RED Just Put Canon On Notice! RED KOMODO X vs Canon C400

[@ErisedMediaCo]

C400 is full frame, good autofocus, comes with EVERYTHING you need to start filming except media… RED isn’t putting anyone on notice. If you wanted a RED, you were getting a RED anyways. If you were already in the Canon ecosystem, it’s highly unlikely this will change that. The workflow is also ENTIRELY different. I don’t think this changed anything for anyone who was seriously considering the C400.

[@faithhouse6111]

it changed something for ppl who were seriously considering a komodo x.

[@carlosq00]

It changes a lot for someone like me

[@ErisedMediaCo]

@@faithhouse6111 not really though. Presumably you were putting the money aside already and now I have to save less. This is also comparison to the C400 and I don’t think it’s talked anybody out of it

[@mbismbismb]

@@ErisedMediaCo canon is laughing at this

[@carlosq00]

I know and have worked with a large number of Canon people and none of them have laughed to my face...

[@shnmdx]

All this camera gear coming out. Canon just released the C80. Which slightly less than the Red Komodo X but packed with C400 features

[@carlosq00]

the C80 will give KOMODO X a run for the money...and I'll jus say this. For most people me included, the C80 is a better option.

[@Shah_creates]

@@carlosq00 You are a professional colorist. I don't understand your enthusiasm for Canon when Red clearly has a much better color workflow and the ONLY company to do true 16-bit RAW, which is a future I actually use every time. IPP2 workflow with REDRAW is unmatched in the industry. As a colorist myself, can you please explain to me what I am missing? I own a Canon R5 with Atomos Ninja+ btw and am very familiar with it color and limitations.

[@escapingdeception5799]

What about the C80. I’m curious what your thoughts are on it

[@nes.torfernandez]

I am currently using the OG Komodo and the C70. I’ve also extensively used other cinema cameras from Canon’s C line and the KX as well. In my humble opinion, the C400 is a more versatile and complete package for any scenario. The Komodo X, on the other hand, is a great camera but requires some specific considerations, like extensive color grading and handling large files. I use the Komodo because I believe it’s the best camera for my needs, which is underwater cinematography. Underwater filming is particularly challenging in terms of achieving good lighting and color accuracy. However, for anything else, I prefer using a different camera unless the client specifically requests RED for topside shooting. Recently, I worked as the DoP for the A cam on a full episode of Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom Season 2, and I used the C70 for topside shots. If I’m not mistaken, I used less than 200GB on my Sd card. I want to clarify something I said about the Komodo X needing extensive color grading. It’s not that it can’t be used with a simple Rec709 LUT, but rather that if you’re using this camera, it’s because you want to take advantage of the huge flexibility R3D files offer. If you don’t need that, it negates one of the key reasons for choosing RED

[@faithhouse6111]

well said. poignant point about the flexibility of R3D raw.

[@carlosq00]

The simplified workflow that R3D offers is unmatched imo

[@loudandclearmedia]

@@carlosq00 I agree. Images straight out of RED cameras just look beautiful. Using IPP2, its super easy to just define your contrast levels and highlight knee, and that's it. Sure, C70 is also a great camera, but I always found myself tweaking the footage a bit more just to give myself a baseline, with the added expense of the files not being as robust as the R3D files. IMO C70s biggest strength is that it's the fastest handling video camera I've used, and the footage is always "good enough." A RED camera though, it is not.

[@carlosq00]

@@loudandclearmedia agreed, the C70 is NOT a RED or RED alternative.

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

Meanwhile Sony is ditzing around with their $25K Burano thinking people will pay that in this day and age when better cameras are getting cheaper and cheaper 😂

[@carlosq00]

As an owner operator there is no chance I would buy a Burano but for rental houses, it makes sense.

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

@@carlosq00 But at the point that you are having to rent, why not just rent a Venice?

[@MrJayclas]

Just get a Red Komodo at this point.

[@carlosq00]

honestly, I wouldn't ever choose a Burano for the work that I do.

