Review: The Most Accurate Watch Ever Made? | Citizen Eco-Drive Cal. 0100

[@CJ-rb3do]

Impressive. Not just the watch, but the quality of the review. This is a review. No one is shouting at me or telling me what the watch is or isn’t. Thank you.

[@SS-bk2zb]

Jack is the best in the business. His articles on Hodinkee website are always top notch. Especially when it comes to Grand Seiko. You can really feel his passion and he has a way with words.

[@harvardford8752]

@Temple of Ridicule go back to your temple fool

[@mosfet500]

​@@SS-bk2zb Too bad he doesn't understand electronics, crystals or accuracy. The frequency of the crystal doesn't determine the accuracy, how the electronics control the crystal does. Watches require LESS temperature compensation because they are worn on the wrist which has a relatively small temperature deviation. Also will this watch be as accurate if it it stored upside down? That's right, the position of the crystal affects its frequency. Crystals also age and their frequency changes over time so this watch won't be as accurate as it is now in 5 years. The reason watch companies today are making more accurate watches has very little to do with the manufacturer and more to do with the advancement in crystal technology which is needed for applications like GPS. An 8 Meg crystal oscillator could not have been made for a watch ten years ago. The reason is that as frequency goes up current draw goes up. So making a $16k watch today, well, it's not such a big feat but the advertising is good and many of the people talking about the technology aren't techies like this reviewer but I'd be happy to debate him if he thinks I'm wrong. How many of you know why the standard watch crystal is 32,768 (he's wrong again, it's not "exactly" if it were the watch would be zero seconds a year off - for - ever). It's because 32,768 is 2^15 which makes dividing down to one second easier for the electronic circuits in the watch. It's not smoke and mirrors it's basic electronic engineering, guys work everyday with these parameters.

[@jpe3180]

Rare these days, isn't it? Most of the reviews or so called features you'll come across are closer to rants than anything else. This is one of the few reviews/features that leaves you with something learned

[@connorkenwright9510]

I also like the lack of energetic music which most reviewers plague their reviews with. Sometimes, even drowning out their own voice at certain times.

[@honghaoliu5548]

Oh my OCD, seeing those watches’ second hand hitting the marker bang on, it’s just so... satisfying

[@markjohnston7869]

The Bulova Precisionist UHF sweeps at 16 beats per second which is smoother than the highest beat automatic and no tick is visible so the issue of hitting the second markers is a non issue.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Really cool watch and great review. Jack proving again why he is one of the best.

[@Lanchoooo]

Teddy Baldassarre classy comment!!! 👍🏽enjoy your reviews as well...

[@Myrslokstok]

Well when they include your collection!

[@UGA.D]

1. Loved it. 2. Wanted it. 3. Saw the price tag. 4. Shat the sofa. 5. Moved it to my, "If money was no object" list.

[@XFHU]

Only 100 worldwide, almost 15k usd

[@davenolan5709]

LOL!? I don't care how accurate this watch is? There is no way I'm paying that price for a quartz movement. I'll buy a Grand Seiko or a Rolex Explorer II for less. 😂🤑

[@XFHU]

@@davenolan5709 actually even grand seiko has quartz movement...

[@davenolan5709]

@@XFHU My understanding is there is a small quartz regulator in the Grand Seiko, but everything else is Automatic movement?

[@XFHU]

@@davenolan5709 grand seiko has three kind of movement: automatic, quartz with a battery, and a hybrid called spring drive. The spring drive just remove the issues related with the battery, such as leaking when the lifetime is over, has precision of the quartz, and the smoothest second hand ever witht the electromagnetic brake when the second hand spin to fast, however it has a little part of elettronic component.

[@tophmelonenlord5915]

Citizen is very underrated. I love that they show off their superior engeneering with this masterpiece.

[@JimIBobIJones]

Its a very western-chauvinistic view. They are huge in Japan and their high end watches do extremely well in that market. They aren't well known because they don't really market their high end quartz outside of Japan and a few other East-Asian markets because there is no real demand for them (especially at high end prices) in the west. There is minimal demand or respect for high accuracy quartz in the west, the technology exists within the Swiss pantheon but is currently looked down on by both watchmakers and consumers. High accuracy quartz technologies have either been essentially wholly abandoned (e.g. CEH movements that were used by the likes of Rolex, Omega and Patek in the 70s and 80s) or been relegated to entry level watches (e.g. ETA's thermoline movements). Punctuality is much more important in Japanese culture and, at least in part due to this, high accuracy watches have much more respect and a much larger market share - when compared to the west where the obsession at the high end is with mechanical movements. Citizen dominates this part of the market, as whilst Seiko also makes high accuracy quartz they are more focused on combining quartz accuracy with mechanical movements (spring drive) than thermocompression. Going purely by income as stand-in for recognition, Citizen is actually well ahead of Seiko in terms of revenue and income.

[@eckergus]

FINALLY!!! A QUARTZ WATCH WITH THE SECOND HAND PERFECTLY LINING UP WITH THE MINUTE MARKINGS!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@piku6427]

Well grand Seikos existed before this.

[@SC-lo5ez]

Omega has aligned second hands on its Seamasters quartz as well.

[@johnq1753]

my 50€ casio duro does that

[@oes2546]

@@SC-lo5ez I have seen an AT with obviously misaligned second hands though. But they better be (and I assume they are) willing to fix it asap for anyone getting a seamaster like that.

[@davec3651]

Grand Seiko are not always spot on. Trust me. And too early to tell if this movement will consistently be constructed so either. However, it is an encouraging sign they bent the seconds hand to emphasize how precisely it lands on each mark. That is showing confidence. But will they be consistently manufactured that way long term?

