Putting an Asterisk on Modern NBA GOATs!

[@ReboundRewind]

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:40 Kevin Durant 2:00 Kawhi Leonard 3:52 Luka Dončić 5:29 Jayson Tatum 6:56 Giannis Antetokounmpo 8:46 Nikola Jokić 10:01 Joel Embiid 10:42 Outro

[@Bluebirdfalling]

The greatest regular team to ever exist. Record-wise. The Bulls won the year they had the record previously.

[@Bluebirdfalling]

That doesn't mean that he's not a bad player

[@lamchunting856]

The major problem with Giannis lack of any shooting is those things are least affected by aging which means his window to be good is even shorter if he doesn’t get better at shooting right now.

[@SnuggieMaple]

Ye but tbh even without great shooting he will always have good size and decent (yet declining athleticism) and overall great skills for a Big man

[@_M....]

not just shooting, bad dribbling and severely limited bag of moves. he's like a bigger version of Lebron without the passing.

[@wookey-2083]

@@IHateMaL thats really a terrible take Lebron is 38 and completly changed the focus of his game to be the player with THE BEST LONGEVITY of all time...how can you predict gianni would be close to that

[@peter2oo151]

All time leading scorer doesnt have a bag? lol@@_M....

[@_M....]

@@peter2oo151 no, he got the record from playing as the #1 option for 21 years and relying oin layups (which he's atop the all time missed attempts) and chucking 3's, going on insane miss streaks there too. the last all time leading scorer also didn't have a bag, was a center who couldn't even bring the ball up or do a crossover. idiot.

[@onety3578]

8:59 to be fair, the way Nikola blocks the ball sometimes gets counted as steals since his blocks are more like strips instead of typical blocks

[@Fixundfertig1]

even if you combine blocks and steals the stat continues to be mediocre for a GOAT standard

[@HunkyPizza]

@@Fixundfertig1 GOTE*

[@yusufyilmaz6623]

The second asterisk video without any argument against Ben Simmons 🐐

[@HeyItSam]

NAHH

[@ranchosdelnorte]

Of course. When the Nets didn't have him they got swept in the first round despite K.D playing. What more evidence do you need?

[@slightlypsychopathic2685]

What about Thanais are you not considering him

[@theophilusjones6024]

Giannis and Jokic are the GOATS of the last 5 years 💯

[@CountryMozart]

"Unicorns are not Binicorns, and thus unicorns are not goats". My brain broke

[@alexadams1360]

While the numbers don't lie on Luka, I believe this is mostly caused by his inability to play solid defense as opposed to 'empty' offensive stats. Sure, he'll grab a few steals here and there but moves slowly and leaves a lot of open space - making the mavs vulnerable to both drive+score as well as open looks from beyond the arc. This can change with time, but I think it's unfair to discredit the scoring, facilitating, and 'clutch' factor that Luka brings to the table. Furthermore, the fact that he is one of the most used players in the league (usg rating) also doesn't showcase a consecutive longevity without him, so I'd be curious to see these numbers if his usage was more 'normalized'. Interesting analysis though and speaks volumes about the importance of Embiid, Jokic, and Giannis.

[@ericswart3786]

Another huge knock on Embiid is the drop in scoring when he makes the playoffs. If I remember correctly, it's something like 10 points less a game, the largest drop in NBA history.

[@bolestas44]

And also Embiids reliability is a knock on him since he missed a lot of games during his career

[@Baddknewz]

Half his points come from foul-searching and the refs don’t play that shit in the playoffs

[@toshirohitsugaya857]

The Mavs are also 27-38 since Luka's arrival without him. They are 0-3 without him this season, they are 5-11 without him last year (And they were 2-8 without him before the Kyrie trade where he was 3-3 without Luka). They are 8-9 without him in 2022, they are 2-4 in 2021, they are 7-7 in 2020 and they are 5-5 in 2019. Numbers don't lie too. Without him, they don't win, it is especially true since last year where he became even better.

[@SokinRidis]

Jokic is the best so far. And he doesn't look to slow down.

[@justsomejusstsome8994]

Giannis is still my goat of this era.

[@danlin339]

What era?