[@carlosq00]

i mean the OG Komodo price new is not bad...i am guessing the used market will be awesome.

[@KennywiththeEmmy]

What’s the actual cost of the Komodo x once you get the add-ons you need to shoot efficiently compared to a c400 setup?

[@carlosq00]

Media and Battery is all you need to get up and running if you use your phone or tablet as a monitor...

[@Outlaw_270]

Red dropped their price because they caught the peoples elbow from Canon.

[@MrJaynice5]

The additional cost to get the Red camera will cost you close to $10k and more to make fully functional. Red is dope,but the Canon will work right out the box

[@carlosq00]

We can spend a grip rigging out any camera even mirrorless cameras. For the KOMODO X all you need is a battery, media and can use your phone or iPad to monitor...effectively you're up and running. There are a number of monitor options at all price points if using a smartphone is not an option.

[@wjohnson1186]

This whole video is crazy rambling. And why do you disable the dislike button??? It is wild that you are suggesting someone buy a Komodo X and effectively show up running it with just a phone. Maybe a student film where you can impress the kids, but I am sorry man... That would be wildly awkward for professional client work. And then talk about file sizes. My god. Not even that 1000 bucks you "saved" is gonna help you. The C400/FX6/3/30/C70 or many other cameras have way more usability to get working out of the box. The RED price drop is cool, but they are trying to be competitive with more than just the C400. The FX6/FX3/FX30 gang are holding down that area way more. And I would offer that RED cameras are not in the same bracket as most of those cameras. They all are geared to more solo operator setups. REDs have never been that. They are meant to be setup with all the lighting and setup controlled. Also the better theory about why the Komodo cameras got a price drop is that RED now being owned by Nikon, doesn't have to have such a high cost to get a return on the camera. Nikon can spread the RED development cost around to other products, and not RED doing it all themselves. I will also concede that probably part of it is to also move RED away from the RF mount, as I am sure Nikon doesn't want to pay Canon.

[@carlosq00]

how is the dislike button disabled? I have a handful of dislikes on this video thus far...also the wild allegation of me suggesting that someone go shoot client work using a phone, where did that come from? Last point, I am not suggesting that anyone go out and purchase anything. I'm not interested in telling anyone at any point how or what to do with their money. Not to mention we are all grown men and women.

[@fredpolo69]

@@carlosq00 it’s just that had you made these points before the price drop, about your own workflow, and usability than it would’ve been well received. It sounds like this gear is so good that you want it all, and it’s not really about a true workflow. Because with just one camera, in your capable hands, you can do anything you want especially with canon cameras. Your success has brought you an addiction to shopping for the latest and greatest. But, I’m not saying by any means you should have fun or get inspired from buying new gear. I’m simply saying we respect your professional opinion enough to listen to your points, but this one was a little thought sporadic. You basically got impatient and wanted a new camera delivery RIGHT NOW😤. You made too many valid reasons for the c400 to make this video because of a price drop, lol.

[@wjohnson1186]

​@@carlosq00The OG comment you replied to tells people that all they need to do is grab the camera and operate it with your phone as a monitor and "effectively you're up and running". RED cameras have never been that. Effectively, you also just described a GoPro as well. Your point over this whole unscripted rant was to convince people that a price drop makes this the superior camera to get for people. Your title is "RED Just Put Canon On Notice! RED KOMODO X vs Canon C400", while completely ignoring that these cameras are a really geared at two sets of people. REDs have always been cinema focused cameras that require rigging support all around the camera, which on any production would raise the cost of it. Canon is offering a camera that can do a lot of things well, and give greater flexibility to Run n' Gun community, those in broadcast, and the creative film peeps work with less tools.

[@arielshpitzer]

My main is a C70 with the new sigma 18-50, second camera is a C100MK2 that I simply can't sell bacuse I love it so much.

[@carlosq00]

in some ways, I still prefer the image out of the first round of canon cinema cameras over the new look or direction.

