Responding to Laurence Fox's vile misogyny | Pubcast

[@dannevirkenz]

As a New Zealander , I would like to again apologise for Dan Wotton's continual presence in the media and the United Kingdom. Our gain has been everybody else's loss. Closing our borders had nothing to do with Covid and was purely a plan to prevent his return to NZ.

[@mishymoo34]

It's not your fault, sociopaths are everywhere.

[@dedoc7143]

There's A Holes everywhere, mate. And GB News is full of them.. As a Scotsman, I feel it is my responsibility to apologise for Neil Oliver, we're pretty sure there was a chemical leak where he was born.. Sorry.

[@ajtp4273]

Wootton needs to apologise to Depp

[@boxingmonkey8621]

Wootton is a pathetic example of a Kiwi Incredible that Britain has embraced him and his camp racist sexist bile

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

Tbh we need to ship him out to see then EVERYBODY needs to close its borders.

[@captainhowdy9845]

GB News said this "doesn't reflect our values", which is just ridiculous. This is 100% representative of everything GB News is about.

[@joee8278]

I'm shocked they suspended him, I thought this is exactly what they expect from their presenters.

[@davidcollin3808]

You must watch a different show to me

[@Lynnefromlyn]

@@davidcollin3808no, YOU are watching a different show from everyone else.

[@campbell3711]

Woke bullshit

[@segue2ant395]

​@@davidcollin3808 Mysoginists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, conspiracy theorists, and liars. You name a presenter, I'll find the evidence.

[@polyestermammoth740]

Jesus, this guy is so inarticulate it’s ridiculous.

[@bananasaboutmovies]

Actually quite nice of Fox to let women know how to get him to walk away from them in a bar in three sentences or less. 😉

[@robert12011]

I thought the comments were quite disgusting, both of them laughing along. Equally disgusting was GB news saying that the comments did not reflect their values, when let’s face it those vile comments exactly sum up their values!

[@nhilandra7586]

Hang on, Gbeebies has values? When did that happen???

[@Kraken54321]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@danh9905]

@@nhilandra7586 When public opinion is against them.

[@rjflores438]

Youre wrong. Lawrence Fox said completely innapropriate things but GB News are not vile and I am on the left, they actually champion free speech unlike many on the left theesedays.

[@chriswing7466]

My heart absolutely goes out to Ava. I've been beyond disgusted by Fox and his behaviour. Also, regarding this video, isn't Ed lovely! You can tell this was difficult for him to broach, with his friend! Well done to you both for covering this topic in a dignified manner. Down with GBNews - fuck them all right up to the sky.

[@django3422]

​@@brianfamilar9800Says a lot about you.

[@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

That's funny because her heart is utterly black for you, leftist.

[@chrischarlescook]

100% agree with Lawrence suspension. But the fact he is talking to Dan, who is a monster and not suspended, is laughable.

[@zephyr8072]

Yesh Dan’s suspended too. It’s a shame that he was apparently just suspended for letting Fox br the rabid dog he is and not for being a garbage abuser but eh.

[@2penry2]

How was he not suspended sooner? The accusations from his last scandal are abhorrent I would have thought even the average GB news viewer wouldn't like the guy.

[@filmneek]

@@2penry2they believed it was lies and a witch-hunt like they normally do when a right winger is revealed to be corrupt.

[@neilloughran4437]

GB News just gets worse and worse... who thought it was possible?

[@Milo-wl2if]

Ava has in a very short space of time has become one of my favourite political commentators. Fox and Wootton are exactly what GBN is.

[@martin-1965]

I am sorry that Ava and so many other women have to share a world with Fox, Wootton and so many of their type. As a man it makes me ashamed but I take solace in the fact I am NOT that type of man. Glad even the Daily Mail are disgusted

[@AdySeifer]

@@martin-1965stop being a martyr

[@martin-1965]

@@AdySeifer Not a martyr - just hate fox and Wootton and that entire cabal of twats. Now I'm off to carry on serial killing...

[@MonsieurBrideau]

GB News just seems to be a cesspit of people wallowing in hate-filled paranoia. Given the allegations against Wootton at the moment, the fact that he finds Fox's repulsive, misogynistic comments funny says quite a lot. I doubt he would find Fox's anti-gay attitudes quite so hilarious. These comments and reactions on GB News absolutely represent what that channel is all about, despite the 'apology' narrative to Ava they're now trying to put out.

[@markmaher4548]

GBeebies is the UK variant of Fox News, so the amount of drivel that they broadcast doesn't surprise me.

[@billkingston4402]

Well said

[@FaceFcuk]

Close the borders

[@MonsieurBrideau]

@@FaceFcuk Too late to close the borders now, the disgusting, right-wing Kiwi is already living here!

[@onlylexus]

What a load of woke bollox!

[@royswales]

Lawrence Fox's Russell Brand moment - remember Brand's interview with Jonathan Ross about Leonard Sachs granddaughter - Dan Wooton is just a despicable individual who will get his comeuppance sooner rather than later.

[@kennycube5126]

Leonard was a classic britsh actor. But I think you mean Andrew.

