Review - SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 3 (2024)

[@edwardscales5503]

"Animals F**cking around with Jim Carey" was the working title for Ace Ventura!

[@tdylan]

If you really think about it though, Ace didn't spend much of the screen time with animals (in the first movie).

[@RoonMian]

No, I think that pitch was "Jim Carey f***ing around with animals"

[@Mysticgamer]

It was also the plot.

[@tdylan]

@@Mysticgamer The plot was "Pet Detective solves murder." He was only brought in because he was investigating a missing dolphin and the person that was murdered had tangential ties to the dolphin.

[@sailorsyaoran]

Bob, Big fan long time fan, defender of you. but c'mon, you CLEARLY have a chip on your shoulder about these movies to a point where it hinders your ability to review them totally fairly. There's approaching these movies as not a fan and there's being BITTER, Fans are not to blame for the studio's mistreatment of the animators, from what we've heard Animators TOLD them the ugly design was BAD and they were made to move forward until backlash, Its not unreasonable that the market the film was looking to take advantage of (built in IP fan-base) was upset that the thing they were adapting (Sonic) lacked his core appeal and most enduring element (his fucking character design) The fans aren't mad at you because "sonic fans are annoying" (they are) they're mad because you're being a tad dishonest. The first movie is "fine" for what it is and the context around it. The second is the same but a notable improvement. The "Knuckles" TV show was bad, i can't defend that one beyond probably blaming celebrity casting. The Third is insanely better in every-way, A lot of this seems like you went in wanting to dislike it. "Alleged" adults? c'mon. You acted the EXACT same as the mediocre Mario movie which is ON PAR with the first sonic movie (pretty good despite what it is, Mario movie with chris pratt and by fucking illumination) but you praised that because you are a fan, You'd think you could approach this with some tact. I usually am able to respect and see where you come from with reviews even when i don't agree, but everytime you open your mouth about these sonic movies its like... contrarian for its own sake. like you're still stuck in the 90s console war, Mario and Sonic are friends now, they play at the olympics sometimes

[@Watch-0w1]

Dude not always right. Remember he give Godzilla monster unleash 10/10 like such masterpiece.

[@sangieredwolf]

Wow, you encapsulated all my feelings.

[@penelopesa]

No, I've seen the other movies and he's pretty on point. These are.... bad films. Even for children's films.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

Okay, I feel it's important to drop a lesson on subjectivity in reviews and opinion. A reviewer is not providing an objective statement on a movie. Even if they claim they are, it is ultimately objective only by their view and is still and forever will be subjective. It's how they can review one thing positively and yet another product that seems to be cut from the same cloth can be viewed the complete opposite way. Case in point, him reviewing the Mario movie positively while negatively covering the Sonic movies is not a gotcha. It's not a showcase of lack of tact even with his comments because it takes little more than a few seconds to think of who he's referring to which is not the chill Sonic fans that just like a movie but rather the band of childish fools that descend upon any criticism because they can't handle it. It's only dishonest I'd say when you have people who are trained not to think like that but rather to take everything at face value.

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@penelopesa Then both you and Bob are wrong.

[@MakoByte]

Gonna be honest, as a gamer parent of gamer kids, these movies have been super fun to see as a family. I know they aren't great cinema, but I have yet to have a bad time seeing these in theaters with the kids.

[@Undrave]

Exactly! They're not offensive and they're fun! They have constant quality, constant tone, constant character and the universe expends at a constant pace that doesn't overwhelm people and it drops fun nuggets of lore to get fans interested.

[@thematman92]

Honestly dude as someone who has never seen one of these movies but was once a child: if you can have fun with your kids while watching a movie live your bliss ignore all the haters who cares if the movie isn't amazing.

[@janushunyadi9612]

See, that is a major difference between you and Bob. You have family and kids to enjoy it. Moviebob has no one because he is a miserable piece of work who can only sit there in his own juices and then get angry that the "blue rat" is at its third movie, while Mario had so far one good movie.

[@angrycat1232]

“It feels like they did the previz before writing a script” So like a Marvel film then? ;)

[@CJTheReal]

Exactly like Super Mario. Where scenes basically had zero transitions and it just jumped from setpiece to setpiece.

[@LongcrierInProgress]

My exact thoughts. Paramount finally found a replacement after losing the MCU to Disney.

[@galten7361]

@@LongcrierInProgress The Sonic movies were always more or less just the MCU/DCEU with furries (also some E.T. and Stranger Things and road trips and "toon in the real world"). They have the same broad messages/ideas as other superhero movies (see how they made Sonic tell a speech to Knuckles on how he has a responsibility to be a full time vigilante or how the movies portray the police/military or how they characterized Eggman).

[@Undrave]

Funny because Sonic is doing way better post-credit scenes now than the current MCU :p

[@maydaymemer4660]

@galten7361 my guy you have this weird spin in your head of the sonic films as conservative films. What socialist children’s films do you watch?

[@danielgertler5976]

You might not like it, but this is what peak hedgehog looks like.

[@Quaid44]

Middle aged man has strong opinions about a Sonic film.

[@CiaphasKirby]

Damn, who could have guessed a guy who's reviewed movies for almost 20 years would have opinions on a movie he saw.

[@galten7361]

@Quaid44 It's okay. You can just say you have a problem with him not ranking the movie highly and/or you have contempt for him.

[@Quaid44]

@@galten7361wut? I'm just giving a description of this video.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Galten bro literally who doesnt have contempt for bob, even the mcdonalds employees probably spit in his fries

[@maydaymemer4660]

To put this review into context: The thing with Bob is that he comes from the 80s cheese generation and his idea of campy fun is stuff like MOTU, TMNT 87 and Thundercats. To the point he has shat on versions like the 2003 TMNT and even the original comics for "taking themselves too seriously" when they're both campy and ridiculous, just in different ways Hence why his seething hatred for Shadow is both easy to understand where he comes from but also incomplete. Shadow is not just a "angry, evil Sonic" he represents what the fanbase loves about 90s/00s camp while also having enough of a character arc to make him likeable. Shadow's status as "evil" applies to what? The first two levels of SA2? The whole point of the character is that he is driven by love, after his face-turn. Again, I know this is a ridiculous character on its face: black and red Sonic with a gun and motorbike, the very embodiment of "this goes hard, feel free to screenshot" but what Bob doesnt get is that is what makes him FUN in the same way the TMNT, He-Man or Lion-O are fun in their boy scout PSA way It seems for the past four years Bob has been extremely bitter that these Sonic movies have went from strength to strength whereas Mario has been stuck with Chris Pratt and the Minions. We're now 3-for-3 with Sonic movies that even the critics have been generally okay with (Bob's put but a small dent in RT's 80+ score, if you care about that sort of thing) where the Mario movie was notoriously shat on for being references: the movie (ironically a criticism you could level at this third one from what i've read, which is fully adapting SA2 wholesale, but I dont know if Bob has ever played that game in order to know the plot) So I would recommend checking out how the other critics feel, I wouldnt listen to a Sonic fan's opinion on this movie just like how Bob's is too biased the opposite direction, if it still is certified fresh in a couple of days go see it. As a Sonic fan and with Knuckles and Shadow as some of my favorites in the franchise I might go, but I skipped 2 because I felt the first film was decent but skewed too young for a fan of the games like me But some of Bob's criticism just on its face seems a bit silly. Like calling Sonic's cast of animal friends "uninteresting" feels like a cope when Sonic has a cast famous for even the most obscure and lamest members having defined personalities and some sort of fanbase. Whereas the Mario cast has diluted itself to the point that even the RPGs dont have good character writing anymore. I also just find it hypocritical to complain about the movie being filmed on green screen when Bob had an infamous tweet defending filming a bar scene in Black Widow in a big greenscreen instead of an actual set, because his fanboyism was so strong he cited the corpses from Twilight Zone as their reasoning

[@jordanloux3883]

That's a lot of writing to say 'I disagree with Bob because I'm an adult that can make their own decisions.'

[@maydaymemer4660]

@@jordanloux3883 tru, but i also find the disconnect between bob and yahtzee vs. people who "get" the franchise's appeal to be fascinating enough to try to bridge that gap. even if both sides dont really deserve it and stopping them from fightin isnt something i NEED to do

[@jadedheartsz]

Yeah and Bob is hardly the best judge of what a good script is considering he hated "The Menu" for super shallow reasons.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@jordanloux3883 quiet troll

[@ZoanBlade90]

​@@jadedheartsz What was the reasoning?

[@galacticspecter4364]

moviebob is that japanese soldier who kept fighting 29 years after WWII ended but for the super nintendo vs sega genesis rivalry of the 90s. he'll look you dead in the eyes and tell you the mario movie was a 9/10 while looking down at the sonic movies because it's in his blood to hate anything and everything involving that blue rat.

[@jadedheartsz]

yeah dude is really childish about Sonic and always has been.

[@mandarinduck]

Bit pot calling the kettle black there

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Unlike you, who's doing the same thing? You think you're different because you're on the other team but you're making the same plays you're mocking.

[@galacticspecter4364]

​@@TheEvilCheesecake You don't know how deep moviebob's hatred of Sonic and his obsessive love of Mario/Nintendo goes. It's embedded deep, you'll notice it if you've ever seen moviebob write about those two game series.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Exactly, he's a mirror of you.

[@talesfromiDEATH]

I actually agree in principle with your bugbear about fans changing the direction of this series rather than the team sticking to their guns, i do think it sets a bad precident. But it's impossible to deny that it absolutely worked in this instance and improved the film and led it to be a franchise it probably never would have otherwise. It's very weird to be still harping on about it three films and a tv show in. Edit: And look, you're obviously entitled to your opinion, if you dont like these movies thats fine. They're obviously not the peak of cinema and I don't think anyone's claiming they are. Personally though I think if you meet these films where they are, accept you're gonna have to deal with the weird human stuff and that that's the tone these flicks have, you'll have a really good time with them. Especially Sonic 2 & Knuckles. I do think it's weird that you're harping on the quality of the script though when you gave Mario a 9/10 despite it being the blandest by the numbers corporate slop I've ever seen. A film that's 90% references and the 10% thats the actual plot is just nothing. Different strokes for different folks i guess but putting these two reviews together feels like reading a nintendo magazine from the 90s 😅

[@jadedheartsz]

fans didn't change the direction of anything though, and frankly Paramount were being dumbasses about the terrible original design, Jim Sterling accurately pointed out that they were quite arrogant in thinking they knew better. Bob is infamous for holding grudges against franchises for stupid reasons, he pulled the same crap with Cuphead cause he still can't get over people rightfully calling out that one journalist for sucking at the game.

