Recreating The Pioneer Woman's Lasagna Dip & Chips From Taste | Reverse Engineering | Bon Appétit

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2 жыл бұрын

We challenged resident Bon Appétit supertaster and test kitchen director Chris Morocco to recreate a lasagna dip and chips recipe made famous by Ree Drummond of "The Pioneer Woman." The catch? He'll have to use each of his senses - other than sight. Does Chris have what it takes to recognize and reproduce the layers of flavor while fully blindfolded?
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@melindalee8659
@melindalee8659 2 жыл бұрын
Oh Chris. I love this episode back in the test kitchen and I especially love that Chris couldn’t come up with “regular people cheese.” These episodes are some of my favorites.
@elizalagonia1049
@elizalagonia1049 2 жыл бұрын
I was laughing at the "regular people" cheese segment. Like really, what's the typical cheese in a lasanga?
@scstee01
@scstee01 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in the Midwest, and the lasagna I grew up with had cottage cheese instead of ricotta.
@MegaShyguy2
@MegaShyguy2 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love these episodes. They're right up there with "It's Alive" with Brad.
@reggiewood5164
@reggiewood5164 2 жыл бұрын
@@scstee01 ricotta was saved for special big family dinners, but the fact he didn't even name that was hilarious
@reggiewood5164
@reggiewood5164 2 жыл бұрын
I want a dish that's like macaroni with kraft singles mixed with Velveeta topped with powered parm and see his brain shut down.
@michellex377
@michellex377 2 жыл бұрын
I literally want an episode where Chris just blind tastes tests all sorts of cheeses.
@meganviccica
@meganviccica 2 жыл бұрын
There's a group one with the old BA KZbin crew. Can't remember if he was in it.
@girder123
@girder123 2 жыл бұрын
Only regular people cheeses please ;)
@angelabury1349
@angelabury1349 2 жыл бұрын
@@girder123 String cheese, American slices, Cheese Wiz, and Velveeta! Bet he's never had any of them. Gotta love him, but his food snootiness is why he's still with BA.
@D1E9B9B9I2E
@D1E9B9B9I2E 2 жыл бұрын
@@angelabury1349 I didn't think I had cheese snootiness but I don't have any idea what those are lol, probably because I'm not american. It's interesting that in a world where most basic foods are the same in all western countries, cheese is still a pretty locally based food.
@MODElAIRPLANE100
@MODElAIRPLANE100 2 жыл бұрын
@@angelabury1349 none of the listed ‘cheeses’ are cheese
@CCDRaydiance
@CCDRaydiance 2 жыл бұрын
Final episode of Reverse Engineering is just going to be Chris vs a cheese platter. 😆
@cassiesommers7976
@cassiesommers7976 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see an episode where Brad tries this and Chris is the judge.
@sarahssentongo2587
@sarahssentongo2587 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like brad would just start adding random ingredients that he wants whether he thinks their in the recipe or not.
@jillybean7825
@jillybean7825 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahssentongo2587 “some fresh chives would really bring out the flavors in this dish”
@kingofpancakes1278
@kingofpancakes1278 2 жыл бұрын
@@jillybean7825 “that’s cooking”
@cashisking7172
@cashisking7172 2 жыл бұрын
Im witcha
@vo7724
@vo7724 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute chaos will ensue
@feliciaivy
@feliciaivy 2 жыл бұрын
“Did you salt the water?” This is what happens when Molly isn’t in the test kitchen anymore 😂
@jhandle900
@jhandle900 2 жыл бұрын
Is Chris the only one left?
@feliciaivy
@feliciaivy 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhandle900 and Brad too I think
@jhandle900
@jhandle900 2 жыл бұрын
@@feliciaivy I saw some of his vids. I'm glad Brad is doin his own thing out in nature.
@zigguratzelatrix9876
@zigguratzelatrix9876 Жыл бұрын
I miss the original gang
@SirPrizeMF
@SirPrizeMF 2 жыл бұрын
I've never legit seen Chris crack up like that. He's clearly happy to be there, back in his element. You just love to see it.
