Retro vs Modern - 1991 Africa Twin vs 2019 Africa Twin

[@Sixz89]

The old bike still looks amazing :)

[@Waranus36]

Because it is.

[@davidandrew3481]

And it has less complications

[@nazmiaizat9640]

aggre bro...but the new one comes with new technology...but the old is still owesome

[@PlayerSlotAvailable]

That is the big thing... the old one is so much prettier than the new generic headlamps.

[@ausforce1]

OMFG! Retro vs modern !! finally someone is making a real comparison of real bikes not just the latest products pumped out. So much potential for this series.

[@Smart.Potato]

Throttlesnap agreed!

[@michaelwright4525]

OMFG! How can you even make a comparison between the two? There's 30 years technology difference! I really hope the modern bikes outdo the original copy. In addition the 1991 is a 750. Listening to the guy, I felt a few times like saying "No shit sherlock!"

[@goranmilutinovic2960]

My old AT (1995) has crossed 340,000 km (210,000 ml) without any major breakdown and is still going and for the new AT we can just see ... great video

[@ilikelampshades6]

Impressive milage!

[@Okke-j2n]

Goran dont be ENVY. Probably you can't buy the new. That's all. If you could buy the new one, you throw your old in a garbage area.

[@unsearch]

god dayum you really are flying across the world with that beautiful bike

[@fabricewattez]

Impressive.

[@jakaberdajs4378]

Whys everyone impressed by 300.000km?? I constantly see bikes for sale with anyhwere from 200.000-450.000km, a lot of them bikes like 1200GS's and Super Tenere1200's and those are like 5-10years old... Whats so impressive about 300.000km in 28 years??

[@990jimmer]

XT600 tenere (1VJ or 3AJ) vs. Tenere 700.

[@thealvaco]

Good choice

[@DoubleYouPee1]

This! The old tenere is so much lighter than the old Africa twin. Really interested how it compares.

[@ImLeuff]

Also 660 Tenere in there, maybe a group Tenere generations test? I want to see how much the 700 improves on 660 and no one has done it yet

[@MotoSwagger]

Agreed... 3 generations of Tenere would be a great video!

[@firewolter]

Those are not the same class of bikes imo. You should compare the new Tenere 700 with the old Xtz Super Tenere 750.

[@LARGO125]

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[@valaudae1809]

The 27 year old AT is still going strong, looks great with more ‘presence” and gets my vote. How will the new one perform in 27 years time?

[@BrakeMagazine]

What a question!

[@Instructorautomoto]

Better then The New 1250 gs! :))

[@hrbestalkinme3690]

Brake Magazine Most of these newer ADV bikes will be in the trash with a litany of impossible electrical problems that require proprietary tools.

[@pedroat750]

That is also my question.

[@rickc2222]

Agreed, I remember drooling at that 1991 AT on the showroom floor back when i was in High school. Its still a sexy beast today. I test rode the new AT last year and was thoroughly disappointed. Felt disconnected from the road like the reviewer said. DCT is nice on long rides but also feels like something is lost. I think I'd consider buying the 90's version for some adventuring if the price was right....that or an XR650L with a rally fairing on it.....

[@povlhalberg5361]

I agree, the "older" bikes with less bells and whistles. I would like to see a Honda CRF650L based on the XR650R chassis, electric starter and EURO5 standards. As light as possible with room for light luggage.

[@thealvaco]

I'd buy one

[@Andrew-sv3ck]

Hell no, we need a revamped aluminum frame XR650L. Would make it a super competitive dual sport.

[@grantholmes5661]

I love how you mention the rawness of the old bikes. I have a new Africa Twin, and I love it, but i do think that the computer and the bike take over some of the riding, and it limits how much I feel, and how in control I feel. I also ride dirtbikes and other streetbikes. I will say there is something I love about the absolute control I feel when I ride more simple manual designs. As you stated, it makes you feel like you earned every corner, and the entire trail. The more the bike does for me, the less sure of myself I am when I push my limits. Just a note. Love the new bike though. Very fun.

[@OgreMoto]

Moto.Knight one of the things I love about my AT (I chose a manual version), is that you can turn ABS and TCS off so you have that feeling of raw control.

[@andybiker8647]

Having owned both old and new models of the Africa twin what you don’t mention and is a big deal is ; the brakes on the old one are rubbish and the tank once full is really top heavy and noticeable, the new one doesn’t have these issues , and before anyone mentions it both bike I bought from new a 2000 model and a 2017 model. Just my honest opinion

[@1990-t1j]

I agree about the old one, as I had one for four years.