[@SnuggieMaple]

@@justsomejusstsome8994 Ye I think Giannis has still been overall been and more playoff success but Jokic will probably pass him if Giannis doesn’t start shooting better

[@theophilusjones6024]

Giannis is right up there with him, but not mad at it

[@ZVJ1700]

He doesn’t look to speed up either

[@MaciejJacak]

„ Mr. Load management” LOL

[@d.columbia9603]

Both Giannis and Jokic have the strongest arguments. I would have to Go with the Joker though

[@curtiszyr]

Yes an absolute joke 😂😂

[@justtimes9257]

when kawhi was the primary defender on lebron he held lebron to 42% shooing

[@_M....]

all he did was block Lebron from driving to the basket a few times. Lebron already can't shoot. 42% on mostly jumpshots is a great night for lebron who has never averaged more than 38% shooting from outside of 0-3 feet from the basket.

[@justtimes9257]

@@_M.... that was from the field

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@_M....Yeah, but that's still shit lmao. Almost nobody can stop a Lebron drive. 42% on jumpshots isn't good for anyone and its a credit to Leonards defense that Lebrons primery method of scoring was taken away from him. And id like to remind you this was Heat Lebron where he had a great jumper for some reason.

[@Reallybadtryhard]

That comment about Tatum vs Brown aged perfectly after the 2024 playoffs

[@otislamar8613]

It’s not fair to not give Tatum his share of credit because the numbers say if you take him off and leave brown with the others the team is a net negative so even if JB is close to Tatum he’s still on a whole different level

[@SnuggieMaple]

2:20 weird ahh Spurs Also tbh I would still say Kawhi deserved that Finals mvp but what really hurts it is the missed free throw that led to Ray Allen’s 3 pointer (also helps that Chris Bosh wasn’t boxed out)

[@ZeWhiteRabbit8]

"Kevin Durant has 2 rings the same way O.J Simpson has never murdered anybody." -Barry McCockiner

[@lakeshowbron4747]

😂😂😂

[@curtiszyr]

Can’t deny reality/facts , anything less would make you delusional 😂

[@daevonthesavage7483]

couldn't get pass the 1:15 mark without pausing and laughing. that amount of Caping, Coping, and Capping people do about the 2017 finals is hilarious. Both the Warriors and Cavs entered that series with a Combined 24-1 record LMAO Cavs were not Depleted they just got Defeated. that matchup was dead even unless you wanna overrate everybody not named Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry on the Warriors roster. Not letting that one slide no more

[@acgeewhiz]

Yeah, Cavs were mostly healthy and cruised through the playoffs, but I think when you compare stars, Warriors were a bit farther ahead than you think. They had four All Stars to Cleveland’s three, two MVP level players to Cleveland’s one, and one DPOY winner to Cleveland’s none. And the Cavalier role players didn’t have good games. Steph Curry was out rebounding Tristan Thompson, and Kyle Korver only scored 22 points in 5 games. So, a definitive win by the Warriors, no doubt. And while the Cavs were not depleted, they didn’t start at the same talent level as Golden State, and played poorly. They were expected to lose.

[@AKalam-wp7wu]

be for real man, compare the regular season and the bench, literally every player after KD on that finals team was better than the equivalent on the cavs. You're not cool for having a contrarian take, it just means you wanna be different.

[@daevonthesavage7483]

@@AKalam-wp7wu i said what i said in my comment. if you wanna overrate the warriors roster then go ahead. but as i recall, nobody was singing bs tune December 26th after cleveand won off that kyrie game winner. everybody and they momma couldn't wait for the finals after that Christmas game. so im not hearing none of that "Uneven" talk. people only started that bs because the Warriors smoked em in 5. with the cavs choking game 3 too.

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@daevonthesavage7483 KD(MVP Caliber) = LBJ(MVP Caliber) SC (MVP Caliber) > Kyrie(All NBA at his best) Klay Thompson(2nd Best shooter ever) > Past his prime Love Draymond(DPOY) > any other Cavs player I'm sorry the matchup was unever especially since Love played terribly.

[@daevonthesavage7483]

@@samraizshoaib585 Kevin Love was not past his prime. Dude came in the league with his college teammate Russell Westbrook the same year. Cut the BS. And if I recall, plenty people during that time frame was literally Debating if Kyrie was better than Steph. And nobody was calling Klay the second best shooter ever yet. This is revising history you're doing. Stop it

[@DbLegends84]

Here after Luka dropped 73 and won his team needed all 73 of those points too.