[@MIAPhilly]

16k? I can be a few seconds late and save 15.9k lol

[@jobber1984]

Haha

[@dev1lm4n63]

16.7k*

[@rob4214]

Or early

[@Quierosaberm]

You've just won a $ 20 buck casio!!!! 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

[@sitrakamatthieu]

Thank u

[@aisuxtime]

Citizen’s dedication to innovation and accuracy has my respect.

[@thesouthslab7566]

Citizen is totally underrated. Their passion and achievement on quartz movement should be recognized as those on automatic movement led by swiss watchmakers

[@eyeofthetiger6002]

Swiss watchmakers are a con still flogging mechanical watches and battery powered quartz watches when solar powered quartz watches should be the de facto standard.

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

The issue is that they put their fantastic movements in completely meh watches, Seiko realised that to get people to spend big money on watches you need more than just accuracy, you need beauty, finishing, and actual luxury, hence the creation of Grand Seiko and Credor. Your average punter is not going to spend this sort of money on a Citizen, they need a luxury brand, their own Grand Seiko.

[@Eikenhorst]

@@Jabber-ig3iw Maybe this is for the person that really wants an understated watch. One that people wouldn't even steal when robbed on the street, but that is at the same time very special indeed. I do agree though that I don't see why you would want this over a spring drive, which offers quite amazing accuracy (compared to mechanical) and the smoothness is great. I still would probably get one from Seiko instead of GS, except their spring drive collection doesn't contain anything like these Citizen watches.

[@techpassion4126]

​@@Eikenhorst I agree too. One thing that a lot of other brands have is variety. Want a GS spring drive? They've got visible patterns, understated ones, and even plain watches with that movement. Want a Casio with a digital dial? You can have it as a rectangle, a circle, some big, some small, some rugged, some clean. These companies and many others offer a variety of designs for the same movements/functions. Citizen should def keep this watch design, but they should also add other designs with this same movement! A look for every kind of watch enthusiast, but with the same incredibly accurate quartz movement that hits the second markers bang on every single time.

[@SWatchik]

Amazing macro, amazing narration, amazing watch. This is a step up over the usual Hodinkee content.

[@SWatchik]

@Temple of Ridicule lmao I'd loved to be paid by Hodinkee if they wanted to, unfortunately I just happened to like the video. Sorry friend

[@SWatchik]

@Temple of Ridicule lmao I'd loved to be paid by Hodinkee if they wanted to, unfortunately I just happened to like the video. Sorry friend

[@otobotrecords]

@Temple of Ridicule I like your positive outlook on life.

[@otobotrecords]

@Temple of Ridicule I'm a realist, and I know about life. But you seem like nothing but a whiny little prick who enjoys to step on each and everyone's toes just to confirm to yourself by their reactions that every one else is a prick. Full disclaimer: I'm not a fan of Hodinkee. At all. But the way you tried to discredit the poster of the genuine comment above is not the way to bring your point across. Other than that, the Citizen watch this video is about doesn't get enough coverage for how great it is an engineering accomplishment.

[@johncraig2684]

@Temple of Ridicule don't know you but i like you.....you'd be a great person to take on all the self righteous sanctimonious wankers out there that i hate. I'd just punch them but you'd just take them apart verbally with microscopic surgical precision..THEN I'D PUNCH THEM.

[@TheKingPhisher]

A lot of people don't understand the point here. Citizen is saying we built a watch that is so precise that it doesn't need to sync to an external source to be extremely accurate.

[@realitykicksin8755]

TheKingPhisher If I don’t understand the point then I guess the watch is not worth it. I have a watch just as accurate with external source correction....I don’t want to be pay $16000 more for something with the same accurate result

[@BitmapFrogs]

@@realitykicksin8755 A watch that synchs with a radio source like the casio's is extremely accurate but is only projecting external accuracy. Some people find interesting/pleasureable that the watch itself is accurate. At the end of the day watches have become essentially outdated/useless since everyone has a phone that is always synched so buying a watch these days is about what you find interesting/you think looks good.

[@ivermec-tin666]

@@BitmapFrogs No. Wristwatches are far from "useless". They are arguably the most efficient tool for telling time. Far more ergonomic than a cellphone. A wristwatch does one thing, and does it well. A smart phone does many things, but none of them are done efficiently. When a smart phone runs out of power it is as useful as a brick. A solar powered wristwatch never runs out of power, and has a service interval of 10-20 years. A cellphone becomes obsolete within 4 years.

[@rousseau327]

@Jonnathan Crane Wow, how triggered do you have to be to equate not needing something this accurate to stapling a penis. lmfao

[@ChevelleRocks88]

@@ivermec-tin666 Well said!

[@morrisgordon9618]

Finally Citizen getting its due respect for innovation towards quartez movements

[@morrisdavidmullings9833]

Weirdo

[@edmund8954]

And its 17k...

[@cecedabo]

amazing what japan can do, totally underrated

[@johnblackwood4369]

Yeah it is called Quartz

[@cecedabo]

John Blackwood there are diffrent levels of quartz watches just like with automatic ones. You can't compare a Swatch Quartz movement to the Citizen 0100, just like you can't compare a 4r35 movement from Seiko with a perpetual calendar movement from Patek

[@mrk131324]

Cédric Conter True the Seiko 4R will most likely perform much better and even has hackable seconds. PP has stopped innovating 40 years or so ago .

