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[@insertname2035]

Tories have had absolute power over the country for over a decade and yet somehow they have the audacity to blame the dreadful state of this country on people who've just arrived.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

There's been a lot of world wide trouble covid etc for governmentbto deal with. Costvof living crises world wide and energy prices . Also worldvwide regarding covid labourvwanted more lockdowns or don't y.remrmber thst

[@robmoore396]

​@@tenniskinsella7768 - for what portion of the last 13 years or so?

[@cinderball1135]

@@tenniskinsella7768 Ah yes, it's "worldwide trouble". Weird how we apparently didn't have any problems with that before 2010 rolled around.

[@johnegan8830]

And labour

[@ignoranceisbliss6259]

​@@TOM-TOM-TOMhey Tom, lovely to see you here! Hope you're keeping well. But I have to ask, how are the tories facilitating the asylum seekers arriving here?

[@ThomasKing19933]

Instead of blaming people in boats, we should be talking about the irreparable damage the tories have done to this country.

[@BadlydrawnBen]

So this crisis is nothing to do with Blair an his 20 year war

[@abegarfield7031]

Tories will never take responsibility for their actions.

[@ricky7396]

It's been noting but recession, cuts and austerity for the British people for years. Now its accepting thousands from around the globe costing us millions a day. Don't care what party caused it. Fact is these un invited boat people will bankrupt us and or tear the country apart.

[@allip4226]

​@@abegarfield7031 You're absolutely right, yet they still love lecturing everyone else to "take personal responsibility"! I can't imagine the level of mental gymnastics it must take for them to justify being such hypocrites to themselves.

[@ravd8082]

and forget about the £7 million a day its costing the taxpayers , forget about the people coming legally , it harder to get a visa legally than come here illegally, they are coming from france btw what are they escaping

[@EdDueim]

Braverman accepted that asylum seekers arriving by boat were not illegal, but only in front of a select committee where lying would have consequences.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

And did the BBC show that clip on the nightly news? I doubt it...

[@JamesMc2051]

Yes. The answer to his first question is (in her case) that it's deliberate and malevolent. An attempt to shift the national consciousness and control the narrative and rhetoric. If anyone dug into their handling of the department, the cuts to staff (and resulting backlog and, therefore, resulting accommodation costs), and the reversal of several fast-track schemes that would allow us to process claims faster (as per Germany wrt Albania) then they'd see how every problem has a cause, and the vast majority is due to those in charge. I'm left wing. I live in an area of the UK where the population has remained constant since WW2 (but older, on average, so with a smaller workforce) and we have job vacancies galore and staff shortages. We actually need immigration for our economy in my part of the country. But if I was right-wing, living somewhere that the population has increased a lot (like the SE) , then I'd still realise that whatever the Tories say about fixing this issue, their actions in government don't seem to be the ones of someone trying to fix it. They have these weird, dubious schemes (Rwanda) but they've undone the basic parts of the system which used to deal with these issues better, A cynic might think they are purposefully letting it all happen so they can then point at the symptoms (people in boats), talk tough about fixing it, getting voted back in (somehow!) and sitting on their hands again. It's either that or utter incompetence. And you find that through most of the departments. The right wingers ought to stop listening to what they promise and start looking at how they govern, and the results of that governance. We should be able to find some consensus (outside the Tory loyalists) between left and right and that consensus should be ''these clowns can't run anything'' and the change between now and when they came to power should indicate that to even the most ostrich-like.

[@ppo2424]

They ARE illegal they entered the country illegally.FACT.

[@EdDueim]

@@ppo2424 Well, I might have doubted you, but upper case is an unanswerable argument.

[@normankennith7919]

all asylum seekers should notify the coast guard before coming to britain, other wise it is an illegal journey!!! not arriving in another country without the right documentation is not legal!!!

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Enemy's Of The People was used by a German far right newspaper in the 1930s. The Tory Party has used this line, it is direct anyone claiming otherwise does not know history or is trying to deflect.

[@greamespens1460]

They also gave the weather forecast.

[@jim122]

@@greamespens1460 what has that got to do with anything?

[@abegarfield7031]

@@greamespens1460 Which is also consistently wrong.

[@artnull13]

I guess they’re trying to really earn the moniker ‘Nazty Party’

[@cujimmi]

When did they use this line.. And about who?

[@vh4504]

JAMES. if you look at history of your country, USA and the world. This comes around about every 80 years when after the 2nd generation dies off that has the memories and it's imprinted in them from the horrors what is done like in the 30's and 40's . Like the nazis did when they were in control in the thirties , The people forget and that they think that it can't and it not so bad. It all can happen, it will happen and it is going to happen again . we have to continue to speak out James and thank you for you speaking out

[@ukqwerty999]

People are pretty dumb in general, the crazies online show how ridiculous they've become. Wonder if it'll be the germans who forget first and that superiority complex just pop's up to the surface as they kick it off for a 3rd time🤓

[@JJVernig]

You describe exactly my big fear. Hopefully they are trying to early, and we can backtrack. Also helped by the international treaties from just after ww2. Just speak out, and keeping speaking out.

[@owenokane9643]

No. Not in this case. It was the English geriatric population who voted for Brexit, for the sole reason to get rid of the foreigners. You would really think they out of everyone would know better.

