Responding to Laurence Fox's vile misogyny | Pubcast

Ava sits down to respond to the disgusting conduct on GB News last night between Laurence Fox and Dan Wootton, which has led to an Ofcom investigation into GB News and Fox losing his position as a presenter on the station.
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[@dannevirkenz]

As a New Zealander , I would like to again apologise for Dan Wotton's continual presence in the media and the United Kingdom. Our gain has been everybody else's loss. Closing our borders had nothing to do with Covid and was purely a plan to prevent his return to NZ.

[@mishymoo34]

It's not your fault, sociopaths are everywhere.

[@dedoc7143]

There's A Holes everywhere, mate. And GB News is full of them.. As a Scotsman, I feel it is my responsibility to apologise for Neil Oliver, we're pretty sure there was a chemical leak where he was born.. Sorry.

[@ajtp4273]

Wootton needs to apologise to Depp

[@boxingmonkey8621]

Wootton is a pathetic example of a Kiwi Incredible that Britain has embraced him and his camp racist sexist bile

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

Tbh we need to ship him out to see then EVERYBODY needs to close its borders.

[@captainhowdy9845]

GB News said this "doesn't reflect our values", which is just ridiculous. This is 100% representative of everything GB News is about.

[@joee8278]

I'm shocked they suspended him, I thought this is exactly what they expect from their presenters.

[@davidcollin3808]

You must watch a different show to me

[@Lynnefromlyn]

@@davidcollin3808no, YOU are watching a different show from everyone else.

[@campbell3711]

Woke bullshit

[@segue2ant395]

​@@davidcollin3808 Mysoginists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, conspiracy theorists, and liars. You name a presenter, I'll find the evidence.

[@chriswing7466]

My heart absolutely goes out to Ava. I've been beyond disgusted by Fox and his behaviour. Also, regarding this video, isn't Ed lovely! You can tell this was difficult for him to broach, with his friend! Well done to you both for covering this topic in a dignified manner. Down with GBNews - fuck them all right up to the sky.

[@django3422]

​@@brianfamilar9800Says a lot about you.

[@gumusluk05]

He has kids. Let that sink in. Billie Piper dodged a bullet there !

[@lucylu2927]

My heart goes out so much to his kids, and to billie I know from personal experience that trying to coparent with a narcissist is nearly impossible and the damage They do to their children is heartbreaking. Particularly if either of the kids are female

[@bananasaboutmovies]

Actually quite nice of Fox to let women know how to get him to walk away from them in a bar in three sentences or less. 😉

[@martinwyke]

He's negging Ava, which is an incel behaviour by him.

[@kennycube5126]

Who's Eva?

[@fumbleBumble82]

When he said "cucked little incel" I though, "does this guy even know what an Incel is"? Because he's exhibiting the behaviours of an incel by referring to "cucked little [men]" but then saying "incels". It doesn't make any sense.

[@markwelch3564]

​@fumbleBumble82 I don't normally reach for playground insults, but in this case "I know you are but what am I?" is the correct response to Fox

[@fumbleBumble82]

​@@markwelch3564 Or just fingers in the ears and go "la la la la la la". hahaha

[@chrismclaughlin6323]

​@@fumbleBumble82He's never got over Billie Piper!

[@droge192]

Whilst Fox's outburst was disgusting on every level, it should not detract from how awful Ava's views were, negating the validity and importance of men's mental health and suicide.

[@Locke350]

The outburst was just a very rude way of saying why would a man with self-esteem would want to be with someone who has such disdain for you because of your sex. One thing that makes him better was that he was critical about a specific kind of person following such an ideology. While she has no issue saying that men are “the most powerful virus of them all” back in 2022

[@Britishrailwaystories]

Don’t think you actually watched Ava’s interview then? Because that’s not what happened.

[@Locke350]

@@Britishrailwaystories Nah, she *did* engage in whataboutism when the topic on hand was about male suicide.

[@drunkenhobo5039]

It is weird how rare it is to see people take the stance "both sides are awful".

[@randylahey2607]

In what way did she 'negate the validity and importance of men's mental health and suicide?' I imagine your answer is going to be an interpretation as opposed to a quote.

[@shantishanti1949]

Double standards much 3 days ago 25th September Richard Madely morning show had a FEMALE called Debbie who made comments about MEN would never have sex with Joan Collins - no one would have sex with Joan Collins ???? It was said in disgust by this female Debbie - then picked up by Madeley saying Joan would be on the show tomorrow and did not want to upset her ??? double standards much ?? watch it Watch : Can Over 55s Still Be Considered A Sex Symbol? | Good Morning Britain on YT only 5 mins and shocking with no repercussions PLEASE SHOW THE CLIP GUYS - SHOCKING.

[@edmurth]

Decent men don’t talk about women that way, as a father of a young girl I’m disgusted at the direction some of our politicians and their client press are taking this country.

[@Ghengiskhansmum]

They've been wanting to take this direction ever since the 1930's... especially the Daily Mail.

[@onlylexus]

Yer but I would defend Loza's right to say it, its called freedom of speech, whether you agree with it or not.

[@jake751]

@@onlylexus there is a difference between free speach and hate speach. We have free speach that also carries consequences when taken too far.

[@edmurth]

@@onlylexus nobody has a right to free speech without consequence. You seem more concerned about people being able to say whatever they want than you are truth. Freedom of speech is about the right to speak truth to power not to insult whoever you want. But go ahead and defend dragging us all into the gutter.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Do decent women talk about men the way Ana Evans talks about men?

[@MonsieurBrideau]

GB News just seems to be a cesspit of people wallowing in hate-filled paranoia. Given the allegations against Wootton at the moment, the fact that he finds Fox's repulsive, misogynistic comments funny says quite a lot. I doubt he would find Fox's anti-gay attitudes quite so hilarious. These comments and reactions on GB News absolutely represent what that channel is all about, despite the 'apology' narrative to Ava they're now trying to put out.

[@markmaher4548]

GBeebies is the UK variant of Fox News, so the amount of drivel that they broadcast doesn't surprise me.

[@billkingston4402]

Well said

[@FaceFcuk]

Close the borders

[@MonsieurBrideau]

@@FaceFcuk Too late to close the borders now, the disgusting, right-wing Kiwi is already living here!