[@InfernalLegion84]

I absolutely love yar vidz, keep em coming!!

[@SnuggieMaple]

1:18 thank you for mentioning the KD injury comeback

[@VLE-Grimace]

The glazing is insane

[@crazynic2848]

4:03 why is luka doing the hangman style 😂

[@TXEDITS-u6j]

For Luka, all you have to do is look at the mavs grizzlies game last night. Luka didn’t play and the mavs dropped 94 points. Grant Williams led the team with 16 points and kyrie had 10. The mavs need Luka

[@imhappyusher69]

Thats just 1 game bro. But I do agree they need luka

[@Baddknewz]

I think he’s gonna be the most overrated stat padder of all time. Soon to surpass James Harden

[@viscount8388]

@@BaddknewzLuka just dropped 35-15-15 tonight

[@Baddknewz]

@@viscount8388 and still LOST. Thats my entire point lmao. He not gonna win a chip, im calling it now:

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@BaddknewzMost players don't win a championship. nd yeah, the Mavs lost. Because they're not a great team and have traded their defense away.

[@dubrollin]

Kawhi did more in the 2014 finals than his stats show, I remember watching that series, he was everywhere

[@matthewlee4697]

Totally agree 💯

[@thirteen26]

This reminded me of that clip of LeBron reacting to Leonard subbing back in the game. It proved how much of a pest Leonard was to LeBron defensively

[@samraizshoaib585]

Also, he's leaving out a very important point. Lebron scored most of his points when Kawhi wasn't on the floor. According to statistics Lebron was 10-20% less likely to be involved in a play when Kawhi was on the floor and was much less likely to attempt a shot with Kawhi guarding him. Kawhi guarded him far better than any other player on the Spurs and slowed him down in the minutes that mattered. He got rested when the game was a blowout and that's where Lebron had most of his points. Plus, the Raptors were always choking before Leonard. Demars among the worst playoff performers ever.

[@rizwanimanullah2261]

Yeah and he forgot to mention how the only reason they were 59 and 23 the season before was because their best player by far got traded and kyle lowry wasnt even averaging 20 points and every other player was young on the team

[@cristan7525]

Kevin Durant is definitely the best on the players of this list. Statically and achievement wise, Jokic can probably surpass him though by the end of his career

[@siler22]

Out of all things you could put as asterik for Luka you choose to put that Mavericks performing better without him?? they are one of worst teams in the league without him

[@zervoles8845]

no. denver without jokic is

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@zervoles8845Because of inhuries more than anything. The teams great they're just injury prone.

[@NoahCobb-x6l]

They are literally the worst team in the league without him

[@mahmoodabdulrazzaq5033]

I gotta say this is such a smart and entertaining way of being a hater without seeming like it haha. Keep it up.

[@raghavkrishna1690]

great video rebound

[@Orto4956]

Jokic doesn’t need to be fast. We’ve gotten so used to a fast guy league that we’ve forgotten the greatness of the big man game, and the great thing about Jokic is that he has the playing style of Shaq, the shooting ability of Hakeem, and the basketball IQ of Larry Bird. Jokic’s production prove that the old ways aren’t gone and he’s brought it back and better than ever.

[@michaelfishe3963]

Until he plays Embiid

[@curtiszyr]

Play style of Shaq ? Ha! you definitely didn’t watch Shaq play he has non of those things , in a watered down league lacking bigs that can barely box out 😂. y’all just fan boy the shxt out of this man giving him other players attribute like you’re building a player on 2k what else he have Kobe Jordan killer mentality? 😂

[@safiullahadnan34]

@@curtiszyr callin the league watered down is crazy u dont know ball

[@GaryWrightUtah]

Nailed it dude.... thanks for telling it like it is.

[@FOWBOWZ]

I love this channel bro

[@REALKENNYKOT4Q]

Can you do one of these based on the 50s and 60s

[@verward]

Yo the 2017 Cavs were not depleted. That's probably the best Cavs team in history, they just ran into the Warriors.