[@cecedabo]

Martin R. Krause don't be silly please, Patek, Lange, Vacheron and AP are on the top because they deserve it

[@mrk131324]

Cédric Conter On the top off what? Accuracy? No. Innovation? No. Price? No even that, although that is easy to achieve. Quality? No. Finish? Not AP for sure, Lange on the other hand ... Why is a PP so ridiculously expensive? Because it is “luxury” or is it “luxury” because it is expensive? And believe me, I own 2, PP movements are pretty crappy. This Citizen, for the price of 1/3 of a PP, really is on the top - no discussion or interpretation possible.

[@DM-rc4yu]

I like the "too expensive for quartz" responses. As if any wrist watch is actually worth that kind of money, mechanical or not.

[@_Anato_]

@S I sync my watches to an internet time signal, which is itself based on an atomic clock. I then use this to measure how much they lose or gain per day. With that I have started to notice just how inaccurate "Accurate" methods people usually use to tell the time are. For instance the clock on your PC using a signal from the internet, is usually not displaying the correct time, when compared to various time signals based on atomic clocks you will notice that it is behind. Phones work on this basis too, and I can tell you that I place more faith in my quartz watches synced to a time signal than I do to any PC/Phone based clock. I am even lucky enough to have a chronometer certified watch, and let me tell you, when I set that and keep it wound I can come back to it pretty much a week later and it will still barely be ahead of the time signal I synced it to whereas the phone signal is still an entire minute or so behind. You cannot sync a phone because they run on a time signal udate/sync schedule set by the manufacturer and it will not be entirely accurate. Don't knock watches, My F-91W is more accurate than most of my mechanicals but my chrono cert watch gives it a run for its money. My other casio Quartzes are much more accurate than the F91-W. The Accuracy is out there, and chronometer certifications are a thing that exist.

[@cristianmicu]

my 15 bucks casio is

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

Some are absolutely worth even more. Unless of course you think skill, craftsmanship, history, innovation aren’t worth anything🙄🙄

[@khgear7160]

@@Jabber-ig3iw First time? I do high end guitars and in "fairness", a LOT of people cant justify buying $20 glasses, $15 watches etc etc guitar over $100. On our hand though (no pun intended), do you see Ferrari drivers go out of their way to insult Honda Accord drivers to their face ?

[@SilencedMi5]

Amazing engineering. I am always fascinated and excited by Citizen's relatively quiet pursuit of perfection. Their work with titanium and innovative scratch resistant coatings is a rabbit hole unto itself.

[@oes2546]

Love the titanium carbide coating on my BN0200. It seems like it basicly doesn't scratch, or if it does, the satin-ish finish makes hairlines near-invisible.

[@drouleau]

They're also releasing a titanium version of the watch as well for $7,400

[@ianmedium]

If we look at horological achievements in accuracy as something of primary importance ( which is how all the greats in the field approached and approach it to this day) then this really is one of the most worthy, fascinating and important advancements in the field made in many many decades. Thankfully there are lower priced models in steel to be had, some will still Balk at the cost but for those who love innovation in this hobby this has to be near the top of a purchase list I feel. Wonderful report Jack, oh and the black strap with cream dial has given me an idea for my GS with cream dial!

[@lucarsmyself]

This is next-level stuff! Both from Citizen and Hodinkee. Excellent job!

[@clarksonboy]

Love everything about this watch until I saw the price ($16,800)! Holy moly! Time to dream again I guess.

[@gustavobroglio5873]

For a Quartz movement watch... Nah... I preffer the Grand Seiko spring drive!

[@PINKDIAMOND]

Just buy Rolex OP. Way better than shitty GS dial.

[@Nexiii11]

@@PINKDIAMOND watch out we got rolex fanboy here

[@clarksonboy]

Alfred Potter i couldn’t agree more. A spring drive is definitely better in term of price and ingenuity!

[@clarksonboy]

PINK DIAMOND i like them both equally! I agree for $16,800, I’d rather get 2-3 GS or Rolex or both and still have enough left over for ice cream to enjoy as I stare at the nice collection of GS and rolex.

[@valkwatches6750]

Incredible stuff. The cinematography in this video is top-tier. Everything from the incredible macro work to the sound design behind it. The video matches the watch itself so well!

[@patricktutek7933]

For curiosity’s sake, I would like to see an image of the quartz crystal.

[@isaac_k98]

Patrick Tutek might be secret/patented etc...

[@spurstickers4522]

You can see it here. 1:56 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJulkp2vm7x1oc0

At the end of the day, a watch is meant to tell and keep time. It's doesn't matter if your watch cost thousands of dollars if it isn't very accurate. Kudos to Citizen for their continued innovation and the pursuit of accuracy in time keeping.

[@Area_man115]

How accurate must a watch be to facilitate one’s life?

@@Area_man115 as accurate as possible.

[@104thDIVTimberwolf]

"It's a quartz watch that is so re-engineered that it may even appeal to the tastes of mechanical watches lovers..." Count me in on that one.

[@joeschlicht]

Same

[@borbetomagus]

I wonder what you'd think of the Jaeger-LeCoultre Geophysic True Second -- /watch?v=17fOFcGrb7A Or the A. Lange & Sohne Richard Lange Jumping Seconds -- /watch?v=M_YQLwkOEg4 Hopefully the Citizen 'Caliber 0100' can be used in more affordable models (besides the limited $7,400 titanium models) Though the more affordable Longines VHP (with ±5 seconds per year accuracy) might attract High Accuracy Quartz enthusiasts.

[@graemecreegan6749]

“...that is so over-engineered...”

