Reloading Scale - Comparing the GS 1500, Charge master 1500, WAOAW milligram, and FX120i

[@BoltActionReloading]

Here are some shortcuts to various spots in the video if you want to skip the intro and definitions: Definitions - 2:35 Intro to the scales - 4:41 Velocity of a single Kernel of powder - 7:27 Start of testing is at 10:11

[@fps079]

A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two never does....

[@Fudmottin]

I have the same problem with thermometers and temperature.

[@travispresnell7508]

Time isn't real though.

[@fps079]

@@travispresnell7508 Sure it is. None of us will be here after a significant period of time. Proof enough of time.

[@desertdude540]

@@fps079 Everyone knows that time, the moon, and birds aren't real, and that Midgard is flat like a 2D anime waifu. But you believe in time, and probably also the moon, birds, the sphere, and 3D women.

[@fps079]

@@desertdude540Sorry dude, only calling it like I see it with my own eyes and ears. Not superstitious, so no Norse legends either. 3D women? Sure, I believe in them. Trusting them? Well, that post is too long...Safe travels to you, dude.

[@boonvmc]

I am in this weighing industry for 35 years. The load cell or sensor in balances can range anywhere from US$1 to $30. AND uses one of the best hybrid magnetic force technology, they are expensive but also most accurate. The cheap load cells are not linear and do not repeat, manufacturers also use Analog to Digital processors that do not high internal resolutions, so to make the balances inexpensive, a lot of software are use to mask the inaccuracies, like zero tracking, which is the scale internally is not zeroed but the software will just display zero and we assume it is zero. A good way to test is to put a container, tare it, and put 1 grain or 1 division of weight on the scale, for cheap scales, it will just capture it as zero or as previous weight and one can continuously add 1d a time and the software just zeroed that out until there is a big change in weight. There are no standards in manufacturing but most companies use 1.5d weight increment must show 1d weight increase. I have done a few videos showing comparisons in filling speed, dosing application and other accuracy tests. And will be happy to share with you.

[@TheCFN007]

Awesome video, at least I'm not the only one that obsesses over a perfect powder charge . Keep up the hard work.

[@logananaya]

Lol im obsessed because I don't want to blow up my hand😅

[@IHFarmer2007]

I started reloading in December 18 and I started with a cheaper scale(I think a Lyman digital)I had problems with sd and es something terrible. My wife said I could buy the fx120i(I found a used one for a good price with a dandy trickler) and I haven’t looked back!!! I love the accuracy to the nearest kernel of powder using varget sized powder! My es and sd have gone down and consistency has gone up enough that I was able to make my first hits at 1083yrds with my Valkyrie remage bolt gun! Like my wife said “it’s better to have an accurate scale that I don’t have to worry about you blowing yourself up”, I said good enough I’ll buy the fx120i!!

[@4570reloader]

appreciate the video, was in Cabelas today and just could not decide, went with another small scale, after watching this I think I made the right choice, would have saved me some time if I had watched it first.

[@williambland3201]

after 20 years of reloading match ammo and using everything available for accurate powder dispensing, I went back to a good balance beam scale and trickler. accuracy is more important than speed when building long range match ammo. Hunting loads and banging ammo for Ar's not so much. A good technique and a quality powder measure will dispense accurate loads well withing most needs. For me the balance beam and trickler works the best. It is not slow enough to make a difference. Good video and great comparison between what is available. Don't get wrapped up in the electronics. I did not find it reliable enough for my needs.

[@stariadversesmalum4638]

Don’t get hung up on bad electronics. Balance beam scales are accurate but take A LOT longer so don’t kid yourself there.

[@thatguy2383]

You loaded match ammo for 20 years and went back to a balance scale because it's more accurate? What kind of matches do you shoot? Magnum cartridges @ 25 yards? Hahaha... yeah, sure. Nice try troll!

[@trentcoble3793]

You came across as an intelligent, caring, reasonable, and understanding individual so I gave you a like which is rare. And I ended up getting the 777th like which is my favorite number, damn what are the chances

[@BoltActionReloading]

Thanks Trent! Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@johnwesely]

@@BoltActionReloadingstay safe and small groups.

[@boatboattmmrp9950]

A very underrated topic. For my method, I get really particular and measure every charge by hand. Tedious, but for my use it’s worth it.