[@davidobita9163]

Qn! What camera did you use for this video, is it the black magic cine ff 6k? it has some good color science and skin tone

[@ChadAltDelete]

Great video! I just bought a KX. Can you recommend a good focal reducer? My main lens is the sigma 18-35mm, ty!

[@carlosq00]

Thanks, I don't think the focal reducer can work with that Sigma lens because it is a S35 lens not full frame.

[@scottievee330]

I've seen enough footage from the C400 to make me think my order was just. I am pumped. Super flexible. Done. When all the people that saw and held the C400 said they couldn't believe the price. Really competitive. KX offers less for more. That is why they dropped the price. It's now a hard sell to say the KX was a better value. Many are comparing it to the Burano and saying it offers more than that camera too. Good, overdue days for Canon.

[@carlosq00]

@@scottievee330 the Sony Burano can’t touch the RED KOMODO X I do understand your point and perspective and appreciate the comment

[@yusei151]

@@carlosq00 Can't touch it? Jesus the fanboyism is amazing.

[@theodorereid4406]

With the komodo argument. Im not as incentivized in a event/r&G environment as it doesnt have great autofocus which is my other gripe about using it in these environments. documentaries, music videos and narratives sure but it sorta is overkill in most other situations especially with small/medium size markets. (Likely will be uploading it to youtube or keeping it internal which basically means you arent maximizing the usage of raw or prores formats.) Plus you need lots of additional gear/storage to make it work. C400/C70 all in one situation. Which iI would argue to be the better buy overall. Let me know your thoughts. The focal reducer argument only works if you plan on sticking with non native mounts. Also if you're spending less money. Why buy the komodo or Komodo X in the first place. Honestly the argument is counterintuitive no offense because of the mix of variables of spending less yet you're still spending more to build the Komodo Camera up. All canon cameras is great out of box. Which is drastically supported by your r5c argument. In terms of remote capabilities...Have you seen the R5 mark ii control app? Its ridiculously good! I believe Canon finally caught up. I'm sure Canon C400 will incorporate it into their line up.In terms of the autofocus feature of the komodo. There is no argument. But Komodo for center focusing will work if you plan on keeping things centered for focus. But what about on a gimbal or for moving shots like on a slider. It will not meet the demands. I do not enjoy manual focus. Reason to buy the C400 is to future proof yourself. Sure you might not need it now. But what if client comes up tm and says we need it to hire you. Its better to have something then not. That goes without saying. To assume most of us have wireless transmitter systems is insane especially after your argument is that you're trying to cater to the audience that is trying to stay within a budget xD. I'm sorry friend but that is not convincing who your audience is atm. But it seems you're catering to the one man band kind of crew as it seems you are relating all your points back to your case scenarios. Your style seems very bias nonetheless and using your own methods as an argument cannot speak to majority of the audience. Take a look at this to give me your thoughts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6ebopWPq7aUgsk

[@carlosq00]

I think the C400 will be a very good camera for a lot of people. For me, today, it's not a camera that I need or would help me save time, money, or effort on my projects. If I ended up with one, it would end up replacing the C70, which doesn't need replacing because the C70 for me does everything I throw at it and it does it exceptionally well and really fast without friction. If I ever break my C70, I'll likely replace it with a C400 or the C70 Mark II that is right around the corner.

[@OrangeHouseMedia]

Both are nice cameras but the C400 is a Swiss Army knife.

[@carlosq00]

I think they both are and why the price difference kind of hurts the C400 imo

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

@carlosq00 But no built in NDs, no audio inputs.... is just....can't deal with that nowadays. In that case it's just a glorified mirrorless camera.

[@wxjunkie]

RED doesn’t exist anymore

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

Opinions and preferences will vary depending on the line of work of every person.

[@carlosq00]

Facts

[@TrevorGay]

Man, fantastic video Carlos- super, super helpful. Always appreciate your take!

[@carlosq00]

Glad it was helpful!

[@DreamReleases]

And Canon back slaps RED with the C80

[@carlosq00]

are you reading my mind?

[@MissionaryFilms]

They new CANON LP-E6P BATTERY batteries on the r5c are a game changer. Lasting twice as long.