[@allthestroke88]

I respect the hell out of this watch. But if this watch said Rolex at the same price tag, fanboys would be creaming in their pants over this. No love for Citizen, even though Eco Drive is fantastic technology.

[@Kwales66]

16k Oh my! Great review. Thank you.

[@esad5510]

Taipei Geek will there be a stainless steel option? =

[@gustavobroglio5873]

For a fancy Quartz movement...

[@MarkM58]

The technology came from Bulova when Citizen purchased them. Bulova started with the Precisionist.

[@MackieX]

Love looking at the seconds hand hitting the hour makers spot on!!!

[@enigma170959]

@Ahmed Ashraf It sure is

[@ChrisMisc1]

Same lmao

[@GerardHennemann]

Spot on indeed but what I did notice is that the minutes hand isn’t in sync with the seconds hand. I expect the minutes hand to be exactly in between two markers when the seconds hand is at 30 seconds, which it isn’t. For example at 4:39. Maybe only a simple manual adjustment is needed but that’s something I would have payed extra attention to especially when filming.

[@ChrisMisc1]

@@GerardHennemann Doesn't that defeat the point of having a second hand?

[@GerardHennemann]

@@ChrisMisc1No, you probably don't understand what I meant. Probably because of how I tried to explain. What I mean is that at for example 12:00:00 all hands are on the 12. When it's 12:00:15 the seconds hand is at 3 and the minutes hand should be at 1/4 of the distance from the 12 to the 1. At 12:00:30 the minutes hand should be exactly in between the 12 and the 1 and so forth. I noticed this not to be the case.

[@ericanderson4801]

This is why the Swiss stopped having accuracy contests. They picked up their marbles and went home in tears, back in the 60s, when the Japanese overtook them.

[@MontypPJ]

Eric Anderson ever heard of the Omega Marine Chronometer?

[@La7arus]

@@MontypPJ It was long time ago in 1974 ... and nothing since then. We are in 2019 now ... so get a good time perspective. Well Egyptian 4000 years ago had a Sun watch and it was very accurate :)

[@tapsarautanen]

@@MontypPJ The problem was that a chronometer with a precision in the range of few seconds per year is not really useful if the battery don't even last one year and in the 70s battery technology was way behind. In any case Roger Smith has one and in one short video he, who is clearly biased toward mechanical watches, describes it as a "technical marvel"...or something like that.

[@dannyjensen2123]

@@tapsarautanen eco drive batterys last +10 years - i guess thats kindof usefull...

[@tapsarautanen]

@@dannyjensen2123 Sure it is, somehow, assuming we really need to be precise to the second, I was talking of the Omega Marine Chronometer of the 70s.

[@dipro001]

Seiko: Hold my Sashimi.

[@SilencedMi5]

As a huge Seiko fan, I must still say that Seiko is behind Citizen when it comes to extremely precise and accurate timekeeping, especially in regards to being able to independently move the hour hand to preserve the time. This is without mention of the Caliber 0100 including solar power in its thin frame. Seiko's stretch to the ±5s/y category is not comparable to the ±1s/y mark, from an engineering and production perspective. Citizen stands essentially unchallenged in this field.

[@paullynch4021]

@@SilencedMi5 I have a Grand Seiko quartz, which seems to be accurate to 1or 2 seconds per year. It's going in the bin and I'm getting this Citizen! Just kidding, the Grand Seiko has much better looks.

[@simeonaleksiev8690]

@Ali Alexander Far behind... rofl

[@dipro001]

@Dave Mendoza Thank you! I can imagine that being true as well at some level.

[@dipro001]

@@SilencedMi5 Let’s see what happens. I cannot afford either. So, might as well watch and enjoy the show for now.

[@james-p]

I'm a total mechanical watch guy - all but one of the watches I wear run on springs 🙂BUT: Quartz watches start to get my attention at +/- 10 Sec/Year and better. I just love precision. That one watch of mine that doesn't run on springs is a Citizen Chronomaster at +/- 5 Sec/Year, with a jumping hour hand and a perpetual calendar that rolls forward and backward when I'm changing time zones. It's brilliant, and it's the one I wear while travelling. It's been running about +3 Sec/Year over the last few years, well within spec. I wear happily it along with my Rolex and Breguet watches. This model reaaallly floats my quartz boat. Unfortunately, Citizen doesn't seem to want to make this this watch available for sale. Pity.

[@garyggarner7738]

Beautiful Elegant Time Piece! $16,800.00 ? I like it but I have several “atomic Watches” That adjust themselves to the National Clock System. Plus, have timers, Chronographs and more for a lot less money!

[@bengahzijr.4293]

Frequency of 8 million vibrations a second! Just let that sink in, amazing.

[@svetko05]

Technically that's pretty low. Even a cheap arduino uses a 16Mhz crystal which is double. Let alone a modern cpu which runs at let's say 3Ghz (3 billion times a second)

[@MarianKeller]

@@svetko05 Quarz oscillators are limited to a few hundred MHz. Higher frequencies are synthesized via Phase Locked Loops.

[@peterclinch4583]

I'm 78 years old I don't I have TIME to save up for such a watch i might be able to get one SECOND HAND .😁😁😁

[@ClassicalProtestant]

High end watch collectors: I own 3 Swiss quartz watches. I love them! Low end watch collectors: I would never ever own a quartz watch. I’d buy a seiko SKX before owning a quartz watch LOL!

[@kaspersmit5747]

Incredible review - as always by Forster. But Citizen, why white-gold - whyyyyy???