[@BeSatori]

I had a TransAlp, my biggest complaint was how top-heavy it was.

[@jorritheijn7681]

Honda Transalp 600 vs 700 would be cool

[@mohba01]

seen some old transalp with well over 5,00,000 kms. no engine work done whatsoever. must be incredible bikes made to last i guess.

[@SeanHollingsworth]

The Transalp engine would be perfect if mated to a modern chassis and suspension.

[@masquemta]

@@SeanHollingsworth yep. All transalps lacked on that department. I think they could have made it so much more capable for OffRoad use, such a shame it never happened

[@bananafarmer7224]

Absolutely love my 650. It's so much fun off road. Way more capable than it should be. Only thing lacking is a bit of grunt, oh and a bit more ground clearance would be nice lol

[@BeSatori]

@@SeanHollingsworth And a lower center of gravity. My number one complaint of my '89, BUT I STILL LOVED IT!

[@willtaylor5739]

1996 Suzuki DR650 vs 2019 Suzuki DR650, oh wait...

[@codenamenoob4973]

Very good 😂 FFS Suzuki need to update their bikes

[@robertgOU812]

My 2018 Dr has some upgrades that aren't there on the 2017 version...fuel filter near the helmet latch and tool kit.

[@willtaylor5739]

@@robertgOU812 we could definitely make a 12 minute video about that.

[@aero5937]

Suzuki cant update the DR because of modern day emissions. If she changes anything, the need to do a new emission test and it will fail. Same story with the KLR and XR

[@wickedleeloopy2115]

Worlds apart. Different headlight. LOL

[@alextrofimoff3399]

Kudos for doing the comparisons that us old guys think of. But, is it really going to be a surprise that modern bikes are always going to be “better” - better, smoother engines; more power; better suspension; better adjustability; better brakes, better ….well pretty much everything. I think that what this test, and every single other comparo between an old bike and a new bike will reveal is: There’s something lost in the ‘better’. Call it ‘soul’; call it ‘cool’; call it ‘feel’; call it. . . whatever. When you insert a computer to take over a rider’s function, something is lost! There’s something about old tech that puts a smile on the rider’s face that new tech just can’t match, even if the old bike is slower, poorly suspended, etc. Old school has its benefits! I’ve got a lot more bikes than a person should be allowed to own. Old and new. For the life of me, I have no logical reason why I should own a ’80 XT500, when I have a GS850, KLR650 or DL1000, because those bikes are demonstrably ‘better’ in every measurable way. And yet, when I kick that XT into life, it puts a huge smile on my face - it’s a friggen hoot. Every one of your comparos is going to show the same thing. I’m subscribed with a big thumbs up!

[@adrianalexandrov7730]

New is not always better: 2005 D-tracker 250 vs d-tracker x. Sometimes attempts to comply new ecology standards just kills more or less fun machine.

[@billallen4793]

Those xt's were tractors!! That's a compliment...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

[@Ray-lf1eo]

I ride bikes to ride bikes not to ride computers. I can so that at home

[@nedkelly4999]

I miss my old Africa twin but I'm getting another one very soon😁

[@gokulkrishm51]

Did you get it? 😄

[@Highairboarder]

Which one you get

[@zepedrofd]

First ever time I stepped into a motorcycle shop, I was 14 and it was to see a 1992 Africa Twin. I didn’t really know what adventure was and I knew nothing about motorcycles…but that bike was so appealing, it reeked something I was craving for without knowing it! Took me another 12 years to decide to get my licence and again 6 years to buy the Twin! People were telling me « it’s sluggish » « it doesn’t handle » « it’s slow ». It was putting me down from trying the legend I imagined. They were all wrong! I had so much fun with it! I’ve had more than 25 bikes, from supermoto to superbikes, even Varadero and a Harley. The old Africa Twin have been my most fun years of riding! I was the guy that they couldn’t shake off on a mountain road even with twice the power, the guy that couldn’t behave in line, jumping every obstacle. The guy that cut everyone off (of the group) at the petrol station by jumping through the bushes. Lend the bike to a friend so he could take a girlfriend for a ride…he scrapped the footpegs…the passenger footpegs!!!! The new bike is amazing! But it just doesn’t have that feel! Too much…

[@whatsstefon]

So, basically the old bike is better apart from suspension. Which is really easy to fix.

