Red Pill, Bad Boys & Evolutionary Psychology - Dr Diana Fleischman

[@triggerpod]

Did you enjoy our interview with Dr Fleischman? What else should we discuss with her next time?

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

This is awesome. Dr. Fleischman is ferociously intelligent.

[@conormccammon1587]

Since there are a lot of problems in human life that stem from weird evolutionary psychology, next time ask her about gene editing as a tool for changing human nature in a more positive direction.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

+Conor McCammon Who gets to decide what needs to be changed? What if the intersectional feminist activists wield the knife?

[@theawecabinet]

The majority of death and suffering is perpetrated by other animals on other animals. Also if humans stopped eating meat there would be no chickens or cows or pigs. They cannot survive in the wild. And even if they could, they would get eaten by predators. And men are driven to success, high earnings and status because WOMEN DEMEND THIS OF MEN. Women always look for men of equal or higher status and wealth (hypergamy). Very few women are prepared to support a man financially. Men have to be high earners for women to consider them as mates.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

+theawecabinet Yeah that's one area I have little agreement with her. Veganism is a fool's errand. Reducing *unnecessary* suffering is an admirable goal, but existence itself is suffering, and like you said, raw nature is red in tooth and claw. Trying to stop that is ridiculous, up to and including our desire to eat meat.

[@npcla1]

How good is it when you listen to someone who actually knows what they're talking about and can articulate it this well. I could listen all day. Diana is awesome.

[@Bommelmensch]

14:45 Their look after she said:"Romance novels are the best selling books on the planet". Priceless!

[@alistairkinnear8737]

Because of femaIe neurosis about fucking.

[@trainerdisability]

@@alistairkinnear8737 or maybe their dreaming of something their not getting

[@SuperTonyony]

@@trainerdisability *they're

[@danpope3812]

It's really cool to see adults giggle like little school kids and still be able to have a deep convocation. Fantastic talk.

[@gwho]

yes!

[@jennamarie2481]

I freaking LOVE hearing women like her talk. I struggle to find women that I genuinely look up to or would take advice from. I'd take advice from her. I hope to see women with minds like hers having podcasts. Any recommendations welcome!!

[@coltont3613]

Heather Heying comes to mind if you're looking for evolutionary thinkers who are in the public space. Lots of clever women around, depends on what you're looking for

[@ramyabhat4282]

Couldn’t agree more.. she is so smart and fun to listen to.

[@hanskloss7726]

I have impression that Jordan Peterson was forced or felt forced to take action and he was successful benefitting from the aggression against him. You coukd see that in backlash Cathie Newman got and traction he hot afterwards . Bret Weinstein was certainly forced to go public with his ideas or go down in silence. Not sure about others but I surely appreciate the result. This does not apply to lots of other people who bent over. Some get lucky?

[@davidanderson9664]

Yes. Both are fairly aggressive in defending their positions and both come from pretty solid arguments (though Jordan's religious and Jungian garbage gets on my nerves.) Bret rulz. As you note, both didn't start out wanting or expecting fame.

[@Captain_MonsterFart]

Peterson didn't start out wanting fame, but when it came he clearly saw how much money there is to be made while getting his message out. He made hay while the sun shined. At a huge personal cost, I should think.

[@idkwhattodo6758]

Loved the talk. She's really funny and seriously intelligent at the same time

[@captainmaim]

and cute!

[@zitools]

and a cassandra about social credit scores.

[@58frascatti]

Really interesting interview. Could not tell if Dr. Fleischman was suggesting that Dr. Peterson’s prime motivation is to gain fame (or notoriety perhaps). It was a rather ambiguous remark, so I am inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. A discussion between her, Peterson, Heather Heying, Eric and Bret Weinstein, Camille Paglia (or any combination of those) would be dynamite! It would be interesting to see how all those assertive, knowledgeable people would interact.

[@joech1065]

She didn't say anything about his motivation. She said that the way he talks enables him to be popular. This is a very different remark. For example, as a logical analog of this (not talking about Peterson), a missionary's goal might not be to fool people, but being a successful missionary presumes fooling people. I totally agree with her. The same thing that makes Peterson so effective at gathering audience and mobilizing opinion is the same thing that makes him a terrible intellectual: he does charismatic demagoguery rather than nuanced science; in fact - he almost never cites any studies and likes to make unfalsifable statements, even in his courses.