[@rogerwood4846]

dare yo to spot a Jew in ANY BOAT

[@ukqwerty999]

@@owenokane9643 You think brexit happened because 75 year olds wanted less foreign people in the UK ....... lol .....how very simplistic

[@jonathanwetherell3609]

The technique is well established. Identify a group as being a threat to citizens. Talk up the rhetoric on them and raise fears and hate. Describe them as other, as lesser and them imply they are sub human. You are then able to imprison them just for being members of that group. Now they have no rights you can dispose of them as you wish. Many have used it, many still do.

[@kevinnorthfield5097]

Wake up and see what is going on around you.

[@HarryFlowerrs]

Identify a group? Make sure they’re of colour!

[@julielevinge266]

How come you & I can see this yet people are defending this terrifying behaviour that is leading to the most nightmare situation imaginable!!

[@tohellorbarbados7119]

@@kevinnorthfield5097 That IS what is going on around you...

[@martinaklee-webster1276]

Exactly, just like in Germany in the 30th. Truth is Truth.

[@JelloTR]

I used to be proud to be English. I’m ashamed of this country now. What this government stands for is abhorrent and the damage they have done to our reputation on the world stage will likely never be repaired.

[@rogerwood4846]

stuff world reputation...LOOK AFTER OUR OWN FIRST

[@23merlino]

@@rogerwood4846 - and what is your contribution to 'looking after our own first', for example do you do any voluntary work eg; at a foodbank etc..? if not then stuff you too...

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

@@23merlino If Roger in indigenous to this country or his family goes back generations here, then by the simple fact of paying taxes etc, is more than enough contribution to the looking after of "our own".

[@w-james9277]

I stopped being a patriot in 2016 when this country abandoned reason and compromise for nationalist madness!

[@mikeymoo1291]

@@rogerwood4846 if Brexit has told us anything it's that reputation and looking after our own first amount to pretty much the same thing.

[@szeevster5767]

My father’s family lost innumerable members thanks to 1. the Germans and 2. attitudes like those held by Mrs. Braverman and her heartless fellow travelers. You have expressed the tragic situation perfectly, James.

[@middleman9183]

comparing the two is risible nonsense

[@asmith6647]

The danger came from a national socialist party in Germany in the 1930s - be careful what you wish for at the next GE.

[@petergaskin1811]

@@middleman9183 How so? Ms Braverman is the absolute epitome of hauling the ladder up behind her.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

@@middleman9183 It's the same hate speech, dehumanising people.

[@EDD-xr4ub]

​@@middleman9183 how would you know this better than the one that lost relatives because of nazy? Did you lost anyone because of nazy like this man lost? What makes your opinion more worthy of being taken into account than what this man said?

[@martinstevens5892]

James, did you catch the bit where Braverman said in the commons that the refugees are drug smugglers?

[@jensen5052]

Red meat..

[@Paul-eb4jp]

She needs to be challenged on that and made to provide evidence.

[@realhorrorshow8547]

Why would drug cartels use mules who are going straight into the hands of Border Force and the Home Office? Just put the stuff in a shipping container and send it to a UK port, we've had no import checks since brexit. Nor are there any plans to introduce them. They've been postponed four times already.

[@danmayberry1185]

Hmm, someone else used that term to describe folks crossing the Mexican border.

[@rogerwood4846]

yeah she missed out they work in car wahses as well...and stand outside schools

[@daviddevoy2197]

I have witnessed Tory MPs argue with BBC journalists, telling them asylum seekers are illegal. Why does Srarmer not call them out on it? He seems to be afraid it will cost him votes.

[@petergaskin1811]

Softly softly catchee monkey.

[@chatham43]

.....because he knows it is illegal...that's why....given his legal background he would know...

[@jonchapman4448]

@@chatham43 What law are they breaking then, Einstein?

[@daviddevoy2197]

@@chatham43 Starmer knows it is not illegal. But he knows he would lose vofes pointing this out. A man who is not going to let the truth stand in the way of his bid for power.

[@heidifuller9964]

@@chatham43 Explain the legal method to claim asylum in the UK then.... Ppl can't get on a plane or a boat and they need to be in the UK to claim asylum.

[@martinstevens5892]

Daily Mail, 1938. The original hostile environment

[@IntelligentArtefact]

Yes. it's becoming the fault of that nice Theresa May, isn't it.

[@peterparker219]

Great comment by James O'Brien and so wonderful to remind of Daily Mail headlines and tory rhetoric of the 1930s which are 100% identical to what the government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is writing in their bill and commenting on it today. It's a shame !

[@judyparsons1333]

Daily mail great paper

[@DarkDreams685]

​@@judyparsons1333 I prefer toilet paper, but if we're all out I guess I could find some use for the DM

[@offlimits4635]

@@judyparsons1333 it is a vile right wing rag

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

1930s Daily Mail?....... And the USA Democrat Party were those that enslaved Africans and later introduced segregation in the American South.

[@judyparsons1333]

@@offlimits4635 better than the leftie guardian or mirror

[@nickryder9669]

Leaky Sue at a select committee said it is legal to set foot on Uk soil and claim asylum you can cross as many countries or continents to get hear ! Dated 22-11-2022 ! The question was asked by a fellow Tory MP !