[@BrakeMagazine]

I don't think so. If you make the suspension better you'll meet the limit of the chassis.

[@whatsstefon]

@@BrakeMagazine perhaps. But in saying that, once you begin modifying a bike, there's always something else that becomes the weakest link in the chain.

[@enricopucci7413]

@@BrakeMagazine *MODERN AFRICA TWIN (CRF1000 L2) ISN'T EVEN CAPABLE OF DOING OFF ROAD PROPERLY I SEE A LOT OF THIS NEW FANCY TOYS FAIL WHEN FALL OFF THE CARTER (FROM THE STATOR SIDE) ALWAYS BROKE IS A COMMON PROBLEM THANKS FOR NOTHING SKIDPLATE IF THAT'S THE BEST HONDA CAN GIVE TO THE PUBLIC IN THE DEALERSHIPS I WILL RECOMEND THE SUZUKI V-STROM 1000 OR THE CLASSIC FOR EXCELENCE THE BMW GS 850 ADVENTURE THAT BIKES REALLY WORTH IT AND IN SUZUKI CASE THE MAINTENANCE AND FIX COST ARE CHEAP VERY REALIBLE MACHINES*

[@lorenzorusso5375]

@@enricopucci7413 calm down bro

[@xxtoxii9615]

check out the dude that made africa into supermoto

[@PetreRodan]

in order for suspension comparisons to be drawn you must have fresh oil in the old bike's forks. that in itself is a huge factor in how the bike behaves in bumpy conditions. I love the idea behind this series, and can't wait for a 990 vs 1090 comparison.

[@BrakeMagazine]

We could go to that level, without doubt, but even on gloopy old suspension, you still have an idea over the bikes suspension :) A brand new bike is always going to behave better than a 30 year old one, even if it's been refreshed. :)

[@lkrogsgaard]

This is a good idea. I would really like to see the XTZ750 vs. Tenere 700. I have an old '91 Super Tenere, and i feels really old in some point. Just as you said here the suspension has gone a lot of way in 30 years, but i surprised me that you thought the older bike was lighter. The 1000 CRF has grown in size but still. The one main issue with my old Super Tenere, is that i really feel it to very heavy, with much of the weight in top. I recently drove a BMW F850GS, and it felt like 50 kgs lighter in the track, but they do weigh approx the same. I think the difference between the old S10 and the new T700, will be big.

[@tomast9034]

all old was generally lighter....golf class cars were 500kg lighter in general :D...well except bicycles :D

[@davealston6816]

Brutally honest .... no egos , both of you !! Brilliant report. So accurate. I had one and sold it quickly as i did not connect with it.

[@BrakeMagazine]

Thanks for the feedback :) Glad you liked it!

[@NoelWeldon1980]

Ye I heard it's very bland for that money you'd want some excitement

[@LucasSousaS205]

I’m a Brazilian guy who loves motorcycles. Thank you for the video.

[@gapadry]

I love my RD07! So many memories and feelings, so much freedom. It is really a war maschine. It had problems with reglor and fuel pump, but I can drive without a fuel pump, and regler... I cut the conectors and welded the wires together... works perfect. Only 60 HP but they all work and will not let me down. It hapened many times people wanted photos of the bike because she looks beautiful. The new AT still has to prove deserve the name. Thank you for this video

[@pieterbritz4341]

Enjoyed the comparison. I have the XRV750 RDO7. Great companion.

[@AleksiJoensuu]

I dunno what the heck it is about old bikes but man I just smile so much more when I ride my old things.

[@AleksiJoensuu]

I think... It's that they are unique and personal. They are faulty and imperfect - and so are we. We can relate to them. We understand what it is to be imperfect, limited, but what it is to TRY. And they're old and people have forgotten them - but they aren't ready to be forgotten. They still want to GO. I think we can sympathise with that more than we can with perfection.

[@oskararenas9889]

One of the most interesting reviews out there... Thank you, mates

[@thorstenwanoth6774]

So while 30 years apart - they both stand together and shine in different ways. That's cool with me. Currently stuck on a 1994 RD07. XR400R ride through Inanda Valley today was great.

[@tiberiunovac7126]

How about BMW750GS vs the famous 650GS Single, people are saying that things evolve but BMW was totally unable to fill the gap over the 650. People tend to forget that it was produced for almost 15 years in several variations and it is still one of the most maneuverable bikes that ever existed with fantastic geometry, great fuel autonomy and just sheer control and trust. The race for more powerful engines seems so useless when I get back to ride on my 2006 650GS single, just makes you think of travelling around the world...

