Red Oktober 2018 Training - VZ52 & AK47 - Stage 1 - Moving Rocks!

[@SinistralRifleman]

I really don’t care what the RO says as long as my hits/impacts are called consistently. Some venues don’t use “hit” because it sounds too close to “high” when ear protection is worn. If an RO with that experience comes to one of these matches they’ll probably still say “impact”. It really doesn’t matter.

[@bigghoss762]

That VZ52/57 is cool, I always kinda wanted one of those. Makes me wish I hadn't sold off my 16" SKS'. But I do have 7 AK pattern rifles. Please include the pistol stage. I want to see how that Tokarev does.

[@MikeDCWeld]

Karl's just _gotta_ be weird. Love it!

[@TheGM-20XX]

SUPERIOR CZECHNOLOGY

[@henry06x]

RED OCTOBER! Thats actually the first match I watched of inrange and got addicted to watching these 2 gun ACM

[@foleymaj]

The penalty for leaving magazines behind is very good and should be part of any match that promotes itself as "practical". In a real world, you are not leaving those behind nor do you really need to do a super uber fast speed reload. That's IPSC stuff.

[@SinistralRifleman]

Practicality totally depends on the format. Retaining partials is unlikely to matter in a civilian or LE defensive shootings. Reloading the gun faster may be even more important when one doesn't have team mates covering them. Retaining partial or empty magazines is far more important in prolonged engagements or military operations. Here its just match rules and it doesn't actually encourage people to retain partials as much as it does to deliberately shoot extra rounds and empty the magazine. I once received a penalty for a partial magazine coming out of my dump pouch while prone; after that whenever possible I just shoot empty rather than doing a tac load to retain a partial.

[@zaqzilla1]

Somehow Karl found a rifle that is more ghetto than Ian's narco AK. lol

[@tlinrin887]

I realize it's a safety concern, but I like the falling cinder block. Shooter must replace cinder block before next shot.

[@sweterollo8951]

Very cool to see the CZ used.

[@trainsbangsandautomobiles824]

I love those VZ52's! I had one in the "real" caliber of 7.62x45mm. Ammo alittle hard to get to its very fun. And yes, almost all of them have the stock crack right at that point, mine was as well. I think I really like them because they just aren't very common, almost unheard of, but are very well made had have a great (M14 style) trigger.

[@blackspike2710]

What's this "impact" nonsense? Just say hit.

[@MikeDCWeld]

Agreed. *Impact* just doesn't sound right.

[@EnkeiTenjin]

Impact is used in actual competition. Here, they are just trying to replicate the atmosphere of comp I guess.

[@MikeDCWeld]

@@EnkeiTenjin not in any of the ones I've seen. I've watched several of the 2-gun matches InRange has posted, both ones run by Karl and ones he and Ian have merely competed in, and they've *_ALWAYS_* said "hit". It's short and concise and easy to get plenty of volume behind. "Impact" could be mistaken for a miss direction and is easier for the shooter to miss entirely.

[@truckcop1]

Not in ANY match I've ever been to.

[@thewaraboo2824]

Technically, at least in artillery terminology, a hit and an impact are *not* the same thing. An impact is just the round landing *somewhere*, not necessarily on target. A hit is the round actually landing on or near the near enough the target to have effect. But hey, it’s their match, their rules.

[@stefanwolf88]

Cool old USSR era wood and steel rifle. Waiting for the RO videos.

[@Dugauntlet]

Glad to see you posting more 2 gun stuff Karl. Can you please post the pistol stage as well? I would love to see it. Great video as always Karl!

[@robertrousseaux1059]

I own a VZ 52. The recoil is straight back because the recoil tube is around the barrel. Pushing the carrier straight back inline with the bore. The trigger is awesome, apparently a copy of the M1 Garand. All though I haven't sat them side beside yet to compare.

[@stelioeffrena1571]

As many others, I would also like to see the Tokarev in action, so including the pistol stage would be great!

[@exlibris3776]

can that guy just please say "hit" and not "impact", its like a whole nother syllable

[@DominusRexDK]

potentially forcefully slows down the shooter. of course if the shooter falls into the "trap" of awaiting RO confirmation. even if they don´t await his confirmation, the shooter still needs to halt for a moment, to compute if the RO was saying something important or just being silly with his impact.

[@u-wot-n8]

Dude must be a PRS guy normally

[@mollymcallister1671]

Aww, I kinda wanted to see Karl working that Tokarev.

[@Sysiphus777]

This is similar to a "Sysiphus" or "Sisyphus" drill. You should create one worthy of the myth, Karl.

[@DarthMayonnaise2652]

Spoiler alert! Nether Sinistral or Karl "hit" any targets in this vid.

[@509Gman]

John Hayward impact! Impact!

[@moosemaimer]

I just bingewatched all the Anvil videos on C&Rsenal, and now seeing the tape on that stock is going to drive me crazy.