[@ospreyphil8995]

She said THE answer, not HER answer

[@JediRavz86]

Its funny how some ppl from an empire built on colonisation are this afraid of foreigners

[@rufusharbud3673]

Completely agree....Well my friend it is simple... British colonise, take over and steal all their resources and wealth of that country. While making all of the people of that country to work as slaves for the British Empire, while we were there. Then after years of ( we have got as much as we can from here) Leave to go back to a Tory club in London to say how bad all the foreigners are...While sipping Tea from India, saying how great our British cup of tea is. Exploits from a world of their own making.

[@silondon9010]

So 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants are not allowed a opinion on immigration?

[@italianstallion9170]

the poor, vast majority working class of this country did not create any colonies nor did they oppress anyone, yet they are the ones to suffer from illegal immigrant.

[@alexanderthompson683]

​@@italianstallion9170 they are not illegal immigrants, it is not illegal to come to any country and claim asylum,

[@Jamie_Mc_1982]

It's funny how ppl who are afraid of foreigners weren't born when Empires were built through colonisation, yet there's people like you.

[@rewdwarf123]

I'm struggling to think how Albanians coming here can be classed as 'refugees'. Even Albania has taken in Ukrainian refugees.

[@karthikj8969]

As per international laws ? They are until their refugee application is denied. The bigger problem is they will throw away their passports well before entering UK . So you won’t have any legal ways to return them back .

[@glyngasson8450]

They're not, the government has an agreement to send Albanians straight back to their home country

[@rewdwarf123]

@@glyngasson8450 You know fine well what he meant,

[@glyngasson8450]

@@rewdwarf123 he said that Albania wasn't a dangerous country, implying that everybody in boats are from there, and they aren't

[@rewdwarf123]

@@glyngasson8450 One third of them are. Isn't that large enough?

[@juliewake4585]

Oh my goodness James, this is horrifying. I, like you, am appalled by the number of times I hear people talk about “illegals”.

[@jeffsimon9594]

Stop taking the p1ss outta this talk radio legend

[@chatham43]

....they are entering a sovereign country illegally...James can spin it as much as he feels he has to but that's the reality....

[@john.premose]

I absolutely hate that expression. To my ears it is a slur and we should treat it the same way we view other slurs and make it socially unacceptable. I don't accept it when I hear somebody refer to people that way in real life conversation. I view it as a very disrespectful and derogatory term and I have no hesitation to call people out for saying it.

[@ravd8082]

so you want open borders, they are coming from france

[@Kraken54321]

😂

[@federicoprice2687]

James, thank you for your chillingly perceptive and accurate synopsis of the tyrrany of "Stop the Boats". I simply do NOT recognise the country that we are now being forcibly turned into. Having served 32 years in the Armed Forces, including in some horrific circumstances in Northern Ireland, the Gulf, Croatia, Bosnia and Iraq, with plenty of experience in dealing with refugees and displaced and wounded victims of war and tyrrany, I am truly ashamed - yes, ashamed - of the country I once loyally served. I would never be able to fulfil my obligations to the Crown and my country under the mandate of an odious "government" such as we are burdened with at the moment. And to think that I used to vote Conservative. But never, ever, again. Ever.

[@davidbrittain3212]

I wish you and other posters on this forum would get some perspective - of course the situation at the moment is appalling but why would that make you be ashamed of the whole country? It's a bunch of bone headed, idiot politicians at the top that are responsible for this mess, not the vast majority of the population for goodness sake. I'm still and always will be proud to be English but I hate what this Govt. are doing at present, which won't last forever.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The amount of troll comments is amazing you see very similar things across all these accounts as well, almost most of them don't exist.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Bots and sock puppets, KZbin is riddled with them. I report them and block them, so I never see their comments again.

[@ThePixey1000]

Oh please your Bias si so obviously I am proud to have an open mind.

[@paulcrombie9623]

You said it all James, thanks, it just shows what monsters are running this country

[@nick1065]

Monsters? 😂 They can’t be that bad if folk are risking their lives to get here🤥

[@rogerwood4846]

and more monsters in antifa

[@silondon9010]

The fascists of the future will call themselves anti fascists

[@paulcrombie9623]

@@nick1065 I mean the monsters that run the UK now, not the ones who are running for their lives!

[@rfuzzybearx1792]

🤡🤡

[@bluejayway26]

Astute and chilling. More people need to hear this, to understand what footing we are in.

[@chatham43]

....about as chilling as a chilli con carne....😊

[@hansj5846]

Do people think a dissident in South Sudan or Afghanistan can just apply for a passport and then board a plane to Heathrow? The stupidity is staggering

[@Thoughts_from_a_Small_Island]

Too many members of the Conservative Cabinet seem to forget their own or Parents backgrounds as they are economic immigrants to the UK. The best analogy I can think of is shutting the door on the shelter once you and your friends have got in. What every person who supports this policy should remember is that the vast majority of our ancestors either recently or in the distant past were immigrants into this country. Perhaps those families who can traced their back to the Ancient Britains should have an uprising and send the rest of us to a SAFE country such as Rwanda. Am I being silly, perhaps but then I didn’t start it.