Right, so well continue let jews do their fake science propaganda (save for Peterson who may be different) and then when everybody we'll realise the crap mistake this propaganda is and look at who's responsible who do you think people are going to blame, rightfully?

[@alistairkinnear8737]

Peterson's motivation was pureIY survivaI...at first.

[@seanmoran6510]

Sharon Hawkins Would say it was the Sjw mob that pushed Jordan Peterson into the limelight. Otherwise he’d still be a relatively obscure clinician going about his business He deals in Archetypical Personality Traits from a Jungian perspective where as this interviewer is on a completely different branch of Psychology I find both fields very interesting Ps he has talked with Camille, Bret and his brother not sure about Heather , all together would be interesting to listen too Ps who was cringeworthy Cathy or Jordan ? Would be interesting to know Who decides what’s sentient? Vegan cheese is disgusting Eat less across the board we eat and produce far to much food in the Western world

[@evanroberts2771]

She's jealous that she can't make the same impact that he has, especially since she's 'chosen'.

[@jontycolvin3777]

Excellent guys, in UK on lockdown n your back catalogue (amongst other things) is helping to save my ‘sanity’. By the by, am female, centre left n vegan n laughed out loud whilst watching, so, there is hope for all. Keep up the good work! x

[@gg_rider]

Of the many interesting points, I noticed after 36:00 Diana mentioned colonizing the galaxy. In other words, sending out groups of humans as a new colony on a planet that could support human life. I saw a "space travel intersectional feminism" panel whose members, one credentialed woman in particular, took time to *reject* the argument about *colonizing space* .. based on negative connotations about White Western Colonization of non-white continents (a relatively brief period of human existence) .. and as if there were no Chinese and Zulu and Arab-Muslim and Mongols and so many other colonizers and empires. So the space program should never "colonize space". We should do cool things like that but use different emotionally and culturally sensitive language to describe these plans. That to me is the difference between someone who cares about group justice within human society and across human societies, contrasted with the sarcastic term "Social Justice Warrior" which describes the same passions and compassion but raised to a level of obsession and to a great degree of irrational and even dishonest assertions.

[@MavenPolitic]

Halfway through this, much better than expected. Keep up the great work guys!

[@stevenweber144]

Your guest was great. Funny and intelligent, I could listen to her all day.

[@mikepinkerton5496]

I happened upon this video researching evolutionary psychology. What caught my attention was the introductory remark about YouTubbers arguing about things they know nothing about. That is spot on. The amount of sheer ignorance on display is stunning. This channel appears to be an exception. Thank you.

[@davyprendergast82]

instant subscribe after hearing your opening line about being bored of people arguing on the internet about stuff they know nothing about (and I was one of those guys)

[@robertmarshall2502]

Fantastic articulate guest. Very interesting to hear her speak about how she thinks she gets more leeway to speak than some other people. It was very refreshing to have someone speak candidly and so openly with so much humour without fear of repercussion.

[@justanotherfella4585]

Maybe this says more about me than I’m intending but this episode did the BBC thing (you know, entertain, inform, educate ((is it?)) for me. I’m usually here for the political stuff so this guest was a bit of a surprise. Best episode yet.

[@etc6615]

I disagree with her when she suggested that Jordan Peterson became famous because he intentionally didn’t talk in a more nuanced way for the purpose of being famous. ( i maybe wrong but this is what i heard in what she said.) The opposite is often the case. When you don’t talk in a nuanced way, you will be more misunderstood and thus possibly disregarded, invalidated or objected to. Jordan Peterson have said a lot of things that he could have said in a better way that riled others to vehemently object to him. As she suggested.. Certainly this could as a result arguably have given him notoriety that made him relatively ‘famous’. But my sense is by talking intentionally in a less nuanced way just for the purpose of being misunderstood n thus famous, he would be famous or infamous in this case, maybe only with 15 minutes of fame. Then people will move on to other personalities. Because he expertly articulated many complex topics which resonated with a lot of people is what made him famous in spite of the fewer times he wasn’t as nuanced as he was in many many many other circumstances. ✌️

[@risdon34]

Agreed. I've always felt Peterson boiled a topic down to a sound bite to demonstrate he had successfully wrangled the complexity. And you're right, that tends to galvanise!