[@onlylexus]

What a load of woke bollox!

[@highdownmartin]

Wooton is a stalking creep. Shame on the woman who gave out your number.

[@slightlyconfused876]

When Fox insults you, you know you are on the right side.

[@hamwhacker]

Nope. It means you are on the wrong side! He is just being flippant to make the point that some people on the (woke? Left?) are out of touch and silly to the point of ridicule. I say this despite not knowing the context of the subject concerning Ava. Who is beautiful there is no debate. But maybe she said something stupid and woke? Which is worthy of taking the piss out of. Free speech Listening to Ava now for the first time…she seem to lack a sense of humour. Which is a sign of an idiot leftist which this country needs to laugh at out of town imo. Just guessing For personal context: if there is a minister for women then why not a minister for men? Where is the balance. Both sexes have issues. My brother has mental health issues and recently I had to call out a police search fearing he was going to take his life after he called me to say “goodbye”. The way Ava came across was to immediately poo poo the idea. It looked like a misunderstanding in the studio. But it’s a SENSITIVE TOPIC and Ava was unwise to react like that and appear to not take the issue of male suicide seriously. She made that mistake by instantly disagreeing with the idea. Why did she do it? Was she virtue signalling for mental health of women rather than men. Give men a chance to be the focus of our attention for once. Think before you speak.

[@jonlees3749]

​​​@@hamwhackeryou definitely sound mentally coherent and someone we should take seriously

[@henyosdilly8999]

​@@hamwhackerI'm sure if I disagreed with your mother or sisters politics calling them a slag I wouldn't sh#g would be merited and acceptable? Bizarre.

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@hamwhacker Sound like your brother isn't the only one with mental issues.

[@hamwhacker]

@@henyosdilly8999 It’s ok to say people are internally so vile that you wouldn’t shag them. It’s important to judge people by the content of their character not just outward appearance. Fox was saying that mentally he finds Ava so unappealing from what she says that no matter how outwardly beautiful she is (not disputed) then most normal men who want to date a woman with a happy intellect would be better not to touch her with a barge pole. It’s no secret that so-called right wing women are a lot more attractive than left wing women btw. No least because they have a sense of humour and common sense. And are looking to build things not destroy them which is what socialists do by playing victim and projecting problems onto others.

[@chrischarlescook]

100% agree with Lawrence suspension. But the fact he is talking to Dan, who is a monster and not suspended, is laughable.

[@zephyr8072]

Yesh Dan’s suspended too. It’s a shame that he was apparently just suspended for letting Fox br the rabid dog he is and not for being a garbage abuser but eh.

[@2penry2]

How was he not suspended sooner? The accusations from his last scandal are abhorrent I would have thought even the average GB news viewer wouldn't like the guy.

[@filmneek]

@@2penry2they believed it was lies and a witch-hunt like they normally do when a right winger is revealed to be corrupt.

[@tranquilnice775]

Brush off your shoulder Ava. It just means you're a threat.

[@clivemortimore8203]

Who thinks Wotton or Fox really care about male suicide? They just wanted to have ago at Ava, because she is brighter than both of them.

[@atverde]

Wootton seemed to recognise that the conversation was out of order but didn't have the balls to admonish his stable mate.

[@KebabMusicLtd]

Them two need to get a room.

[@mynewcolour]

Spineless scumbags. This stuff has a horrible effect on whether or not women go into public roles. And women need representation.

[@FaceFcuk]

​@@KebabMusicLtdBBC lover

[@zoundsic]

@@FaceFcuk You been hiding in cupboards as well.

[@Ab.Stat.]

he didn't seem too stable to me

[@robert12011]

I thought the comments were quite disgusting, both of them laughing along. Equally disgusting was GB news saying that the comments did not reflect their values, when let’s face it those vile comments exactly sum up their values!

[@nhilandra7586]

Hang on, Gbeebies has values? When did that happen???

[@Kraken54321]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sdrawkcabUK]

Misogyny? Sexism? Nice cope. GBN has more women and minority presenters then the mainstream channel.

[@danh9905]

@@nhilandra7586 When public opinion is against them.

[@rjflores438]

Youre wrong. Lawrence Fox said completely innapropriate things but GB News are not vile and I am on the left, they actually champion free speech unlike many on the left theesedays.

[@harrylong2796]

To be fair she did sound dismissive of male mental health, not saying she is but that's how she sounded. Leading cause of death of males under 50 is heartbreaking but you can't talk about without "well women too" which definitely smacks of hippocracy considering how women's issues are handled

[@tommckellen342]

All modern politicians are followers of WEF ideology but, if you read Orwell, you’d know that thought control follows many left wing principles (but also extremist right wing principles too). This is why you have so many extremely ugly on the inside, or very mediocre looking externally, butch and uncharismatic women in the UK, such as Ava Evans, who mistakenly believe that all men hornily want to rape her, when for 99 percent of men she is a repulsive type. It might seem a little banal, purile even, to keep drudging up this topic next to other important topics, yet it is something (this tedious, modern, woke battle of the sexes nonsense) for which Politics Joe takes a very ‘WEF’ divide-and-rule stance so it must be dealt with. My point, from the first paragraph of the above commentary, is not that politicians or social commentators should look a certain way, or anything like that, incidentally, if that is what you have garnered. As the ancient societies said, the external might point to certain internal factors but it may also be a result of genetic luck. However, we can generally agree that ancient philosophical ideals, such as the Greek philosophical ideal of the externally and internally charismatic and capable being vs a blue haired, obese, smelly, charmless, unable to engage, listen or impress in any way woke toilet seat of a human, are worlds apart. Since it has been in the news lately, to nonetheless broach the topic, I will make the observation that whenever you come back to the UK from another country, you realise how nearly everyone here, but especially the women, look like charmless tramps, who really are completely unshaggable, as Lawrence Fox got in trouble for saying, not that I’d likely believe every single thing which he believes, and definitely they haven’t been shagged, at least not properly, in months or even years. Nonetheless, this strange modern chimera of a woman is convinced that everyone wants to hornily shag them. I am speaking rather plainly and even in a slightly bawdy way right now, but that is not necessarily a bad thing next to modern political pretence and fibs. Orwell called this human mind control scenario, where human desirability becomes an area in which a government tries to manipulate perceptions of the masses, the ‘anti sex league’ (for Orwell knew that sex, whilst a nuanced topic, is a sign of freedom and even human power in a generally functional society) where robotic females especially (for Orwell knew that women are more emotional and illogical and hive minded so follow ‘party slogans’ more than men) walk around with blank, charmless, sexless faces with red sashes of sexlessness around their waists and hips believing this makes them above all others. This thread is not about women and sex, however, since Politics Joe has been in the news lately for this very topic, I will conclude that Orwell was as insightful as ever that women are key footsoldiers of the New World Order owing to their hive minded, easily programmed psychological make up (yes, women have many relative strengths too, but that’s a separate topic) and the truth; that genuinely capable women stand by men and engage with them in a non robotic way, for far fewer men are deviants than WEF tells you and you must study those types in a certain capable way, will not be revealed to you by the mainstream media.

