Rebirth and Death of the PTR 51P PDW

[@kyinvestor]

Life has taught me that whether in the bedroom or on the firing range, most crazy fantasys are best left unexplored. You are a great writer. Keep it up.

[@icarusflight2396]

I Disagree! 😁 The old saying lube isn't needed, isn't just for glocks! The forward assist on a AR really is there just to ram it in until it fits. Loading 357 into a 38 is really fun until it blows apart, both exciting and story worthy.... although at the end you'll need a replacement and maybe surgery. If you get away with loading hot 5.56 through a trailer park cheap. 223 barrel and eventually get rid of that AR to a friend you'll always look at that AR and smile knowing the dirty things you did to it before dumping it and not looking back.

[@shockwave6213]

@@icarusflight2396 Are..... are you still talking about the gun during your last sentence there?

[@kritizismmusics9737]

lol speaking of fantasies, i love g3 style rifles i have so many mp5s and g3s and i showed my father some and he's like theyre in so many calibers and all look the same what the hell son kmfsl XD

[@plissken94th57]

@@kritizismmusics9737hahahaha kinda like ARs?

[@omaryunus7445]

It hurt itself in confusion!

[@Tofu61]

That face of disappointment when the stock just Alt+F4's itself from the rest of the weapon is priceless

[@theazuzhaters9988]

**Brace

[@Tofu61]

@@theazuzhaters9988 I can't tell you how little I care

[@RAMlFlCATlONS]

I like how it can put the hurt on people in every single direction

[@icarusflight2396]

If this gun had a flaw that every 450 to 500 round it would slap your hand with a metal rod.....Hop would still shoot it. 😂

[@DavidK2007]

really enjoying your content, Hop, on both channels. Keep it up

[@swiftaudi]

Whats the other channel? Tfb?

[@DavidK2007]

@@swiftaudi yeah

[@NxGxTomaatti]

@@DavidK2007 He also has a gaming channel, The Examined Life (of Gaming)

[@CeltKnight]

Years ago (so many years ago) we were doing SWAT training, working on dynamic entries with shoot/no-shoot targets, and all that fun stuff. Most of us had personally owned weapons (ARs) with a couple issued Colt M4s a 635 and a 639. One of our guys had a CETME (basically an H&K 91 that he could actually afford ... back then ... on a cop's salary). Things were going well until it came time to do a practice entry with him and that beast! We hit the doorway, split off from the stack, "pow", "bang", [Earth Shattering BOOOOOOOOM!!! BOOOOOOOOM!]. It was like, who needs flash-bangs when we had THAT damn thing? I can't imagine how much worse it would have been with the tiny, short barrel of the 51P. Wait ... I don't have to imagine. I'll freeze frame a couple shots from that video. YIKES! In an enclosed space we'd likely all be blind, deaf, and never need haircuts again. LOL!! Damn, now I wanna shoot it.

[@Stazzma]

Honestly shocked to have heard someone mention Firearms for Half-Life. Even more shocked to hear that it "wasn't even that good." Fun video.

[@jlucguerrier]

This presenter doesn't get enough credit. Really great job. You need to do more reviews for the channel. Awesome, succinct and informative.

[@sargewilliepete2174]

Most underrated Gun Channel on KZbin

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Dear business Look after your customers. Especially those with media platforms.

[@judofry]

😌 after a rough shift, listening to Hop’s dulcet tone is a great way to de stress

[@theshocker4626]

Dulcet tone....nice

[@FelixDKatz-tb7or]

Well that just saved me $1250. I had a hold put on one at my local dealer. I hope they still like me tomorrow when I cancel. I doubt it will last 2 more days. They really look good though.

[@mr.c.3760]

good and don't buy any short barreled sub-10inch barreled 308's of any kind, just pointless range toys

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@mr.c.3760 once you have one ar and maybe a bolt action, isnt EVERY gun you buy a range toy? that should never be a reason not to buy something. "why did you buy that dodge charger, the toyota sienna minivan gets batter gas mileage and holds more" That is what you sound like right now lmfao

[@BigJT2010]

@@marcusborderlands6177 If I want to be 100.9% honest with myself, most guns I buy are a waste of money. But criticize one of my purchases and I can come up with the most niche and unrealistic scenarios to justify it. Hell I justified my last buy because it was built in my wifes hometown.