[@SeanHollingsworth]

That Rotax engine built specifically for BMW is the best motorcycle engine that Rotax ever made, in my opinion. The ones that were mated up to the American ATK motorcycles were not as good, although they appeared identical.

[@OmmerSyssel]

Interesting. I tried the 650 first time presented. Unbelievable lame with no Torque, like driving a moped.. Preferred my long outdated Honda 750 from ~1973...

[@stephenswift4453]

The old bike is like an old friend! A few faults but "what the hell!"😁

[@mainstreammoto4856]

Nicely done! I personally find some tech annoying. When you mentioned how some of it made a disconnect from the bike so that you can't feel what its doing, I couldn't agree more! I don't ride a motorcycle because it's easy so I'm certainly not looking for a bike that makes riding effortless! Very good video! Great camera work too! Thank you!

[@BrakeMagazine]

Most of the disconnect with the AT is due to the chassis being disconnected from the ground but you're right. And thanks for the positive words.

[@FanOWater]

Really enjoyed it! How about the KTM 790R versus the 950. Cheers

[@Cafeducati]

FanOWater AGREED

[@sickunit2096]

FanOWater yes! I own a 950 and would love to see that comparison!

[@Braapncamp]

Really liked this! So let's do it with KTM's as well. Throw in the 990 with the two, i think.

[@D001lz]

Great idea!

[@n.v.b.3616]

I think the 950 is better 😁 (I own one) but still curious about the comparison!

[@North_Explorer]

BMW R1150 GS Adventure vs R1250 GS Adventure ! From the Long way Round to The Long way for Coffee!! You guys make very good Videos ! Keep that coming ! Thank you!

[@StocksFarm]

Nice work guys, and a pair of nice bikes. I'd like to see a video comparing the old XR400R to the new CRF450L.

[@MaraDaCoriovallum]

I drive the 1999 model and I'm still happy with it....yes of course, the new model is amazing but I don't really need it....

[@MaraDaCoriovallum]

@000000 the RD07 is a perfect bike....I think the new one too....but for me it's not nessassary to get the new one.... All Africa Twins are great....it doesn't matter with one U get....

[@MaraDaCoriovallum]

@000000 Yeah you're maybe right but I get this bike to don't use the highway.... highways are so boring....

[@MaraDaCoriovallum]

@000000 okay.... but 60 horses are enough for that to me.... with the RD07 u can hold very easy a average speed of 130 km/h with luggage and all.... ..... the new model is maybe quite better in every way but I'm now 50 years old and I better spend my money for my Volvo Laplander C303.... 😎

[@DikkeBetha]

I drive a 1989 Africa Twin 650 almost daily (wetter not to nasty) and I upgraded the front suspension with progressive springs and a bit thicker oil and it totally transforms the bike. Instead of "crashing into rocks and potholes" etc. as you say, and generally flopp'n about due to the soft suspension, the handling improved massively. It will never be a modern generation AT, but it has become darn good for what it is. Flickable and very stable on motorways and on the twisties alike.

[@BrakeMagazine]

I can imagine.

[@deborahchesser7375]

Perfect example of keeping a classic bike in the hunt and still competitive, well done brother.

[@MichaelFitzpatrick17]

So what you're saying is, get a Tenere 700 for the simplicity and light weight of the old bike, but the sophisticated suspension of the new bike. Got it 😁👍

[@BrakeMagazine]

😂😂yes...

[@v4forlife]

Good thing I got one. 😂😂😂

[@gasdive]

I heard get a KTM 790 for the rawness, feedback and true off road ability of the old Honda, but with suspension that shames the new Honda.

[@jezwc]

Or CRF1000L non dct

[@stadce]

I really enjoyed this video. I have been drooling over the Africa Twin AS DCT and it’s neat to see the heritage of the bike.

[@BrakeMagazine]

Glad you like it!

[@nickc-s3675]

Great vid love the concept old vs new can’t wait for the next one.👍🏍👏

[@BrakeMagazine]

Thanks!

[@Blecek6443]

Finally a great comparison. Good job guys!

[@svendura1]

Simply brillant! Thanks for the good work. I love this video.

