. Continuous but not overwhelming.

[@brady3474]

You say he has got it right often enough. This is the first I have ever heard of him , and this is the first time I’ve heard this detailed prediction for china. I was hooked. But then I wondered if there is documentation of him getting anything right. Do you know of any time he nailed a prediction?

[@Rytar]

Climate change alarmist. Never badmouths any big names in the Fed/gov't. How is that possible? He's big on signal intelligence, himself - he's playing for team Pentagon and loves to hear himself talk..

[@gamble8008]

@@brady3474 the 2008 collapse. that made him famous. he has like hundreds of 1hr presentations before it and also in the 2010s where he predicts ukraine. in all of these examples he really just observes macro trends so it’s not predicting. it’s just saying “china has no ppl, so it collapses soon”

[@robertfeinberg748]

When Kissinger and Nixon engineered the opening to China, it was assumed that China would liberalize, but it never happened.

[@jacasadia]

Maggie, I have heard several people interview Peter over the last few months. I think yours was one of the best. Wonderful insightful questions!

[@nicksince9487]

Completely agree!

[@userasdf1546]

Any interview is better the that ARK Investment one

[@anthonypeterson5565]

Definitely agree. The interview was a concise summary of Peter's perspective.

[@PerversePoster]

Agreed.

[@gilligan87]

big agree James, she asked the best questions I've ever seen him asked

[@thinman8621]

A person could easily do a whole college course spinning out from this interview. Excellent interview.

[@Stash186]

Or a clear understanding of why college's have regulated themselves to the dumpster useless institutions

[@Automedon2]

Wow, this is the best explanation of global economics I've ever seen. This is why the traditional media is falling apart - they are beholden to political parties and the corporations that sustain them. So, you never get a full picture without bias or promotion. Thanks for this breath of fresh air.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@someonewhoknows1891]

Absolutely. You have young excited reporters who go into the field because they want to uncover truth and report on hard hitting news. When they see how lucrative it is to go with the status quo, or the alternative is they are shuffled off to a middle of the cornfield news station,(if they don’t go along with them). They become the very people that they set out to investigate.

[@SignalCorps1]

It also takes brains to internalize all this information and draw logical conclusions, something 99% of today’s media personnel lack.

[@andrewkang5962]

Wow! 1:05:32 This is the best depiction of S. Korea I've ever seen. See! This is why the West is the best, East is evil.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Traditional media is nothing but entertainment

[@Boydster519]

Peter is brilliant. I started looking into futurists and the coming boomer retirement 20+ years ago. Troubling and sobering. But it does give me some hope here in Canada. God bless you all.

[@GoingFar77]

After trying to watch two previous interviews with Peter that I had to turn off because the host couldn't keep up, this was a breath of fresh air. It's always nice when the host and the guest are on the same intelligence level to have a fruitful conversation.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@knoll9812]

She read the notes and fed him easy questions

[@tazmokhan7614]

An interviewer asking the tough questions and guest who is ready to give real answers....so rare and sooooo refreshing...definately worth subbing, can wait for more vids to see.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching and welcome to Real Vision!

[@ruoyuli4091]

Peter is blaming inflation on china?! the u.s printed 3 trillion dollars during 2020 to help stay at home unemployed Americans during lockdown. It sanctioned and put tariff on chinese goods, effectively raising prices on common household items. And Peter blames CHINA?!

[@tazmokhan7614]

@@ruoyuli4091 he talking about inflation on a global scale and how the decisions the CCP has made on the Globl Markets has effected not only the wolrd markets but also the US Markets and yes pumping 3 trillion into the economy has contributed to our inflation but that has only been made worse but a government that has made bad decisions for a country and its economy that 4X bigger than ours. So yes 3 trillion is one thing but China mistakes are magnified when its 4X times bigger than it main rival.

[@kenflagler635]

This interview is hypnotic. I have never listened to this kind of stuff in the past. But at 58 I am learning so much listening to Peter. Also this host really knows her stuff. Thanks!😎😎😎

[@RealVisionFinance]

Welcome to Real Vision Ken! That's what we do best, helping people access the best financial intelligence.

[@vanbarrettdesign]

So, now that we are into Q4, world cereal production is set to be the highest ever, this contradicts Peter’s forecast.

