Retro Vs Modern Pinarello Pro Bikes | Miguel Indurain Vs Egan Bernal

[@gcntech]

Which bike would you rather ride? Which bikes would you like us to compare next?

[@brycezoeller]

I would rather ride the new bike Bro, but I would LOVE to own both bikes! JPow is awesome Bros!

[@adjusted-bunny]

I would ride the retro bike. Compare the brand X (wiggle bike) to a BMC Teammachine.

[@raine5787]

Chris froome and greg lemond

[@ricksnyder6318]

I would like to see the LeMond's 1986 carbon Tour winning bike compared to today's TDF bikes.

[@mahiru20ten]

To continue the theme of Italian brands, let's go with Colnago next.

[@steffenandersensahl9443]

Indurain was a true champ. I was watching a lot of bike racing back then, and he was just another level above everybody else in his prime. A true class act and a lot of fun to watch.

[@6ft8incyclist]

WOW Great video... I have and still ride my 1980 Pinarello Montello campy super record . In my younger days I use to break spokes chains and a couple campy 180 drive side crank arms... I still love this bike, with the Campy SR Groupo it still runs and shifts like it is brand new..

[@jffydavy5509]

I would take the steel frame. A steel Frame will still be usable by my grand children who aren't here yet. The Campy components would be on my bike because it just lasts longer in use than other brands and Campy's style just looks better.

[@joeyslats31]

I love all the unique mods on The Big Mig's bike, plus those cranks are sick. And I have a steel Pinarello myself, so I'm biased.

[@e3dave744]

It would put a smile on my face riding any of those bikes, it would be ingesting to see a tour ridden on steel bikes now.

[@teunluijbregts2533]

Excellent video -- and a good comparison 👍👍 And to answer your question: Miguel Indurain's bike. My favorite handsdown 😍🔥

[@johnandrews3568]

JPow... just a slight correction, mate. Big Mig's bike was equipped with Campagnolo Record 8 speed, as you stated. However, the brakes on that bike are dual pivot brakes with a single bolt mount (ie. not direct mount). Dual pivot came out in the early 90s and these brakes replaced the last generation Deltas. FWIW I also have a custom made mid 90s Pegoretti custom built (yes, for me) Pinarello that I've had since new. While I love my carbon bikes... I take the old steel girl out a few times a year and while heavy by comparison, she's a sweet, sweet ride. I raced it on a straight block too... no one runs a straight block these days (and certainly not 8 speed). Great video!

[@DickKnorr]

I've got an early 2000's Pegoretti (Radius 2.0) and a modern Pinarello. I ride the Pegoretti everytime and the Pinarello sits on my trainer for rainy days.

[@davidross8233]

The old bikes are so much more beautiful. The disposable plastic bikes of today aren’t aesthetically pleasing in my opinion. I remember pouring over cycling magazines as a younger man and falling in love with the bikes. Now I could care less what the pros ride. I saw a Pegoretti in a neighbor’s garage a few years ago and was staggered by the beauty of it.

[@bimbobaggypants4820]

I love the old Colnago master Olympic, the lugs and paintjobs were out of this world.

[@Century_Rider]

Retro. Indurain's bike is a work of art. Not light, not aerodynamic, but classic. You can't say that about Bernal's bike. Superbikes are important on race day, but all that tech doesn't mean as much to riders who don't race.

[@FFSDenny]

I would choose the steel frame bike. When modern frames and components are breaking down, steel and old school Campy are breaking in.

[@johnandrews3568]

Whenever I ride my Pegoretti Pinarello and look down and see that shiny Record crank rotating, it makes me smile.

[@FFSDenny]

@@johnandrews3568 I'm thinking that I need to build myself an Italian steed.

[@jimmyzbike]

My go to is my pinarello sestriere. I’ve done a few upgrades through the years. But I’ll pass most on the downhills! So their only chance is to beat me on the uphills. Love the video. Steel is real.

[@Lemond75]

One of the pictures in the intro is actually Miguel’s brother Prudencio ( the one with the Rudy Project hairnet helmet, with the Refin rider on his right shoulder).

[@cdofm]

I would never be able to touch the pedals on Miguel Indurains bike. I have always wondered how fast he would have been on a modern bike. Big Mig is my cycling hero and idol.

[@treygray2817]

Not much faster. Technological advancements are overstated, particularly in mostly flat TTs and road races. The most noticeable improvements would be in mountain stages due to the weight differences. Climbing bikes were 18-20 pounds for a rider of Indurain's size in the early to mid-90s.

