Rebel Moon: Part One - Spoilers Discussion!

[@MrDe4dGuy34]

Kora: “I don’t like to talk about my past.” *explains her entire backstory after being asked once*

[@matthewjarek3026]

"I don't like to talk about my past." "Oh, okay. I'll just leave you alone th-" "Woah, hold on. I didn't say I wouldn't explain my past, I just don't like talking about it." "Well that's a very strange way to-" "Here, let me get comfortable. So when I was very young, I lost everything and everyone I ever loved in one day and was then immediately adopted by the guy who took it all away from me..."

[@MrDe4dGuy34]

⁠@@matthewjarek3026Handsome Farmer Guy: “I’m so sorry to hear that, Gamora-I mean Kora.” Kora: “Thank you, Luke Skywalker.”

[@Mshagy02]

still doesn't mean she likes it. I'm sure no one would like talking about how they used to be a naz i soldier

[@MrDe4dGuy34]

@@Mshagy02 I’m not suggesting she liked it, rather that she overcame her hesitation to talk about her past pretty quick. It came off a bit jarring to say the least.

[@Mshagy02]

@@MrDe4dGuy34 she offered to tell gunna about her past because like she said at the “i want you to understand the kinda person i am” cuz gunna saw her save sam and also has feelings for her so she wanted to turn him off her

[@SoldierSpiderx]

The film felt like a fantasy RPG where you spend the first half recruiting your party but you don’t bother to go through each of your companion’s dialogue options to max out their affinity. Your only interest is that everyone looks cool and has good stats.

[@maskedlongshadow17]

🤣 LITERALLY HOW I FELT!!!! Best comment to describe my feelings

[@shiroeschulz4515]

this is exactly what i felt.

[@MrDe4dGuy34]

My words exactly. Like my EXACT words. Bruh, you didn’t need to steal my comment from Jeremy Jahn’s video.

[@Ioganstone]

So a Vin Diesel movie where he recruits people to do one last heist and calls them "son of a b*tch"

[@BlackstarSI]

Damn! You are SPOT ON. I never thought of it that way but you described my feelings perfectly. Well done 💯

[@calibratedtub4810]

Nobody noticed how a turret gunner can control the movement of the entire ship eventhough he was clearly not in the cockpit. Like do all turret gunners fight over which way the ship goes.

[@ANTIStraussian]

That was infuriating. Also the young solider switches sides when the troops try to grape the farm girl. He helps Kara fight them off and then.... Leaves the movie and doesn't join their quest at all. Oops, "we kinda forgot about the young solider.

[@doesitmatter1670]

​@ANTIStraussian well obviously we couldn't have an interesting or compelling character join the crew. Everyone needs to be good or bad, nothing in the middle with paper thin characteristics.

[@Janx14]

@@ANTIStraussian Yeah its weird how the movie almost reboots itself after the grape scene. Young Soldier + Robot + Kora + Farmer man going to go find Titus and free him / get his groove back would have been a perfectly fine story. But nah, lets abandon most the cast we just spent 30 min developing to go recruit some randos and give Titus a bath.

[@ANTIStraussian]

@@Janx14 so the dreadnought has a wheat mill to turn the 12,000 bushels of wheat into flower then make it into bread and pasta? What a hilarious concept. "Sargent get that wheat down to deck 39 and start making flower now! We got a crew to feed!" It makes the world feel so small lol

[@Janx14]

@@ANTIStraussian Sometimes you can distract the audience from issues like that with decent characters and pacing. Neither of which this movie has. Honestly the whole idea they can defeat this ship is laughable. It literally exterimatus' an entire planet effectively on its own in this movie. It could have also grabbed so food while there lol.

[@robe.1084]

One thing that was very ridiculous was that they were told to find love in the Empirial army- which directly contradicts what Kora says in the beginning about having love beat out of her and seeing love as a weakness 😅. I was like wtf?

[@JB-sc1tg]

I posted the same thing. When she kissed the guy in the flashback I was so confused.

[@barthollomewhunt7320]

This is cinema.

[@THAMAINMAN2025]

So glad I checked out with BVS. Frak Zack.

[@cochonkg]

I thought that actually made sense. I think Kora says that soldiers were encouraged to have lovers so that they would fight for each other even if they didn't believe in the mission of the army as a whole. Her experience with romance is it being used as a tool by the rulers to manipulate soldiers to fight endless wars of conquest. This isn't explained, but I assume she figures out the duplicity at some point and has a very cynical view on love after that which is why she's distant during the events of the movie. It reminded me of Brave New World and was one of the cool pieces of worldbuilding that unfortunately gets buried under the plot, dialogue, and character issues of the movie.

[@robe.1084]

@@cochonkg I like your premise but that’s not what was said in the dialogue or what they were implying in the scene. It’s one thing to say we were taught to use love as a weapon and i became disillusioned with it- but she said they were taught love was a weakness and it was beat out of her so she didn’t know how to love. Two very different things. I applaud your reach though, wish they would have leaned more towards what you’re saying.

[@gamb1t]

the start was great I just dont understand why the robot and the private where just dropped out of the movie. They spent 30 mins building there characters they should of been part of the team.

[@3rdeyerate508]

My comment exactly.

[@christiandauz3742]

This was all supposed to be one movie but instead split into two!

