Remington 870P vs. Mossberg 590A1 - Part 1

[@BERETTA9mmUSA]

I Love my Mossberg Retrograde 590A1, and even my Mossberg Retrograde 500 that comes in at $500….. for the Quality it is a Fantastic 12 gage shotgun even for a first time shotgun Buyer. Lots of fun from both manufacturers by New owners or existing owners alike, that is a certainty. 🥳🤠👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 B9USA. Sr.

[@mxlife958]

The 870P and the older 870 Wingmaster Police are the best... I also own a 590a1, but my favorite is my 1979 Remington 870 Wingmaster Police. The build quality is incredible and second to none compared to the 590a1, and the smoothness of the pump action is second to none as well. my 870 Wingmaster Police was in service, it's a Minesota Police swap and it's 45 years old and like new.

[@skipboyer1889]

The only time I ever carried a shotgun in the Corps was when I was stationed in Iwakuni and while I walked guard duty around armories. I believe that they were Mossberg 500's if memory serves me correctly. They were loose as a goose! We carried them on a sling, muzzle up, slide open. In that position, you could reach back, grab the small of the stock and quickly rotate the gun forward with a sudden stop at hip level. The slide would fly home, chambering a round. It might sound kind of "cowboyish" but that was about the extent of our tactical training in 1973-1976. I can tell you this, when you performed that action when challenging someone "on or near" our post, it brought the individual to a complete stop. Seems that the sound of a "bolt" going home on a cool, crisp, dark, evening makes people's feet stop quickly. haha And, yes, I performed that maneuver several times with that very reaction coming to pass! One of the other detrimental things about the 870 is the price. They always seem to be proud of them..... ;)

[@hrfunk]

The big reason the 870 is more expensive is because of that machined steel receiver. The 2-piece alloy receiver on the Mossberg costs less to produce. Great stories about Iwakini, by the way!

[@mjc4942]

It's interesting hearing how often 12 gauge pumps get used in military and police. Thanks! Lots of people like to knock them, but they're hard to beat.

[@jacobleb420]

@@hrfunk Yes, really a pointless "upgrade" that does not do much else other than increase the weight and price of the gun, just for the sake of saying it's "all steel". Probably one of the reason Remington has been failing in the last 30 years. I've never heard of an aluminum receiver failing on an AR, a Mossberg shotgun, or any other gun for that matter. Most of the pressure is sustained by the bolt and barrel, they lock together and are both steel on all guns with aluminum receivers. Such a dumb moot point when people try and act like you're rolling the dice using a gun with an aluminum receiver...

[@kentuckyjustice1408]

I too, have a long (professional) relationship with the 870. I own multiple versions of the 870 & 500/590. But... I'm a Mossy fan all the way. Admittedly, the first thing I do when I get a new Mossy is replace the safety (if it's plastic). But that "looseness" in the forearm assembly is by design. That's a mud/sand/grit tolerance that's built in. The Mossy has a better shell elevator/lifter, and I've never hung a glove in the 590 while loading, like I have with 870. Also, the 590 has duel extractors, while the 870 has one (but it works), and a broken ejector is a "field fix" in the 590; it's an out-of-service gunsmith job for the 870. In the end, it's Ford vs Chevy. But both are very formidable weapons for anyone's collection, and I'd be comfortable defending myself with either one. "Thumbs up" from this Kentucky boy.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you! I meant to mention the dual extractor on the 590A1 and I flat out FORGOT! Sorry about that. By the way, replacing a broken 870 extractor (which I’ve never seen, by the way) is about a 2 or 3 minute job for an armorer. It can probably be accomplished without even disassembling the shotgun. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!

[@BilgePump]

Kentucky Justice; gotta say I’m with you all the way.

[@gregoryedwards9790]

One has a bayonet lug....so it wins!

[@hrfunk]

@@rimfirejunkie7427 I suspect it was actually the "ejector" that was damaged. Just FYI, if you ever run into that situation again, the shotgun will still function normally. You just have to work the action a little more briskly.

[@mikethomas5412]

Great in-depth look at both guns. Thanks for your time and shared knowledge.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@Duodev]

I think I would go with the Mossberg! Thx !

[@m2gjam139]

The Mossberg 500a is the first firearm I ever purchased its more than thirty years old. A few years ago I purchased a 28" barrel and a standard stock. In case my autoloader ever malfunctions. My hunting days are over can't walk to far anymore. I spent 30 years in service. Usually one man in each squad carried a pistol grip shotgun to breach doors and such. I retired in 2009 so now I have time to shoot recreational again. It's a lot of fun. And the range i use is well run. Again thanks for your videos!

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching.

[@mikejensen6684]

So… If the Mossberg 500 / 590 / 590 A1 is “inferior” due to the alloy receiver, then I’ll argue that all of your “AR” platforms and your beloved Benelli and Beretta automatics are equally inferior. That same logic would imply that all alloy framed automatic pistols are inferior. Action bars wearing in the receiver? I’m calling B.S. on this one. All parts will wear to each other within reason. Once they do, this is a moot point. I own more than a few Mossbergs. I have one with a high round count and can say with authority that there is no excessive wear from the action bars. The safety screw issue, on the other hand, is a little more plausible. I never experienced a screw backing out but have to admit that I have examined one that did. I still prefer the top tang safety over the trigger guard location. Mossberg got the bolt release location right, as well. I did not hear any mention of dual extractors V. single extractor. Yes, the Mossberg will function with only one. I’ve tried it for the sake of argument. I noticed there was no mention of the “staked” ejector versus a screw mounted ejector, but that bias doesn’t work in favor of the 870. I own 870s as well, one of which is a Wingmaster manufactured in 1958. The quality and craftsmanship is outstanding. It’s a shame that Remington cannot produce the same level of quality they once did. Remington still sells 870s based on a past reputation. It’s a shame they went bankrupt.

