Killing Floor 2 | Support Weapons Worst To Best

[@thelonewolf9866]

Me when I play support: AA-12: Prepear for trouble! Boomstick: And make it double!

[@ReapeeRon]

Team Fleshpound is Blasting off again!!!!

[@jaxxanthony5350]

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[@peterd9769]

For me, the M4 is the most reliable shotgun choice. I don't see it's reload as a negative as its shell reload means you can stop half-way through a full reload to shoot something, then keep reloading again. With mag reloads it's all or nothing.

[@ReapeeRon]

The M4 is one of my favorites in this game. it's pretty great overall, and yes that is pretty nice that if something get close when reloading you can reload cancel and attack.

[@colinisaacs9170]

I love the M4.... my personal favourite load out is Max M4, Max Boomstick, C4 - it can pretty much solo a lane, especially with Tight Choke increasing the effective range of the M4

[@PhunnyShirts]

They actually improve the reload speed on the M4 combat shotgun a year ago to the point that it's one of the fastest reloading shotguns in the game, just behind doomstick and broomstick (and this is without reload skill).

[@ReapeeRon]

That is true, it does reload much faster than the other tube fed shotguns like the sg500 or the dragonsbreathe. it's a pretty nice gun overall. When I first started playing this game, the M4 was a joke. All around worse then the Nailgun. It's nice that it is a good weapon now.

[@Ottriman]

@@ReapeeRon No doubt carried over from KF 1 where the Combat Shotgun was a terrible weapon. Only held 6 shots and reloaded at like half the rate of the basic pump shotgun in that game. Good that they changed their minds and buffed it later.

[@PhunnyShirts]

@@ReapeeRon While I agree with most of your ratings for shotguns, the only disagreement I have is putting Medic Shotgun at #4. Everything else is fine, but I would switch Dragon's Breath with Medic Shotgun. Dragon's Breath (DB) has that fire feature where it makes Zeds panic AND causes DoT; if the blast doesn't get them, the burn will. Many times I've gone toe-to-toe with a Scrake on Suicidal as a lvl 15 Support simply because I made him panic while maintaining a safe distance and reloading before the Scrake regains his composure. Also, you can get DB very early (by wave 2) and have that be the workhorse weapon. I've used Medic Shotgun so many times and I can't find the justification for it as 10 rounds and a high fire rate. Unless a medic isn't on the team, that would be the only time I would consider the Medic Shotgun.

[@exquisitedelusion3925]

Neat little detail about he M4, it reloads faster than the Sg 500 and Dragons breath because the slot that takes in the shells has enough space to prevent the slot from pinching your finger. Really nice peace of mind in real life and makes reloading significantly smoother

[@ReapeeRon]

Awesome, I have never had the chance to handle a M4, I have handled a Mossberg 500 plenty of time. Can't say that I have ever tried a pistol grip only 500. I think that would be pretty uncomfortable.

[@vittoanaranto4795]

doomstick really is insane. got me through hell on earth with it alone. well placed head shot can E a s i l y one shot skrakes and flesh pounds.

[@ReapeeRon]

Doomstick is insanely satisfying to use. I love the noise it makes when you shoot it.

[@judsongaiden9878]

Quad-barrel shotguns actually exist and are called "vierlings" (from the German word "vier" meaning "four"), though that term also applies to quad-barrel rifles and combination guns. The usual configuration was a combination gun with two rifle barrels (usually one small caliber and one large caliber) and two shotguns barrels (same gauge). They were more popular in Europe where "mixed-bag" hunting was more common, and they were typically made in Germany. They were upscale, custom-made per customer specs, and were ritzy to the max. *Note:* The Chiappa Triple Crown or Triple Threat can have barrel inserts dropped into the 12-gauge barrels, allowing the user to transform them into triple-barrel rifles or combination guns. In any configuration, they're called "drillings" (from the German word "drie" meaning "three").

[@DamnItKairo]

Legit ! That’s why I keep Doom or use demo kaboomshot reload direct/radius build

[@mrgunshot33]

the HZ12 is one of my favourites cause its really fun to use if you get magazine skills, you basically never reload, and the reloads arent that slow

[@DrLoyon]

It looks like a cheaper version of AA12

[@alexander2019.]

Yeah love the h1-z1

[@ReapeeRon]

That is one of the best guns to use the Larger mags with.

[@Gonzodiac]

I like HZ-12. Great against trash, good magazine size, a lot of ammo and works well with Barrage. I might use it as part of my end game loadout.