[@DenisKudlik]

It's totally low key gangster. It looks like steel but it's heavier 'cause it's not, and you're the only one who knows. That's what it's all about.

[@thefreshestprince89]

D K Stealth wealth.

[@oes2546]

@@WatchTheHands A Chronomaster is still hella expensive. Hopefully they'll put the old Chronomaster caliber in something «even more reasonably priced» 😉😆

[@TheSFMCreators]

Because it's a $17,000 watch, and at that price it's just not going to be stainless steel.

[@markn3586]

White gold is 'stealth wealth'. Everyone seeing it will think its another steel eco-drive, but it isn't. Plus the gold case gives it some heft.

[@markiangooley]

This is the Bulova Precisionist taken to nearly the ultimate degree. No coincidence that Citizen owns Bulova.

[@Scout-nj7xj]

Longines Conquest VHP- plus or minus 5seconds a year. Amazing at £760.

[@ianmedium]

I agree, amazing price for such a great watch. I’m so happy Longines have brought back their high accuracy movements and at really bargain prices. I would have one of those over the more expensive mechanical version any day as those autos are pretty vanilla in comparison.

[@oes2546]

I too agree. I wish more h.a.q. watches would be released around or below this pricepoint. Sadly, I can't stand the look of the Conquest. If they release the same calibre in a better looking watch I would probably get it.

[@johnpaavo]

Or Bulova's with the 262Khz movement. 10 seconds a year $300.00 + depending on model. I use my Sea King to keep my automatics accurate.

[@TheCometHunter]

Citizen A-T Skyhawk. Accurate to 1/100,000 of a second per year.

[@oes2546]

@@TheCometHunter Not much point in comparing it to an RC controlled watch. It's still a 15s/month watch with the ability to display another watch's time that is accurate to (1/100000)s/year. Which is a cool technology in its own. But h.a.q. watches are all about autonomous accuracy and the fascination with how the movement produces it.

[@UniSkibum]

One of Hodinkee's best video yet. I'd love to see the same level of detail and love for a watch under 1000$

[@WatchGeek]

I LOVE IT!!!!!

[@mikesmith5389]

That's the first quartz watch that I've seen where the second hand hits the minute markets ABSOLUTELY spot on every time.

[@yopuivideo]

Casio Oceanus does that too.

[@spankyharland9845]

nice watch, but I prefer the solar powered watches that are calibrated daily by the WWV time signal- set the zone and the clock corrects itself giving you the most up to date accurate time based on the atomic clock. You never have to adjust it for DST/Standard time and these watches have perpetual calendar so you never have to adjust it if the month has 30 days only- Casio makes a whole line of these wonderful watches.

[@martin4374]

Shout-out to the Gentry. I know you're here!

[@SGM805]

This is why my Citizen tough APO 39mm excluding crown is my favourite watch , made of a solid one-piece case Titanium 7828-H09971 extra-thick sapphire crystal (and made famous by Ray Mears the survival expert, google it , hard to get hold of one now , especially in good condition as discontinued, apparently Citizen was losing money making them

[@allthingsimportantpolitics3347]

great video, but if you really want accuracy you can get a multiband radio-controlled watch, or gps controlled one, which some gshocks have. no need to ever adjust the time for DST etc. oh and they cost a fraction of the price and have 200m water resist :)

[@jagannadharaoayyagari4596]

Thanks for valuable information.

[@Myrslokstok]

I know it is a bitch!

[@gonzMato]

The narrative, the tempo and the tone of voice are impeccable. Thank you for a great review.

[@HajoBenzin1]

my 100 dollar casio has +/- 0 seconds inaccuracy in 1000 years :) it syncs with the atomic clock every day

[@Zeratul306]

Well assuming the atomic clock (or the standard signal) it syncs with will be around for 1000 years.

[@dannyjensen2123]

@@Zeratul306 if it does not - how will you know if your wrist watch is precise? precision is measured against a standard - if the standard dissapears precision no longer exists...

[@Zeratul306]

@@dannyjensen2123 because standards change. The signal can be turned off, or changed to a different incompatible signal. See: www.npr.org/2018/08/25/641835302/what-closing-a-government-radio-station-would-mean-for-your-clocks

[@Sabundy]

Citizen is a very underrated company

[@ELY3358]

Looking at this - Somehow I feel 1969 Seiko Astron. Just it’s impact is not immediate. But will be looked back on just the same! 👍

[@ELY3358]

Temple of Ridicule lol. Imagine me feeling anything towards a troll’s comment online...😂😂🤣 You cared enough to reply on my comment! 😆 You actually commented on my life... 😁😆🤣😂 A true tool.

[@oes2546]

I truly hope so. Citizen deserves it for pushing the boundaries of wrist based timekeeping and horology, in a world where almost nobody cares, because on centre stage is mechanical nostalgia with a large portion of snobbery.

[@maxh9180]

The way that second hand hits every single marker on the dial is sooo satisfying... even more impressive than a GS 9F IMO. No backlash whatsoever and the hand is only ticking once every second this time, not twice like the GS. Remarkable piece but also very expensive... I think the Citizen Chronomaster line up offers the same feeling of high accuracy quartz at a way more affordable price... Unfortunately we hardly ever see any reviews of Chronomaster Watches on youtube...