[@jayc342009]

She is dismissive towards male suicide because she hates men.

[@Winter-CIG]

Did you actually listen to her rebuttal? Women have an equally high attempted suicide rate, they are just less successful in actually ending their life. That's not being dismissive at all - it's a valid argument. It's not tit-for-tat, it's logical problem solving. And I say that as someone who went into that clip having read comments like this and assumed she WAS dismissive having not watched the clip. There is nothing hypocritical about it when we have a distinct lack of mental health support for ALL people. Having that further broken down into sub-services that are tailored towards men or women independently is maybe a good idea but to dismiss her opinion that we'd be better off with a mental health minister is somewhat ironic given your complaints about her response.

[@lizziestevenson9345]

I'd be relieved if he just walked away. A clear lack of intelligence when this is what he resorts to. Horrible, sexist, hate inducing little man. What an ego, unbelievable. Yuch 🤮🤮 Clearly you are rising above it, good on you.

[@colmhealy8173]

Its just creepy that Dan Wootton was ringing Ava till 1am

[@TregMediaHD]

Agreed . Was my thought also on hearing that

[@31Blaize]

"Stalker" was the word that sprang to mind if I'm honest. If someone doesn't pick the phone up to you the first 5 times, take the hint.

[@Hey_look_at_that]

Yeah that's really creepy behaviour... calling over and over and late into the night 😮

[@TregMediaHD]

@@Hey_look_at_that almost like Coke head behaviour

[@iangarner8857]

Sounds like he's got form for being a bit creepy

[@michaelmckeown5396]

Laurence "I'm you dad I don't need concent" Fox said something disgusting, imagine my shock.

[@janewest2845]

He has also said “ A woman who willingly aborts a child should be regarded in exactly the same way as a man who willingly commits rape.”

[@RankinMsP]

@@janewest2845 😱😱😱

[@rprobp186]

It’s not like Ava hasn’t said similar…oh wait

[@annfrancis6287]

According to the meanings misogyny and misandry. Your as bad as each other .

[@royswales]

Lawrence Fox's Russell Brand moment - remember Brand's interview with Jonathan Ross about Leonard Sachs granddaughter - Dan Wooton is just a despicable individual who will get his comeuppance sooner rather than later.

[@kennycube5126]

Leonard was a classic britsh actor. But I think you mean Andrew.

[@Nice0n3]

Laurance Fox seems to be blind ... Then again he probably could never really land a woman like Ava and is desperately trying to make himself out to be the one with "the choice"...

[@keirmitchell5560]

He has landed hot woman.

[@Spangletiger]

​@@keirmitchell5560Were they conscious?

[@l_git]

​@@keirmitchell5560read that back to yourself.

[@django3422]

​@@keirmitchell5560Mhmm. And where are they now? He might be able to charm, he doesn't seem worth sticking around for though, does he.

[@kaitlyn__L]

⁠@@keirmitchell5560go to bed Laurence

[@kryzondaan1855]

4:11. "We have a laugh about it." I realise she's talking about laughing off rude comments that are made about her/other people.. She isn't "large" and would, I'm guessing, generally be considered to be attractive-very attractive. She probably has no idea what it is like to be generally considered to be far down the attractiveness scale. I've known women before who have had to regularly endure men in the street making negative comments about their appearance. Not sure where I'm going with this, just makes me uneasy to hear an attractive woman talking about laughing off comments about someone being "ugly, large or whatever." None of it bothers me, she says. No, of course it doesn't.

[@wennamacormac781]

The irony is that Ava proved the first guy right. He was highlighting the statistics about men's health and, whilst she made valid points about children and mental health in general, she quite literally did exactly what he was saying had become a barrier to men seeking help. It seems that as she believes that this narrative is designed to make women the enemy she saw it as a challenge and seemingly dismissed his points by belaboring the division of housework over lock-down. Perhaps there could be a minister for men and a minister for mental health, the first to help men settle in to their newly emerging role and explain why the culture has in the past been toxic and the other to encourage mental health awareness and access across the board. Ava knows she misstep because she later apologised. Laurence undermined his argument with his inflammatory and lazy use of language AND Ava proved why we currently need a minister for men. One does cancel out the other.

[@AlanMordue-hx5wv]

I am disgusted you have had this Ava, his misogynist rant disgusted me. I am a working class bloke in his late fifties from Durham, glad I didnt have his supposed " education" and various privileges, they patently didnt work. Most men are on your side, honestly!

[@user-yn3gw1wz2z]

simp

[@JimBobHog.]

Would you like some vagisil

[@rogertaylor6386]

it's clear the woman is a misandrist

[@duckweedy]

Talking about any woman's attractiveness is a typical Donald Trump insult. It has become normalised now.

[@armondtanz]

They literally call out his wild hair, his little hands, his skin color, his overweightness when playing golf, his voice??? Lol, u gave literally the worse comparison possible.

[@susanb4816]

Nah it has always been one of the aticks used to beat women into silence

[@iangascoigne8231]

@@armondtanzIt’s not a bad comparison at all. When Trump gets accused of sexual misconduct, his go to line is he hasn’t done it because the accuser is too ugly.

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@armondtanz Who is they?

