oh my goodness this is fascinating to see one In Person, I've been reading about these all week! 🤩🤩
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Oooh, any insight on the flippy flappies?
@cassievanbrunt77913 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets nothing to back up my thought with, but when I saw the fold up "flappies", i immediately thought a hoop shirt might have buttoned there to decrease what was around the waist.
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
@@cassievanbrunt7791 That's a good thought--but this corset dates to about 30 years after the hoopskirt went out of fashion.
@ameliegonissen71543 жыл бұрын
More info on the “Oktis”shield: The packaging says “doubles your corsets life time” “number 2, for corsets above 60cm” (above as in longer than) The shield itself say “Zaroïde supports, does not rust” (Zaroïde must have been the name given to the alloy they were using for the baleen to make it sound more fancy than it actually is, adds still use that strategy currently of using overly scientific names for common things to make them sound advanced, because I can’t find other mentions of it except for a corset being backed by an “oktis” shield in Paris) “Attach by sewing on the lines...... do not stop the extremities of the baleen” (the Paris shield mentioned above is a bit more specific here saying “Attachez cette bandelette marquée à l'intérieur du corset / Les extrémités des baleines doivent rester entièrement libres". Meaning “attach the marked strips inside the corset/ the extremities of the baleens need to stay fully free”, so you were not supposed to sew down the extremities, just the dotted lines, probably because it’s inside another layer of baleen and the ends of it need to be free to stretch in and out a bit when it’s bend one way or another. If you don’t understand what I mean, try putting 2 metallic rulers against each other, you’ll see the ends will slide a bit when you bend them)
@mond50043 жыл бұрын
My suspicion is that the tabs secured the cords for hip and bum pads in place as these would still have been worn under sport petticoats and skirts of the late Victorian and early Edwardian periods. Because this corset style is already quite bulky at the waist, and it is so short (effectively ending at the top of the hip), the silhouette would still be maintained by securing the pads below the relatively high waist of the corset.
@lauraoergel60033 жыл бұрын
Agree, my thinking is the tabs would be for sport (low hip) crinolones or extra petticoats
@GM-qq1wi Жыл бұрын
That makes sense. I couldn't wrap my mind around it and thought maybe they could be used to hike up a skirt or something
@cincocats3203 жыл бұрын
I hope you eventually add a pattern for the sports corset to your offerings. It is exactly what I want for everyday wear. And I love that it is short waisted. A great find!
@SPAMCAN293 жыл бұрын
The P and S is a corset making company. Underpinning museum has a lot of high def images of their advertisement material which I have waded through in the past
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Yep, someone shared the link and also a link to a great one at the V&A :)
@stevezytveld65853 жыл бұрын
Shout out to your awesome Mail Man/human picking up things in the snow. The snaps remind me of a very old over-stuffed-down-filled sleeping bag my parents had - whatever was attached to the corset must have had a substantial weight to need that many points of connection. Plus the side tabs appear to be there so the wearer could scooch in and pull the corset down into position. This is fascinating. Especially the replacement bone shields - our grandparents were smarter than we are. Thank you for sharing! All the very best of the season. And may 2021 be full of joy, laughter, dancing, socializing safely without masks and creativity. Take care. Stay safe. Thank you for the corset patterns... - Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown
@ShannonMakes3 жыл бұрын
Oh, I've just spent the last two weeks researching Sports Corsets (mostly the Good Sense Waist) in preparation for constructing one myself, and I just now found your video! Great video :-)
@silvergypsylady3 жыл бұрын
I had read about the Otis stay shields awhile ago. I hadn't really thought about "breaking a rib", as a stay before you mentioned it here. That makes sense. I always thought when I read that women would break ribs wearing corsets that they must be in very poor health. Quite a misconception. I'm becoming more educated on historical clothing thanks to you and other members in the community of historical clothing. Thanks so much for sharing.
@TealCheetah3 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to that mail carrier for sure!
@eleonore598303 жыл бұрын
The corset shield writing reads to 'fix it by sewing on the marks'
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, thank you!
@eleonore598303 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets more like 'attach' than fix, sorry haha
@mfg23243 жыл бұрын
and below it sais: do not cut off the tips of the bones :)
@kendy44253 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets it said imported from england, dose not rust, fix by sewing on the lines, do not stop the ends of the baleins. I dont know about the Zairoïde but it would be how they called the material.