[@AshanDoe]

notice how he didn’t include thanasis since there’s nothing negative to say about him

[@SirRocko]

i dont see my goat thanasis ever getting an asterisk 🐐

[@lorddevil863]

You made an editing error. In your previous video, the GOAT asterisk had Curry on the clip following the nominees for GOAT and even got discussed. But this time, you forgot to add him to the GOAT debate intro.

[@hogrider5059]

Stop it... 😂

[@MajestyMusa]

Bouncing on it

[@wanderlustwarrior]

He's even mentioned twice in the video's description. And I'm not a Warriors stan, but it still feels like Steph's era. This is probably the last year of the dynasty (as a contender if not champion), maybe they can extend it one more, but Steph personally is going out with a bang.

[@Slideshowsports]

So Luka made the finals and Tatum won a ring.

[@jumblesgaming]

And Brown won Finals MVP which proves his other point

[@VenomousX]

😂😂😂😂😂 #TRUE that was awesome!

[@shakey215]

I'm a bucks fan but Jokic is the best of this era. One of the most phenomenal players ever, the most unique player ever other than maybe Magic and Wilt in their eras.

[@ranchosdelnorte]

It's crazy how last year what Jokic shot from the field (66%) is higher than what Giannis shot in free throws.

[@jaimeviejo8379]

Luka’s asterisk is that his team is too good? or am i misinterpreting? that certainly should’ve the case

[@nicjanelle]

I love that Anthony Bennet finds a way into most of these videos. I chuckle seeing his bad stats completely out of nowhere.

[@henrikrossow7153]

most of lebeon’s points in that finals where when kawhi was on the bench, since he knew he could score, but with kawhi, he knew it would be much harder

[@Angen77]

Jokic currently has the highest PER for Career of all time, ahead of Jordan, Wilt & Lebron, and he’s not done. Projections have him doing better next year. Don’t see any teams that can stop them from getting to the finals this year and Denver has beat Boston 4 out of the last 5 games. Flash forward 2.2 years --> Jokic has 5 MVP’s total and 4 Rings, now has the all time high for career PER with 29.7 with the most years and most consecutive years of 30+ PER in a season with 6 (no one else has more than 3) And the 2 best seasons of all time with PER. At the end of Luka Doncic’s current contract, he gets fed up with the Mavericks and “defects” to Denver where he is able to team up with Jokic for the highest Basketball IQ super-team in history and add 3 or 4 more rings. At this point the Wemby will be begin to be in his prime as well as SGA and Holmgren will be in their prime to give them a run for their money. It’s going to be an interesting ride.

[@hans.lankamp]

I can see Jokic at the end of his career being like Kareem. Someone with a truly unbeatable skill that just broke every other team, but not making the next generation pick up this skill.

[@nemajabakic4546]

Why not he is most watched player right now in last fove years all most watched games are from this season even though ratings are down and all games were Denver games lik opening night IDK in how many years was it most watched same for chatolics christmas and for Philly and Boston match too

[@DIXIE-DEAN]

9:14 Bro was laughing himself 🤣🤣

[@markysng]

I think people need to distinguish between being the GOAT and an all-time great. GOATs are players who are basically incredibly good and have had excellent careers, so like MJ, Bron, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Basically the top 5 players All time greats just refers to the players who haven’t achieved something in terms of career success, or weren’t as individually dominant. So like KD, AI, Karl Malone. I see it as a spectrum, so the more an all time great proves themselves, the closer they get to GOAT conversation

[@joshuaavery1552]

1:55 Kevin Durant almost beat the Bucks all on his own when his best teammates were injured and plus we haven’t seen him with a full nba season with the suns and I get they didn’t make the nba finals this past year but come on at least give them a couple of fully healthy seasons then criticize him if the suns don’t make it

[@saul-goodman]

I respect that you don’t put nearly the same asterisk on the 2019 title as everyone else. The Raptors were the best team in the league that year and they deserved to win the championship

[@KesiaR666]

1:42 needs crazy context they were all young guys who wasn't even supposed to make it that deep in the playoffs 🤦🏾‍♂️ trying to shit on them for losing to a much more experienced team is mad stupid.