[@combatwombat2134]

The start up until when? Personally I thought that the barn fight was amongst the worst action scenes I've ever had the misfortune of seeing put to screen. 😅

[@AngryJoeShow]

amen

[@christiandauz3742]

@@AngryJoeShow I agree. This should have been a TV show Zack Snyder is trying to do a Rogue One and doing badly

[@jacobdarling1524]

This feels like a first draft. It has paper thin characters with zero development or arcs, nonexistent themes and paint by numbers plot that just feels like checking boxes. Edit: Also I totally agree with Joe about the regent. He looks like the lucky charms guy or a Keebler elf in a shitty fake beard.

[@nokturnallex2160]

Zack comes off as a little kid still learning how to write a story. "And then, And then, And then, And then, Big Explosion Yay!"

[@jacobdarling1524]

@@nokturnallex2160Completely agree. His movies feel like the stuff I would come up with as a little kid playing with my action figures.

[@Bayard1503]

I mean, Netflix payed him in advance... why would he touch up the script?? He wrote it up in a day and got down to filming...

[@Cifer77]

Kora: I'm incapable of love, they beat it out of me Flashback Kora: The Empire encouraged we fall in love with a fellow soldier, so I did.

[@matttriano]

The loss might have broken her but they didn't beat it out of her

[@theorbitalone7283]

The robot was the only thing in the entire movie that was genuinely super interesting

[@ANTIStraussian]

And he stays on the farm planet and doesn't go on their quest to save money on cgi. Oops!

[@z00ko]

I think the robot is linked to the dead daughter of the king. Like maybe she is the robot now. Because of how it glowed after the girl

[@PhsykoOmen]

​@@ANTIStraussian? Why would he?

[@ANTIStraussian]

@@PhsykoOmen Jimmy is obviously one of the 7 samurai

[@1337ABD]

Yes when I saw that one scene with the robot and the girl talking I really starting thinking that the movie wasn't as bad as people were saying but then I saw the robot run away with out a word. I thought "there is no way there are just going to leave this plot thread tangling are they?" that was the point where I thought maybe the movie is as bad as people say.

[@liveac3694]

It kinda bothered me that "generic bad guy" was wearing a shirt and tie when the other characters were dressed like Warhammer 40k/Dune/Star Wars cosplayers.

[@oberonvortigern4138]

Bro looked like Walmart Oppenheimer when he was fighting Korra. It’s so out of place 😂

[@NaruBrilu]

Peaky Blinder mf

[@Ryan125y]

Zacky always promises the director's cut is going to be better. Why not make it good in the first place?

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

the stabbing cockpit guy scene is beyond stupid not just because the way it comically happens but also because the glass shield of a goddamn space warship is easily breakable with a stick

[@Direksone]

I said this also on the other video, but the films Snyder gets lauded for in terms of cinematography (300, Watchmen for instance) he was NOT the cinematographer. That was Larry Fong.

[@eternalbeing3339]

Watchmen is his best. I love that movie.

[@ash072]

Thank you!

[@Milton2k]

Whoever wrote the "farmer scenes" has never planted a single flower in their life.

[@TalosCreative]

But have you farmed in slo-mo before? Apparently its different...

[@georgekostaras]

They didn’t even have a tractor, it was medieval at best

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

Notice how the guy known as he farmer didn't do anything on the farm..He just stood there watching "Kora strong women who don't need know man" do all the work herself 😂

[@angrybird2107]

The dumbest thing for me was during the seed sowing scene when they heard a loud noise in the skies of the mothership, it was so loud every planter heard it only for kora to rush to the market center to beat the gong.

[@georgekostaras]

@@angrybird2107wow I just realized how dumb that was

[@Mechanical-Animal]

The worst thing about this movie is that there isn't one single moment of the heroes connecting with each other on the ship. That's how their backgrounds and motivations should have been revealed. Also, the final battle should have shown them bring their skills together to win. Instead, one guy spears the big ship through the windshield which is utterly stupid.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Also the ships sucked. I love sci fi because I geek out over the ships and read ship design videos. The ships in this movie looks like they googled "free open source cgi models for download"

[@Bayard1503]

Ships that supposedly should resist meteorites and space debris.

[@Milton2k]

34:33 When the leader of the militia gets killed, taking down the ship, one of his lieutenants (the only survivor from that faction) cries from the top of her lungs: "No!!!!", yet nobody cares... for he had no arc... only quite a fake one. A failed attempt of drama, not to become melodrama, but mostly a joke.

[@TalosCreative]

blood axe, so named because of his axe...no he doesn't use an axe, he has a gun then borrows a spear of some kind. But we can just imagine that he maybe did things off screen in the past or that his father did to get the name or something...well I suppose it doesn't matter anymore...

[@PaulSman123]

Dont forget the close up of the admiral losing his teeth then he suddenly had all his teeth back after he was in the goo or whatever it was.

[@TalosCreative]

This, i had to skip back for a double take on the his screaming to camera CU shots as it drew added attention to his teeth...ALL of them still being in his mouth after being knocked the fuck out...The final clarifying moment that nobody gave a fuck about what was happening scene to scene. Hilariously frustrating film to watch.

[@PaulSman123]

@@TalosCreative I did the same thing 100%

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

I didnt even noticed he got his teeth back😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jdlightsey]

Indeed... Completely weird to spend all the effort doing CGI animations of teeth flying out in one scene, then show a pristine set of teeth in another scene afterwards. If this was supposed to show that his teeth were repaired by the goo pod, it failed miserably and comes off more as a continuity error.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Goo-teeth. Simple

[@BaronVonHardcharger]

By the Spider Lady part, I was puttering around on my second screen, reading news stuff. I would look up and go "Hunh, that's a thing there..... " every 15 minutes or so after that.

