Review Bezzera Magica PID Espresso Machine Inside Out

[@Jaroslav.]

This is what high quality review should be like. You know it’s about to go down when you see the Scace and other tools on the table. Great job!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey J, Thanks a whole latte for the kind comment. We do try and go beyond the fluff with testing etc. Marc

[@alanh8101]

@@WholelattelovepageVery nice review and I’m buying one today jumping from my Breville Barrista Express to this hole will be a joy to have for many Years to Come

[@wallsaaron]

shut up and take my money. this is the best espresso machine review I've ever seen. I just moved to a smaller house and my single group commercial HX espresso machine doesn't fit so I sadly had to sell it. I'm brewing with an old gaggia espresso color and it's definitely lacking in the flavor development department. I wanted to get back to that solid HX performance, but am curious about dual boilers. after watching a few scace tests with PID'd HX machines, I really don't see the need to over complicate things with a 2x boiler when a PID on a high quality HX will lock you in within 1 degree. I feel like my pallet is well developed, but I really don't think I could taste the difference between 1º and 0.5º stability of a dedicated PID brew boiler. I'll save the $1k price difference and spend that on the best beans I can find.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey w, Thanks for the kind words on the video. Also, appreciate you sharing your thought process and decision. I agree with your assessment. I think even the best tasters would be challenged to tell a difference of 1 degree in brew temp. Marc

[@cac2244]

I just love this video as I used it to set my Magica 2 years ago and now in 2023 to remind me how to adjust the pressure.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi C, Thanks a whole latte for the love! Marc

[@iggyman83]

Build quality looks stunning

[@DavidJohnson-wx6kt]

I bought this fabulous machine from WLL, LOVE IT! Upgraded from a Sylvia, the espresso has so much more depth!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DJ, Thanks for your patronage and sharing your love for the Bezzera Magica! Marc

[@MsRadetsma]

My 2020 Bezzera Magica PID looks slightly different from the inside! Not a lot, but Bezzera will have redesigned the machine here and there. For example, no easy drain for me! And the vacuum valve spoils the water over the boiler. Well, I can live with that.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Thanks for the info

[@DPack25]

I just purchased the Bezzera BZ13 DE. I liked the heat-up time and the volumetric capabilities. However, it seems that you may have more of a preference for the E61 machines. Is there a reason to go for this model over the BZ13?

[@jeffmezzullo5864]

I would like to see the answer to this as well. I am looking at the BZ13 and Magica along with Pro 500, Pro 300 and Crema One HX PID

[@flaviusmicula2670]

Absolutely love this video! I just ordered a refurbished one from you guys and I can’t wait. Two questions for you, Do you need to do a cooling flush in between shots to achieve that temperature accuracy? And Does a refurbished one come with all the accessories that a new one would come with? Thanks so much!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi f, thanks for your patronage! You do not have to do a cooling flush. A short rinse is fine to clean the group. The heated group head delivers consistent temps.

[@TVRstevef]

Pretty fantastic video. Thank you.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ВиталийБойко-з5й]

Yup, nice review of the most affordable E61 espresso maker in Ukrainian market. Thanks and have a nice time, sir!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Thank you too! Marc

[@Daniel-dl6fp]

Just recieved my sage dose control pro its incredible i used it with my non pressurised delonghi ec685 dedica and im getting incredible shots thanks for the great videos

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You’re welcome!

[@estrobedaaxios2329]

I've tried adjusting the brew pressure like this and failed spectacularly. In my case the brew pressure were originally set (by the previous owner) to 15 bars. I brought it down to 12 bars, then I tried backflushing again and got 14 bars. Turns out you cannot accurately set the brew pressure while the machine builds pressure. You have to do a slight adjustment, then try to backflush and adjust some more if you didn't get it right. Then, when you backflush you'll always get whatever you've set. In my case this was 12 bars and it's still at 12 bars whenever I backflush

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi e, Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. I have not found it necessary to do a backflush and re-adjustment. But if it works - go for it.

[@kimbridge5592]

what an awesome review. looks to be a nice machine

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi kb, It is and thanks for the comment!

