Respawn IS AFRAID of Movement Mechanics in Apex Legends - Here's Why

[@IniquityGames]

A Michael Scott quote sums up how I've felt towards Respawn since I first played Apex in 2018: "Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate so much about the things that you choose to be."

[@MoDen31]

I also have a Michael Scott quote that describes my thoughts: NO! GOD! NO, GOD, PLEASE, NO! NO! NO! NOOOOO!

[@daniellehwing4667]

I played the campaign first in 2020, then I played Apex and after a few months, I started playing multiplayer. I think I will never return to Apex.

[@lesexypiglet___8599]

@@daniellehwing4667 Don't go back

[@daniellehwing4667]

@@lesexypiglet___8599 One thing that I'd learned is that the TF community worries about my well being more than some friends. You got it m8, I will never turn back! (even made some frineds from Apex start playing TF2)

[@nerdonspeed3493]

@@daniellehwing4667 try apex moded m8 r5reloaded

[@sirluzalot2000]

I've been saying since day 1 apex could be so much more fun if it worked kinda like a solo last titan standing, where you spawned in a titan but could disembark or eject to play as a pilot, and respawn beacons would be used to respawn your titan instead of teammates.

[@Nashi_1981-]

That sounds like an Interesting idea, even if it was an ltm, sadly they’ve made it clear no titans

[@whiteasian3636]

Respawn is a completely different team now. Many developers have left and new design languages have crept their way in throughout the recent years. I used to highly respect respawn and their ideals but this isn't respawn anymore. It's a completely different company which, while I'll still leave a wet patch in my trousers if they announce it, makes me not really want a third Titanfall from these other guys

[@deanwalter4495]

Tf2 sbmm was very light, I was high gen player on consol and often came across newer players and we were wall running and hip firing players, i can see why player bass was small. I can see why movement games can create a large skill gap. But those of us that loves improving at games will eventually get bored if we can't create that skill gap.

[@MoDen31]

Sbmm ruins games

[@deauthorsadeptus6920]

Yes, hopefuly there is a harvester defence mode, basicaly a training ground for new pilots

[@daniellehwing4667]

Respawn is scare to death to relate anything to the Titanfall franchise. Imagine if their players start wondering "what if I had MORE movement?". That would be desastrous, right? Right?...

[@IchBinDerTitan]

Tap strafing is still in the game but it’s main problem is the fact that console players and pc controller players who dont special controls aren’t able to do it. Also have you tried out shadow royal in apex yet? It’s not titanfall movement but it’s the best you can get outside of titanfall

[@MoDen31]

I’ll be making a video on shadow royale shortly :)

[@UnbreakableJake]

I think a Respawn developer once addressed why they try to reign in movement mechanics when talking about "movement creep." The idea is that they want to keep movement tech to a minimum so that 1. Third partying isn't as much of a problem (which might be the reason why punch boosting is gone), and 2. To improve "combat legibility" or "combat readability" - can't remember exactly which term they used. That second reason is why they've had plans to remove tap-strafing. If it were not for the fact that their attempts to remove tap-strafing messed with too many other things, it would probably be gone by now. When I hear people talk about movement mechanics in Apex, they almost always cite that as one of their favorite things about the game - myself included. It's one of the things that helps Apex stand out from other games on the market, and I know that I and others are always bummed to see these mechanics get dumbed down or entirely removed.

[@nek0d3r]

This reminded me of a comment a developer made about basic advanced movement mechanics like wallrunning or double jumping during the 2020 Fight or Fright event. I had to dig really far to find it again, between all the upset about the tapstrafing debacle. The developer listed two main reasons why they would likely never be implemented in the game: 1. They wanted to create a sense of understanding of player location. The movement in TF2 is so fast paced and advanced that, as he says, an enemy could turn a corner and a second later be on a rooftop ahead of you, and that didn't match the pacing they wanted for Apex. 2. It was described as a "dopamine rush" where the high octane gameplay gets a lot of adrenaline going, but then causes burnout quickly. I'm not sure if this argument is equivalent to the problems with high skill ceilings, or if they go hand in hand, but they're definitely related. Seeing their explanation, I can understand a combination of direction on game design that led to these decisions as well as the concerns they have for dwindling player counts if they continued this kind of gameplay. That being said, it also means that they don't want to leave any room for what you could really consider to be a dying genre. I don't think we'll ever see multiplayer AAA advanced movement shooters the likes of TF2, simply because it's just not profitable to do so. Nonetheless, here's the original comment if you want to check it out yourself: www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/jerb7j/comment/g9gmqyl/

[@joshantor]

The irony is a lack of advanced movement INCREASES 3rd partying. 3rd party is an issue because you can't disengage from fights, so whoever is best positioned to 3rd party you by coincidence will almost always take advantage of it.