[@NoosaHeads]

There's something very honest and elegant about this watch. I _could_ afford it but it's a lot of money and I do have a Submariner (which gains about 30 seconds a month). It's 38 years old and I'll probably hang onto it. If it got lost, I'd seriously consider this Citizen but a nagging question in the back of my mind would be "Will it last at least 38 years"? For me, quality, reliability, engineering excellence and elegance are paramount. Absolute accuracy is not the reason I buy a watch but the extreme accuracy of this Citizen reflects the manufacturer's attention to detail. This watch is is groundbreaking and understated. If you got held up at gunpoint, the robber would probably not bother stealing the watch. There's a delightful poignancy in such a scenario.

[@someoneonyoutube1993]

Why spend $16000 if you can get the most precise watch ever for free? Your cell phone clock (also computer, smart watch) is always to the second connected via internet to the atomic clock. Nothing beats the cell phone clock. Everything else is jewelry compared to it.

[@nickfaiella9164]

Sometimes there's no internet.. and I know I don't feel like taking my phone out of my pocket every time I want to check the time.. and last but not least some of us just like nice watches

[@stanleychung88]

It hits all of its indicies so exactly. It's hypnotic

[@officialMainspring]

it's gorgeous. hopefully they make one in SS... 16k is insane but considering the tech, material, ect. worth it to the right collector.

[@saniwada]

I love this watch, its the only quartz watch on my grail list but its towards the top of my grail list.

[@jamesm3060]

Impressive engineering feat, no doubt, but 17,000USD renders this a slightly moot point. A 100USD solar g-shock with wave ceptor is effectively more accurate because of the regular automatic resyncing.

[@fredriksvard2603]

James M Watch snobs will never get over the fact that these and smartwatches etc are better timekeepers, and also more advanced from an engineering standpoint.

[@yunjinchuah6260]

Wearing my citizen atm!!

[@therockgodmalaysia]

Yun Jin Chuah a $100 one haha

[@MAC-ez2rq]

The most accurate watch is my Casio Waveceptor Multiband 6 solar powered atomic watch.

[@MCWordicus]

Technically not.

[@MAC-ez2rq]

@@MCWordicus Why?

[@MAC-ez2rq]

You are 1,000% correct!!!

[@ericanderson4801]

I'll take a $10 Timex and a very nice used Porsche.

[@sarahconner9433]

The Swiss have left the chat..... The rolex fanboyz are quietly sobbing in the restroom....

[@tomthompson7400]

that really is a simple looking thing of great beauty , hiding an incredible level of engineering , looking so so sleek. be glad it does not say Patek on the dial or 50k would be the price tag , and a ten year waiting list. Stunning photography too , really great review in both style and content.

[@nowayout8773]

16,000 for the white gold model. I like quartz solar radio controlled watches for accuracy and environmental factors. I have a gshock m 5610U and it's mainly a work watch, stopwatch for breaks is extremely useful. And it is tough as nails for 105 Euro. There are gshocks going for 300, 600, 900, 1000, and that is also for me shocking. I have been thinking about a high end quartz. It's kind of depressing to think that I will someday settle for an ecodrive for around 300 and some people can afford this 16 grand model. A lot of people can afford it. It's still beautiful.

[@LUISPARRA1234567]

Outstanding piece. I love the way Citizen merged the two worlds: mechanical and quartz. Beautiful!

[@johamu4]

Why is faster more accurate? 32,768 (2^15) was chosen, not because it is better, but because it is out of the range of human hearing at >20kHz, which 2^14 is not. So it doesn't hum like a Bulova Accutron. How does it know if the hands are out of place? How does moving the hour hand let you know if the second hand is still accurate?

[@junneo2690]

1 major problem is quartz crystal becomes less accurate over time. Might be accurate when you buy it, but certainly not going to be accurate in the future. For a 16k watch, grand seiko certainly looks more appealing. Grand seiko also comes with time adjustment regulation which will allow you to offset that time drift later. I wonder how accurate spring drive will be in the future, since it's regulated by quartz crystal.

[@ianmedium]

Jun Neo hmm, to sure that’s really true going by my experience as I own several forty year old quartz watches from Citizen, Seiko and Swiss and all still better their stated accuracy forty odd years later.

[@junneo2690]

@@ianmedium It definitely changes over time. Changes are small, and based on many factors. but it certainly does happen. Which is the primary reason why Grand Seiko has adjustment regulation on their quartz movement. Google Quartz Crystal Aging. Or heres a site that you can read up on it. www.electronics-notes.com/articles/electronic_components/quartz-crystal-xtal/crystal-resonator-ageing.php

[@xxxrdc]

@@junneo2690 7

[@gertvanpeet3120]

Eco drive...now eleven years in use... Very precise...only touch the knob for summer- wintertime..

[@johnblackwood4369]

it just looks like a simple quartz watch..

[@davec3651]

I don't understand, why make it unobtainable (or undesirable) by 95% of watch enthusiasts, by sticking it in a white gold case and making it so cost prohibitive? Eco-drive? More like ArtificialPrice-drive. Do high end steel and price it at a still exclusive high level, yet still attainable to mass horology fans, at $4-7K. They will sell few (well under 100) of these white gold ones. In the end it's a high level movement but still far too simple in construction to be sold in the over $10K range.

[@apisDei]

In addition to that, it is absolutely gorgeous, a top notch Calatrava alternative.

[@seanpollard4844]

That is quite an accomplishment! However, if it takes 60 years to become a minute fast or slow, will it still be running in 60 years to be able to verify that claim?

[@bezalelgeretz]

Citizen's already has a quartz movement with a sweeping second hand for use in the Bulova Precisionist line. They certainly should have used one here.

