GreyCat ROC & ROC-DS - Episode 5, Star Citizen Mining Tutorial - Gemstone Mining with the ROC

[@mattsteel9122]

I have been playing SC for about 3 years now. It can be very hard for new players to find good info on the game. You are so far one of the best sources Ive seen. Keep up the good work.

[@RedMonsterSC]

I appreciate that!

[@jimbobhootenanny4440]

And still very relevant this helped alot thank you sir!

[@obsessivelyobsessed5263]

TLDR: Thanks for turning this girl from a mail-lady into a workhorse of profit thank you for making this series, in Elite Dangerous I was always just a space trucker/passenger liner, but since there is no profitable way to do either in SC right now (3.16) and since I'm fairly new to SC as a player, this tutorial took me from confused and scared to JUST scared (of players). made some good haul and your cheat sheets even helped me calculate the best time to stop and sell by letting me get an exact calculation of my hauls profit margins.

[@DJLKM1]

I too was an ED space trucker, esp Robigo days lol. Im now a cargo pilot in SC, but i also do a bit of ROC mining now and then :)

[@georgemitchell2288]

I bought 2 Pembroke Undersuits, and BOTH of them tried to kill me. I suffered massive heatstroke, and had to post 2 beacons for medical emergencies. In one instance I had the full kit Pembroke Helmet & Undersuit, and in another I looted the RSI Pembroke Helmet and standard Pembroke Undersuit. Although in 3.19 the bug was fixed, and now I use the Pembroke and helmet as demonstrated. As an alternative, you can use a high temp helmet and standard undersuit and eat alien plants to bring down my heat and relieve my physical exhaustion, along with some water. The break does me good, and I get to empty my ROC of lesser gems and leave the Hadonite for the cash-out. Although I do miss the larger backpack, that would be epic for those times when I want to 2X or 3X load the ROC and transfer to my ship. Additionally, with the use of the Pembroke and Backpack, you can switch your multi-tool to collect (B) gems (with the Ore-bit module) and they will collect in your Pembroke Backpack.

[@K3NADIAN_Heavy]

Really helpful guide! So far paid of my ROC in my first 2 trips out

[@Lot-sv5sw]

Amazing breakdown of mining with the roc, answers every question I had. Thanks

[@RedMonsterSC]

Glad to hear it! I do have a plan to do an updated series in the coming months, but glad to see that the content hasn't become obsolete.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

Since you asked how our first ROC mining sessions went... well mine was not so good. I've done hand mining quite a bit and enjoy it. I've done quite a bit of mining in a rental Prospector too. But mining in the ROC-DS was just miserable and not because I had to climb out of the driving seat to get to the mining operator seat. The problem I had was that the mining laser was aimed about 15 degrees down from the mouse cursor. This meant that if the laser was on the rock then the scanner was pointed off the rock so I didn't know how much energy I was putting into the rock. And if the scanner was on the rock then the laser was in the dirt and not putting anything into the rock. Out of the three rock cluster I managed to blow one of them after about 45 minutes to an hour. Considering how it was going so far and knowing that there was a far bit of risk of blowing up the other rocks and scattering the gems every which way. So I flipped the mining arm to extraction mode which resulted in a gem cyclone. I saw somewhere that when you get a gems cyclone if you just leave the extraction laser on it will eventually collect all the gems flying around. So I left it on for 10+(?) minutes, aimed it all around and it would grab a gem maybe every 30-60 seconds. When I turned off the extraction laser the last 15-20 gems went flying everywhere. I turned the extraction laser back on and collected 4-5 of the gems that ended up close by. Then I asked in the global chat if there was a way to fix it and the tldr version was that is the way it is and it is buggy sometimes. I replied that I enjoyed mining with a prospector but that ROC mining was misery and I would never mine with a ROC again (I was being a bit hyperbolic). I then drove back the loaner Freelancer Max I transported the ROC-DS there with. Got out of the ROC-DS, walked up the cargo ramp, closed the cargo door, took off then targeted the ROC-DS and blew it up. I'm not even going to bother to claim it until I am able to sell it. Or if someone else wants to try it I will claim it for them and let them have it. I then went and got my Titan from ARC-L1 and flew back to Hurston, got interdicted by three 9 tails ships; a Valkyrie, Buccineer and M50, and blew them up contributing to the safety of the system and the mission A Call to Arms.