[@DavidPetryk]

nice over view. Love their logo and those cups.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey David, Thanks for the comment. I like the Visconti Serpent as well. When I was in Milan a few years ago we went to the castle and found it on the walls there. Marc

[@valemodsVD]

The reservoir is 3 liters, not 4 as stated. I measured it and was annoyed by it, because that was one of my selling points for this machine. Maybe it all became mislead by the "total" capacity of water in the machine, which includes the boiler. But even then, I don't see the boiler holding 1 liter, cause when I descale and drain it, I get way less water than even half liter (from a full boiler). Also, changing the OPV from 12 bar to 9 or even just changing it to 11 bar really, generates a very terrible noise (kinda whistle, metal rattle) when backflushing or when extracting espresso. I called the technicians on WLL and didnt receive any solutions to fix this problem, saying that I basically have to deal with it. Then I did my own research with various forums and groups online, and found out that it could probably be the OPV spring getting loose with lower pressure settings and the only way to fix it is to replace that spring with a 9bar spring (like what Gaggia CP offers). You should say all of that in this video, for transparency, otherwise people (like me) will think it's completely doable to change the pressure from 12 to 9 bar with no problems, and purchase the machine, to find out that it's not true.

[@Mike_Genisys]

Would you buy it again? I'm debating this or the Profitec Pro 500

[@valemodsVD]

@@Mike_Genisys So far, nothing can beat the price of the Magica for what you get all in all. I would still choose this over the Pro500 PID, because I don’t like the feature of the “return water” of the pro500 being drained to the drip tray instead of going back to the reservoir (as in the Magica). That would be a huge waste of water, especially if you set the OPV to 9bar. Also, I don’t like turning knobs over joystick levers for the steam and hot water. And having the power switch and led that low is not really a good idea, especially because that area is gonna get lots of water from the steam wand etc. Also keep in mind that the Bezzera has a copper boiler (nickel plated inside) whereas the Profitec has an insulated stainless steel boiler. Both types of boilers have pros and cons so it all depends on what suits you the best. To answer your question, yes I would buy Bezzera again…and yes, you have to deal with the probable noise of the spring in the OPV when set to 9 bar or so, but it’s not a deal breaker issue for me.

[@Mike_Genisys]

@@valemodsVD Thanks, I'm new to this and after going through a breville and delonghi, I just want something that's going to last and can grow with me.

[@luigiporpora8322]

​@@valemodsVDI'm looking at the BZ13, Magica and Profitec 6 500. About the Bezzera boilers, are they all nickel plated on the inside? Also, is copper "safer" than stainless steel?

[@valemodsVD]

@@luigiporpora8322 I'm not sure if ALL Bezzera machines are nickel plated (maybe all the copper boiler ones?). Copper compared to Stainless Steel has two main advantages: copper is anti-bacterial by nature and will warm up faster.

[@Chief_of_Beef]

A 4L reservoir sounds so good, trying to decide whether to save up for this or a crem one HX

[@ormasas9159]

I own a crem one and here are the pros and cons compared to this machine but first realise that they are very very similar in the way they brew. Crem has a bigger drip tray although be it not wires ,but wires do present the opportunity to get coffee water all over you if your ever gonna purge. The opv on the crem is behind the drip tray, no need to open it up. If I were you id save up a little more and get a dual boiler!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Baco, @Or Masas has good advice. The Magica is a classic Italian machine while the Crem One HX is a modernized machine based on construction. Marc

[@BlakeStretton]

Hi there, I'm tossing up between the Profitec Pro 500 and the Bezzera Magica, and I was hoping you wouldn't mind giving me some feedback on which one you prefer over the two? P.S. Thanks for all your impressive videos! It's really helping me narrow down which machines are suitable for me.