[@zoebeser1308]

Yes! This totally makes my blood boil. One moment these "pillars" of govt are crowing about the success they have because their parents/grandparents were welcomed when they fled persecution, with the next breath demonising others doing the same. If the "rules" they set now were applied to their families..... how many would have been successful in gaining asylum...... Ummmmm???? It's utterly shameful

[@sandropaulo4776]

James is spot on

[@middleman9183]

he never is - much too biased

[@petyrkowalski9887]

He is spot on..stating facts

[@nick1065]

Facts my arris. Bigotry and bile ridden prejudice is more accurate

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

They are facts in his head. Just ask Frank Lampard.

[@stephenpockley5665]

Said nobody with a brain ever

[@davecap2641]

Ignore history and it will repeat itself. Even a casual look at the 30s must see the dangerous, not to say disgusting path that these deplorable torys are taking us.

[@silondon9010]

The National Socialists you mean

[@chatham43]

.....but a serious look at thirties Germany would show you are talking tosh.....

[@davecap2641]

@@chatham43 So the Nazis did not dictate the media, they did not demonise a section of the people, it did not expel or put them in prison camps ( and yes I know the Brits introduced concentration camps in the Boer War) we look at history in a different way.

[@chatham43]

....are you being deliberately obtuse....it you are you're doing a grand job....

[@MultiCugel]

and yet they still keep getting elected.

[@mahmed4581]

Stop the people smugglers. Apply human rights to stop this fortune making smugglers.

[@mylarus]

We've had these attitudes here in Australia for over 2 decades. It plays well to the fears of the ignorant which translate into votes and allows politicians to obsfucate their failures elsewhere.

[@aleph8888]

The facts of paying thousands of pounds to a transnational criminal organisation’s effort to smuggle people into the United Kingdom doesn’t fit the narrative, and that’s the most important thing.

[@lemongrabloids3103]

Please never stop telling it like it is James. If there’s anything left of humanity in the future they need to be aware that there were people who saw this for what it was.

[@chatham43]

....oh thank you....thank you.....thank you....!

[@Dynasty1818]

For what it is? A burden on us tax payers and a worsening of housing and food shortages. Wake up.

[@palerider955]

Like he "thinks" it is.

[@Aubury]

Nail on the head James.. So well expressed.

[@nick1065]

There’s quite a few here who would love to be first putting that nail in Aubury Strawberry.

[@chatham43]

....change the tune Audrey.....

[@buttyboy100]

I like James OBrien's stand against the Tories and fascism in general, but I will never forgive him for jumping on the establishment anti-Corbyn bandwagon the way he did. If Corbyn was in power now we would be living in a fairer, gentler society and my blood pressure would be a lot lower!

[@spankflaps1365]

We’ve already had 6 months of Channel crossings rammed down our throats. And it’s all you’re gonna hear for the next year or so.

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

@This Oldhammer the economy has already failed - it's been nonexistent ever since the foundation of fiscal debt. Now it's merely a buzzword to quell the puppets on both sides of the debate.

[@realhorrorshow8547]

Well, no-one among our political masters dares to mention the elephant in the room. So scapegoat-hunting is the only game in town.

[@howardosborne8647]

It is the most convenient distraction tool in the Gory Tory tool box. A more foul collegiate than this lot would be hard to imagine

[@23merlino]

exactly... general election coming in 2024 so they've got to get in early to get the blood of the gullible proportion of society well and truly cooking at boiling point so they'd even vote for tory in their sleep...

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

@@realhorrorshow8547 they're a symptom and partially the cause. Both sides of that chamber echo the issue with the country. Ironically people think they're actually opposed.

[@richardboldbrooker6327]

After 13 years of destroying the economy. With a list of horrors that literally made writing this short post too long. Ironically there will be millions of British people looking for political asylum in the near future. Lets hope our European neighbours are not as cruel as the UK immigration laws.

[@chatham43]

....but they will be....

[@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388]

​@@chatham43 and you know this because.....?

[@chatham43]

.....because I am the fountain of all knowledge.....you must know that by now......

[@SuperAltube]

'There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.' Joseph Goebbels

[@rogerwood4846]

your view of normal people is verging on eugenics...would you like all those people you sneer at in a camp?

[@professorpancakes6545]

This use of the word illegal to describe innocent human beings is disgusting.

[@stevedrane2364]

Well done James. . I feel the same way and there are many of us . . Keep exposing these disturbing dispicable individuals. . Why are the beach’s of Normandy filled with the remains of free individuals fighting to stop this . .

[@rogerwood4846]

funny enough they aint free they are paying £8,000 a seat on the boat

[@chatham43]

....but these people are desperate....😊

[@mahmed4581]

How do you know they are genuine assylum seekers? Most of them have no genuine case .

[@bonnie115]

How do you know they aren't genuine? Slightly more than half, when their claim is assessed, were granted asylum in 2018-2020 according to the Government's own figures. Personally, I'd let them all in - if someone and their family want to come here, make a home, work and pay taxes, then I'm all for it.

[@chatham43]

....what families.....?....they're all chancers....it's pretty obvious.....

[@andrewhoult4630]

Well said 👏👏✊

[@nick1065]

💩💨💩💨

[@rfuzzybearx1792]

🤡🤡

[@Kraken54321]

😂

[@ThomasDoubting5]

Americanisation I been watching it go on for decades , America is no model to follow but follow we do .