@37Kilroy
@37Kilroy 2 жыл бұрын
Aren't we f***ing all
@luciano53688
@luciano53688 2 жыл бұрын
And he is swearing like a madman. That was delightful
@benfecteau1293
@benfecteau1293 2 жыл бұрын
The Ghost of Red Leicester will forever haunt Chris
@kimbarbeaureads
@kimbarbeaureads 2 жыл бұрын
I was trying to think of how to spell Leicester. He needs a cheese tasting episode.
@amandapadalino3763
@amandapadalino3763 2 жыл бұрын
"i mean, I just look unhinged" is the most Chris Morocco reaction to hacking up dry lasagna noodles 😆
@emmythemac
@emmythemac 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that ricotta is in like 80% of the lasagna recipes in the US and yet Chris was like...BUT IT CAN'T BE RICOTTA. And he was thinking Rachel Ray! RACHEL RAY WOULDA PUT RICOTTA. Yet another reminder to play the player, not the game.
@moonchild271
@moonchild271 2 жыл бұрын
Am so glad to see Chris back in the test kitchen... the previous background wasn't doing it for me as well😂
@45axelh
@45axelh 2 жыл бұрын
Not having anyone to taste the food has been a huge buzzkill for me. Food is social after all.
@elangomattab
@elangomattab 2 жыл бұрын
Now we just need to let him do his own shopping again and this series will be mostly back to normal!
@trophbrwntrouthunter
@trophbrwntrouthunter 2 жыл бұрын
Same, so glad he’s back in his element.
@HannahJGriffiths
@HannahJGriffiths 2 жыл бұрын
I love seeing Chris battling with having to reduce his classical chef skills and knowledge to ‘ordinary people’ recipes and ingredients 😂
@Stonerhair
@Stonerhair 2 жыл бұрын
Cheeses will always be Chris' kryptonite. I wonder if he wakes up in a cold sweat breathlessly repeating "red Leicester" until the monster goes away...
@bureku
@bureku 2 жыл бұрын
Cheese will all ways be his.... CHRISTONITE!
@MichaelLaFrance1
@MichaelLaFrance1 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I see a red Leicester cheese, I think about that episode.
@lisaseidel2606
@lisaseidel2606 2 жыл бұрын
“Whacking a raw turkey. Is that part of the recipe?” And this is why I adore Chris.
@pceconi
@pceconi 2 жыл бұрын
cheese still tripping chris up.
@DaveChappeleIsGod
@DaveChappeleIsGod 2 жыл бұрын
Cheese is such a hard thing when it's part of a mixture.... Honestly even nice Parm on top of red sauce gets a little lost for me, unless there's a lot of it. Also, what madman puts cottage cheese in a lasagna?
@kjdude8765
@kjdude8765 2 жыл бұрын
@@DaveChappeleIsGod A Midwesterner crazy person would put cottage cheese in there. Especially when Ricotta wasn't available widely until recently.
@MrTitaniumDioxide
@MrTitaniumDioxide 2 жыл бұрын
Not only cheeses -- what about herbs? How does a 'super-taster' miss basil and only picks up parsley upon second tasting?
@jjkim5878
@jjkim5878 2 жыл бұрын
What was impressive was Chris course correcting after the first round and thinking through the technique based on what he thought of as the reason behind creating a dish like this - doing the sauce in one pan and not taking things out and putting back in and also baking chips and not the fussier frying. Always appreciate him applying critical thinking to the mission and sharing the logic with us. He just couldn’t overcome his cheese discrimination. Got close though. 👍
@haveron
@haveron 2 жыл бұрын
“like going off a flavor jump on your BMX” - there’s that classic Chris Morocco culinary intellect
@aliciawachon8728
@aliciawachon8728 2 жыл бұрын
"Do you remember what cheese regular people eat?" HAHAH, soo good to see the test kitchen again!!