[@harrylong2796]

To be fair she did sound dismissive of male mental health, not saying she is but that's how she sounded. Leading cause of death of males under 50 is heartbreaking but you can't talk about without "well women too" which definitely smacks of hippocracy considering how women's issues are handled

[@tommckellen342]

All modern politicians are followers of WEF ideology but, if you read Orwell, you’d know that thought control follows many left wing principles (but also extremist right wing principles too). This is why you have so many extremely ugly on the inside, or very mediocre looking externally, butch and uncharismatic women in the UK, such as Ava Evans, who mistakenly believe that all men hornily want to rape her, when for 99 percent of men she is a repulsive type. It might seem a little banal, purile even, to keep drudging up this topic next to other important topics, yet it is something (this tedious, modern, woke battle of the sexes nonsense) for which Politics Joe takes a very ‘WEF’ divide-and-rule stance so it must be dealt with. My point, from the first paragraph of the above commentary, is not that politicians or social commentators should look a certain way, or anything like that, incidentally, if that is what you have garnered. As the ancient societies said, the external might point to certain internal factors but it may also be a result of genetic luck. However, we can generally agree that ancient philosophical ideals, such as the Greek philosophical ideal of the externally and internally charismatic and capable being vs a blue haired, obese, smelly, charmless, unable to engage, listen or impress in any way woke toilet seat of a human, are worlds apart. Since it has been in the news lately, to nonetheless broach the topic, I will make the observation that whenever you come back to the UK from another country, you realise how nearly everyone here, but especially the women, look like charmless tramps, who really are completely unshaggable, as Lawrence Fox got in trouble for saying, not that I’d likely believe every single thing which he believes, and definitely they haven’t been shagged, at least not properly, in months or even years. Nonetheless, this strange modern chimera of a woman is convinced that everyone wants to hornily shag them. I am speaking rather plainly and even in a slightly bawdy way right now, but that is not necessarily a bad thing next to modern political pretence and fibs. Orwell called this human mind control scenario, where human desirability becomes an area in which a government tries to manipulate perceptions of the masses, the ‘anti sex league’ (for Orwell knew that sex, whilst a nuanced topic, is a sign of freedom and even human power in a generally functional society) where robotic females especially (for Orwell knew that women are more emotional and illogical and hive minded so follow ‘party slogans’ more than men) walk around with blank, charmless, sexless faces with red sashes of sexlessness around their waists and hips believing this makes them above all others. This thread is not about women and sex, however, since Politics Joe has been in the news lately for this very topic, I will conclude that Orwell was as insightful as ever that women are key footsoldiers of the New World Order owing to their hive minded, easily programmed psychological make up (yes, women have many relative strengths too, but that’s a separate topic) and the truth; that genuinely capable women stand by men and engage with them in a non robotic way, for far fewer men are deviants than WEF tells you and you must study those types in a certain capable way, will not be revealed to you by the mainstream media.

[@jayc342009]

She is dismissive towards male suicide because she hates men.

[@Winter-CIG]

Did you actually listen to her rebuttal? Women have an equally high attempted suicide rate, they are just less successful in actually ending their life. That's not being dismissive at all - it's a valid argument. It's not tit-for-tat, it's logical problem solving. And I say that as someone who went into that clip having read comments like this and assumed she WAS dismissive having not watched the clip. There is nothing hypocritical about it when we have a distinct lack of mental health support for ALL people. Having that further broken down into sub-services that are tailored towards men or women independently is maybe a good idea but to dismiss her opinion that we'd be better off with a mental health minister is somewhat ironic given your complaints about her response.

[@dikofantastico]

Been waiting for this all day. I’m so sorry Ava had to have that vile little micro-Laurence speak about her in that way.

[@colmhealy8173]

Its just creepy that Dan Wootton was ringing Ava till 1am

[@TregMediaHD]

Agreed . Was my thought also on hearing that

[@31Blaize]

"Stalker" was the word that sprang to mind if I'm honest. If someone doesn't pick the phone up to you the first 5 times, take the hint.

[@Hey_look_at_that]

Yeah that's really creepy behaviour... calling over and over and late into the night 😮

[@TregMediaHD]

@@Hey_look_at_that almost like Coke head behaviour

[@iangarner8857]

Sounds like he's got form for being a bit creepy

[@highdownmartin]

Wooton is a stalking creep. Shame on the woman who gave out your number.

[@AlanMordue-hx5wv]

I am disgusted you have had this Ava, his misogynist rant disgusted me. I am a working class bloke in his late fifties from Durham, glad I didnt have his supposed " education" and various privileges, they patently didnt work. Most men are on your side, honestly!

[@GordonMacleod-s2t]

simp

[@JimBobHog.]

Would you like some vagisil

[@rogertaylor6386]

it's clear the woman is a misandrist

[@michaelmckeown5396]

Laurence "I'm you dad I don't need concent" Fox said something disgusting, imagine my shock.

[@janewest2845]

He has also said “ A woman who willingly aborts a child should be regarded in exactly the same way as a man who willingly commits rape.”

[@RankinMsP]

@@janewest2845 😱😱😱

[@rosshunter9792]

Thanks for saying “imagine my shock” and reminding me that Paul Joseph Watson exists

[@bobbob-wt4nl]

His comments were inappropriate but so were hers. 🤷‍♂️

[@atverde]

Wootton seemed to recognise that the conversation was out of order but didn't have the balls to admonish his stable mate.

[@KebabMusicLtd]

Them two need to get a room.

[@mynewcolour]

Spineless scumbags. This stuff has a horrible effect on whether or not women go into public roles. And women need representation.

[@FaceFcuk]

​@@KebabMusicLtdBBC lover

[@zoundsic]

@@FaceFcuk You been hiding in cupboards as well.

[@Ab.Stat.]

he didn't seem too stable to me

[@dw-yl3ln]

The point she raises about the Tory party MPs is a very salient one. In all seriousness, they really shouldn’t be having their MPs on the same platform as either of these cretins. All banter aside, it’s just such a terrible look to have the people above us, who are setting our laws, being public examples and representing the whole country on the global stage sitting alongside Fox and Wootton.

[@NoName-cu4gr]

Kindred spririts.

[@call_in_sick]

Birds of a feather. Gb news is literally the gutter.

[@robertwilliams4084]

They are not above us!!! They are public servants!

[@markalufc]

And her remarks about male suicide are ok? Cretin lefties never cease to amaze me .

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@robertwilliams4084 Bingo !! Shows where people’s heads are at!!

[@uditfonseka]

I did not think they were vile---just a bit rude. But rude should not be against the law.

[@martinwyke]

He's negging Ava, which is an incel behaviour by him.

[@kennycube5126]

Who's Eva?