[@whomagoose6897]

Best thing about both Remington 870 or the Mossberg 590/590a1 is there are tons of aftermarket upgrades for both shotguns. Oversize safeties, better forearms, upgraded springs, saddle shell carriers, metal trigger guards, heat shields, anti recoil buttstocks, optics rails, just be creative. For those that want a bayonet lug on your Remington 870 they are available from S&J Hardware, Ontario, Canada. S&J Hardware also makes a bayonet lug for Benelli M-4 shotguns. Very secure fit on both shotguns. Make sure you get a real M-9 bayonet. Ontario Knife Company makes a real M-9. No China made bayonets! Chinese bayonets quickly break.

[@geegaw14]

Thanks for tip. I have always gravitated to the 870, but always wanted the bayonet lug like the 590a1 has. You know, for all the times you get into a bayonet fight. 😀. I may order one for my 870 P.

[@chtifab1537]

Nice vid, I am interested in the Moss 590A1, your video confirms my choice. Your daughter plays very well the piano, congratulations from France 🇨🇵

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@shaolinwarriormark]

M590a1 retrograde. Wins

[@BilgePump]

Amen 🙏

[@bulldogsofeastvan5647]

Love mine!

[@scottthomson516]

Hard to find now. Spendy too.

[@indalecio539]

@@scottthomson516 I regret just now finding out about this model a week ago.

[@thatxonexguy5438]

Just searched it up and msrp on the manufacturer's website is almost $1k. Whats the difference between the retrograde and if i were to just install wood furniture and a heatshield on a 590a1?

[@mattwalters6834]

Thanks for the heads up on the safety, I’ve never heard it before so I don’t know how common it would be but still, I’ll keep my eyes peeled.

[@John_Redcorn_]

I prefer the crossbolt safety. Its just more intuitive for me, being a seasoned rabbit hunter (using remingtons and benellis). My 870 Express Super Mag has been rock solid. I am however in the market for a 590 because i believe every American should own both 😎

[@mf6532]

Best comparison video between those 2 shotguns. I was thinking of the 590 but I will keep my 28 year old 870P Thank you.

[@hrfunk]

I think the old 870 will serve you quite well! Thanks for watching.

[@mf6532]

@@hrfunk As they say an old soldier NEVER Dies. Take care and stay safe.

[@rickyboyz1006]

Got both, like both. But love my Winchester 1300 speed pump!

[@jeffwise3851]

Have one with the smooth bore slug barrel. nice shotgun. Now to find a shot barrel for it.

[@mcmahon1130]

Smoothest action there is.

[@philgreco3803]

Love mine as well.. light and quick.

[@herman66mi83]

Great video and summary. I opted for 590A1 with M-Lock. Just waiting for delivery which May take months

[@esee5master]

Curious how you found out the mossberg receiver is welded from two pieces. I have looked everywhere and can not find that written anywhere. Wouldn't doubt it but it looks machined from one peice.

[@markreagan2956]

I'm pretty sure it is, I've never heard that either.

[@markreagan2956]

This guy is very bias. He's not addressing the negatives of the 870 but is addressing the negatives of the 590A1.

[@markreagan2956]

When the 590A1 beat the 870 in MIL Spec military test.

[@nelsonr1467]

@@markreagan2956 how could you beat something you didn't even test against? Remington never submitted a shotgun to those tests. Any shotgun could past those military tests its not like military standards are very hard.

[@GUNNYJones-zm5eo]

HR Funk. Well Sir all I can say is well done and yes you was FAR-ish (lol) but overall OUTSTANDING. During my 3 yr stent as a MSG we use the 870 and my later MOS we was issued the basic configuration Mossberg 590. At one of my duty stations we had a compliment of 590 and some 870's. Having grown up with both manufacturers shotguns I always gravitated towards the Mossberg. As you Illustrated both have strong points and weak points. As far as the Tang safety on the Mossberg I have heard of that issue, but I have never personally experienced it nor do I know anyone that has. As far as the length of pull on Mossberg they are generally 14 in LOP as Remington's are somewhere around the 13 3/4 inch LOP. One thing I would like to add sir is the barrel on the Mossberg 590 is a heavy wall Barrel that was specified by the department of the Navy in the initial specs for the platform. Reason being what's the cause of Navy boys can't help themselves banging barrels into the entryway aboard ship causing them to get dings in the barrel. You know those Navy boys they just really need to leave the fighting to us that's what we're here for. LOL..

[@hrfunk]

Well, the Navy guys do like to bang their barrels! (Just kidding guys!). Thanks for a great comment Gunny. I’m glad you liked part-1. I think part-2 will be even better if I can ever get time to edit it and get it posted!

[@wflccb83]

Thanks Funk for another well executed video. I like your delivery more and more with every entry. I own the exact 590A1 you show in this video. I also added a receiver shell mount to add 6 rounds of on board reserve. I'm not opposed to the 870, I just haven't found a reason to get one, given my current shotgun inventory. I added an M9 to mine just for affect. I like the look.

[@hrfunk]

It sounds like you are quite well armed, Kevin. Thanks for watching!

[@howardgalloway5606]

Highly informative, thank you. Your daughter also plays the dulcimer very well.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Howard!

[@patmancrowley8509]

Many years back I purchased a Mossberg 590. I got the cylinder bore with ghost ring sights AND the heat shield. I had to use a sheet of suede to protect the barrel when I worked the heat shield around the barrel (the ghost ring front sight prevented the shield from just sliding down the barrel). But it worked and it looks GREAT! Shoots great, too. My Mossberg has a 6+1 capacity.

[@hrfunk]

Cool! I’m glad you like it!

[@sarico7827]

The 3 I've seen for where Ive been in civil law is the benelli nova, 870 and the mossberg. I would say really can't go wrong. Just what you like more.

[@hrfunk]

It's hard to go wrong with a good shotgun!

[@JimS870]

Thank you very much for this review; I have two 870 Police Magnums (and I used to have an 870 Express) and I have a 20" 590A1 Mossberg. I didn't really think about the action bars on the Mossberg and the alloy receiver until your video. I have heard of people breaking the action bars before (like they come off of the shotgun from heavy use or abuse) and need to be fixed. I don't know how much truth or how common that is. On my 590A1, the barrel ball detent which holds the mag cap on, was not peened correctly from the factory and the spring shot out. I had to get it re-peened in, which a gunsmith had to do. I wonder if that's the same ball detent setup as the safety. I do prefer the Mossberg ergonomics. For example, when I was freezing cold, it hurt to load shells in the 870 mag tube because of the loading gate being down. Really pinches your hand. Remington fixed the potential for this to jam by putting the "flexi tab" system on it, which is why you'll see it has a U-shaped cut out to prevent shells from jamming if you short stroke it.