@kimbarbeaureads
@kimbarbeaureads 2 жыл бұрын
So funny. He talks about his kids being pick eaters. Get them some string cheese! Lol
@AlbieMartin2017
@AlbieMartin2017 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch it’s alive all the comments say how Brad is keeping the channel going. This is the best series on the channel IMO
@seanoreilly1832
@seanoreilly1832 2 жыл бұрын
This channel would be nothing without Brad
@rachellauryn9547
@rachellauryn9547 2 жыл бұрын
Chris saying he looked unhinged while hacking at dried pasta made me laugh harder than it should have
@caitlinstone596
@caitlinstone596 2 жыл бұрын
SAME. Probably my favorite moment of the whole video 😂
@Eva-li5tp
@Eva-li5tp 2 жыл бұрын
this is my all time favorite bon appetit show. PLEASE make more!!!
@Rodviet
@Rodviet 2 жыл бұрын
I hope this goes on for years!! hahaha
@TheRealChetManley
@TheRealChetManley 2 жыл бұрын
Chris is my favorite BA chef. Loving his colorful use of language. We need unedited versions of this. 😂 Glad to have this show back.
@charliem27
@charliem27 2 жыл бұрын
Chris chopping the dry noodle had me laughing so hard
@wordkyle
@wordkyle 2 жыл бұрын
As happy as Chris was to be back in the test kitchen, we were happy to see you there.
@CyrusEnnui
@CyrusEnnui 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Chris do this exact format, but have an average person trying to make the dish under the same circumstances. I think it would kinda show how much skill Chris has in the kitchen
@idontusenumbers
@idontusenumbers 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should have a few more people try the same challenge to verify Chris is actually a super taster
@revelationtek3
@revelationtek3 2 жыл бұрын
In the south, cottage cheese is used a lot to give flavor and cheese pull. We often add ricotta because we think it's fancy or because we heard it's the correct cheese to use. Also cottage cheese is common in our fridges because cottage cheese and fruit are a common combo. So, if it seems like a bad pizza or something cheap assume cottage cheese.
@BelleMorte1979
@BelleMorte1979 2 жыл бұрын
I think cottage cheese is used as well since it's cheaper and sometimes easier to find than actual ricotta.
@Uldihaa
@Uldihaa 2 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed Chris resisted the temptation to say, "Someone is spanking a turkey."
@fordflor7665
@fordflor7665 2 жыл бұрын
"Whacking a raw turkey" Chris invented a new euphemism! (I think)
@hatshepsutxlll
@hatshepsutxlll 2 жыл бұрын
automatic cut when they reveal the name, only means they cut out the response that definitely happened where chris morocco says "Who tf is Ree Drummond?" 🤣
@mitchco6704
@mitchco6704 2 жыл бұрын
Renewing the call for an old recipe of Chris’s development for blind recreation!
@colinr4228
@colinr4228 2 жыл бұрын
A few thoughts: - Love Chris being back in the BA kitchen! - Love that this video has more side-by-side shots of technique to see comparisons. - Not loving the changed lighting. It feels darker and dirtier (yellow-er?). It was so crisp and bright before (blue-er?).
@brianloper6669
@brianloper6669 2 жыл бұрын
Who hates yellow light? Personal preference but anytime I move somewhere new one of the first things I do is change the bulbs to yellow or put yellow shades on lamps. It's so much warmer
@biologynerd3
@biologynerd3 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianloper6669 ironically the first thing I do when I move to a new place is change all the yellow lights to much bluer ones! I find yellow light so depressing.
@brianloper6669
@brianloper6669 2 жыл бұрын
@@biologynerd3 I can understand that, blue is very calming, as well. Yellow just gives me reading a book by the fireplace while drinking tea kinda vibes.
@merecarke6751
@merecarke6751 2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother was in the hospital for dementia complications. The nurse asked her how she liked the hospital lasagne and she replied that it was no good- nothing like her lasagne. The nursed asked her how she makes lasagne and she explained she used cottage cheese. The nurse looked at me apologetically and said “I’m sorry dear, that’s the dementia talking” and I laughed and told her no! We’re poor, we put cottage cheese in our lasagne!
