RetroTINK-2X Pro & Koryuu - The best composite & S-video Options? :: MLiG Ad-Lib / MY LIFE IN GAMING

[@DrPeperoni]

0:00 : Sonic Adventure (DC) 0:19 : F-Zero X (N64) 0:23 : Waverave 64 (N64)(In the background) 0:30 : Contra (NES) 0:33 : Genie Hero Wataru (魔神英雄伝ワタル) (PC Engine) 0:48 : Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon (N64)(Bottom left), Super Puzzle Fighter II (Top right), Super Mario All Stars (SNES)(Bottom right) 1:23 : Alisia Dragoon (GENESIS) 1:35 : IN THE HUNT (PS1) 1:59 : Monster in My Pocket (NES) 2:15 : Starfox 64 (N64) 2:23 : Super Adventure Island (SNES) 2:42 : Waverave 64 (N64) 2:49 : Super Star Wars (Triology)(SNES) 2:54 : Contra: Hard Corps 3:33 : Journey to Silius (NES) 3:36 : Ninja Spirit (TurboGrafx-16) 3:51 : Tales of Symphonia (PS2/GC) 3:58 : Timesplitters 2 (PS2) 4:11 : Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring (PS1) 4:42 : Final Fantasy Origins (PS1) 5:10 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES) 5:36 : Grind Stormer (Arcade)(Unsure, it looks very similar, but a few things are off) 5:45 : Puzzle Fighter 2 (PS1) 5:52 : Kid Niki: Radical Ninja (NES) 6:22 : Gaiares (GENESIS) 7:06 : Parasol Stars: The Story of Bubble Bobble III (パラソルスター) (PC Engine) 7:25 : El Viento (GENESIS) 7:35 : Legend of Dragoon (PS1) 7:44 : Sonic The Hedgehog (GENESIS) 7:51 : Blaster Master (NES) 8:05 : Shining Force (1 or 2)(GENESIS) 8:15 : Nights into Dreams (Dreamcast) 8:19 : F-Zero X (N64) 8:30 : Bonk's Adventure (GENESIS) 8:41 : Darkwing Duck (NES) 8:53 : Psycho Fox (Master System) 9:06 : The Legend of Zelda: Ocorina of Time (N64) 9:37 : (Same as 9:06) 10:10 : Gauntlet Legends (N64) 10:08 : Super Star Soldier (TurboGrafx-16) 10:22 : Super Mario Bros 3 (NES) 10:50 : Clash at Demonhead (NES) 11:33 : Saga Frontier (PS1) 11:56 : Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (SNES) 12:06 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk6cm4/snes199x_snes_rpg/ 12:20 : Aladdin (SNES) 12:37 : Sin And Punishment (N64) 12:54 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1) 13:28 : F-Zero (SNES) 13:52 : Felix the Cat (NES) 14:23 : Metroid Prime (GameCube) 14:51 : Soul Calibur 2 (GC,PS2,XBOX) 15:46 : Einhänder (PS1) 15:58 : Super Monkey Ball (Gamecube) 16:20 : Dragon Quest VIII - Journey of the Cursed King (PS2) 16:41 : Illbleed (DreamCast) 17:08 : Jet Force Gemini (N64) 17:30 : Wario's Woods (NES) 17:51 : Ristar (GENESIS) 18:02 : Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu (NES) 18:11 : Lester the Unlikely (SNES) 18:20 : Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon (PS1) 19:00 : MediEvil (PS1) 19:46 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk726v/ps1199x_ps1_platformer/ 20:04 : The Battle of Olympus (NES) 20:10 : Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin (GENESIS) 20:15 : Cruis'n Exotica (N64) 20:23 : Resident Evil 1 Remake (GameCube) 20:56 : Rastan (Master System) 21:02 : Katamari Damacy (PS2) 21:22 : Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (NES) 21:29 : Comix Zone (GENESIS) 21:34 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES) 21:50 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1) Credit goes to: Me (DWD) Special thanks goes to these Reddit users from r/tipofmyjoystick u/MagicalHopStep u/Holt12345 u/Delition u/SuperD00perGuyd00d u/WeepingIWillow u/thenerfviking PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES!

[@RallyLancer95]

Nights into Dreams is a Saturn game not Dreamcast

[@twizz420]

Wave Race 64 not Waverave, and *Ocarina* of Time, not Ocorina

[@CowVersion9.03]

5:36 is DonPachi on the PS1

[@jonathanhanson-casey1743]

i wish u guys would start putting the game name in the bottom of the frame when u show a game would be awsome thankxz for the vids guys

[@badreality2]

Don't you like the mystery?

[@louis1443]

badreality2 no

[@TheKonamiMan]

That's a great idea

[@ValkyrieTiara]

One game in particular that they've used a lot over the years is Drill Dozer on the GBA. I always thought it looked so good and so fun and it took me forever to find the name! I do like that at the very least they put basic music credits at the end of the video, but footage credits in a top or bottom corner or at the end sorted by console would also be amazing.

[@TroutButter]

Yeah, this would help in identifying a game we may not be familiar with that looks good.