[@travelinghamburger6093]

Hi Marc, so on this machine the temp you set on the pid is the brew temp and NOT the boiler temp? Also, I was looking at the BZ13 DE but apparently that has been discontinued so now my short list is down to two machines, the Magica and the new Profitec MOVE. How would you compare the Magica to the MOVE? Thank you.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi th, Thanks for the question. That's correct on temp setting. The Magica uses a heat exchange boiler and doesn't have some features like programmable pre-infusion, time of day on/off programming and it takes longer to heat up. Magica has flow control of the E61 group. The Move is a dual boiler ring group so you have individual control of boiler temps and more consistent brew temps. If you missed it, here's my in-depth video on the Profitec Move: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4ikc2qCdptnqdk

[@paulusandronicus]

Fantastic videos!! love your channel

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Thanks so much! Marc

[@MarcesAurelius]

had the idea the best retrofit-design would be in the dosing cup itself? of course most effective is close as possible to burrs

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Mark, I'm not sure I understand?

[@MarcesAurelius]

@@Wholelattelovepage sorry, comment was meant for video about the Acadia Ion Beam anti static device… would love to hear your evaluation

[@robfromga2]

Oh wow. There's a lot in that machine for a great price point.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

For sure!

[@huntway4843]

Great review! I've got a couple of questions though. Just received my Bezerra Mitica. Whilst brewing a cup of coffee, it loses a few degrees of the temperature (but comes back very quickly once finished brewing). Same with steaming. Is this normal? Also, we have water dripping into the tray whilst brewing from the longish part below the brew head (not sure what to call this), it sits behind the filter holder and extend down. Hope you know what I mean...

[@loukastheodoulou8661]

Thanks for the valuable info. What about the grounded coffee size we should use? is 1.4 a good value to ground our coffee?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LT, You are welcome! For espresso you need to dial in your grind size to match up with your other brewing variables. Not sure what 1.4 is. Here's a video which covers the simple dialing in process: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIC8aHdmZ9Nnedk Marc

[@texarkana3781]

Is it the same procedure to change OPV pressure on the "Unica"?

[@raffaelecandeloro4972]

hi mark im thinking to buy the bezzera magica in this video u mentioned a silicone tube what happen with water coming from that tube? thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi rc, I think you are referring to the return tube from the OPV? It goes back to the reservoir. Purpose is to control pressure in the brew circuit. Marc

[@agnieszka8464]

Hello, thank you for your excellent reviews. Is it possibile to make the one on bezzera mitica pid? I'm trying to decide among this one, ECM mechanica 5 and rocket mozzafiatio. Or is it worth adding a little to the price and get double boiler, ie profitec pro 700. Do double boilers last longer? I'd love to get one for at least 15 years.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi A, Thanks for your kind comment and question. Machine longevity depends on how well you take care of it. Key in that department is using good water that does not cause scale to form in the machine. Scale is the number one cause of machine issues. You want some minerals in the water for good flavor and to prevent corrosion of metals. But mineral type matters. The mineral calcium causes scale at the levels needed for good flavor extraction. The mineral Magnesium does not. BWT Water and More makes filters that exchange calcium ions for magnesium ions leaving you with water perfect for extracting flavor that will not cause scale in the machine. Any of the machines you mention can go 15 years with proper maintenance. If you will have a machine 15 years it's hard to argue against a dual boiler like the Pro 700. Amortize the extra cost over term of ownership and it's likely a couple bucks more a month. I guarantee you will appreciate a plumbable machine, with dual boilers and rotary pump over HX boiler machines with vibration pumps. Hope that helps! Marc

[@ruthyu7111]

Hi, we love watching your videos. Could please do a video on how to drain Bezzera Mitica boiler to prepare for shipping or storage? Thank you.

[@dobrescubogdan5740]

Hi Mark, which is the difference between BZ Magica PID and Lelit Mara X V2 ? As far i understood, Lelit confirm that a big issue with overheating temperature was solved due the double PID priority on espresso or steaming . Is that true ? Is that a Lelit performance VS. other HX machines like Profitec 400/500 , ECM Classica, BZ Unica, BZ Magica or Rolet Apartamento ?