[@jmerriman1837]

So glad I found your channel. You just saved me a lot of heartache and money.

[@themidnightanimal1555]

I have one of these little fellers. I actually love it. Minus the whole flash banging of yourself and everyone else around you every time you fire it. Mine however has been nothing but reliable. Currently, it has a PA Hyper Tap brake on it.. I did however drop an HK21E buffer into it to replace the anemic buffer system it had in it previously. Additionally I have an SBA4 pistol brace on it. I had to dremel out some of the sheet metal out of where the extension is, but that shouldn't effect the integrity of it.I guess I will have to keep an eye out on it for sure. I also pout a surefire LMF on it too. Because aesthetics.

[@surfingtothestars]

"break period" as in literally LOL

[@claytonjones5083]

Hop, thank you for the update on this product. I wanted one before I saw this. I love my hk91, but the build quality of the PTR shows me I’ll have to spend more on another option to get the quality I want.

[@TonyFleetwood]

i love my ptr91! had a friend who used to work there, and i also know one of their engineers. neither of them thought anyone would want a pistol version... guess they were wrong!

[@Elong_Musket]

Love your videos on TFB bro, they helped me out with my first handgun purchase(taurus G3) , glad you have your own youtube channel.

[@trashcompactorYT]

5:52 I'm positive you already know this but you can adjust the angle locking piece on roller delay guns (specifically HKs) to slow down the cyclic rate and potentially slow this particular wear. Might also lighten up the recoil a bit since the rollers won't be careening into the receiver at the speed of light.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I covered this in the follow up video, but this 51P had the wrong locking piece in it. A 70 degree piece, instead of a #7.

[@b.Fast_da_Reload]

This is quickly becoming my new favorite channel

[@eugenechurch6135]

This channel is so dope. I have just been binging it.

[@AdamBorseti]

The first sentence sent a wave of nostalgia down my spine. I still remember the little trumpet melody that played whenever you captured a point.....wow, I used to love that mod.

[@JohnDoe-pk8lc]

hmm pretty crazy to see the roller dent, didn't even know it could happen. You replied to me in another video that ptr products generally are not crap, but boi did you get a lemon this time

[@TheYemcl]

Hot damn, these reviews are excellent! Good luck with PTR customer service!

[@libertyhog1428]

I enjoy your dry humor that's layered over a "tell it how it is" narration.

[@1awrenceofarabia]

So did PTR ship this with undersized rollers causing the bolt velocity issue? I'd wager the bolt velocity is the cause of the fun extraction issues too. I figured this kinda thing was Century fare not PTR. Apparently not.

[@christopherreed4723]

Undersized rollers aren't the problem. It's shortening the action that causes the increased bolt velocity. The H&K action is held shut during firing by a combination of mass, the force of the spring clip on the bolt carrier forcing the bolt forward, and the vector changes the recoil energy has to undergo to retract the rollers (losing energy at each change). Alter one of those elements and the behavior of the whole action changes. I haven't handled an HK51 copy, but if the bolt carrier is shorter than a full length HK91's, then the mass of the bolt assembly is going to be less. Which means the bolt assembly will be accelerated harder by the recoil forces, resulting in higher bolt velocity. The key here is, well, the key inside the bolt, which has angled surfaces that the rollers act on to force the bolt carrier back and permit the chamber to open. Greater angle on the bolt key faces = less efficient transfer of recoil energy = slower bolt velocity (and - maybe - happy Hop?). Ultimately, we're probably seeing the reasons here why the HK51 was never a widely produced or popular weapon IRL.

[@hellcatdave1]

@@christopherreed4723 Yup, good write up! If you want a compact G3, get the G3K. There's no alternative. Sadly modern day PTR is pretty ass by comparison to the old JLD built guns, which also had their fair share of flaws.