[@marcoalessandro2034]

No. He has a particular personality trait combination that means...he frankly doesn't give a flying hoot what anyone thinks of him. And his compassion is so high that he can cry while public speaking ( he doesn't care what you think...i.e. a complete refusal to be swayed by any stigma you throw at him )

[@squatch545]

WTF? Lobster Boy is the epitome of lack of nuance. And he's already admitted he has "found a way to moneitize SJWs". So yes, he IS using lack of nuance for personal advancement, especially when he makes $60,000 month on Patreon.

[@letsgosurfing1786]

I don't think she really cares. Just put in the position to respond.

[@orbojunglist]

@@squatch545 Humorously pointing out the streisand effect is now admission of life's work being bullshit, all a 4d chess-like ploy to monetise stupid people doing stupid things to stop stupid people getting into groups and talking about what we can do about being so stupid.

[@OZZIESPOCK]

Dr Fleischman is captivating. Fascinating, and her comments make so much sense. I suspect the protestant/catholic thing is due to the Tudors. My dad (from Birmingham) dealt with folks in the Glasgow office, and was bemused by the comments about one of the other guys being catholic (as though this was something to beware of).

[@seansteel328]

FF's haircut hasn't aged well

[@tasicka1000]

A really, really excellent interview! I enjoyed every minute of it. Dr. Diana Fleischman is so knowledgeable and well-spoken.

[@PhilBaird1]

You guys are brilliant with your mix of seriousness and humour (Francis cracks me up) while your guest is fascinating. Great show.

[@Captain_MonsterFart]

Chasing the 'bad boy" is an example of a female version of risk taking, in my opinion.

[@dcodework2421]

Never thought of it that way, very interesting!.

[@stephenparry6811]

chasing the serial killer would be, but chasing the bad boy is a defense/protection mechanism, i can see where you are coming from but the question is where is the actual "risk"

[@dat581]

@@stephenparry6811 The risk is in how the bad boy behaves after she catches him. The woman will want to civilise him and get her claws into him. When this does not work and he cheats on her or just leaves her she is left on her own with the possibility of being pregnant to him.

[@stephenparry6811]

@@dat581 but the "desire" to tether a bad boy is s defense mechanism whereby the female controls "might" against the other external forces that threaten her

[@dat581]

Stephen Parry Intestingly both modern life and personal experience tells them its a bad idea but they do it anyway!

[@misterhuman]

Truly dazzling wit and insights. And an expert in human behavior admitting to the existence of female shit-tests?! And she’s an obviously egalitarian woman?! My world just thrillingly tilted a bit on its axis. Thank you, thank you, Dr. Fleischman. And thank you gentlemen for introducing me. Subscribed to all.

[@sinemetu83]

Thank you for this wonderful talk!

[@brucefullwood]

But Diana, there's a valid evolutionary reason that "stay at home dad" isn't a high status occupation and there's an evolutionary reason it never will be. The Marginal Utility of the Male is far, far lower in such an occupation than the Marginal Utility of the Male in say, the role of computer programmer or home builder. Men attend to the things needed by women that if women were to pursue, would either put them in danger or detract from their role as primary caregiver. I trust I don't need to explain to an evolutionary psychologist why women have the role as primary caregiver. Women will never select such a thing. There's a wee bit of your postmodern feminist poking through your mantle of scientist, Diana.

[@jtrastan4607]

Status is not malleable! It's in the hind brain.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@jtrastan4607 It's lobsters all the way down!

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

Yeah, she donned the social constructionist hat for that one.

[@MrRichiban]

I think you're right but I also don't think that contradicts her point. If you look back at the interview she basically says "If being a stay-at-home dad was a high-status position then more men would do it", which I think we can all agree on.