[@euci3207]

does this have the new copper or brass (lead free) food grade safe components?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi e, Yes all brass contacting water used in Bezzera machines is certified food safe in Italy and US. Marc

[@tommteso6014]

hi, what do you think of Bezzera Magica PID vs Profitec Pro 400? Any suggestion which one to buy?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi TT, Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjgyNjU0Nzg3MTc5OCw2ODk5NDY0MDc3MzY2 As you likely know, the Magica is a regular PID machine with temps adjustable in 1 degree increments. The Pro 400 is PID controlled but runs in three temperature ranges. For the majority of users the temp ranges are sufficient. Use lower temp setting for dark roasts, medium setting for light roasts and click over to high temp for extra steaming power. If you are extra particular then you may prefer the more precise temps of the Magica. Something else to consider if you purchase at Whole Latte Love the warranty is 3 years on the Profitec and 2 years on the Bezzera. Hope that helps! Marc

[@hussainmahmoud7881]

Thank you for the review. Which would you recommend if same price, Bezzera Magica PID or Profitec 600

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi HM, You are welcome. I'd go with the Pro 600 for the dual boilers! Marc

[@hussainmahmoud7881]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you. Not only ur videos helpful, but the answers to comments also helps. In the UK the model with Flow control from official retailer is about 250£ more expensive. Does it worth the difference in your opinion? Also it comes with Joysticks?

[@Mike_Genisys]

How does this compare against the Profitec Pro 500? I'm torn between the two.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Mike, In case you missed it, here's my recent video review of the Pro 500 PID: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKbGmmWLe8mnatk The Pro 500 PID is a far more popular machine with our customers. Additionally, it's available with flow control of the E61 group and the Bezzera is not. Here's a link to the most recent Pro 500 PID w/flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Marc

[@jennifermarchlewski1607]

What is the diameter of the turn table /lazy Susan an where can I buy one?

[@ajillian1]

Hi Mark, i recently bought a Magica PID from you and I have one issue. Sometimes the boiler auto fill pops on mid extraction interfering with the brew pressure ruining the extraction. Is there any way to over ride the auto fill feature? Any suggestions would help.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey a, Any chance your water is really soft (low in minerals)? That can cause boiler to overfill a little. Then you start steaming and due to overfill you get more water out initially with the steam which drops level enough to cause autofill to kick on. If your water is normal hardness perhaps a workflow issue like your steaming a lot during an extraction soon after taking a bit of hot water out of machine. You could hack an override to autofill but not suggested due to danger of boiler going dry. I hope that helps. If you continue to have concerns please reach out to our tech support staff here for assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc

[@ajillian1]

Thanks for your quick reply. I may consider a manual boiler fill switch.I lived for years with the rancilio and I am used to monitoring the boiler. But I’ll live with it for now.

[@Bobee2000]

Hi Mark, This is great review and love it very much. Do you have or will do Flow Rate control on E61? how flow rate affect pressure as I see you set static pressure at 12Bar? Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi NAV, Yes we do have flow control available on most all Profitec and ECM E61 machines. I have a bunch of videos on how to use like this one featuring a variety of flow profiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWnPf61op7Foopo Some of those same profiles are available as graphs in this article along with more info on flow rates: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/intro-to-calculating-flow-rate-on-e61-group-machines Enjoy! Marc

[@Bobee2000]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks very much for quick help!

[@Bobee2000]

@@Wholelattelovepage Hello, what is main reason of setting pump pressure at 12Bar? Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

@@Bobee2000 So machine gauges on vibration pump machines generally indicate a higher pressure than what's actually in the group. Loses in the hydraulics and also pressure is measured near the pump and behind a one way valve.

[@Aljaz123]

Can anyone explain what size the stock basket for double espresso is ob Magica/Magica PID? Does it come with 18g, or shoud I go for Baristapro? Thank you!