[@brianwagner8424]

I can shed some light on the 7.5 IRE stuff and why it all looks dark on your screens! IRE is a measurement of brightness in an analog video signal. The brighter the color, the higher the IRE. In NTSC-M, which is the type of NTSC we use in the states, we define 100 IRE as being pure white, and 7.5 IRE as being pure black. NTSC-J, which is the type of NTSC used in Japan, also uses 100 IRE for pure white, but they use 0 IRE for pure black. This means that Japanese NTSC video has slightly better dynamic range than elsewhere in the world. However, this means that if you connect an NTSC-M device (Say a U.S. NES) to an NTSC-J monitor, your picture will look washed out, as nothing will be actually black. The 7.5 IRE setting seems to be darkening the picture to account for that. How good the Koryuu is at that conversion is unknown to me. If you read online about using Japanese electronics on US TVs (or the other way around), lots of people just say to change the brightness or contrast, and that might be all the Koryuu is doing; I don't know. However, changing brightness and contrast isn't a proper solution. NTSC-M and NTSC-J both use 100 IRE as white, and changing the contrast or brightness to the whole image would fix the blacks, but clip the whites (as they would jump up to 107.5 IRE, which is no good). To properly convert the signal, you'd need to change the brightness exponentially; the most in the shadows, some in the mid tones, a tiny bit in the highlights, and not at all at pure white. If the Koryuu is doing that proper conversion, that's a very slick trick! However, since you are using the Koryuu with NTSC-M monitors, when that setting is on, it's sending an overly darkened signal, resulting in the bad picture you saw. This whole thing is made much more complicated by the fact that modern digital monitors, even those in the states, can go darker than 7.5 IRE, and brighter than 100 IRE. Brightness on a digital display isn't measured in IRE, but rather on a scale of 0-255 (at least for 8 bit monitors). 0 being the darkest the TV can go and 255 being full brightness. On a properly calibrated digital display, 7.5 IRE is equivalent to 16, and 100 IRE is equivalent 235. However, PCs can output from 0-255. This is why modern TVs almost always have a setting for "Limited range" and "full range". Some TVs call this "Limited and enhanced" or "Standard and PC" or something along those lines. When set to Limited, the TV treats everything below 16 (remember, that's equivalent to 7.5 IRE) as pure black, resulting in a muddy image if your signal contains details below that threshold. With your Koryuu + OSSC setup, you could probably set that 7.5 IRE setting on, set the OSSC to full range, and set your TV to full range, and those details would be restored in the picture, although it would still be improperly dark. TLDR: The 7.5 IRE setting on the Koryuu is for playing American video games on a Japanese monitor. Source: I own an audio-video preservation and archiving company.

[@Izquierda]

It's also worth adding that professional monitors like the PVMs MLIG uses have menu settings to select either 0 or 7.5 IRE for video/composite and YC inputs. This option is likely not available in most consumer CRTs though.

[@rickylovesyou]

Jesus Brian, use more paragraphs. That was a slog to get through on a phone screen. Thanks for the info though.

[@Knightmessenger]

Tell me more about your company.

[@jamiegwhite30]

Better production quality than most TV shows these days! Good looks boys!

[@metfan4l]

You guys deserve way more subscribers.

[@masterlee1988]

Yeah, their content is great and well informative.

[@seraph4581]

YES a dedicated Composite/S-video video, thanks!

[@MrMario2011]

A lot of great information to know here! I've thought of getting the RetroTINK-2X from time to time, but never really took the plunge. I actually didn't know it couldn't handle 480p input, unfortunately.

[@hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538]

the new one can

[@harmleyten4]

@@hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538 Which one is the new one?

[@flashuser777]

@@harmleyten4 The 2X-Multiformat

[@harmleyten4]

@@flashuser777 yep i have it now, it works great

[@Kaceydotme]

Very excited for my 2X-Pro to come in. It might not be the endgame of quality video, but it's a hell of a lot better than the $30 all-in-one cables or, god forbid, raw composite/s-video. Thanks for the video guys!

[@RetroAli]

Super excited to see your takes on the new Retrotink, been thinking of getting it.

[@nearvanaman]

No wonder I can't find an affordable PVM when they're all in your house.

[@zdp-189]

I have my OSSC which I love for all my retro RGB mods I made or native RGB consoles and Dreamcast VGA, along with my Marantz SR5010 which is for sound, but also like how it handles and de interlaces 480i PS2 signals (along with newer component and HDMI things- OG Xbox/Wii and newer), but then there's the odd duck....my poor little Panasonic 3DO (first model). The best it has is S-video output...so for a while I was screwed until I found out about the Retro Tink 2X. It really does help round out that area (and also use it for composite Intellivsion/Atari 2600 mods I installed), thanks a ton Mike Chi!

[@retrogamereffect]

Congratulations to the content of the channel, all the production of the video and the quality of the soundtrack leave me for hours watching, sorry my english i'm Brazilian and i'm here every day thanks.

[@Cetega]

After watching your original video on the RetroTINK 2x several times and never quite making up my mind, I finally bought the Pro version about a month ago. I was already happy with it for composite use, but today the generic S-video cables I ordered just arrived, and I am shocked at what a difference they make on the SNES. Never expected unmodded original hardware to look this good on my TV! Now I just wish my NES had S-video output, heh.

[@TheSocialGamer]

I still love the quality I get from my original Tink2X Classic. I get great quality when using in combination with the RetroTink's RGB2COMP transcoder. Really clean and sharp.

[@nerdyneedsalife8315]

There aren't enough videos talking about that great transcoder. I love mine to bits with my Trinitron. The Genesis looks so good.

[@RetroTechUSA]

I recognize that PVM! Great stuff

[@masterjeff3246]

The people who disliked are rf fanboys.

[@ScaryPurpleAmpersand]

Thanks for opening my eyes to the Koryu. I have a small trinitron that has a component input but no s-video for some reason, and now I can at least consider hooking my n64 into it.