@MusicalMicki11
@MusicalMicki11 2 жыл бұрын
I want a series where Chris recreates these dishes the way he thinks they should be made
@Taco2k_
@Taco2k_ 2 жыл бұрын
BACK IN THE TEST KITCHEN! LOVE IT!
@beachblond1968
@beachblond1968 2 жыл бұрын
Chris never ceases to amaze me and make me laugh. This series is my fave on this channel. Happy you’re back in the test kitchen.
@arlenesolis024
@arlenesolis024 2 жыл бұрын
Chris is the master taster…you can’t fool him. And I think he judge himself a little harsh. Believe in your taste Chris. YOU GOT THIS 😂
@hatshepsutxlll
@hatshepsutxlll 2 жыл бұрын
i feel like these episodes have definitively proved time and time again that you can, in fact, fool him 🤣
@audreykwong5107
@audreykwong5107 2 жыл бұрын
WERE BACK. OH MY GOD. OH MY GOD. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. ALSO HUNZI!
@missdaisy3172
@missdaisy3172 2 жыл бұрын
So glad this is back in the Bon Appetit kitchen. Makes things feel normal again. Love watching Chris and his skills with tasting and smelling food and knowing what it is without seeing it.
@PSroka
@PSroka 2 жыл бұрын
you keep giving this poor man cheese! One of few things he's not so keen on :(
@deprofundis3293
@deprofundis3293 2 жыл бұрын
Which is why we need to keep throwing cheese dishes at him! 😂😈
@mazemeg11
@mazemeg11 2 жыл бұрын
Loved how happy you were Chris to be back in the test kitchen!! Your face was priceless 😁
@AlexSmith-ep5qp
@AlexSmith-ep5qp 2 жыл бұрын
Remember the good old days when it was the old BA staff? :((( I miss them
@indiranathoo7973
@indiranathoo7973 2 жыл бұрын
So do you know who left and who is still here? I’ve seen Chris and Brad, but that’s about it.
@snakezulu7
@snakezulu7 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they're seeing how many turkey slaps are required until the whole thing is cooked?
@meganviccica
@meganviccica 2 жыл бұрын
So glad to see Chris back in the test kitchen. Can't wait for the shopping cart rides to come back.
@stphnieroll
@stphnieroll 2 жыл бұрын
I love that they’re back in the test kitchen and I love that Chris is amped that they’re back in the test kitchen.
@chronosorion6911
@chronosorion6911 2 жыл бұрын
WOOOOOOOO!!!! Finally back toward the OG format, but I'll still be calling for him to get a night to think on it, and a third round!!!
@livesouthernable
@livesouthernable 2 жыл бұрын
Do you remember what cheese regular people eat? 😂 That’s so Chris. I love it.
@kwebst1
@kwebst1 2 жыл бұрын
Chris! Reverse engineering in the test kitchen!!OMG life is back to normal for me
@jasmineeeee433
@jasmineeeee433 2 жыл бұрын
Come on, Chris! When I think of lasagna I literally immediately think ricotta lol
@daisyduan1755
@daisyduan1755 2 жыл бұрын
2:04 "sorry you had to see that" idk why but this moment was so adorb, so chris morocco
@juhinamaj
@juhinamaj 2 жыл бұрын
so glad to have you back! I missed bon appetite in the kitchen
@jagrubster
@jagrubster 2 жыл бұрын
I been WAITING for this one! Turn it up!
@pandabear123ization
@pandabear123ization 2 жыл бұрын
I would love an episode where they feature and celebrate POC
@azoairport
@azoairport 2 жыл бұрын
Chris's pretentiousness with cheese sometimes is his downfall. But then other times he's not pretentious enough because they'll throw him a curveball with really fancy cheeses no one else uses.
@100nitrog2
@100nitrog2 2 жыл бұрын
I think Red Leicester really traumatized him. That was his Batman moment.