[@abell8533]

there is no game like Titan fall 2 and sadly probably the only one. try it. dont need to grapple right away nor bunny hope. use car or spitfire to make it easier on you then move to different guns. dont get frustrated. you will fall in love eventually

[@penguinsrockrgr8yt216]

There’s a leak that cod will be doing advanced warfare 2 in 2025 if this is true it might scare EA into making a Titanfall 3

[@MoDen31]

I saw and that makes me excited

[@vsochi234]

its actually scary, if EA gets scared, possibility of titanfall 3 to be trash will be high, because they will try to make it as fast as they can

[@daciannation5847]

@@vsochi234 Titanfall 3 would always be trash with the respawn running these game right now.

[@flarfo348]

i really would like a titanfall 1 esque mode in a new titanfall game. no insane movement mechanics, just the fun af wall running and double jumping in tf1

[@danramirez8553]

Yeah I'm of the constant opinion that titanfall being released next to cod and battlefield wasn't the main reason. If it was, the game would become popular shortly after. not to mention apex also released in between bf and cod so honestly.

[@nathangraham4551]

I watched this after the release of this shadow royal event and it feels like they're using the event to test out the appeal of titanfall movement being introduced to apex. I have to say it's really fun being able to bring titanfall muscle memory into a royale and stomp with superior movement lol

[@MoDen31]

I’ll be making a video on that exact idea soon

[@nathangraham4551]

@@MoDen31 hell yeah my guy looking forward to it 👌

[@toxicriot75]

After one night of playing on olympus after dark, my first pup game this morning looked like a movement god video

[@wtfdafuae7485]

there's a marco's video shows respawn dev his idea movement characters for apex and the dev straight up says double jump and wall-running is too op and hard, Valk with a downgraded double jump is already broken in the game. That i think is enough to say how they think about movement mechanics now

[@Warfrog101]

Ugh...just give me a BOT version of Attrition or Hardpoint in TF1. Then I'd leave Respawn alone entirely.

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

I get that balance is something that's required but at the same time downplaying skill for the sake of appeal is honestly kinda stupid, like in titanfall 2 I always got stomped when I first played after my 2nd to 3rd regeneration I was alot more better because I learner the way how the game played outside of the basics

[@hexcodeff6624]

I don't really try to compete against Pilots in TF|2 Multiplayer and instead try to do fun, supporting stuff like stealing batteries and Wearing down Titan armor. Easy tasks that keep that can be done by anybody.

[@JesusCaminoGarcia]

Great video, keep going;)

[@MoDen31]

Thanks, will do!

[@flipperman182]

it's because so many content creators and from what resspawn thinks the advanced movement is to complex but as a new titanfall player I do not agree with this with just playing the campaign for a bit you can do okay in multi player and that I feel is because of the fast TTK

[@27drdubs]

I love the movement in the titanfall games.....but then every game implemented something that just didn't really belong in the first place. The sliding all over in Warzone is the most egregious mechanic in the last few years.

[@timbarrett4580]

I feel like Titanfall is a nightmare to balance, especially if you're looking to make a competitive battle royale. You can forgive being one-shot by a kraber god across the map or fragged without even seeing the icon or smart pistol'd because you can just respawn instantly. If that happened after you spent time getting your team into a position and getting loot, it'd be infuriating. Movement increases time-to-kill, which is terrible for battle royales. I play TF2 and Apex for different things. TF2 obviously has slicker movement and a faster pace, but Apex lets you be tactical and formulate team plays that feel much more satisfying.