[@SilentKiller-fx1qj]

Gorgeous machine

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Yes indeed! Thanks for the comment. Marc

[@precisionsoundworksstudio]

Another great vid, Mark. I want to make espresso and milk drinks. Between the Bezzera Magica and the Profitec Pro 500 with flow control which is the better pick?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi PSW, Both are excellent machines. It really comes down aesthetics. I may be a little biased as the Pro 500 is a long time favorite of mine so I'd go with the Pro 500. But, if you like lever operated valves maybe the Magica is the right choice. I do prefer the wire style drip tray of the Magica - it stays a little cleaner as water, coffee, etc doesn't pool on the surface. Flip side of that is you see all the liquid in the tray below the grate. Hope that helps! Marc

[@precisionsoundworksstudio]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for the fast and helpful reply!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

My pleasure! I often respond to original comments first thing in the morning. No guarantees 😉 Marc

[@precisionsoundworksstudio]

@@Wholelattelovepage 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@bgoody7580]

I’ve Been using machine about a week now. I notice when the machine is sitting idle for a while the PID indicator turns off. I turn the machine off and on and sometimes that works but most times it does not. The reservoir is always full so I do t think that’s the issue. I did notice one time I slid the machine slightly forward on the counter and the movement brought the PID light back on. What can I do. Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi BG, Sounds like a water sensor issue. I've linked to the section of the video which shows how water is sensed here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3O4m3SQlq-MldE Make sure the screw heads on the sides of the reservoir have good contact with the metal flaps. If you remove reinsert the reservoir does that fix problem? The machine uses conductivity of water for sensing. Water must have some mineral content for sensors to work. So if you're using distilled or RO (not a good idea for many reasons) that could cause the problem. If contact with the screw heads on side of reservoir looks good you can trace the wires back from the pickup and make sure everything is securely connected. If still having issues and you purchased the machine from us contact our Tech Support team here for additional assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us

[@fabioposser2]

How long to reach the temperature with around 25C ambiente?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey FP, Typical warmup time for E61 machines is 20-25 minutes. Marc

[@9sric]

Can I use my GCP portfilter on this machine?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi V, No, the GCP portafilter will not fit in this machine.

[@FatherBeforeMe]

Anyone know how to change the screen on the gasket ? Inside the machine?

[@MongooseReflexes]

Beautiful machine, and great review! Seems pretty similar to the Quick Mill Arnos. How would you compare them, and which one do you prefer?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Mongoose, Thanks for the comment. Here's our review of the Arnos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYrHdpSCiJ1ogM0 They are very similar machines. Think it comes down to what one likes style wise. Marc

[@grizzle1629]

I think what might bug me is that the brew pressure gauge is on the left and the steam gauge is on the right. Why not switch them so they sit next to the right thing? Kinda weird

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Good question!

[@grizzle1629]

@@Wholelattelovepage can they be swapped easily?

[@mvetere7]

Does the PID screen act as a shot timer on this machine?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MV, It does not. A comparable machine with shot timer, PID, E61 group and free flow control upgrade at the moment is the Profitec Pro 500 (Pro 500 w/visible PID & shot timer is a Whole Latte Love exclusive version)www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control The Pro 500 does not have joystick operated valves like the Magica. Instead it uses 1/4 quick steam valves with knobs. Hope that helps! Marc

[@mvetere7]

@@Wholelattelovepage yes, that helps a ton, thanks! I've been looking at all ends of the spectrum for an espresso machine and looked at the pro 500 and 700, however, for what I could get the magica for (with flow control this month, and rosewood handles) vs the pro 500, not sure if I can justify to myself the extra money just for the shot timer. Thank you for the response! Was happy to see a response even a year after the video has been up.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

@@mvetere7 Hey Mark, I always monitor for all new comments and do my best to give a complete/detailed original response. Not always possible to reply to replies - but here I am! Marc

[@MongooseReflexes]

Any idea when this Magica PID will be back in stock?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

We should have a new shipment on Magica PIDs in mid-April

[@MongooseReflexes]

@@Wholelattelovepage Wonderful, thanks! 👍🏻

[@clivejarmusch2906]

Great review! What's the difference between Magica and Mitica?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Clive, Not much - essentially same internal specs. Magica is the version we carry in the US. Marc

[@clivejarmusch2906]

@@Wholelattelovepage oh, good to know. Thank you for your input. Cheers!

[@clivejarmusch2906]

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, Marc. Is the Magica capable for light commercial use?if yes, how many cups per day? Your insights will be greatly appreciated.