[@libertyhog1428]

I imagine they could remedy the high bolt velocity by changing the angle of the locking wedge that acts against the rollers. That is what delays the action from opening through mechanical disadvantage. H&K made different angle locking pieces for different chamberings, different barrel lengths, and suppressed. I wouldn't be suprised if PTR just used a standard N.O.S. locking piece from a regular 308 because it's cheap (but quality) surplus.

[@meangreen320]

Ptr is known to make excellent clones that are as good and this is so freaking sad to hear. I’ve had nothing but good experience with their customer service but it was for replacement parts because I always like to have those around my shop when the round count gets high enough and I can just start the replacement process myself. I hope they do right by you

[@pcfriedrich]

He insists on modifying it. Its not an AR.

[@009013M3]

If your delay wedge and recoil spring are both in spec, the bolt carrier should never even touch the buffer. The buffer is just there as an emergency out-of-spec impact safety to keep the gun from beating itself to death after 100 or so rounds. What alarms me about this is that shorter barrels create less backpressure and should lead to *less* rearward force than a full length 16" barrel. To me that says it's using *way* too steep of a delay wedge (shorter barrels usually need slightly steeper than longer barrels, as in higher degree number, but maybe this one is too steep) and probably too weak of a mainspring. If this was a new gun built using new parts, that's troubling. But the good news is that an HK51 delay wedge and a fresh HK91 recoil spring would probably fix this thing ight up, assuming that you've been keeping the roller recesses in the trunnion clean and the thing can go fully into battery. IT IS POSSIBLE that the gun you bought, being that it is a pistol, was not intended to be shouldered. Roller delay guns need a different recoil impulse at the bolt face to work correctly when they're tightly shouldered versus when they are not. It's possible that this was never meant to be shouldered, because the recoil force needed to operate it without a shoulder behind it is significantly higher than with a shoulder behind it keeping the gun stationary. I have observed that when I let small people or people who are afraid of .308s shoot my finely tuned match guns and don't hold them firmly, they get frequent FTEs, and when I tune a gun for one of these people, they complain about harsh recoil and accuracy suffers. It's not a locked breech gun, it's a roller delayed gun, and how you hold it affects how it works much more than it would on a locked breech gun with a gas driven action. Now I've read that the one to use on this is the #18, or 50 degree wedge (or alternatively #22A for a 45 degree wedge, which may be a better, softer-shooting option, but could potentially require you to shoulder the gun more aggressively for reliable cycling), but I can't say for certain because I only build full length rifles and while I want a shorty, it hasn't been a priority yet.

[@009013M3]

Additionally, roller bulge in the front happens because of failed alignment of the receiver to the trunnion. Roller bulge in the rear happens because the bolt isn't supposed to strike the buffer, and when it does, the inertia of the bolt head rapidly decelerating causes the rollers to deploy. You are correct in your assessment of excessive bolt velocity being the cause. Headspace can contribute to this but I suspect it has something to do with the gun being a pistol and having the wrong delay wedge.

[@cryptomnesiac]

Where's your application for range buddies?

[@fredboat]

Which location of PTR was yours made, I bought my first Bristol Ct. made 51P in 2007 ,It ran fine, Bought another 51p and SBRed it in 2015, It is also a Bristol firearm. It runs fine and I have around 500 rds threw it so far. No roller bulge as of yet. Mine don't have the rail on top, older Gen. Thanks , Later from Texas.

[@beefbigshot8789]

My PTR is a full length and works great. Love the thing. The shorter PTRs and G3 in general look cool but I don't think the design is really built to work at that length. It CAN be shrunk down and still work, but stamped sheet metal can only take so much abuse. Being shorter, there are less rollers in the system iirc which means the bolt will be slamming back alot harder into the back of the receiver. Think of the G3 like this, it's basically a direct blow back battle rifle with some fancy mechanics to make it slightly less direct blowback, and the one you have has less of those fancy mechanics in it. Your round count is very low but honestly I wouldn't expect those things to last more than 1 or 2 thousand rounds overall

[@samuelarney9224]

Do you think it would help if you made it an SBR and put a G3 stock on it?