[@MaxPowers2.0]

Wow the point she makes at 14:19 really resonates and connects a lot of dots.

[@christopherfisher5155]

The underlying philosophy of the "Redpill" is simply one of uncomfortable but liberating truth vs comfortable ignorance but subjugation. All of the variations are subjective though.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

Yes ive never assumed it was merely about men's rights, but the whole neo-marxist project of undermining science, capitalism and western enlightenment values.

[@toddknott135]

Many interesting points covered here. Easily the most interesting was the issue of a man being able to openly discuss the same subjects that she covers; she was slow to respond, but did finally admit that the answer is no.

[@adamburke1088]

Another great interview. I'm starting to recommend you guys!

[@oceanaoushn8803]

51:03 Frances: "I just swim to and fro. I don't know what I am any more " 😅

[@hughkelly9073]

She’s so attractive and so smart. She’s so good at listening and waiting to say what she intends to say.

[@jamesbirch5226]

Like your format guys

[@cecilianorris4449]

I cant say I agree with her on everything, but I found the interview informative and I learned quite a few new things. So, all in all it was worth the watch.

[@antonchigurh4829]

What an attractive,and intelligent Women,,enjoyed much!!!

[@tootstoyou1]

Francis looks SO MUCH BETTER in 2023

[@name-vi6fs]

"Obviously everyone knows this, from being alive." 🤣

[@isnow8278]

I would like to see this woman and Jared Taylor have a long conversation

[@mrawesome2742]

BAN ME🏴‍☠️ everybody is scared to debate Jared Taylor because they know his logic is impeccable.

[@theawecabinet]

How do you disable vocal fry? Is there a setting somewhere?

[@dfleischman]

theawecabinet LOL 😂

[@davidanderson9664]

Indeed. I think it is more a age dependent, millennial (or just young women since the 80s) disease. She isn't TOO bad tho. D.

[@wonbadood8243]

Sooo! Unfortunately for now, We don't. Any one who talks like that is just boring.

[@AlbertCloete]

I love listening her. So interesting.

[@grenvillephillips6998]

Becoming a vegan seems like an ideal way of defining one's out-group in virtuous terms.

[@conormccammon1587]

Awesome interview. Dr Fleischman is great! If you wanted a really interesting guest on, consider the philosopher David Pearce. He's interested in effective altruism and evolutionary psychology, but he's a transhumanist that thinks we should genetically edit sentient life towards less suffering!

[@singmundfreud]

I second that motion! David Pearce is extremely interesting and coherent.

[@eggmunkee]

There's no shortage of wishful Dr. Frankensteins, ready to tinker with other people's insides on a societal scale. I wonder if there is a psychological disorder behind social engineering delusions.

[@liarwithagun]

Eggmunkee N Social engineering doesn't work well because of human nature. If you change human nature you could do social engineering. And eventually some nation will do that. Now the question is if we should, how we should, or how to combat that happening. Personally I see it as inevitable, so we should just figure out a way where we don't end up in a distopian nightmare.

[@1974alancampbell]

Eugenics you mean? Not the Earlier primitive kind, like deleting the undesirable Gene's by murdering people.

[@vonroretz3307]

Catholic’s in England were discriminated against because they were under punitive laws for over 200 years, meaning they were disadvantaged, hence they were a bad choice in terms of the “base advantageous drive” to associate with, never mind breed with, if you were Protestant. This had a long hangover after official emancipation. Even though there’ve always been high status catholic’s such as the Dukes of Norfolk, they were a minority who could afford the “recusancy” fines.

[@skltr5177]

you could reduce a whole lot of suffering by stopping halal killing practicies

[@CosmicClaire99]

Exactly what I say to a vegan I know who gives talks on veganism and goes on vegan protests. I think the trouble is that calling out halal practices also implicitly calls out an, er... certain demographic, towards whom vegans and feminists are prone to offer submission and obeisance.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

You could reduce more, by removing the intire abrahamic moral zeitgeist from the first world. Not just the truck rushers.

[@michelefox9539]

@@CosmicClaire99 Or you could stop using other animals and accord them moral worth.