[@disekjoumoer]

Great great video! This is the reason I love my old 2009 Kawasaki Versys 650 so much. It's planted, can out corner almost any other bike, screams like a banshee at high revs because you have to ride it there to keep it going and is so damn robust. Honda take note, this is why everyone is looking forward to the Yamaha Ténéré 700.

[@neilwiddison6529]

Your bike is not old i have a 97 vfr750 in great condition starts first time runs great it feels so solid and well put together

[@1LTNOE]

Triumph Tiger 955i vs Tiger 1200 BMW R1150 GS vs R1250GS Cagiva Elephant 900 vs Ducati Multistrada Suzuki DL650 2005 vs DL650XT 2019

[@gretchensghost]

1100GS surely? Not that I had a couple and loved them. They were heavier than the 1150, It might be more of a step to the new bike than than the 1150.

[@kravchan]

@@gretchensghost, 1100 is more robust, reliable ABS and gearbox.

[@djpierre4613]

Almost, Triumph T400 vs new 900 Explorer and Cagiva should be against Desert X

[@roberthouldsworth4281]

Appreciated the point about the more visceral nature of the older bike, it's why we ride! For that reason I bought a KTM 1090, not a lot of frills, quite basic but good chassis/suspension, hopefully helping me to learn.

[@BrakeMagazine]

Great bike. Damn.

[@stanmetcalfe3817]

Another really useful real world review, lots of points to ponder over from 1st class skilled riders , very interesting

[@THE_SNAPP]

Greetings from Utah, USA. GREAT content. I have unsubscribed from several channels...have not added a new one until now. I like that it was shorter, and two the point. Great footage and production. And you didn't just ramble on like so many do, just to hear yourself speak. Beautiful country, too. Great job, gentlemen...I'm subscribed.

[@BrakeMagazine]

Thanks for the positive feedback, we really appreciate it! :)

[@timselbie3419]

Great to see the old africa twin. I used to do a lot of trails on my xt350 yamaha which I thought perfect for the job.Not quite sure what you would compare it with today.

[@thealvaco]

Wr250r

[@kirilcavdarov965]

Had one too. Would buy again if they still made it.

[@56cote]

I still ride one,underrated bike for what it is.

[@billallen4793]

My buddy had a xr350 that I thought was the perfect bike for town and trail...I was riding my cr125 and an old Mt250 at the time...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

[@billallen4793]

I've only seen 1 xt350 locally and never had the opportunity to ride one.. had a xt200 with a bb once...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

[@buzz10014]

i think you chose the best possible comparison right out of the gate. would love to see more

[@CindyBallreich]

Gen 1 v-strom 650 vs the current version

[@BrakeMagazine]

It's the nearly the same bike :P

[@caldeirone]

THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!!! Amazing episode!! ❤️

[@NzJohny]

1996 dr650 vs 2019 dr650. Just joking 😂

[@LucaNestola_FILM]

The comparison I wasn't even aware I was so much looking forward to 👏 Another series I'd really love would be "Price tag vs Convenience". For all those who, like me, are tempted by the vintage model, but most likely will end up buying new for performance and durability.

[@gregpearce]

1st Gen Suzuki Vstrom 1000 vs. 2019 Vstrom 1000

[@JohannesFleck]

Totally yes please

[@JohnFrahm0676]

Upvote

[@gasdive]

Is there any difference?

[@andrewshore262]

gasdive A vast difference

[@bladerunner7551]

please do it

[@Sjef0194517]

I ride mine DCT offroad quit a bit and once you get used to it, it's actually a pretty clever bit of kit.

[@BrakeMagazine]

It really is!

[@josee8224]

I prefer the old one...

[@jdmcarandmotorcycle4241]

Me too

[@jdmcarandmotorcycle4241]

😊😊😊me too

[@hubveders3402]

Thanks for your comparison. I changed from BMW R100GS PD 96 to the Africa Twin 1000 DTC 2018 because of problems with my wrist. Without manual clutch all works fine. As automotive technician I like the DCT in Automatic S1 or S2 and in Manual in more complex and curvy roads. I changed my AfricaTwin tyres to Mitas E 07+ which I had on the R100GS also. Now my feeling is even better than the BMW. In the beginning was the higher gravity weight center point something I had to get custom to at the Honda. Since the other tyres I handle it as the last 10 years with the BMW. If I had not this wrist problems I would buy an old Africa Twin as well.

[@thewoodster8607]

Love this format guys. Can't wait for the next one. Where are you filming?