[@leewilkinson6372]

Interesting experiment to do, if you're interested.... I've found that spherical powders seem to drop more regularly than extruded. So I threw 10 charges directly into the case (using cfe blk) and found them to be within .10+or - grain. Not great. Then I fired them all. I next fired 10 that were hand trickled to be precisely on my ideal charge weight. There was no discernable difference between the groups. Sometimes I think we get carried away and do thing for the sake of ocd instead of practical use..... and now imaging to go hand polish each piece of brass.....neck to headstand. Don't judge!!!😂

[@tonyr3352]

I bit the bullet a while ago and purchases a Sartorius Entris 64 which measures to .002 grains. I used to use the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite to throw the charge close enough and then trickle to the exact weight. I've since them moved to the Franklin Intellidroper. It's wicked fast dumping the powder and I will say the Franklin drops a charge usually within .05 grains. I've seen it drop within one kernel but it's not repeatable. If you are going to load 50-75 rounds a sitting, The Franklin will server you well. That coupled with your FX120 and you are ready to rock. You may want to consider this.

[@savagereloader6699]

Thats a whole education on scales and systems I had no clue it made such a difference. Thanks BAR, I shall be looking into this more!

[@BoltActionReloading]

Glad you enjoyed it. It is certainly some interesting stuff to me.

[@martinto138]

Ahhhhh. OCD Therapy complete. thanks for another great video.

[@r-n-jhomesteadlife4800]

These videos are awesome. Just what I needed as I am just getting back into reloading. Thank you

[@amdenis]

There are like hundreds of scale videos. All this extra time, effort and cost- I just use my bathroom scale. Yeah, I occasionally blow up a barrel, but I get great distance.

[@leewilkinson6372]

On the barrel instead of the bullet, occasionally. Lmao😂

[@rrobbinstx]

Its really about making our loads better. After all, thats what we all want is better loads. I will gladly spend more money for my load to be exact, powerful, and precise!

[@RickLowrance]

I immediately gave you a "Like" after the unicorn statement.

[@greybone777]

Load by volume ,powder weight can change with humidity. Balance scales are more accurate. You can get very accurate loads with IMR 4831 in 3006 by scooping out of a container with the casing. Also works for varget and 223. Look in your manual for compressed loads. Lee powder scoops work great and are fast. People love to spend money 💰 on fancy crap.

[@leewilkinson6372]

Doesn't powder volume change with compaction? I would think this would be a larger deviation than any humidity/weight change..... Out of all the things I've changed to get tighter groups, regularity in powder charge has brought the most gains. Not primer type, not brass concentricity, or any of that other nitpicking crap. (And once I get the thrower working properly I don't weight every charge.... they throw reasonably accurate enough that I can shoot perfectly acceptably. In fact. Learning fundamentals of shooting has gotten better gains in accuracy than any reloading trick.....but I digress)

[@thatguy2383]

So, I checked my reloading manual(s). Here's what I found: "greybone777 is a moron, he's got no clue what he's talking about. Please, for the love of god: USE A SCALE! No need to cheap out and blow your face off just because some internet troll told you that you can just "scoop" your powder charge with your case". Weird, huh?

[@R1j0hn]

@ 6:10 - I would say it's more of a middle-ground between the GemPro 250 and the GemPro 50... I own a SMART WEIGH GEM 50, which isn't great but measures 0.02 grains and works adequately for my purposes.

[@Fudmottin]

Have you tried running a ballistics calculator to see what difference a 10fps ES makes on downrange drop at 1000 yards?

[@BoltActionReloading]

There are several things that can affect this. On my plinking load 10 fps at 1000 is 1/4 MOA.

[@thereloaderscloset9096]

I've noticed through the years I have reloaded that the tenth of a grain it usually equates to 3 cereals or 4 depending on the powder. I'm talking about stick powder like Retumbo, 4831, 4350 or as such. My RCBS scale measure about 0.1 off from a balance beam so I check a lot of charges on the balance beam but my charge master is about 20 years old now. Really like the comparison.

[@G5Hohn]

A smaller powder charge is proportionally more sensitive. That’s why it’s super hard to get low SDs in small cases like .223 and smaller.

[@bowtiedooley]

Have you done a load test using the fx120i vs the chargemaster to see if there are measurable differences? As in measurable at the range

[@DimaProk]

I found RCBS Lite chargemaster to be a much accurate than 1500. At first when I purchased 1500 I did every mod and calibration I could try and still it wasn't where I wanted to be so I returned it. When Lite came out I purchased it and was so much better! Most important it would not overthrow straight out of the box without any mods and it stayed within 0.1gr range as I double check every charge on GemPro 250.