[@hrfunk]

The safety/bll-bearing arrangment is differnet from the magazine cap. It involves a flat spring and a screw. I still don't particularly care for it. Thanks for the comment!

[@rs2085]

I’m a fan of both, but I have to admit, I have love for my 870P which was made in 80s.

[@gleamtarrest6310]

Wow great vid...now I am even more conflicted on wich one to get ... I am really thinking I will get the 870 police Magnum a little cheaper on Gun Broker right now... Length of pull & barrel length is better for inside the house...

[@fuhq5121]

You make a great argument for Mossberg.

[@ronmcintire7460]

I was taught if I wasn't going to say something nice to not say anything. Mossberg 590A1 all day.

[@Detman329]

They’re both great shotguns, I like my 870, but I’ve had a couple mossbergs.

[@yetisuncle666]

the video was great. covered all the bases, well done. your daughters music was awesome. tell her she did a great job.

[@hrfunk]

Will do. thanks for watching!

[@southtexasprepper6605]

I'm a Mossberg guy all the way, my only problem I ever had was with the safety moving into the disengaged position on my 590A1, I switched to a raised safety switch and replaced the detenter ball, spring and block.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

Dont laugh but the first shotgun I used in law enforcement was a Winchester Model 1897 20" that belonged to my partner, personal owned when riding with him before additional vehicles arrived ( single man units, no FTO program existed anywhere in U.S, FTO was what drunks saw in the sky at night...lookie there an FTO) Later we issued shotguns to individual deputies.( Instead of a common gun locker) These were 870 Remington 20" with bead sights, later rifle sight versions were issued. That was the primary shotgun issued and remains so to this day. Some held four rounds others had extended magazines. Even with slugs and bead sights on the 870 could hit 1/2 size metal poppers at 50 yards all day. I was/am a fan of the 870 it defended me well for 37 years. We eventually had M16A1 rifles but I let my people get those, I kept my shotgun (yes favor the rifle but benefit to my deputies). Never used a Mossberg never even owned one but from all reports it is an excellent weapon. I like the retro 590A1 with bayonet lug and heat shield, the weapon looks rather interesting.

[@salalfda5433]

Thank you for your service, sir

[@wellingtono.2631]

Excellent review sounds like a real instructor 👏👍

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@daleadmire1451]

I will take round capacity all day long, the Mossberg wins!

[@scottperson9487]

Extensions are cheap for the 870.

[@cattledog901]

@imgone lmao you sound like whiny little bitch

[@hav2win]

@imgone Dude, just say no to drugs.

[@92notchback302]

@@scottperson9487 wow, that escalated quickly. And for no particular reason. All you did was state a fact lol

[@mikemurray2298]

What he failed to mention is this Remington 870P has a 18" barrel with only a +2 shot extension on it. The Mossberg 590A1 is a 20" model which has a longer magazine tube, that's the only reason they hold more. Remington 870P 20" models with a +3 shot extension will have the same round capacity.

[@WiTuLoooo]

I also like the location of the safety on the Mossberg over the Remington

[@Gieszkanne]

Its no safety on both guns. The best thing is to ignore them.

[@howitzer8946]

Obviously I am late to the party. Just found your channel. I am a Vietnam vet, former police officer of long ago, I used Mossberg then. I have had a couple 870s but not Police model. I have a chance to pick up a nice retired Remington 870P, so I am going to grab it. Thank you so much for your informative video. I have subscribed! Merry Christmas 2021.

[@hrfunk]

Merry Christmas to you and thanks for the subscription!

[@452Rob]

I just bought a 590A1 in the XS sight/picatinny rail version. I kinda regret not just getting the bead sight version. I was hoping to shoot slugs and buckshot out of it but trying to sight it in at only 50 yards for slugs I find that XS rear sight post is up almost as high as I can get get it and it looks awkward and not having the protective wings I'm a bit leery of it. Where I have it set currently, various slugs are basically on at 50 yards (some high, others a couple inches low and left, others a bit high and right) and buckshot tends to hit dead on at 15 yards. It's gonna see buckshot use most of the time. I'm halfway tempted to buy a bead sight replacement barrel for it and remove the rear sight and rail but I'm still debating options.

[@hrfunk]

I think you’ll be interested in seeing how well the slugs do from the barrel with a bead sight when I get part-2 of this video up.

[@452Rob]

I am really looking forward to it. I really enjoy your videos as well.

[@mikekillin471]

I gt a Winchester home defender made n new haven runs good smooth yout opinion 3rd inf division 76 2 1980 good review

[@scottperson9487]

Amen on the leftie issue! Of course this is true for many shotguns and rifles. It is a training issue however it is not easy to overcome and if prone can be very difficult.

[@christurner8255]

I just love pump action 12 gauge shotguns. I have two 590A1's, 2 590s, 2 500s, and 2 870s. These are versatile and durable guns that represent an incredible value. I got both of my 590a ones in 2019 and they were both less than $430. Now they're much more. I want a retrograde 590 a Mariner and a blued 590 with the 20" barrel and bayonet lug. Mine are all parkerized or matte blued except for my 20" 500.

[@YourLocalR3NecK]

Both are strong well built shotguns that have stood the test of time. They do have their similarities and differences in controls layout and materials construction and quality like you mentioned. I personally prefer the 870 in general. I really dislike the ambidextrous safety on the Mossberg's and the full steel receivers and machined bolt and extractor on the 870 Police Magnum are my preference. Overall great video and comparison, I get you and everyone else are gonna have their biases but it was a great overall video either way. Good concise information and demonstration of their similarities and differences. Great content, and I appreciate you comparing the two! 👍

[@donkeyblue3094]

Mossberg also has duel extractors vs one for the Remington.

