Responding to toxic reddit kpop opinions that will piss you off

[@gamjasong04]

It’s funny because they call newjeans mean for acting sassy with one another like friends do, but they also call ive coworkers/not close for being introverted and not being chaotic and savage enough, female idols can never win.

[@daerincakes]

fr

[@jooniesun]

For some people if Hanni acts “savage” she’s rude but if their oppas do it then they’re cool and funny…double standards at its finest

[@soft4taeng]

Yeah the double standards for male and female groups when it comes to group dynamics are absolutely crazy.

[@Dive_engene_ivexenhypen]

SO TRUEEE i saw a lot of txt videos when they argue for fun and hit themselves for fun and i always think that if it was a girl group hell nah cant imagine the hate

[@marig3784]

⁠@@Dive_engene_ivexenhypenrightt omg when I watch bg content I think of that and sometimes I spot male idols looking like they don’t wanna be there and I think if they were girls there would’ve already been a scandal

[@Dive_engene_ivexenhypen]

@@marig3784 i know righttt just look at nct being praised for smoking and vaping (nothing to praise) if it were to be a gg....

[@marig3784]

@@Dive_engene_ivexenhypen yeah I mean I don’t judge about that but yeah if they were girls I couldn’t even imagine the hate. And I just think of the things fans say when bgs argue or look serious or angry it’s always “he was not having it lol” or “he’s so savage” when if they were girls they would be called mean girls, bullies, etc.

[@Actually.mickey]

The Wonyoung one is pissing me off. She didn't ask to be this popular. It just happened because there's people who genuinely adore her like I do. If you want your faves to have that same popularity, focus on them more than complaining. Ive seen kpop stans do this exact same crap to other idols/groups like BTS, Blackpink, Twice, ect and it needs to stop

[@soft4taeng]

Preach! One thing is wishing for the other members to be more popular, but disliking someone because they are more famous is just giving insecurity, as if these idols asked for all of this…

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Wonyoung work hard since age of 13 yo in kpop industry. Many haters re lost in their own life

[@Dive_engene_ivexenhypen]

you ate!

[@vangyul]

Kpop stans lowering their standards is most likely the reason people were bashing Nmixx for “flexing their vocals too much” and hating on Babymonster for “over-performing” and it’s so disappointing

[@northrnstar]

it's always "bring back real singers" until these singers go on and have opportunities to showcase their talent

[@FallforcupidD]

3. Not liking Wonyoung because she is too popular is so idiotic to me. If you don't like her personality, fine, but because she's well-known? Just say you need an excuse to hate her and leave it there.

[@ItsBen99]

I miss times when music show wins came naturally, when it was the right time, when the songs really deserved the win cause they were actually successful. Now it feels like everyone wants their faves to win within a week from debut or else it’s the end of the world, but it’s really not. Wins are not everything 🙄

[@Maria-uv9pd]

This! And people calling groups flops because they didn't get multiple wins with their debut. My ults are still winless - and just celebrated their 7th anniversary. That's a bit extreme, but I wish fans would give these groups a year or so (or at least a comeback or three) before expecting a win.

[@appleberry713]

wonyoung could literally breathe and people would find an excuse to hate her

[@FallforcupidD]

7. Vocals are the song. We can listen to the clicking of sneakers from the idols dancing. Vocals are why we listen to the song. Valuing vocals is not a bad thing. But I can get the point that not every member needs Beyonce or Bruno Mars vocals.

[@cool-with-uu]

"I dont like wonyoung because she is too popular" oh well shit, what do you want her to be? 💀

[@lavienrosewon8811]

The People forget wonyoung worked hard since age 13 yo as kpop idol and deserve all her popularity. She is dedicated and talented

[@Sanatizer_1009]

If 90% groups Disbanded im leaving kpop

[@wizyjin]

i will never understand wonyoung haters

[@FallforcupidD]

2. Me and my sister have a similar relationship that the newjeans members have with each other, and I love my sister to death lol. Close friends have inside jokes and dynamics

[@soft4taeng]

That’s cute and it really goes to show how close you are, but of course some kpop stans have no idea how normal human relationships work.