[@CosmicClaire99]

@@michelefox9539 We have culled animals for hundreds of thousands of years and become adapted to the food they provide. We are a predator that keeps their herd strong. They need us to do this. If we hadn't eaten meat then we would have remained apes in the trees. Animals do not have the same moral worth as humans.

[@philominakilgour2607]

Cosmic Claire A vegan is against the killing of an animal full stop. Whether or not there is stunning is irrelevant if you believe animals should not be killed for unnecessary purposes. Otherwise, people would water down the vegan message to one of welfare which is unhelpful for the vegan cause.

[@austinm419]

This was fantastic. Diana is a great wealth of knowledge and interesting conversation.

[@ff6173]

great guest

[@shalyfemusic]

Ikr. Smart, Funny, and Stunning

[@Ronaldus81]

Never heard of her, but really enjoyed the conversation! The remark that Peterson, Weinstein, Harris etc. do much better with the pushback than without was especially enlightening.

[@squatch545]

Did your lighting guy quit?

[@willbfreed]

She's great!

[@Peteruspl]

That was a damn fine interview.

[@alongfortheride84]

HOLY FUCK I want to date this woman. I mean, jesus christ! She KNOWS what shit is actually like. And also, HOLY FUCK this video destroys the awful mainstream, fairly "feminist", bullshit, psudo-psychological narrative about human interactions and culture in general. Thankyou Diana, and thankyou evolutionary psychology for actually providing useful information about how men and women and race & race can get along better.

[@sheep83]

Came for the thumbnail (not like that you filthy beast), stayed for the intellect and insight. Bravo all involved.

[@cmojo68]

Maybe her memory is not that good but Peterson never sought "fame and fortune". He came under fire for doing his job [not unlike Brett and Heather] and was attacked by activists. He spoke out in defence of himself and his career was catapulted into the public eye. His refusal to kowtow to Bill C-16 was then instrumental in creating a career he never asked for.

[@cmojo68]

Maybe it's just a case of projection. I've seen this woman appearing on more podcasts than Joe Rogan, lately. I think she may be pushing her own barrow, seeking notoriety in the wake of greatness, whilst capitalising on her self-mentioned advantages of being a female, poc. Maybe she isn't eating enough meat and her cognitive skills are waning. Any evolutionist worth their salt, couldn't simultaneously be a sentimentalist ...er, sentientist, could they? Seriously? All life deserves respect. Even if you can't relate to it. It's not wise, to discriminate by "othering".

[@ac5923]

Good work guys

[@oc-wo5we]

Does anyone know which researcher she is referring to at 31:17?

[@oc-wo5we]

Not exactly how she mentions it, but I found a very similar article 'Racism and the Empathy for Pain on Our Skin' it seems theyve conducted the experiment on different races, whereas I initially assumed they just used caucasians. I'm not sure if that's the one she's talking about but it's very similar, any help would be appreciated. I'll leave the citation. Forgiarini M, Gallucci M, Maravita A. Racism and the empathy for pain on our skin. Front Psychol. 2011 May 23;2:108. doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2011.00108. PMID: 21687466; PMCID: PMC3108582.

[@WhizzingFish12]

I may be the only one out here with this position, but the whole "veganism is more ethical" thing is absurd. Most people have no idea how many creatures are destroyed through agricultural practices. Worms, insects, spiders, mice, birds, snakes, etc in huge numbers for every acre farmed. I have a small farm and grow most of my own food, including pastured meat. I work hard to minimize my impact on the ecosystem and my fields teem with life, both natural and domesticated. I raise chickens for eggs as well. My cows, pigs; and chickens live awesome lives! Also, I did appreciate her honesty re women and the double standards out there. I'm not anti women at all (I'm not anti anyone) but they have all the behavioral pros and cons that men do - just expressed differently.

[@strangetranceoffaith]

That's true you have had anecdotal evidence where women say they have been discriminated against and no man has ever been discriminated against in the workplace and never by a woman and when men do talk about being discriminated against everyone wants to hear about it.