[@essjayaitch]

There is one of Indurain's bikes on display in the sports museum in Barcelona

[@az149keyjoecoil4]

Steel bike is a work of art, the carbon one is work of technology.The only disadvantage of steel is weight🚴🥂

[@keiyumamiya8920]

And aerodynamics

[@hateferd]

And stiffness

[@HMSITH]

Modern steel frames with modern components are pretty lite now, search for yasujiro bikes made with tange tubes, the climbing model weight 5.42 kg, amazing for a steel frame

[@prestachuck2867]

HMSITH Also the R-33 from Waterford Precision Cycles. Super lightweight and made-to-measure. Still not aerodynamic, but that really only matters if you’re being paid to race. It’s funny how many club riders with aerobikes I drop regularly. And I’m an old man.

[@esotericist]

i ride a pinarello galileo. Aluminium frame with carbon back stay and forks. It is like riding on a magic carpet.

[@GregLanz]

I have one as well, with a mix of Campy Centaur and Record componentry. It just rides so well

[@julmeissonnier]

I bought one for about $250 with a Veloce 9 speed groupset, a lot of bike for the money...

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

Do you still have it? Any issues?

[@GregLanz]

I'd take Indurain's any day of the week. So many new bikes are so generic and come out of the same factories as frames you can get from aliexpress for a couple hundred $. Plus it's got Campagnolo

[@DickKnorr]

@Kleiner Helfer You should try riding a campy bike. It won't change your life, but campy mechanical grupos feel better when shifting, are more comfortable, and shift cleaner. I have campy record 10 sp on a 16 year old bike and it still shifts better than modern shimano mechanical groupsets. The thumb lever is hard to give up once you have it.

[@Aditya-fv9xv]

Loving these videos! Keep them coming ❤

[@danmc7815]

Comparing these bikes is difficult. They are from completely different eras. I'd sooner compare cars that raced in the 1950s to today's cars, than do this. However, Indurain was using clipless pedals and integrated brakehoods & shifters, which were both new within the prior 10 years.

[@treygray2817]

Steel in '95... The last steel bike to win the Tour was '94; Indurain rode an alloy bike to victory in '95... Perhaps this is a spare steel bike? Or one he rode at another race?

[@stevec6232]

Wasn't one of his bikes magnesium?

[@jedisdad2265]

Steel has many alloys. The chemistry of the steel is a science of its own.

[@treygray2817]

Apparently his ITT bike was steel in '95; road race was alloy.

[@humbertoleandro896]

Jeremy does an excellent job presenting these type of videos... Jeremy I would love to see you doing a comparison like that between CX bikes... maybe even use two of your own bikes, the first bike you raced as a pro compared to the last one... Keep up the great work.

[@markbooth6745]

Big Migs bike for me , classic.😃👍

[@jimmyjazz60]

I read that Mig's rhr was 34. His max 182. He could ride at 160 for as long as you wanted and 2 minutes after stopping his rhr would drop to 60.

[@brianbuday8639]

jimmyjazz60 He had a massive VO2 max as well something like 88 amazing rider very cool.👍

[@humstrumbangtwang]

Only one of these has soul. You know which it is.

[@didisenft]

In 1995 Indurain used the ahead stem, or maybe only in some stages, but still

[@umeko204]

Soldering/wire wrapping spokes goes back to at least the 1890s.

[@unklestu]

Looking for an Italian road bike with a £4k budget. Was looking at the Bianchi Oltre XR3. Anyone else have any suggestions?

[@johnandrews3568]

Solid bike... can't go wrong and celeste is best!

[@ivarbrouwer197]

I wonder if they strengthened the frame specifically for Indurain: for riders like Greipel they enforced the frame from the inside.

[@prestachuck2867]

Ivar Brouwer custom builders then and today often mix and match custom gauges of tubing to suit the rider.

[@DerFilmgucker]

I think they kept it light. But one teammate (the brother at times) had to ride an identical bike just in case something happened.

[@sheilastallard]

Retro

[@rogerwatt3154]

I'd have Big Mig's bike any day of the week . . . both for visual reasons and investment value!

[@molfar9049]

were pinarellos as expensive back then as today?

[@6ft8incyclist]

Yes.