[@cattledog901]

Can you tell me how to remove the sling stud from the 870 barrel clamp? Tired of it clanging around. Thanks.

[@hrfunk]

I’m not entirely sure it can be removed. You can however purchase factory and after market clamps without the swivel stud.

[@mountainhobo]

I have used the 870 but only played with the 590. It appeared to me that the safety on the Mossberg because of the ball bearing design feels binary - it's on or off, no in-between ambiguity. On the 870 I managed a couple of times (user error admittedly) to insufficiently depress the tang safety, and the gun wouldn't fire. It wasn't immediately obvious to me when I was pressing it, it lacked the binary feel of the 590 safety.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks for the comment. That’s one of those “muscle-memory” kind of points that I’m so used to that I don’t even think of it.

[@toddkilby5275]

I'm a lefty and own 870 left hand and a mossy 500. I have always liked the tang safety better than the crossbolt safety. No offense to anyone but I believe that hole thing with the steal receiver being supior to the alloy is old school thinking. I believe in all practical uses a 500 or 590 will last as long as any 870 . It's logical to think otherwise because the 870 feels more solid but that's all. Mossy is just as durible. Of course this is based on my experience. I have owned many of both. Great video 👌

[@cory5890]

Great video, im a mossberg guy but also like the 870p. The beeds are fast and i like the raised beed on the 870. I like rhe shorter 18.5 inch barrels as well for the same reason you do. My mossy is an 18.5

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

Wait a minute, is there really people out there that think the 870 is superior? That blows my mind, I bet they are the same people that think the 1911 is the best pistol ever made too.

[@hrfunk]

Well, now that you mention it…..

[@harrypeterson9287]

i don't see the rattle as an issue and the dual extractors of the 590 help ensure extraction. I once had some Federal shells deform in the tube leaking shot buffer everywhere in my 870, it jammed it to the point that I had to beat it against the ground to open up the action and the extractor kept slipping off the rim of the shell, I'm not saying it couldn't happen with the 590 but the dual extractors might help.

[@hrfunk]

Maybe, but that shell would most likely still be stuck.

[@harrypeterson9287]

@@hrfunk Probably, it took a wooden dowel to get it out. In a less severe case I think the dual extractors could help. I also think a lot of why 590A1 feels less maneuverable has to do with the heavier barrel combined with the extra overall length, a regular 590 barrel feels better to me when transitioning from target to target.

[@jimmorrison306]

Not to start a storm, but I just never use the safety on my 870. It is kept with hammer down on an empty chamber. This is easy to verify any time you pick the gun up.

[@Elvis68spec]

Interesting Video! I'm a Remington Man, myself! That was our issued Shotgun. About 2 years before I retired, the Department went to the Mossberg 590A1. Not a bad Shotgun at all. I just preferred the Remington, so I'm with you on that one!

[@hrfunk]

The 870P is just a rock solid platform. It’s hard to beat!

[@steveholt3089]

have you tried out any new 870s? made in the last 2 years? I've heard rumors remington has gone down in quality i wonder if their 870s were effected..

[@hrfunk]

The last brand new 870’s I had any experience with were some of the 14” models acquired for our tactical team. That was probably 6 or 7 years ago, and they were great little shotguns. The quality was the same as I’ve come to expect with the 870P over the years I’ve used it. I have not handled a brand new one in the last year or two.

[@jeffwise3851]

Bought an 870 new 3 years ago. Quality is in the toilet. To be fair I have not shot a new Mossberg but I am going to buy soon and get rid of the 870. I'd buy an older used 870 without hesitation.

[@hrfunk]

May I ask what is wrong with your new 870?

[@jeffwise3851]

@@hrfunk The overall quality has gone downhill. Fit and finish is marginal. Sharp edges, rough action. Mine has not gotten much better after almost 400 rounds through it. The magazine cap is not a screw in piece it is a friction fit with stamped detents. Pain in rear to remove and install. I have an older 870 that has no issues but it is a 2 3/4 receiver and I wanted something in 3". I have looked at new 500's and they have gone downhill a little but not like a Remington IMO. I will probably purchase a new 500 in the near future. If I were to buy another 870 It would be an older gun only.

[@hrfunk]

There are a LOT of used, older 870’s out there. You might want to hold off until you can find one.

[@mrweeby1961]

I was exploring the 590 vs 590A1 differences again, particularly the barrel thickness for accessories, and ran across this video comparison. I have multiples of both brands with the cadillac being an ex Ohio National Guard 870 Wingmaster with the bayonet lug attachment on it. There is one aspect of the 590 I think is superior and that is the internals in the receiver being removeable/replaceable unlike Remington with the staked in parts. I've had some of those come unstaked and good luck getting them back in without some special tools. If I were now picking only one I'd have to take a military spec. 590A1.

[@hammettb1]

I too have both the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 590A1 and have also noticed how the Mossberg tends to “feel” a little longer than the 870. I believe this may be due to the slightly increased distance between the rear of the pistol grip to the face of the trigger on the Mossberg vs shorter distance on the Remington. Great video! I really enjoy your stuff. Keep up the good work, Chief!

[@hrfunk]

Will do! Thanks for watching!

[@jameshoward3071]

What about all of the light primer strikes from mossberg 590,500,88 but mostly the 590 and the weak prong trigger group on the 500

[@tylerfields2733]

One thing to consider as well is that if you are wearing gloves (either for cold weather or law enforcement/military use) you can get your glove fingers pinched between the shell loader and the magazine tube of the 870 when loading. If you are trying to reload the mag tube quickly and under stress, it can rear it's ugly head. I own both and I like both.

[@hrfunk]

Good point!

[@patrickorahilly2862]

I used the 870 and variants for 26 years in the Border Patrol. It is a sturdy, reliable, well made firearm...at least it used to before Freedom Group bought up Remington and a lot of other iconic brands. I would and have bet my life on it. It cycles very smoothly maybe a little bit better than the Mossie. That said I have two of Mossies, an 18 1/2" and a 20" 590A1 both with ghost rings. I love the tang mounted safety and the speed with which they shoulder and point. Neither of these however holds a candle in terms of the smoothness of the action to the High Standard of years past...