[@FALL3NVengence]

Your commentary is my fav part of your videos.

[@earlemoore3639]

At seventy-five I really enjoy your sense of humor keep up the good work I really enjoy your videos

[@JarvisTastic]

I know this is a year old, but the roller dents sounds like a locking piece/roller adjustment to get it into better bolt speed ranges. My PTR built C93 had 47 different parts that were all out of spec resulting in, to quote you, "epic double feeds", but getting the proper locking piece and headpsacing based off the shitty trunnion/barrel job did wonders for the recoil

[@rohesilmnelohe]

fun... it seems to be a chopped version of a G3 which i absolutely adored had no malfunctions with live rounds... only with blanks due to bad compensators.

[@Mistrilll]

As with most everything cloned before the initial test, send in for a service breakdown & reassembly, maybe even with upgraded internal membrane.

[@jackusmc2542]

I had an HK-91 for years. I hardly shot it because it was such a beast. I can't imagine firing a smaller version. I like my FAL much better. Also, what is wrong with Crayon Eaters?

[@Hoplopfheil]

They can be a little indelicate.

[@tomh.648]

Damn, Hop...you have some interesting - if not obscure - firearms.

[@rickdeckard1075]

to resurrect an ancient meme: "but does it (roller-)djent"

[@stevestevenstevensen270]

I've spent enough money on meme guns to pay off my loans twice. But i'll still probably buy that 10.5" 50 Beowulf on sale because LULZ.

[@UnrelatedNonsense]

More useful as a flash bang than an actual firearm lol

[@scottydouglass1892]

I am getting a folding arm brace mounted on my draco it is at Pantel tactical. I should be getting like Monday. You want to go try it next weekend? That thing has had two or three thousand rounds through it and runs like a champ. I will even drive.

[@DJCAntisocial]

Damm i do love the G3 & varients, such a beautiful gun

[@HighSpeedNoDrag]

Beautiful? It's a tool to kill people and other.

[@calebsyswerda]

It was tragicomical watching your dream gun batter itself to death in near-real-time, as physics repeatedly reared it’s smug head to say “Nyet, rifle is not fine.”

[@mr.c.3760]

Really hope you keep us updated on this. I can't believe how crappy this particular PTR model is

[@ryanbarr2977]

It's one gun.

[@DustyGamma]

Oh, someone else who played the Firearms mod? Neat!

[@ImageLimestone]

I used to love playing around with all the cool guns in that mod. Our internet was incredibly slow so I would just run around empty maps in LAN mode shooting at nothing

[@NCrdwlf]

I first shot the G3 when I was in the US army in ‘87 . Regular plastic stock ( good) and the telescoping meat tenderizer that I found real effing un pleasant . I have a PTR 32 that I have a wood set for and I love it . It’s been a flawless gun that I broke in as they requested , as tedious as it was . That little 91 would really benefit from an actual g3 surplus stock , with maybe even a heavy buffer. I don’t really believe in forking out money for a tax stamp, but this would be one gun i might . It’s a shame you are getting roller dent, I’m not sure if that could have been solved by running a surplus stock from the beginning . Maybe one of the Greek EBO tungsten filled carriers would help you too. . That broken hammer is cringe as well. I love my PTR and am happy with the x39 chambering . I kind of want the 12” model next, but just on ergos alone I think I’ll go with a g3 surplus stock and send in the sbr paperwork.

[@FMDad-dm5qo]

Homie’s expression at 2:00 is magical

[@jeffcornelison888]

Well it's 2 years later so here's the million dollar question... Were you able to get it fixed?

[@lolwatlolwatlol]

this video basically destroyed my dream gun right before i bought it. let your dreams be dreams

[@gmann1030]

The 51 has so much recoil they really need the T Rail supports welded in for receiver reinforcement to control the roller dent.

[@HighSpeedNoDrag]

The recoil is not that bad.