[@RedMonsterSC]

That is quite the roller coaster! Star Citizen is an unusual mix of immersive gameplay mixed with frustrating bugs, followed up with moments of triumph and awe. It sounds like you were able to at least find a gameplay route that you enjoyed despite the current bugs. :)

[@whatasaverl6456]

Dude this was more helpful than anything I've seen in a while!

[@RedMonsterSC]

Thanks for being here! Right now there are a few bugs affecting ROC mining and I hope to have some quick fix videos posted for them before December 2021. Please check that playlist out in case I've covered it already. Gemstones are not stacking in your inventory, extracting anything more than one rock causes a whirlwind of gems while they wait to be collected, and you are unable to sell from a ROC vehicle while it's parked inside another ship.

[@zabumafu7037]

The gemstone tornado reminds me of bees. Its become a game to me to see how far I can launch them after I turn off the extraction head.

[@jeff9201]

Unless you take it to a station and sell at Admin, I did it last night. Stored my Nomad hauling the ROC on it and was able to sell my gems at the Admin terminal on Everus

[@algee2005]

I am roaming Aberdeen right now, and I am unable to locate any mineable node in my Freelancer Max. It only picks up big rocks a few km out. I am already flying as low as i can. What am i missing?

[@jeff9201]

@@algee2005 fly low like sub 1200m and slow like 95m/s ping your scanner constantly and as soon as you pick up a signal at a max distance of 1200km stop, turn towards it and fly to it. Do not ping again until the diamonds show up on your screen or they may disappear

[@RedMonsterSC]

@@algee2005 make sure you're flying within a few hundred meters of the ground, keep it slow, and send out radar pings as often as you can. Gemstones only show up on radar pings within 1200m and don't resolve until you're within about 100m.

[@antoniovc]

Crazy good tutorial!! Keep it up!

[@PeruvianGuy.]

6:23 LOL. Great video Red! thanks for the awesome content!

[@RedMonsterSC]

My pleasure!

[@lifes2short4bs73]

Awesome guide! Thank you for putting it out, it really helped me a lot. I got my first full load of gems and as I was parking the ROC in my Nomad….. the game crashed…. No I get to go do it aaaaall over again

[@RedMonsterSC]

Well the good news is, hopefully, this time you'll be much more efficient with it!

[@Fletchman1313]

Ok... I'm finally going to try ROC mining in 3.19.1. Just bought a ROC and loaded up my Nomad.

[@christobaldvalley6599]

Finnaly a good video..Spend an entire weekend getting confused from video to video. I wish there would be something else thank just give a like. Thank you ! a LOT!

[@Maxos43]

If the arm of the roc is not moving it's because you're probably stuck in fixed mode on your weapons. I don't have the exact key combinaison to swap (I bind this on my stick) but you have to use something like alt+J to change and be able to use the mouse to move the roc's arm. Thanks for the video

[@shenanigans10101]

That was really well done. Clear, helpful information delivered well. Liked and subscribed. I look forward to watching more of your stuff

[@yeetyeet3440]

the first youtuber i subscribed to after they asked cause the video was actually good

[@brianwaffle]

Very well put together video. Thank you for the assistance.

[@bjornjohhanson9193]

VERY INFORMATIVE , THANKS FOR THE POST

[@ChanyaAndWazzaThailand]

Verry well presented information!

[@pargo9869]

as a new player i like ur video very informative and helpful, tyvm u got my sub i hope u success...

[@austinh4709]

I watched this video and thought, "Cool! I'm gonna try ROC mining!" Spent all my money on a Freelancer and a ROC. First rock cluster: buried in geological formation, can't mine it. Second rock cluster: laser lags out on first rock, blows up rock 15 seconds after letting off laser. Second rock crashes game.

[@AKGirthQuake]

When the rocks are under bigger rocks its so annoying, huge waste of time

[@DJLKM1]

This was an awesome guide on ROC mining, probably the best on YT. I have one simple question: How the hell did you get the ore to stack lool.