[@SlowhandGreg]

Vile bully especially against women women what's not to compare@@armondtanz

[@TREVORALLMAN]

I'm guessing some middle-class people wouldn't have anything going on in the life if they weren't constantly "offended" at everything in life. Oh, how I wish I was a member of the petty-bourgeoisie.......

[@cthulhstu]

The bigger issue that comes from this is the fact that it overshadows the real issue. Which is mental health and suicide. It then becomes a petty squabble between sexes while the main issue is almost forgotten or falls by the wayside. It becomes not only despicable, but tiresome. And does nothing but harm. Mental health is a major issue and there needs to be serious conversations about how our society structure is a big part of the problem. Whilst I don’t fully agree with Ava, she seems intelligent, rational and open to discussion. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but through my extensive research on mental health suicide, I was under the impression that proportionally, women attempted suicide less often but were more often successful? But men attempt suicide more frequently hence why, even with a lower success rate by percentage, male suicide numbers are higher and it is the biggest male killer under 50.

[@katewhitelaw9182]

SHE overshadowed the issue. And is still deflecting her ignorant narcissism.

[@cthulhstu]

@@katewhitelaw9182 I don’t remember saying she didn’t. And stop throwing terms like that around. Otherwise you become part of the problem.

[@dw-yl3ln]

The point she raises about the Tory party MPs is a very salient one. In all seriousness, they really shouldn’t be having their MPs on the same platform as either of these cretins. All banter aside, it’s just such a terrible look to have the people above us, who are setting our laws, being public examples and representing the whole country on the global stage sitting alongside Fox and Wootton.

[@NoName-cu4gr]

Kindred spririts.

[@call_in_sick]

Birds of a feather. Gb news is literally the gutter.

[@robertwilliams4084]

They are not above us!!! They are public servants!

[@markalufc]

And her remarks about male suicide are ok? Cretin lefties never cease to amaze me .

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@robertwilliams4084 Bingo !! Shows where people’s heads are at!!

[@tomhamilton437]

Just read the comments on the daily mail article on this out of curiosity. 90% saying Fox is disgusting/out of order. At the very least, glad to see that even daily mail readers thought this was disgusting.

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

Wow the Daily Mail readers. That’s a major turn up.

[@filmneek]

Yes, but GBN viewers are saying the opposite, and even worse. GBN has out Mailed the Mail.

[@billpugh58]

@@creech847it’s actually based on experience.

[@jf710]

I fully support L Fox. She has said the same thing many times. She hates men. Wanker

[@kenrehill8775]

I guarantee that you’ve said worse.

[@ex-cursion]

The whole thing has such strong incel/Andrew Tate vibes. Masquerading as thoughtful political discussion. This and Braverman's speech, what a low point in the UK for public discourse.

[@mchlle94]

The dude's delusional if he thinks any woman would ever be interested in him. He should be so lucky to have a woman wanting anything from him. And why does it always have to circle back to men wanting to have sex with a woman or not? What is going on in their bizarre minds that they think this is the thing that matters, and that's all women care about it. It's such a weird threat as well: "if you dare to stand up for yourself, men won't wanna have sex with you, so get back in line, you sex object!." It's also so clearly an attempt to make her feel small when in reality he feels threatened and would probably be pathetically trying to get with her. It's like a strange but obvious deflection tactic. It's so bizarre how these men respond to a woman talking about sexism with "sexism doesn't exist" and then go on to say the most sexist thing imaginable.

[@emmadilemma3602]

20 years ago I ended up in court after my boss at the time said things to me and about me that were derogatory and of a sexual nature. He admitted it all and couldn't see the problem. Unfortunately neither could the three male judges. They told me if i was younger, I was in my late 20s at the time, they would have made a different judgement. By that age, apparently, I should have been able to handle male talk. I had hoped "male talk" had changed in those two decades, but it really hasn't. There are so many examples of it and so little consequence. My then boss, used me to look good in front of colleagues and customers, my feelings were never taken into account and the judges upheld his thoughts that I was of little consequence. Things have to change.

[@tangoalpha1905]

You're Perfectly illustrating the faillings of society. Men have failed you by Not treating like the child that you are. Can you explain, why males should ever listen to a Single word you say, and not simply shackle you in literal chains with a muzzle, do you understand that the male population could literally do that and there's not a thing any woman could do about it?

[@emmajoy831]

I was never on the receiving end of such comments (to my knowledge) until my mid 40s. If it’s not ok to say to a 16yo, then why ok to 46yo?

[@markdolan6]

Let’s hope they don’t! Privileged females always complaining! Time to change? Then you lot can start doing the dirty hard dangerous jobs ! I’ll wait 😂

[@anthonybell4554]

Sorry to hear you had to go through that, sounds awful. Perhaps male talk hasn't changed in some circles, but I *hope* it would at least be viewed differently in a court of law these days.

[@davedavids2231]

About 20 years When I was 14 my female teacher said the back of my head was better looking than the front , in front of the whole class. It was horrible.

[@neilloughran4437]

GB News just gets worse and worse... who thought it was possible?

[@EamonCoyle]

I don't like it, or find it acceptable for that behaviour to be allowed by elitist lowlifes such as him. Don't call him out, kick him until he learns to respect you, and other women !!

[@philllev]

GB news fits the Jim Davidson dynamic to a tee, absolute filth!

[@LAObserver2023]

That's rich from the UK's number one Misandrist.

[@julianshepherd2038]

The debate with Norcott seems like a civilised proper conversation. You did nothing wrong.

[@BOZ_11]

it looked ok, but she turned it back to women. if we're talking about women, let's talk. if we're talking about men, let's divert it to women. it was a small error blown out of proportion by the twits at GB "News"

[@steve10]

Apart from trivialise male suicide.

[@davysmith8738]

​@@steve10pish

[@toekneekerching9543]

@@steve10 Fox shouldn't have said this though because it has taken all the attention off her disgusting behaviour and made her out to be a victim. Fox should have seen this coming.

[@julianshepherd2038]

​@@steve10she didn't do that. I watched it. She said it was a crisis for men, women and children.