[@beardedraven7285]

Did she say her study was showing men porn and then asking them to imagine disgusting sexual acts but for the women in the study she "showed" them pictures of non sexual disgusting things? How is that comparable?

[@navtektv]

Will agree with the nuance thing on a personal level. Whenever i feel the need to comment on a video I usually take full advantage of the no character limit to make my position on a subject very clear. I don't do one liners or quipy jokes if I'm looking to talk about a serious topic. And it sure doesn't get any traction. There's a few that get more than a few likes but most people do not engage with long winded posts talking about each an every position somone has. Which is why Tiktok is so successful, I would assume. Meanwhile a flippant jokey comment I made over a year ago on a robotic prosthetic hand video is my most liked and replied comment everywhere, it still gets likes and responses every other week or so.

[@stephenmontague6930]

What did you say about robotic prosthetic hands?

[@navtektv]

@@stephenmontague6930 a lady lost her arm due to a rabid racoon attack and they were giving her a prototype prosthetic arm that looked cool as hell. I said "Don't give it realistic skin, looks cooler without it." And for some reason it blew up. Meanwhile underneath it I wrote another comment talking about the tech and stuff. A little longet and meandering and it has no acknowledgement. People like short, bite sized interactions I guess.

[@stephenmontague6930]

​@@navtektv You gave strong advice with a reason in 9 words (almost like poetry) for the robotic arm, then waited for others to speak. Here we are, us viewers like guests, sitting around a camp fire listening to master storytellers - maybe it's simply not the time or place, for most, to start a long conversation in writing. It's true, though, that wonderful comments can go unnoticed. Good luck~

[@uberultrametamega946]

At about 20 minutes Kisses says that he is not a huge fan of Jordan Peterson. I am a bit surprised to hear this. I hope he elaborates on his feelings about Peterson.

[@shinraholdings7281]

Super interesting.

[@NaturalNeuron]

Its interesting to hear a feminist evolutionary psychologist; it must be hard to reconcile social factors that dominate feminism with the biological factors associated with the evolution perspective.

[@TheInes5]

I think it’s really not. Original feminism was basically women saying don’t treat me like shit or like a second class citizen and give me equal opportunity. I don’t know how you’d have to reconcile that with biology. The fact that part of the movement spiralled into this male bashing non common sense „feminism“ in the West still doesn’t discredit the original movement.

[@roochina]

I find her argument about the cows and chickens suffering the same and that their lives should mean the same to us quite unintelligent on many levels, to be honest.. without going into details of why, the fact that many vegetarians are happy to supplement their diets with some fish and not veals is a proof for the fallacy of her quantitative assessment.

[@Miam_miam_la_gauffre]

I don't find the "not killing animals" argument overall not convincing really. It's just a part of nature, we prey on weaker animal that's just the way. You won't ask a lion to stop eating gazelle because they are cute.

[@tifawt3736]

@@Miam_miam_la_gauffre And you’re not a lion. Both of you aren’t remotely intelligent 😂

[@Miam_miam_la_gauffre]

@@tifawt3736 almost funny

[@asperganoid]

Great! Robert Wright interview brought me here

[@jeanetteb2347]

I enjoy it very much.

[@mw7675]

Okay so the gender pay gap is down to choices. I don't agree for a variety of reasons but I can see why this conclusion was drawn in this scenario. But here is something no one acknowledged: Why are "more feminine" jobs/fields of interest equated with less $ to begin with? If both sexes have different roles in society then both are needed for society to function. Why is one sex's role considered less valuable in $?

[@cavewebster5881]

Great stuff, dudes - although I would be really interested to hear her full thoughts on a full viewing of the Peterson/Newman interview :)

[@markkavanagh7377]

More please!!! great speaker, great mind.