[@Fireball4511]

Gain and fuel prices are fine, low even. The Russians didn't lose their pipelines. Peter makes these big predictions based on nothing being done to avoid the impending doom. Then people take action and the problem is avoided and the predictions fail to come true.

[@paulpetersen879]

Yup, globalization has been great for everyone except the American worker, who has seen millions of their jobs shipped overseas so the 1% could get richer.

[@robbiep742]

I'd argue it's been great for the top 33%, with an exponential increase as an individual's/family's wealth increases on the curve. If you make over 100k, even in wealthier areas in the US, you've been able to purchase all the high quality goods you need, enjoy expensive services, and benefited from the financial market boom over the last 30 years. I'm now in a high earning percentile, too bad I finally have money to invest and am entering what could be a long dark winter. I sure hope Zeihan is wrong on the severity of things...

[@paulheydarian1281]

@@robbiep742 Well, you can always throw your money at the throngs of homeless gangs moving to a neighborhood near you. 🤪😊

[@Zummbot]

Globalization has been great for everyone, including the American worker, but simply less so than for the upper classes. Even the poorest Americans have an income exponentially larger than the global worker class. Think about it: would you have more purchasing power waiting tables in America or assembling iPhones in China? I hope the answer is obvious.

[@stevemace1725]

This is where he underestimates the trend.

[@bernadettedunn6129]

This is the best interview I’ve seen with Peter. Thanks for asking my questions. I love listening to Peter. He gives me a shred of hope for our grandchildren.

[@tiongwahwee5138]

Just a wish like going to heaven

[@johnedwards6271]

I’m

[@deesus1085]

@@tiongwahwee5138 china just “opened” up buddy

[@RealVisionFinance]

We appreciate that Bernadette!!

[@bonecobalu4058]

I was thinking the same

[@75blackviking]

Maggie knocks it out of the park every time. Insightful questions, provocative logical assertions and great timing for her interviewee interactions. I really enjoy watching her.

[@angelwings3369]

Fascinating and insightful questions and answers... Great interview to listen to, and despite the ~ pain ~ to come in the near future, Peter's outlook for the U.S. is the most positive I've heard lately. My hope and prayer is that as a nation we are able to maintain our attitude of helping humankind where and when we can. May Love be the guiding light as we head into these trials and tribulations... ❣

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@johnnarez6396]

Don't forget God's wisdom (Prov. 3:17b). Absolutely crucial.

[@kathryngannon485]

Helping mankind? All you have done is wage war on millions of people and now you are paying the price with immigrants.

[@tomtao4266]

This lady is an amazing interviewer And Peter is brilliant

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@NoNameNo.5]

Who is this lady lol

[@jamalsinjab5137]

Maybe to you . Only

[@2Oldcoots]

The truth of this man's vision is coming true before our very eyes. Great interview because the interviewer is truly professional and allowed the interviewee to fully answer insightful questions.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@A1441]

I keep hoping that the interview would last longer than it did just so I could hear more from this intelligent discussion. We were all schooled big-time by these two!

[@J-Woke]

He was just on Joe Rogan, it's a great podcast, make sure to listen!

[@A1441]

@@J-Woke Thanks for the info! I will check that out.

[@retailtherapist]

Also, the book is great. If you're not much of a reader, try the audio book.

[@nononsenseBennett]

Very informative and easy to follow. ENCORE! More should see this.

[@RealVisionFinance]

More to come!

[@objectivefreedom5301]

I have been living now in China for 7 years and I fully agree with Peter’s vision. It’s spot on.

[@xsaxsa4706]

which city ?

[@007kingifrit]

you better get out of there

[@objectivefreedom5301]

@@xsaxsa4706 Shanghai

[@RandyJism]

Say more?

[@0utc4st1985]

@@objectivefreedom5301 Get out now while you still can....

[@michaelb6529]

I follow Peter and have seen a lot of interviews. This interview was on of the very best. The interviewer was outstanding, bravo.

[@hanfucolorful9656]

But, not even one thing he said about China is true. With people like this guy brainwashing its people, China can "sit back and relax".