[@ajrh82]

Just Fox revealing himself as he has done many times before. It shouldn’t be a surprise and hopefully there’s some lasting consequences for him this time. Keep doing great work Ava and the PJ team

[@hamwhacker]

Nothing wrong with Fox! Free speech is good. Those who get so offended that they censure people are the problem

[@JohnClark-ew8dh]

​@@hamwhackerso Fox is afforded the get out of jail free speech card by you but those who oppose his disgusting comments arent allowed to speak out against them? Thats not free speech is it

[@hamwhacker]

@@JohnClark-ew8dh Free speech means you are allowed to say what you think without censure or detrimental punishment. Yes it works both ways. It’s not right that Fox gets suspended for exercising free speech. Nothing has happened to Ava has it? Insulting people who you believe say the wrong things is FREE SPEECH. What is your point

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@hamwhacker We don't have a free speech law in this country. The law we do have is defamation. Fox is gone. The world is a better place.

[@JohnClark-ew8dh]

@@hamwhacker why is it not right? If Fox (and you apparently) think its ok for him to make these remarks under the free speech banner then by that token if someone wishes to disassociate themselves from Fox as a result, then by the virtue of free speech and free choice - they are allowed to do so. Free speech doesnt come without consequences on a moral level does it

[@johnwhite4080]

At least she can be thankful his type don't find her attractive.

[@jwhitenstall]

There should be a minister for men, Eva is dead wrong on that point. We need equality. However inno way should she have been personally attacked for this, she should have been argued against, not treated disgustingly as a figure of ridicule.

[@anopinionatedlaymanappears9052]

So you're saying there should be a health minister for men but not for women? That would be literal institutionalised sexism. Think before you type. It might stop you from looking like a dumbass

[@sarkybugger5009]

Breaking: Wootton has been suspended by GBeebies.

[@estebancomulet]

I do worry he’ll be co-hosting a show with Russell brand and Andrew Tate next week. The alt-right grift machine is strong, with very wealthy backers.

[@fibson9775]

Can totally understand why Billie Piper divorced him and I'm a guy. What a freak.

[@artfull334]

Absolutely agree he’s horrible

[@zainabsesay3757]

The way Ed was uncomfortable doing this says, you have good people around you. As for fox, Instead of talking about the issues they make everything personal. Sorry you have to deal with this nonsense.

[@mentality-monster]

Never seen anyone cope as hard as little Laurence.

[@alextw1488]

He's the epitome of privilege trumping mediocrity. One of his many problems is Ava's a good journalist whilst he steals a living and his pathetic ego cannot stand it.

[@Munkenba]

Went to one of the most expensive schools in the country, failed to start a music career and fumbled good opportunities as an actor, then failed to run as mayor of London. The guy is just mad that he's been given every privilege in the world on a silver platter and he still can't find the ability to make a success of it.

[@csoamesy95]

@Munkenba He didn't just fail, he got 1.9% of the vote and lost his deposit lol

[@toekneekerching9543]

@@Munkenba He didnt fumble his career, it was ended after the question time appearance where he rightfully stood up to a racist black woman and challenged her about it

[@Munkenba]

@@toekneekerching9543 Sounds a lot like fumbling to me.

[@roderickjoyce6716]

GB News: watch the inadequate son of a famous father. in conversation with New Zealand's worst export ever.

[@DHoll25]

Ava's a hypocrite, granted she doesn't need to be spoken about like that but equally should learn to think before she speaks herself.

[@seckie1001]

The sort of comment a misogynist would make when he knows she's out of his league.

[@simeondavidjones]

The fact Wootton later apologised while laughing he whole time was disgusting. How does he get away with this

[@HShango]

He knew this was going to happen, he is even worse than Laurence

[@estebancomulet]

And Laurence posted their private texts. No honour among twats.

[@paulcalladine9787]

Any apologies like this are totally sly and dishonest, and only ever come after taking advice. Its like the oft seen repeated (tired) "Well I am sorry IF I have actually - really? - offended you" - deflecting from a micro speck of personal responsibility or reflection. They get away with what they can, whenever they can. Only regrets are getting caught.

[@kildogery]

I think Martin Branning knows.

[@TheLucanicLord]

@@HShango And if he didn't know, he's a moron.

[@awkwardatlas5623]

Ofcom complaint filed. Watching Wootton smirk along as Laurence attempted to publicly shame you on air is disgusting. Sorry this is something you've had to go through Ava. The fact that he felt the need to respond in that way says everything about him and NOTHING about you. Stay strong Ava, we need journalists like you!

[@awkwardatlas5623]

Lol@@andywest6062

[@toekneekerching9543]

Watching Ava smirk during a discussion on male suicide is also disgusting though isnt it?

[@edmurth]

@@toekneekerching9543are you saying she was smirking at male suicide? Don’t be so pathetic.

[@thomasburton9581]

When he’s on about Ava Evens who said women should make false rape claims against men to empower women and laughed at mens suicide. I think what Lawrence fox said was pleasantly put compared to hers. Also all wootton did was laugh and then called her a very beautiful women. 😂🤷‍♂️

[@junky360]

Good idea, I'll file one too

[@Kyuslydian]

I'm a new subscriber. Ex pat Scot in Aus. I paused the video just after they showed what had been said at around 3:20. Don't know who she is or who he is. Doesn't matter. What matters is his rhetoric is just inflammatory and wrong and fallacious. I don't need to know anything more to see that. If one wishes to attack what another says the n one should attack the words not the person. Logical fallacies and obvious misogyny are not acceptable for someone trying to make any kind of serious dispute to a claim.

[@polyestermammoth740]

Jesus, this guy is so inarticulate it’s ridiculous.

[@kat2023.]

It was a despicable thing to say. Who'd want Fox to sh&g them anyway? The thought of him drooling and sweating makes me want to hurl. 🤢

[@django3422]

I've always been bemused by older guys I've worked with making comments about younger female coworkers like "if I wasn't married..." Yeah. 'Cos that's the one thing standing in the way... not the fact you look like shit after 30 years of beer and kebabs, or that you have no manners or respect, etc...

[@richardhall263]

GB news only employed him to say stuff like this.

[@user-zk2rp7lt1w]

As a serious journalist it is uncomfortable for her to be reduced to a misogynist's opinion of her. Just to let you know Fox, you wouldn't get to sentence 3 with any intelligent woman. So glad he's been shut down.