[@hrfunk]

You've just gotta love a good shotgun! Thanks for watching!

[@timothyconnecticut1910]

That ball bearing your referring to is a detent ball. It sits in a machined detent with spring pressure behind it. This as you know is what locks the saftey in the chosen position. Thank you for the in dept comparison of these two popular shotguns.

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Great points on the differences in each shotgun Hrfunk.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@PoliticallyIncorrect-1776]

Sir, I don’t mean no disrespect by this. The very first person I thought of when I saw this video is Floyd R. Turbo. I love both shotguns. I own both. I like the Mossberg 590 A1 slightly more due to the mechanical safety. I was in Iraq and we used Mossberg 500s for door breaching. I’m just biased that way I reckon. This is a great and informative video. Thank you for posting it.

[@hrfunk]

No worries. I have no idea who floyd R. Turbo is. Thank you for your service to our country. I'm very happy the 590 A1 served you well. Thanks for watching!

[@intense_pickle]

I wouldn't trust anything Remington has produced post-Freedom Group...That being said, I've owned 3 Remington 870s and they've all been work horses. Love em.

[@jonyjonsy]

What happened to remington after post freedom froup? (What is freedom group?)

[@JimS870]

Thank you very much for this. I have owned an 870 Express 2 shot extension 18.5" and currently own 2 870 Police + 2 18.5" models (walnut, one blued one park'd). I also own a 20" 590A1 with Magpul forend and butt stock. I thoroughly enjoyed this review. I have had 0 issues with the 870s but I prefer the controls for the action release on the 590A1, but I could take or leave the safety positions. Issue I had with the 590A1, is that the barrel ball detent system (I'm assuming similar to the safety) falling out, and having to be peened over again properly by a gunsmith. My friend's had the EXACT same problem. However, I have never heard of the aluminum alloy receiver failing, even at the action bar area. Is there any documented evidence of this happening? I know that Mossberg's system locks up steel-to-steel and the aluminum receiver just holds the parts together. But I could be wrong.

[@hrfunk]

I don’t know of any documented cases. It was more of a surmise based on the idea of steel working against aluminum. Then again, AR15 rifles don’t seem to have a problem with that.

[@dudespin]

What’s the difference between Remington 870 police or the Remington 870 Express Magnum? I have the Remington express magnum purchased around 2004, before the financial troubles began. Thank you.

[@hrfunk]

The differences are mainly in finish, quality control, and things like a metal fire control housing as opposed to polymer, and of course the magazine. The basic design is the same.

[@troyladoux1953]

My 590A1 has a heavy walled barrel. How do the barrels compare in thickness?

[@hrfunk]

I haven't tried to measure them, but I don't know of either one being particularly weak.

[@johnmorganjr769]

Kudos! great presentation!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@lo-fidevil2950]

I have that same 590A1! Including the stock with shell holders and the bayonet lug. First gun I ever bought. I used to take it skeet shooting. The guys at the range thought it was weird, but they let me go ahead.

[@hrfunk]

Good for you! I hope it worked well.

[@travhammer]

The reason for the 590A1 seems a lot out front is well, because it is... That is too say, center of balance is at the receiver for ur 870P. For the, 590A1 , center point is a good bit forward of the ejection port.

[@r.powell2351]

Awesome review, sir-Made all that much better by that intro performed by your very talented daughter.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@cmorris406]

First time I've ever heard of a tang safety screw backing out. 590a1 safety > 870. 870 is a great shotgun, I own 3, but the 590a1 is better.

[@hrfunk]

In your opinion, what makes it better?

[@cmorris406]

@@hrfunksingle vs duel extractors. During desert storm, the extractor (MIM) on my 870 broke rendering the 870 useless. Duel extractors share the stress burden, and if one does break, you can still run the gun. I have 3 870's and a 590a1, I would personally grab the 590 in a SHTF scenerio. JMHO

[@hrfunk]

I’m surprised to learn there was a MIM extractor on a military issued 870. In the thousands of rounds I’ve seen run through military and law enforcement 870s (some of which were older than me), I only remember one broken extractor. Even so, your point is taken. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment.

[@cmorris406]

@@hrfunk I enjoy your channel, and thank you for your service!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome, Sir. Thank you for watching!

[@jayboy9124]

I own both, mossberg is superior. And my 870 is pre freedom group.

[@markbecker71]

I remember when patrolmen carried 870s ..desperados never complained after it's use..mossberg safety's freeze up ,break etc..often..that was enough for me.great video 👍

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Mark!

[@derekdavis6508]

New Mossberg handgun looks awesome.

[@mikejensen6684]

I own several Mossberg 590A1s. I have never had a safety screw back out. The early 500 ( at least 40 years old, single action bar...) that I grew up with is still bone-stock and has never failed. It served well as a ranch utility and waterfowl gun on the Texas Gulf Coast. Never abused, well used. Still going strong.

[@hrfunk]

Good! I hope they all continue to serve you well!

[@WiTuLoooo]

Here's my main reason for preferring the Mossberg over the Remington: on a mossberg, the ejector is installed with a screw and can be easily replaced if need be....on a remington, the ejector is riveted on, so it has to go back to remington is the ejector needs to be replaced....personally, I would always lean towards a system that I can fix/repair by myself at home...JMHO and $.02, YMMV

[@hrfunk]

Just as an FYI, in all the 870’s I’ve ever been around, used, or maintained (which is a LOT), I have seen precisely 1 ejector spring break on a very old, well worn shotgun. Even if it does break, the 870 will still function properly if the shooter runs the slide briskly. For those reasons, I don’t see the riveted ejector spring as a big shortcoming. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!

[@donaldduck4867]

Ho Lee Fuk I had a a piece of shit 870 years ago. The ejector spring bent out of shape and made the gun useless. I’m glad it didn’t happen in an emergency. Mossberg wins.

[@brentsaylor1725]

@@hrfunk Murphy's law, what can go wrong, will. Usually at the worst time. Anything can break made by man I'd rather be able to fix it myself. Same reason I like Glock. Easy to work on. The Mossberg can be fixed at home for about a four dollar part. The Remington. You're gonna have to send that in.

