Mr. Plinkett's Star Trek 2009 Review (part 2 of 2)

[@HexaSwell]

That scene in the original Star Trek with the turbolift was actually pretty well done. The lights in the window even properly change direction.

[@kylebennett4196]

HexaSwell so do the machinery sounds, it’s pretty amazing

[@mrpatterson5723]

The engine sound changes depending on proximity to the engine room in TNG.

[@howzyerfather]

I noticed the lights this time! Amazing.

[@tomasburian6550]

That's because it was made by someone who cared.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The point of the turbolift scenes was to give people time to talk; discuss things in privacy. Sometimes they even stop the lift, because they need more time.

[@Treetop64]

That editing of Uhura's name gets me every time...

[@r0bw00d]

"Uhura" is Swahili for "freedom" Tom...

[@PetersonZF]

They couldn't even get her name right in the credits for Star Trek VI, she's listed as 'Uhuru'.

[@djackson4657]

@@r0bw00d all names are weird

[@MikeHarrisHazchem77]

Names are just a sound someone makes to get your attention..lol..UhUuuuR..

[@conradojavier7547]

You can't blame plinkett for Not Pronouncing Uhura's Name properly.

[@EdVarkarion]

"JJ Ahbrams deals more in visuals and emotions of the moment. More so than the technical stuff". Boy that explains so much about Force Awakens.

[@maidros85]

And here we thought that the destruction of Vulcan being visible from another planet was bad. Wait till you get Starkiller beam being visible from other star systems INSTANTANEOUSLY.

[@jozinek876]

Indeed, I mean ALL the Republic planets are somehow right next to each other and Starkiller base, and the destruction is visible from Maz Kanata's planet somehow.

[@TheBournPL]

Sweet summer children

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

@@jozinek876 Are you telling me something in Star Wars was unrealistic?

[@jozinek876]

@@TechnologicallyTechnical what I'm saying is that something in SW is SO ridiculous that it's distracting. Many simple rules of space still apply in SW.

[@jadendesveaux7452]

God the engine room bothers me so much in the new movies, it's a fucking brewery

[@furrball]

who cares? when in the sequel they suddenly show someone teleporting from a planet to another one in a different system: RIP warp drive and starships...

[@furrball]

Jacob Hoss I was being sarcastic, of course I care ;)

[@fishhuntersr6351]

You can watch Star Trek (2009) full movie here *netfullmovies(dot)pw/star-trek-2009-full-movie/.* Thanks, Brock.

[@GeorgeMonet]

Yeah. That didn't make sense. The reactor is supposed to be produce plasma and exotic particles that are used to create a warp field, power the ship, and be expelled from the back of the ship to produce thrust. Why was there so much water? In fact, why was there any water? The reactors are designed to run at thousands of degrees and need to maintain high heat so they aren't water cooled. Why were the pipes designed around an elaborate maze rather than simply being short straight pipes? Why were some pieces transparent and others opaque?

[@aurorauplinks4703]

.... maybe everyones alcoholics in the new star trek future and the engine is actually elsewhere and super advanced.... or telekenetic species drive thier space shisp ad everyone just has a drinking problem

[@patterofheads256]

"In Star Wars... We're never told how hyperspace works, what fuels the engines... none of it really mattered" Oh how you wish you were right on that one.

[@turtleanton6539]

Yuup

[@jozinek876]

Same

[@LyricsFred]

When in the movies was it explained 🧐

[@OakkarMg210]

@@LyricsFred in solo a star wars story

[@sixstanger00]

Star Wars (I'm speaking strictly of the OT) did explain how most of it's tech worked without spelling it out. The Falcon traveling through hyperspace looks like a vortex, so I'd say it's likely any ship hyperspace capable opens a wormhole. The Death Stars were powered by main reactors, and given their massive size it's reasonable to assume they were powered by matter/anti-matter reactors. A nuclear reactor would never be able to generate that kind of power, and there's really no other energy production method that requires a reactor core. Plus, no known element in the universe could produce *_more_* power than a matter/anti-matter reaction. In _Return of the Jedi,_ the Death Star II's energy shield is projected by a large dish installation on Endor, and during the scene where the strike team gets captured in the control room, we clearly see what looks like a massive power station in the background. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you look into the SW Technical Manuals, there actually is in-depth explanations on how SW tech works. It just wasn't described in the films because as Plinkett points out, it wasn't important; it wasn't essential to the plot that we know how lightsabers _work._ But we did have to know that the Death Stars had reactor cores, because the assaults in ANH & ROTJ hinged on the destruction of the cores.

[@Uhohlisa]

Damn he called both the plot to the next Star Trek AND that JJ would be better suited to direct the next Star Wars... this is why I respect Mike and RLM so much.

[@Caelinus]

These guys just honestly understand movies.

[@roach9397]

RedLetterMedia is probably the funniest and most intelligent channel on this website.

[@violetgalatee3473]

.. and that spock and uhura would split up !

[@darkojan14]

the first time i saw star trek i said "why not a star wars movie?"