[@chief777able]

Hey mate. Any feedback on Ohaus scales?😊

[@rickytutelage8496]

Single kernel resolution is completely wasted unless you’re shooting in space. Consider that a gust of wind at the muzzle can cause your bullet impact to change elevation much more measurably than a single kernel of powder can. Even if you made utterly perfectly uniform ammunition, your gun’s tolerances aren’t perfectly uniform, so essentially, you’re wasting perfection anyway. Just save your money and spend it on the best components you can get.

[@glennvandenberg3912]

I don't agree with that. If your charge load has variation then you would be adding the variation of the wind. You would the be further off your point of aim than if you had a very very accurate charge load.

[@davidsignor7931]

You have never played with flintlocks

[@MrMalicious5]

@@glennvandenberg3912 If .1gr let alone .02gr is throwing off your load, your load sucks. Been loading straight from a Chargemaster for years and been able to get single digit/low teens ES over 10 shots.

[@izaak1509]

Just bought the hornaday g2 1500 as I realised I needed something basic digit scale as I just couldn't use the sliding scale that came in my lee press kit, and was cheap($105 with the scale and trickeler) well at least in comparison as most reloading scale are very expensive. My first 50 loads are with just the 2.5cc scoop that came with my dies, but need to get something the measures in Grs so I know a little more accurately what amount I'm loading.

[@JB101inc]

I have a Gen1 GS-1500 and its driving me absolutely crazy. it drifts out to +/- 0.4gn over the course of 30 rounds. Hoping I can find a digital scale that will serve me better, otherwise I'm seriously considering going back to a mechanical scale.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Hi JB, Check out this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJiXaJRtZa5mqLc and even if you don't like it I list some alternatives that might wok better for you in the description. Thanks for Watching!

[@juddpav9492]

Great info! Thank you for the attention to detail!

[@BrickByBrickVets]

We all reload differently because we enjoy the process differently. This maybe the only hobby someone likes using a wrench over a socket, and vice versa equally.

[@joechrisman8257]

I wondered about the new frankford arsenal auto scale. Almost ordered other day. $199 ? Didn't know if it was good? Assume every stinking scale is made in china or other place than America ? Great job thanks for the info brother. Happy Fathers day tommorow.

[@vladmirputin7139]

Would be interesting to see a beam scale compared to these.

[@Physics072]

I have 3 digital and beam. The beams are great nothing to break really. Very simple and you can trust them. They compare very closely. I will use the beam to check the digitals with known weights. Or I will toss in 4 charges in the beam to see if it weighs 4 x my powder drop. The electronic are faster to see how much you are over/under. I trust the beams they use gravity which is pretty stable and not temp sensitive and needs no batteries.

[@Jeff_Seely]

Quite well actually. I use an Ohaus triple beam agate lab-scale and it is wicked accurate for a mechanical scale. Approx +/- .1grain which is pretty darn good. And they don't lose calibration. I have a Chargemaster and I actually don't use it because if I use this scale and a Harrells precision powder thrower, I can't tell any difference in vertical dispersion with my 6.5CR at 400yds and my thrower is a lot faster. My way may not be agreeable with other but I have no need to change my method at this point. The scale goes for ~$150.00 at Cole Parmer.👍

[@Physics072]

@@Jeff_Seely Nice! Those old triple beam scales are nice and don't freak out like digital ones do when they get low on voltage.

[@thatguy2383]

@@Jeff_Seely The reason why you believe that "+/- .1grain is "pretty darn good" is because you shoot a 6.5 CM at only 400 yards (which is close to the MPBR if zeroed @ 100 yards) and expect some kind of telltale vertical dispersion. I can load rounds for my CM with a $10 chinesium scale that's all over the place in regards to repeatability and accuracy and you won't be able to see any vertical dispersion at 400 yards that would indicate inconsistent powder charges. Try and take your loads out to 1k yards and you'll see why up to .2 grains difference in charge weight is unacceptable for some of us.

[@otetechie]

A fancy balance would be nice and they are better, but you can make good ammo with a cheap scale. My $20 WAOAW scale was good enough to get first round hits at 1K with 5.56 at my last match. The real improvement would have been something to way it out automatically since trickling 500 loads can get tedious.