[@fumbleBumble82]

When he said "cucked little incel" I though, "does this guy even know what an Incel is"? Because he's exhibiting the behaviours of an incel by referring to "cucked little [men]" but then saying "incels". It doesn't make any sense.

[@markwelch3564]

​@fumbleBumble82 I don't normally reach for playground insults, but in this case "I know you are but what am I?" is the correct response to Fox

[@fumbleBumble82]

​@@markwelch3564 Or just fingers in the ears and go "la la la la la la". hahaha

[@chrismclaughlin6323]

​@@fumbleBumble82He's never got over Billie Piper!

[@julianshepherd2038]

The debate with Norcott seems like a civilised proper conversation. You did nothing wrong.

[@BOZ_11]

it looked ok, but she turned it back to women. if we're talking about women, let's talk. if we're talking about men, let's divert it to women. it was a small error blown out of proportion by the twits at GB "News"

[@steve10]

Apart from trivialise male suicide.

[@davysmith8738]

​@@steve10pish

[@toekneekerching9543]

@@steve10 Fox shouldn't have said this though because it has taken all the attention off her disgusting behaviour and made her out to be a victim. Fox should have seen this coming.

[@julianshepherd2038]

​@@steve10she didn't do that. I watched it. She said it was a crisis for men, women and children.

[@spurge83]

JOE was disrespectful about the late Queen's final moments on Twitter. Was that "vile misogyny"?

[@yc9129]

As a man I find this whole story disgusting. How dare Lawrence fox speak about anyone in this way. Men need to be calling this behaviour out

[@jangles8061]

@yc9129 Thank you for saying this ❤

[@Chasemcloud5745]

Stop being a gender traitor

[@toekneekerching9543]

As a man i find it disgusting that this woman thinks its stoking a "culture war" to talk about mens suicide and is so uninterested in people committing suicide that she teamed up with O'Grady to brow beat Geoff Norcot into shutting up on live TV.

[@MrRailjunkie]

Correct I stand with Ava.

[@Chasemcloud5745]

@@MrRailjunkie pathetic waste skin

[@roderickjoyce6716]

GB News: watch the inadequate son of a famous father. in conversation with New Zealand's worst export ever.

[@christiangerhardt2408]

Lets all stand up and raise our glasses to the brave soul...... Mr Fox.

[@duckweedy]

Talking about any woman's attractiveness is a typical Donald Trump insult. It has become normalised now.

[@armondtanz]

They literally call out his wild hair, his little hands, his skin color, his overweightness when playing golf, his voice??? Lol, u gave literally the worse comparison possible.

[@susanb4816]

Nah it has always been one of the aticks used to beat women into silence

[@iangascoigne8231]

@@armondtanzIt’s not a bad comparison at all. When Trump gets accused of sexual misconduct, his go to line is he hasn’t done it because the accuser is too ugly.

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@armondtanz Who is they?

[@SlowhandGreg]

Vile bully especially against women women what's not to compare@@armondtanz

[@ajrh82]

Just Fox revealing himself as he has done many times before. It shouldn’t be a surprise and hopefully there’s some lasting consequences for him this time. Keep doing great work Ava and the PJ team

[@hamwhacker]

Nothing wrong with Fox! Free speech is good. Those who get so offended that they censure people are the problem

[@JohnClark-ew8dh]

​@@hamwhackerso Fox is afforded the get out of jail free speech card by you but those who oppose his disgusting comments arent allowed to speak out against them? Thats not free speech is it

[@hamwhacker]

@@JohnClark-ew8dh Free speech means you are allowed to say what you think without censure or detrimental punishment. Yes it works both ways. It’s not right that Fox gets suspended for exercising free speech. Nothing has happened to Ava has it? Insulting people who you believe say the wrong things is FREE SPEECH. What is your point

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@hamwhacker We don't have a free speech law in this country. The law we do have is defamation. Fox is gone. The world is a better place.

[@JohnClark-ew8dh]

@@hamwhacker why is it not right? If Fox (and you apparently) think its ok for him to make these remarks under the free speech banner then by that token if someone wishes to disassociate themselves from Fox as a result, then by the virtue of free speech and free choice - they are allowed to do so. Free speech doesnt come without consequences on a moral level does it

[@gumusluk05]

He has kids. Let that sink in. Billie Piper dodged a bullet there !

[@lucylu2927]

My heart goes out so much to his kids, and to billie I know from personal experience that trying to coparent with a narcissist is nearly impossible and the damage They do to their children is heartbreaking. Particularly if either of the kids are female

[@ajtp4273]

Ava. You are amazing. Keep doing what you do. Dont let the bastards get you down. Dan and Laurence are despicable. Wootton is already living on borrowed time. He should be locked up

[@mrpokeit]

Holy shit. Hard to think of something as monstrously irrelevant as a journalists' 'shagability'. As a husband and father it just makes me feel sad and deflated, must just be so crushingly boring for you Ava. For what it's worth and as a counterpoint to such bile, not only have you elucidated me on many stories but you have made me laugh snort coffee over my monitor so many times on the pubcast I've popped an invoice for it's replacement in the post. Keep doing the amazing work you do giving a voice to the largely voiceless and try to ignore the useless utterings of such wastes of skin.

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

You’re a good man, a true husband and a great example to your children who will grow up with the right ethics and values and go far in their lives. Thank you for being an antidote to puerile, grubbing guttersnipes like Fox & Wootton 👊🏼🙏🏼

[@simonmaverick9201]

I have never seen such an uncomfortable interviewer.

[@charlotte_stevens]

I was looking for this comment! He made me feel awkward and uncomfortable...

[@Nice0n3]

Laurance Fox seems to be blind ... Then again he probably could never really land a woman like Ava and is desperately trying to make himself out to be the one with "the choice"...

[@keirmitchell5560]

He has landed hot woman.

[@Spangletiger]

​@@keirmitchell5560Were they conscious?

[@l_git]

​@@keirmitchell5560read that back to yourself.