[@derekgalloway750]

Completely agree. I loved JJ's first Star Trek movie and kinda hate JJ's TFA. Remaking ANH was just such a fucking lazy ass approach.

[@riedstep]

funny how he predicted the next movie right. had klingons, tribbles, and the main plotline was something very familiar in the wrath of khan.

[@Punishment27light]

"Is that a giant frozen margarita dispenser?" Gets me EVERY TIME! XD

[@FrancisXLord]

'It was the will of the Force that they all meet... Kirk and Spock are destined to be shipmates as it was prophesized that this will bring balance to the Federation.' LMAO

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

Plinkett's right. Eventually people will get tired of the power inflation, and all of these franchises will burn out. Star Trek, Marvel, etc. When everything is "bigger," "badder," "darker" eventually it hits a wall and has no where to go. It's like the modern economy. Sell all assets the company owns today to increase profit margins and impress investors, watch the stock go up, cash out, and watch it all burn up the next day.

[@Aethgeir]

+Dialectical Monist Agreed! And the sooner the better. I'm so fed up with Star Trek, Star Wars, Comic reboots and other Super hero schlock. They were great when they were still relevant to a whole generation, but now they're just "products". The sooner these franchises burn out, the sooner they can be left to rest in peace and maybe we can actually have something new for this generation to go crazy about. I'm not holding my breath though.

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

Aethgeir Well, you do have Caitlyn Jenner.

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

DonnieRoc The movies have suffered from power inflation more than the comics. Comics are a lot more creative and free flowing, for the most part.

[@john-el9636]

+Dialectical Monist You misspelled ''acconomie''.

[@arfived4]

+DonnieRoc "People have been consuming comic books since they started making them, why do you think that it will be any different with comic book movies?" Depends what you mean by "comic book movie" - if you're including the likes of, say, The Crow, Road to Perdition, Scott Pilgrim, American Splendor and Howard the Duck, then, yeah, Hollywood will, in some way, continue to mine comic books for ideas in exactly the same way they mine every other form of media, for as long as there's a Hollywood. If you specifically mean superhero movies - their time will pass, like it does for every fad once you've reached saturation point and the audience gets sick of them. Look at action movies at the end of the 80s - they went from box office gold to passe in a couple of years.

[@TiagoSeiler]

Plinkett called the second movie perfectly. Klingons and tribbles.

[@ColemanParker]

+Tiago Seiler he also called JJ abrams as the next star wars director

[@stevedoidoultimate4815]

+Coleman Parker He predicts the future

[@SomeKindaSpy]

+SteveDoidoUltimate It's just logic.

[@KRSsven]

Both Trek films were essentially extended auditions for Abrams. He's the perfect director for explosions, lightsabres and bad guys who helpfully wear black and colour their weapons so you know exactly who they are. He was a terrible choice for Trek, that needs actual thought and actual research.

[@jessevb]

I don't think that's exactly fair to J.J, he does a LOT of research for the stuff, it's just the research he does is mostly aesthetic, which is why he's more suited to Star Wars than Trek. Honestly I would have liked to see his take on a Pegg script since I think the scripts were bigger issues in Trek. For the most part I really liked his vision of the Trek universe, I just think that Into Darkness needed to understand that after the first movie it needed to move beyond (no put intended) references. With that said I don't know how much control the director has over the script especially with a big studio involved?

[@smintili]

Watching this in 2020 goes to show how well Mike understands Hollywood by nailing the predictions about Abrams directing Star Wars and what Star Trek 12 was gonna be about. Here‘s hoping Trek will return to quality Storytelling in this decade.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Nope. Mike's current predictions include the end of TV and cinema within the next few years, and possibly the end of the human species in the next few decades.

[@warmonked]

Spacial distances are all messed up in the JJ Abrahms movies. The turbo lift is just a minor example. They warp from one planet to another across the galaxy in seconds. He can't stand slow paced scenes.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

It makes sense the turbolift is so fast, since inertia is not an issue in the future. But the whole point of turbolift scenes was so that people could talk in privacy.

[@Pauly421]

It's because he's a dumb child with ADHD and he thinks the audience is just as dumb as he is. Unfortunately given the success of a lot of his movies that's mostly true.

[@Beegeezy144]

9:25 Plinkett is a prophet. I'm getting chills. First the Star Wars stuff, and now this. How did he know????

[@SB0780]

Disagree about the Dominion War - I thought it was one of the most interesting thing 90's Trek ever did. Space battles aside, it explored the flaws with the federation, humanity and the cost of war to its characters.

[@GeorgeMonet]

It was one of the worst and most ridiculous things they did. Exactly what one should expect from the subversive shills who made the anti Star Trek shit that is DS9.

[@MarkyMatey]

@@GeorgeMonet DS9 rightfully criticized the federation.

[@mikeshockinggentspence8714]

@@GeorgeMonet How much the Federation paying you bro

[@JK-gp2rh]

@@GeorgeMonet on the contrary I think think the dominion war was one of the best things to happen to star trek because it shows that not everything can be solved by diplomacy, The one thing that kept the federation safe for many years. Also at the time of the dominion war Earth barely had a line of defense so what would happen if a powerful empire decided to attack Earth, we would be screwed.