@azoairport
@azoairport 2 жыл бұрын
@@100nitrog2 yeah who's going to get that unless you're just an absolute cheese snob.
@melissasa312
@melissasa312 2 жыл бұрын
Screaming RICOTTA at my iPad
@andrester88
@andrester88 2 жыл бұрын
@@azoairport Red Leicester is actually a very common cheese across the pond. It's nothing fancy at all.
@azoairport
@azoairport 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrester88 most of us plebeians on the other side usually have never heard of it so think it's fancy.
@rafaelandrade7819
@rafaelandrade7819 2 жыл бұрын
Love this series. So much fun and learning
@helvetiqa
@helvetiqa 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from flyover country, where ricotta was not available in the average supermarket during my childhood and we ALWAYS used cottage cheese in lasagna/baked ziti/etc.
@BelleMorte1979
@BelleMorte1979 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Exactly the same here. it wasn't common. We had friends that ran an Italian restaurant and they used ricotta rather than cottage cheese or the béchamel.
@gummy227
@gummy227 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot express how much I love Chris, I'm so glad he's back in the test kitchen. Also there should be an opposite show with brad cooking and Chris judging xD
@PromisedJubilee
@PromisedJubilee 2 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes! This is what I've been waiting for all year! Chris is baaaack!
@PaulJWells-ud2eq
@PaulJWells-ud2eq Жыл бұрын
Well done Sir. Well done. Best show on the Channel! Thanks
@QuietStormX
@QuietStormX 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah and Nice too see your Back! ;-D
@frnkndad
@frnkndad 2 жыл бұрын
Chris.....Great to see you back in the test kitchen. And I'm glad to see you really having a strong showing on your return.
@viziondfc
@viziondfc 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! Forgot how much I liked these in the test kitchen!
@georgez234
@georgez234 2 жыл бұрын
With Chris and Brad, this channel is just fantastic!
@AMJava
@AMJava 2 жыл бұрын
Yay!!!! Back in the test kitchen!! I knew I missed it, but I didn’t know it would make me just so happy!
@tobybabybot
@tobybabybot Жыл бұрын
Best cooking show on youtube. Never stop!
@trinkab
@trinkab Жыл бұрын
I just went to the Reverse engineering playlist..Playlist... turns out I've seen all of these... I. NEED. MORE!!
@andrewjolly319
@andrewjolly319 2 жыл бұрын
All the references to being back in the test kitchen, no references to the fact that there's hardly anyone we know left...
@abigailsouthart
@abigailsouthart 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this series
@ly4422
@ly4422 2 жыл бұрын
It's so great to see Chris back in the Test kitchen!
@marguaritetherese3156
@marguaritetherese3156 2 жыл бұрын
First I thought he was crazy saying it made lasagna more approachable because lasagna is so easy to make...then two minutes later I'm questioning whether lasagna is supposed to have bechamel. I thought cottage cheese and ricotta cheese were lasagna standards. It just leaves me questioning everything I thought I knew about lasagna. Also, so glad to see this back in the test kitchen with others tasting Chris' dish!
@lazyyethealthy9230
@lazyyethealthy9230 2 жыл бұрын
Bechamel is classic. Ricotta is more of a US thing.
@marguaritetherese3156
@marguaritetherese3156 2 жыл бұрын
@@lazyyethealthy9230 it seemed so obvious when he said it...I've just never even questioned our family recipe!
@TheFlix333
@TheFlix333 2 жыл бұрын
So good to see this back in the test kitchen… can’t wait for them to get the other shows back up!
@djm7494
@djm7494 2 жыл бұрын
I have MISSED YOU SO MUCH CHRIS! Recreating is my favourite Bon Ap playlist.
@ruby.intherough
@ruby.intherough 2 жыл бұрын
So happy to see the test kitchen again!! To me, oregano is a quintessential pizza ingredient, so it makes sense your dip was giving pizzas vibes. Can’t believe basil didn’t even cross your mind’s pallet! 🤪 ❤️ much love from Florida, can’t wait to see more from the BA TK❤️
@southernsunb
@southernsunb 2 жыл бұрын
This was so much fun. Happy to see Chris back in the test kitchen.