[@ruoyuli4091]

he speaks through the lens of white supremacy. Subtle but nontheless obvious when he references global order as European western order. and the rest to the world follows.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@godssoldier101]

Just imagine how robust Americas production/consumption numbers would be (PEOPLE) if it wasn't for 3rd wave feminism / abortion / birth control etc.. I'm not sure why this isn't even mentioned as a contributor for the plunge in "birth rates" in western countries... its one of the biggest reasons

[@knoll9812]

Falling birthrate is strongly correlated with prosperity in every country. Poor people have babies .rich people have stuff .

[@JBsC6]

Fabulous insights thank you

[@franzvanjulio5523]

This is awesome. Just ran into this tonight and have subscribed. I love these macro perspectives of how everything works. Thank you!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@davidlindburg1921]

Very captivating interview. Maggie's clearly a most capable interviewer and Peter equally knows his stuff. Flowing, interesting, thought provoking 😁👍

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@davidwelty9763]

This interview is why I like Real Vision, smart people, different voices with different perspectives.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks David!!

[@samspade1841]

Great interview. In the time I watched this interview it’s more time than I have watched msm in the last 3 years. I live in Canada and learned our media is bought by our government and has no interest in providing information to viewers that isn’t corrupted. I appreciated the questions were about learning and not seeking a narrative. Great job on the interview!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@martyz3170]

Great interview, Peter's books are amazing, highly recommend to read it

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@Greg-yu4ij]

I love listening to this guy. He reminds us not to give up on America and its blessings.

[@ineffige]

And trust me, we've had the taste of alternative...

[@vincentanguoni8938]

Nice! Great to see an optimist here! Gracias!!

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

Future America at the macro level looks like it will be okay. At the meso level, I wonder. A white minority USA with wealth concentrated in walled compounds with private security forces... because there are other aspects of demographics that a respectable academic can’t discuss.

[@VeganChefRon]

Such an amazing interviewer with precise insightful questions! Learned so much.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@athena_the_hun1097]

Absolutely awesome interview - real input and valid ideas

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@ebrudy1]

This is absolutely amazing. This should have way more views than it does.

[@beomc4539]

What is amazing about it. This guy is very misleading. His bias is high and leaves out massive issues that are effecting globalisation. I wouldn't put too much stock into what he says.

[@RealVisionFinance]

It's catching up 🔥Thanks for watching!

[@timknight6248]

Agree with all. One of the best interviews of Peter.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@mikkimikki5376]

❤ Peter Zeihan

[@tosseway145]

Thanks you so much for putting the "Air Date:" on your content and leaving it up there. It makes a big difference. I have subscribed because of the date stamp.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Welcome aboard!!

[@michaelmurby400]

Maggie, you are a gem. Thank you for what you do. 😊

[@RealVisionFinance]

True that! Thanks for watching Michael.

[@juliebutler8241]

Best interview of Peter ever! Lots of questions that people want to know the answers to!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching, Julie!

[@orientex]

I’m a professor of management and these interviews make me feel uniformed! Great interview questions. Really impressed.

[@jesusramos778]

I am amazed at the intelligence on which this interviewer directed the conversation, you're so smart and well informed 👍🏻

[@karma3101]

I would have liked to hear Zeihans thoughts on the possibility of a digital currency and the idiotic push by some countries like Holland to decimate their farming industry in a time of global food shortages!

[@George-pt8tb]

Epoch times has the vest breakdown on the weirdness behind the food crisis imo

[@mycandy1103]

He's not a fan of crypto currency. He said it's like betamax

[@Stash186]

Your currency has been digital for decades. What is different with CBDC's is a central ledger.

[@jewittm]

Easily one of the best interviews I’ve seen with him

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@hernandojimenez5102]

Your message over the global economy is music to my ears, and I tend to agree on it about 98 percent, thank you for a great interview 😀

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching Hernando!

[@sfurtado3]

Good questions and reporting! Thanks for the content looking forward to exploring your channel

[@australianingermany2965]

This is by far the best (of 15) interviews I have listened to with Peter, due to Maggie's intelligence, knowledge of global markets, and ability to quickly assimilate information, play it back and challenge Peter on the implications of his hypothesis. Awesome! However, where is the interview that says Peter is dead wrong and that the world is not about to completely break down and tens of millions begin to starve, governments fall, and geopolitical risks explode? Finally, how does one invest to come out ahead in the coming environment? When is Raoul Paul going to talk with Peter - I would have thought this topic is the most important one for investors in the next two years?