[@eternalbeing3339]

When she could have killed the sword lady but grabs her, holds her up and growls.

[@MentorRick]

That's what happens when you spread your focus too thin.

[@nyikomaswanganyi5983]

​@@eternalbeing3339 That was a strange thing, among a plethora of strange decisions.

[@bongwaterbojack]

@@MentorRick that's what happens when a movie fails to hold your attention.

[@joshpark1]

Kora - amazing fighter and battlefield mind. General Titus - a warrior genius. Neither saw the grifter betrayal coming a mile away. In fact carried the boxes that were the scorpion shackles off the ship?! Like no has seen those boxes before?!

[@MrEsphoenix]

Not to mention Kora trusts him so easily despite it being strongly suggested that the reason she's out there in the first place is that the man who raised her after killing her whole family, used her in a plot to murder the emperor and his daughter in a power grab and intended to throw her under the bus.

[@Marco-qo7ct]

The part when they were captured and Kora escapes but Bloodaxe and General Titus and them is still shackled up 10 feet in front of the senator and a platoon of heavily armed bad guys. The antagonists could've easily shot up the lot of them ending the rebellion but was fixated on just killing 1 person Kora hiding behind them is crazy. Such a bad scene lol. Come on now.

[@24mscinta]

Also when the explosions happen, Kora, has to hide behind the capture machine for cover while everyone is still shackled up and took the blast to the face.

[@loststoryproductions]

This. The rest was boring but this scene was just on a whole level of stupid.

[@spartakas659]

I watched this scene and laughed my ass off.

[@Highostrich]

Classic Zack Snyder scene

[@ANTIStraussian]

When the turret gunner is killed he leans forward onto the controls and the ship crashes. You know, it's not like pilots on the bridge control the giant space ship. It's the left turret guy.

[@djcrouton2680]

The exposition dump where she stop and says “I’m telling you this so you know who I am” reminded me of a bad video game cutscene from something that was originally Japanese and translated to English without any proofreading.

[@MrDe4dGuy34]

And she does it twice too! She’s like an RPG video game companion who has an exclamation point over her head so you know you’ve unlocked new dialogue with her.

[@FalCorianHojasanta]

Her name is katana, she's got my back. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims.

[@fredgilbert2032]

All your base are belong to us.

[@awesomehpt8938]

Why should I care about any of these characters? I can’t remember half their names. They just get chucked in front of me and there’s no character development. Zach is trying to do too much in a 2 hour movie. The main protagonist is boring. I don’t know who she is as a person.

[@What.99]

I thought it was funny how Kai knows where all these rebels and people that the Empire placed extremely high bounties on are, but he does nothing with that knowledge until he sees Kora in the bar. Like, he’s clearly fine with selling out people for financial gain, but yeah it totally makes sense that this guy would totally just sit on his knowledge of valued targets that the Empire would pay handsomely for information on, and just wait until some high-valued target stumbles into him instead. Also, I found it interesting that it shows Nemesis cutting off Spider-Lady’s legs, yet every time it showed a widescreen of her/it, she/it has all her/its limbs still. The same thing happened with Ajax when he was fighting Kora on the platform. Kora hits Ajax, and they make a point of showing (in slow motion, btw) multiple teeth getting knocked out of his mouth and off the platform. After he gets thrown off the platform and falls hundreds of feet, a ship shows up and just instantly knows where his body was. Looked pretty good for a guy that fell hundreds of feet. Anyway, when they load him onto the gurney, you see that Ajax still has all of his teeth, which you see again when he talks to low-budget Emperor Palpatine. It was like Zack Snyder kept forgetting what happened seconds earlier in the movie, and didn’t bother to go back and check to make sure the continuity was intact.

[@TheSpellcaztr]

Thank you for addressing that situation where they turn the tide after being captured and dead to rights 😂!!!

[@TalosCreative]

They willfully wrote themselves into corners and then just use the writing equivalent of 'noclip' cheat to just leave and go to another section that has nothing to with the previous one they were in.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

That part made me stop and question what was going on. It had faults but that was too much.

[@michaellane5381]

​@@A_KZbin_Commenterit's that one point that you know as a gamer everyone should have been shooting the guys strapped in and just nuking the platform but the game would make enemies there invincible and it would be the worst part of the game.

[@eddiek8179]

The thing is - once the bad soldiers in the village were killed, they didn't have to look for mercenaries anymore. The reason the were looking for mercenaries to defend the village was because they feared they would be wiped out. However, with them dead and having another 9 weeks before the rest come back - they could have easily migrated off to other planets available in that galaxy and simply got themselves absorbed into society since no soldier actually remembers who they are. I mean Kora and her companion were planet hopping with ease all over the galaxy. There is no reason for the villagers to stay and risk their lives fighting alongside mercs. If there was an in-movie reason why they should stay, then fine but none was ever given. Galaxy travel was available but yet they chose to stay and hope they can get mercs to save their collective asses. That's a huge plothole.

[@MrEsphoenix]

Yeah. At first I reasoned that as it being a frontier town, probably on a newly occupied world without widespread means for people to survive off the land and they where maybe transported there as passengers, hence the only technology they don't have much technology (apart from automatic doors for some reason). That was instantly blown out the water by the abundance of wildlife then the fact they where right down the road from a major city with a space port.

[@broodwarjc1517]

The spider monster lifting up the samurai chick with laser sabers and just growls at her, while waiting for the samurai chick to stab her.... awful action scene.

[@thewolf01x95]

Im convinced snyder cultists need smooth brains to join.

[@B-...]