[@misterkeebler]

FWIW, I just received the Retro Access snes/n64 S-video cable yesterday, and the cabling feels very durable and the signal looks very nice and did not have noticeable noise from what I saw. It is super annoying to order because the person only takes enough orders for the week and seems to "sell out" within minutes of opening orders up on sunday mornings, but it was worth it for the wait imo.

[@joe9592]

Also received mine yesterday. Amazing cable no audio buzz and great picture

[@PixelPhoenix]

Considering it's a store run by two people as far as I know, they get slammed with orders. They have a lot of requests to fulfill, and that doesn't include other obligations they may or may not have during the week. Their stuff is in high demand, and unfortunately they have to limit their orders. At least their store is open for an hour now, instead of five minutes. The quality is top notch though. I have a SNES cable I've been using from them, and ordered a Saturn and PS1 cable last week after seeing the results. They definitely know what they're doing.

[@ShaunsShitposts]

What's that chiptuney music that plays 0:20 or so? When it cuts to F-Zero X on the PVM

[@gamerstranded2705]

I can vouch for the reto-tink 2x pro. Got one at release and it’s a great little piece of hardware!

[@TechWithSean]

12:29 the official SNES/SFC s-video cables run like $20+ on eBay, but they are worth it.

[@philosophicalharmonics3470]

I'm just getting around to this video. I have to say, your mini presentation has cleaned up a lot since you guys started it. Love the more smooth extemporaneous delivery.

[@Reluctant_Hero]

Heck yeah, a new MLiG to watch when the beer virus has cancelled my kid’s opening day for softball. Don’t know whether to be stoked or be bummed.

[@healerlfg7769]

Note on S-video cable makers: Insurrection Industries is producing their own S-Video cables (with their new line of SCART cables)

[@segajcharrua]

Thank you for the perfect timing of posting this.

[@Crenahs]

I am always so excited for each new video you guy s post!

[@RickyPonPon]

Man, I've been waiting for this video! I was already really considering the RetroTink 2x when I first saw your guys' video covering it awhile ago, but as soon as I saw that the RetroTink 2x Pro was announced, I was really excited! And after seeing this video, I do think I'm going to get a RetroTink 2x Pro both for myself as well as for my friend just because he streams quite a bit. Also just to give him something nicer than a generic composite to HDMI adapter, but I am excited to give him one since at one point he said he did want to stream Super Contra with me! I'm also considering getting RetroTink's 2x SCART just to dip my toes a bit into RGB! It also helps that I'm starting to find cables for RGB output that aren't all that expensive either! Great video and I'm excited for more Analogue Frontier as well as more 200 series!

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] These devices are great for getting your feet wet with this stuff. Be warned about super cheap RGB cables though! They're usually not very well made and can have visual artifacts and audio buzz. I mean, a $10 SCART might get you started, but if you're unhappy with it and end up buying a $30 cable, you've spent $40 when you could've just spent $30 to begin with.

[@RickyPonPon]

@@mylifeingaming I am aware of things like that, but I was referring to insurrection industry's Scart cables as well as RetroAccess cables in particular.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] OK good! That's the right thing to do!

[@TechWithSean]

I use an SD CRT, but the Retrotink looks interesting if you only have an HDTV or monitor. I’d get the Pro for the scanlines.

[@masterlee1988]

True, and Retrotink is also great for those who use capture cards(like me).

[@Snivy102]

11:35 Is this showing that composite and s-video straight to a CRT looks better than composite and s-video to the Koryuu and then out via component into a CRT???

[@AgentBSoD]

Nice video! Wanted to mention some things talked about here. 1) I can confirm the N64 S-video cable from Retro Access is great quality. I own one and the picture is super clean. I also have one of those combo composite & s-video cables for it (says it's for the Gamecube and N64) and it's garbage. It's actually sending the composite signal through the s-video plug! You get a comic book effect of alternating pixels being solid black. 2) At least in the case of the RetroTINK-2X Classic, which I own (latest revision, 3.2), you can toggle it to output full range by holding down the top button (the one that changes between passthrough, 2x, and smoothing) while you plug in the power to it, but it will only output full range while it's on and does not retain that on power cycles. By default, as you said, it's partial range. Maybe the Pro does something like this?

[@OsakaSan]

By the way nice to see you again guys :)

[@Zion767318]

You guys did a great job at showcasing the (subtle?) differences between the RetroTink 2x Pro and the Koryuu Transcoder. I currently still occasionally use my Framemeister for certain things, but have for awhile been looking to get something that does a better job at representing Composite/S-Video signals from my older consoles, as well as having very quick "Mode" switching for games that switch video modes mid-game. I've been on the fence on whether or not to pick up a RetroTink 2x (now called the RetroTink 2x Classic), but I think that I'll be picking up a RetorTink 2x Pro when I next get payed. I agree that there are certain visual effects that are lost when playing a Sega Genesis console through anything above Composite, which will be better represented with either the RetroTink 2x Pro or the Koryuu Transcoder. Stay safe and keep the videos rolling. Cheers!

[@Sinisteve]

I got the koryuu last month purely so I can ditch the 14” Philips monitor I use solely for the C64, everything else only takes RGB as I don’t have a composite card for my BVM... I must say I’m really impressed with has the C64 looks through the OSSC on the big screen, think I actually prefer it over the BVM picture😳

[@steverogers8163]

I actually just got the retro-access S-Video Nintendo cable. Its good (nothing mind blowing far as I can see). I got it because the cost of the HD Retrovision component cables were simply more than I was willing to spend on some cables.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I mean, S-video has a ceiling on quality, for sure, but given how many BAD S-video cables are out there for Nintendo systems, we're really glad Retro Access is making them.