[@badr8b8t]

Epic Co + review I must say. Can this machine be converted to or come with a rotary pump option. Also do you know anyone who is using this machine in a commercial setting? Do they do a plumbed in version. I have very limited space, and this machine would be a great addition to the food + coffee mobile set-up. Thanks for the tireless work you do. 🔥

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi br, Thanks for the comment and question. No option for converting to rotary - not enough room under the hood. Bezzera does have the dual boiler Matrix or Duo. They are dual boiler rotary pump machines. They are identical under the hood with external case work being the only difference. I do not know of anyone using the Magica in a commercial setting but it could go there in a low volume environment. Here's links to the Duo and Matrix. Each comes in either MN or DE versions. MNs use a lever operated E61 group. DE versions have programmable push button operation and use Bezzera's BZ group with internal heating elements: olelattelove.com/products/bezzera-duo-mn-dual-boiler-espresso-machine www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-matrix-de-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Hope that helps! Marc

[@dododale-ni7bf]

YOU CAN ADD A ROTARY PUMP WITH A MOTOR OUTSIDE OF THE MACHINE, IT IS THE BEST OPTION!!

[@oscarbarajas4498]

Hey WLL, How do you guys feel about using this one for a small pop up café?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Oscar, It's possible in low volume situation but not technically a commercial machine. Marc

[@oscarbarajas4498]

@@Wholelattelovepage I assume the same would be true for a Rocked 58 Cinquentotto?

[@tfctalonz]

Wouldn’t too much pressure cause channeling? Do you setup pressure in addition to PID temp prior to shipping?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Tony, Thanks for the questions. One would think additional pressure would cause channeling. But in reality it's not that simple. There's some thought higher pressure in the portafilter causes finer coffee particles to migrate through the coffee puck resulting in more of a "barrier" to channels. Other variables at play like distribution of grind and quality of leveling and tamping which play a role. We ship the Magica with the factory set brew pressure to produce the potential flow rate the manufacturer intended. As shown in the video very easy to adjust if desired. Marc

[@gregjfair]

@@Wholelattelovepage I noticed that there was a scace device on the table and the pressure was set to 10 on the gauge given losses to the brew head. Can you confirm that the scace device measured 9 bar while the meter was at 10?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

@@gregjfair Yes

[@Elfin4]

How do you descale the bolier? Canm this be done by the user? Does this have a water filter ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi E, Thanks for the questions. Machines with heat-exchange boilers like the Magica can be descaled by the end user. Here's a video demonstrating how to descale a machine with an HX boiler: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3aql6yAoLyGp7c The machine does not come with a water filter. We recommend using in reservoir pad filters like the BWT Bestsave: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-m-anti-scale-filter or the BWT Penguin Pitcher: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher Both those solutions use ion-echange tech to replace calcium with magnesium in tap water. When used as directed they prevent scale while providing the mineral level needed for a proper extraction. Marc

[@Elfin4]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the quick reply - Kind regards from England.

[@telotv7955]

Hello whole latte love, why my bezzera mitica doesn't heat up, it show off on pid display

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi TT, One common cause of PID being off and machine not heating is failure to sense water in the reservoir. I'd start by checking that. Marc

[@bzikofski]

Strangely, I am seeing stainless steel grate in european stores which sell Magica... but maybe it's just a wrong picture, as on Bezzera official website, the grate looks exactly like in your video.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi b, Can't speak for EU retailers. Manufacturers sometimes make some changes so that's a possibility. I'd trust the Bezzera website over a retailers. Marc

[@daniellea01]

I am choosing between this or ECM Technika V... which one is better? :)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DD, The current ECM Techika V Profi PID is a higher-end machine with a higher price tag than the Magica. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Technika and Magica: www.wholelattelove.com//pages/compare?products=MjIyMzc0MzUzMzExMCw2NTkyODQxNTE1MDYy Key features that put the Technika at the next level: Rotary pump, plumbable and exquisite case finishing and details. Hope that helps! Marc

[@daniellea01]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much! I will check that out! Also, I love watching your videos and very informative and helpful :)

[@xenimaging]