@chee32103 жыл бұрын
The sports corset feels very comparable to an early bra....and it looks quite comfortable
@TheSameYellowToy3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Star of David is in the logo because it might be a Jewish-owned brand? I don't know about other countries, but I know in Germany and Austria, the vast majority (like at least 80-90%) of people in the garment industry pre-WW2 were Jewish. (For a very long time in those countries, there were anti-Semitic laws dictating what careers Jewish people were allowed to have, and the garment industry was one of the few fields they were legally allowed to go into.) There's a really interesting book about the Jewish garment industry in Germany/Austria pre-WW2 and the effects the Holocaust had on it, it's called "Broken Threads: The Destruction of the Jewish Fashion Industry in Germany and Austria".
@AE-ld9ck3 жыл бұрын
That sports corset is very interesting. I used to figure skate and I love looking at older images and film of skating around the early 1900s, so it’s fascinating to get an idea of what kind of garment would have been worn for sports like that. I wonder if a skirt or under layer could have been rigged in a way to make a sort of transitional skirt/bloomer, like adding a loop or small openings that could be secured to those flaps somehow? Like in case of the wearer falling or something, so they didn’t show anything underneath. 🤔
@ukehimesama3 жыл бұрын
I love these interesting corsets. If there was one corset I could magically procure it would be the margaine lacroix corsets. I think they where made from a silk jersey fabric, in one of the adverts the model is bending backwards.
@melmelhodgepodge38002 жыл бұрын
I know that the Symington Corset Company did have a lot of competitor's garments in their collections.
@SPAMCAN293 жыл бұрын
Also another thing I noted: the hight measures from waist to bust point and to side point are exactly those of modern professional tutu/ballet corsets. I heard you say the measurements and thought, that isn't short... Hopefully this blasted indefinite shut down of the theatre will soon be circumvented
@TheMaggieMia3 жыл бұрын
Abby Cox is so envious of your Worth Dress, and I am amazed by it!
@stevemaddern30653 жыл бұрын
Tabs may be to attach a special petticoat that would stay in place during activity and not shimmy down?
@BurnleyandTrowbridge3 жыл бұрын
This is truly fascinating! I am now obsessed with wanting to know what the button tabs are for!
@user-zl6vz3ej7x3 жыл бұрын
Please develop a pattern and put it up on your shop! Pretty please!
@Sestra_Prior3 жыл бұрын
Yep, you got Leicester spot on :) Could the tabs have been to connect it to a panty-girdle type arrangement, thus allowing movement in the middle, but keeping everything else well compressed? Perhaps Cathy Hay might know :)
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Possibly, but the way they button to themselves is quite strange if it's meant to attach to something else.
@Sestra_Prior3 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets perhaps the channel formed by the fastening could hold a loop of cord, or is it too narrow? (this is where I wish I could draw a picture here, because I am doing a rubbish job of explaining in words!)
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
You could definitely run a cord through it. It's so odd--and it's one of those things where if we could see the other piece, it would immediately make complete sense!
@Sestra_Prior3 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets Best keep our fingers crossed then that someone sees this and has a eureka moment, then retrieves the missing bit from their attic!
@stevezytveld65853 жыл бұрын
@@Sestra_Prior Fingers crossed for happy interweb accidents...
@eman42333 жыл бұрын
I cannot thank you enough for helping me fulfill my thirst for this very specific hyperfixation 🥰
@a.k.v.30423 жыл бұрын
I'm completely intrigued. Looking at the adverts for Khiva corselets, they talk about sporting, but also talk about how they are also good for invalids and nursing, as in nursing your baby, not caring for the ill or infirm. Maybe the tabs with the buttons hook into a separate shape wear girdle for post pregnancy?
@shonitagarcia32223 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. What unique treatures. Happy Holidays!
@alibabafurball3 жыл бұрын
I think the tabs were used to attach something similar to this at Ryerson www.ryerson.ca/content/dam/fashionresearchcollection/PDFsAltText/The_Reversible_Player_Sports_Bustle.pdf
@user-xe7dj2gz7x3 жыл бұрын
Here's a comment for the algorithm :)
@iraisrose3 жыл бұрын
Yeah 😎 to boosting the algorithm
@TheGabygael3 жыл бұрын
"The "Oktis" Shield imported from England Support made out of Zairoid that doesn't rust Set it by sewing on the dots, do not set the ends" i don't know what Zairoid is but i would guess some alloy made in Zaire and the sentences sound a bit odd to me and the writing of the word Suppors, unless the writing has changed in the last century or it was some corsetry slang, makes me think that the branding was done in England as well
@LydiaAshley3 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is awesome!