[@hrfunk]

@@brentsaylor1725 Not anymore.

[@mjc4942]

I've had an 870 express for a long time. As a lefty I got used to clicking the safety off with my left thumb. I recently fixed that and made it a lefty safety.

[@hrfunk]

I use my trigger finger to disengage the safety. I can't envision how you did it with your left thumb. Can you tell me?

[@mjc4942]

@@hrfunk welcome to adapting to a right handed world as a lefty. Pick up a right handed 870 with your left hand on behind the trigger. There was only one way I naturally saw to press the safety. With my thumb before I shoulder the gun. It's not as crazy as it sounds. I've been safe.

[@hrfunk]

@@mjc4942 OK, I get it now. Thank you!

[@789295]

Thanks for a nice comparison video! One thing you didn't really bring up was that even though the receiver on the Mossberg is an alloy, and the receiver on the 870 is made from steel, both brands lockup the bolt to the barrel which is steel to steel. Most all modern designed shotguns now have an alloy receiver. All of them have a bolt that locks into the barrel one way or another. That even includes the Winchester 1300/SXP system which actually has a rotating bolt like an AR15. However, long live the 870 for its durability and heritage! Shotguns are my thing, and I find something interesting in just about every one of them :)

[@hrfunk]

Thank you! I’m a lifelong 870 fan. I haven’t had a chance to try out one of the new versions yet, but my old 870s will probably outlast me. Thanks for watching!

[@chadcowman6293]

Where do you get the 870p anyways?

[@hrfunk]

Nowadays, you’ll probably have to search the used gun racks.

[@brock3426]

I used to have a Mossberg 500 it was a good hd gun but it would stick a little when I pumped the action I sold it not because of that but other reason. I just got a newer model 870p off gun broker with the wood on it I always wanted a 870p hope the newer ones are good guns. I had to finde one on line because for some reason no one in pa in my area can get them or will get one.

[@hrfunk]

I hope it’s a good shotgun for you! Be sure to let me know how it does when you get a chance to shoot it.

[@basswars7060]

I have two Remington 870 Police shotguns and they have been absolutely perfect. The police version of the 870 is the best pump shotgun on the planet.

[@jameshoward3071]

The Remington 870 has never had a light primer strike problem and has never had a trigger group breakage problem. Like the mossberg has had for years now with no fix from mossberg .

[@justoldjoe9328]

I come from a hunting background. I don't have any law enforcement history and during my short time in the army I never touched a shotgun. With that in mind, my first shotgun as a kid was a Mossberg. Its been several decades since then and I've tried most of the common makes of shotguns since then. I've found that for me I have too many years of operating the safety with my thumb. My Mossbergs, several O/U shotguns, my favorite rifles, even handguns(that have a manual safety).... all of them use thumb operated safeties. When a bird flushes or a rabbit sprints by, my thumb does what it knows. I assume the same would hold true for two legged targets as well. I've missed out on several shot opportunities trying to get the safety off on other styles of shotguns while hunting. I don't want to take the chance of missing the one shot opportunity that saves my life in a self defense situation. This made me want to get out the old scattergun and bust some clays or take a walk in the woods. Looking forward to part 2. Thanks for the video friend.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment.

[@kencorsell8087]

The first firearm I ever fired was a Mossberg 22LR bolt action that I got my Boy Scout Merit badge with in the 60s, believe it or not Boy Scouts used to teach shooting. That being said I worked as an instructor teaching skeet and trap at a range that feature Remington 870s, 1100s and 3200 O/U for rent, so I got to see how reliable they were even under the worst conditions. When I went on the Police dept we trained on 870s and they were even more resilient considering that during training 250 men had to qualify on only the same 10 870s. So I might be a little bias, even though I’m left handed and like the safety on the Mossberg, I found that holding the pistol grip with my left hand with my middle finger wrapped around the trigger guard allowed instant access to the safety and also protected the trigger from twigs and branches when hunting in thick woods. While the department did not believe in over arming us, as a Swat member we would occasionally get called out on stakeouts, where it would have to double as a rifle for longer distances using slugs, again I like the 870 better as you noted the forend is much tighter on the gun when trying to aim at a smaller distant target it just feels steadier. One of the things I really liked was how easily it could be unloaded, which has to happen every time you use it and don’t shoot it. With the safety on, and holding the gun with your left hand wrapped around the receiver with your left index finger where the magazine tube meets the receiver, push the slide release and slowly start sliding the bolt towards its open position. You will be able to see the shell in the chamber come out of the chamber and start to tilt out of the ejection port to were you can easily remove it. Without sliding the slide back any further reach into the loading gate pushing the gate in towards the bolt. Now continue bringing the slide back to the fully open position and the first round in the magazine will be ejected out of the loading port w/o having to be chambered. Remove that round and with your index finger reach inside the edge of the magazine tube, you will find two catches one on each side of the tube, push them back and the second round in the magazine will eject out of the loading port, continue same procedure until magazine is empty. Being able to unload gun without having to rack the live shells through the chamber, especially in public won me over. Not that there is anything wrong with the Mossberg.

[@hrfunk]

Agreed! As I mentioned to someone else, I should have demonstrated that unloading technique. Maybe I’ll make it the subject of a short video in the future. Thanks for watching and thanks for a GREAT comment!

[@troybingham6426]

Is it possible to mount a flashlight on a Mossberg 590a1?

[@hrfunk]

With all the different mounting options that are available, I’m pretty certain it’s possible.