The villian actor was very good. Because that sort of scheming villain often comes out as pathetic or stupid. He managed to amazingly thread the role to not come off as bad or generic as it could have.

[@Bayard1503]

Oh? You liked his tie?? He's doing the same role he always does... look at him in Deadpool for example.

[@deletedwaffles]

Yes more Anthony Hopkins robot. I can't believe how little scenes they gave the BEST character in the game.

[@ANTIStraussian]

They obviously left him on the farm to save money on cgi.

[@Bayard1503]

Why are you in a hurry to see him getting character assassination?? You know it's coming in part 2.

[@dimanes2]

The best part of this film? Its existence might inspire people to check out the far superior Battle Beyond the Stars, a movie with 1/20th the budget and 100 times the fun and creativity, that it copies. And, OC, BBtS was a remake of 7S, but it was also a fresh take on it (for the time) and one that was clearly acknowledged.

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

This is the first time I ever heard about Battle Beyond the Stars

[@BaronVonHardcharger]

Cheesy and fun, and the actors KNEW that. Leaned into it and didn't hold back. And it worked on that level.

[@ash072]

@@aimanmarzuqi4804 Worth a watch. Think Prime still has it.

[@bitwawesome7]

Funny 0:25 3:03 8:44 9:44 11:07 13:26 14:47 15:51 17:01 21:03 22:02 22:22 22:55 23:16 23:45 25:50 28:00 31:26 32:41 33:16 36:12 37:17 39:39 40:20 40:44 41:32 42:04 44:14 44:48 46:08 46:41 49:09 50:55 51:32 54:54

[@michaelsatkovich4599]

Perfect review of this movie that had a better tagline synopsis of this movie that I couldn’t capture previously: “…it is a love poem of a collection of masterpieces that ended up a dick pic.” Also love the playfulness spirit back in the banter. I get that you guys interrupt each other, but the space to allow more time to flesh out each viewpoint still with some interruptions feels and flows better. The key seems to be circling back to whomever was interrupted, where before that circling back didn’t happen as frequently.

[@Cifer77]

Kora's entire motivation for this movie, came from the village girl getting taken advantage of. She's ready to run, says it's impossible to win. But hold on, this girl is about to "get some gRapes". So maybe we can make a whole franchise out of this super slim motivation.

[@rekrn12345]

The so called boltcasters were so inconsistent. Not only in that first fight but in the bar fight also. The boltcasters can't go through a wood table but they go through people..sometimes when they don't just bounce off. The whole movie was all over the place like it was written by a 12 year old.

[@MrEsphoenix]

I like to think the blasters not being able to shoot through the tables was foreshadowing them not being able to shoot through the window of the space ship despite the guy shattering it with a metal spear. I presume that's the case, otherwise him charging it with a spear and sacrificing himself despite having a gun was extra fucking stupid.

[@beelez-xi1fi]

When Bloodaxe died and his soldier buddy screamed "Noooo" I laughed out loud 😂. The film wanted you to give a damn about two characters that had less than 5 mins screen time.

[@mjtrace8391]

I thought it was strange the “Kings Gaze” was taken down from a turret.

[@jackkain7141]

17:30 The whole lovers-in-battle thing is a lift from the actual historical unit the Sacred Band of Thebes. According to some ancient Greek claims, 150 pairs of male lovers were formed the elite force of the Theban army in the 4th century BC, ending Spartan domination. The idea is that you fight harder for your lover than your colleague.

[@Sagesae]

Yes! It really felt like one of the writers came across an article of that and thought it was cool and added it without checking their own continuity. Or making the rest of Kora's dialogue blend with their idea. Or have any real reason to be mentioning that at all in her explanation of her being a badass.

[@dand1253]

The Sacred Band rightly fascinated the people of the Mediterranean, and if this was an attempt to invoke them, then that might be this movie's greatest sin. (Seriously, reading up on ancient Sparta makes the Sacred Band's defeat of them all the more captivating - not because the Spartans were such formidable opponents (they weren't), but because they represented almost perfectly opposite philosophies. The Sacred Band was united by love, trust, and camaraderie. The Spartans weren't so much united as _shackled_ - by the institutional horrors of their society, by the fear of having their entire bloodline purged from the annals and enslaved if they were deemed unmanly, by the desperate need to believe they were supermen because only that could justify what had been done to them in the name of that goal. Sparta was a nation of fear directed both inward and outward. When their warriors met an enemy who wasn't afraid of them, wasn't afraid of death, and _would not break,_ they ultimately broke upon the Sacred Bands' shieldwall like water against the shore. It's one of those rare moments where RL history decided to take a Tolkienian turn.

[@jonathonsanders2508]

Goes to talk to a King Leviticus on a planet where everything...levitates. Yeah...genius writing.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Floating sky scrappers. Silly goose of a movie.

[@Milton2k]

A “director’s cut” is expected, but I cannot fathom why the definitive cut was not the one on streaming. A theatrical cut is tethered by its runtime, but it could be episodical online as this cut feels like. It feels too episodical, as if it was conceived as a miniseries but forced to be clumsily put together as a two-part movie. I like Snyder’s flicks more than most but this “half of a movie” might only be fun if you turn your brain off… or set it in an “ultra slow motion mode”.