[@petermathieson5692]

I was disappointed with the exchange where the interviewee said that most of the male/female wage gap came down to choices, to which Konstantin responded that he knew of cases when women claimed to have been discriminated against because they were female. Fair enough, that sometimes still happens... but what about a problem far - vastly - more pervasive, namely institutional sexism. Here in Canada, and in most of the Western world, affirmative action hiring policies give preference to any candidate who meets minimum job requirements AND qualifies on one or more of the favoured social justice categories. The inevitable result: white males are shuffled to the back of the line, being hired ONLY IF other candidates cannot be found. This doesn't happen in some isolated cases but not in others. It happens in all cases. It is a matter of policy and practice. It is systemic. This happens at the entry level and at each successive promotional level. People are judged not on the content of their character, but on the basis of belonging to a favoured group, and white males, not belonging to one of those groups, are shuffled to the back of the bus. In the US, 6 out of 10 black college graduates work in the public sector versus 2 of 10 "whites" an accident? Hardly. It's just on example, among many, of systemic racism and sexism.

[@hugomaritz692]

That was great!

[@marcoalessandro2034]

the chicken death versus cow death is a good point and it is a buddhist argument...but, to raise a chicken costs next to nothing ( compare costs of all your pet cats and dogs , for instance...). and you deprive the poor of vital food security ( actually it is health security, because the hapless chicken is an insurance against illness or sudden child fever or weakness due to infection or what not, and you elderly grandma's life can be extended by a monthly broth...) and all the while hens give up eggs for quiche and eggnog, etc. The point is to reduce meat eating to once a week or so, i think

[@henne2k]

The woman of my dreams 😊😎

[@claraveras5070]

I am Brazilian and washing babies and small kids in mineral water is rather common and easy to explain. My mother did it to us and I did to my oldest kid too. The reason is that tap water is not clean in some parts of the country. And Brazilians never drink water straight out of the tap.

[@vladvale]

BS

[@theartofintegralbeing]

I think I am in love! Superb interview, funny, intelligent. And keep up the great podcast Francis and Konstantin, 谢谢！ 🙏

[@Jasperyeahhh]

This was great, lads. Also, Diana is excellent!

[@llengsuch3426]

True story: when I was sixteen, I was walking to school. And as always, I was 20 minutes late, so all the other kids had already gone. A woman in her thirties, who I had never seen, pulled up in her car and offered me a lift. I was instantly suspicious (even girls my own age didn't come on to me, after all), so I declined the offer. I told my mates about it and they all thought I had done the right thing in refusing the lift. "You would probably have ended up getting bummed by her black boyfriend" was the general consensus. So there ya go - evolutionary survival instinct, in action!

[@avengemybreath3084]

A woman like this makes me wish I were younger, better looking, and more successful.

[@Dadecorban]

Well I just found out why my brother does so good with women from broken family shit backgrounds.

[@TimoNaaro]

This was really awsome eye opening interview!:O

[@xhaltsalute]

I am an omnivore as most of humankind evolved. I don’t want to give up meat because I don’t have an issue about animal slaughter and I love animal protein. I also believe that plants don’t like to be heated to cellular explosion or die by molar grinding. Also plants have such a hard time running away. So to solve the dilemmas I maintain my omnivorous heritage.

[@sephus99]

When "rejecting all of someone's ideas because of one idea you're intolerant of" came up you should have pulled it back to beginning by asking if that's related to disgust. I enjoy all these interviews. Thanks for doing them.

[@iga279]

Great Interview, and a very wise and charming interviewee! Thank you guys for restoring my faith in female wisdom. Ha ha ha ha. (no kidding this time).

[@michelefox9539]

One of the issues I have with the 'effective altruism' movement where it relates to sentient use is that it entirely overlooks Animal Rights, their moral right not to be commodified per se. Another, is methods of selection of 'most effective' charities - either subjective or driven by consideration of profits in most instances. Often the approving body has a direct relationship with the recipient. There is no question in my mind that donations are better directed to prevention of blindness, but dogs should not be bred to be used in any scenario. (Or indeed, any other sentient being.)

[@MortarGuyX]

But aren't chickens vastly superior to cows in calorie in/out equations?

[@ridesharegold6659]

not to mention vastly lower in methane production.

[@CosmicClaire99]

They also have much smaller brains and are further away from us on the phylogenetic tree of life. I believe there is a moral obligation to treat those creatures closer to oneself with greater compassion than those more distant.