[@ktownshutdown21]

Not all fandoms are inherently malevolent, which seems to be the running idea behind railing against people trashing the original design. It's case by case, so I don't think it's fair to lump Sonic fans into the same boat as like the Star Wars douchebags being racist every chance they get or something. And the fact is that the design WAS ass. Visually repellant on its own merits that wouldn't have sold a single toy to kids even if we didn't have the real thing to compare it to, and if your kids franchise scares off that target audience, then you're DOA. The first movie would've been right alongside Cats 2019 as an infamous bomb that KZbinrs would still be making bank roasting to this day, and for what? Some executive at Paramount would've been too proud to just make a character look like the thing they're trying to make money off of? Got em...?! If that's really Bob's whole grudge against these movies, then he really needs to let it go already.

[@talesfromiDEATH]

​@jadedheartsz well, it's impossible to know for sure really but I think the direction of this series probably did change after the redesign. Given the inclusion of things like the egg-o-matic and death egg robot in the sequel that shift the general visual language of the films to be in line with the games, I'm not sure we'd have got that in a sequel to that original film (if we'd have even got a sequel at all)

[@batman-sr2px]

Yeah this doesn't make sense. His story criticism is fair but I can't take it seriously if Mario failed to deliver that and he gives it a 9.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

That's just because the Mario movie to him is unadulterated fun. This is the thing about personal opinions that I feel people don't get. Your enjoyment is not tied to something's quality. A movie could have a wack-ass script but you could still personally enjoy it enough it ranks high. Plus with the Mario movie, it never promised a big stunning story, the games outside of the spin-offs never really had stunning stories so if you're willing? You go with the ride. I mean I fucking love the Mario movie because as a fan of that franchise, it delivers what feels like a genuinely loving tribute to the series and its history with a good sense of humor, genuinely beautiful animation and just fun. Sonic... I mean... I haven't seen Sonic 3. I hope it's good but this is the thing. The bar was set so low with that initial trailer. Sonic has also had a pretty rocky history thanks to SEGA being so woefully inconsistent and often incompetent with its mascot so it was guaranteed that as long as they don't suck to such a massive degree? It's fine. But these movies really feel shackled. The first movie people forget had its first trailer shit on for the design AND the fact it looked like the most basic "CG fantastical character gets plopped into the human world" story that we've seen in Smurfs and so many other adaptations. They changed the design... but it still was the same kind of movie. Sonic 2 changed things a bit, leaning more into the games... but it still was a typical family movie with Sonic stuff in it and a few references. The Mario movie eats, sleeps, breathes and shits Mario. The Sonic movies are still only gradually leaning into the games.

[@benw.3848]

As a hardcore Sonic fan, I was laughing at the well deserved roast. When you said “Alleged adults”, I chuckled. 😂

[@maydaymemer4660]

I mean glass houses in Bob’s case

[@ShaunHjj]

​@@maydaymemer4660this neck beard eats up Disney nonsense and then has the nerve to question other people's maturity levels.

[@amandaananda9029]

This comment section feels like it should be for a review of Sonic '06, js. The number of people bringing up Mario VS Sonic discourse in 2024 is wild. I thought the first movie was fun, the second one was a weird slog, and I plan to watch the third one throughly inebriated - as I did the first two. It ain't that serious, folks. That said, I unfortunately do have to agree that Bob seems to be coming at this with a really unfortunate mentality here - the Comics Are Weird guy making fun of how the characters are too samey or forgettable? Come on, all our nerdy fandoms are dumb at the end of the day, and while we can still be critical, we don't have to be this dismissive. This attitude is going to alienate his fans who also like Sonic, and certainly not draw any new viewers, either. I've been following Bob for over a decade, and I don't want him to fall behind culturally, but between this attitude and not updating the video format, it's going to remain an uphill battle to remain relevant.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I agree completely Sonic fans need to not take themselves so seriously, as this comment section looks to have the makings of a bit of a flame war, but I also think there's this interesting thing where Bob doesnt "get" what makes these characters appealing in the same way despite all my disagreements and criticisms I feel he does "get" a character like Spider-Man or the Ninja Turtles or the Transformers for example

[@jadedheartsz]

Yeah him mocking the people being excited about the movie was just plain uncalled for and it makes Bob come off as just as bad as the Snyder cultists he claims to be ideologically opposed to, seems like Bob is the one "filling his diaper" here LOL.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@maydaymemer4660 Bob needs to learn to not hold grudges against a franchise for years for shallow reasons.

[@j8000]

"this attitude is going to alienate his fans" The entire point of a reviewer is to offer their opinion, not to go wherever they imagine the fans want.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@j8000 but some opinions can be based on ignorance and that is definitely the case here, Bob mistakenly dismisses Shadow as just an "edgy" character when in reality he's anything but, him saying that with Knuckles we don't need a character like him shows just how little Bob knows about the franchise, it's a classic case of what TV Tropes calls Critical Research Failure. Plus Bob has some seriously warped ideas for how the franchise could be better, like seriously listen to his old Game Overthinker episode where he I shit you not says Dr Robotnik should flat out kill some of Sonic's friends to show how "serious" he is, now that sounds WAY edgier then anything Sega has ever done with the character which makes Bob's claims in this review hilariously hypocritical.

[@Blackhawk19892]

Im a crusty old millenial by now but my younger freinds absolutely adore this franchise. I figured 'well you cant judge a film without seeing it youself' and agreed to watch the second one with them. I finally got it. They sat and stared at their phones for an hour and a half occasionally looking up when Jim Carrey came on screen to cheer. I think I finally understood how my parents felt watching me and freinds jumping up and down seeing a new megazord in 1995.

[@dexscout]

Come on Bob, why do you think the Mario Movie is better than this?. It's basically just as dumb, maybe looks better?

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

Because it just appeals to him? He at one point was not looking forward to the Mario movie and he had low expectations. It came out and he liked it. Simple as that because reviews are subjective.

[@maydaymemer4660]

The guy saw the movie The Wizard having Mario 3 in it as a validating moment in his life

[@Undrave]

I'm sorry Bob but EVERYBODY thought Ugly Sonic was awful. It was a fuckin' nightmare creature! It wasn't marketable or cute and it should have never seen the light of day. Nobody liked it and the movie would have not been as popular.

[@crashstarr6531]

All these kids are mad because you think this doesn't meet the high bar set by the mario movie. I'm just trying to figure out how the mario movie is being used as an example of a good movie in the first place. Y'all remember they made him be chris pratt right?

[@jordanromesburg6819]

I'm excited for Sonic 3 and I also enjoyed the Mario movie If Jean Ralphio can be Sonic, why can't Andy Dwyer be Mario?

[@crashstarr6531]

@jordanromesburg6819 nothing wrong with enjoying either one, everyone has their own tastes. I meant more to point out that they are both good-enough movies with plenty of flaws on display, and holding one as objectively better than the other is silly and incredibly subjective. Chris Pratt was just a singularly uninspired choice for casting, IMO. Really brought mario down for me, personally. If the same isn't true for you, well, that was really my point all along lol

[@batman-sr2px]

​@@crashstarr6531was the story even good for Mario?

[@sonictheblueknigth]

Well, the Mario movie was enjoyable but, objectively it wasn’t good, it’s the generic illumination movie. The things that elevate the movie were that embraced the video games

[@GiuseppeMario-d8y]

It's a Mario movie about Mario stuff, there's stuff from the games, it takes place in the Mario world instead of the real world, there's no extended scenes where Mario or Luigi or Peach are just sitting in a car while some boring human schmuck takes the spotlight...what's not to like?

[@kletuskasady9218]

Expected after his review of the first 2. This is clearly some weird vendetta against Sonic at this point. Like, I would argue Mario and Sonic 1 are roughly equal as movies. But saying 2 is the best one and that 3 is a downgrade is just, wrong. I mean the reason that they didn't need to explain everything in movie 3 is that they explain how it got there in the first 2 movies. Sonic 3 is easily the best so far and it blows away Mario in terms of what it delivers in terms of a Sonic story. The problem with reviews like these in general is that the vendetta against this franchise is only notable because of how obviously he's trying to downtalk the audience along with the film. I remember those old Game Overthinker videos where you used to mock Sonic endlessly while glazing Mario as mediocre but serviceable when Sonic was at a low point in the series but now Mario is treading water and Sonic is trending upward for the fans and bringing in new ones with each new product again. It's like you want to revive the video game wars that you complained about existing so often in those old Overthinker videos. You clearly have no concept for why these movies are appealing to people. So just, stop reviewing them if you made it 3 in and you can't see why people like them. You refused to review Magnificent Beasts 3 because of your weird vendetta against the creator of the series, so just refuse this.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I just find it weird he cites it as a downgrade because of the human stuff but the human stuff was more prevelant in the Sonic 2 movie

[@kletuskasady9218]

@@maydaymemer4660 One of the biggest improvements of 3 was the extreme focus on Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow and any human stuff was the people we cared about (Ivo and Gerald) Tom and Maddie only REALLY get one moment and Agent Stone actually has a character arc pay off that has been set up for 3 movies. All these arcs come to a close here and they set up Sonic 4 so well, yet he reduced down to just "Blue guy turns different color and it's stupid cause internet people like it" which is such a spiteful way and the most uncharitable way to even frame an argument.

[@TheJadedJames]

As a millennial who was in the right age range in the 2000s to know all this Sonic-lore in my 30s, the idea of having to explain all this Sonic lore to non-video game playing fellow adults sounds HILARIOUS. Like, PLEASE tell me there is a moment in this movie where Shadow is like "Maria, I promise you REVENGE!" or they play "Live and Learn" at some point so my inner 13-year-old can laugh/cheer his ass off in this.