[@RedMonsterSC]

First, thank you for the kind praise! The part where my gemstones stacked was during one of the PTU patches before it broke. Unfortunately they have yet to fix it so I guess it's a fun little time capsule of how it SHOULD have worked.

[@DJLKM1]

@@RedMonsterSC Shame, moving them all is a pain :(

[@BENLAK]

nice video , thanks for these informations !

[@mattlevins6754]

Great Video. Not sure if something has change since this was made. But when I park my ROC in my Freelancer the Gem aren't stacked to move into my ship?

[@RickOShay]

Thanks good tutorial - easy to watch and listen to. One question do you need to have a cargo container in your ship or does the ship have sufficient storage of its own. I have a Constellation.

[@RedMonsterSC]

The ROC cargo can fill up in about one hour of good mining. My recommendation is to go and sell when the ROC vehicle storage starts getting close to full instead of messing with the inventory management. If you want to risk it for a longer duration trip, then you can transfer the gems into the ship inventory, and there will be plenty of available space there.

[@RickOShay]

@@RedMonsterSC Thanks. I have the ROC-DS so double the ROC storage apparently. Now to find the Hadanite. The miner on the ROC-DS needs serious armor to survive for more than 11 minutes on Aberdeen - I know this because I lost my ship and ROC and had to spawn back and retrace my steps to find my ship and ROC. Quite a tedious process!

[@diminios]

Hm... Interesting how in your video, you turn on mining mode and can immediately turn the mining arm, whereas I have to 1) hold G to enter manual gimbal mode, and then 2) hold Z (freelook), to move the arm. I wonder what setting I'm missing. Or maybe, what have I set that I shouldn't have.

[@tripperdan]

Hey Red, have you considered doing an update on this to reflect the new ping system and how you would use it with ROC mining? Thanks

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hey, I'm thinking there will eventually be a full redo of the video series but don't have anything planned just yet.

[@CitizenSmith]

Great vid. Can't believe after all this time you can't stack or at least select all with stones.. painful moving stuff between boxes.

[@RedMonsterSC]

Tell me about it. Fortunately that looks to have been fixed in the current 3.18 PTU patch.

[@CitizenSmith]

@@RedMonsterSC Oh really, that's good. I've been using this 'VoiceAttack' method which is actually quite effective. Auto move items.

[@MrJoshdude101]

Cheers

[@kaptnsternhagel8829]

Great tutorial! Just started mining and it is very helpful. One question: When I try to transfer the Roc's inventory to my carrack, there are only single units of gemstones (no stacks). How do you stack them? It's a pain in the ass to drag and drop them one by one... 😆

[@kaptnsternhagel8829]

Ok... I've should have read your comment below... 🤣 Question is answered. 😉 But the transfer of gemstones from one inventory to the other stays a - you know what...😛

[@stanislavmykhailychenko4679]

Took quite a while, could you change order of them as first I would suggest overview and then where to rent and buy items

[@vendeggs2665]

wait, how are the minerals stacked? when i mine they go 1x next to 1x so theres a ton of single minerals in the cargo thingy

[@dariongordon7909]

oldie but a goodie, theyve lowered the amount of roc nodes to mine by ALOT so its kind of massively time consuming to just find 1 node to mine now dont know if its even worth anymore to do roc mining at all

[@bronson2585]

I rented the prospector and only made 20k first few hrs. Rented the gray car and cutlass and made 200k first few hrs. Not sure what I did wrong with the prospector but I’m loving mining. With the ROC

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hey, fortunately I've got a full guide on mining with a Rented Prospector that you might find helpful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKHaeH6ViLuSsLs

[@tajabaho1]

great tutorial......except its broken in 3.15......did they fix it for 3.15.1?

[@RedMonsterSC]

There are some issues selling directly from the ROC inventory right now. If you take your ROC out of the transport ship, request landing, then drive your vehicle on to the pad it will store the ROC. After that you should be able to sell.

[@tajabaho1]

@@RedMonsterSC Ok thanks! I tried it and it works, but I still lose most of the gems due to extraction not putting the gems inside the ROC and just swirling everywhere, anyway to work around that?