[@drubradley8821]

This may sound like a bit much to do, but, beings many of these auto dropper/tricklers run on a small plug-in type transformer, I opened my unit up, located a ground trace on the main PC board, and then ran that to the ground lug on the wall outlet...Yes, it kinda sucks to have that wire like that, it does have a quick disconnect an inch or three from the machine itself but, I just tie-wrap it to the transformer power supply's wire.. Beings, my unit never moves, If I do need to move the scale, I can unplug the power cord and the ground wire at the machine, and just push the cord out of the way. I to leave it plugged into the outlet though. The grounding wire is attached to the outlet cover plate center screw. That center screw is also connected to the buildings grounding rod/neutral system. The drift I was getting in my auto dropper/scale was 100% resolved, after doing that.... With out getting into a whole bunches of electrical engineering lingo, it basically, assisted in dumping any of the random RF and static noise to ground, that the external transformer power supply doesn't do. The load-cell system, is exceptionally sensitive to RF, and the circuitry that deals with the load cell's capacitance strain gauge, does its best to deal with outside interference's like RF static, and noise, all it can really do it round up or down as a basic algorithmic gate for counting an average over time. I took things a step further and if you don't know what you are doing, I do not recommend that you do this, let alone, it will also, void the factory warranty "fact".... I took the whole unit apart, carefully, and I purchased from Amazon, a roll of adhesive backs foil sheets, 12 inches by 56 inches is what I think I got, for like $13 bucks. You can also get this this sticky backed foil rolls in a tape format, approx 1 inch wide to 5 inches wide, by 10 to 75 yards long, just like a roll of masking tape, except, it is a thin metal foil.. Anyway, I wiped the inside surfaces with Iso-alcohol, that may have been left behind from the injection molding process of the parts, and or assemble process and dust and powder residue from loading. Is that step required, NO, not really, but, why not, I have it opened already, might as well. I then proceeded to make paper templates of the various shaped that contoured inside void surfaces.. marked with a sharpie marker, each template and then its respective matching mark to the location on the inside location. Once they were all cut out, I test fit the cut out foil pieces, for proper fitment, with out removing the sticky side's backer.. I would proceed to the next stage, of connecting each one of the foils by a small wire, by means of soldering said jumper connecting wire. Paying mind to the need of the wire to clear interior structured plastic gussets, Test fitting each additional foil to the previous one, carefully test fitting again, and again, etc.... Once all were connected via the jumper wire, I lastly soldered on one (1) wire that has a quick disconnector in line, from the collection foils to the the main board, which happens to be the same location of the spot that the grounding wire that run to the outside of the machine to run to the wall outlet. Basically, I installed a shielding cage that catches a very high percentage of the RF noise energy that floats around from the room lighting, the TV & DVD player, laptop, on the work bench 5 foot away from where the digital scale resides on the loading work bench. It is a poor man's Faraday's gage, on the inside of the machine, so it visually is not seen. The drifting issue some auto dropper/tricklers have, and not all models do, and I have seen some of the same exact brand & model, where one will wonder, and the other unit, is spot on with no wondering or drift on the same work bench, so.. Who knows what that is all about? just is what it is.

[@G5Hohn]

Very well done video! Thanks.

[@tjarmand]

were do you get the 120i for $450?????

[@BoltActionReloading]

Check out Adams website, he has links that he keeps up to date to where he recommends to go. www.autotrickler.com/v3-for-ad.html it requires a discount code but I just checked it and it still works.

[@tomcooke6670]

Where did you find it for 450. Thanks

[@mikes5918]

Cambridge environmental has them for $465 at the moment. You can follow the link through the auto trickler website.

[@stariadversesmalum4638]

People don’t realize how sensitive some scales can be. Then they end up calling a product garbage because they left their ceiling fan on while running it 😂

[@leewilkinson6372]

HEY! PISS OFF.. I'm that guy. Kept re zeroing.... and it was the breeze through the window in my case. 😅

[@raywhitehead730]

I use a scale with a kindle focused on the needle, it will give within two grains of powder, ( not weight) the correct measurement. Problem is,,, its way slow, but I don't care.and as far as accuracy can't be beat. Chemistry degree way back when we used scales in controlled rooms. Sometimes grains will form a bunch as they adhere to each other.

[@thatguy2383]

Wait... you've got a degree in chemistry and you think that it's normal when your powder sometimes forms a bunch?

[@Jake-mm1cz]

The Old Adage of ( Trust But Verily ) holds true ..

[@Johnsormani]

Fx120 is also not great at repeatability as we can see in the video, but that is being ignored. Linearity is also important , but only interesting if you use it for very different loads. If you only need to load 42.4 grains , just check your scale with a reference of around that weight and be happy when the scale is able to reproduce that reading within the tolerance that you’re happy with. Also, if you put calibration weights on a scale, try to place them in the middle , since many scales are not linear from center to edge

[@glennvandenberg3912]

Can you please use your A and D to check how good/bad the repeatability of an Ohuas beam scale is?