[@entertainmentfan1463]

I always find that the HZ12 tends to be very underrated. It's weight is the same as your starting weapon at 5 and it only cost 750 which is quite cheap compared to the other weapons. It's damage is 200 which is a good deal more than the AA-12, and not that much lower than the other shotguns that beats it. It's magazine fed so no issues when it comes to reloading. It's magazine starts at 16 shots which is 2nd highest behind the AA-12. It's fire rate maybe a bit weird, but it's definitely fast for a shotgun. It's only 2 downsides I can think of is that it's spread is 0.15, so it's more of a medium range shotgun as oppose to the AA-12, the M4 and the medic shotgun which are slightly more accurate at further range. The 2nd downside is that it's ammo can be quite expensive at 64, but that's why the support is designed to carry more than one weapon. Overall I don't find it's downsides bringing down it's drastic goodsides by that much.

[@ReapeeRon]

That one has always been a pretty solid weapon.

[@Gonzodiac]

Always a pleasure to play Support, so many loadouts to choose from due to huge carrying capasity. For me the best shotgun what it comes to price and what you get is the Boomstick. It's my first pick if I want to play safe. I usually keep it as part of my end game loadout. Some practise and a player can easily solo a Scrake, even without upgrades. Doomstick is super strong but boring, so I always take AA-12 instead. If I have room for a weight of 5, I might pick dual Buck Shot and a Medic Pistol instead of a weapon like HZ-12 (which Ilike). Nice burst damage although a bit inaccurate in close range, meaning I wouldn't use them on solo big zed takedowns unless I'm forced to. Once again great review, huge thanks.

[@ReapeeRon]

Glad that you enjoyed the video! I would also say for the price you get the most value out of the Boomstick. That thing is crazy good. I too like that you can take so many things with the Support. That extra weight is awesome!

[@bentrieschmann]

I will point out that both pump shotguns can be fired if need be as soon as the first shell is loaded, which makes the longer reloads more tolerable.

[@ReapeeRon]

Ya, unless it is the last shot then it's pretty bad.

[@bentrieschmann]

@@ReapeeRon True, that sucks. I try to keep more than one round when playing support and always run extended mag as well.

[@mrd2392]

I like med shotgun. Fast shooting and they reload with mag so i can dig the fast reload peak, plus tou can heal with it so i can train medic as well

[@ReapeeRon]

It's pretty strong and surprisingly accurate.

[@motivationichan2951]

Imo the Blunderbuss is probably one of the best weapons in the whole game solely due to the fact that it does high damage and you can use the primary fire explosive to kill Fleshpounds easily and the alt fire shotgun to kill Scrakes easily. But I can see why it ranked where it did, I play mostly solo so I bet it's better on solo than multiplayer.

[@ReapeeRon]

The Blunderbuss is a super fun weapon to use. I also find this weapon a bit better in solo, but it can work pretty well in Multiplayer to. I have used it a few times and it's been okay.

[@mrd2392]

Only thing i dont like about it was the gun reload each shot.

[@matthewdrury7264]

@@mrd2392 that’s the whole point of using one of those weapons tho it’s uniqueness makes it challenging to use but fun

[@HFTVChannel]

I like the vladnail gun for the support , i believe its a little bit underappreciated. Great list as always

[@ReapeeRon]

It's still a pretty good weapon overall.

[@n30ch1m3r4]

Preferred loadout on Support are always the 301 HM Shotgun and the AA-12. With a tight choke the 301 can rinse Scrakes and also do decent enough damage on Fleshpounds. As for the AA-12 running through ammo, simply switch fire modes as needed.

[@ReapeeRon]

That works pretty well on every map. And with every team.

[@n30ch1m3r4]

@@ReapeeRon it's my preferred though for early waves, the Dragonsbreath and HZ Multi-action are decent.

[@temhunter6341]

I love playing both breserker and support, and I know this is probably pointless to say but God does it feel weird going from sonic speed to slow af

[@ReapeeRon]

Ya, it feels pretty different when switching to a class with extra movespeed.

[@David-ln8qh]

Lots of great weapons but personally a big big fan of the M4. I tend to prefer weapons that are never far from their next shot even if reloading the whole gun is slower. Centerfire, M4, and single 1911 being what I'd consider very reliable.

[@ReapeeRon]

M4 is awesome!

[@manuelhernandez2017]

Same, up close reloading one round and fire is better than having to wait to reload the entire mag defenseless during.

[@chipngo9758]

In kf1 support is my choice for multiple reasons. One got 11 nades. One can weild doors faster. One can handle 25 kilos.

[@ReapeeRon]

That is pretty awesome!

[@loopsbruther411]

I legit constantly switch between the shotguns

[@ReapeeRon]

They are all pretty good, just play whatever sounds fun at the time.

[@sgsurge9642]

LOVE THESE VIDS!!!!! sharpshooter next?

[@ReapeeRon]

Sure, I could do them next!

[@loldatfunny]

hey reapee ron. new subscriberr here. im really enjoying these types of list videos but i think it would help out greatly if the background footage were supplemental gameplay footage of the weapons being discussed as it would give me a better idea of what kind of weapon you are talking about. i know it might take extra work and by no means you have to do it. it's just two cents from a new sub. great video and thanks!