[@BrakeMagazine]

We live in South Wales, UK, so we film most of our stuff in that area. :)

[@thewoodster8607]

@@BrakeMagazine cheers! Thought so.

[@jackdaniels4888]

Great review and idea . Love to see KTM 790R against KTM 950SE as same HP and weight and 12 years apart

[@BrakeMagazine]

Not the same weight, but that's what we're working on. The KTM 950 is about 20kg's heavier :)

[@jackdaniels4888]

@@BrakeMagazine 950se is 190 kg in my owners manual. I'm not talking about 950 adventure

[@jackdaniels4888]

950se has more suspension travel and ground clearance than the 790r and a much higher seat. hight. A smaller fuel tank. Of 14lts. The 790r seems to be the modern version of it!

[@tarandusmt8089]

Great idea for a series! I'm interested in BMW comparisons for the GS style bikes

[@leemski]

Great review. What's cool about the new bikes is that from year to year we are going to see lots of improvements - Honda brought back a legend, that became again an acclaimed and awesome machine. Old bikes are still fantastic too, have its place in riding to very remote places (like Africa) where the ability to repair on the fly is very important. If brands like Honda are serious about adventure/off-road bikes they'll keep the reliability and why not make it even better to ride the World with confidence.

[@juliendidisheim5630]

Superb images and editing

[@BrakeMagazine]

Thanks!

[@Phil-dg1yg]

Nice! 1150 gs vs 1250 .. for the price today, 1150 is a very good machine for everyday and for very long trip. Easy to fix , very confortable and still fast in Alps corners..

[@vww181]

Definitely !! But don't go for the 1150 but for the 1100 without ABS instead, I do own both of them and the 1100 feels "lighter" to ride without ABS, it's a difficult feeling... more "direct feedback" I would say.

[@2WheelsSometimes1]

71-75 H2 Vs. new H2 98 R1 vs 2019 R1 75 Goldwing vs. 2019 Goldwing If you folks can manage it... 99 MV Agusta F4 vs. 2018 MV Agusta F4 Looking forward to this series! Thanks for the great content.

[@bogdanbaubau]

Great video. Really like the concept.

[@bartderijck172]

I have both the old and new and this is a spot on review 👌

[@BrakeMagazine]

Thanks Bart!

[@girlinagale]

Always remember a frenchman gunning along the beach in Dakar, Senegal. 2004. Saw the new one at the Honda dealer this year, the cockpit is huge, like a space shuttle. Happy to have bought a little crf300L.

[@BrakeMagazine]

Love the 300L. The XR of our generation

[@flacoadventures1147]

R80 G/S - R100GS and new R1200GS

[@1996Takis1996]

Oh I have a treat for you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYLPZ56gp5aDndU

[@grayman999]

I came to the Africa Twin from an 18year old Budget GSX750F which was a lovely bike took it around the Uk 🇬🇧 in my 50’s and early 60’s but at 67 the Crf1000l Dct makes a fantastic road bike for me and has allowed me to continue enjoying my motorcycle riding something that old Honda wouldn’t do the new Honda it’s a real pleasure loved this comparison

[@8fot]

An old bike is not retro, it's vintage. Just saying.

[@trombonemert]

@000000 same here bro, cheers.

[@McCloudX13]

This was a great video! I really enjoyed this series and comparison. Thank you guys so much for making a quality series like this. I'm like addicted to KZbin and adventure bike stuff now that I bought my first adventure bike.

[@Lexie_nl]

Why not the manual twin against the old one? This is not a good comparison. Anyway, that's how I think.

[@jacobcurtis6849]

Same thoughts, the DCT gets unfair advantages in some places and disadvantages in others.

[@philippday9195]

I was just thinking this... STOP testing the DCT !!! please!!! it's the only thing every tester complains about. It's a fine option but takes time to learn/master... so don't test or compare with it. seems obvious

[@BrakeMagazine]

I'm pretty sure we didn't complain about the DCT, actually the opposite 😏 However, that's probably because that's the version Honda want to push. All our test bikes and manufacturer press fleet machines and that's the one Honda let us use. :) We'd have preffered not have DCT but in reality that's what Honda think is their best bike and for the end result of this test it didn't make a huge difference.

[@Lexie_nl]

@@BrakeMagazine , It's just a big difference between DCT and manual. You can't ignore that, in my eyes it's not a good comparison. Can't make anything else out of it. Success with testing in the future remains fun to watch👍

[@steeltube195]

I think if you´re going to do a "old vs new" you should get the most primitive and mechanical bike and put it against the more modern bike, that is the DCT. In all reviews, all testers like the DCT. I don´t know how that is possible, and probably, since I have a manual AT, I never will... but I don´t loose sleep over that anyway...