[@toamatau8785]

@@GeorgeMonet I assume you hate TNG and TOS with equal fervor. Because war was going on in those as well.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

13:12 _"You POUND that mound, my friend. Take her to warp speed! But don't forget to vulcanize your nacelle."_ lol

[@djackson4657]

Spock is not having sex with anyone,especially Uhura

[@earlallison]

Despite all the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, I never get tired of these. It's amazing how you can dissect exactly what is wrong with the movie, be it thematically or in basic film theory. Thank you so much for doing these. Even with the jokes, there is a LOT to take away from these insofar as telling me WHY I disliked something on a primal level.

[@rollotwomassey]

Also.....why didn't Nero, due to the miracle of time travel, just warn his planet about its doom 25 years in the future? Saving his future wife, self and billions of Romulans and not bothering with Earth and Vulcan which had NOTHING to do with Romulus' destruction...

[@GeorgeMonet]

In fact, why didn't he simply turn over his ship to the Tal Shiar so that they could duplicate it and use it to take over the entire galaxy?

[@craftpaint1644]

What about infinite timelines where everything is okay because it didn't happen or Spock succeeded in saving the Romulans?

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

@@craftpaint1644 or where Nero actually _did_ make the less moronic decision.

[@jbard9892]

Because then the movie wouldn't happen.

[@rollotwomassey]

@@jbard9892 Touche, good sir :-)

[@TragoudistrosMPH]

5:00... wow, you can see their direction of travel via the lights... that is serious love of detail!

[@jacobwilkins8761]

You know, I feel like Plinkett really makes a great point about J.J. here. I feel like those two Star Trek films are basically Star Wars movies in the Star Trek galaxy. The interesting thing, though, is that the Star Wars prequels feel like Star Trek movies in the Star Wars galaxy! It went after the politics, the deep stuff, but it ended up being kinda confusing and it didn't work in the Star Wars franchise. But I feel like it could've worked in Star Trek if they used those plots and just tweaked them to a different universe. Trust me, Rick Berman couldn't get better performances out of people either. Some of the actors on all of the series were laughably bad.

[@sdzhchannel]

I do have the feeling too George Lucas tried to make the Phantom menace more like a harder science fiction/Star trek film - space diplomacy and politics, viewscreens, slower pace, scientifically/materialistically explaining the Force, some direct references like the presence of a Federation and Nemoidians or whatever those running the Trade Federation are called (according to some comments possibly named after Leonard Nimoy).

[@RushAndPush]

With dominon war there was still time to experience devastating effect of war on the crew of ds9 and federation/klingon empire. That what justifies it in my opinion. But then again I am a niner.

[@lorencproductions]

Excuse me, could ya help out a niner?

[@peacemaster8117]

@@lorencproductions Can ya lend a niner a pencil?

[@cytorakdemon]

Turns out the whole Uhura and Spock romance was just an elaborate reference to the TOS episode where Kirk and Uhura had their interracial kiss. Originally Uhura was going to kiss Spock and possibly admit she had feelings for him. But Shatner said that if Uhura going to be brainwashed into kissing anyone it'd be Captain Kirk.

[@krypto051]

The engine room really is a brewery, they shot in a Budweiser brewery ;)

[@tituslafrombois1164]

The slow motion sync of both Kirks biting an apple made me laugh an unreasonable amount.

[@stephenmilroy7041]

Am I to take it that at this point you are out of pizza rolls to send us?...

[@hailtothechin955]

Luke must have filled a few diapers on the trip from Hoth to Dagobah.

[@sirdan11]

"JJ should have directed the prequels!" *Directs Episode VII. Prophetic.

[@newerest1]

Mr plinkett fucked us on that one

[@stabbityjoe7588]

Hhhh

[@Morrisman1996]

It's confirmed then, the stupid masses are why Star Trek has changed.

[@timothywilliams594]

He doesn't say that's a bad thing. That's confirmed too.

[@Gustavo3575]

+Sean Morris I see your point, but it was necessary in order to resurrect the franchise.

[@Morrisman1996]

Gustavo Pérez I agree with you on that. Modern audiences, which mostly include younger people who have probably never watched Trek in their life, probably wouldn't respond as well to the old formula, and so it needed to be updated to draw in a larger audience.

[@Gustavo3575]

+Sean Morris Indeed. The good thing about this is that the new movies introduced Star Trek to new generations who (hopefully) will watch the old shows.

[@abdulmasaiev9024]

Well, it's 4 years later and Star Trek sure looks resurrected. The nuTrek movies ran out of steam and while technically there's two shows, they're both garbage as Trek (and ehhhhhh as generic sci-fi adventure schlock). What's the point of excusing these things as necessary for "resurrecting" a franchise when what they're actually doing is putting its label onto something completely unrelated in every aspect but the superficial? Might as well "resurrect" Star Trek as a celebrity travel show or something, for that mass appeal.

[@111highgh]

J.J. Abrams should have directed the Star Wars prequels and George Lucas should have directed people to their seats.