[@demven04]

The best interview I’ve seen lately with Peter.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@krakhedd]

This was a really, really great interview!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@Ottotherepoman1]

Thank you for the totally unfiltered look at future economic and political trends, its so refreshing to get information without a political bias subverting the information.

[@ivohahn]

Excellent speaker and interviewer; both sharing fascinating insights.

[@joshcross5929]

Best interview I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching, Josh!

[@abhijeetkhalia]

This interview is a rollercoaster. Travelled all the world. What an amazing find this has been! Got a little more sense about the world.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@RT-mn2pb]

This must be the 5th time I watched this interview. Maggie, thanks for thoughtful and insightful observations and questions. Terrific to find a deeply intelligent conversation.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@houyang5396]

I did the same. Watching the video over & over again. Each time learning new things. So much info to digest👏

[@jonreeves2355]

Most logical, and defined recognition of the current events, and great forecastinting i have ever heard! Well done, ill buy the book!

[@boxingfan5742]

Maggie Lake, thanks for a great show! Great questions. This guest has got fascinating insight.

[@darrenprior6339]

Always great to hear that there is so much hope in the world from a guy who basically thinks there's no hope for anything anywhere ever. I feel so encouraged

[@vincentanguoni8938]

Darren bud!!!!! A talking head makes you encouraged!? How is your mom doing! Your job.. education?? These are not tough or crazy times!! You need to study a little history and stay away from nonsense like this...you are addicted to that thing in your hand!!!! Always look on the bright side of life... imagine whistling!!!

[@oldAustinchick]

Peter has actually stated many times that he is quite optimistic. Human existence is complex and he does such a great job of making current events make sense to a layperson like me!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@thisfloridagirl5280]

This guy is so sure and such an absolutist. Anyone so sure of such intricate issues is a quack to me.

[@whaleoilbeefhooked3892]

Totally agree. 53:39 is the primary shill reveal presentation point is 1 min long. Clueless. Deliberate failure to not interject to correct the interviewer that mRNA is only used in agriculture because the lifespan of animals is short. Keeping the animals healthy until their prime harvest for profit margin is reached is purely a death for profit business component. The animals will all die because of ADE if left to live even their full short comparative lifespan. i.e. Marek's Disease. Peter has completely ignored human testing (lack of), to purposely abide by his master's (supposed) extinction plan. < all IMO

[@Ryan-ky9dl]

this guy couldn’t have been more wrong on the famine

[@Antonio-tl6ex]

What an awesome interview! Agree with most of his conclusions but you have asked exactly the right questions thank you!!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@anongal7875]

This guy reminds me of someone at work, who utters everything with such confidence that it makes you question their intellect. A Mr. Know-it-all who's basically just a Wish-it-all.

[@gatoryak7332]

Do you have anything to add to the discussion? Would you like to make a cogent argument about anything in his talk? Or are you the type of person who does nothing but fling out worthless insults?

[@anongal7875]

@@gatoryak7332 I already made my argument. Maybe you didn't get my point. And that's ok.

[@Widesight]

Change is always scary but change is the only place you find opportunity. Some will be frozen with fear (hopefully not literally) but for those people (especially the young) who are able to be see the light at the end of tunnel…we are looking at the most exciting, innovative times for decades. My sense is that people have not enjoyed being dulled by comfort in the last few years, here’s your chance to get snappy.

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

I've started following him. Very informative. Great interview👍

[@axiom66]

Peter Zehan is really on top of all the significant concerns and Maggie is awesone drawing out Peter's wisdom.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@SionTJobbins]

Thanks. This has been one of the best interviews I've seen on KZbin. Thanks both.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@patriciapalmer1377]

Zeihan is much more right than wrong over the haul. Been following him a long time. Thanks for your time and effort !

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@esjabear1168]

You are correct. Zeihan is more right than wrong. I've noticed also that when he is wrong (usually about something trivial) he will correct it subsequently. Also, when time passes and a prediction he made is wrong, the prediction was logical, and one of the players may have taken Zeihan's advice to heart and managed to change the predicted outcome.