[@steverogers8163]

@@mylifeingaming yes that is true. I had looked at some my local retro store had (seems to be a white label brand as I see the same box with different names on the internet). The cables were shockingly thin and likely had no internal shielding either. I will say the biggest difference I noticed was in text. Its much crisper on S-video compared to composite.

[@samfrito]

I just picked up the Retrovision cables at the end of last year and it made a world of difference with Sega 8-bit and 16-bit. I am getting the Retrotink 2xPro very soon to enjoy NES and other systems. Its all for the further enjoyment of old systems. If a more effective way to display old composite signals comes along, lets hope they remain semi-affordable.

[@jaredt2590]

The Koryuu is what you need if you love pre-16 bit systems other than the sega master system and/or the n64. It transcodes the signal to component giving you the right colors per display and component is basically a cleaned up video signal from an nes or before or an n64.

[@PredictableEnigma]

I was hunting for a good crt to play ps2 on when my boyfriend got me an mCable as a gift instead. I think it's a cool piece of tech but I had to break it to him that it has a few too many problems for me to use it for that purpose. I think it's better just to clean up nintendo switch games than for retro stuff. What do you guys think about it?

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Predictable Enigma Aww at least he got you something even though it wasn’t really what you wanted, hopefully it’s good for your switch use! And good luck finding a good CRT. :)

[@PredictableEnigma]

@@justanotheryoutubechannel i have since found a jvc d series for 20 bucks! It needs some tuning but is amazing. I use the mcable for ps3

[@SteamPunk96]

Ahh, always so exciting seeing a new upload, gonna save this one for tonight to relax with before bed.

[@ClockworkBard]

Long live the RetroTINK-2X! I love my Framemeister and gscartsw setup, but I'd have been very happy and several hundred dollars richer if the RetroTINK existed a little sooner.

[@ClockworkBard]

@A Gentleman True, the Framemeister unquestionably owns the 480i space. The sixth-generation consoles (and Wii) are gorgeous on it. I've got no regrets and definitely won't be tearing the setup down. Though since I'm spoiled with having both as an option, I'm considering moving the Genesis and maybe the Saturn over to composite and the RetroTINK.

[@jd.3493]

You guys are awesome! And I actually enjoy the mini content that seems less scripted more than normal episodes, although they are all good!

[@alfredl3831]

I love my Nintendo S-video cable from Retro Access.

[@KCarubia]

I can't wait until there is a comparison video with the RetroTINK Pro and the RetroTINK Multi with it's 480p passthough. What I am most concerned about is the sacrifice that Mike had to do for the Multi's passthough hardware. I read that images are now slightly softened as a result of the new hardware locking into the vertical bilinear filter. I'm wondering if the softening of NES, SNES, and N64 composite & s-video signals is a deal breaker for wanting to play my Gamecube and PS2 480p content games. (yes I still have my GC component cable.)

[@KiloMegaGigaTerra94]

This video seems more natural in terms of how you guys spoke in it. It's different and I like it! Great job guys.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] MLiG Mini is our unscripted series. Some people like it, some people don't! We'll continue doing both.

[@InertiaWasTaken]

Nice to see something new from these guys

[@martinmcneal2778]

Would the Retrotink be able to allow a non-interlaced computer monitor to display from systems like the Super Nintendo, Gamecube, or even the PSP Go? If given a VGA to HDMI adapter of course.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Yes it's actually fantastic for that. You can get plenty of inexpensive lag-free HDMI to VGA converters online.

[@neozeed1984]

Composite video is ok on an older crt under 20-27"( for the nes or below). Beyond that s-video is needed at the bare minimum, whether it be for a 32"+ crt or an hd display fed through the proper transcoder/upscaler. I have seen some newer 4k tvs take a composite nes signal and display it ok but didn't check the lag it took to do it. I honestly just run my nes and 2600 to a 27" consumer crt, while all other consoles go to that and also, a vga crt and a 4k samsung through the ossc.

[@SuukiDesu]

I just had SIX ADS IN A ROW. We are literally back to the days of watching regular TV now

[@ExtremeReviewer101]

Look up a Chrome or Firefox extension called "Adnauseum". Just activate the three switches when you first install the application, and adjust from there in the settings. After that, you won't have to deal with ads anymore. Just remember to install it as a Dev package, or activate dev mode in chrome browsers when installing it. Because they have removed it from the chropme web store for 2 years now. But the website has an API file you can install or the entire github zip file package you can install when opening up the folder of the entirety of Adnauseum. When you do the zip file version, click on install add-on in the dev version, find the adnauseum chrome version unzipped, double click on the folder, then don't go into the other folders, just press add at the bottom of the window, and it'll add the program itself into your extensions. Any questions? let me know via this email: [e-mail]. You're welcome. As for the firefox version, just install it from the firefox web store and install it. You can also do it in the install add-on dev version of it if you choose so, but it's not needed in firefox. For chrome, yeah you'll have to go through those steps.

[@Yakobu90]

I've been using a composite and S-video to VGA box and sending that to the OSSC. It works well and is cheaper than both.

[@TobiEstosWorld]

I'll stay with my ossc. For my the way best option available now and with its new price deop even more ytractive than before

[@AirshBornely]

I'm glad you touched on S-video cables. I remember making the mistake with this multi console S-video cable that had a yellow cable for composite. Glad I found a better one for my N64 now

[@SuperPoopatron]

Honestly, I'm not so lucky with mine. I pretty much have to make do with a cheap cable for the N64. It's not perfect, but because I have a PAL N64, and what I got was specifically designed for it, I don't have much choice unless I want to RGB mod it.