[@lilylis]

I think the oversaturation issue is due to the quantity over quality mentality that some companies have. There's also the overworking (like with twice) and extreme age restrictions (because 25 is ancient now). If the kpop industry took more time to release and let the idols have the longevity of Tayeon, for instance, I feel like we wouldn't feel this oversaturation.

[@lilylis]

I was able to go to Ive's concert in my country and it was so amazing. Wonyoung is a top performer. Her energy is all up from beginning to end, and she interects so much with the crowd.

[@REI.12-r5f]

Why wonyoung haters are so stupid?? Like it's some sort of requirement or something??? Cuz fr imagine don't like someone for begin popular 😭😭

[@juliamikaleson6551]

The 3rd one is giving pick me energy because they’re “so different”

[@Hanzu_Yuzuru]

Unpopular Opinion: Kpop male idols always get accused of “double standards” to female kpop idols.

[@K-Limu]

Honestly for the blackpink one, soyeon, moonbyul i don't remember her name but one of the dreamcatcher member and maybe even Asa are better than Lisa or Jennie.

[@davidwong6682]

The Dreamcatcher member who is the main rapper is Dami. She is a really good rapper.

[@K-Limu]

@@davidwong6682 ok thanks 👍

[@Danielle_bunny]

Hanni one is so dumb like that person actually never had friends that also haven’t they seen how she’s so kind with them?

[@favour4150]

2. Some kpop stans love showcasing their lack of human interaction on the internet. Please touch some grass and leave NewJeans alone. 🙏🏽

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

I'm a Kpop stan who knows almost every girl group in the 4th gen (2018 to 2024) and quite a lot of 3rd gen groups (2012 to 2018), I know a lot of boy groups too as well. I try to find every group to debut each year (starting in 2021) and I try to find the nuguist of nugu artist (I gave context, so that I actually can say it with the knowledge I have), but I do agree with the fact that a lot of kpop groups should disband. They just overfill the industry because there are quite a few kpop companies that are just debuting groups each year to disband them after debut or after 1 or 2 comebacks, and it's very uncertain which groups actually stay and which groups disband immediately after debut. That's why we have idols like Jinsil (Blackpink's backup dancer)(Her last group was disbanded girl group Blastar), Soohyun (Her last group is the promoting trot gg Minimani) & Jein (Her last group is disbanded girl group HeyGirls) who have all 3 debuted 5 times. Idols under nugu companies are unsure whether their career is stable or not because of labels not being able to manage their groups properly. This is why I have a problem everytime a new company pops up or an already made company pops up and debuts a group or prepares to debut a group because there's just too many that debut and with disbandments happening a lot, it's just too much. Also, there are kpop companies who don't know how to make a decent song (I don't mind if the mv is low budget as long as the song is decently made), which makes the group uninteresting to a lot of people because of the low quality production. Plus, the debuting of average idols who can't decently sing, rap or dance too (amongst all budgeted labels). Lots of factors have led me to agree that a lot of kpop groups should disband or shouldn't have debuted because of the companies who didn't think it through before debuting them even though I love promoting all sorts of artists especially the nuguist of nugus on my other channel for ktube content.

[@soft4taeng]

I don't really have a problem with the industry being saturated if all the groups get properly managed and are able to build their own identity, however, this isn't the case for a lot of groups whose companies debut them just to then not put any effort into them, like you said. I firmly believe that if you are a nugu company that can barely pay for a decent song you shouldn't debut groups at all, but some of these companies don't think it through and just debut random groups, hoping to magically recreate a bts kind of success. However, i just think these groups shouldn't debut in the first place, instead of just disbanding them after debut (like the opinion said) because that would really mean having wasted these trainees' time without even giving them a chance.