[@mountainview540]

Good luck. Love the videos. More please!

[@stormshot119]

Hmm. There was another KZbinr who reviewed the PTR MP5 clone. He also faced the roller dent problem, but that was most likely caused by his suppressor. He also had a hard time with customer support.

[@christopherreed4723]

I looked into the matter when I got my full-length PTR-91. My takeaway was that to attach a suppressor to the '91 and keep everything in that very narrow happy zone dictated by the combination of brute force and split-second teutonic timing that is an operating HK/PTR-91 a new locking piece is essential. That probably applies to unsuppressed HK51 clones with aggressive compensators on them as well. Now, the question is, would a mild dual-purpose device like the Griffin Hammer Comp require the new locking piece all the time, or just when the can is attached?

[@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083]

Jeremiah Jig Was it their version of the MP5k? I know those require a different locking piece if suppressed. The standard MP5 is supposed to be fine with a suppressor.

[@gunner9037]

this is clearly a very well made firearm

[@alv4475]

PTR has given you much content if nothing else.

[@cbwelch4]

I have a PTR-91 F. It had a problem with cycling when I went hunting with it. I didn’t know I could drop a mag, cycle the action and charge the gun as fast as I could. Still got the hog. Anyway they were super responsive and I had the gun back with a new bolt head and cocking handle in 10 days. That’s pretty good. That bolt carrier is massive. If I were to get the shorty, I’d want the PTR-32. I think 7.62x39 is far better suited for an SBR. The amount of gas I’ve seen from those monsters is less than ideal. You’re in a grey area support wise. You did take the gun way out of spec. No that this exonerates PTR completely from the deformation in the receiver, but you admittedly made some mistakes clearing charges and taking it down. To be honest, I’d just avoid that build. It works very well as a large klunky DMR. It is big robust and badass with Hk designed parts. You put undue load on non spec delicate AR buffer parts and got a ripple effect. The big question is how it would have fared if you left it completely stock. Also how did German SF/Police rig it? Good luck. If they are cool like Ruger, you will get one back fixed. Update us.

[@gh-gv8mx]

Sorry to hear! My ptr k3p has been flawless so far about 300 steel case and 100 brass!

[@CrazyIvan2X]

hey hop look at getting one of those lightweight bolts and a bunch of the German blue plastic training rounds. they have like no recoil.

[@chrisowen7209]

Nice video Hop, do you think you could do a video on some beginner rifle drills?

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

In the end, the cost to fox the Ptr and make it reliable by putting in hk parts, you should have just bought the hk from the start?

[@BassFace1776]

Firearms was such an awesome game!

[@MrErikchaugen]

PTR uses to soft steel in their recivers,but you should get a original stamping from HK and get it bent and welded yourself!You would have to get someone qualifyed to put it together for you,but it's worth it in the end!!

[@gusbuzinski4499]

Yep! Your problem is steel cased ammo. I have two ptr 91s. I have shot steel cased ammo out of the one with an fmp barrel, and beat the buffer and stock right off the end.

[@Patriot66699]

Has PTR addressed these reliability issue with this model? IN 2024 have these been fixed?

[@ntvtexan5015]

Hmmm...sounds almost dangerous. Glad I bought the Vector Arms V51 back about 10-12 years ago. I want a collapsible stock as well to do a SBR on it, but haven't gotten to that point yet. Looks like I WILL have to get the other muzzle brake for it though.

[@mrfrosty3]

I have heard of a rifle referred to as a shorty HK that was used by a detachment of the British Army and RAF in Northern Ireland in the early 70s. It was carried in civilian vehicles and selected because of the short length and ability to punch through doors and windscreeens. Couid this be the gun? I've found that many soldiers aren't all that interested in the fine details of their kit so couid not get an official name for it. I've been wondering for a while what gun it could be and this seems like a contender, Is there a use for short barreled guns in battle rifle calibres or was their use just a compromise?