[@AlexdeLarge6655321]

Great video. I've only been riding properly for a couple of years, and have only ridden older bikes. My daily ride is an '85 XT350, complete with weeping fork seals, damping rods, tired shock and kickstart only. People laugh when it won't start first kick, or when I'm fiddling with the pilot air screw to smooth out the idle, but I think that retro world is all about finding sweet spots, in clutch play and throttle blipping and jetting and timing the preload bounce for that wheelie. But I haven't ridden anything modern to compare that too. So when I'm struggling up a pig-track and Roger says "My GS would get up here easily" as he whips along on his CRF, I tell myself its because the sweet spot on those came factory-fitted.

[@Vracktal]

Classic Vespa PX two stroke vs the modern twist and go four-stroke Vespa 125. CITY BATTLE

[@jonasboersch3]

I own a 1998 Kawasaki Tengai, it's the "adventure" variant of the original KLR 650. I love this bike and plan to do some longer trips with it. It would be really interesting to see this bike compared to the latest KLR 650 model. Greetings from Germany ✌

[@bolotiger]

i like to see the Yamaha xtz 660 tenere 1992-1998 Vs the 2019 T7

[@donnyo65]

I had an old Africa Twin years ago and loved it. Great to see your comparison with the new one and good to see it didn't disgrace itself. I have a GSA and would love to see a comparison with the older models.

[@qhalifqhalifah6182]

Suzuki Katana GSX1100S vs Suzuki Katana 2019/2020

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Don't forget the old bike has worn out suspension and components makes a huge difference. Having said that I am really considering the new Adventure sports - Manual gearbox vers.

[@RawTopShot]

Hoping to see Honda CB500f(94-02) versus the newer less powerful CB500f.( -CB500x's- ) Same bike name but totally different motor etc.

[@neilwiddison6529]

I have a cb500s 2000 model great bike 480000 miles and runs great.

[@leroyjones769]

That was one HELLUVA review. Can’t wait for the next one

[@BrakeMagazine]

Thanks!

[@DCCLourens]

Super Tenere 750 vs Super Tenere 1200.

[@johannes9509]

I have been watching Videos (Tests, Techtalks etc) on the new Honda for quite some time now. This is by far the best picture of it without actually sitting down on one of these and giving it a go! There are still a lot of classic Africa Twins on the market in Germany so there really is a decision to be made here. Thank you so much for making this Video. I will be thinking about you when I'm getting and riding mine.

[@RawTopShot]

Thinking about it... Would it be possible to compare old and new RALLYRAID kitted offerings of the CB500? (seeing as you're more off-road dualsport orientated) Just trying to think of an accessible all-round midweight and mid cc'd bike that can cope well with everyday 50 mile commuting but also be fun and capable on the days you want some green lane and offroad exploring. 😁

[@BrakeMagazine]

Probably not but we'll ask the question of Rally Raid.

[@bobraby9089]

My takeaway is that I need to get me and my old Africa Twin up to Wales and ride around with you guys(so you can show me the good offroad bits). Beautiful up there.

[@Cafeducati]

KTM 990 vs 1090/1190/790 PLEASE

[@dankfrenkvisser5977]

Would make more sense to take the original 640adventure than. And compare that to the newest 790

[@Cafeducati]

Dank Frenk Visser I can see that solid logic. KTM 640 vs 790. KTM 990/950 vs 1x90. I personally drink that sweet, nutritious orange 990 koolaid as she was, like the 640, based on a racing legend for dominating the Dakar Rally. 990 comparison first,... then 640. LOL 😉

[@IdealBike]

Very nice ideea you had by making this comparison! It was a very usefull video to make a better picture about how time and technology evolved. You should definitely continue with this sort of comparisons.

[@caramelzappa]

Not exaclty retro but check out the difference between a zero xu or another early model and the current fx

[@BrakeMagazine]

That's a whole different idea, especially with the Long Way Up Announcement!

[@OllieMoto]

Great video. I get all nostalgic when I see the old Africa Twins because that was the first bike that I ever sat pillion on as a child, and instantly fell in love with it when I got airborne off it over a humpback bridge. Really loving the look and reviews of the new bike, and especially keen to try a DCT. Perhaps for your next video get that new T7 against one of the old 80’s Ténérés?