[@ryanvargas4889]

My 52 is still in the original 7.62x45, I noticed the converted guns appear to have been arsenal re-refurbished. A shame they had weak stocks. Love these guns!

[@burnsboysaresoldiers]

so how many sks's both pure and bubbafied rifles are brought to red october? and how well do they do?

[@Jacob-un3ql]

Man that VZ52 is super cool, I'll have to keep my eye out for one now.

[@LakaiGirlAppsSkill]

I like seeing SR in these videos cool dude.

[@justinhansen7384]

I had VZ52/57. Really cool rifle, but the SKS balances better and is easier to field strip.

[@maniakaz]

As someone who shot this match.. Russel made that stage look much easier than I remember it. There were also lots of grumblings about safety when we ran that stage....

[@InrangeTv]

There is no safety issue with this stage.

[@maniakaz]

I'm just telling you what was happening during the stage when I was there. The "grumblings" were around people who tried (or wanted to) use their sling. I agree though, once you gave up on the sling idea it was easy to keep the rifle pointed down range.

[@petesheppard1709]

It appeared to me the mag changes is what held Karl back, not the going prone. Also, to minimize risk of breaking 180 (it looked on the video like you did, once), wouldn't holding the rifle with your left hand, at the balance as you ran back have been easier?

[@commander31able60]

tape not blue - 0/10

[@DiggingForFacts]

Was gonna say that. The lack of isolenta disturbs me

[@sqike001ton]

This isnt fallout asXas

[@commander31able60]

@@sqike001ton his M1 Garand broke my game, somehow. had to get rid of it without even having seen the gun. but yea blue tape ftw.

[@thewaraboo2824]

It’s a bit late, but do you think they’d let me bring my Chinese 7.62x39 Arisaka? I mean, gotta make those Mosin users at least fight for last place right?

[@TheBiggestIron]

It's a comie modified gun so I don't see why not. But of course your not expecting to win.

[@sirboomsalot4902]

Dang, just bring that for the cool factor lol. I’d love a 7.62x39 Type 38, you get the amazing action of the Arisakas paired with ammo you can actually find lol

[@kenhelmers2603]

Thanks Guys!

[@wolf_hound]

You should still include the pistol stage.

[@burnsboysaresoldiers]

the vz52/57 definitely has a german ww2 vibe. with the k98 looking stock and the like. kinda reminds me of a g43

[@dakaptan6601]

VZ52/57 and a tok! all the hipsters are salivating LOL

[@aries_9130]

Why are people so upset about the RO saying "impact" instead of "hit"? Come on..

[@wiryone1]

.rzr Because it is the Internet and people have nothing better to do then nitpick ad nauseam. They could be inspired to go out and shoot a match of their own. Instead they prefer to pontificate about “issues” they think important when they are not.

[@kevinbooth2043]

Besides being able to remove the mags standard any benefit over an sks? Once I get a firing pin spring I want to try shooting a match with it never have before but I have all the other gear needed but I suspect I'll be wanting to trade my .45 for a 9mm.

[@Swarm509]

I wonder if you could around the no dump pouch and penalty from dropping a mag with the old method of shoving the mag into your partly open smock (the belt should stop the mag from falling on the ground) would work. Of course if when moving around they fall out you are screwed. Might be a bit gamer though.

[@SafetyProMalta]

Karl's method most accurately stuck to Warsaw pact doctrine.

[@AWPtical800]

Barrel barricades... Barrelcades? Also the RO using "impact" instead of "hit" rustles my jimmies.

[@HauptgefreiterB]

Karl was off for a rocky start in this match.

[@lhart3183]

We want the pistol stage!

[@CheshireTomcat68]

Is Sarah Noir the Alan Smithee of InRange?

[@aghostbro]

"Capitalist rock, man!"

[@Jetmech145]

Just say "hit" like every one else.

[@alexanderm3504]

144p makes me believe we are in the 80's lol

[@19Koty96]

vz.52? Whoa, that's a rarity...

[@nates9536]

Knew the VZ was gonna be harsh when the "gamer" AK was struggling

[@robertspickler1385]

Had a sighting acquisition problems with my Ak do to small rear sight V notch, used a triangular file to open up a little bit much better sighting picture

[@akompsupport]

If Karl knew he was going to go prone why not have some knee and elbow pads?

[@briarus1000]

who picked out the rocks??? the one seemed a little big one-handed.

[@knightmarex13]

But why put the rocks in a tire? A wooden pallet that they could fall off would be better....

[@Winchester7734]

Vz52!

[@theredirishgiant]

Hiphap! Hiphap! Hiphap!

[@esper6119]

Ohhh, he's saying 'Impact'. I thought he was shouting 'Get back!' like, what the shit

[@sewing1243]

Is anyone else NOT seeing this video appear in their notification list (posting this comment 6 hours after the video was posted)? I have the little bell icon clicked so I'm supposed to be notified of all new InRangeTV content. So is it a youtube glitch or just youtube pulling their usual garbage with firearm related material?