[@nonnasfavorite]

the not gays thing is so true they went so out of there way with some to really make sure audience never once thought for a second they might not be straight. love uhura, and i hate that the way they made her more apart of the movie was by making her have a thing with spock. makes no sense for him o be casually dating like that, he never would

[@djackson4657]

A joke

[@hvitekristesdod]

“And George Lucas should have directed people to their seats” DEAD

[@BUB8LE5]

"What if they couldn't get back into the brewery because it went out of business?" My god that joke aged like fine wine 😂

[@triplebog]

I think it would be interesting for Plinkett to do Avengers Age of Ultron. Since while it was a pretty good film it still had a lot of issues. and it falls into the typical plinkett reviews; (sci-fiesque film that usually has other better or different films in the franchise that he can compare it too)

[@jfnk666]

Tar Alacrin Agreed!

[@triplebog]

Harkness78 I see your point, and they probably wont do it because of that. But honestly you don't need a wealth of knowledge about the comics to critique a movie and compare it to another movie on its quality as a piece of film-making. In fact, not having that knowledge of the comics will probably make you better, cause you wont be blinded or distracted by your love for the comics

[@operatus1]

***** Don't forget the passion and dedication it takes to make a Cop Dog review.

[@Nightstalker314]

Tar Alacrin I guess mike doesn't make Plinkett reviews about movies that 1. Don't fuck up too much. 2. he has no perticular interest in, doesn't seem to be into the whole MCU stuff.

[@billybobthornton1950]

+Tar Alacrin Just talking about Avengers movies wouldn't get too far. I would have to be a more detailed look at the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" as a whole.

[@larrywalsh9939]

The whole thing about the turbolift ride being so short in the Fake Trek version is because abrams has no time for slow introspection, he has to hurry, hurry, HURRY to get characters to their next scene where they have to go running screaming through corridors. If a turblolift ride took 30 seconds instead of 5 seconds, that would be 25 seconds of frantic people running screaming through corridors that he'd have to cut out of his terrible movie.

[@jazz-a-lopium8090]

I just watched the original V miniseries again... and guess what I saw? The engine-room of the Visitors saucer motherships is the exact same distillery as the engine-room of the Enterprise... despite the motherships being about 1000 times larger than the Enterprise... 🤦‍♀️ Oh, and that the motherships in the V miniseries were designed to store Earth's water-supply...

[@nunyabizness3866]

The prime directive only applies to pre-warp civilizations. If a civilization has developed work drive you can interact with them freely.

[@zachthezombie]

Nunya bizness glad I wasn't the only one thinking this

[@GeorgeMonet]

But there are a lot of politics controlling the actions that Starfleet takes. Picard had to kick a bunch of people off their planet because they promised the Cardassians they would kick the people off the planet.

[@JK-gp2rh]

The prime directive also involves not getting involved in the affairs of alien civilizations. So they could be warp capable and the prime directive still applies.

[@suckmydickthatsrightyousuc1423]

@@JK-gp2rh Pretty sure that only applies to non-Federation planets. Vulcan literally created the Federation, so they definitely would intervene. I'd have to imagine Mike knows this all by heart with how often he rewatches all forms of Star Trek, so we must assume he's just doing it for the joke of nitpicking. Or just to piss off the nerds.

[@Docsavage-h2o]

RIP Anton Yelchin.

[@user-bk1sp2wd7z]

Nope. Anton Yelchin, DO NOT rest in peace. NO RIP FOR YOU.

[@user-bk1sp2wd7z]

NO RIP FOR YOU EITHER, STOCKY COMMUNIST.

[@stockycomdt7682]

+Claw Bridge Oh, you're a troll.

[@Klink-International]

he has a big case of the not gays

[@chickenman7801]

The Picard council scenes are the best because he not only takes advice but also teaches his officers.

[@harrycook9041]

Thing is, in Star Trek there are no villains, only different people. While the Klingons were the enemies of the federation, they weren't inherently evil. The Borg were just doing what they were programmed to do. The Cardassians were starving and running out of resources and the Dominion felt threatened by the Alpha Quadrant. You could argue that the Romulans are evil, but they are just completely different to the federation.

[@HisRoyalFreshness163]

I always felt the Romulans were meant to represent humanity just prior to us reaching peace. Unlike Klingons or Vulcans they weren't really defined by an all encompassing facet. This meant that, despite the conflict, humans don't have the moral right to judge them.

[@I_Am_Kiba]

Whenever Plinkett puts Bowie music in his reviews, I find it to be a battle of two things I love fighting for my attention.

[@robi6317]

ALL your trek reviews are spot on, hilarious, and massively entertaining. the part about the turbo lift motion was great, i never noticed that. i like Generations but the other TNGs sucked out loud.

[@josephglatz25]

Why bother making these Star Trek films when they bear so little in the way of resemblance to the rest of the franchise though? If Paramount doesn't think the Star Trek fans are worth courting, it shouldn't bother courting them. Make your own goddamn movie with its own universe and its own characters.