[@carlosq00]

I need to pick some up

[@Betaphats]

Hahaha I was listening to u in the car and it made me laugh cause that would have been my internal dialogue as well. Talking myself in and out of purchasing a gear.

[@carlosq00]

it happens to me all the time

[@mrshaheedmalik]

It makes me think RED is clearing stock.

[@carlosq00]

no doubt, they likely need to make room for the Nikon mount version that's around the corner.

[@j_g123]

To me as a Canon shooter, colour consistency across multiple variations of cameras is a pipe dream 😂. Wouldn't that just save weeks and weeks of grading time annually

[@carlosq00]

Facts

[@TheSpiritawake]

Great video! As always, you present well-thought-out, informative, and professional arguments. However, in this case, I have to disagree. Aside from the global shutter, the feature set of the Komodo X doesn’t really compare to the C400. While we can’t yet make definitive image quality comparisons without real-world footage, we already know what the C300MK3 delivers. This makes your arguments a bit flawed in my view. You can easily rent out three C400s to a variety of users, and Canon’s C series is known for being durable and adaptable to almost any shooting condition. From a business perspective, it’s a more practical camera-quicker to set up and shoot in any environment at any time. That’s something the Komodo X can’t match. In the long run, the C400 is simply a safer investment.

[@carlosq00]

I can see your perspective and I don't disagree, all valid points. The rental market for me is basically nonexistant.

[@dreschervisuals]

I have a canon focal reducer, it's a bit overhyped. The back focus was an issue on a recent shoot using some primes and the CA consistently is frustrating to work with.

[@carlosq00]

what lenses were you using?

[@dreschervisuals]

@@carlosq00 I’ve had the issue with all dzo vespids , 16-35ii & 24-70ii

[@szihun]

I am a starter but I do not understand something. If I want to use full frame EF lenses and ND filter on same time, it would be easy on C400 but terrible on Komodo X on the field. Nobody use these two things together?

[@LE_GRATIN]

yes you can, you need 4000$ RED ND adapter for EF lenses. it will work. But i am not a starter, shots since 25 years : if you can ( we save a lot of money to keeping our bests lenses, in old mount and adapt them) if you can : don't use any adapter.

[@colorsigma101]

Nikon is clearing the RF mount ! I even suspect the coming Z mount will be even more interesting regarding price and functions ! Also expect some dedicated lenses. Nikon has full potential to build a full cinema ecosystem.

[@carlosq00]

no doubt that is part of their strategy, it would be mine but it also means we all win and benefit!

[@RobertMurrayteknikk7]

How many years will that take to build out? I love the RF mount.

[@CrewCinema66]

Todo esto se debe posiblemente a que ahora Nikon al ser la que decide quiere que sus productos estén al alcance para un publico donde su bolsillo económico no es muy grande...

[@carlosq00]

si

[@queefreak666]

What brand loses their value faster, Blackmagic or Red? We sure as heck know that it's not the Canon

[@A_I_M_E]

Click bait. Red didn’t put canon on notice. Canon didn’t change their price Red dropped their price cause they knew that they were going to loose sales because of the c400.

[@carlosq00]

Click Bait? OK, and from what I am hearing the C400 is not selling as they expected it, and yes, this is an Old School RED move to be market disruptors. No doubt this will affect the C400 sales and likely not in a positive way.

[@creativegreatsvisuals]

@@carlosq00c400 fucked up not doing full xlr like the fx6 they will lower the price now close to the fx6 and under the red Komodo x or lose

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

@@carlosq00I think while they both share some audience and possible buyers, most people that need a RED camera will get it, and most people who needs a C400 will also get that. They are different cameras and, in my opinion, they are orientated to different fields of work. At the end, you just have to choose what makes your life easier, better and gives you more money in return. That’s it.

[@J_M_3350]

I ahe a og Komodo and I'll take the c400 if only for the auto focus.