[@django3422]

​@@keirmitchell5560Mhmm. And where are they now? He might be able to charm, he doesn't seem worth sticking around for though, does he.

[@kaitlyn__L]

⁠@@keirmitchell5560go to bed Laurence

[@ComradeSina-nt2ms]

Solidarity Ava.

[@sarkybugger5009]

Breaking: Wootton has been suspended by GBeebies.

[@kat2023.]

It was a despicable thing to say. Who'd want Fox to sh&g them anyway? The thought of him drooling and sweating makes me want to hurl. 🤢

[@django3422]

I've always been bemused by older guys I've worked with making comments about younger female coworkers like "if I wasn't married..." Yeah. 'Cos that's the one thing standing in the way... not the fact you look like shit after 30 years of beer and kebabs, or that you have no manners or respect, etc...

[@DHoll25]

Ava's a hypocrite, granted she doesn't need to be spoken about like that but equally should learn to think before she speaks herself.

[@mentality-monster]

Never seen anyone cope as hard as little Laurence.

[@heyasasha]

He's the epitome of privilege trumping mediocrity. One of his many problems is Ava's a good journalist whilst he steals a living and his pathetic ego cannot stand it.

[@Munkenba]

Went to one of the most expensive schools in the country, failed to start a music career and fumbled good opportunities as an actor, then failed to run as mayor of London. The guy is just mad that he's been given every privilege in the world on a silver platter and he still can't find the ability to make a success of it.

[@csoamesy95]

@Munkenba He didn't just fail, he got 1.9% of the vote and lost his deposit lol

[@toekneekerching9543]

@@Munkenba He didnt fumble his career, it was ended after the question time appearance where he rightfully stood up to a racist black woman and challenged her about it

[@Munkenba]

@@toekneekerching9543 Sounds a lot like fumbling to me.

[@MargaretDeakin-d6m]

That man would not have a chance with the intelligent and beautiful woman he insulted.

[@rprobp186]

It’s not like Ava hasn’t said similar…oh wait

[@estebancomulet]

I do worry he’ll be co-hosting a show with Russell brand and Andrew Tate next week. The alt-right grift machine is strong, with very wealthy backers.

[@henyosdilly8999]

The vulgarity from Fox just reaffirms GB News is Trash TV. It's like the Sunday Sport of News.

[@TregMediaHD]

That's offensive to the Sport .😂 Between all the tits were some genuine comedy . GB news is just a joke

[@filmneek]

@@TregMediaHDGBN unfortunately does have some decent content on it with professional presenters with some shreds of decency, but the lowest of the low is Dan Wottons absolute gutter of a show. He’s an absolute pig, and Fox has shown himself to be one too.

[@KP1956-o7r]

No woman, or man would accept being insulted, not least on television - Fox was out of order.

[@ronmastrio2798]

She insulted every man alive.

[@juliechurley2716]

💯

[@dannyquinn9128]

I’m really sorry this happened to you Ava, GB News is the grubbiest channel that has ever appeared on TV. I never thought we’d be on the level of Fox News but it seems we’re getting there.

[@cliffheywood]

free speech pal

[@dodgerboe]

The New Millennials are so Wet and So Far left they couldn’t save themselves let alone defend they’re Nation !!! Feelings what a Joke😂😂😂😂

[@dannyquinn9128]

@sdrawkcabUK there’s alternative viewpoints and there’s GBeebies. Do you have any evidence that other channels are “establishment mouthpieces”, or is that just another catchphrase you’ve heard on GB News?

[@picotconaboy]

Yeeees Ava! Absolutely push GB an ultimatum. Very well said, how can the government have these people on a channel that speaks such vile and disgusting words. More power to you.

[@mrinvisible9175]

Ava has repeatedly said … men are angry because no woman wants to sleep with them … she is hypocritical constantly when she tries to debate anyone.

[@tommckellen342]

All modern politicians are followers of WEF ideology but, if you read Orwell, you’d know that thought control follows many left wing principles (but also extremist right wing principles too). This is why you have so many extremely ugly on the inside, or very mediocre looking externally, butch and uncharismatic women in the UK, such as Ava Evans, who mistakenly believe that all men hornily want to rape her, when for 99 percent of men she is a repulsive type. It might seem a little banal, purile even, to keep drudging up this topic next to other important topics, yet it is something (this tedious, modern, woke battle of the sexes nonsense) for which Politics Joe takes a very ‘WEF’ divide-and-rule stance so it must be dealt with. My point, from the first paragraph of the above commentary, is not that politicians or social commentators should look a certain way, or anything like that, incidentally, if that is what you have garnered. As the ancient societies said, the external might point to certain internal factors but it may also be a result of genetic luck. However, we can generally agree that ancient philosophical ideals, such as the Greek philosophical ideal of the externally and internally charismatic and capable being vs a blue haired, obese, smelly, charmless, unable to engage, listen or impress in any way woke toilet seat of a human, are worlds apart. Since it has been in the news lately, to nonetheless broach the topic, I will make the observation that whenever you come back to the UK from another country, you realise how nearly everyone here, but especially the women, look like charmless tramps, who really are completely unshaggable, as Lawrence Fox got in trouble for saying, not that I’d likely believe every single thing which he believes, and definitely they haven’t been shagged, at least not properly, in months or even years. Nonetheless, this strange modern chimera of a woman is convinced that everyone wants to hornily shag them. I am speaking rather plainly and even in a slightly bawdy way right now, but that is not necessarily a bad thing next to modern political pretence and fibs. Orwell called this human mind control scenario, where human desirability becomes an area in which a government tries to manipulate perceptions of the masses, the ‘anti sex league’ (for Orwell knew that sex, whilst a nuanced topic, is a sign of freedom and even human power in a generally functional society) where robotic females especially (for Orwell knew that women are more emotional and illogical and hive minded so follow ‘party slogans’ more than men) walk around with blank, charmless, sexless faces with red sashes of sexlessness around their waists and hips believing this makes them above all others. This thread is not about women and sex, however, since Politics Joe has been in the news lately for this very topic, I will conclude that Orwell was as insightful as ever that women are key footsoldiers of the New World Order owing to their hive minded, easily programmed psychological make up (yes, women have many relative strengths too, but that’s a separate topic) and the truth; that genuinely capable women stand by men and engage with them in a non robotic way, for far fewer men are deviants than WEF tells you and you must study those types in a certain capable way, will not be revealed to you by the mainstream media.