[@johnandrews3568]

Back in the mid 90s Pinarello were almost an up and coming brand IMO. I started on team Pinarello bikes in '83 and had Pegoretti build me a race bike in the mid 90s. Expensive? All bikes back then were in the same ballpark, much as they are today. But that ballpark was fairly affordable (complete Top bike for under $4000 then) whereas now, you're looking at what, $20,000 for a top frame and top of the line gruppo and wheel set.

[@bandolerox137]

Miguel was the king of Watts.....best rider ever!!!

[@indobleh]

5:34 little triangles !

[@augustoferreira3647]

You guys went to far back, why not compare a 2000/2001 Prince SL , still my favorite bike! That’s 20 years difference, Campy Record, and I think would not be very far behind the new Dogma.

[@mrvwbug4423]

They did this comparison because they wanted to compare Indurain to Bernal.

[@nelsonlopez879]

Nice video, i wonder who is faster

[@JackY-pu5nh]

Just wondering if UCI came out of a rule to bring steel bikes back in the tour, what kind of tubing would the sponsors choose these days?

[@reginaldscot165]

Made in China over priced plastic vs made in Italy passion and class.

[@happydays8171]

Actually Sarto makes Pinerello race bikes. They don't trust their Chinese friends when it counts

[@joaquinberna1784]

Made in spain

[@johnmcpartland2661]

Would love to see Indurain on a modern bike.

[@madmonkeycycling9098]

he's still a pinarello ambassador and rides the latest pinarello's at various granfondo's.

[@johnmcpartland2661]

Good point, although I meant in his prime :)

[@treygray2817]

@@johnmcpartland2661 He wouldn't be much faster.

[@happydays8171]

@@madmonkeycycling9098 2015 Las Vegas fondo, he finished 2nd or 3rd. There was a huge wreck that took out 20 lead riders, but very good for his age. They said his legs are still enormous.

[@DerFilmgucker]

10.2 Kg for his Banesto bike. It would have been 7-8 pounds less today. He won most of his Tours by a few minutes, so that could have helped him a lot. The smaller climbers like Pantani already rode much lighter bikes. GIve them all "crabon" stuff, and Indurain's bike would have dropped the most weight towards the UCI limit. Indurain was not the strongest up the mountains. Interesting thought.

[@jirkaoja267]

Bernal run lightweight meilenstein wheels in mountains.

[@slighter]

They had those back in the days?

[@davidvicente2954]

At 0.16, I recognized Prudencio Indurain (and not Miguel). As a proof: Miguel never wore some Oakleys.

[@DerFilmgucker]

Makes sense. I believe the brother had to ride the exact same (setup) bike as a spare for Miguel.

[@Servicevelo]

Actually, Banesto didn't make them, they were made by Pegoretti. Gorgeous.

[@prestachuck2867]

Steve Bretnall He said that in the video. You have to actually watch the video.

[@essjayaitch]

Of course Banesto didn't make them, Banesto is a bank! 😉 Actually, it was very common for pros to have their frames built by their favourite frame builder and then re-badged and painted in team colours. It still goes on today to a certain extent with some components

[@treygray2817]

@@essjayaitch Far less common nowadays with cookie-cutter indistinguishable carbon frames.

[@NewEnglandDirtRoadie]

modern-day production carbon bicycles are the stupidest, most embarrassingly cringey looking things imaginable. zero class, zero style

[@happydays8171]

I don't know, I love my carbon, its quiet swoosh as I pass riders on steel frames that sound like 100 scissors snipping as they ride.

[@kentonhammer4281]

@@happydays8171I have both , carbon and steel bikes. The steel bike are as quiet as can be. The carbon bike amplifies everything. I prefer quiet.

[@mister_ray]

Isn't it interesting Indurain is a cycling hero who won TDF 5 years in a row. OTOH Armstrong who followed up with wins in TDF 7 years in a row is a failed person who keeps reinventing "His truth".

[@winstoncat6785]

One got caught, the other got let off scot free....that'S all there is to it.

[@happydays8171]

Lance bought $100k of Lyft when it was a penny stock. When it grossed 35mill in value he paid off all his sponsors lawsuits and federal fines and court costs. Think of him as you will, his The Move is the most watched TDF KZbin Channel.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Lance got caught, we'll probably never know if big Mig was doping or not. Lance was also not only doping himself, he was distributing roids and other "performance enhancers" to other athletes.