[@MentalLiberation]

I think I can fathom it. Why? I think back to Quentin Tarantino's the hateful eight. Did you know that both versions are on Netflix as we speak? Both being the theatrical cut and the extended episodic cut? Now, how much do you want to bet that the latter version got more views and support?. But here's the kicker: it had to happen after the original was posted. In the end, Netflix gets what it wants from people viewing the original, with lots of views and then viewing the extended cut with lots of views. It's really a win-win for them. As for snyder, well personally I honestly think that ever since people took to the extended version of watchmen, he made it a point to try and make extended versions of a lot of his movies. It's just that, if he's writing it, it's not going to be nearly as good...

[@Milton2k]

@@MentalLiberation I like Snyder's flicks more than most...yet this one is messy.

[@Milton2k]

@@MentalLiberation I guess money is king, for them.

[@Milton2k]

Snyder says it took 30 years to do this... don't make me laugh. He waited 30 years for other movies to come to copy them? Pls, don't compare Snyder with Tarantino... it is a sin. @@MentalLiberation

[@djspacebacon]

When AngryJoe said “the punch sounds epic on my sound system” it reminded me to ask; Can we get a house tour video to see how you guys operate and your setups, I think it would help great content and I’d love to see it

[@justcast1429]

I think he’s done a house tour before, idk when exactly but I vaguely remember seeing it

[@MrPhilbautista]

The whole closing fight scene is where I wished Snyder made Kai a double agent instead of a double crosser cos, let's face it, there was no way a grounded army was going to succeed against an airborne dreadnought. The way this movie played out, they could've tweaked it so that, instead of Kai double crossing Kora and company, he just used them as bait to draw in Admiral Noble close enough so they could take him out up close. It really doesn't change the story much but makes everything make more sense.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Would make more sense.

[@Monkeyshine911]

I thought for sure it would be a Lando scenario where the bad guy says "I altered the deal" and then Kai turns around and helps the good guys again

[@MrPhilbautista]

@@Monkeyshine911 NVM the writers just wrote in the plot armor. Apparently, daddy wants Kora brought in alive so she can be crucified in front of the Senate, so I guess there won't be any bombardment coming in from space and the bad guys are going to do it the stupid way and throw away lives cos they're just extras or CGI.

[@Milton2k]

47:01 I was also complaining about his survival, but he is most likely only a cyborg. Terminator like... another thing "borrowed"....

[@FivesNZ]

Not sure if others said it here. I reckon this would have done better if it was a tv show. We could have had episodes on all our characters with there back stories and then the ending could be a bigger battle with the loses and would hit much harder. My issue was how fast the team was made and I didn't care for any of them.

[@gaggs233]

That warehouse scene in BVS was thanks to the second unit

[@lastword8783]

Kora: they taught us love is weakness and I have never known love Also Kora: they made us have a lover and he died in combat in my arms :(

[@drawnhere]

That opening scene where the Motherworld wants the town's food is ripped from The Walking Dead's Negan and the Sanctuary.

[@ANTIStraussian]

The concept of a galactic empires dreadnought class war ship needs bushels of wheat.... was so hilarious to me. Okay men take the wheat to deck 45 and mill it into flower. Then take the flower to the ships kitchen and make dread and pasta! Move put! Atleast order the farmers to stop farming and mine some dilethium crystals they use for fuel or something. That atleast makes some sense.

[@TheNefariousFox]

@@ANTIStraussianTalk about missing the point... The point is oppression. Nobody gives a sh*t about the grain. Apparently people don't read classic scifi anymore. Ya'll have no imagination at all. Wow, so obtuse!

[@MrEsphoenix]

​​@@TheNefariousFox If that is what you think defines classic sci fi I think it says more about you than them. It's just all a bit dumb in the context of the movie, especially considering they gave no reasoning for them oppressing that random farming village. They gave no hint they knew of the farmers dealings with rebels, they never established that it was an essential food supply for the region, that it held any tactical advantage or that they could use it to help subdue the near by city, it wasn't the regional population centre, there was no suggestion they knew there was a person of note in the area and they had no reason or need to come up with a reason to opress them considering they had complete authority and no intention of playing nice for information. It was just poor writing.

[@Milton2k]

36:02 The force is strong with this one... ups I mean the "plot armor".

[@djJaXx101]

Imagine there is an aircraft carrier coming to attack your home, near the coast, so you take off to gather an army of 12 people to help you defend against an aircraft carrier... I think that's probably about the same level of ridiculousness.

[@Bayard1503]

Basically the Houthis with their speed boats in the Red Sea...

[@MrEsphoenix]

Even that's less ridiculous, as an aircraft carrier can't wipe out a planet and at least can be physically reached by those 12 people.

[@MrEsphoenix]

Even that's less ridiculous, as an aircraft carrier can't wipe out a planet and at least can be physically reached by those 12 people.

[@seanbrazell7095]

This movie should have been a game that used the movie footage as what it really was - cut scenes. Everything missing IS gameplay if you think about it.

[@darktower74]

The pacing was the most alarming quality I noticed. It's like they squished the story and accelerated everything. I believe that's a mistake the story won't be able to pull away from. The disparate team of super sci fi heroes just start working together without any dialogue between them... blech. It's a shiny turd.

[@craigwilliamson8167]

I was so pissed they made Charlie Hunnam bad and then killed him off. That ruined it for me.

[@Spid3y_69]

The accent really took me out the immersion

[@drawnhere]

I don't think he's dead. They specifically said it was a paralyzing agent.

[@Spid3y_69]

@@drawnhere he’s in the trailer for the 2nd one I think

[@Highostrich]

He was also the only person on the team, with a hint of personality

[@JBlazin215]

I fell asleep after the spider chick was defeated

[@djnorth2020]

There's a phrase here which explains this movie well. "Done while running and pissing". Things happen too fast and the good moments are pissed on. I don't want a Snyder cut from this, but maybe the part 2 saves whatever this will become.