[@TheMrReee]

The Mail has always been right wing, and always will be, unless people stop buying the paper. We need to have a independent fact checking organisation that's able to hold the media to account when they spread misinformation.

[@danmayberry1185]

The current American culture war tells us no. Neither fact nor logic shifts cult-like adherence to this ideology.

[@alanrobinson-iw7ll]

there is. google full fact. its excellent

[@TheMrReee]

@@danmayberry1185 that's probably true here too, but all we can do is try to counter the misinformation, rather than ignore it.

[@TheMrReee]

@@alanrobinson-iw7ll We know the facts are there, that doesn't stop media outlets like the Mail putting out misinformation, we need a organisation with the reach to be able to counter misinformation. Google although huge, isn't interested in being that entity, they make money no matter the data.

[@ukulelelab4219]

Shame on the tories who voted yes for this bill. The sooner they go the better

[@hurri7720]

Oswald Mosley would be proud of Braverman.

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

The owner of the Daily Mail at that time weren't Conservative though, they were facist and he (Rothermore) also owned the left leaning tabloid The Mirror. O'Brien feeds you a story and you lap it up children.

[@patternrecon5271]

Nice

[@JfK--OBJECTivE]

HATE SPEECH! Hopefully the police will seek a visit!!

[@keir13]

I live in Canada and have been listening to James O’Brien for a short while with only a very limited idea of British politics and I’m so curious to know if there is a Canadian equivalent? Do we have anyone in my country who could so succinctly hold the idiots feet to the fire? If anyone knows and could please let me know that would be wonderful. Thanks!

[@robthomas6450]

I'm a Canadian living in the UK. I'm horrified at what's going on here

[@anglonorse2943]

@@robthomas6450 I'm a Brit living here and also horrified

[@danmayberry1185]

Probably not since 2015, when CBC fired Evan Solomon.

[@rogerwood4846]

james overseas...go on take him

[@bipolarminddroppings]

​@@rogerwood4846 we would rather they take you, but they wouldn't want you.

[@MrRailjunkie]

James you get better all the time. Keep up the great work!

[@Kraken54321]

😂 He keeps getting fatter, that's for sure! 😂🍔🌭🥪🥞🧇🍰

[@nick1065]

Calling echo…echo……echo……..can you hear me…….

[@rahuldahoob]

Lol

[@HenryRaeburn367]

They never where illegal they become illegal immigrants when their claim for asylum has been processed either rejected or granted that's the problem only 4%have been processed until their claim has been processed, they are legally here seeking asylum

[@raymondo6665]

they are illegal. Cheap flights to the UK are available. Passports can be shown at arrival and Asylum claimed. Why do you think immigrants choose the undocumented illegal route and then claim asylum? Answers please on the back of a discarded passport.

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

@@raymondo6665 its not illegal, they are not illegal. Say it till youre blue in the face (please), but it will never be true

[@ryanseager123456789]

@@raymondo6665 Takes 2 seconds to google why people don't fly over. if you don't know by now, you've just chosen ignorance

[@HenryRaeburn367]

@@raymondo6665 there is no illegal way to enter the UK if you're seeking asylum, Braverman was recently answered this question in a select Committee she replied "get to the UK anyway you can that includes crossing the channel" look it up on KZbin educate yourself

[@raymondo6665]

@@ryanseager123456789 ....so Border Force can't send them back? Fair enough.

[@AlejandroMonteagudo]

The difference is that we know of the horrors of the camps in the past and cannot denny it, but can pretend that the Ruhanda camps will be any better and look the other way. Just like people did back then.

[@rogerwood4846]

you know of horror?...that when your battery died on your phone?

[@johnchamberlin5962]

I've been saying this for a few years, illegal immigration is a very small part of immigration. You've also got social immigration economic migration to name a couple, I believe asylum seekers fit into a group in their own right as most come to evade persecution, would rather return home if it was safe, and if they don't oh well not a big problem, Let them stay and become productive citizens here.

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

give them a regulated path to citizenship. they wont, but they should

[@johnchamberlin5962]

@youCANTalwaysGETwhatYOUwant there is a regulated path. It starts with Crossinginto our borders and claim asylum status. it's not illegal to cross if claiming asylum, thus they aren't illegal immigrants. And that starts the process of a regulated pattern.

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Illegal immigration is what is uncontrolled and which affects the citizen at local level especially with regards to housing and school places.

[@johnchamberlin5962]

@Fabienne Mitchell but the content was about asylum seekers not illegal immigrants

[@waynegazard5038]

Thanks James will pass it on I like most people have been brain washed by media to assume boat arrivals illegal immigrants. Question is why hasn't Starmer used this making me a unhappy person and question why.

[@christophe8723]

For the Ukrainian displaced people, remember the EU said if you have a passport, just come, and the UK sent the people waiting in Calais to Paris first to jump through unnecessary loops, just as a reminder.

[@rewdwarf123]

Maybe because they were fleeing a war? The fact that 90% of them are women and children tends to suggest that, because men usually fight in wars. Unless in other countries it''s the woman who fight while the men flee.

[@chatham43]

....dunno what you are talking about.....hope you do otherwise you might have a problem...

[@TP1988]

I guess one key difference is that the person quoted in the Mail in 30s said he’d apply the law to target the most vulnerable; Braverman et al are trying to actively change it to target the most vulnerable.