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

@@soft4taeng yes, I definitely agree. I always say that if you cannot manage a group properly don't debut them in the first place. There have been so many groups since the first gen to debut and disband after 1 song. I can name a lot of songs in the 4th generation alone. To get an idea about how many groups debut in a year. You can make a 100 nugu kpop song video for girl groups and boy groups and have 100 different girl group songs and 100 different boy group songs. No groups would repeat in the list. That's how many debut each year!

[@northrnstar]

not wanting to sound too controversial but i don't think blackpink had the strongest rap line even in their own generation...

[@Binchanareangels]

Yes, thisss, like chan said, just because you can rap fast, doesnt mean you can rap (He said it about vocals but still you get it)

[@davidwong6682]

Whether Blackpink has the strongest rap line in their generation or not I won't be commenting. But my favourite rap part among the 3rd generation groups is Jisoo's verse in Pretty Savage. That verse hits so hard.

[@parkpark6976]

I think they don't need rap from BP. They just want to attract global attention to kpop. Because now I think it keeps decreasing.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Clock it

[@nicatine]

I said something similar, only about Lisa. Lisa can't rap at all, even at the peak of her career. I feel like she was only popular for resembling a Barbie Girl and that was it.

[@beomcub]

couldn't agree more!! you should definitely do more reddit videos 🤍

[@daerincakes]

The whole one with Hanni is double standards at its finest. Female idols have always had the bad end of the stick

[@JustCallMeTiff.]

That fact that these people thought they were right makes it so much more agitating to watch.

[@ash_g8st944]

7:51 what are bad songs? Why do some people call songs bad because they don’t like it?

[@djdjsjskjdnnxsjns]

actually big3 groups aren't attending the show, as far as i noticed the only big3 groups that attend the show are nct wish and riize and they only do that on first week of promotions if they're attending at all, no yg and jype idol attended the show in years, hybe is the only big company regularly sending their groups to the show while sm seems to be sending groups only when they're rookies

[@skdoremi6666]

Am so tired of comparing female idols to male idols every time they get criticised..."so you call my x fav boring but if it's your oppa he is savage" kind of response are the most boring and stupidest ones from feminists wannabe kpop stans. For example, the water festival lately when Korean called out some female artists for their excessive nudity,majority of internationally stan compared it to the males topless performances and said its gender inequality! Well no one mided for years that female performed in their bikini...till they started to flash their butt and 🐈‍⬛! Male idols may have been topless but so did many female idols. Wearing small bikini, panties instead of shorts....but unlike male idols who focused on performance and vocals,most of female idols were tweaking on stage,laying on the floor with their butt on air! Did anyone talked about their performances,song,talent, hyping the crowd? No! But everyone in the tl called them talented powerful women😒 now let just remember when a male idol came on stage wearing boxer, and tweaking sexually on stage🤔never. There is no comparison here,a man can go topless and he will be hyped, but he needs talent too or else no one would care about his 6 packs. A woman in a bikini doesn't even need to move, yet when they do, it's sexualising their performances,its all about exposing their bodies and that's not empowerment at all.

[@marialinguist]

Free my girl Hanni from these woke people

[@fmalovegirl98]

Wow the first person had the audaticy with that opinion...sure, there's more groups debuting than before but it doesn't change the fact that most popular mainstream groups will dominate and other smaller groups lowkey just hang in there to keep their act going. Kpop would be boring without other acts, geez.

[@jasonie-5]

i thought this was clickbait until i felt piss off by the 2nd one😭😭

[@ash_g8st944]

1:42 can we stop diagnosing people pls

[@jennieunnie]