[@phililpb]

Big Mig is a legend

[@chazpilks]

Retro still look nice

[@julmeissonnier]

Last year I sold a pair of the 1994 8 speed Campagnolo Record Ergo shifters on Ebay for more than they cost new in 1994... 25 years old and still working like clockwork, just put new cables and ride on for another decade... In 2045, the Di2 shifters and derailleurs will long be buried in a garbage dump somewhere (no batteries, no step motor, no software support)...

[@walshman70]

Big Mig's steel beauty all day long!

[@fredw3817]

The steel is sooooo classy (if it were in my size...hahahah). Wonder how Conor would do with those 180 cranks?

[@mrvwbug4423]

I believe Conor runs 180s on his Pinarello. He did a bike check video recently on his very unique F12 with the crazy long headtube.

[@marty197666]

So Indurain is a hero, during the time the peloton was at its most medicated and he was a client of Conconi? Anyone that saw the Luxembourg TT in 92 knew what was up. I feel bad for LeMond. Oh and I Frickin love those equipe pedals, I’d ditch my spd sl in an instant for them!

[@DaveCM]

I remember watching him in a TT and he had a front flat. He got a change and continued. He won the TT after having a flat! Back then I thought he was just a demigod on a bicycle. Now I know there was more to it than that. Which is sad to me. I am his same height and very similar build, so he was a hero to me.

[@marty197666]

@David Mansfield Yeah it’s a real shame. The way he won was just so dominant

[@solanogu]

What would Indurain have done with one of those modern bikes in his time or any other cyclist? Would a modern cyclist be able to even finish a stage with Indurain's bike 53/39 -11/23 8spd?

[@adjusted-bunny]

Tony Rominger took the shit out Indurain! 1 hour record!

[@paulhowell7103]

yeah because he took a shit load of dope to beat another doper !!!!

[@v-lab8797]

I wonder which bike is worth more today?

[@gcntech]

Great question!

[@itaybruck9671]

Indurain is the best rider of all time! Miss him at the modern pelleton...

doper

[@jessicagreen4150]

“I now know he’s a beast”

[@billmartinez2253]

Why do you think egans team has not gone with disc yet when most of pro team have , is because of weight the f12 disc is around 17lb

[@happydays8171]

Yes, in my humble opinion. Peter Sagan went to disc last year, what did he win? One stage of the Tour.

[@timdodd3897]

I'll stick with steel. Compare a Pinarello Montello with full chrome. I have a pic of Big Mig on one in '90.

[@Biking360]

JP could talk about the evolution of jam jars and I'd be fascinated. I'd probably also go out and start my own collection.

[@tunichtgut5285]

Soldering and tieing spokes was very common those days - not an invention of Indurain's bike technican. The effectifity is questionable. But at that time belief and not engineering ruled.

[@crypto_que]

EIGHT SPEED = mind blown

[@ntphong999]

Indurain doping methods were retro as well

[@rowdml]

Those are dual pivot brakes on Mig's bike.

[@prestachuck2867]

Campagnolo Differential Brakes. Dual pivot front with single pivot rear brake. It was Campagnolo’s vision of anti-lock.

[@clintnieves]

JPow 🤟🏻

[@Pasdechevredreamer]

I can tell categorically that I will not challenging Mr I to any form of race!!! I think the next bike for me will be titanium.

[@gcntech]

Nice!

[@winstoncat6785]

500W bottom to top, on the last climb of the day. That's how to do it. In the 1990's at least. These modern pros have no idea at all, do they? All their nonsense about marginal gains, and starving themselves and their 7kg bikes. Why bother with marginal gains, when hoovering down industrial quantities of "something you might get from a Spanish gynaecologist" can give you wings? Almost literally....and imagine talking openly and honestly about "training methods". Bah! The path of the tru pro is "omerta". Don't they know anything these days?!

[@mrvwbug4423]

I don't think the UCI wants to go any further down that rabbit hole with the damage the Lance Armstrong debacle did to the sport. The current top cyclists may be the fastest riders ever that can actually pass a drug test. We think of a lot of these great riders from the past as some kind of cycling gods, but they were probably on more roids than an East German weightlifter.

[@9034833838]

so you're telling me Bernal's easiest gear for the whole TdF was 42-30? Jesus fucking christ.

[@U20101954]

I”ll take the 95 pinarello. The F12? Thanks but no thanks.

[@chrishophoto]

Indurain’s brakes are dual pivot, not single. That should be obvious.

[@santilol]

🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴

[@sd3457]

I have nothing against Shimano - it's on all my fishing rods.