[@ytyt3922]

RideShareGold that’s an entirely separate issue though, irrelevant to the point being made

[@albertomoreno9795]

Patrice O' Neal cultivated his sense of humor to compensate for his weight. RIP Patrice!

[@RJ3van5]

Is it really true that the flour used to make prawn crackers is made of smashed up prawns?

[@chriswatson3464]

Yes

[@_abracadabra]

19:54 Oh how things change. #JToTheBToTheMotherlovingP

[@EkafEmanresu]

40:26 Don't eat prawns! 38:33 Don't eat chickens, eggs or fish!

[@mirabel5007]

Lesbians may be making more money for many reasons. They cannot be threatened as hetero women can be. Many of them are also not punished for not staying at home with their children, if they have any.

[@tylermabry6881]

"druthers" is synonymous with "preference."

[@keyboarddancers7751]

My jaw nearly dropped out of my face when I heard the stuff about prawns!!😳🥺

[@ManInTheBigHat]

23:45 men increase status to get sex partners. No debate about that. But she goes on to say, "Women who are higher in status... I think they're desirable." Well, isn't it really up to us men if that's the case? As far as I can tell it is generally not true. Ah, but later I find out she dates women. So, high status women are attractive to other women.

[@ulalaFrugilega]

ManInTheBigHat also the wage gap between lesbians and straight women might very well relate to the fact that lesbians don't give a fuck about how men see them, certainly not wether or not they seem attractive to them.

[@scottnolan2833]

“Druthers” is a humorous contraction of “I would rather.” As in “I’d ruther.”

[@StraussBR]

She answered all the question love the interview very smart woman you found

[@ahighhorseman]

Unfortunate that she would casually imply Jordan Peterson of using extreme rhetoric to get famous. Of course it's true that Peterson has become famous, after nearly a thirty year career of teaching and clinical work, but his is hardly the biography of a person angling to use a lack of nuance for personal advancement.

[@squatch545]

WTF? Lobster Boy is the epitome of lack of nuance. And he's already admitted he has "found a way to moneitize SJWs". So yes, he IS using lack of nuance for personal advancement, especially when he makes $60,000 month on Patreon.

[@letsgosurfing1786]

@@squatch545 he makes $0 off patron.

[@squatch545]

@@letsgosurfing1786 Not right now. But before, he was making tons of money off Patreon.

[@wolfereignowns1154]

@@squatch545 nuance is subjective not an absolute truth, the fact you have the DR both do not realize this is a major indication that you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.

[@squatch545]

@@wolfereignowns1154 Nobody is arguing about whether nuance is subjective or objective, we are arguing about Peterson's lack of it. The fact that you seem incapable of following a comment thread indicates you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.

[@strangetranceoffaith]

I really like her but death and suffering are not synonymous. If chickens lead a good life but die young in a world with an endless supply of chickens that is very minimal suffering. Another problem is that the amount of space required to rear a cow as opposed to chickens is much greater and the weight to land ratio is less when growing soya in the same space would feed immensely more people. These sorts of concerns are typically first world because we live such insulated lives. Most people living quiet desperate lives of rural servitude and obscurity eaking out an existence do not have the time or resources to be so precious. Look at the panic the Corona virus has caused. Imagine how little it would take to turn our comfy cosmopolitan lives upside down. A famine would turn the world on its head and these ideas about meat would be meaningless. The reality is that food security requires a mixed economy. Greater diversity is more secure than a monolithic food culture. She is very smart and interesting.

[@fiddlersontheramp5417]

17:33 Fleischman thinks constantine is gay

[@ytyt3922]

You’re right! I totally didn’t pick up on that. I think Konstantine understood what she thought but pretended to think her comment referred to something else.

[@AlexCMoro81]

❤

[@NaturalNeuron]

She has the Uber study findings incorrect. Check the paper.

[@triggerpod]

She corrected herself on Twitter in the immediate aftermath of this interview.

[@nesa1126]

Loved it

[@sabinoluevano7447]

at minute 28 and 29 she says inaccurate stuff. In the Mediterranean people were used to see people that looked different, and a constant mixture happened way before Christ. In northern Europe, people were not used to that, but they had a lot of inter-racial fighting.