[@timbarrett4580]

Also I kind of like that Apex has movement characters and non-movement characters. In Titanfall, the meta has changed such that basically everyone runs stim, grapple or phase and is constantly on the move so you have to chase them. It's fun every once and a while to find an a-wall player and have to reevaluate how you need to approach them, or position a grav-star or something to get them. One thing Apex legends has over TF2 is the variation in abilities and the fact that it's usually 3v3 so every fight feels super unique, which TF2 can get repetitive after a bit.

[@OhPuffz]

they wont even be able to pull it off since half the og devs left even if they tried

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

At This Point We Have 2 Sides: The Hardcore Mfs That Don't Know The Meaning Of Quitting. These Lads Play Games Like Doom Eternal, Titanfall And Sometimes Halo And Gears. Here There IS A Skill Gap And Quite A Huge One At That. In Doom When You Master The Movement And Weapon Mechanics You Feel Like A God And When You Start That Grind There Is No Going Back, That's Why The Community Has Made Harder And Harder Challenges For Themselves And The Devs Made The Hardest Of Levels Just For Those Dedicated Mfs. In Titanfall The Movement Is Even More Important Than The Weapon Mechanics And When You Git Gud It's Addictive Af. And In Halo... Just Look At Mint Blitz And You'll See For Yourself How Skilled You Can Get, It Actually Appeals To Both Sides Since You Can Also Just Chill You Don't Have To Complete A Laso(Legendary All Skulls On) Run To Enjoy Halo, Sure You Can Become A Master Sniper, Vehicle God, Close Quarters Specialist Ecc... But You Can Also Just Chill On Forge And Play Community Maps Or If You Want To Test How Good You Are Then There's Firefight. In Gears The Gun Play Is The Key, That's Where The Skill Comes Into Play There Isn't Much Movement To Master But When You Git Gud With Your Weapons It's Pure Carnage Filled Fun. Then There's Horde Mode Beloved By The Fans And A Classic Where Kinda Like In Doom You Can Test Just How Far You Can Get

[@JZGreengo]

Level 226 prestige 1, 97 days played, 8k kills s12, s14 4.3k kills, i want titan fall mechanics in this game, atleast in a separate game mode

[@danramirez8553]

This really annoys me because a hard-core competitive game like csgo is popular for not only its extremely competitive audience but also the many mods and custom game modes available for csgo. if titanfall had northstar way sooner... if respawn stuck wjth the hardcore movement aspects and built higher upon then and if northstar had way more felixibility, I believe it would of taken off way harder.

[@Pandagamer400onyt]

this Is not about the vid but my friends call me toxic in titan fall 2 because I use over powerd weapons and then I said what if you had my over power weapons and then they said it would no be toxic XD

[@Sikawi]

Nice 0:48

[@Positive-NH]

respawn keep removing all of it very slowly and im mad cause just starting to learn and after 2 season I just saw changing and changing of movement speed or somethings like that to players act nooby normally -_-

[@tavlingapa]

Because it's not the creators. It's different people under the same name.

[@theskilledfox7394]

The next Titanfall game will never be released... by respawn

[@MoDen31]

Probably not

[@chuuconfused399]

wish you well great words bro ..

[@MoDen31]

Thank you so much

[@coolmedina117]

Rip punchboosting

[@MoDen31]

RIP indeed

[@gladman9634]

Rip Canon strafing.

[@nerdonspeed3493]

player quit the game ‘cause of respawn bad match making system

[@hornylink]

"let me know what you think" I think you don't know much/anything about the games industry. which is kinda funny since most of what you said in this video is correct (and the rest isn't so much incorrect as I don't know if it's correct or not, it sounds fine on paper but I don't actually know) but characterizing the company that made titan fall 2 as "afraid of movement tech in their games" belies an ignorance of the malign influence publisher exert over the studios whose games they publish. Titan fall 2 didn't go main stream, but the reason its multiplayer actually died was because it was full of hacking and cheating and EA would not give respawn the resources to address it for years because it's not profitable to do so. they finally gave respawn the tiny amount of resources needed to fix it because their mismanagement of apex had generated so much bad publicity they needed some kind of good PR stunt. Respawn was working on titan fall 3, EA made the marketing about "the next game in the apex legends universe" because branding. EA also canceled titanfall 3 despite respawn still wanting to make it. I think they moved that team over to star wars games cause the IP's more profitable