[@eastafricanist9156]

Great interview

[@dshephardcomposer]

Peter Zeihan is incredibly erudite and intelligent. I have immense regard for him and his tireless efforts at educating curious viewers to past, present and future global history. However, as is the case with many intelligent people who make bold, attention-getting predictions, they usually have a blind spot. IF his predictions fail to prove out over the coming decades, and I say if, I would argue that the blind spot that caused it was in extrapolating too heavily from the past what the future will be, based on a calculation of how an expected shift in geopolitical and demographic conditions would have effected that PAST. In other words, the blind spot is not weighting heavily enough that the future is going to be too unpredictable, with innumerable unforeseeable and transformational events and developments. "Peering around the corner" of the advent of strong AI, or advanced gene therapy, or the fruition of the digital revolution is incredibly challenging. And those are known unknowns. What of the unknown unknowns? Of course, you can counter that all any historian or analyst can ever do is base their predictions on known knowns and known unknowns. Completely true. My point is that Zeihan tends to imbue his prognostications with an unquestionable, gospel-like quality. His framework gives a helpful starting place for how to think about geopolitics over the next half century. The mistake would be to take all these bold, dire predictions too literally.

[@HuiChyr]

He spoke confidently and sound intelligent but does NOT mean he is right.

[@theonlyconstantischange123]

Great comment, may I ask who else u find helpful in developing a cogent global perspective? Thank you

[@l3rucewayne1]

I would think a blindspot is what would make things unpredictable rather than identical with the idea of things being unpredictable. Both? Interesting points/thought food.

[@ShadyRonin]

You nailed it. I have the same criticism of him. I think what he underestimates is human ingenuity in times of desperation, and technological breakthroughs. We are in an era where automation may step up to assist with demographic crises at an unprecedented scale. Perhaps just in time. That said Peter offers an amazing perspective and the way he thinks about the world is fascinating. It will be interesting to see what he gets right and wrong over this next decade.

[@cooldudecs]

@@HuiChyr he has been so far… It’s macro economics mixed with geo politics

[@Jay57T]

Great interview! Interesting/informative questions and answers.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@orientex]

I’m a management professor - American- but lived in Thailand for 30 years and experienced the rise (and decline?) of globalization from both sides of the Pacific. This is a great conversation-so illuminating that I actually shared it not only with friends but my whole faculty here in Thailand. Most of the assumptions we’ve been living (and teaching) are in for a bumpy ride. It will require innovation and new business models. Thanks Maggie. I admire your ability to listen and make good choices in the interview. Really well done!

[@sers499]

Great job listening, thinking about the answer, and asking a followup. Noone does that

[@myutube8x]

Totally Brilliant interview. Peter Zeihan -- absolutely smooth, concise, very interesting ... a master of this knowledge! Maggie lake elegantly birthing the most appropriate questions seemingly on the fly. Fantastic presentation. Worth multiple listens.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

This episode is very short sighted as is Zeihan. We operated the most efficient and prosperous nation in human history when our population was 175-200 million less in America. Om top billions of jobs will be reduced by software automation, robotics, A.I....etc in a time of de-globalization where the 8 billion shortly will be fighting over resources. The transition to lower population will be hard but we need to reduce the population of the working class by at least 70-80% and all the elite/rich/higher paid government wokrwr families by 99.99%. Strict child control policy should be implemented on the upper strata where only 1 in a million families should be allowed to have children, all the other families should have forced tubal ligation among this wealtheir and even upper level government families. For the other 99.99% of the population, no more than 1% of families should be allowed to have 2 children maximum then tubal ligation should be done. Otherwise expect a dystopian nightmare you cannot imagine.

[@heimatliebe116]

@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 The dystopian nightmare would be brought about by the totalitarian and evil approach YOU are demanding!

[@saturupiah5940]

Maggie thanks for bringing Peter on the show. Not sure if I share your optimism about the Covid vaccines though.