[@drawnhere]

How about when the Samurai woman explains that revenge is bad, and then the main character appeals to the General by telling him he can get revenge.😅

[@midnight4669]

Pans labyrinth seemed the better inspiration for the commander beating the person to death. Judt throwing that out there.

[@projectrain2254]

I could never watch that scene in PL ever again. Traumatized me growing up, lol

[@vavan100]

How any of those Evil Empires last ... if they kill all people who produce food ...

[@xVadim87]

Wait did anyone forget that Kai says that the farmer loves Kora out of nowhere 😂

[@YoBoyGio]

I’m surprised they didn’t recruit the robot and the only solider that was nice in the team or at least show they they were in comms to motherworld ships that everything okay and that why they stay back. There just forgotten after the first act and they could’ve been more of them

[@michaellane5381]

I just realized that what they call "the scarring" could mean that regent guy is just eternally in a bacta rig... Which is really dumb if they brought the other guy back from the dead after that fall.

[@TheTitandog70]

Predict that why they call her the Scargiver, she put her adopted father in the tank after the king and queen was slain

[@michaellane5381]

@@TheTitandog70 exactly... Which is dumb because as a non-royal why would they elevate him so close to death and nigh dysfunctional.

[@barthollomewhunt7320]

If you watch this movie as a comedy it makes perfect sense to why people rate it so high

[@ANTIStraussian]

Kora: hey king fish face why are your sky scrappers floating? King Lav: because this is a sci fi movie duh!

[@TalosCreative]

26:25 i was thinking similar in that it's like they took an art of book from a concept artists entire career of work from various projects, and just shot it page by page as a movie with no concern as to the story or connective world or continuity.

[@monimnadeem5971]

At 35:50 nominated the funniest “WHAT” of the year

[@JYang0602]

The Creature, World, and Atmosphere designs were done well to a certain point. I like the blaster designs and I still think the size of Kora’s Sidearm is just too gratuitous in size even with the big ass holster it’s in too but I still like how stylized it was in terms of design and decals. And I’ll admit, somewhere deep down I knew Charlie Hunnam’s character Kai would betray the group, but I thought it’ll be like a tricking both sides to side with the heroes but no. The man just decided to stay bad and I’ll admit, as much as that caught me off guard, I actually liked the twist of him actually being a total asshole and I maybe found a little relief in his death. But one thing I’m upset about is Ray Fisher. He got to work with Zack Snyder again but he’s in the film for like the last 10 minutes and he dies. Ray Fisher deserves better man. I also loved Anthony Hopkins as Jimmy and it actually took me a while to find out it was Hopkins voicing him.

[@videovagrancy8526]

The guns were almost exact rip offs of Bolter Pistols and Lascannons from 40k. EVERYTHING in this movie is blatantly ripped off from other things. Far better things.

[@Based_Stuhlinger]

The Charlie Hunnam character is just Benecio Del Toros from Last Jedi.

[@ronuss]

this movie has so much 40k in it im surprised GW didn't go nuts

[@eldritchmorgasm4018]

They might, when they find out

[@jakey14344]

Amazon and Henry would probably saw that and said "hold my dead heretic".

[@Based_Stuhlinger]

The soldiers are straight out of the imperial guard.

[@eldritchmorgasm4018]

@@Based_Stuhlinger My thoughts exactly. Also the weapons, kinda, spaceships, kinda (the heroes-ship, from the side it looks like something just copied from 40K, I think it's an Space Marine dropship, they just put a small ship-bridge on top), those Tech guys, the robots with flags, the names/titles, nuking a planet with Exterminatus (watch the Trailers, there you see more of that from space, probably for the 3 hour R-Rated cut), there's probably more. Trailer for Part 2 shows spiderleg-mechs charging the village, not WH40K, more like SW Clone Wars AT-TE I think. It's fucking ridiculous, but also kinda cool, because in live-action you don't see this stuff not that much.

[@Based_Stuhlinger]

@@eldritchmorgasm4018It's a starwars grimdark, that's the best way to describe this film. It has a bit of fantasy too I guess.

[@killuminati2911]

The most original thing of the movie is that Korra is not a lesbian. That must have been an endless discussion in Netflix's meeting room.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

Is Korra really Main Girl's name? Then she SHOULD have been a lesbian to make the homage more blatant.

[@DresdenShuffle]

Netflix is notorious for cancelling anything with lgbt characters in it so it makes sense as to why she’s straight

[@milestrombley1466]

The young soldier who tried to stop the men from raping the girl never shows up again although they didn't killed him.

[@SaintKimbo]

He gets married to the Robot in the sequel.

[@knoxminis1211]

Don't forget that Bellisarius Cawl is also the Adeptus Mechanicus leader that is creating all of the Imperium's technology in 40K. So he just straight up stole a literal name of a main character from 40K.

[@raywilson641]

Oh my goodness, it just hit me! This movie reminds me of The Witcher: Blood Origin!

[@shadowedknight66]

When they were escaping I was expecting someone to get blasted while still struggling in the restaints, but no they all got out one by one while enemies ignored them.

[@Lt_Dredge]

Just watched it, and with really low expectations I actually walked out pleasantly surprised. I think I'd give it a 5 or 6, the story was bleh but the visuals and world design generally made up for it, and the score was decent enough.

[@angrybird2107]

A winged beast continued to ram its wings into rocks yet it never lost a feather or broke a wing ? Whew!