[@ameenskywalker]

I was about to pull the trigger on the Koryu as a solution to get Svideo into my BVM (lack of y/c input card) when I saw you mentioned about incorrect fields for 480i. Guess I'll wait for them to fix that.

[@dage8223]

as always great video I'm persanoly love s-video on saturn and ps1 more than rgb, especially in resident evil games and silent hill (can say it about almost all early polygon graphics games on every systems) on ps1 s-video image much smoother than rgb, rgb is great in 2d games, on genesis I love rgb but I love water effects in sonic games via composite the same situation with shadows in comix zone and lion kings backgrounds, so I can't say that composite and s-video give bad image

[@Kniffel101]

7:44 Wait a sec, does Sonic 1 actually have that "rainbow effect" when played on a CRT?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] With composite video, yes. It's a characteristic of the Genesis's awful composite video output, but many developers did make lemonade with it, so to speak.

[@retrosoul8770]

All the reason why I'm excited to try Retrovisions Component cables for the mighty Genny. Dithering be damned

[@BBfanfun]

RetroTink all the way ! can't wait for system specific RAD2X-hdmi cables !

[@tobymalamute2856]

I've got the Nintendo one, and I love it.

[@albey1816]

I have all these in the RAD2X Cables > PS1 > Genesis Model2 > N64 > PCEngine > Saturn One thing to remember, they are not the sharpest Analog to digital converters out there ( If you are after crisp pixels ) What i like is they get the job done properly and give you the ability to connect to HDMI display devices.

[@cactoidpinata]

Great video as always! The Koryuu is tempting. I wish it wasn't so expensive because I'd really only use it for GameCube and maybe Dreamcast at this point.

[@Yupppi]

Hi guys! Thanks for another valuable video. I've been looking to compliment my n64 with ossc after koryuu's release without modding it, and it's nice to actually see the effects. Have you thought about uploading your videos at 4k on youtube? Doing my own videos I noticed a clear increase in quality despite the source material being 1080p when I made it 4k and uploaded to youtube. Seems like even at 1080p youtube is doing a lot of less flattering things to the video you upload. So even though your video was 1080p, uploading it at 4k makes it look better on youtube. Forces it to get around the algorithms. I'm looking forward to OSSC firmware update in the future adding some better filters for koryuu fed signals to improve the look of it. As it stands it looks like ossc's upscaler and filter are great when you have a clean signal, simply beautiful, but with those low quality signals those filters and scalers don't leave the most pleasing image. Like with Ocarina of Time sample on this video the detail and colors were much more impressive on s-video, but the image itself was more pleasing on composite. Just something to hide that noise a bit. And for n64 some kind of smoothening blur could definitely help. Or perhaps koryuu's own filters could do that? That firmware update connection looks terrible though, hopefully they'll upgrade the box to use something like OSSC's sd card system.

[@jackbootshamangaming4541]

I'm getting one finally. With this, a MiSTeR, the various 8bitdo controllers, I'm set.

[@ValkyrieTiara]

9:43 Try: **says a bunch of stuff** What I hear: "When you're cycling through the mode buttons, if you push the button it'll be the first one for the thing that you're on but you can push it more and if you're on the other one and push it it'll be on a different one so push it and it'll be on the first one and it'll cycle through if you push it and don't be on the wrong one cause it'll be too dark if you push it so make sure you're on the right one so you get the correct brightness." Me: "Push it till it looks good. Got it."

[@ValkyrieTiara]

(Just so we're clear, this was not a dig at Try, but at my own comprehension ability)

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] You're right, though! I should say "press button until it looks good" more often, I was definitely trying to say too much for something pretty simple.

[@MousePounder]

Gonna be a good day now that MLiG are here!

[@eddiehimself]

"KORYUU-CHAN!"

[@OsakaSan]

As the owner of a Retrotink classic, the Koryuu doesn't seen to offer exactly a great value. I guess it has its audience on the ossc user base, but it doesn't really do much for me

[@misterkeebler]

It really just matters for someone scaling to 4x or 5x, and even that gets tricky with OSSC and TV compatibility. But yeah I own the 2x pro and the ossc and I'll probably just continue using the 2x pro for my composite/S-video needs. It's so much simpler to use that I try to use it over the ossc when I can. I love the 2x pros smoothing feature for early 3d titles as well.

[@retrotink339]

Thanks! FWIW, it's the perfect add-on if you already own an OSSC. I think the quality of 3x/4x/5x composite is debatable, but Line5x S-video looks damn close to RGB.

[@ValkyrieTiara]

If you already own an OSSC, it's cheaper than a retrotink. And if people are buying them, I say there's nothing wrong with filling that niche.

[@ttvCarn]

@@ValkyrieTiara it definitely seems to be a device purely for those who want to or already own an OSSC. I wanted to able to use my NES and N64 on my big screen TV without them looking like total crap so this duo accomplishes that perfectly. Sure it's not as nice as RGB but those console mods are pretty expensive.

[@ValkyrieTiara]

@@ttvCarn If all you want is to play NES and N64 games on your HD display without going RGB, I would recommend the retrotink. It's MUCH cheaper than ossc + koryuu (by about $100). But if there are other features of the OSSC that you want so you'd buy (or already have) one anyway, then yeah the koryuu is the better option.