[@1977Yakko]

I too have both albeit with some differences. My Remington is the Express version of the 870 Tactical. Ghost ring sight, 6+1 cap and a breaching choke that I'll never use but it looks cool. I was having occasional failure to extract issues so I replaced the MIM extractor with a Volquartsen machined replacement and I've never had issues since. I added Magpul furniture and a metal follower. Aside from the weak MIM extractor, one quality issue I find somewhat distressing with my Remington (which I got just prior to their going bust in early 2020) is the condition of the inside of the barrel. It's not smooth at all. Lots of visible grooves and outright gashes IMO. I sometime say it looks like it was bored out with a "dull butter knife". But, with a good extractor now, it works reliably. My Mossberg is also a 590A1. A simple bead sight, 18" barrel (no bayonet lug sadly) with a 6 +1 capacity mag tube. The extractors are reliable in the Mossberg and the heavy walled barrel is very smooth inside. I added Magpul furniture to this shotgun as well. I like the hybrid pistol grip with traditional stock as it's ergonomic IMO. Sadly this shotgun had an issue out of the box as well and that's a weak mag tube spring. The last shell was difficult to unload manually and sometimes failed to feed when shooting it at the range. Mossberg sent me a replacement spring along with a new shell stopper and interrupter but I ended up getting a Wolff mag tube spring which has resolved the issue reliably thus far as it has a bit more power/tension. Now that I've laid out my life story with shotguns (LOL), anyone else have the same issues or heard of others having these issues. I'm very happy with both shotguns as I have them set up now but I was seemingly unlucky with both at first unfortunately.

[@hrfunk]

I’m glad you got them both sorted out!

[@jamessnider4605]

Yet another fantastic video Sir! I really enjoy the practical no-nonsense approach you bring to your reviews. The experience is evident and you strive to remain neutral. There are few things I like less in KZbin land than the fake experts and biased reviews of fanboys. My thoughts on this review are as follows: I am a huge fan of shotguns in general. The versatility is second-to-none in my opinion. With the simple change of a shell you can go from less lethal to anything from light bird shot to 00 Buck, slugs, and even some of the designer rounds (a waste of money in my opinion). When I first joined the PD in the mid 90s our Caprices were outfitted with the 870s and it was a faithful companion until I left in late 2004. I found them to be very capable and durable plus I was very familiar with the 870s having grown up hunting with an 870 Wingmaster. Sadly, in my own personal experience, in recent years both the 870s and the 590s have seemed to have lost quite a bit of quality. Recently I was in my LGS and comparing a new 870 synthetic to what I thought was a lesser Savage Security. The Savage was tighter, ran better, and overall just felt like a higher quality shotgun despite the fact it was well over $100 less. In talking to the guys who ran the range for the gun store they agreed with the assessment and stated so did a lot of their customers. Because I was looking for another shotgun I ended up buying the Savage for $219 + tax. For that rather paltry sum of money I got a pistol grip, ghost ring sights, and a fiber optic front sight. I must say, after a couple of hundred rounds the shotgun has been 100% and seems to be a great possible alternative for anyone who is concerned about the direction some of the other companies have gone with their quality control.

[@hrfunk]

I just looked at the Savage website, and it appears their shotguns have a lot going for them. I'm curious how they are able to sell them at that price point and still make money. I think one of the issues shooters tend to see with the 870 is Remington's efforts to remain competitive in terms of price has resulted in their cutting corners in the manufacturing. The 870P (at least those I have handled most recently) continue to be solid shotguns, but their price is up around $900 depending upon which specific version you're looking at. Very few buyers in the home defense market want to spend that kind of money. So we end up with the various HD and Express versions of the 870 that sell for roughly half the price of an 870P. The fit, finish, and components of those less expensive shotguns reflect the steps taken to lower the price tag. Fortunately, there are literally millions of used 870's on the market and they are extremely affordable. I saw a very nice example in a used gun rack a couple of weeks ago with a fully rifled slug barrel for $350. If I didn't already have too many, I would have brought one home with me.

[@jamessnider4605]

@@hrfunk That is an excellent point. You definitely get what you pay for. The 870 I was looking at was not the 870P, it was in fact an Express around the $375 price point so one should expect less. For that reason, and the nostalgia in me, I prefer the used market in most cases. We tend to live in a throw-a-way society and I like the quality of days gone by. Be safe.

[@hrfunk]

So do I! Take care.

[@garywixson8852]

James Snider, Where is that Savage Security made? I read somewhere (don’t remember where) that they’re made in China. Is that true?

[@devildog3246]

I'll always be a 590 fan. I was issued this shotgun, and used it as a "key to the city". Not many doors stayed locked after using that key. LOL! The 870 is a great shotgun, but my heart is with the 590A1. This was the shotgun issued to us. From the old beaded front sight and heat shield to the ghost ring sight models nearing the end of my career. Both... Just devastating. To be honest... I wasn't to happy when Benelli M4's started being issued. Semper Fi!

[@devildog3246]

On this one I have to disagree with you. After very heavy use in combat I never saw any signs of wear or any other issues with the 590. Mind you in some of the AO's I was in we used them regularly and hard. I never even heard of any issued of any kind. That's while being fed a steady diet of 00 Buck and breaching rounds... Mostly 00 buck. They just worked, and would eat anything feed to them in any weather or conditions.

[@hrfunk]

Interestingly, that was my same experience with our 870’s when I was in the Corps. Some of those shotguns had been beaten to death, and they still kept working. I guess that just goes to show how good both of them are. Thanks for watching Devildog. Semper Fi!

[@samadams9557]

I have a variation of each. Multiple variations honestly. I tend to flip flop back and forth on which I prefer. The 870 action is always smoother. There may be multiple reasons for this but two of them are associated with where the cock their hammers, and the shell lifters. The mossberg starts cocking the hammer as soon as the slide action begins. The 870’s cock the hammer about halfway through the slide action cycle, so you have inertia on your side with the 870. I prefer the lifter on the mossberg. I normally don’t have any issues loading an 870 but when I’m wearing gloves I often do. I believe the lifter on the mossberg comes at a price tho in the feeling of the slide action. I’d describe the slide action on the mossberg to dragging a piano across gravel when compared to that of the 870. The trigger on the guns I’ve shot is noticeably better on the 870’s. However, even tho I’m a trigger snob on pistols and rifles, I’ve come to the conclusion that it really doesn’t matter on shotguns, within reason of course. I hesitate to pick a favorite as I’m sure to change my opinion tomorrow. I’d like to take this opportunity to thank our forefathers, as deciding which firearms we want, or even better, which we want to carry today from our collection, is definitely a problem I enjoy having. God bless you all, and I wish you a very Merry Christmas.