[@maydaymemer4660]

They play Live & Learn AND Escape from the City from what ive heard. Youll be right chuffed

[@TheJadedJames]

@@maydaymemer4660 If that is true. I WILL FUCKING LOSE IT. (When I see the clips on KZbin 4 months from now)

[@troyjardine5850]

6:24 "which borring interchangeable plumber just changed color and which instances were borring interchangeable plumbers being a new character which still being Mario but a slightly different shade of Mario." See I can made broad meaningless analogies too! Your fanboyism and still acting like it's the 90s and the SNES vs Genesis war is still raging are hurting your credibility on this one. Like the Japanese soilders on remote Pacific Islands who didn't realize WW2 ended decades ago, you need to stand down. I liked the Illumination Mario movie, but that was not a 10/10 movie. I don't mean this to be harsh, I generaly like your work, it's this one thing that holds your work back.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Truly nobody is more oppressed than sad sonic ultra fans.

[@Jayfive276]

Oh dear god do so completely give it a rest you ridiculous fanboy muppets.

[@batman-sr2px]

Lol does this guy hate DBZ? I have a feeling he does.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@TheEvilCheesecake dude youre under the comments of a moviebob video, the guy who thinks the console wars was his own personal vietnam. You dont have to be pithy at someone point out how dumb Bob logic is

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

@@maydaymemer4660 you trying to use "pithy" as your word of the day calendar insult is very funny.

[@ThatJessieBoy]

Immediately at 0:49, this just isn't true. They changed the design because EVERYONE was ridiculing it. They anticipated fan backlash to that design, they just didn't anticpate that everyone would be in unanimous agreement that it didn't work. Somic fans can be a pain in the ass but, 4 years later, surely you can see the wood through the trees or at least do some research.

[@notreallythere477]

Ah, yes, *everyone* harassed a studio into torturing their animators with crunch to make a mediocre movie into a mediocre movie but now you can't even make memes out of how nightmarish the character design is. That's *way* better.

[@TheRoboKitty]

Even that isn't capturing the full story. The REAL reason they had to change the design? Sega was mad. Even with all the backlash, the studio was going to just plow along with the old design anyway, but once you make the license holder angry you have to change it Internet harassment campaigns aren't justified, I'm tacking that on the end just to make sure it's still heard

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@TheRoboKitty That's not even what it was. SEGA had questions about the design and they pushed along with it. It was primarily how everyone mocked it. They really didn't care that SEGA had a problem since SEGA really didn't have any say on that matter. That being said, the narrative they ran with is that they "listened" to the fans with this redesign even though they beforehand released a poster that made a jab about the backlash to the poster featuring the silhouette manhog.

[@Americanbadashh]

@@notreallythere477 Bro, even other animators were trashing the original design

[@adama.7735]

I was gonna say, this notion that “toxic fans” bullied Paramount into forcing animators to change Sonic’s design is pure revisionist history. All people did was make fun of how terrible the initial design was, and Paramount freaked out and commissioned a redesign. There were no petitions or death threats against Paramount executives that led to the redesign. Unless Bob is suggesting that the Internet had no right to roast the initial design, fans are not to blame. The blame for that falls strictly under Paramount for thinking the initial design was a good idea in the first place.

[@MrMophead41001]

Damn Bob, you got people big mad for not liking this movie. Good thing the sonic fan base isn't famous for that or anything

[@DevilSurvivor69]

I guess the Sonic Cycle applies to movies now lol.

[@movielover7565]

The sonic fandom is truly awful. They can't handle when someone gives them the hard truth.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@DevilSurvivor69 except now the products are actually good to back up the cycle

[@MaxMarriner]

I’m sorry but there is no goddamn way this is lesser than 2. This is the first time any of these movies impressed me

[@SunDryll]

Same!

[@galten7361]

@MaxMarriner I agree there's no way it's worse.

[@gabrielrussell5531]

9:05 Whenever a Discord beep sneaks into Bob's reviews I check my Discord.

[@jadedheartsz]

this is WAY better then that mediocre Mario animated film.

[@Jayfive276]

Isn’t this just an answer to a question no one asked. It’s not a competition. You can like something without it needing to be better than something else. I quite like the Mario film, I couldn’t care less whether some stranger on the internet likes or not.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@Jayfive276 Uh Bob brought up the damn Mario movie in this very review and directly compared it to this movie genius, how embarrassing for you LOL. You should try telling Bob that it's not a competition as he still seems stuck in the 90s when the "Mario Vs Sonic" rivalry was at it's most fierce. I don't care if Bob does not like the film but I do care if he actively insults people that do actually like these movies, like cmon he didn't have to mock the people in his own movie theater that were getting into the film, seriously what good did that do? It just made him come off as just as bad as the kinds of people he claims to be against.

[@zacnewman7140]

The phrase "the customer is always right in matters of taste" springs to mind. I always thought the console wars were stupid and never liked Mario or Sonic as actual games, give me Civ 4 or MoO 2 any day of the week, but how anyone could like the Sonic movies better than the Mario movie is _entirely_ beyond my capacity.

[@jadedheartsz]

​@@zacnewman7140 It's not that difficult to understand at all and it's not just regular customers either, plenty of critics didn't care for the Mario movie(saying it was essentially a 90 minute commercial for the games and they ain't wrong IMO) but did give the Sonic movies positive reviews(All three have Fresh ratings on RT so they have to be doing something right). To me the Mario movie was too predicable(Aside from having Peach play the role of heroine)it wasn't bad or anything, just no real surprises of any sort(I honestly liked the live-action Mario movie better)whereas with the Sonic movies they kept me guessing as to how they were going to adapt the games and characters and continuously surprised me in a good way.

[@galten7361]

@@jadedheartsz Neither movies were that solid by actual movie standards.

[@gameflyhunter841]

Wow, Bob. I've been a fan of yours for a long-ass time. Who pissed in your coffee this morning, man? Yes, it's a silly movie. So was the Transformers animated movie. And THAT got a Just That Good episode. So, silly movie that's a cartoon for kids about toy robots is a masterpiece, while a silly movie about furry fast animals and an mad-doctor with some edgelord is trash? Bob, my dood, I'm your age. I got the neckbeard, too. From one 80's kid to another; STEP OFF THE GOD-DAMN SOAPBOX. Just enjoy the silly movie for what it is. If it has some story problems, well, so have Sonic in the games, and MARIO in the games, and ZELDA in the games. Even Final Fantasy has loads of story problems, movies OR games. Ten-second review became ten-minute review, because you had to stand on a soapbox. If you have to explain the joke, it's not funny, Bob. Step down, take a bow, and move on.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Watch Transformers One, then come back and explain why your sonic team can't try as hard as that movie.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@TheEvilCheesecake “MY silly children’s movie about talking toys that transform into other toys is better than your silly children’s movie about talking rodents”

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

The Sonic movies are bad versions of a good idea. Transformers One is a good version of a good idea. They are in the same genre but very different in terms of what they are aiming to be and say. But it seems you'd rather just be served branded slop than actually hold filmmakers to standards. Keep cheering for bad movies and don't be upset when that's all you start getting offered.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

For example I think you can spot some differences between good Star Wars movies and bad ones, but if I came along and told you they were all identical because of the genre you'd realise how dumb that idea is.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 Except Transformers One is fucking fantastic. It's not ashamed of the series it's associated with and crafts a story that strikes that balance of acknowledging the series is kind of inherently ridiculous while also taking the material seriously and being genuine. It's not a generic family movie that happens to star the Transformers. It's not good for a Transformers movie. It's just a damn good movie.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

"you deserve better movies" okay. I forgive you bob.

[@jadedheartsz]

nah it's a damn good movie Bob is nuts.

[@blackflagsnroses6013]

@@jadedheartsznah had they went with the Archie comics narrative it would have been way better

[@batman-sr2px]

​@@blackflagsnroses6013what do you mean by that

[@DevilSurvivor69]

​@jadedheartsz Get a life dude. You have left 20 comments at least on this video alone.

[@galten7361]

@@blackflagsnroses6013 The movies are already superheroes with furries.

[@TR_MEX]

“Hey guys I’m special and different because I hate this thing and the sonic fandom is awful because they wanted a better looking sonic” 😂

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

This is such a ridiculous take.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Aspiringcreator complains but TR literally just summarized bob’s actual opinion, there’s no exaggeration. Dude has been mad the sonic movie design changed for four years now, because he thinks fans bullied them into changing it

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 He really didn't, it's a take that can be best summed up as "I'm upset that this person doesn't like a movie and thus I am going to misrepresent them."

[@maydaymemer4660]

Aspiring, youre complaining people are misrepresenting bob chipman the guy who calls people mayonaisee ghouls for living in rural towns

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 I'm almost dead certain I'm missing context.

[@SaiyanHeretic]

Don't worry, Bob, I don't think Keanu *can* get angry at anybody. At worst, he might get slightly miffed then go "Nah, I'm over it."

[@Norrikan]

Leaving aside the relative merits (or lack thereof) of the narrative of these movies I will never quite comprehend Bob's seemingly seething hatred of the fact that the Sonic in these moves doesn't _look_ like a trash-fire anymore.

[@stevenkollin4409]

He has a weird chip on his shoulder when it comes to massive internet backlashes and studios responding to that. I get that whiners on the internet can be annoying, but if the change resulted in a better product, and it’s clearly demonstrated more people will watch the movie and enjoy it because of the design change, I don’t see the problem.

[@galten7361]

@@stevenkollin4409 The whole "they changed the design for le fans" was always just fantasy backed by PR. In light of the other changes the movie went through in production like how they changed the lizards chasing after Sonic in older drafts into Echidnas the design was just changed since relevant staff managed to get their way.

[@Undrave]

@@stevenkollin4409 Yeah it wasn't just fans, nobody liked that thing. It didn't look cute or marketable at all, who would have bought a plushie of that design?! For an IP revolving around cool/cute critters it would have mave resulted in a flop to rival Madame Web! Kids LOVE Sonic now!