[@rowannp2058]

The goat of the 2020s is Gianni’s 🗣️🗣️

[@SnuggieMaple]

4:30 Ye Jalen Brunson was being held down

[@h3r01cviii5]

1:56 yall forget that the only reason the nets lost game 7 to the bucks is cause of kd's big feet

[@Nktzzzzz]

KD was Gordon Ramsey level cooked in this vid

[@Giannisfan45.]

Giannis is the goat for this area. Can't say anything.

[@manuel-ocho7671]

Lebron scored like 4 points on Kawhi in the last 3 games of the 2014 finals while the score was within 10 points... Kawhi's work on Lebron is beyond ridiculous... Bron did all his scoring while the game was out of reach and when Kawhi wasn't on him... that 2014 Finals MVP doesn't deserve an asterisk

[@kwstaskakoudakis]

giannis has the edge over jokic because he is better defender and he is decent passer. they are close in points and jokic better passer.

[@ranchosdelnorte]

No. Jokic is a decent defender but on top of that he is a historic passer. And just looking at number of points isn't telling much, Giannis gets his through one of the highest usage rates and with the most free throw attempts. Jokic's scoring is based on ridiculous efficiency, with shooting splits that completely blow Giannis' out of the water at every spot on the court.

[@i_l96]

DPOY and MIP, puts Giannis ahead of Jokic

[@zatablet5793]

"Who's really better here, jayson tatum or jaylen brown?" Is this even a question or a troll? Hello????

[@codyrob8966]

I feel like giannis could either be a top 10 player all time or end up being another Demarcus cousins(still an amazing player dont get me wrong) and it really just depends if he gets his shooting down or not. Coming from a big time bucks fan too

[@Steelers22-jb9xg]

You should make these for other eras

[@lalboi4053]

Whoever comes out of the east or west, is the best team to beat all odds . So , it should not be an asterisk. Its not a player fault if his team is weak and is not his fault if the best player does not show up in the final

[@SnuggieMaple]

1:41 Harden wasn’t even an all star at the time and it was a prime Heat team and also the 3-1 lead choke was bad but then again the Warriors were 73-9 and then did it against the Cavaliers 😂

[@Baruch.Goldstein]

For Giannis his shooting keeps getting worse because he's bulking up without practicing. He has all this extra strength and size with no idea how to use it in his shot.

[@AKalam-wp7wu]

on the jayson tatum vs jaylen brown thing you just didn't even mention a reason why jaylen brown could be considered better other than their contracts? Tatum is literally better at everything than jaylen brown: scoring, passing, defense. The debate on who's better was obvious from the start and people just wanna support someone they believe is underrated.

[@ChimeRally]

Kawhi held lebron down a lot during that heat spurs finals. Whatever scoring LeBron did to hold his high ppg was done in garbage time and when kawhi was benched.

[@cheap272]

calling tatum and brown batman and superman is like calling giannis and khris batman and superman

[@ChimeRally]

Its ok that embiid didn't make past the second round, its just that his performance drops off a whole lot which indicates he is indeed a fraud in the playoffs but still a load managing regular season beast

[@GriffinMacGillivray]

8:50 bars

[@TheHomieTitz]

The only GOAT is LeBron. His whole bloodline is goated.

[@paulkevinsomera1007]

He mentioned that two of current stars (Lebron and Steph obviously) does belong in the previous gen. But, wtf did KD doing? He’s from the 2000’s era 🤣

[@nanisupreme]

my definition of the goat is not titles but gameplay, how do you impact the game within the rules, and luka is the goat of pure basketball, he is pure, everyone else looks mechanical, including the current and past goats, i would define it as close control the likes of messi but in basketball and jokic is like zidane or something

[@tyriordan]

bro cooked kd 😂

[@wanderlustwarrior]

To me, it's still Steph Curry's era. You mentioned him in the description twice, but not in the video.

[@zatablet5793]

Sooo... Luka is not the goat because his team is... okay without him?

[@emmanuelferguson]

I'm tired of people saying "GOAT of x period". GOAT stands for Greatest Of All Time for a reason, the ALL TIME part seems to get lost in translation. I think it's time for someone to come up with a new word/acronym.

[@ItJBHere]

HEY THATS MY NAME

[@CJ_8911]

9:50 You forgot DeAndre Jordan

[@BRAN_BOSS]

giannis is 100% the goat, he got all the achievments jokic has +1 defesnive player of the year award, and i find ti absoloutley idootic to say he cant be the goat because he cant shoot, you gonna use that logic with MJ because he could shoot 3pt? or Kareem? or Shaq?