[@BoltActionReloading]

I do not have a Ohuas beam scale to compare to.

[@glennvandenberg3912]

@@BoltActionReloading I have one you can borrow but it's a fair trip to Australia to pick it up. I ended up automating a powder dropped with an air ram and a small motor on my trickler. When the beam breaks an optic it stops the trickler. Its faster than an auto charger and there is no worries about the beam scale drifting.

[@BoltActionReloading]

That sounds like a extremely interesting setup.

[@blairdickey6238]

Great review

[@leewilkinson6372]

Interesting thing that I learned the hard way..... all of these scales are sensitive enough that a breeze or fan.... or slight deflection in the floor from me walking around....can change the powder charge up or down .1 grains. Turn the fan off, make sure your windows are closed.....and don't move.....don't even breath....if you have a scale without a cover. 😂

[@dbgarlisch]

Thanks for the great comparison. But I must ask. Any particular reason you did not include the hornady auto charge scale on this lineup? Seems like a glaring omission. I purchased one used as part of a bundle from a guy who was getting out of reloading. I would really have liked seeing it included.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Hi David, there are lots videos on those and I was not impressed with the accuracy in those videos. These scales are all purchased by me, no samples from manufacturers. I simply can't spend that kind of money to try and include every option.

[@dbgarlisch]

@@BoltActionReloading makes sense now. I was not aware you buy everything you review. That makes me appreciate your reviews even more.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Company support is pretty limited. A manufacturer is never going to put their product alongside a competitor.

[@freedom_seed5.45x39]

Great info!

[@Jeff_Seely]

I own a Chargemaster and honestly never use it. I use my Harrell's premium powder thrower and a triple beam agate lab scale. And I see no difference and vertical dispersion at up to 400 yd with my 6.5 Creedmoor. Much like yourself, I'm not saying my way it is THE way. But I applaud your comparison video and stance about the shooter's opinions on weighing charges. I know plenty of guys and gals that can outshoot me at the bench and almost all of them work up their charge weights differently so I'd look pretty silly telling any of them that their methods need to change.

[@jonathanhayward3013]

If you can get a peregrine bullet scale from South Africa it does 0.01 increment most accurate scale I've used.

[@treece1]

You got one? Heard their a myth

[@danielcrossland6915]

Hey mopar madman, good video. A good scale is worth its value in an 80% hit day or a 50% hit day. Premium components will pay for itself on hit percentages. At least my opinion. Another thing i thought of, just to throw a twist, can humidity percentage of your powder throw everything off? I dont believe anyone to be testing that. If there was a way for example to maintain exactly 50% humidity of your powder at all times i think the theory would be even better consistancy in extreme spread assuming that all other factors are controlled. It would be pretty tough to check though i would think. Opinion? Dan

[@gary5051]

I've been trying to control humidity as I move charge-ready brass from garage where I prep the brass to my basement where I charge the cases. The approach involves storing finished cases in plastic bags with desiccant packs during the interval between when I charge the cases and when they get to the garage for bullet seating-usually immediately after charging. I read somewhere that powders can hydrophilic to varying degrees so I figured I'd make at lease a minimal effort to keep humidity swings to a minimum - don't really know if its worth the effort. Be great if BAR performed a wee bit of testing on humidity impacts of burn rate and, therefore, fps.

[@dreed7312]

I wonder if anyone makes a chrono accurate enough to know one way or another. I doubt it.

[@singleshot2218]

Are all those pans the same weight?

[@BoltActionReloading]

No I tared the scales all with the same pan.

[@slightenigma]

Thank you for making this video. I have been thinking about the higher end scale, but was wondering if I need to spend an arm and a leg.

[@BoltActionReloading]

The jury is still out on how "necessary" that the new scale is, but it is very repeatable. Doing some testing with this and the new 2 box chrono will be very interesting.

[@derbsmcbergs]

I just wish the Chargemaster Lite had adjustable feet for leveling. Thx for going over all of this in depth.

[@duckslayer11000]

My chargemaster lite has leveling feet and a bubble. How old is yours?