[@maydaymemer4660]

@Undrave yea like it or not new Sonic products are always made to hawk new merch, thats just the truth. The old ugly design wouldnt have made a good plushee, but the new design manages to make for new toys distinct from the game toy design while also still looking good

[@darkmyro]

This is one of those times I disagree with Bob. I think this franchise is fine. It's not mind bogglingly good, but it's a decent movie and I'd take a decent movie rather than a totally crappy one. Like I like the supermario movie, the original from the 90s, but I'm glad we now have a movie that more closely resembles the games. I enjoy the first one for being this crazy, dumb, post blade runner cyber punk crazy movie with an even crazier premise that's full of dinosaurs and fungus, but I'm glad we now have a pretty good Mario movie where he's trying to help princess peach defeat Bowser and it's closer to all the look of the games. This is kinda my feelings on the sonic movie. It has the iconography, it has the characters. I also like that they went a little bit of a different direction cause most sonic media has him as more of a freedom fighter. This feels like a better fresher take.

[@troyjardine5850]

5:12 if you were a Sonic fan, you'd know that Shadow is a more deep and interesting character than the one dimentional "edgy edgelord" steriotype that he gets painted with. Both the Archie and IDW comics are great!

[@amandaananda9029]

I don't like comments that start with "if you were a REAL fan of ___" - we aren't doing purity tests here! Bob is a critic and has to watch a ton of movies, and he doesn't need to know the lore of every fandom to do that. If a character is actually "deep," then the movie has to be able to show that - if it doesn't, and viewers aren't impressed, they're not going out of their way to watch supplemental materials to learn more. Be reasonable.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@@amandaananda9029 from what i hear from other reviews the movie portrays his angst and character arc well, bob just ignored it because he has this spin in his head of what shadow is

[@jadedheartsz]

@@maydaymemer4660 Yeah Bob has a serious blind spot when it comes to a lot of things, and considering the fact that he hated "The Menu" for incredibly shallow reasons he's really not the best judge of a what a good script actually is.

[@ashthetic_art]

​@@amandaananda9029someone being reasonable on the internet? Inconceivable!

[@oshkeet]

@@amandaananda9029 Honestly sometimes finding someone who is completely disconnected from fandoms is the best meterstick for how the average person approaches things. I know there are absolutely things I hold too close to my chest to ever attempt an objective opinion on, and a LOT of people dont realize that they usually have one too. Doesnt mean im wrong for me, but i know it might not work for someone else

[@john8ross]

The commenters all seem to be defending this movie without actually listening to the legitimate criticism of the movie structure and the many other issues that exist. You can like a movie with flaws, but you cannot deny that flaws exist.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

Sonic fans are a weird breed. They want Sonic to supposedly succeed and get better but any actual criticism and it's like "FUCK YOU! YOU WANT THE SERIES TO DIE DON'T YOU?! YOU'D RATHER IT DIE NAKED AND STARVING! WELL WE DON'T! FUCK YOU! WE HISS! WE HISS AT YOU!".

[@maydaymemer4660]

The guy likes marvel movies and the mario movie which are also setpiece-driven spectacle, thats the problem people have. The sonic movies have to be flawless for him to give them a pass, Godzilla KOTM just has to have mothra in it

[@john8ross]

@ but does he? He also points out the flaws and faults in those movies as well. As I said, it’s ok to like a movie with flaws. Enough marvel movies are out there that I believe I like only half of them by now, or like half of them more then they deserve while not liking others half as much as they have earned. You can like sonic, but he’s right about it being a mess from the writing/directing level. (And the same can be aimed at a lot of movies, the way that writers can get away with hand waving trope laziness or directors not working on crafting scenes to flow logically into each other is quite common. It’s why RiffTrax and other such critics are able to survive.)

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@john8ross Hell with the MCU movies, he has caught flack for the movies he genuinely didn't care for. He noted for instance he wasn't the biggest fan of Homecoming at the time when general consensus was that movie was really damn good and when he revisited it for his big review where he went through the MCU films that were currently released, he began by noting he was sorry but that he just doesn't like it. He has also hot takes regarding Marvel just in general. He doesn't really like Venom or Deadpool for example as characters. It's clearly not a bias thing with Sonic so much as it's a "Look I just don't really like these movies and wish I did." thing.

[@galten7361]

@@maydaymemer4660 He already said that the Mario movie wasn't actually anything special as a film and it's just for kiddies getting into Mario or hardcore Mario fans like himself.

[@wanderlking8634]

Agreed Bob. I am a Sonic fan and I never cared about Sonic's look in the first one. As for asking for better movies, you have to understand we've been asking for better games and that only happens with some rarity. I'm not sure why I love a franchise known for buggy gameplay, bad camera angles, and weird story choices...but I do. The music is pretty good at least. Anyways, thanks for the review and sorry you had to be subjected to this.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Glazing bob lmao

[@danhill99]

As someone who has no interest in either franchise, I think it’s pretty hypocritical to big up something like Godzilla, then be harder on this when they basically live in the same space, right? And that’s fine! People are hypocritical, but it’s always struck me as a weird quirk of your reviews that you tend to ignore it whilst in most other situations being a super self aware guy

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

It's not really hypocritical. In fact, it's not the correct use of that. His upping of Godzilla is because he has seen he's enjoyed though he's not above criticizing since he was pretty hard on Godzilla 2014, noting it was kind of drab and boring and not super interesting. With the Sonic movies? They don't appeal. It's simple as that.

[@SpedeVesku]

Not a single Sonic product is comparable to the original Godzilla (1954)

[@danhill99]

Accurate, but not really what I was talking about since he’s never reviewed them- I was talking about how he gives the “big dumb mindless fun” modern Godzilla movies a pass, but doesn’t for this franchise when they’re equally “solid but mindless fun”

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@danhill99 It's because those movies are generally good at being mindless fun but also they have a little extra. In particular, I remember what he said about King of the Monsters where he said the monster fights are insane and amazing but that he also surprisingly liked the story and found it genuinely interesting and well-acted, meaning the monster brawling felt even more rewarding and satisfying. Of course this is subjective but the problem with the Sonic movies is that the Sonic stuff is genuinely fun when it's focused on that at least in terms of action but whenever it cuts to the story, it's generic family movie stuff that actively seems to want to take the attention off the cartoon characters people are here to see.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@SpedeVesku but not a single Godzilla product since them has been on the level of that original movie so does it matter?

[@biggerdoofus]

This was the opinion I had about Constantine when I finally got around to watching it recently.

[@onionfragments]

Bob raises a good point. Why don’t they just make animated Sonic films? There’s no reason to make Sonic into a lame ass live action Smurf film. The series has got plenty of lore and story to adapt without bastardizing it the way these films do

[@artfire28]

Personally, I thought live-action Sonic wouldn't work due to backlash of character designs. But Paramount showed they want to please the audience. And now here we are with the 3rd film.

[@movielover7565]

Exactly

[@onionfragments]

@@artfire28 well, like Bob said, I wish the fans would ask for a better script

[@galten7361]

@onionfragments They were always trying to make the films into the MCU/DCEU but with furries and a side of E.T./road trips/"toon in real world."

[@maydaymemer4660]

Because Sonic’s world would be ungodly expensive to make fully CGI and famously audiences have trouble connecting to films that are solely about animals. With these films they manage to make them relatively cheap and slowly introduce weirder elements. Plus part of the literal lore of Sonic post-Adventure is that he lives on Earth among humans And i mean like they just adapted SA2’s like entire arc and storyline rather faithfully, i dont understand how this is a bastardization but when the Marvel movies change entire characters appearances, powers, origins and personalities it’s brilliant because comics are dumb and terrible It’s very elitist for you and Bob to say “I wish theyd ask for a better script” when the fans pretty much have asked for years to do the shonen tone, make Knuckles a badass again and take characters like Shadow seriously. Would it be a better film if they stopped every few seconds to do a video game membah this setpiece like the mario movie that Bob loved?

[@benwasserman8223]

If I didn't know any better, I'd say Bob is frustrated that these Sonic movies keep on doing well and being well-received to the point that he's stuck in the minority opinion. I won't call them the best movies ever, but they definitely get better per entry.

[@ryukagesama]

The majority opinion is that these movies, and just about any other singular movie franchise, aren't even worth having an opinion on. You'll have to narrow down which groups of people you're talking about.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

I don't think he's frustrated with that. If anything, it's more frustrating that due to the utter state of the Sonic fandom in regards to these movies, him just not liking it leads to bad take after bad take of people trying to discredit his opinion, uncalled for personal attacks and so on all because he had the sheer audacity to... not like the movie with the bipedal blue hedgehog.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@the-aspiring-creator4249 the guy was seething about these films for years with anything he could throw at them, he literally at one point complained sonic is friends with a cop. The guy who likes Marvel movies complaining about bootlicking in blockbusters!

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 Seething? Sounds to me you just are applying this because you don't like that he said some shit about a Sonic the Hedgehog movie. Grow up.

[@galten7361]

@@maydaymemer4660 "literally at one point complained sonic is friends with a cop." Yeah since the movies are not even bothering being subtle about how it portrays police. Tom, a policeman in "Small Town America" with a nuclear family and picket fence, is repeatedly presented as a source for values that Sonic has (who actively runs around being a vigilante stopping bank robbers and whatever the new supervillain is).

[@MichaelJones-rz5sw]

I pretty much skip Bob's videos when it comes to Sonic. Bob growing up was a Nintendo, and as someone who has watched Bob for the past 10+ years, this hasn't changed much at all.

[@spurguvitunhuora9119]

We can propably tell future generations that none of these were released in theaters and they will believe it after one second glance at a trailer.

[@maydaymemer4660]

You could literally say that about anything made for kids and with animation

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

Hey, Bob, remember that we're both MSTies... even bad art can be good fun. And I'm here 'cos my fiance is a Sonic fan... and because I love Jim Carrey as Robotnik.

[@jadedheartsz]

these movies are good art, that Mario movie is meh at best.

[@SBCLyricist]

Your trying so hard to be different for views it’s actually sad, ima pray for you

[@dudere]

Good for Bob managing to break his record for "Most disliked video of 2024" right before the buzzer. I don't have the balls to say "I don't like sonic" out loud anymore. I can't imagine recording it.

[@ZoanBlade90]

Oh ho, *"Sega does what Nintendon't!"* Sonic: That is not your slogan, dude!