[@limpetarch98k]

I am pretty convinced they used the 53 (intermediate cartridges) instead of a full power MC51 or MC51K. Armalite, for the longest time, had a hard time at very short barrel lengths unlike the 53. Naturally, the 53 would have been their choice.

[@jonnyf9523]

Try a steeper angled locking block to delay the bolt opening may help with the receiver denting.

[@sienega4625]

Great review, thank for the info. I almost bought one.

[@Darkmattersfrank]

Holy shit! I lol’d when the stock fell off.

[@Ru1nerZ]

I wonder if it got the wrong angle locking piece accidentally installed at the factory. Not sure what the correct one would be, since like you said this bastardized configuration isn't exactly hk spec. I'm wishing you luck as I would like to get one myself, although I want the k3p pdwr because I'm not a total masochist.

[@Hoplopfheil]

It's got the 70 degree locking piece, which I think is correct for this configuration.

[@Ru1nerZ]

That doesn't seem right for a 308. Obviously ptr should figure this out for you, but if you have to do it yourself i'd try the g3k piece to slow it down some. Could be like the mp5k where when they made the pdw stocked version they changed the locking piece to delay the action a bit more.

[@Hoplopfheil]

@@Ru1nerZ I should say, I think it's "correct" as in "shipped from PTR." I'm doing some digging.

[@headspace3477]

What locking Piece is PTR using? I have a home built Cetme 51 with the stock 50 degree cetme locking Piece that shoots pretty softly. Runs Tulammo great too. Videos on my channel.

[@enkrypt3d]

Did PTR sort you out with the roller dents? That is a bit concerning......

[@ralphiet179]

What’s up with the dude with no eye protection?????

[@daddystiel4324]

Buy a 36 degree locking shoulder. I put one in my hk91 full size and it changed the gun for the better. Reduced recoil and my brass is has no dents in it. It really slows the bolt down.

[@iratecrab]

Just saw this video and had a good laugh. I guess I was lucky in some respects. I had gotten mine years back from Atlantic for under 950, but like you, put a buttload more into it. I DID have good luck with a heavy buffer from HK parts and got the trigger work done from some guy (Can't remember his name) who specialized in HKs. I started to form 1 with a clubfoot stock after testing it on a full size. During testing of optics and other parts, it became almost comical to get routinely thrown off of gun ranges because mine was "too loud" or scared other shooters away with the concussion.....Also there was an incident with prone shooting/range fire. I had a decent muzzle break and all in all found it to be soft shooting and very controllable....but at the cost of being heard from three counties over. Anyway, I feel your pain....I hope it turned out okay for you.....I eventually sold mine too......I wanted to love it...but it became more of a liability.

[@ExplorerOfLife318]

My pdw has been great! I did damage a part (my own fault) and PTR was great and sent the parts for free. I only own one, but it’s been a great experience. I have a few videos of it on my page. More to come.

[@adamm770]

Hop, did you ever get this thing fixed?

[@donjohnson5172]

I love the look of utter disgust that your buddy has at 2:06 when the stock snapped lol

[@af22raptor23503]

It sounds like PTR might have put the WRONG Recoil Spring Weight for a 308 and put the one for the 7.62x39 for the amount of damage that your receiver is getting or your Rollers are TOTALLY OUT of SPEC! Either way you have are 100% Correct o having a Stick of Dynamite with a lit fuse you need to send that weapon back to PTR for a Warranty Repairs or REPLACEMENT!

[@CoinDoctor1]

So I should go out and buy a PTR 51P PDW immediately?

[@TexasToast712]

Just bought one. :)

[@SuperIcarusman]

I've had one of these for 8+ years, with a flemming DIAS trigger pack; 4000+ round count with full auto mag dumps, and have had only one problem(buffer spring retaining pin came out once.) Sounds like pretty s*** luck to me.

[@L4zyN1nj4]

as a crayon eater i've mortared my fair share of unlubed, shot to shit, flaming hot, dirty as shit, m16s too many times still didn't mortar it hard enough

[@dwon031]

Sounds like usual issues around tuning. Recoil spring tension is too low, causing excessive cycling speeds and extraction issues, as well as roller wear and back plate deformation.