[@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158]

Sorry to put a dampner on Indurain's legacy but I would put a big Asterix next to his name and victories, he was smart enough to say very little (even today) and quietly go about his business in an unassuming manner, only he knows at the magical age of 27 (erhmm Chris/Lance) how he won those races, late bloomer...I guess so.

[@YingMa-lt7to]

a chinese made bike with an italian price tag. the most overrated and overpriced brand in the world. globalisation isn't always good, is it?

[@operator1717]

You wouldn’t want to ride the campy parts. Well past it now and some weren’t great to begin with, delta brakes for example. I’ve had a C record aero seat post snap on me whilst riding, which could have been nasty and quite expensive.

[@ralphc1405]

Iv'e had a C record "aero" seat post on my steel Colnago right at the limit lines never had any problems for 25 years. Of course at 48yo I know the benefits of limiting my intake of fried foods, ice cream, chips, and crisps. They do have a weight limit you know???

[@operator1717]

@@ralphc1405 are you insinuating I'm overweight or what?

[@urf808]

He had a bigger heart than normal. Bigger heart mean easier time to push harder than normal heart sizes. Geez. Not a real test of human ability when you have an advantage.

[@johnandrews3568]

all endurance athletes have larger hearts than non-athletic people. And his heart was a big bigger because of his physical size. Personally I'm 198cm and have been an elite racer for decades in age groups... my heart is huge... because of these factors. My cardiologist confirms this.

[@GregLanz]

@@johnandrews3568 it's actually a question in one of the Trivial Pursuit games my mom has about TdF racers, pretty common for elite cyclist, cross country skiers etc

[@jackcosgrove1017]

Do trek next

[@Hella-ob8fz]

Jermey is one mispronunciation away from speaking his own language.

[@SkeetSystem]

HAHA. I can also do 5 watts per kg. c:

[@LarsRR]

If that is for an hour, that is very good. The point is, that this is 14 years after he retired, so you might expect that MI‚s FTP was between 6.5 and 7W/kg in his best days.

[@DerFilmgucker]

That is strong. I calculated something like 3 via Strava. BTW, 6-6.2 is considered possible. Anything like sustained 6.5-7 W/Kg hints at some sort of illegal help.

[@adjusted-bunny]

Second!

[@adjusted-bunny]

First!

[@supergumbie7]

damn you

[@adjusted-bunny]

Third!

[@Strange_Brew]

Greg Lamond was a much better cyclist

doper

[@guerreroymendoza]

Worst presenter in GCN history, INDURÁIN not INDOORAYNG! Time to get rid of him GCN. Not the first time he messes up people's names.

[@supergumbie7]

FIRST!

[@winstoncat6785]

Jeremy, a week ago you said that if you forget the past you don't learn from it, in reply to my criticism of your Pantani hagiography. This is frankly worse. Do you want to actually do something to help cycling? Talk about Steve Bauer's retro bike. Here's a video documentary full of them, kzbin.info/www/bejne/e37dZH-eht13Zrs And look. There's Steve Bauer, in 1991, convinced he was "ill". He was "ill" in so far as he wasn't at 60% hematocrit, like all the rest of the goons. He's one of those cyclists whose entire career was blocked and destroyed by those clowns. Those clowns were not funny. They were evil. They need confronting. Cycling needs one thing and one thing only. Absolute truth and exposing the lies, including the historical ones. Get to work. Otherwise you're disgracing Steve, Greg Lemond, and the real journalists out there, like Paul Kimmage. Theirs' is the side of history you want to be on. Nowhere else.

[@winstoncat6785]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Criquielion Bauer had it really rough. He had a run in with the above mentioned, completely unrepentant, über-clown. Good riddance to that bad rubbish.

[@treygray2817]

I don't believe Lemond used EPO but I think he used something...

[@treygray2817]

And let's be honest; GCN is a for profit company. It's more profitable to feature marquee riders who doped than clean pack fodder few have heard of for morality reasons.

[@happydays8171]

@@treygray2817 He used carbon fiber, bought new carbon fiber bikes for his team. Lightweight 700x19 tires until he wiped out on them 1986 TDF time trial when they lost grip, then he went wider. Eddie Mercxx would look for the riders with the lightest tires, those he would watch out for.

[@treygray2817]

@@happydays8171 Yea, I think he also used PEDs

[@ОлегСегида-ы9э]

Насколько же ретровелы изящнее и душевнее на вид, современный смотрится как гусеничный трактор.