[@K4rmaRules]

Everything is so messed up right now.

[@TT-fn1xb]

I disagreed with Ava's approach to the issue of male suicide on Politics Live. I think male suicide should be prioritised without taking away from the need to tackle issues women deal with specifically. I am a woman BTW. That said, nothing warranted what Fox said and Wootton's laughter thereafter. It was vile, reprehensible and dangerous. We can disagree with each other without being so vicious. I hate the kind of world we've become.

[@geoffteece265]

I agree with you and frustratingly , Wooton and Fox are too vile and thick to understand how this disgusting episode has undermined and totally distracted from the perfectly reasonably (and I would say, vital) points that Geoff Norcott was making. And Ava had apologised anyway. And she is 100% correct in saying that it’s her argument that should be the subject matter of discussion, not her. And she is right about Tory MPs and GB News.

[@ACsPianoCorner]

Hi @@geoffteece265, I completely agree. I too have disagreed with Ava’s approach, views and critique of many different matters. But you argue the points, the policies and/or matters at hand. You never reduce someone to their body parts or if they’re attractive. By doing what they did, they immediately showed the audience 2 things. (1) They’re either not intelligent enough to debate the specific point or facts or (2) They believe the facts don’t support their views so they attacked the person making those views. I hope many more will finally see what GB News really is - a sad copy of the USA’s Fox News, in a pitiful attempt to repeat the misinformation campaign to an ill-informed audience.

[@andrewjohnston407]

You disagree with Ava's approach to male suicide. But Fox was vile, reprehensible and dangerous. You need to get your priorities the right way up.

[@davidmcculloch8490]

GB News: the channel for idiots.

[@Kieran0410]

@@andrewjohnston407 referring to Ava first on a video with Ava in =/= priorities are confused. Surely its right to talk to the person in the video before discussing vile trolls who don't even deserve a bridge to live under. Ava is many things, but a damsel in distress requiring a white knight isn't one of them.

[@peterkirby2771]

How do GB News and Talk TV exist how do they get a license to Broadcast. They should be closed down now.

[@marijkevandenberkhof4931]

I do agree that we need more mental health care, the UK is the 3rd country (after Sweden and the US) with the most mental health problem The UK is 3rd of ALL countries. So we urgently need more health care and more debate about this issue.

[@peterhales2729]

Wootton's and Fox's double act was so reminiscent of Johnathan Ross' and Russell Brand's cowardly online attack on Andrew Sachs and his granddaughter so many years ago. Broadcasting standards need to change. Fox obviously has an inferiority complex, when faced with the beautiful and intellectual woman, who is Ava Evans.

[@elmonionugenio9735]

Lots of love and respect for Ava she could buy and sell anyone on GB News in terms of integrity and journalistic talent.

[@tomtheeagle1]

And intelligence!

[@normankennith7919]

i'm sure there are many men, & women, who would like to shag ava!! however, ava brought it on herself to a certain degree, by dismissing geoff northcott's view on male suicide but i think both jeremy vine & carol malone should be suspended for making ava feel very uncomfortable on this morning's show by talking about her as if she wasn't there!!

[@yc9129]

As a man I find this whole story disgusting. How dare Lawrence fox speak about anyone in this way. Men need to be calling this behaviour out

[@jangles8061]

@yc9129 Thank you for saying this ❤

[@Chasemcloud5745]

Stop being a gender traitor

[@toekneekerching9543]

As a man i find it disgusting that this woman thinks its stoking a "culture war" to talk about mens suicide and is so uninterested in people committing suicide that she teamed up with O'Grady to brow beat Geoff Norcot into shutting up on live TV.

[@MrRailjunkie]

Correct I stand with Ava.

[@Chasemcloud5745]

@@MrRailjunkie pathetic waste skin

[@theoracle7148]

What did she say to illicit such a reaction from fox?

[@mrinvisible9175]

Ava has repeatedly said … men are angry because no woman wants to sleep with them … she is hypocritical constantly when she tries to debate anyone.

[@tommckellen342]

All modern politicians are followers of WEF ideology but, if you read Orwell, you’d know that thought control follows many left wing principles (but also extremist right wing principles too). This is why you have so many extremely ugly on the inside, or very mediocre looking externally, butch and uncharismatic women in the UK, such as Ava Evans, who mistakenly believe that all men hornily want to rape her, when for 99 percent of men she is a repulsive type. It might seem a little banal, purile even, to keep drudging up this topic next to other important topics, yet it is something (this tedious, modern, woke battle of the sexes nonsense) for which Politics Joe takes a very ‘WEF’ divide-and-rule stance so it must be dealt with. My point, from the first paragraph of the above commentary, is not that politicians or social commentators should look a certain way, or anything like that, incidentally, if that is what you have garnered. As the ancient societies said, the external might point to certain internal factors but it may also be a result of genetic luck. However, we can generally agree that ancient philosophical ideals, such as the Greek philosophical ideal of the externally and internally charismatic and capable being vs a blue haired, obese, smelly, charmless, unable to engage, listen or impress in any way woke toilet seat of a human, are worlds apart. Since it has been in the news lately, to nonetheless broach the topic, I will make the observation that whenever you come back to the UK from another country, you realise how nearly everyone here, but especially the women, look like charmless tramps, who really are completely unshaggable, as Lawrence Fox got in trouble for saying, not that I’d likely believe every single thing which he believes, and definitely they haven’t been shagged, at least not properly, in months or even years. Nonetheless, this strange modern chimera of a woman is convinced that everyone wants to hornily shag them. I am speaking rather plainly and even in a slightly bawdy way right now, but that is not necessarily a bad thing next to modern political pretence and fibs. Orwell called this human mind control scenario, where human desirability becomes an area in which a government tries to manipulate perceptions of the masses, the ‘anti sex league’ (for Orwell knew that sex, whilst a nuanced topic, is a sign of freedom and even human power in a generally functional society) where robotic females especially (for Orwell knew that women are more emotional and illogical and hive minded so follow ‘party slogans’ more than men) walk around with blank, charmless, sexless faces with red sashes of sexlessness around their waists and hips believing this makes them above all others. This thread is not about women and sex, however, since Politics Joe has been in the news lately for this very topic, I will conclude that Orwell was as insightful as ever that women are key footsoldiers of the New World Order owing to their hive minded, easily programmed psychological make up (yes, women have many relative strengths too, but that’s a separate topic) and the truth; that genuinely capable women stand by men and engage with them in a non robotic way, for far fewer men are deviants than WEF tells you and you must study those types in a certain capable way, will not be revealed to you by the mainstream media.