@janehollander19343 жыл бұрын
Zairoide is indeed metal 👌🏻. The Victoria & Albert Museum in London has a whole discription posted on their website m.vam.ac.uk/collections/item/O293492/packaging-for-corset-william-pretty-son/ on the "Oktis". 👋🏻 from The Netherlands
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks for the link!
@janehollander19343 жыл бұрын
Dear@@RedthreadedCorsets , you are very welcome. William Pretty senior (from Pretty & Son) was a strict Wesleyan Methodist - so that's probably where their ✡️ David Star, in their logo, comes from. Found an interesting article on an online local British Newspaper. Where their famous W&P Corset making imperium was ruled from 😊. www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/lecture-at-festival-of-fabric-in-felixstowe-2858624
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Aha! Great info!
@nurmihusa77803 жыл бұрын
@@janehollander1934 What a delightful story to read! Thank you!
@janehollander19343 жыл бұрын
@@nurmihusa7780, you are do very welcome. I loved it as well, and thought I'd share it with others who are interested in History - particularly on this very subject. ✌🏻😊
@mfg23243 жыл бұрын
4:10 snow!!! That is so interesting, thank you for sharing!! PS: I'm currently making my very first corset with one of your patterns and I'm very pleased with the fit (of the mockup by now) and the instructions :)
@mfg23243 жыл бұрын
PPS: great discussions in the comments so far!
@curiouslywoven97373 жыл бұрын
Could the non metal boning be feather boning? Seems to have been popular with the Ferris sports waists.
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Possibly! I’ll take another close look to see if there are any open spots in the stitching where I can sneak a peek at it.
@mond50043 жыл бұрын
Cane would be another possibility.
@elizabethclaiborne64613 жыл бұрын
Between the Outdoor Girl show coming and my own mid ‘90’s projects I’ve been looking for sport corsets, I knew they had to exist and have seen mention of them. Very glad to see this, the date is right and the style seems right. It’s so teeny I wonder if it’s a sales sample though. Isn’t it child sized?
@lauraoergel60033 жыл бұрын
my thinking is the tabs would be for sport (low hip) crinolones or extra petticoats
@Sestra_Prior3 жыл бұрын
It does occur to me that if this corset had another part intended to be used with it, then it would surely have been mentioned in the advertisements for same? Like you, I have done some internet research (which included the discovery that Portmeirion pottery used the advert on some of their china!), and I cannot see any of the adverts pictured include any indication of another part, which you would have thought they would had done...which I guess only adds to the mystery....
@KbatzReviews3 жыл бұрын
Are the tabs and buttons to hike up a petticoat for the activity? Gasp get that hem out of the way to free the legs for riding or cycling? Not like today's sassy steampunk ruffles but a polite, discreet fold up instead of a lady having to tuck her hem up in a waistband? 🤔
@KissMyFrog423 жыл бұрын
Would the patent documents have an explanation of the tabs and their function?
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Ohh probably! I haven't had a chance to find them myself yet. I need a research clone!
@KissMyFrog423 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets Don't we all!
@azadehsalehian7782 Жыл бұрын
Hi do you have any corset pattern drafting class?
@oldsof693 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about steel bones breaking for a while now, but every time it's mentioned it seems to kind of be glossed over, but I have so many questions. Like, is it painful? Is it super rare and only happens in daily wear of corsets? Is this why spiral steel boning is a thing? But mostly, IS IT PAINFUL?
@wa49203 жыл бұрын
Health corset's www.sewhistorically.com/edwardian-health-corset-good-sense-corset-waist/ The one constructed in this post doesn't look like your's, but the historic references she uses may help with figuring out what all the components of yours may be for? There is some mention of wrinkling without boning being normal and expected. The wrinkling is said to be reduced by the "gentle pressure of the garters, which are fastened to the direct front and sides, just as they are to all corsets" (the different literary references she uses are unfamiliar to me, me being very very new to this. But I thought it might help?)
@misswazzra3 жыл бұрын
Is there a picture of Betty White on you Juki? I need to know!
@RedthreadedCorsets3 жыл бұрын
Haha it's actually Lucille Bluth from Arrested Development!
@misswazzra3 жыл бұрын
@@RedthreadedCorsets hahaha that’s even better
@ReisigSeeds3 жыл бұрын
This is the most “bra-like” of any of the older corsets I’ve seen.