1. thats literally mental? you cant go around telling others that if almost every group in kpop disbands it would be better like no that doesnt make any sense and it will never do, just because your favs are enough for you doesnt mean the rest should vanish,and then people ask why kpop is so divided, well ml its because of people like this. 2.theres no way people call hanni out of all idols rude?..shes so sweet and anything but rude newjeans members are still relatively young and i can confirm that lots of friend groups around there ages are always sarcastic and “rude” in a way which isnt,shes not rude at all. 3.now thats mad crazy bc what?? its giving me blackpink and bts flashbacks when people say i dont stan bp and bts like you are not special, popular groups also have talent just like any other group, its not wonyoungs fault she blew up people like her and thats it shes talented,pretty and privileged everything to be one of the top artists in korea,people have so much to say to popular idols like wonyoung,jennie,taehyung,nayeon,sakura,yunjin and much more..and then they go and bias the least popular out of pitty which i find toxic. 4.um..i cant. 5.literally just an opinion trying to be a fact, there are lots of groups that have great rappers in 4th and 5th gen, i agree writing your own lyrics are not always the way to be a good rapper this might be a little controversial but gidles soyeon is definitely talented in writing and composing but her voice is kinda just irritating it hits all the wrong spots,no hate to her im not trying to drag her but people act as if shes the best rapper there are lots of rappers in kpop and the best ones are ones that are not known much.

[@derangedmoa]

hanni does seem like a mean person ngl (this is js my opinion in light of the fact that she went extremely far to propagate the sentiment that hybe endorses workplace bullying recently and even cried it’s kinda dramatic ngl)

[@SAMARAGRACW]

For opinions 6 I think you honestly missed the entire point of it. The point isn't that you shouldn't be able to talk about the other members that are not The Main lead the point is that if you're going to try to call a group something that is bad usually you're going to have to judge their main or lead positioner because they are the best in that area for a reason and their titles or roles tell you that. You used the 10 girl group example (which I'm 95% sure that's just you talking about Girls generation) but I also have an example for you a six group example, every member in the group has their main or lead role including the ones that don't necessarily have main or lead leaving those members to be okay or at least decent in those areas especially compared to their main vocalist or lead vocalist because those are the main and lead for a reason they're the best in that area, now let's say the sub vocalist messes up on a vocal and people start calling the group trash or horrible vocalist and start thrashing on a group as a whole.. it obviously wouldn't make sense because that is the sub vocalist or just a regular vocalist they're not the main or lead or the other members they're not as good and they never claimed to be like how the main vocalist in lead vocalist do, I can agree that some members should be good at certain things but not everybody has to be good at everything that alone some things because they have their roles for a reason the only one I expect to be good in other areas are the visuals because that's mainly just a title more than anything else

[@SAMARAGRACW]

When you see a member of the group being bad at dancing or messing up on Dancing yes your first reaction is to I guess criticize them but most people and I mean a good 87 to 92% of K-pop fans immediately judge the entire group as if that was the original complaints let alone problem

[@SAMARAGRACW]

It's literally like Le Sserafim who all managed to do their roles very well because those are their roles they are the best in what they're called Sakura has essentially everything else but very good vocals but she never claimed to have them let alone wanted to have amazing vocals because she never felt like she had to focus on them, in people telling her we're asking about her vocals were absolutely right because you know she should still be at in people telling her we're asking about her vocals were absolutely right because you know she should still be at in people telling her we're asking about her vocals were absolutely right to judge ONLY her but it quickly got out of hand and people started calling the other members horrible vocalist even though two of them are actually pretty good or decent vocalist themselves.

[@SAMARAGRACW]

Not all the members have to be all rounded necessarily but they do have to have a sense of holding up with their roles tell you that they are, if somebody has visual dancer and rapper expect them to be good at dancing and rapping and not at vocals because they're not telling you that they are.

[@appleberry713]

I agree with number seven completely

[@Hanni._.Bubblegum.]

The Hanni is rude one is so annoying like stfu-

[@SAMARAGRACW]

Oh yeah and another thing no offense to mainly you but I don't think most of you K-pop fans know what the word mediocracy or mediocre means. Especially since it means to be normal or essentially the standard of something and y'all use it as if it's supposed to mean to be below the standard😂

[@LisaM-oh8ik]

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[@Sooya_Luver]

5. Ima have to disagree with them because some of the rappers that you name are better XG rapline. I think that because I just prefer them over XG, I like their flow better so yeah I agree with you. But that’s just imo.