[@Bluebirdfalling]

The greatest regular team to ever exist. Record-wise. The Bulls won the year they had the record previously.

[@wanderlustwarrior]

That's why he said *regular season*.

[@elijahmanley536]

The kd disrespect in the beginning was crazy

[@oftfnas]

number two

[@1stCommentCop]

Rebound Rewind trying desperately to find any arguments for why Nikola Jokic isn't the GOTE

[@voyagerofsatan9715]

Bruce brown has to be on here

[@totally_t8]

I think the goat of this era is curry because he’s been doing great for longer than everyone named in this video

[@Teachingcasuals]

Jimmy is a goat. He damn near went to 4 straight finals. Thats almost half the decade 😂

[@bwink23]

1996 Bulls greatest regular season team ever

[@muizmin]

I don't like Celtics but c'mon now...Tatum clears Brown, it's not close bruh🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@OluwatobiAustin-AdesinaFlavian]

Nikola Jokic is not the GOAT of this era

[@MahiMahi4757-zr9zf]

He is

[@spidamitchell8311]

Brown just got overpaid lmao 😂 That doesn’t mean anything.

[@camiisepik_4]

notice how sga isn’t on this list

[@MahiMahi4757-zr9zf]

Where’s Josh giddey?

[@gold-man9]

Where’s Steph and Lebron. Also Caruso???????????

[@ryanhutcheson1911]

Depends on what you consider this era GOAT of the last 5 years in Nikola Jokić If it’s the GOAT of the last 10 years it’s LeBron James.

[@Zakatkpro]

Goat of the last 5 years has to be giannis. Jokic didn't become a superstar until the 2020-2021 season, Giannis won an mvp 2 years before Jokic. Giannis has been a superstar for the last 5 years while Jokic has been a superstar for the last 3.

[@ranchosdelnorte]

@@Zakatkpro Jokic elevated to superstar in '18-'19, he had he Nuggets as the top seed most of the year until GSW(final year with K.D) finally overtook them at the very end. Nikola was 5th in MVP, but had a better year than Lebron and Paul George and they only got more votes for being bigger names. In '19-'20 he went to the WCF and achieved history with the first back to back 3-1 comebacks. And if you look at whenever Jokic and Giannis have gone head to head in the past few years, it's heavily favored in Jokic's side with the Nuggets usually winning by an average of 30pts.

[@Zakatkpro]

@@ranchosdelnorte this is simply not true. Jokic did not become a superstar until his first mvp season. Yes he was still an all star beforehand. But back in 2018, 2019, 2020, ask any nba fan who was better, Giannis or Jokic, and they would have laughed at you. Giannis has been better for longer.

[@ranchosdelnorte]

@@Zakatkpro No, Giannis just was able to have success sooner, mostly from playing in an easier conference. Jokic missed the playoffs in '17-'18 despite having a better record than 3 Eastern playoff teams. In 2018 Jokic had already showed he could be worthy of being called the top center and one of the best players in the league, he just hadn't had enough opportunities to also prove himself in the playoffs yet.

[@Zakatkpro]

@@ranchosdelnorte you are completely missing my point, Jokic in 2019 and 2020 put up around 20 10 and 7. Good numbers, but not superstar numbers. Giannis in those years put up around 29 13 and 6. It's not even close. Jokic can't be the best player in the last 5 years if Giannis was significantly better than Jokic in two of them

[@181cameron]

You said GOTE of this era which is Greatest of this era of this era. That makes you the GOTE of the gotes of this era's gotes.

[@swankwms]

Luca now made the finals in 2024 lost in 5 to the Celtics

[@kennylynch-t1z]

the Warriors championship wasn't rigged the Heat Thunder series was the 1 that was rigged

[@TRJ690]

Under 10 minutes gang like this comment pls

[@Joemight13]

Jayson Tatum is the best Kevin Durant defender

[@samraizshoaib585]

Ehh, the Celtics ran team defense. Not iso Tatum and Durant.

[@Bluebirdfalling]

That doesn't mean that he's not a bad player

[@YetiMcLovin]

Luka saw this video and put up 73