How long does it take to warm up? Can this be plumbed?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi x, Typical warmup time for E61 group machines like the Magica is ~20 minutes. Machine cannot be plumbed. Plumbing a machine genrally rquires it have a rotary pump and the Magica uses a vibration pump. Marc

[@chris_ea]

I choose this over the Rocket - by seeing the inside and the construction it wins

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Chris, Thanks for the comment. What's under the hood says a lot! Marc

[@chris_ea]

@@Wholelattelovepage Please do a compare between the smaller models

[@markkrysztofiak4625]

@@chris_ea I agree, I did a lot of research, mainly through these types of reviews and videos and I chose the Magica as well. Absolutely love this machine! Thanks Marc.

[@chris_ea]

@@markkrysztofiak4625 The interesting part is that if the bezzera models differ only in sizes and keeps the same base boilers and just downsizing ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey MK, You’re welcome!

[@CrazyCuber187]

Great video! Can we get a similar in-depth review on the BZ10??

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey StemCut, Thanks for the comment. I do not have an individual review of the BZ10. But, I do have this one which compares the BZ10 to the Rockate Appartamento: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3uzpYSphqidY8k Marc

[@MUNEER85]

Hi Mark, I follow your videos and thank you very much for everything you’re doing. I must say I’ve learnt a lot watching your videos. Does Whole Latte Love ship machines to Saudi Arabia if I would to order one? Is there a warranty that covers it? And finally is it possible to have a consultation on what best machines might fit my needs. Thank you very much again and best wishes from the other side of the world !

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MA, Thanks for the kind comment and you are welcome. Unfortunately we only ship to US and Canada at this time. I don't offer personal consultations but if you leave an original comment on any of my videos and detail your needs I'll give you some ideas of what machine might best fit. Marc

[@MUNEER85]

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc and thank you very much for your prompt response. Basically, I am more of an espresso lover. And here I mean the deep rich espresso with a beautiful crema! Occasionally, I feel like having a flat white or a cappuccino (maybe once a week). I’ve looked at so many videos and reviews and the more I read the more confused I get! So I essentially decided on the ECM Classika. But after watching your video on the vibration vs rotary pump and the espresso each made, I decided against the classika because it’s a vibration pump. Besides, I found a second hand Classika (type ii) which doesn’t have a PID. I’m not sure how pivotal that is but I’d guess it’d be very helpful for someone like me who hasn’t used a machine before and lacks experience on the technical functions such as pressure…etc. I know some people are good at managing temperature by managing the pressure, but I can’t myself since I don’t know how. Finally, money shouldn’t be an issue for purchasing machine that produces the perfect espresso. However, I don’t want to spend a lot on a machine that is “too advanced” then I don’t make the most of its functions. That’d be just a waste! So to sum up, I’m looking for a machine that produces a perfect shot of espresso, easy to use, and ready to make some drinks with milk occasionally. I also would like to know your thoughts on the Classika ii that doesn’t have a PID. thank you very much in advance for taking the time to respond to this and sorry for the very long message!

[@EugeneBuvard]

How long do you think this machine would last?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi EB, With proper maintenance it should go for a very long time. Most problems are caused by neglect and/or poor water quality which causes scale to build up in the machine. Great thing is these machines are very user serviceable and we are here to support you if needed with many how to videos, written material and coffee pros you can talk to by phone. Marc

[@Pianoman1488]

Would like to see this in a head to head with a profitec or rocket machine!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Pianoman, Thanks for the request. Might be awhile before I can do a new video comparing the machines. We do have review videos on many Profitec and Rocket machines. Search our YT channel for those. Similar machines are the Profitec Pro 500 and the Rocket Cronometro V available in Giotto or Mozzafiato body styles. Here's a link with a head to head spec comparison of those machines and the Bezzera Magica: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjU5Mjg0MTUxNTA2Miw0MjkxNjQxNjA2MTk4LDY1ODMxNzMwNTQ1MTg If you have a specific question on the machines leave it in an original comment on any video on our channel and I'll get you an answer. Marc

[@andersbjrnskov8130]

Whats the story of the logo and how come is it the same as yhe Alfa Romeo logo???