[@samturner5447]

The sonic movies ARE bad... so are the games... they still have charm, and im there for it

[@Sintra4]

You know you genuinely enjoy something when you get really angry and defensive at someone not "getting it." The "to put this review into context" comments are no more mature, by the way, since the "context" you're providing is just insults and presumptions of bias. The Sonic movies don't need you defending their honor in the comments of a negative-ish video review. Stop repeating the behaviors that people are critical of, and you might find that people stop making those criticisms that've been upsetting you so much. Or, just keep commenting, like throwing one more "this guy's dumb" in the pile makes a difference to anything apart from the critic's KZbin analytics.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I think i can lie on my death bed not really having any regret in my heart about joining a pile on of a moviebob review, the guy who still hasnt gotten over kids in class saying “you like mario? Shit’s gay, sonic is better”

[@ShaunHjj]

He attacks the fans for wanting the movie to be faithful to the games, so NOW they're the problem. You're just as bad as he. Stop defending a vile, miserable old man's behavior. It's embarrassing.

[@dekopuma]

Bob, I generally agree. but the movie had the line "Spacious and crustaceous" which is honestly one of the best bits of writing I've heard all year.

[@AnnCatsanndra]

"Uninteresting friends" yeah uhhh, you don't need my watchtime that bad lol

[@Markunator]

Aww, is he ”teh bias!!!1”?

[@jadedheartsz]

@@Markunator Bob is clearly still stuck in the old "Mario vs Sonic" mentality, dude needs to grow up.

[@Markunator]

@@jadedheartsz Prove it.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@Markunator just read or watch just about anything Bob has ever said about Sonic in the past, his own ignorance is proof enough.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

​@@jadedheartsz what about your ignorance

[@galten7361]

Both James Cameron and John Carpenter would have made a Sonic movie more in line with the games' themes/style rather than the MCU/DCEU (and E.T. and road trip/toon in real world) with furries.

[@maydaymemer4660]

That wouldnt be a bad idea but so far the films have gotten more game accurate over time

[@danielpagan2848]

Currently 85% on rotten tomatoes despite the negative reviews from people who don’t care for these movies. You wouldn’t ask someone who doesn’t care about football “how was the game?” You rather ask someone who does to get an accurate description of what happened. All these reviews from people who have no interest in the franchise but review it anyway for clicks and a paycheck are pointless to listen to.

[@Jayfive276]

If the RT reviews are so good why do you care what a low tier KZbinr thinks?

[@danielpagan2848]

@ Well that’s my point, why would you listen to someone who doesn’t care about painting talk about painting? He doesn’t have an appreciation for these movies so why listen to this kind of review if you are interested in them?

[@ryukagesama]

@@danielpagan2848 So why are YOU here?

[@Del_S]

@@ryukagesama Why are we all here? Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?

[@QoS230]

​@ryukagesama it feels like this has been posted in a Sonic group so fans can attack someone who doesn't like what they like

[@nilus2k]

This feels like Bobs Nintendo fanboy coming out pretty hard. These movies aren’t great but they are on par with the Mario movie. They aren’t made for adult fans. They are made for kids. I also strongly suspect ugly Sonic was never the plan for the movie. I think it was gorilla marketing.

[@3faltigeralexandro]

@@nilus2k Yeah, kids absolutely love a story about Sonic helping some loser shlop avoid getting dumped by his GF, and Jim Carey (I refuse to call him Dr. Robotnik, because he has nothing to do with that character) working through his daddy issues. That is *way* more interesting than him fighting an evil scientist who wants to conquer the world with space lasers and an army of robotic animals. Kids go wild for mild romcom plots. /sarcasm

[@maydaymemer4660]

Guerrilla, and yea i agree @3faltigeralexandro well youre in luck because the plot of the third film is literally him wanting to conquer the world using a giant space laser I get that the first Sonic movie is very Alvin and the Chipmunks but it’s weird to still be ragging on that when the franchise almost immediately moved onto adapting the games wholesale. Hell if the post credits are any indication Eggman will be using an army of robotic animals so theyve essentially done exactly what you wanted and youre still pissed

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

Nope, Ugly Sonic was seriously what they considered. Paramount figured the fan backlash would be there but hey, fans whined about the Transformers and the 2014 TMNT and those films made bank, really the only things they did for those two was change Megatron's face design in the first into something with a more defined face and the TMNT weren't aliens. It was when the general public cited how horrifying that thing was they chose to redesign it, figuring that it would be the death knell otherwise for the film.

[@nilus2k]

@ My kids loved the first two. I’m sure they will like the third one

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@nilus2k Of course they will because kids are not critics. They generally don't judge something too harshly unless it really is that bad. If it entertains them, they'll like it. But it's not a defense against criticism to say "Well they're not made for us.". Of course but that doesn't mean a kids film can't be fun or engaging. That's most of Pixar's catalogue for goodness' sake or the old Disney films from their prime.

[@shoxy-the-pinecone6113]

Dude is fully a self parody by this point

[@Rubberman202]

Leaving a comment and a like to support Bob, but I'm not really gonna watch/listen to the video. Having heard his opinions on Sonic and in particular the Sonic movies in the past, I have a pretty good idea about what he'll think of this movie, and while I respect Bob's opinions on these things, I'd rather not be dragged down like that again, sorry. That's not to say I'm the biggest fan of these movies, in fact the first movie just barely passes being OK for me, and I'm not as big a Sonic fan as I used to be. I just want to be able to pick and choose what will get me down, especially after this election and the coming 4 years, and given that a lot of people, both Sonic fans and non-Sonic fans, seem to be excited and genuinely happy about this movie, I'd like to keep that level of positivity... for myself, of course, how anyone else should feel about the movie is fine too, obviously.

[@Klunkyman]

Bad or not, I'm still gonna have to see it with my whole family since the kids wanna go

[@jadedheartsz]

it's damn good, ignore Bob's lame review.

[@michaelfang1393]

10/10 coming from me who seen the screening already Positives: - Sonic and friends relationship staying strong -Shadow's Dark Beginnings story -The comedy works -A fight sequence equivalent to Goku vs Majin Buu - THEY GONNA PISS ON THE MOON - Jim Carrey being able to play Ivo as a comedy and Gerald as a serious guy -Cons - Maria....why was she there in the first place as they would explain her conditions in the games....

[@xbox1445]

These are dumb movies, but I honestly liked both much better than the Mario Movie. That one felt really soulless, peaches did nothing for me and it was "fine". As streaming slop, both Sonic movies are at least cuter in my opinion.

[@DigeeTheGenie]

"Oh, how could I be so lucky to find myself once again in the company of both Cloud (Bob)...and a giant robot (This franchise in particular)? Will things be the same or different?" ... "A mix of both, it seems."

[@Cranster18]

Does he think Keanu Reeves will watch this and go to Boston John Wick style in real life?

[@michaelfang1393]

Bob just wanna see black and white films...

[@maydaymemer4660]

Nah he just wants Marvel slop

[@LongcrierInProgress]

Man, how long are you going to hold onto your personal Vietnam, Bob?

[@ctrtoken]

I still enjoyed the first two more than that Mario movie. 🤷‍♂

[@kingboobs20]

Which he gave rave reviews to despite being one big nothing of a movie, the fact Nintendo didn't even pay him to do it (he's already got Disney movie) is the saddest part.

[@galten7361]

@ctrtoken Neither were special and the Sonic movies have a policeman as Sonic's parent to lecture him.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@galten7361 mad that theyre teaching kids to get a policeman instead of getting in your van?

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

While I have not seen Sonic 3 yet (I do hope it's good and to see it soon.), I have seen Sonic 1 and 2 and frankly, I do not get the obsessive ride-or-die mentality fans seem to have when discussing these movies and this approach to opposing criticism. "Oh you like the Mario movie so opinions are invalid yada yada." Or maybe, just maybe. The person has a different opinion. They just don't like a movie and that's okay. Reviews are about the individual video creator, writer or whatever telling you what THEY thought of it. You are free to take it or leave it, it's not that deep. If they have a take you disagree with? You just disagree with it, it's fine. That's how reviews work, people can disagree. If you ADORE this movie? Keep adoring it! Most critics worth their salt would tell you to keep enjoying it because to let a critic shape your thoughts about a movie is to toss aside your ability to just have an opinion. Critics are not arbiters of objectivity, it's still subjective as all reviews are. Speaking as an admitted grump who when it comes to Sonic I struggle to vibe with it these days, I've tried to get into the Sonic movies and frankly the more I've tried, while there are positives? It still disappoints me to no end that these movies are basically 90s adaptations being made in modern times. They're barely Sonic movies, they're generic family movies you watch through hoping to get just the tiniest nugget of Sonic stuff and when you get it, you clap, you smile... and then it's immediately followed up by some of the most cringe-inducing, sometimes PAINFULLY unfunny gags brought about Jim Carrey playing himself and not Dr. Eggman, James Marsden probably really hoping he's getting a good check for this and the Sonic crew... being fine overall but mostly reduced to family movie tropes. Hell, I remember my reaction to the Sonic 3 trailer. Truth be told, I wasn't hyped but I knew I'd check it out because I love Shadow and the trailer is a microcosm of what these movies are. The Shadow stuff is great, it got me really pumped. Seeing him ride a motorcycle brought back my nostalgia for his edgelord game that I still kinda dig today, I was impressed that we are actually going full hog (No pun intended) on the Maria stuff. It had my attention... And it friggin' lost me the MOMENT Carrey's Eggman showed up and it further lost me with the reveal Gerald is alive and that he's also Jim Carrey, meaning we were in for double the cringe. Honestly? This is the family movie equivalent of the Transformers films to me. Sure they don't have the Michael Bay vibes, they're not offensive, they're not the worst movies I've ever watched, they are fine... but goddamn I am so done with these movies and their drip-feeding of Sonic content, them just jingling keys in my face. The Mario movie was flawed, very flawed but I still go to bat for it because it is Mario to the core. It is unashamed of the franchise it's based on and it embraces it. Transformers One earlier this year was fantastic because it's a movie that adores the series it's based on and doesn't compromise. The Sonic movies really feel like they are a tug of war between those that actually want to make a dope Sonic movie and Paramount execs who just want their family movie franchise.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Youre completely right and I agree with all of this, the films do have a 90s vibe that seems like it’s there to catch the stray adults who go “oh i remember sonic” land the series is essentially having to heavily compromise its identity because it really has two different films it has to make: it has to adapt the games while also having to be a sequel to a pretty generic family film However i think the comments and my problems have with Bob’s take specifically is the vibe I have always got from him is that he doesnt like Sonic on a conceptual level. His book says he viewed Mario as something important to his childhood, that having Nintendo validated as a cultural mainstay helped his mental health and that thusly Sonic showing up made him resentful of that franchise. That sort of bias seeps into his critique, where to him anything Sonic is graded on a curve where it has to be flawless in order to bypass his view of Sonic as Poochie 2.0 Like it feels like Bob has a very low standard for a Mario or Godzilla movie (“I clapped when I saw Rainbow Road/Mothra!”) but then gets annoyed because “You CANT have an edgy talking animal with a gun and a melodramatic tragic backstory (unless youre rocket raccoon)”. Like criticizing how one is handled well and one isnt is fine, not even bothering to engage with the other because youre just viscerally against it is weird And again Sonic fans should calm down. Bob’s in the minority here. The movie is doing fine critically and will make a ton of money, as sad as it is to get excited for financial results of a children’s film. I just personally find the psychology of it fascinating and enjoy the pile on