[@josephglatz25]

***** First off, don't insult me, second off: pressing shift+4 brings me to the "not gay" discussion, which has nothing to do with the issue at hand, unless you are making another veiled attempt to insult me. Thirdly, my issue with the JJ Abrams reboot stems from the fact that they are insistently made into fairly thoughtless action films. The first film pulled it off okay, if only by virtue of a well-developed cast. Into Darkness was garbage on every level. It would be a bad film regardless of its relationship to the Star Trek franchise, and the next film down the line is likely to be far worse.

[@nojunkorspam]

+Joseph Glatz He addresses this at length in the part 1 video of this review, and I see his point but I do miss the more story-drive "boring" Star Trek, but having said that maybe the Star Trek I miss is better suited for TV especially today where in the past decade or so cable has really nailed it. I have liked lots of these shows with deep story arcs where each season tells a story and each season weaves together (I guess it's the Buffy format). The biggest problem with TNG was the fact that everything was so stand-alone and there were no major ongoing story arcs. DS9 definitely had loads of ongoing arcs, but they weren't neatly designed to fit into each season (in other words I can't recall what each season was about like I can with Buffy, Dexter, Walking Dead, Once Upon a Time, etc). I think the Star Trek we're thinking of would work great in this now commonplace style on TV.

[@nojunkorspam]

***** Voyager had some arcs, but they were poorly implemented and the show largely came off like TNG with its stand-alone episode design. For example, that whole storyline involving the disaster where Voyager was trapped under ice from the use of an experimental engine (where Harry and Chakotay used time travel to fix it) should have been a season-long story arc but instead we suddenly see that they built this thing in this episode and it's never mentioned again. There was also an episode where Voyager encountered a planet where time ran fast compared to the universe, the doctor beamed down, and lived there for what was about 7 years in their time. In the next episode the Doctor became a singing celebrity on another alien world and considered moving there by contradicting the previous episode's storyline because he stated that Voyager was the only life he'd ever known. That being said I'm not sure I'd say TNG is really better or not. It's definitely better from a historic perspective since it successfully relaunched a sci-fi franchise and brought a number of new characters into common knowledge (people recognize Data even if they've never watched an episode), but I liked how Voyager largely operated under the rules this fictional universe operates under (yea I know they got sloppy) and that was largely developed by TNG. Also DS9 launched a couple months after I became a Star Trek fan so, for me at least, DS9 and Voyager were the shows I watched in "real time" so that made them more special to me and gave them a bigger impact for me because TNG was basically available anytime in syndication.

[@nojunkorspam]

After becoming hooked on shows post-Voyager like Lost, Dexter, Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, and the Walking Dead I wonder if I would like Voyager today as much as I did back in its day. The characters were bland I guess but the main problem was that the writers never put them at risk. The only major character to leave was Kes, and having a 9 year lifespan she could have been a fascinating character to watch grow and die. DS9 had a narrative closest to what those other shows have because episodes mattered, and desperately needs to be watched in the proper order. In fact the space station was even taken by the enemy and remained in its control for maybe half a season or so. I admit it was slow for the first couple seasons and dealt a lot with Bajorian politics, but if you are a Star Trek fan you owe it to yourself to watch that one through until the end. Star Trek Enterprise had me excited, and had so much potential, but it fell back to independent stories that were stale and predictable. Instead of focusing on the obvious narrative of the founding of the Federation and things mentioned from the past like the Earth / Romulan conflict we had... crap. Then they got their act together and came up with this long story arc about... an alien federation we never see again. I loved how they were establishing Star Trek tech and I loved things like the Andorian / Vulcan tension (this was the only Trek that actually seemed like it was taking place in space), and it had a great cast but they just botched everything. It was so dull, predictable, and NOT RELEVANT to the canon!

[@nojunkorspam]

Ah. In any case if the moment strikes you someday and you get the urge to binge on Star Trek from Netflix or something then start out DS9. Watch the pilot and then skip to about the last 4 episodes or so from the end of Season 2. That's probably around when the major storyline element of that series starts up.

[@Kastev30]

I agree with you about every point you've made about every Star Trek series and movies EXCEPT the Dominion War of DS9. I still think it was an amazing story-arc and the CGI battles, in my opinion, didn't make the Alpha Quadrant ships seem less durable by any means or cheapen how combat was supposed to be rare in Star Trek, but simply showed the overwhelming firepower and zealous nature of the enemy the Federation was facing. The Dominion War story was all about the militarization of the Federation when faced with a new and overwhelming enemy and how that militarization clashed with the peaceful and explorative nature that the Federation was founded upon. And it was done in a good way unlike Voyager which was just Captain Janeways adventure in genocide, murder and the violation of every single rule the Federation was founded upon. It's like when the Borg was first introduced and they just wipe the floor with the Enterprise. Did that make the Enterprise seem any less weak? No, it just made the enemy seem so superior. Now yeah, you can argue that the Dominion was just the Borg of Deep Space 9 as all Star Trek series need a main antagonist race, and I'd agree, but that didn't make it any less interesting in my opinion. Also, a lot of the ship combat where ships were getting one shot and shit was when they were attacking orbital defenses. In the massive battles we got in DS9, MOST of the ships you saw get one shot were usually either ganged up on by multiple ships or getting targeted by one big ship.