[@sheryllbarton1701]

Well said James.

[@tomdevlin9274]

If ever there was a piece that clarified Lineker's tweet, it is this vlog. Thank you for providing the evidence.

[@peterl5804]

The legal position is very clear in that people who want to claim asylum can come by any means and routes possible. They are never illegal. The only thing that’s illegal is to prevent them from claiming asylum.

[@chatham43]

....it's illegal to enter a sovereign country illegally...is that clear enough.....

[@lukekey]

No I can't believe it, when and why did we become so hateful of people who need help. If others need help we should help them too.

[@JfK--OBJECTivE]

Why is it mainly 18-30 year olds males (some pretend to be 15) that need help from all these 'war torn' countries?

[@patrickchilds2987]

@@JfK--OBJECTivE i suspect that this age group is the most vulnerable. In Syria men of this age were being press ganged into either IS or the Syrian army to be used as cannon fodder

[@khalidazhar3834]

Patel & Braverman have overseen so called 'legal immigration' of Indian Students accompanied by additional 3-5 dependents over 100,000 single applications, so understating the home office real figures...., over 10,000's of Hong Kong families with cash ready to enter UK, and still 10,000's numerous Chinese students and research assistants under dual co-operation agreements.... whilst still mis-directing attention only to people in dinghy's...... so exactly how did the authorised ones get in? Please Explain....?

[@devka611]

Like Lineker, you're talking for the voiceless, James. Don' stop. When I listened to this on air it gave me hope that all is not lost

[@palerider955]

Lineker? The guy who claims to be brown for attention?

[@mrdaveythebaby]

Someone should take that article and photoship it to change the word Jews to refugees. I wonder if anyone would be able to tell the difference...

[@dougierobertson6358]

I WOULD.. The NAZIS murdered over 6 million people in camps and hundreds and thousands of citizens in their own countries ,plus soldiers,sailors.airmen ...Are you seriously making a comparison to the government of the UK taking up the same position as the NAZIS? You lot including O;BRIEN are absolutely sick in the head, and should hang your heads in shame.shame for the disrespect and injustice being shown to our men and women who died fighting against the tyranny!

[@marblackCanada]

I'm Canadian I bet the First Peoples wish they had the Conservatives and had been able to keep us all out.

[@whowherewhatwhywen]

Do not want to learn from history, evidently. And in some corners, history is not being taught just so that we can forget history all together.

[@IntelligentArtefact]

People are already forgetting and / or denying the holocaust. When they 'forget' the Second World War the Third One will be started, and then the cockroaches take over.

[@bodybalanceU2]

its exactly the same language the tories have taken this from the aussie conservative party playbook which did this 12 years ago under the mad abbot - it failed miserably destroying many lives and now britain want to try it out - SMH

[@stevehanson2398]

52:48% Hilarious! Suella Braverman trained as a barrister, yet she's not only willing to break the law, she doesn't even acknowledge it. Barrister? More like Barista

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Many lawyers believe that Suella Braverman has not broken the law, although some do. This is why there are court cases with lawyers on opposing sides of which a judge adjudicates.

[@stevehanson2398]

@@fabiennemitchell2371 I understand that but the wording of the International Law is clear and reporters have even read it to her and shown it to her in black and white. You don't need to be a judge or lawyer to realise that the new Bill would break the law, you just need to be able to read

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

@@stevehanson2398 Interpretation....you may or may not be correct. If you are, then a sovereign Parliament can 'fix' that breach.

[@stevehanson2398]

@@fabiennemitchell2371 ok

[@chatham43]

.....breaking what Law....even Stalmer isn't calling her out....what does that tell you...?

[@etiennebunbury1285]

She Suella an Asian herself is going at immigrants. Herself an immigrant. Her parents were in Kenya and were turfed out! Maybe this is why she’s so angry

[@middleman9183]

er, no

[@danmayberry1185]

Drawbridge mentality.

[@problemofcommons775]

An immigrant that know mass migration isnt sustainable. Don't have to be white to work that out

[@etiennebunbury1285]

@@danmayberry1185 meaning

[@danmayberry1185]

@@etiennebunbury1285 Meaning now that I'm here, lower the drawbridge so no one else can come. Might hear it from the nouveau riche in the Cotswolds or Benidorm expats complaining about British tourists.

[@londo776]

The problem in the UK is that only 4 per cent of asylum applications from people crossing in small boats are processed in a year. Refugees do not have to apply for asylum in the first safe country they come to under the 1951 Refugee Convention which the UK is a signatory to. It is also a fact that France has more asylum applications than the UK and in terms of asylum applications per 1,000 head of population the UK comes 19th in a European league table. France has also offered to set up a reception centre on French soil for the UK to “process” asylum seekers, but the UK government has snubbed the offer.

[@dougierobertson6358]

OF COURSE NOT, THEY GO WHERE THE FREEBIES ARE DISHED OUT HAND OVER FIST!

[@djamateurvinny58]

France has a population of 65M and France is over twice the size of the UK. France can fit more in. We have a housing crisis, hence the home office searching for hotels, disused holiday camps etc. We're simply running out of resources in Britain.

[@23merlino]

@@djamateurvinny58 - well if a country doesn't plan for the future what do expect...