[@dirediredude]

So I've watched a few videos on the retrotink 2x now and they all say the same thing, don't run multiple consoles through this one box. So then I'm curious, what is the point of this thing when retrotink still offers singular boxes that fit whatever connection method you have with your single system? Be it composite, s video, component, etc, they sell boxes that will do convert and clean up the signal from your console to your tv for around 60 bucks. Is it just purely the "bonus" things like scan lines filter? I'm just struggling see the need for these 2x and 4x boxes. Thanks!

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Well you can hook up whatever you want into the 5X, which is massively more advanced. The single cables are a separate product that Mike licensed out using his tech, but they aren't his products really, so that might be where your confusion comes in. You can hook up multiple things into the 2X with a switcher, but yeah it can cause image quality loss in some scenarios. Personally when I use my 2X devices, it's for a quick and easy temporary setup, and it's nice to be able to do that with any system, rather than just what I have a cable for.

[@littleguystar]

I love seeing attempts on getting bad cables getting good quality!

[@ians_parks]

Some people dont want to mod systems that dont support rgb natively

[@littleguystar]

@@ians_parks I know.

[@ians_parks]

@@littleguystar Misinterpreted your comment as sarcastic lol. Use to talking to assholes 😅

[@SheepHairOG]

I feel like every kind of product like this has it's own set of benefits and drawbacks. I'm not the most well-versed on how it all works so I don't know if it'd be possible, but I wish there was just one option that had it all in one. And I mean that wouldn't necessarily kill demand for the other products, as it would obviously be more expensive. People just looking for the simplest solution would still go for the cheapest option. Personally, I just wish the OSSC supported S-Video, because the lowest quality video source I want one of these for would be an unmodded N64 and having a whole other device just for that, whether it be the RetroTINK or Koryuu, seems like too much of a bother. I do prefer the look of the Koryuu, and I think it'll get even better overtime with updates. The RetroTINK being easy to update through USB is a major advantage, though. Note: I learned immediately after typing and before posting this that the OSSC Pro will likely have S-Video and composite support, among a lot of other upgrades. Figured I'd still post the comment anyway lmao

[@goukigod]

What do you guys use to capture gameplay from the OSSC beyond 2X?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Coury uses PEXHDCAP60L, I use a Magewell card, and we both also use the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K. All accept 960p and usually even do fine with 1200p from the OSSC.

[@perpetualcollapse]

Koryuu + OSSC would be amazing for plug and play consoles

[@ians_parks]

Its always a good day when a new MLiG video releases.

[@sebastianmelendres4538]

You guys need to talk about the Rad 2x plug and play upscaler for the the next MLiG Mini episode.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Since we don't have one, it won't be next, but we do want to look at it.

[@SkyScourgeGod]

I recently got an OSSC and a Koryuu to accompany it and I can confirm that there is something wrong with the 480i from the Koryuu. If I feed 240p from S-Video into the Koryuu then channel the Koryuu's output into the OSSC it works very nicely, but as soon as the OSSC gets 480i from the Koryuu it does not work at all. This problem persists constantly with my 3DO since it only outputs 480i and occasionally on my N64, PlayStation and Saturn (the common trio that have games switching between 240p and 480i). Games on those systems that use 480i for cutscenes and menus will be dropped on the OSSC as soon as the game hits those particular parts, then comes back when 240p is enabled. The OSSC itself shows signs of an unstable sync signal only from Koryuu-type 480i due to the LED being red and the screen on the OSSC going nuts. I know its not the OSSC because when I feed it 480i directly from my PS2 and Xbox (all official component connections) the OSSC takes it no questions asked. I'm honestly surprised you two got 480i to work from the Koryuu into your OSSC, perhaps its also a mixture of the other pieces of equipment that I have in my setup (several Extron switchers). Oddly enough, my CRT has no issues with the Koryuu on any video mode. The S-Video jack on my CRT is a bit wonky so I wanted the Koryuu to bypass it by using the Component jacks instead. 480i from the Koryuu into my CRT has a bit more flicker than normal, but it displays it none the less. Hopefully the makers of the Koryuu come up with an update to fix this as its a pretty crippling issue at the moment. Have either of you two experienced these issues or something similar with the Koryuu?

[@Raddaman8000]

Im probably going to stick to my retrotink classic since scanlines aren't necessarily something I'm looking for, and I'm not using a 480i console on it to smooth out the interlacing. Thanks for putting this video out though, as for a while I was having trouble figuring out what the true differences were between the classic and the pro.

[@Microwave414]

I've got to say owning the retrotink-2x pro and an ossc has been nothing short of useful. They're both good at what they are intended to do and I feel like scaling composite or s-video above 2x would show the flaws in those input formats. So I do like that the retrotink tells me sweet little lies about those inputs to make them more easy on the eyes while I have a feeling that the koryuu would have been too brutally honest about those formats and ended up with me RGB modding a non-easily RGB modifiable N64 and NES.

[@greenroom1988]

Cool video. I will check out that improved Nintendo s video cable for my n64. I already think it looks pretty good through the retro tink 2x with a cheap one I got on Amazon.

[@gametourny4ever627]

I would have loved a focus on the Nes & Turbo Duo for consoles that composite is their best display without modding as well as the N64, Atari Jaguar, Panasonic 3DO, and the Philips cdi with S Video being their best output currently without modding. I know the Jaguar is Rgb capable out of the box but I don't know of any Component cable for it yet. Would love if HD Retrovision made one for the Jaguar.

[@ninjay345]

Going to contribute to the # of comments that say "mini" , 22 mins lol. Love you guys and your vids.