[@ericb6390]

It does

[@chris3383]

Great video. I need to start saving ...I have the Hornady auto charger or whatever it's called it drifts , sd's all over the place.... but I'm getting great groups ....I'm certain that will change farther out I go !! I still need to get one of those chamber cooling fans if you're wondering I have the Caldwell g2 chronograph

[@dominickdelfino7552]

Pick yourself up the Area419 version of the autotrickler system you wont regret it.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

A friend and I did a test of a range of powder scales a few years ago. My gold standard is my ancient Lyman balance with gem stone bearings. We then compared the measures of two Lee balances, one digital brand name powder scale, and at least one eBay Chinese no name digital scales. We used calibrated lab weights as well as common items. The deviation amongst all was so minute it was ridiculous to even assign a percentage accuracy figure. YMMV, FWIW, JMHO, etc.

[@MikeSiemens88]

Ya I have to say I didn't make it past the 1st 5 minutes before confirming that my old balance scale does a fine job. No +- digital error, no difference in reading depending on where on the scale I place the weight, no batteries required. Once you have the beam zeroed about the only thing that can induce any error worth worrying about is a stiff breeze. Luckily I'm mostly in a warm cozy room when I measure powder. ;-)

[@FullSendPrecision]

Just got my 120i a few days ago to go with my auto trickler v3 - I gotta say, I'm surprised (not) how much the RCBS 1500 is off. The 1500 is now for AR loading duty only.

[@JetNmyFuture]

Don't forget - electronic scales and balances are temperature sensitive. As you get to the higher end, the performance is counting on the system being at a stable and narrow temp range. Usually between 65-70F or so - manufacturer defined. Loading in a cold/hot garage may not get you the expected accuracy on your $500 - $1500 balance

[@BoltActionReloading]

I check my scale with weights before I use it and my temp rarely changes a couple degrees in a room with no airflow its pretty accurate.

[@David-hm9ic]

A balance would not be affected by temperature changes. The scales in this video including the FX120i are electronic scales. The FX120i uses a different system from the load cells of the others but it still uses electronics to calculate mass. True balances are completely mechanical.

[@metatronmen2431]

I use an optimized powder thrower for pistol reloads and I randomly check the accuracy in a $60 Frankfort Armory Platinum scale, I reloaded since 1989 thousands of rounds and this setup works perfectly fine, I was in revolver competition and I spent a lot of time learning, reading and with others talking about this subject and nobody, absolutely no one was concern about one kernel of powder more or less even in competition precision loads, true is we have a diversity of digital precision scales in this days but you dont really need to a extreme fanatic or break the bank, just fairly accurate and consistent. Jerry Miculek still using conventional reload systems, if is good for him is good for all of us.

[@thatguy2383]

Ah yes, "I shoot handguns @ 25 or 50 yards and I don't need an expensive scale for that, therefore no one needs an expensive scale". And race cars don't need high octane fuel because your 1982 Camry runs just fine on regular, right? And to your argument from authority fallacy that just because something is good for Jerry Miculek it's good enough for the rest of us: Wrong. Miculek is awesome but AFAIK he doesn't shoot benchrest competitions @ 1000 yards, where a difference of a few kernels between loads will ruin your day.

[@David-hm9ic]

If there is one piece of reloading equipment that I have underutilized it's my FA digital scale. It just doesn't meet expectations. +/- 0.1 grains shows the fallacy of the 0.01 display. My experience with inexpensive electronic scales is that they are poorly suited for measuring small changes as with trickling. They seem to be OK at weighing bullets or anything where the entire weight is deposited at once. I will trust my 5-0-5s over ANY digital scale including the FX120i if there is a difference in their readings. OTOH, my Charge Master and both 5-0-5s have always agreed exactly.

[@gunner45357308]

I purchased a RCBS Chargemaster lite and used it for 18 months, it then stopped working. The touch pad will not always respond, sometimes it will not calibrate, it will not stabilize at the 100gm step. It will also not turn off, I have to unplug it. It was used once a week or so, calibrated every time. RCBS says well it is over a year old, so sorry not covered under warranty. Here is a repair shop and they can maybe help. I have not called the third party repair shop number they gave me yet. Don't know what the cost will be to repair it. Safe to say I would not recommend an RCBS scale. Update the repair shop gets a flat rate of $155 to repair this unit, plus I need to pay for shipping it to them and shipping it back.. What would you do? I would not buy this unit.

[@joatmon6132]

If I hit the like button and not the bell icon, will I still find out how you and the others make your group smaller?

[@hmoobshow2482]

Been wanting to get an AD fx120 but don’t have the money for it so I bought a Grizzly Bald eagle

[@curtwuollet2912]

I just cut a piece of aluminum to about 6 gns. 5.82gns. Every session I check that it reads the same on my cheap Homgeek.