[@ronanrogers4127]

BTW a better comparison would have been between the non-DCT and the old Africa Twin, that way you could have focused on the key areas of difference that apply not only to these two bikes, but to pretty much all of today’s bikes, and to 30 yr old bikes. The DCT only appears on one model and is outsold by regular transmission anyway.

[@michaelhayward7572]

Brilliant review. Both guys get their valuable experience across. Congrats. Me being a Luddite who insists on working on his own bikes, hates electronics, hates excess weight... you can see where this is going.... Best thing to come out in years, and i can't wait to see one, let alone ride one, is the Yamaha T7...

[@JohannesFleck]

D Suzuki vstrom old vs new please

[@mctourer5549]

I have a 2004 DL1000 and love it. My friend just bought a 2018 1000 and he love that one too. The new one is a bit lighter but they replaced some of the metal with plastic. The new one does not have the room for tool kit and such under the seat like the Gen1 does. Then it comes down to how much you want the antilock breaks and the electronics. But I agree I would like to see these guys do a comparison vid as well.

[@JohannesFleck]

@@mctourer5549 Nice summary thanks. I've got the 2007 DL 650 and love it! only thing that annoys me is the parking lights that come on a tiny click more to the left of the steering lock. Happened to me TWICE that when locking key slipped tiny bit to the left (lights on) and left me with an empty (=broken) battery.:-o

[@radu10101992]

One of the best bike related videos that I have seen. Cheers guys!

[@BrakeMagazine]

You're welcome!

[@elvisknievil4883]

Try the tdm 850 against anything. I have . you will be surprised.

[@jacob14163]

I think the OG Africa Twin is the best looking adv of all time. With the transalp coming back we need a video with that one.

[@sbsb4995]

The old one is more beautiful

[@GL0BETREKKER]

it's got more character for sure

[@sbsb4995]

@@GL0BETREKKER it can be modified to ride even better then the new one.

[@abster010]

This was a great comparison, my first dual purpose bika was Kawasaki Tengai 500cc (this bike was actually a KLR dowsised from 650cc to comply with imports rules in Mexico back in 1990), then a 30th anniversay GS1200 Adventure, then a Yamaha Tenere XTZ 660cc and right now a Honda Africa Twin CRF1000 DCT, so you made my day with this video and I agree with your comments, could you made another video comparing Teneres? My biggest complain with the 660 was the lack of power to maintain road speeds, but I feel like the new T7 could be the perfect dual purpose bike for real dual purpose riders, thank you guys.

[@paultheboxer]

Bmw r1100gs vs 1250,1200

[@yokoschroder314]

Really had my heart set on the Africa Twin back in the early 90s, where my friends rode already the Tenere and even the LC4. Still prefer that raw look of the 90s over the new one.

[@wildone2163]

what amazing technology in modenn bikes? LOL are you referring to these electronics BS nobody asked for? actually I would take any of old versions of Africa Twin or Super Tenere then the modern ones.

[@BrakeMagazine]

More so, the suspension and brakes. The ABS on some bikes is outstanding to the point you don't notice it and I'm definitely in for that!

[@oakstream6041]

Wouldn't mind seeing the comparison of the rd07. No major changes were made but 10 years makes a difference as well. My 95 year model has some upgraded suspension and some amazing 70/30 tires and there is nothing it cant handle. Still would love to get the new one but with a manual gearbox. 😎👌🏻

[@hadrienlf23]

Multiple things to take into consideration. Most RD04 or RD03 ( the 88 650 ) are Honda meaning they are so reliable very few people do the correct prescriptive maintenance. I drove a few different one and some can be night and day between models. My RD03 is brand spanking new and doesn't feel nowhere near as 90% of other bikes hope you tried one that was fresh too. For cruising mine is the 650 not even the 750 and will sit all day under the sun or rain at 75mph no problem at all. As for the new crf1000, the act will always feel vague and so is this model with the throttle by wire. Try a 2016-17 manual with a proper cable throttle, it is night and day.

[@adeyeminniss]

love the content!! keep it coming head to head with modern adv bikes from multiple manufactures.

[@bradstoybox8811]

Great program guys! How about a comparison between the 1st through 8th generation Honda VFR's?

[@therealxentaurus]

Old vs New is a great idea! BMW R1100GS vs R1250GS please!!!

[@vww181]

oh yes, please please please please please !!!!!