[@ReapeeRon]

That is a good idea Brian, I can try doing that. It shouldn't take to much extra time to add clips like that.

[@loldatfunny]

@@ReapeeRon well i noticed that you used to do that in some of your older videos. i dont know if it's necessary to spend extra time doing something that won't make much of a difference in viewership. i know you're busy with strict streaming and video schedule. you do you. thanks for the kind response

[@freed991]

Frost fang and m4 is a beast combo. Scrake and fp take downs are a blast.

[@ReapeeRon]

100% agree!

[@Acesahn]

I never found the muzzle climb to be that huge of an issue for multiaction. I mean yea, it kicks but I could still land my shots... assuming I was aiming for center mass of course.

[@Irish1Eric]

I like this format alot. Looking fiward to the rest, Medic more so

[@ReapeeRon]

Thanks! Medic is kind of hard to rank because all of there weapons are pretty useful.

[@judsongaiden9878]

Prepare for a "master's thesis" (as Oboeshoes would say). 1:04 It should hold six standard rounds (five in the tube, one in the chamber). How'd they get that wrong? I don't understand how it's possible to get that wrong! Mossberg makes a version of that same model (the 500) that has a 20" barrel and a flush-fit mag tube that holds seven plus one. Then there's the 590 which holds one round more in the same tube length (which means they must have restructured the spring). 1:08 What is it with video game shotgun shells always having a payload of seven pellets?! Did Half-Life start that trend? That's a prime number so it doesn't make geometric sense. Should be eight, nine, or 12 depending on load. Typical 12-gauge (18.5mm) combat loads are #00 (nine or 12 pellets) or #000 (eight or 10 pellets) which can be contained in standard (70mm length) or Magnum (76mm length) shells. 1:32 Single-loaded fixed-tube guns will always reload slow, but you should always be able to interrupt the reload. Thankfully, Killing Floor 2 realistically depicts chamber-loading, which is a necessity if yer gonna use a fixed-tube gun for combat purposes. It's the only way to get a full load and it's also the only way to be able to fire a shot while loading the tube. 2:10 / 17:24 No front sight?! Why doesn't it have a front sight?! Other than that, I dig the concept. Basically like a Masher from Borderlands 1. And yes, I even think of the real-world Taurus Judge (or other shotgun revolvers) that way. *Note:* Why are ALL revolvers in this game fired single-action even if they're double-action? 3:12 That's because they don't have magazines. They have cylinders. You can't increase the number of chambers in a cylinder. It has whatever fills out its size. 3:47 Why'd they get that mag capacity correct but not the Mossberg? They have the same tube length (roughly) and same capacity. Is there any mention of shell length? If mini-shells are being used, that would explain it. But six pellets is obviously less than seven and there's a capacity difference of two with the lesser capacity one also using shells with lesser payload, so the mini-shell argument is obviously null. And by that, I mean nonsensical. Also, I loved the Winchester 1897 in KF1. *Note:* This game has an ax combined with a lever-action elemental cryo shotgun (which somehow holds six rounds despite having a mag tube length shorter than a foot), but they never thought to have a Trench Gun with a bayonet? 4:44 The upside to a fixed-tube gun, regardless of its capacity, is that you can top off the mag at any time with relative ease. Pump shotguns are easier to load than lever-action rifles whether they load down the front (not applicable here) or have a proper "king's gate" loading port. 6:13 "Nice little gun." It's a hogleg! Not that I'm "hoss-shaming." A shotgun revolver gonna be a hoss by handgun standards. *\8-P* 6:18 In KF1, I'd often pair the Vlad with an AA-12 when playing Support. *}:-D* 7:15 That might actually be a "clip." I don't know for sure. Generally speaking, a clip is a device, other than a speedloader, used for loading a magazine or a cylinder. 7:20 Because it's pneumatic. See also the pneumatic weapons from the M.E.T.R.O. games a go go (the Helsing's the best). 7:26 Shotguns don't use bullets, but I'm just nitpicking. *\8-P* 8:14 Of course, a DP-12 could never really be converted to use box mags. See also the converted KSG from KF1. Where do the shells eject? This design would work if it wasn't a bullpup. Would still be a clunky hoss, though. It should have ejection ports on both sides of the receiver and would eject two shells at a time in both directions at once per action cycle. If it was made to be select-fire, you could fire either two separate Sh0ts or one double-Sh0t per action cycle. *Note:* Notice how it retains its twin mag tubes even though it's been converted to use box mags, just like its modified KSG predecessor from KF1. That's a lot of useless parts that just add unnecessary weight. Mossberg did that with the single tube on their model 590M, but in that case, it's only one tube which doesn't add too much weight. It's done mostly to retain as much of the old design as possible. One potential redesign concept, for the sake of eliminating unnecessary parts and weight, would be to remove the tube, encase the barrel in a barrel jacket, then have a forearm that rides along the jacket with a smooth internal housing. 9:29 Steampunk flak cannon. Or dieselpunk if you prefer. *}:-D* *Note:* Since it feeds from a cylinder, there's no purposeful reason for having a flared muzzle. Also, since it holds three rounds, the cylinder should be way bigger in proportion to the B0re. 11:34 How does it hold so many rounds in such a short tube?! Mini-shells? What about the shotshell payload in proportion to standard shells? They should have made the barrel and mag tube just a little bit longer and had it hold three or four in the tube, plus one in the chamber. 12:18 The most ordinary shotgun is one of the best because they gave its shells a realistic payload of 10 pellets (equivalent to 12-gauge Magnum #000 buckshot). Not sure what make or model they based it on, but it's a hammerless boxlock just like the various double-barrel shotguns used by Ash Williams (none of which is a Remington). 13:14 A shotgun that has its magazine well in its grip. I bet they partially based it on the MAG-7 or MAG-7M1. 14:12 Equivalent to standard 12-gauge #000 buckshot. 14:44 Like a more neatly arranged version of Reggie's gun from Phantasm. *};-P*