[@notaddmk18fsp_37]

You could always move up to the 12 inch barrel G3.

[@bofeity]

‘Firearms’ I forgot about that game. Was more of a TFC/CS guy.

[@anthonypost8214]

I recently got a PTR 91. It started out working fine for the first 100 rounds or so. Now it has problems with ejecting and spent cases get stuck as the bolt tries to feed another. Heard it was part of the break in but I have my doubts. Hoping 1100 wasn't wasted.

[@flavortown9426]

Having owned one myself once you hit that 300 round mark the rifle functions perfectly. Had the same issue the first two times to took it out but now it is fine.

[@hellcatdave1]

I believe roller dent can be repaired, it seems like it was actually caused by the malfunction it suffered where the bolt got jammed to the rear. If I were you, I would see if Arizona Response or Parebellum Combat Systems would be willing to replace the entire barrel assembly, to make this either a K or a full size G3. That's not necessarily an inexpensive choice, but in my experience the full size is way more practical and fun to play with, and the K is just another step up minus the velocity penalty. I'm not sure the reliability of US made parts but I imagine it would be close or maybe even inferior to the surplus parts you can get from German G3's. But by now the price point is probably stupid similar since surplus is drying up.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I sent the gun back to PTR for inspection and repair. Pretty sure it has the wrong locking piece in it.

[@hellcatdave1]

@@Hoplopfheil hope they solve it. But regardless this gun is just not ideal, it's conflicting by design, and I'm sure you already know that since you seem well informed.

[@leerx7015]

What about the PTR K3P PDW?

[@dodgersfnshepard8673]

Question - how did you get your muzzle break off. Some are not supposed to come off but I don't own that model. I've had 3 gunsmith & hours of oil soaks to no avail. Any advice?

[@stevemc6010]

Isn't .308 out of that short barrel basically functioning ballistically as 7.62x39? Guess the PTR-32P might have been the way to go.

[@Hoplopfheil]

When/if I get my 51P back from getting worked on, I'll chronograph some loads and see what kind of numbers it does.

[@AdNoctemMedia]

Wow, I really wanted one of these for a long time but that sounds like a nightmare.

[@juancolon123]

Man crazy how one’s customers service changing from one person to another 🤔 I had a decent time explaining my situation but luckily my issue was with the bolt handle catch falling off 🤣 man I was pissed but at least the PTR91 was still functional. I told PTR customer service about it and they took care of that plus they replaced the extractor (I did not even know there was an issue). I will say that your issues are pretty crazy but regardless they should take care of you.

[@magnusskipton7067]

Welp, ya broke it in that’s for sure lol

[@psp1921tsmg]

I’d try a different locking piece. The carrier is cut down. Bolt speed is to high. Ps. Ptr apparently doesn’t engineer stuff. They cut cut and weld. Send it to ptr. It’s fucked up

[@Nox1234567891011]

what the dif between a HK 51 and this ?

[@mikethurman3147]

Is there a follow-up?

[@limpetarch98k]

Firearms's half life mod ... a man of culture. Also, I can bet since HK slowly began to return in the USA market, the 51 will be their next addition.

[@MrSGL21]

yup played that mod too. the volmer conversion of the 51 was my favorite. 50 rounds of 7.62 nato!

[@pjansen2010]

FYI your recoil spring is meant not for a HK 51, did you ever check if its the correct one?

[@youvandal411vm]

My Buddy has a KFR from PTR and rhe bolt exploded after like 1000 rounds.

[@eclectic3618]

Dang that blows My PTR/Century collab Cetme c308 Sporter has about 2500 rounds through it in about 3 years. Had a bad magazine with a sticky follower but that's the only malfunction I've had. Seems these are either great or garbage with no in between.

[@JohnnyBGoode215]

I love my C308'S. I have 2. Never had a single problem with them. Got an HK91 that's great, too. My PTR9CT has around 1500 rounds through it with no issues, other than one feeding problem with a 40 round polymer mag that was due to cheap spring.