[@andrewscott7728]

The Yamato was destroyed in one hit when they first met the Dominion. It looked like an exact copy of the Enterprise.

[@paulmcilhone4726]

Holy shit, you completely called it on both the Klingons and the Tribbles! Great work

[@Narutofan825]

It's like poetry so that it rhymes.. oh wait wrong movie review..

[@Narutofan825]

guidetoanything Jar jar is the key to all of this.

[@themauvewitch]

+One above all what's actually weird is that I heard a dumb theory that fans of the prequels came up with and it is that JarJar is the key to the downfall of the Federation. He was supposed to be the main focus of it all but because there was the whole "where did Vader come from", back story they gave up that idea. At least they made ONE good decision.

[@mdcraig62]

+One above all If we can get Jar Jar working...

[@SianaGearz]

+Samuel Alaster NOT FANS OF THE PREQUELS. Just some guys who might or might not, but do not necessarily like the prequels. Here's where it comes from: www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/ This could have actually worked. It would have surprised people, but backed them up emotionally, because everyone disliked Jar-Jar, so revealing him to be evil would have been satisfying.

[@Seank7]

IT'S SO DENSE

[@aza3ful1]

clicks on video david bowie's "just dance" starts playing :(

[@MaxMercuryAnonymous]

Yeah. It’s a good song.

[@bl4nkd4hli4]

Hey, that's "Let's Dance," not that Lady Gaga noise ... well, to be more accurate it sounds like a karaoke backing track for someone to sing "Let's Dance."

[@nolandavis1129]

11:26 Holy Shit! He just predicted Star Trek Discovery!

[@hoeraufist]

Here it is. The video responsible for the Star Wars sequels.

[@CaptainSweatpants90]

21:40 "In fact, J.J. Abrams should have directed the Prequels..." Hehe. Kind of like he knew what was going to happen.

[@Hellboy-ge6po]

Mr. Plinkett Illuminati Confirmed!

[@roach9397]

It's funny because in a Plinkett commentary for the original Star Wars he says something about the next Star Wars movie being about the last remnants of the Empire building a third Death Star, which is a very close prediction for The Force Awakens with the First Order and Starkiller Base.

[@roach9397]

LedPESRule Because it is a well made movie, it's simple and fun, and it reminds us of the movies we loved.

[@roach9397]

LedPESRule Well, let's hope Episode 8 is a bit more unique.

[@anarchofaschist642]

@@LedPESRule Hahahahahaha!

[@TpGame-ox4wy]

Every time I watch this review I die laughing. Genius video. So good.

[@dimitri_david7754]

I legit started choking on my drink when he said “and then kirk and spock have to beam over to Shinzon’s ship and then…”. Like, it took a solid half second for the realization to kick in that it wasn’t an unintentional mistake 😂.

[@MrBrandybuck1120]

it's an interesting point Mike makes about the Dominion War being a way that action was cheapened. I felt like in the context of DS9 the build up was pretty well done, but I can understand how from that point on, you were able to see how the ships were not as menacing as they once were. I've had this idea for a while that TNG and DS9 are sibling shows. DS9 had a lot of the same writing team that TNG had, and in many ways DS9 is a sequel to TNG and takes a lot of TNG ideas and builds on them. So maybe you could say that seeing Warbirds and BoPs being destroyed is the years long payoff of what was started in TNG. One other note on this, but if you remember the season 2 finale of DS9, the Odyssey is a galaxy class starship destroyed by the dominion. the showrunners included this to highlight how menacing the dominion was, and I wonder if that was the reasoning for showing the destruction of following ships in the war.

[@nezfromhki]

Kind of funny how he says "JJ should have directed the prequels", now some years later JJ is directing Force Awakens.

[@Talote1983]

34:50 What's next? Tribbles and klingons maybe... Star Trek Into Darkness: Fight against klingons. Kirk saved by Khan's blood tested on a tribble. RIGHT ON SPOT

[@Zamolxes77]

What I get from this is that they concentrated on character creation and visuals at the expense of the plot. Which is precisely the right move for a quick buck. Why would I want to own this on blue-ray ? Or review it periodically, like I do with Star Wars or Lord of The Rings ? Nothing really, seen it once, simple, linear plot, great characters. DONE. The plot is what keeps me coming back to a movie or series, is the thing that creates longevity and timeless status. Nobody's gonna remember Star Trek 2009, only for being a quick pop movie with a lot of lens flares. Too bad nowadays generation of filmmakers don't understand that.

[@tomasburian6550]

The slo mo of Kirk eating the apple had me rolling :D

[@semirdzhyan]

Hi. Jack from the future here. Can confirm the next thing in line was klingons @34:52. The series was called star trek discovery. Not a movie tho.

[@JafuetTheSame]

the turbolift scene is evidently provocative to show that lift from the future really should be turbo. it strucked me right when i saw it but i was like "yeah thats how should turbolift work" despite of all nostalgia about star trek classic turbolift blather :)

[@atrioom]

This editing is a fucking masterpiece. The scenes starting at 27:02 just made me write this comment. Mike!!! You beast!!!