[@RedMonsterSC]

@@tajabaho1 starting in 3.15 there was an extraction rate limit put in place. It's likely the gems are being collected, but only one or two per second. Keep holding that extraction laser down and wait for them to all finish getting scooped up.

[@gigagaming6921]

what is the exetly names of places where is poseble to clame the car ?

[@xCyberbulletx]

Could you link the gemstone location card shown at 3:15 on this video?

[@RedMonsterSC]

It's housed on my Discord Server, so you may need to join there. I'll try and make them available on my website soon. media.discordapp.net/attachments/858739869102374932/897614219292332082/gemstone-locations.png

[@xCyberbulletx]

@@RedMonsterSC Ok could you put a link in the description?

[@markspies9040]

when you removed the ore from the rock when it was parked in the ship, how did it become stacked? just started playing and i was wonder how to 'move all ore' from roc to ship or have it stack rather than 1x. moving a 100 pieces takes along time. transfer all or stack all tips would be helpful thanks. Great tutorials, well done ;)

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hey, that segment was filmed during the PTU testing of the new inventory features. Unfortunately it broke before the patch went live so the gems don't stack automatically (at least for now).

[@markspies9040]

@@RedMonsterSC many thanks for your quick response I am looking forward to better Inventory management, happy to know it's coming. Just wrapping my head around this game now after buying a package in 2014

[@emmig-2188]

Hey I’m also new to SC and mining, I have rented a Cutlass Black and a ROC. The Problem: the gems that I collect in my ROC are all split up and are pain to get them from my ROC to my Cutlass black, any tips or tricks?

[@RedMonsterSC]

That one is a known bug in the latest build. CIG did acknowledge it in the patch notes but didn't have a fix for it yet.

[@fergie89]

How did you manage to get them all stacked in your first part of the transfer section? Every time I've interacted with the ROC or ROC-DS inventory they've been split into individual pieces.

[@RedMonsterSC]

A lot of this footage was captured in PTU and there were some versions where the rocks would stack properly. Unfortunately that broke before it went to the live version, so they're all separated now. CIG did acknowledge this is the recent known issues for patch 3.15.1 so I'm hoping it gets fixed.

[@chewy1161]

@@RedMonsterSC let us hope so. very time consuming otherwise

[@jimmyschwartzbach8265]

Thx for a good tutorial. How do I check the fuel on the Roc ? and refuel ?

[@RedMonsterSC]

The ROC doesn't use fuel at the current time. None of the ground vehicles do.

[@munchiesNcrunchies]

are you going to update the gemstone locations for patch 3.19? cuz thatd be pretty subscriber worthy if you did.

[@RedMonsterSC]

Just posted them last night! redmonstergaming.com/mining-cheat-sheets/

[@Bugman541]

good vid

[@raptoractual4267]

I'm new 'round here but i was wondering if there's anywhere we can see those graphs and things you bring up in your videos

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hey, they are in my discord server, but I'll also be making them available on my website in the next week or so. EDIT: They are live now over here: redmonstergaming.com/2021/12/20/star-citizen-mining-cheat-sheets/

[@mattburke4343]

So i bought my first mining vehicle ROC-DS. Regret the DS and should have gotten the ROC but i am really enjoying mining. What do you think is the best ship to get to transport it around?

[@RedMonsterSC]

The Constellation is a great looking ship, and I'd always use any excuse I can to ride one around. :)

[@Lochnessc]

Hi. I have the freelancer starter pack.. do GREYCAT INDUSTRIAL ROC fitt in that ship?

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hey, it does, although it's a pretty tight fit.

[@partydemon2849]

Please tell me how your gems didn’t scatter, I lose them so much

[@perfectly_unstable]

I love the charts. do you have them posted anywhere?

[@RedMonsterSC]

Yep, updated for 3.19 based on the latest PTU build. redmonstergaming.com/mining-cheat-sheets/

[@perfectly_unstable]

@@RedMonsterSC awesome. I'm still pretty new. I've made enough delivering packages and I think I'll start by renting a ROC and mining on Aberdeen.

[@grimnar6725]

My gems don't stack in the ROC. Have to transfer 1 piece at a time to the ship inventory. . so I don't bother. Am I bugged?