[@jayc342009]

Yet people are painting her as the victim, i wish i was a woman at times. I can be a vile person and openly show disdain towards men and when i face some backlash i am still the victim. Brilliant.

[@856Edwin]

When has she said that? If your referring to Twitter, then get GB News to move there instead of a broadcasting network on live television. I am speaking as someone who does not like or agree with a lot of what Ava says by the way. I just don't inappropiate mysognistic behaviour.

[@mrinvisible9175]

@@856Edwin And I don’t like inappropriate misandrist behaviour such as Ava constantly exhibits …however as a woman she would never be cancelled or called out for it … where as the word misogyny is thrown about for actions and words that are simply inconvenient truth regarding female behaviour.

[@856Edwin]

@@mrinvisible9175 She has said some messed up stuff for sure but she has not gone on a rant attacking someone personally like Fox did. Like I said, I don't like what she says and that Politics Live segment did get me angry. Men's mental health was supposed to be covered and it just switched back to women and sexual assault. Lawrence could of easily destroyed her argument with some facts and statistics but instead he attacked her personally which you can't do on a supposed serious broadcasting network. He did not mention mental health at all in what he said, he just spoke about her shagability. What's the point in that? He didn't even say what he said to her face. He did with Dan Wooton on his show. Where is even the manhood in that also? Disgusting and you know it.

[@Dave-kg9bb]

Laurence Fox. If ever there was an example that if someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Appalling there are still mainstream(ish) outlets that give him the time. Not believing woottons laugh was out of 'shock' either...

[@stefmanbrett91]

Ava - Please know the amount of support you have! Laurence Fox is an absolute vile person who can't argue his ideas and instead has to demean women to make his point

[@paulhumphreys2902]

I think your comment about the government is absolutely spot on. Surely they cant allow their MPs on there? I also question some of those ex female producers saying this is why we left when how could they not know thats what GB news is? Its literally trying to be UK fox news. Where hard right views and conspiracy nonsense are, mysogeny is never far behind. Sorry this has happened to you Ava nobody deserves this its absolutely disgusting. Im glad fox through wooten under the bus cos it was already clear he found the whole episode hilarious

[@Geoff-kr7xf]

Barry Gardner is a Labour MP who has a slot on Lee Anderson's programme. Politicians participating in programmes is one thing, but presenting a regular show should be against the rules.

[@paulhumphreys2902]

@Geoff-kr7xf well I don't know why any MP is giving GB news the time of day so Barry gairdner going on there makes no sense to me particularly on 10p Lees show...

[@AW-oc1dr]

That is actually disgusting, how could he not be cut off for that? At least you know you got under his skin, when he starts throwing around the kind of dumb shit teenage boys say.

[@Ankit_UK]

Surely this should not be allowed. Shut GBNews down.

[@ian_b5518]

Thought Ava's observation that we should have a minister for mental health was spot on. I believe it also made Mr Norcott sit up and think about it. Good exchange and conversation from both. GBNews stuff was garbage on national tv.

[@Geoff-kr7xf]

It's a paradox that although males are supposed to be big and strong, the provider etc etc, the truth is men often struggle. Hence the high rate of male suicides.

[@kallisto9166]

100% support for Ava, no woman deserves to be belittled like this. Fox is a turd. Also, does GBNews have nothing better to broadcast than their own presenters interviewing each other?

[@PA-lf8sd]

And yet I see women belittling men constantly on telly and no-one says a bloody thing! Typical result of the revenge-driven "equality" of today...

[@sp4rtavus244]

No, there needs to be a minister for Mens mental health.Women have it all atm. End of.

[@Will-lc2lh]

They dont. Look at the majority gender of the top richest people, majority gender of CEO’s, majority gender of the house of Lords, ect, ect…. It will make your paranoid mind feel much better.

[@Vibez369]

@@Will-lc2lh Nonsense! thats all "Projection" from your paranoid mind 😘

[@salvadorallende2524]

Solidarity with Ava. Sorry this has happened. Keep up the good fight and great work you are doing.

[@Minorheadlines]

Totally not surprised that that he said what he said and that GB News approved it before hand. Disgusting behavior

[@johnpirie4804]

No wonder Billie Piper divorced him!

[@cupguin]

I was just surprised GBN has then responded in an almost sensible fashion.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

​@@johnpirie4804I'm j7st surprised that she married him

[@DJFAmenHeavy]

This channel is followed by sways of incel men. Just look at the comments 😂

[@jonsmith5058]

@@johnpirie4804 Billie married him?! Jeez, she has such weird taste in men for a woman that I imagine attracts quite alot so isnt struggling for choices.

[@ChicagoDB]

He was right...

[@upontheroof]

Understandable reaction and intelligent analysis of a disgusting piece of reporting on national television.

[@RalphBrooker-gn9iv]

Is that deeply disturbing mindset really going away though? I worry that it isn’t, that it’s deteriorating. Very disappointing that your contact details were passed on. Good luck through this Ava.

[@KimuratrappedK]

Modern leftists like to play on uneven battlefields. They can say whatever they want about you; be it your mind, personality, physical self or basically any slight they choose. Yet they cry wolf when the same is done to them. How would they win any form of debate without cheating? Cowardice is a key trait for this weak, sick puppy, obedient-to-the-Epstein-class, charisma free generation. Saying this, it's not so much about left of right in the ultimate sense; that's for little minds if taken too seriously.