[@InrangeTv]

KZbin.

[@MikeKatsar]

So I've just started watching them again after a while, can someone fill me in on their "no paint" policy?

[@SinistralRifleman]

If you paint targets at all, some people will have freshly painted targets (making the stage easier), and others will have shot up targets (making the stage harder). It is impractical to paint targets for each shooter. Thus not painting them at all prevents any difference in shooting challenge (its hard for everyone).

[@MikeKatsar]

@@SinistralRifleman That's what I was thinking it was, really the only thought that made sense. Thanks for clearing it up, and good luck at RO this year

[@evoltnvii]

Please please please include the pistol stage.

[@InrangeTv]

Will do.

[@DooxTrebucket]

Why is there a penalty on dropping partially empty mags? Is there a safety concern?

[@foleymaj]

Because you wouldn't do that in a real world combat scenario. In fact, you wouldn't even drop empty mags.

[@d4ngru5h83]

I'm guessing its more if you drop it in the 'real world' you've wasted ammo, and since this is a practical match it's meant to be as close as possible to 'real world'.

[@genericpersonx333]

Indeed, as bullets are what actually are the dangerous component of firearms, one likes to ensure that as few bullets as possible are wandering unloved on the range and it also eliminates that nasty problem of someone accidentally stepping on a magazine, leaving you with a crushed magazine with live ammunition that may not appreciate your efforts to extricate it from its tomb; You can't just throw those in the garbage like an empty one. Not a huge safety issue, but as it is only hurts a few power-gaming competitors' scores, it is a worthwhile one.

[@davidbotkin6032]

There are two basic scenarios for firearms based combat: 1. Self Defense in peace time. 2. Battlefield Combat in war. In the first example, you can dump mags, whatever. No logistical concerns really apply. In the second example, if you treat your mags as disposable items you might just end up regretting this once you get into your 10th firefight. Because having only one mag sucks. Don't assume the Brown Truck of Happiness can always bring you new stuff. So if you are replicating a more battlefield type scenario then hanging onto mags is a Good Thing. And yes, this is real world. Some militaries (New Zealand for example) make their men tie off their mags in combat zones to help eliminate magazine loss. This is also done to prevent giving supplies to the enemy.

[@SinistralRifleman]

Because this is a combatives oriented match, leaving rounds behind is regarded as bad. What the rule does in practice is encourages people to shoot empty and not worry about retaining completely empty magazines.

[@Chezeehat]

Get a dump pouch / satchel and put your stripper clips in that Karl :) certainly help in a prone position

[@Dja05]

Why not go full Hipster and bring a sks? Detachable magazines are for lazy people.

[@TheBiggestIron]

No full hipster is a Rasheed

[@keithhollar4380]

What's with the RO saying "impact" rather than the traditional "hit"?

[@gusbunger6494]

barrelcade

[@akompsupport]

NIce seeing a Zhukov stock!

[@godzilla1463]

Can't wait to see the TT33. I adore these commie gun vids!

[@Kbaker45862]

What’s wrong with painting Target?

[@legalboy71]

There's nothing wrong with painting the targets. More importantly, there is nothing wrong with not painting them. Since few militaries, thugs, or animals paint themselves colors that contrast well with their surroundings not painting is more realistic though.

[@SinistralRifleman]

If you paint targets some people end up with fresh paint and others with none. Not painting at all avoids the inconsistency argument.

[@SinistralRifleman]

Not practical on 100+ yard rifle stages. Even on 50 yard stages it takes too long.

[@wallmunky503]

impact

[@noplix7675]

Someone else here not getting a notification?

[@remko1238]

Russel the vegan ...? No way 🥩man

[@SinistralRifleman]

remko spittel uh what? Definitely not a Vegan

[@omanimitokanimi7976]

Phagan, the vegan; what's the difference? :)

[@remko1238]

Omanimi Tokanimi - no difference,, i think my ears are getting old 😣

[@UnclePutte]

Oktoberfeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-

[@blackbird_actual]

I know it's fun to use high speed lingo man, but just say "hit" please...

[@seanlukew7499]

Need CZ52 pistol XD

[@RalphReagan]

I like the sks

[@jdoe265]

Sit on the couch and eat potato chips guy.

[@SinistralRifleman]

J Doe Still beating all the Internet shit talkers and most of the field. Have a nice day

[@nealthedestroyer1]

Post your match score. We'll wait.

[@lesio80]

Czechoslovak! The proper form od Czechoslovak and not Czechoslovakian. You lads are doing a great job but please pay attention to the relevant details. It's like Greeks and not Greecians.

[@heckpupper9532]

Firstest!

[@sb-ant6457]

I second that

[@ShaDOWDoG667]

With the Mostest?

[@skylerbulford8927]

*impact*