@kelseywoodie3012
@kelseywoodie3012 2 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking how badly I wanted this series to be back in the test kitchen with all the chaos that goes with it
@calvin013
@calvin013 2 жыл бұрын
SO many good parts of this one.... but her laugh at 19:47 was EPIC!!!! I do that laugh to Morocco EVERY time I see him do these!!!
@Rodviet
@Rodviet 2 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh!! I'm so happy to see the test kitchen again!!
@Eva-li5tp
@Eva-li5tp 2 жыл бұрын
THANK GOD! I NEEDED THIS TODAY!!!!!
@PopularNobody
@PopularNobody 2 жыл бұрын
BACK IN THE KITCHEN!!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@cryssiLOVE
@cryssiLOVE 2 жыл бұрын
I have never been so happy to see those counters in the background.
@janeillebraswell2519
@janeillebraswell2519 2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see the original cooks reactions to Chris & his insights.
@The_Green_Queen
@The_Green_Queen 2 жыл бұрын
What a wizard! He never ceases to blow my mind. He has to know every corner of the culinary world. I didn’t even know lasagna dip with pasta “chips” was a thing.
@Stormed95
@Stormed95 2 жыл бұрын
So glad to see Chris back in the test kitchen!
@akshanno
@akshanno 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy this is back in the test kitchen!
@braxave
@braxave 2 жыл бұрын
So glad this series is back
@claudiajade624
@claudiajade624 2 жыл бұрын
I really want to see like Gordon Ramsey (or another chef) reacting to this. Cause I want a sense of what I am blown away by vs how another chef would see it
@whyisthenameMOtaken
@whyisthenameMOtaken 2 жыл бұрын
I love how often Chris swears, it makes it so I can easily place myself in his shoes
@angelenaj0Li3
@angelenaj0Li3 2 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo the guys behind the scenes are saying exactly what I’ve been saying! Remember the regular people, simple food items Chris. Ricotta always goes in lasagna!
@mjg19981
@mjg19981 2 жыл бұрын
Chris is happy as hell being back😂🤣! Very happy for the BA Staff
@Buffaluffasaurus
@Buffaluffasaurus 2 жыл бұрын
As great as it is seeing Chris back in the test kitchen, I'm also excited that Mary Louise Parker's younger sister has joined the team.
@FUNGIxp
@FUNGIxp 2 жыл бұрын
Thank god they're back in the test kitchen. The magic of BA YT isn't the individual editors, it's the ensemble, it's the peek inside their "office", it's exactly this.
@adventuresinorganizing5773
@adventuresinorganizing5773 2 жыл бұрын
So happy to see this back again
@jessicaadams834
@jessicaadams834 2 жыл бұрын
I love these episodes!
@maddox4749
@maddox4749 2 жыл бұрын
IM SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS UPLOAD RN I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU
@uareri27
@uareri27 2 жыл бұрын
Aww so glad to see the test kitchen again!! I feel you Chris!!
@Zoe-fu7bt
@Zoe-fu7bt 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so nice to see Chris back in the test kitchen!
@Giggles190
@Giggles190 2 жыл бұрын
Love, love, love, that you are back in the test kitchen. Chris you are awesome, I want to be your friend.
@bbradleyjoness
@bbradleyjoness 2 жыл бұрын
I don't comment often, but this video was great! I love the idea. Do more!
@zyriapolk4435
@zyriapolk4435 Жыл бұрын
I love Chris so much he’s so talented!🫶🏽🫶🏽
@Gnilaem
@Gnilaem 2 жыл бұрын
Thankful to see you back! Amazing episode! I will be trying this #bigmealsinlittleplaces
@ReganAtSea
@ReganAtSea 2 жыл бұрын
nice to take a moment to acknowledge being back in the test kitchen without mentioning why or maybe reflecting on what it meant
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