[@Marcus_MG42]

I support Dan Wootton And Laurence Fox.

[@ovilord]

This kind of talk is designed to drive women out of journalism and out of politics so that dense, mysogynistic politics like Fox's doesn't get torn apart the way it obviously does when intelligent women take it to task. I hope you're doing well Ava and I hope this doesn't deter you. You're a top notch journalist, and you're right on the money with the important topics. Keep fighting the good fight.

[@tobyalan8874]

Hasn't there been some controversy about Dan Wooton recently?

[@droge192]

Whilst Fox's outburst was disgusting on every level, it should not detract from how awful Ava's views were, negating the validity and importance of men's mental health and suicide.

[@Locke350]

The outburst was just a very rude way of saying why would a man with self-esteem would want to be with someone who has such disdain for you because of your sex. One thing that makes him better was that he was critical about a specific kind of person following such an ideology. While she has no issue saying that men are “the most powerful virus of them all” back in 2022

[@Britishrailwaystories]

Don’t think you actually watched Ava’s interview then? Because that’s not what happened.

[@Locke350]

@@Britishrailwaystories Nah, she *did* engage in whataboutism when the topic on hand was about male suicide.

[@drunkenhobo5039]

It is weird how rare it is to see people take the stance "both sides are awful".

[@randylahey2607]

In what way did she 'negate the validity and importance of men's mental health and suicide?' I imagine your answer is going to be an interpretation as opposed to a quote.

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

Solidarity with you Ava ✊

[@MrBigSeanno]

Horrible that she had to go through that, hope shes doing ok, fibgers crossed this will be the end of that vile little man, hogging the limelight.

[@consideredwhisper]

I’m afraid men like him are ten a penny. And have been for centuries in every culture.

[@GH02-o_o]

any excuse to be a victim

[@bec9255]

Is that what you said in court?

[@PS12100]

I watched this episode yesterday and only heard about this drama today. Ava came across as totally reasonable. Geoffs argument (which i agree) was essentially what is the harm in having one for the different challenges men face. Ava's response was totally reasonable and didnt come across as hostile. The real shock was the woman from the TUC across the desk that absolutely proved Geoff's point. Ava was quiet the entire time during that exchange. This sounds like GB News targeting a rival news organisation and an intelligent woman being the face of that.

[@Liverpoolboy01]

GB spews a news organisation 🥴

[@PS12100]

@@Liverpoolboy01 haha I never watch them so have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[@whowherewhatwhywen]

Wow. I think that any woman that he decided to walk away from can consider herself lucky.

[@kennycube5126]

..and any woman who decides to walk away from him, I would consider sensible.

[@andrewclarke6916]

Ava Santina - the woman who MAY have inadvertently just brought about the downfall of GBNews, and not before time either.

[@benjones3466]

If I were a normal news presenter on a programme worthy of respect and the person I was interviewing started with the phrase "we're past the watershed, so I can say this...." The abject terror that would put in me, I just can't believe I'd allow them to complete that sentence.

[@KimuratrappedK]

Modern leftists like to play on uneven battlefields. They can say whatever they want about you; be it your mind, personality, physical self or basically any slight they choose. Yet they cry wolf when the same is done to them. How would they win any form of debate without cheating? Cowardice is a key trait for this weak, sick puppy, obedient-to-the-Epstein-class, charisma free generation. Saying this, it's not so much about left of right in the ultimate sense; that's for little minds if taken too seriously.

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

benjones3466 In other words you are another WOKE pleb who doesn't believe in personal opinion. Let's face it this was about a low-life journalist not someone on the street.

[@tommckellen342]

All modern politicians are followers of WEF ideology but, if you read Orwell, you’d know that thought control follows many left wing principles (but also extremist right wing principles too). This is why you have so many extremely ugly on the inside, or very mediocre looking externally, butch and uncharismatic women in the UK, such as Ava Evans, who mistakenly believe that all men hornily want to rape her, when for 99 percent of men she is a repulsive type. It might seem a little banal, purile even, to keep drudging up this topic next to other important topics, yet it is something (this tedious, modern, woke battle of the sexes nonsense) for which Politics Joe takes a very ‘WEF’ divide-and-rule stance so it must be dealt with. My point, from the first paragraph of the above commentary, is not that politicians or social commentators should look a certain way, or anything like that, incidentally, if that is what you have garnered. As the ancient societies said, the external might point to certain internal factors but it may also be a result of genetic luck. However, we can generally agree that ancient philosophical ideals, such as the Greek philosophical ideal of the externally and internally charismatic and capable being vs a blue haired, obese, smelly, charmless, unable to engage, listen or impress in any way woke toilet seat of a human, are worlds apart. Since it has been in the news lately, to nonetheless broach the topic, I will make the observation that whenever you come back to the UK from another country, you realise how nearly everyone here, but especially the women, look like charmless tramps, who really are completely unshaggable, as Lawrence Fox got in trouble for saying, not that I’d likely believe every single thing which he believes, and definitely they haven’t been shagged, at least not properly, in months or even years. Nonetheless, this strange modern chimera of a woman is convinced that everyone wants to hornily shag them. I am speaking rather plainly and even in a slightly bawdy way right now, but that is not necessarily a bad thing next to modern political pretence and fibs. Orwell called this human mind control scenario, where human desirability becomes an area in which a government tries to manipulate perceptions of the masses, the ‘anti sex league’ (for Orwell knew that sex, whilst a nuanced topic, is a sign of freedom and even human power in a generally functional society) where robotic females especially (for Orwell knew that women are more emotional and illogical and hive minded so follow ‘party slogans’ more than men) walk around with blank, charmless, sexless faces with red sashes of sexlessness around their waists and hips believing this makes them above all others. This thread is not about women and sex, however, since Politics Joe has been in the news lately for this very topic, I will conclude that Orwell was as insightful as ever that women are key footsoldiers of the New World Order owing to their hive minded, easily programmed psychological make up (yes, women have many relative strengths too, but that’s a separate topic) and the truth; that genuinely capable women stand by men and engage with them in a non robotic way, for far fewer men are deviants than WEF tells you and you must study those types in a certain capable way, will not be revealed to you by the mainstream media.