[@pinomurgo8825]

Because that "snake" is the symbol of Milano.

[@andersbjrnskov8130]

@@pinomurgo8825 ahaa okay 👍 thank you 😎

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Here's more on the logo origin, meaning and use: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscione Marc

[@andersbjrnskov8130]

@@Wholelattelovepage cool. Thanks 👍

[@Valspartame_Maelstrom]

why do I watch videos about machines i’ll never be able to afford? I just end up depressed, sobbing in the fetal position in the basement.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Spruce, Never say never! Marc

[@Valspartame_Maelstrom]

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks, marc. I bought the gaggia classic pro from you guys and (sorry to say) I got the SCG exclusive eureka Notte grinder to pair with it. it’s been a great pairing. consistent 25-30 second doubles. results have gotten better since trying the steamer trick you guys recently posted.

[@CH-yp5by]

This guy pronounces Bezzera "Bedzzera" because for some reason he adds a d for some reason even though there is not one.... Nice review though! Although the PID is a fairly cheap component to add to a machine these days, a lot of people add their own to Gaggia classic and Ranchillio Silva machine, so I would not make it a big deal regarding the price.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi CH, Thanks for the kind comment. Very aware people will hack their machine and install PID - often with questionable results. But sure it can be done. On the pronunciation of Bezzera... That comes straight from the mouth of the guy who has the last name: Luca Bezzera. I had him pronounce his name on tape when I visited his production facility in Italy back in 2018. I don't claim to pronounce it perfectly but give it my best shot. It's a Portuguese name pronounced in Italian. You can here Luca pronounce it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYqUZYF6bMR4rtU Marc

[@_nthng]

i’m very sorry to disappoint you, but the way Marc says “Bedzera” is absolutely right! I’m fluent in Italian and that’s how the last name should be pronounced. If you’re not sure about smth, better don’t say anything.

[@caseyzaft6734]

Bezzera should take notes from Rocket…hide that digital PID and improve the leg aesthetic. Overall a decent unit

[@davidk7262]

Let’s hope if they do they don’t downgrade to Rocket quality standards....

[@marshallgoldberg8376]

I have the Bezzera Duo, which has a touchscreen. It’s fantastic! Looks great, works great, and my morning cappuccinos are oh so delicious!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Casey, Thanks for the comment. Rocket machine do tend to hide their electronic displays. Recently changed their tune on that a bit. Their Cronometro machines have a small circular display on front with a shot timerr. Marc

[@pekkanii]

@@davidk7262 i dont think there is a downgrade in standards from Bezzera really.

[@sandyd4271]

first 👍

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[@JasonAlexzander1q47]

No thanks. One single copper boiler. I'll stick with two stainless boilers in my ECM Synchronika. It also has a rotary pump and is plumbed in

[@Sal_car88]

Your comment must be a joke, right? The ECM synchronika is a $3200+ machine. This one is less than $1900. These do not compete with each other. Obviously you'll get more on a machine that costs $1400 more.

[@JasonAlexzander1q47]

@@Sal_car88 no joke. Just stating the fact that people should save their money and buy something like the Synchronika. Something, that with normal maintenance, will last them 25yrs or better. Espresso machines should be a purchase like an appliance. Such as like a refrigerator or stove. You want something that will have quality and last. And let's face it. If your going to do a home espresso bar. You might as well throw down on a puqpress too! 😉😉

[@luigiporpora8322]

Is stainless steel safer than copper?

[@dododale-ni7bf]

nice machine if only have ROTARY PUMP, WHY THEY DO NOT ADD ROTARY PUMP, SHAME VIBRA IS JUST 3 GRADE PUMP FOR THIS BEAUTIFULL MACHINE, SHAME!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi dd, Thanks for the comment. Vibe pumps a very common at this level of machine. Rotary pump would significantly increase cost and size of machine. Some users like vibe pumps for their slower initial pressure rise which acts as a sort of pre-infusion. Also, slower pressure rise may allow one to use a slightly finer grind size resulting in a deeper extraction. Many other variables play into that but it's often the case. Marc

[@sandyd4271]

first 👍

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