[@zeptimp]

brilliant,brilliant,brilliant,brilliant! Just discovered Plinkett today- Christmas in the year of our Tracy Lord 2015. Fantastic, super funny, so intelligent. Do Tree of Life or Brown Bunny next.

[@Timbulathespidermonk]

Wow! Star Trek Into Darkness comes out and what's in it? Klingons and even a reference to Tribbles. Also, in this Harry mentions that JJ should make Star Wars........hhhmmmm.........someone's mastered time travel.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Or JJ's second closest working partner is a fan of these videos and has publicly endorsed them.

[@spiff2268]

Yeah, the one thing that bothered me about this movie was that the supernova was several light-years away. The fastest the energy from the explosion could travel is the speed of light. And the Romulan empire has many FTL space ships. You would think at least one out on patrol, or traveling around the empire would've seen that the star went supernova. They would've then hauled ass back to Romulus and said"Hey, big energy wave heading this way! We have four years to evacuate!"

[@DoNpHoBiATV]

so, Earth's solar system now has a black hole without any issues?! uymmm

[@GeorgeMonet]

Maybe it's a micro black hole.

[@JK-gp2rh]

@@GeorgeMonet it would still effect the solar system

[@jamesf7431]

Ha, its ironic because JJ Abrams is now directing the sequels. Mr. Plinkett predicated the future.

[@willlauzon3744]

Plinkett is something rlm should have kept doing. Plinkett was my kind of crazy.

[@cupcaketyrantdar2483]

"in fact, JJ Abrams should have directed the prequels" *takes a deep breath* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@escapeartist323]

Scotty: I can see Vulcan from my house, but no one ever comes to visit me.

[@maxheadshot3287]

J.J. Abrams: 'I can make money with hot garbage. Who cares ?' That's the current Hollywood nihilism.

[@ssnakezz]

29:03 I literally spit out my food while i was eating, the joke caught me off guard LOL

[@josephglatz25]

No, a view screen as apposed to a window is advantageous because windows tend to be a lot more flimsy than the material of the ship's hull. They'd make for a nasty weak point. Shoot it, and the command crew is killed instantly, and you win the fight. Then again, if I were a designer in star fleet, I'd bury the bridge inside the hull to make sure it has the best protection possible.

[@zachdelozier2133]

Like the sub bridge on a Star Destroyer?

[@josephglatz25]

Yeah.

[@TeamGreenBurrito]

+Joseph Glatz I remember in one of the Halo novels, I think _The Flood,_ there's a Covenant captain on the bridge in the heart of his ship and he thinks to himself how absurd the humans are for building their command decks at the bow of the ship.

[@josephglatz25]

TeamGreenBurrito Precisely!

[@youfoolwarrenisdead6400]

+Joseph Glatz Yeah. Maybe they could have like shutters, like blast doors, that by default cover the windows, and the crew would use the electronic view screens by default. But really, if your ship's screens don't work then you're probably fucked up at that point anyway. What the hell good are windows in the future of space? You gonna manually aim at the enemy? Yeah i think Plinkett might've been wrong on this one.

[@BriantheWolverine]

Well he was right about Tribbles.

[@GTXDash]

Brian Watson and Klingons...wait, are you talking about his predictions for Star Trek Into Darkness?

[@BriantheWolverine]

yeah, but the Klingons were such a small part that they barely count.

[@maujo2009]

Brian Watson More amazingly, he was right about JJ directing SW. Plinkett, the prophet!

[@BrickBuster2552]

+Mau Jo But he only did one.

[@jessicourteous]

I would've paid more attention but there was Bowie karaoke in the background! 😅

[@valmarsiglia]

It's not entirely the actors' faut; they did as well as they could with the script and direction, but the overall impression I had of the 2009 Trek was of kids wearing grownup clothes and doing passable sendups of their parents but missing the subtlety of each character.

[@ipponyc]

LOL. This is great and hilarious at the same time. I can't believe I didn't see this review. I found your argument about the Dominion war very interesting. I always wondered if you would debate other KZbinrs on this. It would be very interesting.

[@jaredkebbell443]

Kirk eating an apple during the Kobyashi Maru test in Star Trek (2009) is not a reference to Kirk eating an apple in Wrath of Khan. It's a reference to the obviousness of being a smug douche bag. You're giving J.J. Abrams waaaay too much credit, my friend.

[@davistalhone9482]

I've been trying to place the Plinkett character's voice for years and it's finally hit me tonight! That's Old Man from Pawn Stars!

[@taoisimdrunkard]

"abrams should of directed the prequels, and lucas should of directed people to their seats." lost my shit have i.

[@johnt.campbell316]

20:16 The Magic Eye picture is of birds. It's took me *years* to get to the point where I can see them.

[@djackson4657]

Spock is sterile He has a seven year cycle he is not having sex with anyone, he cannot have kids

[@aaronstanley7447]

Wait... I thought the Prime Directive only applied to pre-warp civilizations? Sorry, it's just my inner Trek nerd voicing her opinion. :P

[@rattynobbs]

was writing this exact sentence before i saw your comment haha

[@dataportdoll7918]

It prevents non-interference with both pre-warp civs and purely internal affairs (like the Klingon civil war). But...for some reason he played the clips where the Prime Directive was boiled down to "don't alter God's plan". like the franchise maintained for...20 years....yeah...good on that, Gene.