[@BlueDodgerman]

But you will never be that, if you have a problem you are the problem

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

@@BlueDodgerman I think you will find the saying goes: if someone has a problem, then there is a problem! Certainly, that is how anyone in HR or professional management would view it. It does not mean the person who has the problem IS the problem.

[@beckenhamboy1995]

Laurence Fox is the most divorced middle aged man on the planet - Big up Ava!!

[@shantishanti1949]

Double standards much 3 days ago 25th September Richard Madely morning show had a FEMALE called Debbie who made comments about MEN would never have sex with Joan Collins - no one would have sex with Joan Collins ???? It was said in disgust by this female Debbie - then picked up by Madeley saying Joan would be on the show tomorrow and did not want to upset her ??? double standards much ?? watch it Watch : Can Over 55s Still Be Considered A Sex Symbol? | Good Morning Britain on YT only 5 mins and shocking with no repercussions PLEASE SHOW THE CLIP GUYS - SHOCKING.

[@Jourifouler]

just goes to show that all he and his fellow hosts think when a women comes in is about sleeping with them and not what they actually have to say.

[@liammalarky3483]

Real men are appalled by what Fox said. I watch GBNews (know your enemy) and I'm glad I do because that channel allows us to see what those loons really think. They just can't help themselves.

[@chrisfox5525]

It’s good to hear Ava’s voice and perspective in this. Thanks I purposefully avoid watching GB news clips on KZbin, so was shocked to see the clip in your piece. They are an absolute disgrace for broadcasting such rampant misogyny. Nasty right wing media is an increasing danger.

[@KimuratrappedK]

Modern leftists like to play on uneven battlefields. They can say whatever they want about you; be it your mind, personality, physical self or basically any slight they choose. Yet they cry wolf when the same is done to them. How would they win any form of debate without cheating? Cowardice is a key trait for this weak, sick puppy, obedient-to-the-Epstein-class, charisma free generation. Saying this, it's not so much about left of right in the ultimate sense; that's for little minds if taken too seriously.

[@jayc342009]

Misogyny, if a woman said what he said about a man you wouldn't care Chris. This double standard has to end, why are women allowed to be vile man-haters and face no backlash?

[@rgxwrestlingmedia]

The sole purpose of whining Dan & whinging Fox's interaction was to dismiss and demean Ava and that is disgusting and GBeebies should be sanctioned by OFCOM. On a lighter note though that hopefully makes you smile with all this going on, Ed's clearly been in his dad's wardrobe for shirts today. That was at least 4 sizes too big!

[@jamessoperDOTcom]

This is horrible and GB News should face serious consequences. Your point about the govt removing the Tory presenters is a very good one. I’m so sorry you are having to face this.

[@callanpage1836]

Also I just have to say, I love how obsessed certain types of divorced men get about other people's sexual viability. You might say they were projecting a tad.

[@paulinec8842]

Yes, especially with Fox's emphasis on incels... maybe deep down he feels like one

[@callanpage1836]

@@paulinec8842 All I know is I only ever really hear the word Incel now when it's being used by people clearly not getting any i.e the manosphere, so I wouldn't be surprised.

[@paulinec8842]

@@callanpage1836 😂... the unconscious always speaks

[@jeffrybungle2502]

Didn't she make vile coments about the male suicide rate

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

1. No she did not. I disagree with her comments and I feel they were somewhat misjudged but they were by no means vile 2. Would that justify anyone making the comments Laurence Fox made?

[@ronmastrio2798]

@@KitchenSinkSoup She did make vile comments multiple times that were flat out misandry. Fox gave her a taste of her own medicine and apparently it's the worst thing that could ever happen.

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

@@ronmastrio2798 When?

[@kolonjikunjufu1564]

I think you both hit the nail on the head, the underlying issue and that is the culture promoted by GBN from within and without… GBN gives permission for sexism etc

[@Parallax9.11]

Well said Politics Joe. Well said Ava. The comments directed at you were totally inappropriate; disgusting and offensive in the extreme. Everyone connected with that GB News broadcast who had any idea of what was about to be said against you should resign or be sacked. It's sad to see what's happened to public discourse in recent years. I'm very glad to think that you are strong enough to rise above it, Ava; may you go from strength to strength.

[@happydays4302]

Slight adjustment I'd like to see anyone who knew and had the power to stop it or walk out on it but didn't held accountable. This must break some law and if it doesn't it should. No human should be discussed in this way.

[@thewealduk9802]

The country needs Laurence Fox, stay strong, stand up to Ava's misandry.

[@b-o-l-d-y8618]

You are loved & respected by us all Ava ❤ stay strong and shrug off these hateful pricks. Keep doing what you’re doing.

[@robamos4068]

Not by me

[@upendasana7857]

@@robamos4068 who gives #hit

[@JimBobHog.]

No by me

[@petekmoore173]

Such arrogance, self righteousness, sickening 🤮It is fine to dish out but can’t take when served. This woman gets on my nerves.

[@silviacarolinalangowski8442]

Same

[@jakesmith4463]

What about free speech?

[@bereal6590]

Free speech is fine bucomes with accountability. We can't all just say whatever and it be okay

[@jakesmith4463]

Just think its hilarious theyve got rid of them both when they're meant to be warrior of free speech/ hate speech

[@northwall9243]

It really is absolutely unbelievable to broadcast that, even for GB news. Insane that Dan Wootten was calling Ava too when he was laughing it up, what an absolute toad. It's like schoolground bullying in every way, particularly as he seems only comfortable making these misogynistic comments about Ava's appearance because he knows they're bollocks and every sane person would disagree. I just don't get it, what is happening to folk?