[@DanFlorio]

Thanks for asking the question about technology. I've listened to many of Peter's interviews, and I'm reading his latest book, and that's the question I've been waiting for him to answer. To his answer: nothing I see says that technological advancement is going to slow down. This is something that I entertain myself with so I keep up with advancements in a number of fields. Not to an expert level, for sure, but I watch it pretty closely. To that point, the thing that, as Peter would say, *EVERY-ONE* is missing is that advancements in 3D printing is growing quickly, maybe exponentially, and it is inevitable that we will have 3D printers that print 3D printers. Let that sink in for a second. Everything you think you know about manufacturing goes out the window. Plus, machine learning (Not AI) is making tremendous advancements. The next materials breakthrough in solar panel efficiency, batteries, etc., are likely to be assisted by, or discovered entirely by, machine learning.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@kaushikvsmaniyan]

39:00 - 40:46 - reassuring for India, that's if we continue to build our industrial capacity & shorten supply chains especially avoiding China & East Asia - we will have to source our energy needs from the Persian Gulf rather than Russia though. 56:55 - 57:40 - Very interesting on Argentina, positively so! 1:01:54 - 1:02:44 - Labour seemingly will have more leverage over capital in the surviving/thriving regions, 1:05:33 - 1:05:44 - Cautiously optimistic or at least neutral for South Korea. Great conversation! Maggie is by far the best interviewer I've seen in quite some time!

[@demven04]

What a great interview! Thank you a lot.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@mpersad]

Genuinely, one of the best forward views of the global challenges ahead. Terrific interview, and delighted to have had this channel suggested to me, and you have a new sub!

[@49prodog]

What a great conversation!! Why don't we see more people like you two in politics?

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@stax-on-stax.crypto5452]

Because politics is for psychopaths and sociopaths

[@tylerdrolc4652]

Because they are intelligent, wise, and strategic, all those things are forbidden in modern day politics.

[@scotharden5286]

I love listening to Peter. Absolutely the smartest man in the room at this point in time and a great voice of reason and understanding in a world that is literally twisting itself apart. There is one part of his thesis that I take a little exception with and it comes to naval power and its importance to Interject power during the coming years. He puts a lot of credence on the U.S.'s naval power(i.e: the number of assets we have at our disposal vs. our rivals) as well as even countries like Japan. My main problem with relying on naval power or seeing it as a strategic advantage is relatively simple. It comes down to two words: Cruise Missiles! Their strength, the incredibly high level of pinpoint accuracy, and the fact that they can be launched from hundreds of miles away in my book pretty much negates the navy's capabilities to inflect power at a distance. In a full out conventional war scenario almost any ship, (the bigger the more vulnerable), is at risk. The battle won't be ship vs ship but cruise missile vs ship and I don't see that playing out well.

[@christineparma6072]

Fantastic interview! Peter always shares an immense amount of insights and value.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@pyorba]

Maggie did such a great job asking the relevant questions. Thanks!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching Patrick!

[@rubbis3742]

An American analyst for American audiences.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@seanhorton5375]

I agree 100%

[@andrewduffy7394]

This is a great interview, great questions.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@AlexSaavy]

What a great interview. The host did an amazing job. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@michaelcoghlan9124]

Fantastic video, thanks to both of you..An it is aging well brilliant insight. M

[@RealVisionFinance]

Many thanks!

[@user-km6rh3cv7t]

Great program - I'm so grateful that the questions being asked are pointed & clear as opposed to those being asked to impress.

[@Rojosi]

Great interview, thank you, exceptional insights, I took much from this discussion and look forward to the book

[@TampaDave]

The book is selling out fast. Expect delivery delays. It went to #12 on the NYT bestseller list last week.

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching!

[@bathtubs]

This interview gives me optimism. Great interview.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@Guanaalex]

Peter Zeihan, one of my most favorite speakers. Thanks for that Premium AAA guest, very much appreciated.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@mikecutter9793]

maybe one of the best podcast I have ever listened to.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@joeldeanmusic]

Would love to see Peter debate Ray Dalio on the decline / rise of China.

[@drifty_grifty]

Such a great idea

[@joshuajames2425]

Dalio is heavily invested financially in the outcome he predicts with a rising China .. Basically he's paid to think that and has ties to ccp

[@christopherarmstrong2710]

@@joshuajames2425 This is the feeling I’ve been getting about Dalio lately. Especially with his latest book The Changing World Order, which is extremely bullish on China.