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hi, that was recorded during the initial PTU phase where gemstones were stacking. Unfortunately it's been bugged ever since and they don't stack, so we've got to suffer through it.

[@jameswilson4436]

Is the ROC DS worth getting as a solo miner for the extra SCU of storage?

[@RedMonsterSC]

My recommendation is to stick with the single seat ROC. The DS needs to be hauled around by a larger vehicle than the standard ROC and requires you to move between the driving and mining seats. The extra capacity isn't much of a factor right now, since you can just transfer the gemstones directly into your transport vehicle after each cluster, so you're never at risk of filling up. There's a current bug causing those gems to not stack in your inventory, though, so that makes transferring much more time consuming. Hopefully that gets fixed soon (3.16).

[@GAExperience]

@@RedMonsterSC I usually see all the fragments divided, inside the inventory. Is there any way to group them? Thank for the video.

[@RedMonsterSC]

@@GAExperience I addressed this in the pinned comment and on a follow-up video, "Known Issues for 3.15.1."

[@meatfinger5765]

Help my laser of ROC went activated

[@uFinSideProduction]

Thanks for the guide! Did you notice that the ROC DS shows 0.8 of SCU when mining, just like the regular ROC? Is it a bug or am I stupid?

[@RedMonsterSC]

I haven't checked if that capacity number is true to what can actually be stored. I'm general, I transfer the stored gems after each cluster so capacity isn't much of an issue.

[@ethno7465]

@@RedMonsterSC might be smarter to transfer anyway since my roc despawned yesterday with 60/80 cScu full of Hadanite

[@uFinSideProduction]

@@RedMonsterSC Thanks for your reply! Do you have to drag/drop the gems one by one or is there a faster way?

[@ItzAllMine360]

You can just fly to mining outpost and sell directly from the roc now right?

[@RedMonsterSC]

That's correct! Although, You may need to pull the ROC out of your transport ship if it doesn't show up.

[@ItzAllMine360]

@@RedMonsterSC okay cheers.

[@eduuu795]

Hi awsome video how do I put all rocks together so I can load to the ship or faster

[@RedMonsterSC]

That's a bug that started in patch 3.15. There isn't a workaround that I'm aware of, so manually moving rocks between inventories is going to be a pain. You can take more frequent trips back to an Outpost to sell if you start filling up quickly.

[@georgegrover37]

Is there a fix coming for when the ROC Proper overheats? And does the ROC DS have the same overheating problem? If it does not I may use that. When it overheats, I cannot finish mining and it is a struggle to get the ROC back into the ship. I have lost lots of Spacebucks due to this problem.

[@NikolaiMihailov1]

I've tried a Tepillo(A Rated Civ cooler) and two Defiants(B rated indy powerplants) and you're still 116 power short to keep the ROC/ROC DS going. After some time the Roc's power plant will shut down(about half a load I've found) and the cooler and powerplants are cooked. I just had that happen and spent around 20 minutes offloading the ROC into my armor. I've noticed it's around 3/4th full when the Roc craps out.

[@zabumafu7037]

All of the minerals in my ROC are represented by a single until of that material. Is there a way to bundle them into stacks at this time?

[@RedMonsterSC]

The stacked gemstones is a known bug in the latest build. That will make things harder to transfer between inventory groups, but the gems are still being collected and stored.

[@LowJackAP]

how buggy is mining nowadays worth grinding for a graycat?

[@scottybhoy8375]

have they took out the roc ds from stores in game?

[@RedMonsterSC]

The ROC-DS should be able to be purchased at New Deal in Lorville. I don't think it can be rented, but it will at least be there.

[@jimpeoples7217]

is there a way to re- fuel a roc in the field -

[@RedMonsterSC]

The ROC doesn't really need fuel. You're likely overheating it. This happens when you break multiple rocks in a row before extracting, so make it a habit to extract after every rock!

[@Zadial]

My connie does not show what the rock is :( I have to land and check with the ROC 😞

[@RedMonsterSC]

You should be able to spot the colored ribbons of the rock by holding F and scrolling in with the mouse wheel.