[@GeorgeMonet]

But what if God's plan required your interference? Maybe the reason why we are all sentient is so that we DO help each other. The Prime Directive isn't really about non interference, it is about furthering Starfleet's goals. They can help any ally without being asked, but if you aren't an ally then they will refuse until you pledge yourself to Starfleet because of the "Prime Directive". The Prime Directive is garbage.

[@dataportdoll7918]

And this is why everyone hates "Dear Doctor" xD

[@paulm6081]

i think he's looking for the temporal directive, theres better clips about not preventing deaths through time travel. Plinkett ya idiot, we need an apology

[@nikkyboy1067]

I came for the mild women basement torture ... I stayed for the laser focused KFC Double-Down references

[@liamscienceguy8153]

25:09 Joining the spirit of nitpicking, if the romulan sun exploded it wouldn't have taken a millisecond because the supernova gases usually move at around 1/10 light-speed and for the star to go supernova it would have to have a mass of at least 9 solar masses, giving it a habitable zone and therefore Romulus' orbital distance of a touch under 47 AU, so it would take 10 * 8 minutes * 47 AU or almost **sixty-three hours** to reach the planet, presumably giving time for the vulcan ship thingy to get to the system. I love math :D

[@kibnob]

What's the song playing at 7:50 (the section on the engine room)?

[@radiosonicfan1726]

Love the video. Mention you like the transporter, can't stand when they are transported on the ship they fall into the platform. Using the film logic they should hit the platform at terminal velocity.

[@nunyabizness3866]

Looking back, Mr. Plinkett was right on about tribbles and klingons in Into Darkness. He didnt mention Kahn, but maybe he didnt think the producers would be so stupid.

[@MrDexter337]

26:00 I always the prime directive only applied to undeveloped civilizations without warp technology? If that's the case, then Spok interfering with Romulus's fate is considered okay.

[@Morrisman1996]

The Magic Eye thing was penguins

[@osmium6832]

Thanks! I could only get my eyes to see it inverted and couldn't make sense of it.

[@hyethga]

Anyone know the name of the music that begins at 15:49?

[@stephenward7856]

8:30 "Why did they stop thinking for me?" Classic!

[@wizkida981015]

tbh, of all the jokes I could have lost it at, it was the "Nero, named for the CD Burning software" thing.

[@Ringowasprettygood]

Man the music he uses in the background is always really great. I recognize most of it but only after a watching it multiple times

[@jyodurron87]

"They could've just met each other in a K-mart!" HA!

[@maksuree]

"all anybody knows about spock is that he's wierd. he's quiet, and he likes science" TIL i'm Spock.

[@fv2977]

There is one last detail. Do you like staring at blue shit?

[@Tychoxi]

Correction, you are what the dumb masses think of Spock. Still pretty cool.

[@Brody400]

“JJ Abrams should’ve directed the Prequels.” That did not age well.

[@javanese-engineer]

The prequels still suck tho

[@white-dragon4424]

Abrams being a hack still doesn't make Lucas a competent director or writer.

[@wephilips6651]

Actually thar is still true. He said DIRECT not write!!!

[@white-dragon4424]

@@wephilips6651 True. He might have done well if he was restricted to just directing, just so long as you keep him well away from any flashlights.

[@petewadesays12]

"With a little green goblin, who loves him" "Now this is pretty fucking weird right?" Classic

[@Caelinus]

I have realized recently that I prefer my science fiction in longer form formats, and my science fantasy in shorter movies. Something like a TV show or a book series gives a lot more time to build characters and mythology than a movie does. Movies need to be punchier and fast paced in their character development. I like the way JJ did this movie and TFA because of that.

[@ancientlights]

OMG! I fucking love Mr. Plinkett's reviews! Please keep up the excellent well crafted comedic work! :D

[@sniperbAit77777]

I think the Dominion War was the high point of all of Trek. It was a distinct parallel to the original series in that human nature perseveres despite the difficulty, but instead of culture clash, it was war on an unprecedented scale. The human element was revived in the wake of the cold, scientific, and dramatic storytelling of TNG and Voyager which began the year before.

[@johnnythewalrus]

When talking about experiencing fear relating to a test, I'm surprised Mr. Plinkett didn't make a pregnancy test joke. Also, now I wish Kirk and Spock really had met in a K mart.

[@DonutJulio]

27:00 how do they know that the cosmic plan doesn't involve them interfering? Also based on my limited knowledge of Star Trek I assumed the prime directive was to just not interfere with primitive cultures who aren't ready yet. What's wrong with helping an already developed civilization out?

[@chad5696]

Everything makes sense now. Star Trek became Star Wars(the original trilogy) and Star Wars (the Prequels) became Star Trek.

[@UD503J]

"Kirk and Spock are going to beam onto Shinzon's ship" For the first time, Plinkett pronounces Shinzon correctly.