[@jamesbell4041]

Lol!! Brilliant!! I'm only 2 mins into the video!! Lol!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🙏🏿💜

[@mightyjoeyoung1390]

+/- 0.1 grain is a 0.2 grain accuracy, not a 0.1 grain accuracy.

[@gabrielmondragon7124]

Thanks for the help bud! Btw, i in fact won't be using these scales to weight out steroid powders 😇👌

[@Plainsimple67]

I WAS TOLD BY A SALES PERSON AT A RELOADING STORE THAT RCBS IS THE LEAST PROBLEMATIC ONE OF ALL THE ELECTRONIC DISPENSERS.

[@georgemustacos3486]

Of course he did, he’s a salesman

[@JustAGuy93-G]

Gate keeping is a big problem of the reloading community. Im just starting out with a .308 hand loader (got to start somewhere and learn the basics) and a mechanical powder scale... Yet i was asking for guidance on a shooting discord server and i was told in infinite ways how what I'm doing is wrong and to just buy thousands of dollars of equipment rather than actually learning to walk before i can run.

[@BoltActionReloading]

It just depends on what your goals are. If you want the highest tier performance you will spend more. If just matching factory performance, you can do that with most anything. You will see that everyone does it their way, and if you're not doing it that way, you're wrong. If you find someone getting the results you are looking for, that's always a good place to start.

[@JustAGuy93-G]

@@BoltActionReloading All i want is to load some decent loads to put holes in a dinner plate at 500 as a start to be fair, which i can do with factory loaded Privi Partisan .308 FMJ BT 145g, one of the cheaper loads you can get here. I will likely invest in proper presses in the future as its inevitable as i start to shoot magnum loads and for long range precision that it becomes far more economical to do your own loads. .338 for instance is as expensive as 7 GBP here and is as cheap as 4 - 5 to reload which is a no brainer. You are totally right exactly how i think but some people see it as their way or the highway it seems!

[@garybenke4941]

To speed things up I use two trays the same weight :)

[@JamesS.254]

You could have a whole bench of nice reloading tools for the price of that A&D scale alone.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Hi James, The price of the A and D scale was a little more than the price of the RCBS unit. A lot of the videos I have done, knowing very accurately what the weight of something is adds to the content. I am not telling anyone that have to buy that scale or any other for that matter. The point of the video is to show the performance of all of the scales so the viewer can decide for themselves which one is best for them.

[@JamesS.254]

@@BoltActionReloading No problem, just stating my opinion. And the A&D is just a scale, it does not throw/trickle powder, so apple's to oranges when the RCBS was an all in one when it comes to price.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Its likely the first step to an auto trickler for me. If the RCBS stops working that will be the first thing I order. Unfortunately some people think that the only place to buy them is from Brownells, when there are places that sell then for 2/3 the cost.

[@JamesS.254]

@@BoltActionReloading Oh trust me when I say I'd love to get one, But the cheapest I can find one for is still $715. The cheapest price I've found for the RCBS chargemaster is on sale for $349, and that would eliminate the need for my Uniflow powder measure and my trickler. That being said If I had the money I'd buy one. Consistency is king, and in your video that A&D was dang close to being as consistent as can be even with a .02 accuracy, that sure as hell beats the hell out of being off be a whole .1 gr.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Its 465 at Cambridge environmental in canada. I have seen it there for 425 before.

[@TexasTrained]

You didnt rub me wrong.I bought the V4 Auto Trickle and FX 120i.. I couldnt justify the $4,000. Prometheus.. I dont shoot good enough for that..Yet.

[@EnjoicoolPanda]

Are these good for drugs too? Or are these just bullet-powder specific? Jokes aside, excellent video, very detailed oriented.

[@matthewbeaver5026]

I've used a few cheaper digital scales and they just never give me any confidence. A balance beam is slow and finicky. But I trust it more than the cheap digitalis Especially when trying to save funds for components

[@M_G_D_1]

Its all about great loads

[@RhinoViper]

Right now i have 2 relative cheap digital scales and they don't keep zero for crap....taking the dish off and on a few times will start to skew the tared zero and I have to power off and back on to get it back to zero...pain in the ass. I think i may just go with the balance beam just so i can feel better about the digital readout being right or not....or maybe I should just spend a bit more on a digital.....hmmmm

[@D70340]

Why did you bother even adding the Hornady GS-1500 scale to the table if you weren't even going to test it.