[@Gaorkem]

Hey. Is it normal that the hadanite that I've collected is not stacked and split one by one? I find it extremely painful to transfer to my ship or to my backpack. Is there a auto stacking or transfer all shortcut?

[@RedMonsterSC]

Unfortunately they aren't stacking right now. CIG confirmed that it's a known issue they are working on fixing.

[@Gaorkem]

@@RedMonsterSC Oh got it. Thank you very much for your quick response mate. I have found the video really really helpful and well done. Thanks for everything and have a great day!

[@vgames1543]

Could I unload the ROC and fill my ships cargo bay up, to sell everything straight from my ship?

[@RedMonsterSC]

While possible it would take quite a while (multiple days?). You'd be running the risk of losing it all due to a ship crash so its probably a good idea to sell at least at the end of the session.

[@vgames1543]

@@RedMonsterSC okay, understandable.

[@kachowbltch3585]

can a nomad carry a ROC? it seems a bit small to carry rovers but the pickup style makes me think it maybe could

[@RedMonsterSC]

If you back it into the cargo bed, it can barely hang on, but it kind of fits.

[@darkheartkain]

A ROC can, but the DS does not.

[@Dead-Sea]

what ship are you showing at 3:00, thanks

[@RedMonsterSC]

That's a Mercury Star Runner

[@Bapll]

Hi. How do you get the freecam footage with no UI for your videos?

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hi, you can use the advanced camera controls to get third person views, and then position the camera so the ship is out of the way.

[@Bapll]

@@RedMonsterSC Thanks a lot. You're a great content creator 😄

[@Eriodas]

Aren't you the guy from the Warhammer 40k Dawn of War tutorial?

[@RedMonsterSC]

Unfortunately not. I don't have much experience in the Warhammer universe, but maybe that's a future career path?

[@dt9233]

😁💯❤👍

[@zohar1309]

What about hand held mining? There are exist in caves and in asteroids fields.

[@RedMonsterSC]

Not to worry! Here's a full video on that - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH7TmZ2Ir56XncU You can also see the entire series on this playlist - kzbin.info/aero/PLMd2J1iNJCMeRTQ6z3IryoICCKVwVCEdz

[@stevegriffiths4954]

I bought the greycat roc with in game currency "twice" 😒🤷‍♂️ but it won't respawn! ... any ideas anyone? 😒

[@RedMonsterSC]

You need to pull it at a location where ground vehicles can be retrieved. Lorville gates, the New Babbage ground entrance, and any outpost with a platinum bay building.

[@ciaheadoffice5506]

how to stack the gems :o

[@RedMonsterSC]

Hey, this comment has come up a few times. That feature is not currently working.

[@OldSchoolGamer187]

Went through 2 tanks of hyd fule on aberdean zero gems went to daymar filled up hadanite 40mins and no suit needed.

[@billkranz8035]

Yep 2 35 minute sessions on Aberdeen no gems seen. Moving to Daymar.

[@rubitoblondie]

Sadly ROC mining is a no go at the moment as the ROC will not suck up the broken down gems.Time to wait for next patch update.

[@RedMonsterSC]

It may just be collecting them slowly. That been a known thing in 3.15. the good news is 3.15.1 drops within an hour from now.

[@chewy1161]

@@RedMonsterSC sadly no fix in 3.15.1

[@Tayhealz]

How profitable is this? I've been running vhrt bounty groups with my connie for like 65k AUEC every 10-15 min or so, would roc mining be more or less?

[@RedMonsterSC]

You can make around 100k per hour or maybe a little more. I did 3 hours of ROC mining during my most recent stream and collected 220k uec worth of gemstones. I could have probably made more but I was splitting that with another ROC Operator and chatting with stream a lot.

[@Tayhealz]

@@RedMonsterSC okay, so probably not as much as bounty hunting, but it could be a good change of pace if i get bored of pve

[@marnoviljoen4632]

Convenietly blurring the Hadanite selling total. 🙄

[@RedMonsterSC]

Ouch.. the new pembroke helmet has a bit of a ridge there which caused some blurring. You can see the total value on the bottom left of the screen. This was a shorter mining run just to grab a couple of shots though. ;)