[@xuefalan]

Great interview!

[@thefutureisnow8159]

I would argue that the U.S. sent their manufacturing overseas because it was cheaper than having those jobs here. The corporations easily made those decisions as they were reflected in the share price of their stock and that is the number one priority for most publicly traded companies. These companies never cared a bit about working conditions- that’s why they all looked the other way when presented with evidence that children were their labor, working in unsafe conditions. I’d say nothing has really changed. Sure companies pay lip service to ESG initiatives but that’s for PR. For Apple to treat over seas employees of Foxconn or other manufacturers the same way apple corporate employees in the U.S. are paid would mean an apple iPhone price of thousands of dollars.

[@alecpritchard]

Incredible conversation, thanks

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@hotchicsf]

Very insightful. Thank you for the information.

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@MrSuperGodzilla]

The core of his argument is that global commerce relies entirely on the US navy protection and that US is going to withdrawl its presence patrolling the oceans. He doesn't discuss that, just throw these ideas as a given premise. Both assumptions are, at the very least, questinable though. And if you rule out any of these two assumptions all his reasoning falls apart.

[@marvinstorm9153]

Correct

[@ddoppster]

No, much of his conclusions also come from demographics, the shrinking of many workforces while the retired segment is a huge burden, coming soon.

[@MrSuperGodzilla]

@@ddoppster You're missing the point. He indeed spends most of the time talking about demographics, but that's not at all how he explains deglobalization, which he states will unfold due to US stopping patrolling the oceans and the rest of the world being unable to secure global trading by themselves. If you rule out those two assumptions then global commerce will remain and, without this deglobalized world scenario, all his reasoning based on demographics falls apart.

[@cletushatfield8817]

@@MrSuperGodzilla I've been critical of this Ziehan guy, but I think there is some evidence that the US involvement in securing waterways matters. The activities of Somali pirates along the Horn of Africa alone were wrecking havoc and it doesn't take much to commander a freighter. Sooner or later, given freighter hijackings, exports will slow or stop.

[@ToriZealot]

... and Zeihan really believes that a Biden Regime is superior to long-term planning of China's communist party.

[@ThomasElmore-dh7pu]

Thanks!

[@RealVisionFinance]

Thanks for watching, Thomas! Welcome to Real Vision

[@nedrawlings6762]

A great guest, Peter is an incredible source of information and insight. This channel has SO many ads it's distracting to watch.

[@paul_devos]

Great interview. You pulled a ton out of Peter. On that end, how does Peter know so much? Feel like others are so much more narrowly informed. How does one get that much "true" (real) information at the levels of industries he talks about...

[@extrememiami]

I just found out about him 2 hours ago by watching a speech from him 7 years ago and 100% of all his predictions came true these past few years it's insane huh. Glad I found him. Going to binge watch him today. Any best videos you love please let me know. Cheers

[@kknudsen4907]

He reads, analyzes and postulates. While a lot of what he says does make intelligent sense there is not a way to ever fully predict the future. Factors could change that affect some of his analysis but he’s definitely a great speaker and postulator. I think there have always been the world is nigh type people. The one thing he doesn’t rely on is the capabilities for human response and innovation. If countries he mentions struggle and start falling as he suggests one would hope people would find ways to adapt and overcome so the doom and gloom this man predicts may not quite unfold as he predicts. Remember he is predicting based on numbers and analysis. That is never a perfect science. I find him very thought provoking but the hopelessness he indicates for humanity seems destructive and I have more faith in humanity than that.

[@jonathankipps9061]

Zeihan has also mentioned having a team that helps him collect information. He's not just a one-man-band. I'm not sure who's paying him for all of this, or whether his book sales are enough to fund the whole enterprise.

[@brentfletchermd]

He has said that he gets a lot of information in the process of preparing presentations for his clients, who explain their perspectives to get the most out of his.

[@jessepolkjr7067]

@@extrememiami Well, he did predict Russia would take Kiev easy and quickly but that did not happen.

[@Telluwide]

Great interview! One of the better Zeihan interviews I've seen. Well done!

[@RealVisionFinance]

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[@toddjohnson271]

I can't imagine avoiding global conflict with all the transition pains.