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 To be fair, his book is primarily reflective of his life and really, we all have ridiculous feelings like that. People are lying if they are saying they were never bothered by ridiculous meaningless crap like that. Heck, I still see people today who will froth at the mouth the moment someone says something as innocuous as say "I didn't really care for Dragon Ball.". I don't get the feeling of this bias seeping into the critique. That being said, if you go looking, it's not hard to just project that onto the review because if you're going into something to invalidate it, you're often looking for those reasons. I also don't think he has a low standard. I remember when he talked about the Mario movie before it came out and repeatedly said how he really wasn't that thrilled about it because he wasn't looking forward to a Mario movie made by the studio behind the Minions. Then the movie came out, he saw it and he liked it overall. It was the games brought to life and with such an earnest and genuinely sense of love from the crew behind it. With Godzilla, he adored Minus One which takes the character seriously with his problems with 2014 being that he found it drab, boring and overly long and enjoyed King of the Monsters because for him, he liked the story and the giant monster stuff that it had, even disagreeing with fellow critics about it having no substance. He even basically said that the stuff involving the humans in Godzilla vs. Kong was overall weaker to him. The thing about reviews is they are subjective. You have what you like and what you don't like and they are based on your opinion, it's simple as that. I don't enjoy the pile on. I look at it and I see nothing but children being bratty that someone doesn't like the shiny new toy they all like. Children who frankly should learn that opinions exist and that it is totally okay for people to disagree. To say "You don't get it." or "You just have a bias." is childish when really they could just keep loving the movie. I mean, speaking for myself, I personally love Godzilla 2014. I was not bugged by Bob's review. I really like a lot of movies that he has trashed but it doesn't bug me because we're different people with different tastes, experiences and so on that shape how we look at things.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Yea but theres the thing, he likes the mario movie because it “has love for the games”. Thats just these movies. Same problems with just being setpiece after setpiece of membah that, but because it’s Mario he’s down to clown with it. Like surely he should have higher standards than “they liked the games” when making a movie of his favorite franchise? I love Hitman, for example, if they made a TV show just recreating some of the most iconic kills I wouldnt give them a pass because it was made out of love

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 He noted with Mario though he wasn't sure about it when they first announced it, especially because it was gonna be made by Illumination. Hell his review explained it nice and plainly. He found that movie was good in the same way modern Mario games were in that it's exactly what it says it is, does everything pretty well and brings over elements of the games faithfully. He noted it's the Mario movie he'd have loved as a kid but that as an adult, it's enjoyable that's most notable for how young it skews. He acknowledged the fact it plays things safe but that it has heart where it counts. This argument really falls flat because it misses a big factor about opinions and reviews. Subjectivity is king here. Objectivity may come in as far as pointing out genuine mistakes like say changing times of day between cuts but the rating is determined primarily by overall enjoyment. It's not a matter of standards and frankly critics aside from the truly snobbish have long since dropped this idea that they have ridiculously high standards.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Sure but what youve basically saying is that Bobs standards are the Sonic movies have to be flawless and the Mario movies just have to do the bare minimum because it reminds him of the thing he likes. Well clearly they could do better as most professional critics have rated every Sonic film higher than every Mario film so far. So like MAYBE making a film with a plot and character arcs instead of the DK rap would be a better idea?

[@Danielm219]

Really have no idea why people give you shit for it? You sit and trash fun entertaining movies like this, but whatever diarrhoea Disney is crapping out you give recommendations? I mean go figure why people give it to you lol

[@ShaunHjj]

Moviebob is a Disney simp and he doesn't even try to hide it. He's a clown.

[@galten7361]

@Danielm219 It's not that solid of a movie and he's not into Sonic as a franchise overall. I'm sure if he trashed the DCEU again you'd be fine with it.

[@movielover7565]

Aww. Someone's mad. This is one of the only reviewers I've seen where they're actually right in their sonic 3 review. It's not a good film. It's like Thor 4 level. But of course you'd give this garbage a pass for some reason. This film has a generic lazy predictable story/plot, bad writing, generic mid action sequences, crappy predictable dialogue that isn't good, unfunny cringey kiddy humor, and etc.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@movielover7565 of course you can predict a plot based off a game from 2001 bro lmao

[@Rikmach]

To be fair, the Sonic *games* can't seem to decide if G.U.N. is good guys or bad guys.

[@galten7361]

@Rikmach G.U.N. in game canon is a representation of militarism and hence were strictly antagonists in the games where they were actually important. The movies being superheroes with furries portray G.U.N. as more akin to S.H.I.E.L.D. where single members of them might be portrayed as corrupt or murderous but the organization itself is written as a force the heroes will actively work for. Them establishing in Sonic Movie 2 that Walters and Co.'s G.U.N. at least is new and the third movie not doing the "Sonic gets arrested from Shadow accidentally framing him" means a lot of what made the organization in Adventure 2 and Shadow's game be portrayed how it was be lost.

[@BardicLasher]

Well, they're not. They're the government. They're a third, separate thing.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@galten7361 Shadow and Rouge who are good guys literally work with GUN and have for years. Part of Shadow’s arc in his solo game was letting go of the past which involved making peace with GUN and now as of Shadow Gens while he doesnt like the GUN Commander the Commander is more than willing to help out Shadow or at least be fine with him using GUN tech for the greater good Youre like Moviebob’s alt or something

[@ThePonderer]

ngl I find it really really funny that Bob expects anyone to be hung up on the mere premise of Shadow the Hedgehog as a character in 2024, as if he hasn’t been extremely well known and beloved by 99.9% of this film’s target audience for literal decades now.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Plus the thing with Shadow is I think people are sort of over rolling their eyes at a silly character. Rocket Raccoon is a beloved character too and “gruff talking animal with a gun and a dark backstory” is like half of what describes both him and Shadow

[@RaddChad]

😂😂😂 this review is a joke lol

[@TomVCunningham]

Yeah they're bad. But they're "good" bad.

[@ktownshutdown21]

I get having negative feelings about the first one, it was basically just another generic Fish Out Of Water kid's movie, but I feel like with the other two they've done a lot more to embrace the full scope of the games and also the uniqueness of its new cinematic world. Lee Majdoub has been a fun breakout character as Jim Carrey's henchman, who himself has been more alive than he has been in years. They're doing exactly what these movies should be doing; they SHOULD be sidelining the human characters more to the side, now that the introductions are out of the way, so that more of the fantastical action stuff can take the floor. I don't know what else you could really ask out of these films unless you're just that fundamentally against the premise of Sonic the Hedgehog altogether, in which I don't get why he's the line compared to any other wacky video game IP.

[@moviebobcentral]

They DON'T sideline the humans, though. They keep finding excuses for more of them: More extraneous G.U.N. characters who don't do anything (but who Sonic seems to have relationships to?), Tom having to come on the missions for no reason, cutaway cameos for Knuckles TV friend, the sister and Shermar Moore again via very contrived means, THREE separate extended physical-comedy sequences that are just Jim Carrey "doing business opposite Jim Carrey;" and almost all of it very clearly blocked/timed for "This is less expensive than the three CGI characters" 🤷‍♂️

[@maydaymemer4660]

@moviebob did you seriously just complain that Jim Carrey is in the movie as a major character?

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 That's not at all what he said. He noted three separate extended sequences that are just Jim Carrey doing business opposite Jim Carrey as in... it's literally just Jim Carrey doing the schtick he does in a way where you can tell is because they know how expensive it is to animate the bipedal furries.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@the-aspiring-creator4249 Jim Carrey is like THE major draw of these films for adult fans. Idk who is having a problem with the main villain of the franchise, played by a great comedic actor, mugging it up when he comes out of retirment for these films. It’s not like he’s playing idk Princess Elise and we’re cutting to some subplot. You go to the film for wacky Jim Carrey and wacky furry animals. It’s the other humans people dont care for

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 To be fair, it really depends on your taste. I know Jim Carrey was a draw with the first movie because it's the first time in a good while the man has gotten to go wild with a role so if you like Jim Carrey, it's not that noticeable. Hell I like me some Carrey. That being said, while I don't know how 3 handles it? I know at the very least I HATE Carrey in these movies because he's not playing Dr. Eggman. He's just Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey, meaning he's right alongside the other humans as someone I don't care about. I remember when the first movie ended and he showed signs that he could do Eggman well but then he went back to the mugging and the dancing and I think by this point it's just tiring.

[@ryantanner48]

This is coming from the same guy that calls other people "stupid" for not liking Disney Star Wars. Yeah, if Bob hates it, then it must be good.

[@Seanzy121]

Christ, you can here the bitter Nintendo fan boy

[@MaxHP1]

Bob Chipman is in his 40s. "Breaking" news at 11

[@maydaymemer4660]

He cosplays as Mario

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 And? Older ladies, gentlemen and all in-between cosplay. It's not a dunk.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@the-aspiring-creator4249 im sorry but are you seriously defending one of the most embarassing images he’s ever put out?

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 Yes because the idea we're honest-to-God using a guy just being in cosplay to mock him is ridiculous. Cosplay's done by people of all ages, genders, races and creeds and nobody would honestly care unless it's someone they hate and frankly I don't believe in doing something so petty.