[@emmettturner9452]

The Nintendo-compatible cables with composite and S-Video aren't just crappy... they're almost always wired incorrectly. They connect Chroma to CVBS. You can tell because they will work on an unmodified SNS-101 that normally doesn't support S-Video. This is why you see diagonal lines of interference wherever you see large areas of normally-solid colors. I think they did this on purpose so the same cable would appear to work with SNS-101 and PAL N64s, which lets retailers avoid returns.

[@BensyBens]

Great episode as always But what about the rgb200 episode on the dreamcast? I’m waiting for this for years

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] It will be a bit later in the year for sure, but we're committing to it being this year.

[@TheExodvs]

Anyone who uses matrix switchers and breakout cables with S-Video will want to know this: The RetroTINK-2X Pro will except a color signal through the blue jack.

[@thenortonanti]

I use my RetroTink2X (classic) to line double Component to my CRT. It looks amazing. I was interested in what the difference between limited and full was. Do you guys have a picture for us to see the difference?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] There is no difference when Limited and Full are properly handled. Watch this for an explanation of Limited Range and Full Range. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqrQZ4t6aJJrp9k Basically they're just different standards for where the cutoff points in the signal are for the brightest white and the darkest black. If your display is set for the correct standard, then they should look identical. Full Range is handy for us though because since the OSSC is always Full Range, then we don't have to change our capture card settings when using the RetroTINK-2X Pro (but we do have to change the settings for the Classic, and then back again for the OSSC).

[@ColdSphinX]

I have an OSSC and an LIGAWO 6526663 and am still missing a S-Video solution, which might be the RetroTINK-2X so just for S-Video, I doubt that the Pro is worth the extra price?

[@craigluft7453]

still enjoying this format. if you guys like doing these and it's easy to bang out, I welcome many more

[@bradcarlson8349]

I've been using my original RetroTINK-2X for composite/S-vid input into my OSSC via a Tendak HDMI-VGA adapter. Since that wasn't covered here, but was on one of the previous vids, wondering if the 2X Pro would be a worthy upgrade over the original for that use case.

[@retrotink339]

For you, the best upgrade would be to get a HDMI -> component converter (~$14) to replace the VGA. That way you can use the LPF on the OSSC and get rid of the pixel shimmering artifact. The Pro probably isn't worth the upgrade unless you want to also use the device as a standalone in other setups.

[@juntartful]

I got mine today! First time gaming on a modern TV where I feel like it is actually playable. However, i feel like there is the slightest bit of lag still. I speedrun and this may be a problem for me. I'm running game mode on my sony 4k Tv and i feel like I notice lag a bit. My TV is a 40 inch so maybe lm not used to a size jump so not sure. Ideally I would want a gaming monitor for zero lag? Any help or comments would be appreciated

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] The OSSC and RetroTINK don't add lag in and of themselves, so if you're not using wireless controllers, then you know the lag must be coming from your TV. On a modern TV, 1 frame of lag or so (16ms) is extremely good, which is about what I have. That's not lag I can feel personally, but I understand for more competitive gamers like speedrunners, they may be able to notice it. If you're concerned with determining how various displays handle various resolutions in terms of delay, a device I've enjoyed using is the Time Sleuth. You can set the dial to the appropriate resolution (480p to approximate the RetroTINK resolution) and then aim the camera at the top blinking bar to get a measure of latency for that resolution on that display. shop.dansprojects.com/time-sleuth-lag-tester.html

[@juntartful]

@@mylifeingaming thank you for the informed reply! 👍

[@ThePCgamewalkthoughs]

@@juntartful I did a lot of research on cheap TVs for retro gaming and ended up getting a TCL 43S425. It's super cheap and yes the image looks really bad in some situations, but oh lordy the game mode is quite good for the price. Not bad pixel response times, either, though in 3D games with full camera rotation, it took a bit to get used to the blur when rotating the camera.

[@kameoosama]

I think I'm getting the problem you're seeing on pvms with the koryuu on the retrotink 2x pro but only on my capture card. Occasionally the sound screws up too . Swapping inputs on my hdmi switcher fixes it but sometimes it takes a few tries.

[@WDeranged]

It does annoy me when a scanline option isn't brightness corrected. Such a simple fix for an obvious problem.

[@Sukh.Sanghera]

Damn I love your channel!

[@danfortuna1984]

Does anyone know if I can hook my multi av box to the retrotink and have all my systems ready to go on my hdtv?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Yes you can use it with switchers. But be careful if you're trying to plug multiple inputs into the RetroTINK at one time. For example, composite and S-video at the same time. This can darken the picture or just cause it to look weird. There is also only one audio input anyway.

[@danfortuna1984]

My Life in Gaming thanks for the info 👍🏻

[@MeMe-dd2up]

What do you recommend for the laseractive. I have a frame meister and it looks horrible on hdtv. Which would look better if any

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I'm not 100% sure if Laserdisc stuff is stable on a RetroTINK-2X but I think so. I do like how it looks with the softening filter for video content, but be warned that VHS is too unstable for it and will drop sync a lot.

[@alectorb1214]

Great video,looks like a great product,now lets work on getting a RGB input,so we can use our arcade pcbs,neo geo mvs,i truly believe there a market for it,and make so u could use a regular crt tv or lcd/led or such.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] There is also a RetroTINK-2X SCART version that only uses RGB.

[@alectorb1214]

@@mylifeingaming thanks for the reply, maybe u guys could do a video showing the hook up and game play using an mvs and or a n arcade pcb on regular lcd.once again ,thanks for the reply.