[@MrEsphoenix]

Or the guys leg that was sandwiched between the rock and the beast with enough force to crumble the rock. I can't tell if people are supposed to be "enhanced" in this universe. Same with the guy stabbing a spear through the window of a spacefaring gunship.

[@angrybird2107]

It’s a hot mess, just like the zombies getting pregnant in the army of the dead

[@HindiRapGuru]

I thought at the end the Nazi villain guy would be operated upon, made into half cyborg, powerful, and turned into Darth Moon Vader screaming NOOOOOOO!!!...cut to black screen! Roll credits!...

[@stephanemajeur3050]

This sounds like even Battle Beyond The Stars did this story better

[@BaronVonHardcharger]

Absolutely.

[@Spawn3X5]

19hrs of content U can see Alex sink and reconsider his line of work

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

Bloodless and brainless is the best description of this movie

[@Guardian_Arias]

You guys made me want to watch it because it was coming off as a hilariously bad experience, well the movie is no longer on the top header, its not in my recommended movies and when i typed in "rebel;" Gladiator was the top listing so I watched that instead.

[@Storm762x39]

The soldiers with the thick accents are South African. Same as with District 9 and the one guy in Elysium

[@12LoLproductions]

SA accents are cool, Sharlto Copley did great in those movies

[@Storm762x39]

@@12LoLproductions thank you, but I don't nearly have such a bad English accent lol!

[@RetroGamerVX]

I've tried to watch it, it's like AI tried to write 'Battle beyond the stars', it's god awful, and his obsession with slow mo is embarrassing, even using it to highlight crappy moves in lacklustre fights, of which there are far too many. There is so much exposition, I think it would take less time to read a novel! It just leaves me dry and doesn't give time for characters to develop before moving on to the next bit.

[@adamjones4839]

I was enjoying it up until the barn scene, that’s when I first started to get worried. It felt like the scene from Star Wars when all the guards are stood waiting for their turn. The robot was great! Far more interested in where his story will go. The crew left like hire people on mass effect and just never interacted with them and they are just sat around the ship waiting for the final level. And ow my what a final level it was :|

[@sledge2244]

Couldn’t get through RM and was initially excited to see it. Agree with y’all’s points but for me it was the lead, she was boring in every way.

[@daquidi]

i think kai intentionally let gunnar free kora. that's why he made him kill her so that he could free her. kai set up this trap to lure in the bad guy. pity, gunnar didn t understand and he killed him. :)

[@MrEsphoenix]

Would be believable if they gave the slightest hint that was the case.

[@justthej]

I don't think you know what a Cinematographer is. Zack isn't one. He tried on his last two streaming movies and they were 💩

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

"After all that marketing." WHAT marketing?

[@GNCD2099]

I just watched 13 Assassins because Alex kept mentioning it. So damn good. Thanks for inadvertently recommending it Alex.

[@Meyna86]

I really wish Joe and the guys would go through some of the Apple TV+ shows. I despise Apple as a company but their streaming exclusives are solid. "See" with Momoa (dumb but fun), Foundation (probably my favorite), Silo and now Monarch - all worth the time.

[@mrfreeman2911]

true.

[@oberonvortigern4138]

Monarch is so mid. The only interesting story arc is the one set in the 50s. The present story arc have some of the most whiny and annoying characters I’ve seen in the American Godzilla series

[@corygraph]

I think most people ignore it but apple has been dropping hits. Esp in the drama and sci-fi departments. For all mankind is quite good, as is See, and I think foundation is ok. I haven’t watched monarch yet. It’s all pretty good tv. Definitely better than what Disney or Netflix has been offering lately.

[@MentorRick]

Monarch is 99% filler crap. It is stuck in a repetitive cycle throughout each episode of Filler, Flashback Filler and then a little 10 second clip of a Monster to get you intrigued to get you back next episode to do the same thing.

[@Cbricklyne]

@@corygraph 'Hijack' with Idris Elba was also a pretty good watch.

[@adamfrazer5150]

Can't see a Zack movie without immediately thinking of the South Park rip (making coffee slomo etc) 😌

[@grimm516]

It's really funny that the guns punch holes through people and armour but a simple wooden table is impenetrable Ceramite that y not just put wood tables of you ships and body's for protection

[@MrEsphoenix]

Yeah, they probably could do with it on their space ships considering some guy with a metal spear can take one out.

[@TheGodlessGamer]

You guys mentioned Gladiator twice but failed to mention General Titus is the same actor who played the other slave Maximus befriended in the movie Gladiator. And would the prince Tarak guy please put a shirt on?! Next they're gonna travel to an ice planet and everyone is gonna be bundled up and he'll still have no shirt on.

[@drawnhere]

Noooo, he needs to leave it off. Those abs are one of the few things in the movie worth watching. 🤷

[@fredgilbert2032]

Conan in space

[@MrInvinciblewarrior]

Can't wait for his "tonight we dine in hell" speech in part two

[@Sagesae]

Guy goes from a desert planet to the coldness of space and no one gives him a shirt. Either his compatriots hate him or they love his abs more than him... or both.

[@MrEsphoenix]

It bugs me when characters in movies with fighting don't wear appropriate armour or helmets. He's just taking it to the extreme.