[@ReapeeRon]

:)

[@Original_Icegod101]

nice to see vlad getting some highlight as an early game/extra option

[@ReapeeRon]

It's a pretty strong weapon early on and a good weapon as the match goes on. Super cheap ammo too.

[@genzu6388]

Best support weapon: the knife, the penetrative power on it tho

[@ReapeeRon]

It does even better once you put a skin on it!

[@genzu6388]

@@ReapeeRon of course, the skin amps it by like 60 times, but only for the first time you use it

[@Ottriman]

Since you mentioned a lot of shotguns that weigh 5, and support maxes out at 20 weight...... I suggest you try the 4x5 loadout! Be max level support and use 4 shotguns that weigh 5 each. The 5 weight shotguns: SG 500, Double-barrel, HZ-12, Dragonsbreath, VLAD-1000.

[@ReapeeRon]

I could try that once I level my Support back up to 25. I just prestiged them so it might take a little while.

[@DamnItKairo]

That would be fun ! I’d have to focus reload time 1 flipper ,2 clippers ,and a pump

[@Ottriman]

@@DamnItKairo Yeah juggling 4 reload intensive weapons would be a major challenge.

[@undivineesther9364]

I lost both my shoulders to the doomstick, I still main it

[@ReapeeRon]

Shoulders are for the weak, they were only holding you back!

[@2015gtbass]

Started useing the M4 with the medic shotgun. Love the combination.

[@ReapeeRon]

That is pretty strong, it's hard to make a bad combo for Support though. :)

[@2015gtbass]

@@ReapeeRon facts

[@vmxkarelyn_0842]

The doomstick looks absolutely gorgeous.

[@ReapeeRon]

It is a thing of beauty.

[@Irish1Eric]

As a player, new, who mostly runs medicand support, any of the weapon dlc worth buyung?

[@ReapeeRon]

You don't need any of the DLCs and I would wait if you want more than 2 of them and then just get the bundle deal that gives you all of them.

[@JOHNNY_UTAH92]

Nice video. Do you play on oc or console? Im playing berserker and loving it. Support is the next character im going to be playing with.

[@ReapeeRon]

Thank you! I play on PC, but I use a Xbox Controller. Glad that you are liking Berserker, I think that you will like Support too. The shotguns are pretty fun.

[@chipngo9758]

Very accurate list. Totally agree.

[@ReapeeRon]

Glad you think so!

[@uselesschub2895]

amazing list! truly support has no bad guns, I just like the "use whatever you like and it will be good" feeling with support Also, there is now fleshpound plushie! Are you going to buy one?

[@ReapeeRon]

Thanks! I wasn't aware there was a Fleshpound Plushie I might have to order one of those.

[@kosbebot6360]

Some of the weapons did feel really weak for low level supports, but once I got mine to 20 it was all gravy.

[@ReapeeRon]

Yeah I have heard that a few times usually involving the spread but level 15 makes that much better.

[@keynanmartinez]

My Third Favorite Class in Killing Floor 2.

[@pointsbr]

My support loadout : double barrel, boomstick, HRG

[@ReapeeRon]

Cool!

[@Baro_Fjellheim]

I use the single Buckshot as a quick replacement for the SG-500 because of my dislike for the SG-500.

[@ReapeeRon]

I know a lot of people like to do that.

[@mrniceguy9583]

i use nailgun

[@ReapeeRon]

Nailgun is pretty good too.

[@angolano197]

Aa

[@ReapeeRon]

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