[@djMaki]

is there a way to stop the flickering / stutter with the 2x pro ? im trying to stream some ps2 games and the jittering is too jarring for my viewers ( as well as me when i review my vod's ) maybe the pass through option on the device ? it looks like the same issue as you with the Koryuu . if i set my Elgato to only max out at 30fps it stops the jitter , but i would infinitely prefer 60 . current setup is PS2 with ebay Component cables - Component splitter . Output 1 is using HD Retrovision cables that goes to my 30" Philips 16:9 CRT . Output 2 is using HD Retrovision cables going into my Retrotink 2x Pro with an HDMI cable going into my Elgato HD60 Pro .

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] 480i will give you flicker on the TINK. Composite video can also be a source of flicker. I've never noticed stutter with it though, are you sure it's not a capture card or streaming issue?

[@djMaki]

My Life in Gaming i switched my Retrotink to Pass Through instead of 2x Scaler , that seems to have solved my issue . thanks again for the great video !

[@PSXMicha]

The Koryuu is really expensive. I have an old Yamaha AV Receiver which also transcodes Composite and S-Video to YPbPr. got it for 30 Bucks

[@marvalcomicsfan123]

I think the framemeister’s s-video and composite handling is the best on the market and I think it makes it worth the 300 - 400 price tag. That’s why I bought one for my N64. ( also for the Component video handling for PS2/PS1 and GameCube)

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] It is certainly a great all-in-one solution and it still handles 480i the best of anything out there.

[@marvalcomicsfan123]

My Life in Gaming I was wondering if the 480p handling is good for the framemeister now after updates or is it just alright still?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I don't think it's that bad, but it's not perfect. 480p on the OSSC is simply glorious, I can't deny that. The 2x 480p (960p) just looks stunning to me. That said, my eyes never really zeroed in on the particular flaws that a lot of people point out with 480p on the Framemeister.

[@marvalcomicsfan123]

My Life in Gaming I guess you can always daisy chain the OSSC to the framemeister since the OSSC doesn’t have much input lag. 960p scales pretty good on the framemeister.

[@gamingtv394]

Talks about devices for HD TV's but has a bunch of CRTs in the background.

[@TheFrenchy82]

yep.... and it's not my case.... interesting video, I'm not denying it... but I have more questions now...

[@PredictableEnigma]

New to the channel? He has a crt room and an hdtv room. He has retro consoles in both rooms so he can provide info for gamers of different tv tastes

[@domls1317]

This the best most underrated channel of all time!!!!!

[@waynosdaboss]

I am surprised you never mentioned the Retrotink 2x SCART version! Was this not in scope ? It's an amazing device for a simple plug and play RGB to HDMI solution.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] The reality is that we don't have one! It might have come up briefly in our conversation, but I forget. If so, it was cut for time reasons. After all, the focus on this video was on what to do with composite and S-video signals, and as such we didn't really even talk about (or show) the 2X Pro's component capabilities.

[@waynosdaboss]

@@mylifeingaming yes good point ! I was lucky to get hold of one (imported to the UK) before it went out of stock. I don't see it being mentioned much and if it comes back in stock I think it is really worth highlighting to people especially for its ease of use and price point in a future video maybe.

[@xxSpike1989xx]

I buy rad2x cables they're built in retrotink 2x's for individual consoles. Theyre a god sent. I'm hoping for a ps2 cable in the future.

[@ians_parks]

Not likely considering the retrotink2x line of devices relies on a chip set that doesnt support 480p. That said the playstation rad2x should work fine with the ps2. It'll just be bob deinterlacing 480i to 480p, which isnt a huge compromise when you take into account a majority of the ps2 library is 480i anyway.

[@username19237]

I’m leaning heavily towards the RetroTink 2x Pro due to the ease of use and wide compatibility over having to perhaps find solutions on a per console basis, but I’m concerned about whether my TV would accept a 480p signal over HDMI? Is this a legitimate concern? I have a Vizio PQ65-F1.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] That is very very unlikely to be a problem. The only problem I would worry about is that your TV may want to stretch 480p to 16:9 by default, but surely your TV has an aspect ratio setting so that you can force it to 4:3.

[@jesseanderson3835]

Late to the video. Hope u guys are staying safe in these crazy times. I'm hoping a few deep dives of developer focused videos ala Atlus, Platinum, Treasure, etc might be worthy of their own videos. Especially with some recent and upcoming releases from these folks. Cheers

[@Boojakascha]

PAL Game Cube can output RGB

[@lawrencepham3284]

What is the music from 0:20 ? Anyone ???

[@randolphcarr4316]

I know there are a lot of crappy S video cables on the market, what’s one the you can suggest for the ossc and koryuu?

[@jc.1191]

For a composite output. I don't understand why you would want the composite input on an HDTV vs the HDMI input. Couldn't you get better conversion? I'm a noob at video, I'm an audio guy. Or are the composite inputs on HDTVs still analog signal paths, and not converted to digital?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Analog video is always converted to digital for modem displays. The reason to use a device like the RetroTINK-2X is to have more control over how that conversion happens. Modern TVs (when they even have analog inputs) are designed for making video content look smoother, but are not really tuned for game content and minimizing input lag. By letting a specialty device do the analog to digital conversion and sending the HDTV a progressive HDMI signal, you bypass the worst of what the TV might do to it. As for Koryuu, that's not really its purpose. It's meant for connecting most specifically to the OSSC, which is currently the optimal game scaler. It can have other uses though. Analog does not equal bad, it just depends on the use. Same in the audio realm, right?

[@jc.1191]

@@mylifeingaming Yes. Thanks a bunch for your in depth reply! 👍