[@craigsayner7341]

To me if you only shoot 40 or 50 rounds a month there is no justification to purchase an expensive scale. It boils down to how much you shoot and how much you can afford.

[@mikesalmon9945]

JUST.SLOW.DOWN

[@mtkidd121]

Coming from the computer IT side of things, I really do not understand how or why people read an "oh" and not a "zero". For example "twenty oh one" instead of "twenty zero one". I know it "really makes no difference, however, it really rings a like a 'wrong note in a chord' for me...

[@johnnash5118]

A big improvement for all scales would be a weight platter with a recess exactly the size of the bottom of the trays, that way, the trays are consistently placed on the platter. I think inconsistent tray placement is the deviation culprit. Edit: Another option is to place a small screw into the exact center of the tray, and drill a matching hole into the exact center of the weight platter; that way (pun not intended,) there is absolute placement consistency.

[@michaelhennegan9637]

A quality powder measure is all that you really need. Yes, you will need a scale to verify weights, but measuring each charge is so unnecessary, unless you are trying to win some kind of long range competition. A quality powder measure is accurate and so much easier and faster.

[@tjarmand]

FX120i

[@raywhitehead730]

Ok I applaud you attempt at measurmenrBut you should show the smallest unit you are trying to measre. A single grain of whatever shape.because you can't get smaller

[@raywhitehead730]

Weighing rooms are leveled, temp controlled, no air currents, no electrical currents, air mixture controlled, no static electricity, light controlled, and instruments detecting earth and magnetic fields variations. All stuff beyond even exact reloaders..

[@thatguy2383]

I can already see Erik Cortina and F-Class John making videos where they're dusting off their ancient beam scales because "raywhitehead730" said that the use of digital precision scales involves stuff that's "beyond even exact reloaders"... lol.

[@MrBoo1963]

Just depends on the money spent. I'm a poor guy.

[@drewt.4353]

I know your'e trying to not make the old timers angry, but digital scales for speed and micro accuracy.

[@COREYDEER]

All I see is unless you want to spend a lot of money then use a beam haha

[@Ruteger100]

Your 8 minutes in and you've said nothing of note yet. get on with it basil.

[@noneya135]

Longest intro ever.

[@alexnavarro3661]

Too much talking...

[@eugenejohnson8635]

800.00 dollars it’s not worth it 👎🤢🤮 who cares if it’s off one or two gn off

[@BoltActionReloading]

They can be found far cheaper than 800

[@afkirby]

I picked mine up for $350 after rebate

[@eugenejohnson8635]

That white one is $799

[@BoltActionReloading]

Check out Adams website, he has links that he keeps up to date to where he recommends to go. www.autotrickler.com/v3-for-ad.html it requires a discount code but I just checked it and it still works. Right now its $450 USD.

[@afkirby]

Eugene Johnson you need to shop around

[@organicmaterialsciencecorp6115]

Toll much talking.

[@ketech9689]

The FX120i is seriously over priced and you do a disservice to us all by promoting it. If one just wants a hyper accurate balance the FX120i is double what one needs to pay. As an example, the Ohaus Scout SPX123 is just as good, just as accurate, just as impervious to where the weight is placed on the scale and cost half the price. Fact of the matter is Adam MacDonald made an extremely poor choice getting into bed with A&D. He charges $270 for the Autotrickler, but one has to pay $800 for the scale? That simply doesn't make good business sense. All of the design acumen in the world doesn't mean one can ignore the business-end of the equation. The Ohaus Scout is less than $400. It doesn't have the ability to mount a throw on top of it, but design and build a "house" that the throw can sit on top of for the people that need the auto throw functionality.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Hi KeTech, First I am not promoting the scale, I am showing people what all the scales that I owned at the time are capable of. I state in the beginning that the purpose is to find the scale that is right for you. Its clear you don't really watch the video and just want to be upset about it. Not everyone needs to measure anywhere close to this level of precision so what "disservice" I am providing I am not sure. I am trying to show people what all the scales measure with the same weights can compare for themselves. I try to make it clear that everyone has to decide what is right for the person. I have not used the Ohaus scale you reference but it appears to be for sale on Amazon for about 400, which is about 25 less than what I paid for my fx120i. CE products currently has it listed for $470 plus shipping so its gone up a little. I will not make judgments for the decisions he made for his product. He states that it works with other scales but it was designed around the 120i. If you have any complaints for Adam maybe you should ask him. Best of luck. BAR

[@donaldknight4202]

You talk too much!