[@GregoryMills-ht2td]

Bob doesn't like things that other people.

[@louisduarte8763]

Don't worry, Bob, a lot of us thought Shadow the Hedgehog was stupid when he debuted.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Glad ure in the minority

[@ShaunHjj]

Glad you're a nobody then.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Wait... so... blue furry sonic movie refs yellow furry pikachu movie? That's like when Will smith was in that terrible netflix thing about elves and orcs living in modern times and Will Smith mentions Shrek lol. Mann that was just... Awful...

[@jadedheartsz]

nah it's fine.

[@galten7361]

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Movies could have used a scene where Tom tells Sonic he needs to spindash protestors

[@bluemog9]

Kristen Ritter is playing Edie Falco from Avatar 2 in Sonic 3.

[@claytonrios1]

He'll never like these movies will he?

[@troyjardine5850]

I swear, if he gives Mufasa a better review than this, he'll loose ALL credibility as a critic!

[@scruz6293]

Of course not he’s normal.

[@Markunator]

Maybe if they actually become _good,_ he will. But the three that have been released so far? No, he will never like them.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@Markunator they are damn good, most critics like them, Bob is very much the outlier here.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

​@@Markunator doubtful considering he doesn't really seem to care for Sonic overall.

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

Dang you act like these films have personally attacked you. Look I get they are not high art or anything, but they clearly know their audience. I don't expect to you love it or give it a high score, but to look down on the fans and mock what they like about these films are based upon is kinda low blow. Not to mention you are kinda a hypocrite here. After all the things you mock here are also done within the American Kaiju Monsterverse films you enjoyed despite also being "dumb fun" or also have "dumb" convoluted explainations, annoying screen hogging human characters, and cgi animal characters, (some of which also change color), that the fans actually are here for & want to see more of. Look its okay not like the film and rate for the flaws it genuinely has but to act like its strange for fans to enjoy their favorite media is finally being adapted on the big screen and call them "alleged adults for losing their shit" in a mocking tone. When you yourself earnestly enjoyed a monster wrestlefest several times in a row while other critics acted highbrow and bemoaned the lack of "serious storytelling". You literally lambasted them for doing such with the whole Minus One vs GodzillaxKong Empire debacle, yet here you are.

[@stevesan]

I enjoyed the sonic movies. Meh.

[@ojnib]

Sometimes, ok is enough.

[@archer1949]

What is it with The Sonic franchise, in particular, that created such a weird, rabid fanbase? It’s something I’ve wondered for decades.

[@jadedheartsz]

Bob is dead wrong, the fanbase isn't "Weird" and "Rabid' at all, but Bob's lame review certainly is.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Replayability breeds sever autismo

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Mostly just games own turbulent history of quality.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

It's a refuge for bullied kids who can't grow, and they circle the wagons any time someone suggests they raise their standards because "it's just fun" they chant, to avoid having to think about their positions.

[@kingboobs20]

A lot of people actually like the movies and Bob meanwhile is a 40+ year old Nintendo fanboy who hasn't moved on after 30 years and still has an axe to grind against a company that doesn't even make consoles anymore because they had the audacity to go after his precious Nintendo... 30 years ago. He is every negative nerd AND SJW stereotype rolled into one person, it really is sad.

[@Izlude84]

I had sonic and tails painted on my wall as a kid. My love and nostalgia sits firmly in the genesis era. I thoroughly enjoyed the first one, given that my faith in this sort of project from Hollywood was abysmally low. I will probably watch 2, eventually... And 3 eventually on stream. I hope I like it lol

[@jadedheartsz]

2 is really good actually and i'm saying this as someone whose first game was Sonic 2.

[@mesektet5776]

No offense to the Sonic movies specifically or the fandom but... it really does feel like a bunch of people made a movie and instructed the actors to look in certain directions and re-act to an actor off-stage who will reads the lines, and the producers just said, 'Right, and add an animated character based on what franchise gives us money.' and it just gets sold to Hop, Alvin And The Chipmunks, or Sonic as the movies get made.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Thats definitely true of the first, but by the second and especially this entry theyre outright adapting game storylines

[@galten7361]

@@maydaymemer4660 I too associate Sonic with Small Town America and lectures on responsibility.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@galten7361 dude im pretty sure taking responsibility for your actions was a theme of like five different sonic games. Plus Sonic took a picture with the president for god sake And like small town america? Bro in satam he lived in a small town in the woods

[@Tquintv]

9:06 did Bob just Discord blip us? 👀

[@NightAtTheOpera3]

100%

[@Axle911]

Being old like bob it's insane that younger people have decided to unironically like Shadow

[@mash5a]

It's a trauma response from an entire generation of people who actually played AND completed Shadow The Hedgehog (2005). My favorite gun rat will always be Ratchet, but his games never had Crush 40 fucking up the soundtrack 😈

[@mattemactics1280]

The Irony is about 10 layers deep. Also this stories popularity was helped by the snap cube sonic fan dubs.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

People are embracing unironically liking things.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Shadow was always good, his original arc in SA2 is like THE Sonic storyline that the fans like which had all the iconic shonen moments. Your perception of Shadow is based around a game from 2005 you never played I just find it funny how old people will say “ew shadow such an edgy character” and then fawn over Rocket Racoon: a gruff, edgy talking animal with a dark backstory who uses guns

[@maydaymemer4660]

@mattematics nah sonic’s fanbase of millenials had SA2 as their first game. Why do you think Snapcube dubbed that game? Because the girl who runs the channel grew up with it

[@willowpackerthestoryteller135]

My God this comments section. Glad the Sonic fans love it. Also people, Bob is allowed to dislike things. The numbers aren't objective, they literally mean scale of 1 to 10 how much he likes something. Then as the audience we go, "how much do I align with Bob in this or that taste" and roll with it.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I think it’s the “hating sonic because he was bullied at school for liking mario” energy people dont like. The score is fine

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 But you see, that only is coming up because of his dislike of a movie, that's the thing here. People wouldn't care if he did like it, they wouldn't bring up his opinions on the Mario movie or other films if he liked it. It's this mentality that a review has to reflect what the viewer thinks or what general consensus is instead of respecting that it's an individual's take.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@the-aspiring-creator4249 bob can have his opinions, but his opinions are just incongruent with what we know of him. Dude fought himself in pajamas in the woods in his late 30s and is pretending he doesnt see the appeal in fighting a darker version of yourself

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 I've seen reviewers fight themselves dressed as slasher villains, monsters, portray themselves with absurd powers from other media. That's really not a slight and it doesn't show the opinions are incongruent.

[@cowetascore8476]

Im 51. Love these and I hate crappy movies. Sooooooo F YOU BOB!

[@onionfragments]

You’re 51 and you’re white-knighting in a KZbin comments section for a review of a movie about a farting blue rat?

[@maydaymemer4660]

@onionfragments sorry bro but as a zoomer i will ride or die for Shadow the Hedgehog, a fictional hedgehog with a gun

[@Monotreme101]

Bob you could just say " i like mario..." instead of pretending to review this. Like... anyone who's watched any of your stuff knows you probably have a Princess Peach body pillow or whatever. We don't expect objectivity from you when it comes to this franchise. Also, didn't you make a goofy internet series with an evil version of yourself as a character? Like... shouldn't that basically disqualify you from making like 90% of these comments in the first place?

[@3faltigeralexandro]

The problem is: even for Sonic fans there isn't really anything in those movies. The writers don't respect the lore, instead Sonic is helping some loser repair his marriage, or Robotnik is working through his daddy issues, or some weaksauce shit no self-respecting Sonic-fan cares about. Reminded me of the 1987 MotU movie, that also had Zilch to do with MotU.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@3daltigeralexandro the fanbase is loving this third movie for being a straight adaption of their favorite storyline, but those first two movies ive not heard the fanbase say a bad word about. They have nitpicks sure, but by sonic fans standards theyre “peak” as the kids say

[@maydaymemer4660]

Also mono that is an EXTREMELY good point. In fact like a ton of stuff he claims about the sonic series (making too many nemesis characters, basing each design off the same mold) are stuff he does in the Game Overthinker series. And I know he can say “well im an amateur so they should know better” but my point is Bob uses these tropes in his work because i think he understands on some level the appeal of them but he doesnt lend that same faith to the sonic films

[@3faltigeralexandro]

@@maydaymemer4660 Which storyline would that be? Those movies have no story to speak of.

[@Monotreme101]

@3faltigeralexandro I'd disagree - I've been a Sonic fan since the beginning and have been through pretty much every iteration of the franchise. I enjoy this version of it just fine. Is it the Sonic movie franchise I'd write as a fan? No. But it's good anyway. The thing is, die-hard Sonic fans are a small percentage of the movie going public... if you make a film designed to appeal strictly to them, you're genuinely not going to have a critical or commercial success. You need all the other, mostly human, nonsense to ground the movie enough that your average person who gives 0 shits about the in-game lore can find something to enjoy.

[@CJTheReal]

Look bob, I get it. You’re a Nintendo kid. But you gave a glowing review to Mario and that objectively sucked. I don’t really trust your opinion on Sonic.

[@jordanloux3883]

So do Robotnik and Stone finally kiss?

[@jadedheartsz]

troll

[@dennisflood7246]

Hope so.

[@michaelfang1393]

Spoiler: No. But get your tissues ready...

[@QoS230]

I always forget Sonic fans are this rabid about anything but uncritical praise.

[@maydaymemer4660]

Sonic fans are more critical than anyone about sonic. I mean they bullied a film studio into changing the design (jk)

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 That's the thing though. Unless it's something like that? Any time somebody seems to be just even mildly critical on Sonic, they attack.