[@Adam-th7qt]

@@djamateurvinny58 do you not know what 'asylum applications per 1000 head of population' means? It means even taking France's population into account, we still take far fewer. It's pathetic how few we take.

[@dougierobertson6358]

@@djamateurvinny58 Finally, the voice of reason..well done!

[@stephenvincent2147]

The only reason that this debate is taking place is because our leadership group want to introduce laws that; 1) contravene an international law that Britain played a major role in creating, 2) panders to the uneducated, unintelligent, and inhuman members of a British society who are easily swayed. It is embarrassing to have to admit being a member of the same society as these people.

[@peterscopes8469]

Such a sad, horrible period to be living through in this country. So much pain being caused to the population as well as refugees. Surely a period of future shame and regret?

[@malcolmpalmer]

Spot on again James

[@problemofcommons775]

He misses the spot all the time

[@drummingtildeath]

This really isn't getting called out anywhere near enough. Asylum seekers are allowed to arrive by any means. They don't require ID. They don't have to stop in the first safe country.

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Note the Dublin Convention that is still applicable in the EU.

[@ineedmoreflavour1955]

This is such desperate cope by James.

[@spotcatsteve3752]

International law was broken many times during the pandemic. I can't recall him pontificating about that.

[@michaelspencer6171]

Spot on yet again James. An 'illegal' act is only that where there exists a statute that the given act is punishable as a crime. International Law permits asylum to be sought in a safe country where the individual has suffered harm or is likely to - which includes not only war, but threats of harm to self or community (by whatever means that might occur). Which part of that is hard to understand ? Sure, one might need a visa to STAY in a country for an extended period, but that is a process which can be followed (during a detention period) then either enabled or denied according to the evidence presented by the asylum seeker. There's no way it should be criminalised UNLESS there is evidence towards that being the case - i.e human trafficking and/or being a financial migrant specifically to access state benefits with no intention to work.

[@danhalo1]

@@Tondaloona03 👈 doesn’t understand what words or laws mean

[@curseyoujordanshow]

When you can convince an entire group of people that another entire group of people are "illegitimate", there's no end to the atrocity you cannot justify committing against them.

[@pricklysubject9120]

Just Evil no need for any other description of Braverman it fits the bill Evil

[@rogerwood4846]

just stupid...l no need for any other description

[@zephyr8072]

Braverman keeps asking why refugees don't stop in France and try to live there. I keep asking why her parents didn't.

[@chatham43]

.....but do you have an answer....?

[@zephyr8072]

@@chatham43 - There is no obligation to stop at any safe country. - They likely speak English and not French, hence the UK is preferable.

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Her parents would have been British overseas citizens, under the old rules.

[@IntelligentArtefact]

@@fabiennemitchell2371 There were no such rules at all. France conferred citizenship on their colonies. Britain did the opposite and created the Windrush scandal.

[@arbjful]

@@fabiennemitchell2371 no they were British subjects. Her parents were taken to Kenya by the British as indentured workers

[@BenjaminGlatt]

Knowing that you'll never be in a situation where you'll have to seek asylum turns your brain to mush if you're not careful.

[@allip4226]

*Believing* that you'll never be in a situation where you'll have to claim asylum, you mean.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

If we don't curb climate change, we will live to become refugees, half of Britain will be underwater... (Assuming life expectancy continues to rise at historic rates, we could all live to be 120...)

[@problemofcommons775]

@@allip4226 I wouldn't run way like these cowardly men. Should use ukraine as an example

[@chatham43]

....certainly not in France...😊

[@johng.1703]

the thing is, under UK law, we can't criminalise entry to the UK by refugees / asylum seekers, international treaties have a higher standing in UK law, so this wouldn't change anything. no matter what bills they pass in to law in parliament the treaty takes precedent.

[@rewdwarf123]

What is international law? For example, how does it fit in with international law when the USA prevents people from entering their country if they haven't had a Covid vaccination?

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Parliament reigns supreme and should never let international law be a burden to its citizens. If there are breaches or otherwise, Parliament must correct it.

[@johng.1703]

@@rewdwarf123 you do understand that the UK is not a US state or a client state of the US right?

[@johng.1703]

@@fabiennemitchell2371 yes parliament is sovereign, but there are two or more parties in a treaty, all parties to that treaty need to agree any changes for a change to be made, it can't be done unilaterally. but parliament can withdraw from a treaty. the problem when countries withdraw from international agreements is they end up being pariah states. I have no idea why Brexit supporters want to make the UK into a copy of North Korea. but as you point out, parliament is Sovereign, you have already agreed with everything parliament does or has done, all the people in the UK are represented in parliament by MP's who vote on your behalf, that is WHY parliament is sovereign, it's the peoples voice.

[@rewdwarf123]

@@johng.1703 I do understand that. The question was about international law. Just thought I'd give an example of a country not necessarily following it. Could be anywhere, really.

[@VineFish]

Worth noting that after this monologue, LBC went to the news and described the small boat entries and illegal.

[@skyblazeeterno]

apart from a few hosts LBC is quite terrible

[@andrewbowyer7237]

You are right. It is not illegal to put to sea in a small boat. It is not illegal to cross the English Chanel in a small boat or to claim asylum. You are not lying but you are not telling the whole story. I am a migrant. I have crossed the Channel in a small boat. I don’t think any sane person would want this vile business to continue.