[@otobotrecords]

Not here, sorry. Just look at how the seconds hand *perfectly* hits those very thin markers. THAT is precision you do not want to be obscured by a faux sweeping seconds hand. Grand Seiko's Spring Drive's sweep is the one and only real sweep you wouldn't want to be obscured by any form of quantization. Here it's really the other way around.

[@GeeeAus]

@@otobotrecords exactly. This watch was made to function like a quartz watch typically does so it can flex it's high accuracy muscles.

[@otobotrecords]

@@GeeeAus True. Other than that, there are no Eco Drive (Solar) driven sweeping seconds Bulova's as far as I'm aware - due to the extra power consumption of a higher beat stepper motor. Also, Bulova is owned by Citizen, but no Citizen tech has went into any of Bulova's offerings until now AFAIK. This Citizen Cal 0100 is perfect in every sense as is IMHO.

[@GeeeAus]

Part of the pieces accuracy is that the second hand is locked from moving until just before it should. This design is intended to step.

[@otobotrecords]

I know. The extra bits above I only added with hindsight to the original post's assumptions which don't make sense.

[@rambo68]

An engineering masterpiece no doubt but very expensive....its a white gold watch so that has also increased the price, would like to know the price of the steel version. Also a very tiny window showing date would add so much value without ruining the classic looks.

[@voiceofexperience]

Bulova HAQ. Almost as accurate for less than 5% of the price of this. And it doesn't say "Citizen" on the dial.

[@Vyz3r]

You know what's more accurate than that? A Casio F-91W, and it's only $10.

[@axelsarlin2834]

@@Vyz3r No, the casio you mentioned is inferior. It's more of a 15 sec/month watch.

[@jeanmorin3247]

Citizen also produced the Eco Drive with radio controlled perpetual calendar which HAS a perpetual calendar and does hold time to less than one second per ten years with the help of a daily signal which is just as accurate as this quartz. And the price is two decimals down...

[@jh1328]

Glad to see Citizen getting some recognition. My Calibre 2100 (Ron Swanson) is my daily tool watch, and it has never let me down.

[@pughenry1588]

I love my Ron Swanson as well. Beautiful watch.

[@dmitrii7661]

It will take at least 60 YEARS for this watch to be 1 minute off...

[@ianboard544]

What you want is good thermal coupling between the quartz crystal and your wrist - ie, the temperature of the quartz crystal is determined by your body temperature. I had a Timex running watch that was amazingly accurate - the top was plastic with low conductivity and the back was metal. Good review - I have a Citizen watch and have been very happy with it.

[@mr.informal3669]

This is a winner from citizen but way too expensive. 38MM size can be worn by male and females. Classic dress watch. Best of all, it does what suppose to do, tell time.

[@adolfot.8763]

Quién necesita tanta precisión para el día a día ?

[@samissa9921]

"The Most Accurate Watch Ever Made?" Casio's Atomic Time Keeping: "Hold my LCD"

[@Othusdragonreviews]

@Peter Aremone not good enough for who exactly?

[@Othusdragonreviews]

@Peter Aremone quartz isnt for anyone who is intro "true horology" either. sorry to break your bubble.

[@gamingsectre1534]

@@Othusdragonreviews lol this just isnt true , I love both mechanical and quartz watches you sir sound like a snob with a statement like that

[@RogueAgentX]

othus chronometry > horology

[@Sanket.vjadhav]

I thought only mechanical watch were masterful

[@AlanDampog]

no thanks I want the most accurate watch ever: cesium clock - accuracy of 2 nanoseconds per day or one second in 1,400,000 years

[@Skiiwa]

Which my watch syncs with every night around midnight and it only cost about $250.

[@DeepBlueWaves]

I suspect by the time this comes down in price, chip-size atomic clocks will have come down in size.

[@Mike1614b]

they have that one too, it's $16M

[@mikesmith5389]

Even certain radio controlled watches and clocks can be out by at least a second a day, or even more, until it updates again and if it misses a day or more then the errors get bigger. The Citizen satellite watch is better it's continuosly being adjusted by GPS satellites that knows exactly where in the world you are.

[@NathanChisholm041]

@@mikesmith5389 One second out? How will we go on? 🤣

[@Melkitzedeq]

Should higher frequenzy correspond to a smoother second hand sweep, like for the Bulova Moonwatch?

[@KLK00723]

for 16k !? NO thx!

[@gmshadowtraders]

It's white gold nigga, dafuk...

[@studio9131]

IF OCD folks need a watch with unrivaled minimalist and cleanliness both back and front.

[@johnnyg3603]

I have a $60 casio Gshock that is more accurate because it sets itself every night to the atomic clock. Savings of thousands I guess.

[@noahmarshall3163]

Johnny G still not as accurate as it loses at least a second a day in between syncs

[@johnnyg3603]

@@noahmarshall3163 I have an old Tag F1 that gains a half second per month. If someone wants to offer me 2k for it I'll sell. LOL

[@bozscaggzz7475]

It's pronounced zero one hundred. For a video covering amazing accuracy, you screwed up astronomically.

[@DrExeCelticHeroes]

Looks like a 50$ watch

[@nielwilliams4687]

I have two Citizen watches, a Chronograph Eco-Drive and a Promaster Eco-Drive Marine. Both are beautiful watches, and both are accurate to four seconds a month. That is less than one minute a year!. A truly remarkable watch that should get far more attention.

[@Remko1024]

Aaaaand, let the watch snobs respond!

[@williamdavis7509]

Remko v.d. Wielen omg what a piece of shit.