[@jayc342009]

Yet people are painting her as the victim, i wish i was a woman at times. I can be a vile person and openly show disdain towards men and when i face some backlash i am still the victim. Brilliant.

[@856Edwin]

When has she said that? If your referring to Twitter, then get GB News to move there instead of a broadcasting network on live television. I am speaking as someone who does not like or agree with a lot of what Ava says by the way. I just don't inappropiate mysognistic behaviour.

[@mrinvisible9175]

@@856Edwin And I don’t like inappropriate misandrist behaviour such as Ava constantly exhibits …however as a woman she would never be cancelled or called out for it … where as the word misogyny is thrown about for actions and words that are simply inconvenient truth regarding female behaviour.

[@856Edwin]

@@mrinvisible9175 She has said some messed up stuff for sure but she has not gone on a rant attacking someone personally like Fox did. Like I said, I don't like what she says and that Politics Live segment did get me angry. Men's mental health was supposed to be covered and it just switched back to women and sexual assault. Lawrence could of easily destroyed her argument with some facts and statistics but instead he attacked her personally which you can't do on a supposed serious broadcasting network. He did not mention mental health at all in what he said, he just spoke about her shagability. What's the point in that? He didn't even say what he said to her face. He did with Dan Wooton on his show. Where is even the manhood in that also? Disgusting and you know it.

[@dikofantastico]

Been waiting for this all day. I’m so sorry Ava had to have that vile little micro-Laurence speak about her in that way.

[@henyosdilly8999]

The vulgarity from Fox just reaffirms GB News is Trash TV. It's like the Sunday Sport of News.

[@TregMediaHD]

That's offensive to the Sport .😂 Between all the tits were some genuine comedy . GB news is just a joke

[@chrisreynolds3351]

All presenters on GBNews report truthful, factual news frankly & honestly. All the information is always verifiable. The elite, globalists & politicians want to hide facts from the public and they are scared that GBNews keeps the ´common oikes´ fully informed. As for Fox, what a plonker!

[@chrisreynolds3351]

All presenters on GBNews report truthful, factual news frankly & honestly. All the information is always verifiable. The elite, globalists & politicians want to hide facts from the public and they are scared that GBNews keeps the ´common oikes´ fully informed. As for Fox, what a plonker!

[@filmneek]

@@TregMediaHDGBN unfortunately does have some decent content on it with professional presenters with some shreds of decency, but the lowest of the low is Dan Wottons absolute gutter of a show. He’s an absolute pig, and Fox has shown himself to be one too.

[@ottooctavius5855]

Ava, for every disgusting man like Lawrence or Dan, remember there are hundreds of us that respect you and your work

[@mrinvisible9175]

And thousands that don’t. She is a misandrist.

[@ottooctavius5855]

@@mrinvisible9175 Incel alert

[@emilysymington6382]

So in terms of a minister for men, where is the minister for women for issues like pregnancy and periods etc. Ava is right re: mental health minister

[@ComradeSina-nt2ms]

Solidarity Ava.

[@Jourifouler]

just goes to show that all he and his fellow hosts think when a women comes in is about sleeping with them and not what they actually have to say.

[@stevenp1961]

lolll, Ava is smoking hot! That guy is crazy. She’s smart and incredibly attractive. 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@Cantabinexile]

The biggest problem is having current MP’s that are elected and paid to represent their constituents spouting their nonsense on GB news when they should be working for the people that elected them and nothing else.

[@shakespearsstepsister]

If you're talking about Lee Anderson, he also said in the past that MPs shouldn't have second jobs. The hypocrisy is breathtaking, though sadly not surprising for him.

[@snakeplissken5480]

but david lammy is fine on LBC yes?

[@Cantabinexile]

@@snakeplissken5480 No it is not

[@user-gd6qm9qs6n]

That man would not have a chance with the intelligent and beautiful woman he insulted.

[@jimmyandrews3963]

I’m gay, but Ava is stunning. More importantly she makes so many valid, thoughtful and relevant points in all the JOE media she’s involved in.

[@toekneekerching9543]

He wasnt talking about her looks but her awful political views that make her unbearable to talk to

[@GameDevAcademy]

​@@toekneekerching9543he used the terms "climb into bed" and "shag". I don't think he was only considering her arguments. Hopefully this will make him go away.

[@roryhand6650]

​@@toekneekerching9543the comments are in poor taste, but she is an utter shril.

[@comanchio1976]

What anyone thinks of her looks, is irrelevant. The fact that he used sex at all, as a way to degrade her, rather than just engaging with the points he disagreed with, is vile, disgusting and nowhere near acceptable.

[@tomclaydon92]

lol shes incredibly average and dull looking. if thats stunning you must be blind

[@farrahkhalid9138]

Why do they think we care if they walk away

[@Maxinebb64]

What odious misogyny right there …. And talk tv fans think those two bully’s are ‘great’ …. Let’s hope this ends both their social appearances

[@mrpokeit]

Holy shit. Hard to think of something as monstrously irrelevant as a journalists' 'shagability'. As a husband and father it just makes me feel sad and deflated, must just be so crushingly boring for you Ava. For what it's worth and as a counterpoint to such bile, not only have you elucidated me on many stories but you have made me laugh snort coffee over my monitor so many times on the pubcast I've popped an invoice for it's replacement in the post. Keep doing the amazing work you do giving a voice to the largely voiceless and try to ignore the useless utterings of such wastes of skin.

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

You’re a good man, a true husband and a great example to your children who will grow up with the right ethics and values and go far in their lives. Thank you for being an antidote to puerile, grubbing guttersnipes like Fox & Wootton 👊🏼🙏🏼

[@Dave-kg9bb]

Laurence Fox. If ever there was an example that if someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Appalling there are still mainstream(ish) outlets that give him the time. Not believing woottons laugh was out of 'shock' either...