[@1961Blanchflower]

100% agree. One more thing: it's "insane" that Dan Wootton is broadcasting at all after recent revelations. He is that awful that even the Daily Hatemail has sacked him.

[@snakeplissken5480]

they were nothing to do with her appearance , which suggests you haven't even listened to the full dialog or know its context

[@KimuratrappedK]

Modern leftists like to play on uneven battlefields. They can say whatever they want about you; be it your mind, personality, physical self or basically any slight they choose. Yet they cry wolf when the same is done to them. How would they win any form of debate without cheating? Cowardice is a key trait for this weak, sick puppy, obedient-to-the-Epstein-class, charisma free generation. Saying this, it's not so much about left of right in the ultimate sense; that's for little minds if taken too seriously.

[@landsea7332]

The media is covering up what really occurred . There was a panel on BBC discussing the issue of male suicide is the leading cause of deaths for males under 50. There was mention of a minister for male mental health . Eva Evans responded with " ... I'm sorry but wouldn't this make an enemy out of women ? " kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6PXn2ybfZ2biNk Laurence Fox then made some totally innpropriate comments about Ava Evans and was fired . Ava Evans is now on a media tour playing the victim card .

[@Neil070]

Wooten is gay, he should know better than to pander to adolescent incel nonsense like this. If I had spoken about girls or women like this, even as a teenager, my father and grandfather would have knocked me into next week. And quite rightly

[@UdoBloss]

Laurence Fox- Well he's not yet reached puberty.

[@pez---]

I mean, what he says is consistent with GB news - completely wrong - clearly she is a strong, powerful and beautiful woman.

[@davewicks1300]

Ava has the moral high ground and Fox is a truly disgusting excuse for a man. I wouldn't dignify his ignorance with any more discussion. PS I think this is probably an interesting insight into who the rabble at GBN really are when the cameras are switched off

[@craigmunday3707]

Ava was dismissing male suicide, even to the point of bizarrely wanting to talk about domestic work instead.

[@EyeGodZA]

She is rather insufferable.

[@EyeGodZA]

@@StopTheRot she was dismissing that idea that male suicide might need to be addressed in a way that is specific to men; she refused to acknowledge that men may have different needs than women, which is, on its face, absolutely ludicrous. Let's face it: she's only brought on as a panelist because 1) she's pretty, 2) she's contrarian, 3) it draws a crowd/gets clicked. Can we just be a little bit more honest and transparent about that?

[@jeffleigh3747]

What Fox said was totally wrong. However, how dare she says "during covid who was doing all the kid stuff, washing up, laundry ...... women" Where does she get those facts from? Im a bloke who does mosy of our family chores. Norcott is right, we as men are encouraged to talk about our problems but like he says, when we do.....Ava S says we dont need a dedicated minister for men. Like i say, Fox was compl6wrong. Lastly, this male presenter above couldn't kiss Ava S's arse more if he tried. Just call Fox out but avoid being sychofantic about your co presenter

[@snotwurfit]

To be fair, she's said some pretty vile things herself, including about police officers and Wayne Cousins. The comments about her were wrong, but she's got to be accountable for what SHE says too!

[@shakespearsstepsister]

The misrepresentation of what Ava actually said about male su*cide is disgusting as well.

[@farrahkhalid9138]

Why do they think we care if they walk away

[@m341ehw]

This whole sexually attractiveness thing it's creepy, nasty, horrible and seemingly totally acceptable. GB News should be removed off air the owners fined . It sets us back as men to the 1970s I am so sickened. Hold that head up proud, you clearly are getting under their skin and remember most of us (men) are with you to. For the record I think there should be a minister of men but here is the bit that may be most controversial. I don't care if that person is a woman..... it should be based on merit..... as for a mental health minister wow I thought there was one.

[@smudge7057]

Laurence didn't even say anything misogynistic. The "who'd want to shag that?" line is pretty obviously a reference to Ava Evans CONSTANTLY saying things like "No one wants to shag you" to her opponents. Not that it would be misogynistic even without that context, it would be a rather mild insult. As would calling her a "little woman", like he didn't call her a cant or a twut or something like that did he? Oh no "little woman" the horror. Does she often call her opponents "little men", I honestly don't know. Fox called her a "little woman" and said she isn't attractive a few times, not even in an insulting way, he was actually saying that her VIEWS should make her unattractive to any self-respecting man if I heard him correctly. Does that actually rise to the level of "vile misogyny"? Nothing he said comes anywhere close to the vile misandry that Ava Evans propagates.

[@Kyuslydian]

I'm a new subscriber. Ex pat Scot in Aus. I paused the video just after they showed what had been said at around 3:20. Don't know who she is or who he is. Doesn't matter. What matters is his rhetoric is just inflammatory and wrong and fallacious. I don't need to know anything more to see that. If one wishes to attack what another says the n one should attack the words not the person. Logical fallacies and obvious misogyny are not acceptable for someone trying to make any kind of serious dispute to a claim.

[@peterjackson6547]

How on earth could anyone interpret Ava's comment as a mockery of male suicides? Reminds one of the joke of a hostes asking a guest if he/she would like tea or coffee. When the guest replies tea the host demands to know what is wrong with her coffee.

[@andywest6062]

Because it was..?

[@steve10]

NO , she did make a mockery of male suicide , and now she is using this to deflect her vile comments. I dont think Fox should have said what he said , he was a prat , I think he had been drinking , GB news should have cut him off. However I'm equally disturbed by Evans Misandrist comments time and time again , especially about male suicide. She likes to call all men misogynistic, well what's good for the goose is good for the gander, she is a perpetual MISANDRIST.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

​@@andywest6062No.

[@rapiddl]

@@nathanaelsmith3553 yes

[@mbdlav]

Ava, what you said on politics live was perfectly reasonable. They want to cancel you and scare you out of journalism because you are effective and good looking!

[@hamwhacker]

What did she say that got the strong reaction ok from Fox