[@davidkay4174]

when I bought a combat shotgun , what made me pick the Mossberg was the shell extractor on the 870 the extractor is welded in the 590 is screwed in allowing field service, I like the Finnish on your 870 by the way

[@hrfunk]

I believe you mean the ejector. In any case, have you ever seen one fail on an 870?

[@davidkay4174]

yes your right and no i have not heard but I still like the idea of not having to send a gun back to the mfg@@hrfunk

[@stevencbradley]

Watched your two videos on the 870 vs. The Mossberg 590A1, & enjoyed them greatly. I commented earlier but couldn't locate my comment, so I wanted to let you know my choice--since it was largely due to the videos, and your gracious reply to my questions. I chose the Rem. 870 in the "Deerslayer" model. I think that was its designation. It's got the 20" smoothbore barrel with IC permanent choke and open sights. I didn't like the "tactical" furniture on the tac model, and I knew I would want a model with iron sights. I didn't care so much about a high capacity magazine tube (this one has a 4 round tubular mag. plus 1 in the chamber), since I'm not an LEO. The good thing is I can carry this in the forest (I live in Payson, AZ, which is in the Tonto National Forest and has lots of wildlife, including numerous coyotes, mountain lion, bear, etc. That was more the basis for my choice than two legged predators. All this to say THANK YOU for your advice. I appreciate it deeply. Keep up with the videos. They are GREAT.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you for the kind words. You chose a great all-around shotgun. It should serve your purposes very well. I hope you enjoy it! Tak care.

[@rong.2457]

I own the M590A1 20” heavy barrel. I’ve put Magpul furniture on it. It’s a beast. SO many better features on the Mossburg over the Remington. The 590a1 has a bolted in dual extractor, the 870 has a spot welded in single extractor. That right there was a deal breaker for me. The larger round capacity is better....

[@donaldduck4867]

I had a piece of shit 870. The spot welded spring ejector got caught and bent out of shape making the gun useless. I’m glad it didn’t happen in an emergency. My M590A1 has had no problems at all! I also have the magpul furniture and the ms1 sling. As well as the M7 bayonet! Mossberg wins!

[@bushcraft_in_the_north]

it is easy too change the safety with a left operated one, i am a right handed shooter,but has changed mine to a large domed one. it's fast and you dont need to use the fingertip. so now it is even faster than a thumb safety.

[@apbiggins8mm]

Great review

[@staceyward9841]

Back in the day when Remington was Remington they were some of the best firearms made, that being said they are totally junk now piss poor quality and that why they have failed!!!! Moss berg all the way !

[@damirjalali]

Thx for prefect presentation

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome!

[@terrylabiche7772]

My Vang comped 870 police shoots #00 into a 36" circle at 50 yards. Mossberg can't compete. I prefer to operate my Remmy.

[@Shinex1]

Well done, thorough, intelligent videos ... thank you and keep them coming please!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you. Will do!

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

That was very interesting, thank you. I have a Turkish made pump action that cost about £170 (if I remember rightly) brand new and has operated flawlessly. I use it for pigeons and clays but my favourite shotgun is my Greener GP; it was made the same year as I was born, 1962, and looks brand new. The police station that I used to work out of had an amoury below ground which had Greeners, half a dozen Lee-Enfield Mk4's and some revolvers but I can't remember what they were now. I suspect that the armoury would have been regarded as somewhat lacking compared to an American police department's!!!

[@hrfunk]

Nevertheless, I would love to have been able to explore it!

[@fordguy61mi]

I never used a shotgun in the Corps in my MOS (Comm), but I did use the 870 at the Sheriff Department in the early 90s and it was a good shotgun. My father gave me his Mossberg 500 before he passed and that’s the only shotgun I have now. I’ve been looking at those short shotguns (the shockwave) and wondering if you find them practical for anything. Great video, Chief. Looking forward to the range video.

[@hrfunk]

You know, I’m kind of lukewarm to the pistol-shotguns. I like their compact dimensions, but without a buttstock, they loose a good bit of controllability. Maybe if I get a chance to try one out someday I’ll be able to give you a better answer.

[@fordguy61mi]

hrfunk They have a Remington 870 version also I believe. If you get a chance to borrow one maybe you can make a video. Probably just a range toy but seems like it would be devastating inside the home for defense.

[@hrfunk]

I knew Remington made one too. Maybe I can try one out in the future. If I get the chance, you will certainly see it and hear my thoughts!

[@panama-canada]

9:38 why nobody else is talking about it? It’s huge!

[@hrfunk]

I don’t know. I discovered it by accident when it happened to the shotgun in the video.

[@howardskinner3405]

Hi. Great pair of videos comparing the Mossberg 590a1 and the 870P. I do have one question about the 870P. It appears on at least some of the wooden stock 870Ps the added magazine capacity is achieved by use of a standard Remington extension tube. (1) is this true and (2) can the shotgun be converted to hunting use by removing the extension and inserting an appropriately shorter spring and using the standard barrel not to secure the spring? Again, great pair of videos. Thanks.

[@hrfunk]

You would need a magazine cap, and it would need to be of the older variety that are compatible with the detent located in the magazine ring on the barrel. Other than that, it’s a pretty easy swap.

[@howardskinner3405]

@@hrfunk Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

[@devonrichards6920]

I have have had a number of 870s they have all rusted just looking at them and have missed many deer in the field cause they looked up on me when they get frozen in north dakota winter. Had to morter them open by slamming them into the ground because they failed to eject

[@hrfunk]

Sounds like you’ve had some bad luck. I’ve never experienced those things with mine.

[@kylemercer6855]

My first shotgun was a Mossberg 500 but I grew attached to the 870 after becoming a Correctional Officer. Having owned both I prefer the 870 over the 500 series. It's nothing against Mossberg I think they are great shotguns but after spending so much time with the 870 its muscle memory. Example my step-father joined me for shooting clays using my Mossberg 20 ga but he was so used to shooting an A5 that when he hit the first clay he kept pulling the trigger due to using a semi-auto shotgun for decades