[@robertfmorton]

You see, what we have here is a 'discussion' between two intelligent people. A slight disagreement between them which makes for an interesting discussion. Wootan and Fox, of course, being two unhinged, entitled gammons, throw their toys out of their prams and try to whip up anger among the hard of thinking. This woman is far more intelligent than Fox and Wootton, a fact which terrifies them.

[@bdbantham]

As someone who maybe doesn't have the same political views as Ava, I very much enjoy every single time I watch her... I think she's an extremely insightful journalist who has in-depth researched opinions, she's a brilliant communicator and actually just someone you loved to have a conversation with even if you maybe don't have the same political views. So hearing these comments from Laurence is Vile and disgusting... has no place in modern society and I hope that Ava can get through this time because it's not fair that she's been dragged in all the press with this disgusting story. Keep doing what you do best Ava! We all support you... Your brilliant on this channel and a brilliant podcastand as usual :)

[@sukiduke348]

*has no place in modern society* hmm where did I hear that from last time.

[@tobyalan8874]

Hasn't there been some controversy about Dan Wooton recently?

[@shakespearsstepsister]

The misrepresentation of what Ava actually said about male su*cide is disgusting as well.

[@robertchaplin]

Misandry is a word too I am sure.

[@haythurjack3967]

HUGE love for you Ava. Me and my boyfriend watch every Pubcast. I find you (and everyone else) absolutely hilarious. Makes my week. Keep strong.

[@JimBobHog.]

Simp 😂

[@zengergazette9738]

Abe is a woke beotch who is getting the same treatment she has given others.

[@RalphBrooker-gn9iv]

Is that deeply disturbing mindset really going away though? I worry that it isn’t, that it’s deteriorating. Very disappointing that your contact details were passed on. Good luck through this Ava.

[@KimuratrappedK]

Modern leftists like to play on uneven battlefields. They can say whatever they want about you; be it your mind, personality, physical self or basically any slight they choose. Yet they cry wolf when the same is done to them. How would they win any form of debate without cheating? Cowardice is a key trait for this weak, sick puppy, obedient-to-the-Epstein-class, charisma free generation. Saying this, it's not so much about left of right in the ultimate sense; that's for little minds if taken too seriously.

[@roberthindson488]

GB news precursor of British Der Sturmer….it’s the direction of travel, let’s see how many numpties there are who can fall under the fascist spell

[@sammydingdong4540]

My question would be what on earth is the use of Ofcom they have done nothing about this awful so called news channel and likewise with the equally poor Talk TV.

[@ajtp4273]

Ava. You are amazing. Keep doing what you do. Dont let the bastards get you down. Dan and Laurence are despicable. Wootton is already living on borrowed time. He should be locked up

[@dannyquinn9128]

I’m really sorry this happened to you Ava, GB News is the grubbiest channel that has ever appeared on TV. I never thought we’d be on the level of Fox News but it seems we’re getting there.

[@cliffheywood]

free speech pal

[@dodgerboe]

The New Millennials are so Wet and So Far left they couldn’t save themselves let alone defend they’re Nation !!! Feelings what a Joke😂😂😂😂

[@sdrawkcabUK]

That’s because all the other channels are establishment mouthpieces, as evidenced so plainly in their recent whipping up a hysteria against Russell brand, so when something comes along offering an alternative viewpoint people will be drawn to it.

[@dannyquinn9128]

@@sdrawkcabUK there’s alternative viewpoints and there’s GBeebies. Do you have any evidence that other channels are “establishment mouthpieces”, or is that just another catchphrase you’ve heard on GB News?

[@sdrawkcabUK]

@@dannyquinn9128 The recent Russell Brand *allegations* are a good example. BBc/Sky/C4 etc all in complete lockstep that the claims are essentially true and Brand should be cancelled. An open and shut case of sexual misconduct. 'Gbeebies' as you call it had a range of viewpoints on the issue, including those who questioned the timing of the allegations against Brand, as well as the government's attempts to get him removed from Rumble, asking if there might be another agenda at play (regardless of the truth or not of the allegations). Pretty much any current hot button issue will show the same MO - legacy media outlets unquestioningly support the establshment view on l@ckdowns, BLM, Net 0, etc etc. Opposition, if covered at all, will be dismissed as cranks or conspiracy theorists etc. Whereas GBN has allowed differing and dissenting view to be heard.

[@williamhornabrook8081]

Where did these gross, conservative British networks come from? They remind me of Sky News Australia.

[@playlist9980]

Would "little man" grant an Ofcom investigarion?

[@AW-oc1dr]

That is actually disgusting, how could he not be cut off for that? At least you know you got under his skin, when he starts throwing around the kind of dumb shit teenage boys say.

[@Minorheadlines]

Totally not surprised that that he said what he said and that GB News approved it before hand. Disgusting behavior

[@johnpirie4804]

No wonder Billie Piper divorced him!

[@cupguin]

I was just surprised GBN has then responded in an almost sensible fashion.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

​@@johnpirie4804I'm j7st surprised that she married him

[@DJFAmenHeavy]

This channel is followed by sways of incel men. Just look at the comments 😂

[@jonsmith5058]

@@johnpirie4804 Billie married him?! Jeez, she has such weird taste in men for a woman that I imagine attracts quite alot so isnt struggling for choices.

[@BruceKarrde]

Imagine going on a show, the guy says "Often when men's issues are mentioned, it is met with hostility" and then you have Ava coming in with "what about women?" it's like ... can't you at least listen to the guy? He's 100% right. If suicide was the #1 killer for women, we would look at what society can do, but as soon as it's for men it's like "that's your own fault, suck it up". The Feminist approach: "Men act, women are acted upon" is proven time and time again. Even now, when a woman kills herself, people look for a man to blame. When a man kills himself, they are looking for where he himself can be blamed.

[@linmorell1813]

Ava you are an excellent journalist who is entitled to your very valid opinion.Thank you for the work you do. You are a correct it is nothing to do with you.

[@mrdaveythebaby]

If you consider that this was a preplanned bit, you can also say that Fox is incredibly crap in his scripted vile insults. Is that the best he can come up with? I don't get why Wooton was even laughing along.