[@spencerkarrington3153]

Perhaps someone has already asked this but what about the atomic timepieces made by companies like bathys and hoptroff? Could someone please explain why the above mentioned watches aren't more accurate than thecitizen or am I missing something? Thanks :)

[@oes2546]

It has a 36 hour rechargable battery. If you count it as a real watch then it is more accurate, but to many people, a real watch isn't a big blob that needs recharging almost every day. The Eco-Drive cal.0100 won't need a battery replacement in more than 20 years.

[@iceduckz]

Nice engineering feat. But I have a $500 Citizen Eco-Drive with atomic time sync that achieves the same or better accuracy for a fraction of the price. If this was in the low $1,000, I think it would be more appealing to the masses. It's hard to put $16k on a quartz watch.

[@DM-rc4yu]

It's hard to put it on any watch.

[@coachafella]

@@DM-rc4yu No it's not. Casio makes numerous watches with the radio sync to atomic time built in, some for less that $90.

[@coachafella]

Agree. I have a Casio that cost under $200 that's solar and auto syncs daily to the atomic radio broadcast. It's more accurate and precise than this highly touted and expensive Citizen. This is interesting engineering, but it's primarily for marketing splash and not creating the best timekeeping device.

[@ShashankD137]

Goosebumps in the first 10 seconds ..

[@NickJardine]

This was fascinating to watch. Well delivered

[@supboy666]

That seconds hand hitting those markers spot on is pure sex, too bad im poor.

[@jonathanhansen3709]

At a projected price of $16,800 I think Ill pass. I’m old enough to remember when quartz watches first hit the market in the early 70’s. They sported prices in the range of $2000 (1970 dollars). President Ford was criticized for wearing one when a recession was going on. Within 5 years the price fell off the cliff, falling to the $20 range. I don’t mind checking and resetting my current quartz and automatic collection. For the kind of money they’re asking for this watch, a better investment would be a Rolex Submariner, or better yet, maybe three Omega Speedmaster ‘Man On The Moon’ watches. They will hold value much better.

[@kuskaajapasi3786]

I think people who are interested in buying this watch won't care if it's a "good investment" or not. It's a showpiece of Citizen's technological capabilities, a wonderful example of peak engineering. In my opinion this would be a much more interesting choice than Sub or Speedy. Not everyone can appreciate the technology and "Citizen" on the dial, let alone have $17,000 spare money for luxury.

[@praetor47]

people like you are the cancer that is plaguing this hobby (and, unfortunately, plenty others). IT'S NOT A FUCKING INVESTMENT. don't be a moron and invest in stocks or bonds or real estate if you're in it for the investment, and leave the watches to the people who care about and enjoy watches. and once again, fuck you very much

[@SilencedMi5]

@@praetor47 - Agreed wholeheartedly. Cancerous trendy ""investors"" who drive prices up and innovation down are just classless.

[@desmondoreilly1210]

Wow, it's like an amalgamation of the best features of a quartz and a mechanical. Very classic looking, and really appeals to my accuracy sensibilities. I wonder where the cell is for the solar charging? Would that movement be made by Citizen or at their Miyota plant?

[@justinboudreau3130]

Citizen is the most underrated brand.

[@burkholdst.rudderberg3574]

Citizen, as one of the largest watch companies in the world, is far from underrated! (The word "underrated" is used way too often on KZbin! ) Atlantic, West End Watch, and Zeno Watch Basel, are a few extant watch brands that are actually underrated!

[@justinboudreau3130]

Burkhold St. Rudderberg you just want to argue don’t you? That’s what’s used too much on KZbin. My point being is if you watch any of these watch videos that talk about entry level watches they all scream Orient and Seiko but no one ever mentions Citizen. When have you ever heard a KZbin watch personality talk about Citizen? Even the fake Brit in New York doesn’t mention them. I stand by my point, Citizen watches are underrated, especially on KZbin. Your argument is weak, telling me how big they are doesn’t mean shit is nobody knows they make everything in-house or even that they make Miyota movements. GTFOH with you moot point.

[@justinboudreau3130]

Burkhold St. Rudderberg also naming small obscure Swiss brands that you can’t find anywhere doesn’t prove your point. If nobody can rate them how the hell could they be underrated, they’ve been around over a 100 years and still can’t make an impression. Nice try...you name sounds like you come from a long line of inbreeding...passing down grandfathers Atlantic watch to your son next? Fucking twit.

[@burkholdst.rudderberg3574]

@@justinboudreau3130 I said a multi-billion dollar watch co. is not underrated and you say I'm a inbred fucking twit. What is actually underrated is your anger! Would you like a little cheese with that whine? ( F.Y.I. no one uses their real name on KZbin except French teenagers! )

[@MrKco63]

very cool but lets be honest...anyone vain enough to spend 16K on watch isn't going to go Citizen no matter how accurate it is. Patek Philippe, Omega etc. Citizen is considered a quality watch but low end cost. I really like the Eco drive concept and design and have two for everyday timepieces...but not 16k

[@Coconut7403]

A bit misleading... You should stress that it is the most accurate wristwatch!

[@TheGrenadier97]

This is for quartz what those high-horology swiss hand-made swiss calibers are for mechanicals. Enthusiasts should understand that.

[@Hiluxtaco]

Most people who are shopping for $17,000 watches (and above), are NOT shopping cross-shopping a Citizen quartz watch. No matter how accurate it is...

[@jennyp.4603]

@@viadsss2264 Do I want a hand finished, hand engraved mechanical watch? Nah, I take the quartz Citizen because I need accuracy. Btw: the Apple Watch would be even more precise.

[@iclogtoilets3483]

@@jennyp.4603 You already made that comment "jenny" lol.