[@Americanbadashh]

That's half of the fandom. The other half thinks anything beyond CD/Mania is dogshit

[@maydaymemer4660]

@the-aspiring-creator4249 i forget, when any other fandom has people who say their thing sucks they throw a party My guy, youre a transformers fan. Ive seen you guys get mad when someone doesnt like your toy commercial

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 To be fair, I will clown on my fellow fans because indeed, the TF fandom can be ridiculous... though it's a different breed of ridiculous. We do have people who freak out when others say our series sucks but it's more that we have so many different classes of TF fans and multiple levels of infighting. Like if you think the war between Classic and Modern Sonic fans gets tiring? Oh lord, TF has that in a way higher quantity whether it's G1 fans that hate everything that's not from the 1980s, Movie fans who hate it when someone just notes their disdain for the Bay films and insist that was when the franchise was best because it took itself seriously, Prime fans who'll get uppity whenever someone doesn't call their show a masterpiece and to be fair? We did have people who when some critics noted not liking Transformers One pulled the same thing as Sonic fans and shat on them. It's a problem all fandoms to a degree of people not understanding how reviews work and individual opinions. However, they are not the focus right now, the focus is on the ridiculousness of some Sonic fans.

[@phantomstrider]

As a biased 30-year sonic fan, I actually also think these movies are not very good 😄 But I still like that these movies exist as I'm just happy to see my blue hero being taken seriously and not like a joke like he was in the 06 days 😄 I feel like these sonic movies are just "good enough." The characters are likable and the movies more than clear the low bar that video game have set.

[@kerricaine]

the sonic movies are my favourite "fun stupid movies". they're dumb, goofy but you can tell that they were made with a sort of sincerity and love for the characters that you don't normally get. they don't have to be good movies for them to be enjoyable movies

[@phantomstrider]

@@kerricaine Yeah I think that earnesty is always what catches me off guard with these movies too. Alot of people logically acknowledge "these movies are stupid fun" but they're made with such an unabashed passion for the source material that charm wins it a few points with critics and *alot* of points with fans 😄

[@maydaymemer4660]

Yea i would agree phantom, sonic attracts such a passionate fanbase because it’s so geniune in all its ridiculous cheesiness but i then think that filters people who expect funny talking animals to not be in these kinds of storylines without a wink to the camera

[@galten7361]

@@maydaymemer4660 John Carpenter or James Cameron would have made a more suitable Sonic film.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I dont disagree galten with regards to john carpenter, dude’s a massive fan of sonic, but why cameron?

[@StefanDByerley]

For a man who wrote, "In my memories, the Great Console Wars dragged on like my own private Vietnam," it sounds like he's having PTSD flashbacks of that war over the existence of Sonic movies. I understand someone not liking the Sonic movies and thinking they fall short of something. (Hell, for me no Sonic TV/movie has risen to the heights of SATAM Sonic TV series yet, so I get it. Very few of the movies really hold up well for me in the re-watch either.) But to rant about the movie like it's a 2/10 and disrespect everyone who likes it, only to then turn around and give it a 5/10 anyway really speaks to something here. I would have saved my energy by simply giving a silent shoulder shrug and wordlessly flashing the 5/10 score at the end. Sure, it's probably better to flesh out that review more than that, but when the majority of the review script is just a violent flashback to the old "Console Wars," maybe just hire a ghost writer.

[@galten7361]

@StefanDByerley Found the Sally/Bunnie coomer.

[@maydaymemer4660]

You made galten mad lmao

[@ArynWellspring]

Watching Moviebob for opinions on anything that isn’t Marvel or something aggravatingly pretentious (and I am not talking about the films he’s reviewing lol) is an exercise in frustration and futility

[@mathuasher9184]

Folks-n-friends...I do not yet know how you or Bob feels about this movie. And that's cause I just got home at 230 in the morning, you see... The reason I did is that one of my good friends operates the smaller movie theater in my city. Thus, I just got the privilege to see this film in empty movie theater with some of my closest friends. While enjoying the luxuries of sipping my whisky and puffing upon my pen while simultaneously cheering and reacting in a form not traditionally acceptable in movie theaters. So, I just had an amazing movie experience. For me, this was the most hype kid's film I've seen in my 33 years of life. However, that's because I'm very, very biased to love SA2B with my whole heart. I can already kinda guess at the things folks won't like. And it definitely took a lot of creative liberties when adapting stuff to fit as a Part 3 to this film trilogy. But I feel the love seeping out of the art I just watched. And maybe I'm just a hyped up old fool cause I had a good day...also..I'd wager any of your criticisms of the film are quite valid..but, for my part, I will love this film with my whole heart.💙❤️

[@mathuasher9184]

Fresh off Bob's review...Bob is still my GOAT for Film discussion.. haha but darn. I acknowledge my love of a very specific GameCube game that guides my joy tonight. Ty for your candid refreshing take as always Mr. Chipman. Rest well, friends.

[@eicha41624]

They may not be good, but they're fun. And we like fun sometimes

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Cheer for slop, expect more slop.

[@MungkaeX]

Sonic 2 is the high watermark for the games too, so that’s appropriate.

[@Americanbadashh]

Maybe 30 year ago it was

[@MungkaeX]

@ Unless you’re about to say “Sonic Mania is better than Sonic 2,” that’s objectively wrong.🤣

[@maydaymemer4660]

Sonic 3&K is like way better tho

[@MungkaeX]

@@maydaymemer4660 debatable. I find S3&K to be a bit more bloated and less focused of a game than S2. It’s the same reason that Portal is better than Portal 2. How many times in a playthrough of S3&K does the game force you to stand around doing nothing for so long that it triggers Sonic’s idle animation? Too many, that’s for sure. There are a lot of great aspects of S3&K, to the point I’d place it RIGHT behind S2; but it’s held back by being full of so much that should have been left on the cutting room floor. In a parallel universe S3&K was released as a single game, cutting out a lot of fluff and condensing the game into a single superior experience. It’s just not what we got in this universe.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I can respect what youre getting at, Sonic 2 has a quicker pace, i would say youre exaggerating a ton. Sonic 3 just has more interesting exploratory level design while still maintaining a quick pace. The only thing i’d cut is Carnival Night Act 2 and Sandopolis Act 2 which still leaves a rather meaty game which i find easier to replay than Sonic 2. Sonic 2 is excellent but the game stops having real levels once you get to Sky Chase whereas the climax of Sonic 3 is one of the best levels in the franchise

[@CiaphasKirby]

A Sonic movie franchise being made by a bunch of passionate people who cannot make something good for the life of them yet still pulling in a fanbase is insanely meta.

[@maydaymemer4660]

85 percent on RT baybee

[@galten7361]

@@maydaymemer4660 And?

[@maydaymemer4660]

@galten7361 to be a kids animated movie and impress critics is a pretty impressive thing for Sonic, youd think Nintendorks wouldve been able to make a half decent bing bing wahoo movie with a better library of games

[@Jaxomh]

Will we be getting a War if the Rohirim review?

[@ZachBobBob]

I think you nailed it and the Sonic fans are gonna HATE this review. They're a rabid fanbase man

[@maydaymemer4660]

Bob likes disney star wars

[@ZachBobBob]

@maydaymemer4660 He likes the good stuff and they've made a lot of good stuff.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@maydaymemer4660 Bob has also expressed that for Star Wars, he views it like pizza. Even when it's not good, it's still better than the worst of other series. He still had his problems and criticisms. Individuals have tastes. I'm sure you love things that are universally hated or contested.

[@maydaymemer4660]

@the-aspiring-creator4249 very funny thing for a reviewer to admit he doesnt think critically about certain franchises, it’s like the Snowball the Pig of movie reviewers. Theres plenty of pizza i hate; and i love pizza @zachbobbob X to doubt

[@Xecryo]

Can't speak for three because I've yet to see it but I gotta disagree so far these movies, while not high cinema, are frankly better than they had any right to be. Take the first one for instance, I could pick apart the themes of that movie for hours. There's so many little lines that paint this dichotomy between Sonic and Robotnik. They share essentially the same backstory of being alone but veer off as the movie progresses. Robotnik takes the stance of he never had a place so he made his own place above everyone else and has to always knock people down a peg even if they're entirely there to aid and/or obey him. Sonic on the other hand has to go through the usual found family story and at the end of it the lesson is naturally that value isn't about who you put down but who you lift up. Even if you made Sonic ugly again and changed all the names to not be tied to an IP it is a wonderful if flawed movie. They could have cashed in with a shallow "Gotta go fast hedgehog beats robot man" story, they didn't and I love these movies for that.

[@andypanther666]

Detective Pikachu is arguably the best movie based on a video game and yet, it never got a sequel, unlike the aggressively mediocre Sonic movie that came out later and now already has a part 3.

[@maydaymemer4660]

“Aggressively mediocre” i think is the Pokemon Company’s slogan now

[@nickjones9867]

I in no way expectd this to be a good movie because shadow is just a terrible inclusion, but sonic 2 is better than the mario movie. You don't like sonic because you bought into the mario sonic rivalry when you were a child and thats fine, but just accept that you dont like it because its not mario.

[@jadedheartsz]

nah Shadow is a damn good inclusion.

[@JPD2587]

I don’t think it’s Mario fanbiyism. He hates these movies because of the redesign. Bob is a progressive who likes ugly and unappealing things. He takes offence to the redesign because it’s what the audience wanted, and he hates audiences

[@KazeAizen]

@@JPD2587 do you guys ever just take a break and behave like normal humans?

[@jadedheartsz]

@@JPD2587 I don't think it's that simple, Bob likes conventionally attractive things too, it's just more of him holding a grudge against a thing because of fans, he did it with the Cuphead animated series cause people rightfully called out a games journalist(BTW i'm not one of those gamergater types, but that one guy really did suck at the game)for being bad at playing the game and he kinda did it with Mass Effect cause he didn't like the Retake ME3 movement causing the game to get a new ending(and his "respect the artists true vision" argument falls apart considering the actual ME3 writers thought the original ending was dogshit as well).

[@Markunator]

He doesn’t like them because he thinks they suck.

[@foney2000]

I think its the toxic Fandom of Sonic that gets outraged for being objective about the movie.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

It's not really even objectivity since opinions are always subjective as much as reviews are. It is toxic fandom though. Sonic fans of the kind of breed that the internet seems to be swarming with cannot seem to accept in any capacity that there are people out there who just won't like a movie. It can never be a case where you give a thing an honest try and then you just find it doesn't appeal. It has to be that you just are trying to put it down, that you don't desire anyone to be happy because these are the people that put stock into the idea that reviews are objective statements rather than subjective points.

[@maydaymemer4660]

“Objective” = “i think they shouldve stuck with the awful movie design”?