[@MrEsphoenix]

Watched it a couple of hours ago. I'm normally pretty easy going with sci fi as I find the worldbuilding as interesting as the actual plot but it was just all over the place. I still don't understand the world or care for anyone in it. From memory there's a warhammer style empire, but we learned next to nothing about it. There's a viking farming village for some reason which has orgies in the hopes that it convinces the gods to make their plants grow, since they've decided the only modern technology they're going to use are automatic doors, and that's an overnight hike from a western style town with a space port and a load of aliens which where never explained or expanded on so fuck knows if they're part of the empire, have civilisations outside the empire or fought the empire, and of course there's an Irish guy. There was a cyber punk city where Asian people use swords for honor because we've not moved on from that cliche, and spider women who apparently used to own the planet and so kidnap children, no need to expand on that. A roman colleseum, don't know what the fuck that was about, but i expected to see Russell Crowe wandering around in the background and then at some point conan the barbarian went to an American ranch at hogwarts to train a hippogriff using a slow motion spell or something, I think I zoned out at that part. Then the technology was all over the place too. The blasters couldn't shoot through a wooden table. A space gunship apparently used plate glass windows to protect its gunners who for some reason also controll the whole ship. There's old earth cultures died around with no synergy using a bizarre smattering of technology, but not for important tasks. A lone smuggler can apparently get a private ship, but an entire village that supplies the food to the moon can't. There's a ranch training a hippogriff for some unknown reason who had a prisoner price working as a blacksmith. Like what the fuck is going on. I'm all for a blending of technology and frontier type lifestyle, the empire stuff had some potential, a viking theme sci fi could be a cool concept, a cyberpunk or neo sci fi is always cool, and the story of these combat robots who where imperial guards but turned to pacifism when the emperor and his daughter where assassinated was a fascinating concept, but pick a bloody lane. It was like a bunch of short stories but none of them had any conclusion or cohesion.

[@CoyotePark]

Exactly. It was as if written by a 15 year old. Oh a dark, wet, sci-fi city? It must have a cool asian chick with katana swords yea! A coliseum? Oh that's Rome and have a muscular guy with no shirt be in there! And and.. a tarzan guy with no shirt.. ever.. even when he's on a storm sea planet with no sunlight, he must be always with no shirt on, and oiled up! 😂😂

[@94tegLSatMSC]

Joe looking like 50 cent from the ryder pt.2 music video 😌

[@macaron3141592653]

The thing that pissed me off the most was that as they recruited people, the entire cast would just stand and watch and the film would pan over their faces to show almost non reaction. It was so lame and lazy. Ass. Also the fights were cut and edited poorly and it got worse at the end.

[@narradtnarg3540]

Didn't Kora tell the rebels it was because of them that the dreadnought came to the farm in the first place? When it wasn't. I guess she could be generalising but it seemed linked to the farmer trading with them. Even though they had no knowledge of that trade.

[@nichoudha]

they may have assumed the Rebels stole the food.

[@paulfreeborn1493]

19:35: I got Avatar vibes off the Griffin scene.

[@lshaffer1980]

The blonde chick is going to be the princess right? how come she delayed in saving her. She hesitated to save her when she was screaming. that doesn't make sense

[@JB-sc1tg]

Makes sense. I was wondering while the camera kept holding onto her facial expressions.

[@Mshagy02]

ok joe I'm enjoying the discussion but there's one thing you kinda misunderstood. Kora asked the bloodaxes to help them fight. the leader Ray Fisher's character's sister was rude and brushed them off. Kora got annoyed because she said the only reason they're in this mess is because the bloodaxes did an illegal business deal with gunna which put's them on Noble's radar. this explains why noble went to the farm in the first place. not JUST because they needed farmers to provide food but to punish them for helping the bloodaxes. Gunna then explains how the rebellion they are trying to start is just like how the bloodaxes started off in their early days. this resunates with Darrian bloodaxe and he choose to go fight with them to live by his ideals that he preaches and because he sympathizes with them cuz they reminded him of how he started out and he also felt bad for putting them in the situation in the first place

[@AngryJoeShow]

great point! thank you my man!

[@Mshagy02]

@@AngryJoeShow thank you for being open to the world. Can’t wait for you to see part 2. And the R rated version

[@rayawira]

​@@Bluis5445hey you don't have to insult anyone personally. This kind of behavior is what gives the snyderfans its bad reputation.

[@Hiccuple]

You explained it better than the movie did.

[@Mshagy02]

@@Hiccuple thanks but it was really not hard to understand at all. Plus if the movie explained it the way i did people would’ve cried exposition

[@joshuad30]

This "movie" Doesnt deserve a spoilers section. There is literally nothing to spoil.

[@JB-sc1tg]

In a sci-fi universe with lightsabers and laser weapons, the main villain's weapon of choice was a shillelagh 🫤

[@renegadeleader1]

Meh, for that personal touch, gotta go with the classics! 😆

[@puspavelai8353]

This is like a picture frame with half a picture dangling within 🤨All the characters are performing super heroic actions, but, 'not to care about nothing' is getting to AJ! Most probably the *rebel* part of the title explained in visual form😅

[@MTMuppet]

Charlie Hunnam was absolutely wasted as Kai. He was the only character with some personality, and they kill him off after a lacklustre twist.

[@JB-sc1tg]

Kai told Kora how he wasn't honorable, but he had been nothing but honorable the whole movie. That's how I knew he was about to do a heel turn.

[@markdotinc8371]

Could have been a fun character, but I already had enough of his awful Irish accent 30 minutes before he died

[@anthonyplanzo1082]

I needed more of that robot. So much more. He stole the entire movie for me.

[@mrrobluxo2369]

Should’ve been a TV show honestly

[@Bayard1503]

Everyone would have dropped it after the first episode... at least this way they could tally the views. And they're still incredibly low.