[@chatham43]

.....where are you from andy boy.....?

[@First_Sea_Lord_Ford]

They are illegal immigrants not asylum seekers. Tell me about how war torn France is then we can talk

[@diselvale8256]

What have we become 😢

[@EdDueim]

The Cambridge English Dictionary now accepts "illegal" as a noun. That's the last time I'll buy one of their dictionaries.

[@rogerwood4846]

yeah bet youd buy one filled with PRONOUNS

[@Rasp63]

The interesting statistic is that 14,000 asylum seekers were granted refugee status in 2022, but, there were 250,000 people who had overstayed their visas and were living somewhere in the UK... Which group is the biggest problem?

[@chatham43]

....so those people don't have a right to stay.....we don't know their circumstances....they might be desperate.....

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

There were two amnesties to clear the backlog of previous years, and many undeserving applicants were given leave to remain in the UK.

[@skyblazeeterno]

@@fabiennemitchell2371 source the claim there has been 2 amnesties

[@pipereed1]

James, Can you tell people about exactly the consequences when a country who is found guilty of breaking international law. I know what they are and I don't think this country could withstand more economical sanctions.

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Do you not know that Britain was 'co-founders' to nearly all these international treaties?

[@sarahjaneross2918]

This chills me to the bone 😢

[@lathouxaris]

Never attribute to malice that which could be explained by ignorance...but also remember it's possible to be both malicious and ignorant.

[@cupguin]

Doesn't matter how you explain it, people are convinced there's something "illegal" because something something small boat. It's like banging your head against a wall because that's the language that's being used over and over and over again each and every day with very little pushback.

[@skyblazeeterno]

I occasionally get into heated debate with my elder sister on this - when I point out that Uk takes far less immigrants/asylum seekers than most countries she just switches to the argument that UK is too full

[@stephenwinter5958]

At last someone with a public profile is making this point. Making a claim for asylum is not illegal. It is appalling that the BBC routinely uses this language.

[@chatham43]

........crossing the channel is....

[@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388]

​@@chatham43 care to elaborate?

[@chatham43]

....OK....here goes....crossing the channel is illegal...claiming asylum isn't.....that's why they should be turned around and then they might stop wasting their money to get here......and save lives.....it's a win win........

[@johnhodkinson2063]

The government's MOU with Rwanda requires the UK to carry out initial investigation before sending asylum seekers there. It now seems that the government have no intention of doing so, thus invalidating the agreement

[@goblinwisdom]

I'd say the uk is 'doing an accidental Fascism ' but not sure accident is the right wording.

[@jimmysjohn141]

Suella the Cruella.

[@rogerwood4846]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@colincampbell4261]

Daily Mail, Daily Malice.

[@middleman9183]

...it's just a newspaper, get over it

[@colincampbell4261]

​Nah - a rag.

[@kettle2293]

Australia 10 years ago.

[@greamespens1460]

If conservatives want to win they will have to actually do something and not just the continuance of just talking about it.

[@skyblazeeterno]

well theyare bribing Macron with half a billion to deal with the problem

[@rfuzzybearx1792]

What about the terrorism that comes with the boats ?

[@IntelligentArtefact]

Terrorists fly in on planes. Ask New Yorkers.

[@jeremymerrifield7244]

Perhaps the UK is not a very nice place ? We seem to want to be horrible

[@23merlino]

judging by some of the comments here there certainly are a lot of people who take great delight in being horrible...

[@skyblazeeterno]

only a highly vocal minority

[@mcrook6780]

This country is proper grim. Just pivoting from one me crisis to another, all designed to bury the last and distract

[@PeterPete]

the only way people can criticize the numbers of people crossing the channel in boats is by demonising them! And that's exactly the strategy people adopt when they dislike something they can't do anything about!! People are so unhappy and I wish they'd just admit it instead of moaning at other people!

[@davidlloyd-jones9603]

The Tories believe that it was "legal" to invade Iraq but it is 'illegal' for Iraqis who subsequently lost their livelihood to seek refuge in Britain. Better for them to seek asylum in Germany or France although these countries did not participate in this 'illegal' military action against Iraq.

[@chatham43]

....bet it took you a while to think that one up.......James will be proud.....😊

[@davidlloyd-jones9603]

@@chatham43Here are the facts : currently there are roughly 250.000 Iraqis in Germany and 58.000 in Britain. Period. No argument, is there?

[@chatham43]

....what is this....some sort of bizarre virtue signalling competition.....what happened to you?.....you weren't always like this surely........

[@guyforceuk]

The way Tories are going on they will bring Guy Fawkes back from the dead.

[@lexwoodstevens7287]

Like I said before, this has former Aus prime minister Tony Abbott's fingerprints all over this. What the Tories want to do is what we already do to desperate people here in Aus. It starts by calling them illegal and overstating the number. Tells you to be afraid and that asylum seekers are the reason you are afraid and unhappy. As long as you don't blame the Tories. My advice? Blame the Tories

[@paulam40]

BBC has shown where their loyalty lies

[@gbphil]

You could be a pregnant American facing jail or forced birth travelling as a tourist on a visa waiver scheme?

[@susanb4816]

One would think braverman was p.m the way no one talks about sunak in regards to this policy