[@carlosq00]

Yeah if Auto Focus is the deciding factor Canon wins today…

[@ultra_ek]

Very aggressive move by RED/Nikon in terms of price. TBH as a V Raptor 8K VV owner all i want is perfected audio, ND and a sub 5 second boot-up time and the camera is basically a U47 of Cameras. I am starting to think we are at the top end curve of the end of the evolution of the camera tech race. I will def grab a KX. need to seel the OG komodo asap.

[@carlosq00]

Raptor X improved the audio preamps to match KOMODO X but they didn't improve the headphone preamp...i kind of wish they had.

[@ultra_ek]

@@carlosq00 I see, other than those line items I am totally satisfied esp seeing how far we’ve come since the DVX/HVX200/EX3 days lol

[@andynonimuss6298]

And the Pyxis has better colors and skin tones than both.

[@Shah_creates]

Is this true? I own both Canon and Blackmagic

[@philipcooley879]

False. Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing beats cannons color tones. And you can take that too the bank. The c100 Mkii is still a used camera

[@MarcusRFilms]

The C80 enters the chat!

[@carlosq00]

This is how Canon is responding, the C80 looks to be a terrific option. I'm trying to sort out if I want to replace my C70 with the C80...

[@LonzosStudios]

@@carlosq00 why wouldn't you, it's better in every way and you'll only have to spend about 2k after selling you C70

[@Artfulscience1]

Pyxis a motivating factor at all?

[@carlosq00]

That’s another camera that is yet to be available

[@kingkrukgaming]

The C400 has some nice features. The KX on the other hand is way better of a choice for my needs. This camera can do it all, and I can keep it relatively small if I need to. I was going to wait, but at this price point it is a no-brainer.

[@carlosq00]

I agree

[@theodorereid4406]

this is the one man band mentality. Think about getting friends who you can hire together instead of buying 3 c400s

[@carlosq00]

Where i live and my client base as well as who is around who can help are real world situations I can’t resolve

[@PatLealFilms]

Wait for it... 11:30 min mark. //Well at least you can still utilize the full AF abilities of the rf 24-105f2.8 on that Canon you already have.. can save that extra money for something else :)

[@carlosq00]

yes, always working toward keeping more cash in my pocket.

[@crazyKurious]

C400 is a much better camera compared to Red

[@Shah_creates]

Red is still the only company that does true 16-bit Raw. They have a patent on it so no other company can do it. Also, their post and color workflow is unmatched

[@Filmmaker593]

C80

[@carlosq00]

@@Filmmaker593 that’s the real disruptive force

[@renaissancedigital5730]

The RED brand in the cinema world has lost a lot of shine. It's definitely not the camera to own like it was for owner ops 8 years ago. For me at the same price point Canon is just a lot more appealing. A C500 MK2 gives a similar image to the Raptor at half the price used, same with the C400. The C70 against the Komodo isn't as big of a price gap but the C70 is certainly quicker to shoot with unless you really need BNC. Different world now. Sony is behind at this point. They need a C70 and C400 equivalent with compressed RAW.

[@carlosq00]

the C70 is without a doubt easy and fast to operate as a solo shooter.

[@BenEricson]

The issue is that Canon cameras just have no mojo. No sauce. C300ii, C500ii, C70, all kind of the same to me. Yes, the sensors have gotten cleaner, with less noise but you can match those cameras easy in post. It's a clean look, but it has that video look. That being said, I love a no fuss camera. I own the C70 for dumb little jobs, but I would rent a Red Komodo or Arri for something else if shooting something more meaningful. If you're slapping a LUT on either, it probably looks similar, but with nice lenses and a grade, the gap gets larger.

[@renaissancedigital5730]

@@BenEricson I agree, ARRI and RED look more organic.

[@udy0243]

Have we forgot Canon C400 also can shoot in S35 using the same Focus Reducers… same as Komodo!!!

[@carlosq00]

no but why would you want to?

[@LouisLuzuka]

😮

[@kingkrukgaming]

It seems you were on the mark again. Still, I’d choose KOG over C80 and KX over C400.

[@carlosq00]

I may have known this was coming but probably not because legal would kill me.