Rex Murphy | The Niqab Debate

[@bengale8106]

RIP, you were the best journalist in Canadian history. Very witty and well researched, thank you for your service to this great country. You showed all sides of the political spectrum and I thank you for that.

[@SLIDEWAYSLIDEWAY]

Anyone covering their face during such an important ceremony is NOT a citizen of that country and should be left behind!

[@ZombieCorp999]

My question is if I was becoming a citizen in a majority Muslim country but then demanded to opted out of part of the indoctrination ceremony because of personal beliefs, would they still allow me to become a citizen?

[@user-ju7ze9to4k]

ZombieCorp. The question is moot, since you would never want to become a citizen of a Muslim country. Sad but true.

[@eenho8618]

@@user-ju7ze9to4k Yeah, odd they don't move to a majority muslim country.

[@Jo-hy1sb]

I find it totally disrespectful to me as a human being. I don't give a shit what people wear on their heads, but I do find it vulgar when someone walks around in my community with a covered face. It is barbaric, sexist and down right scary. This person came to the West and demands respect and at the same time negating respect for every Canadian in her path. Odious. Just odious.

[@KansaiGene]

Voices of reason and sobriety are so rare in our society...

[@patknee8793]

Dear Rex Murphy: On behalf of all Canadians you are an excellent commentator.

[@verstwo2]

Welcome to Canada...leave your religion at the door.

[@VanceJoudrey]

+Matt Hoyte If only.

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

+Matt Hoyte Since when?

[@cynicallytested]

+Matt Hoyte I guess you skim over the "God Keep Our Land" part of the National Anthem?

[@verstwo2]

Truth Mashup I guess I'm not Canadian because I'm an Atheist then. I guess that's your ticket to discriminate against me too. And which 'god' does the song refer too anyway? Jehovah? Yahweh? Allah? Vishnu? Zeus? It doesn't specify.

[@av3ngeme]

+Matt Hoyte I choose to believe it refers to his noodley appendage. Parmesan be upon him, lol.

[@donmatchett7797]

That's what happens when you don't assimilate. .there is room for but one set of laws in Canada. PUTIN said it best. """ Russia doesn't need immigrants. Immigrants need russia """ either you assimilate in Russia or you don't go....and ask yourself why hasn't diversity worked in the middle east...and why do these people have no go zones..when they start having no go zones in Canada what will happen then

[@rbuschy]

Finally! Except for one point. They have to be able to see that you are taking the oath, which they can't do if your face is covered.

[@judyaustin8527]

Canada-apply by mail, 30 million Canadians will take care of the 1 or 2 billion people who would like to apply and then do what you want when you get here since Canadians are diverse. If you are educated or rich please don't worry about Canada sucking the life out of the country you came from.

[@marischwab3597]

They tell Canadians that they wear it for their religion, but the real reason is because their men can’t control themselves in public and KEEP IT IN THEIR PANTS. So to me, I feel it’s a real insult to every man in Canada, b/c in essence wearing one says my man doesn’t trust ANY man from seeing their women’s nude face.

[@BluesGirlBabe]

It's dark ages practice of men controlling women and exerting power over them to keep them subservient.

[@Herecomeoleflattop]

Excellent presentation as usual Rex. Having said that, "When in Rome..."

[@rkgrant]

There are many different kinds of romans...they should be free to be the kind of roman they want to be. provided they respect the right of other romans to be the kind of romans they wish to be...THAT is the essence of canadian law and that is what we share with other countries that have embraced the philosophy of the enlightement. A commitm,ent to, and a defence of, freedom.

[@DeHirvilammi]

WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY OTHER COUNTRY RULES IF WE MOVE THERE, WHY CANT THEY FOLLOW THE NORM HERE

[@GaryCameron780]

From a religious point of view the NIqab isn't mandatory. They shouldn't be wearing it.

[@firstandforemost87]

Man. I'm surprised the CBC keeps this guy. He calls for conversation. That is way to centrist for the CBC.

[@abdou6003]

today majority of Canadians are wearing face masks in public some places require!

[@tom-ke7lb]

WHY NOT GO ALONG WITH THIS FACE COVERING? EVERY CANADIAN SHOULD COVER THEIR FACES LIKE OUR IMMIGRANTS JUST TO SEE IF THE SAME LAWS APPLY TO EVERYONE OR JUST MUSLIMS.

[@kikidellasiepe3788]

As usual well said Rex, honestly this is just common sense why this is an issue is beyond what I can comprehend not our values and why accommodate for something that goes against our beliefs, no one should feel like they have to cover their face in a democratic society.

[@mark7166]

... yeah, but they're muslims, and muslims are super special, so they need to have special privileges in every situation.

[@hijabmeup7778]

TRUE.

[@jangreenhalgh1026]

But why . We owe them nothing .

[@Mrskateboardboy]

Trudeau is playing politics with this issue. Rex is right! If you want to be a citizen, you have to conform to common customs and values. We SEPARATE church and state.

[@wendyrobson9683]

This is Canada......It shouldn't be an imposition to anyones' faith or custom to show ones' face when taking the Canadian citizenship oath. If you don't agree don't take the citizenship oath........simple.

[@georgeskinner4153]

What's wrong with becoming a CANADIAN the way we as CANADIANS want you to accept CANADA??

[@Spudst3r]

I used to agree with Nenshi when he said this, now I disagree. And I think more people will as more and more Niqabs become common and not an abstract idea thought about from a far. It pains me as a civil libertarian to say this, but do you think that a person whose face is always fully covered, with only a slit for their eyes could ever successfully integrate into the community and make friends with others, become a coworker or otherwise ever lead a normal life -- with their face constantly covered?! Of course not. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. Most communication is non-verbal and humans communicate through our eyes and our faces. Most Canadians do not care about Jagmeet wearing a turban, or his long facial hair, because they can still see his face and frame what he says through an identity that is distinctly him. Ditto with a women wearing a hijab: her face is perserved. Ban the Niqab, but encourage tolerance for the hijab. It could even moderate the radicals

[@joanr3189]

Re the niqab. I want to become a citizen of Iran, and I insist on the right to dress in shorts and halter top in public because that is how I feel most comfortable.

[@annec9376]

As usual, Murphy says it brilliantly.

[@VanceJoudrey]

It should also be noted that through intuition, years of experience and observation we as humans analyse the whole facial expression to see if someone is telling the truth, is mad, happy, etc. This is a very important evolutionary ability. I would never deal with anybody if I can't see their face. Or lives have often depended on the ability to discern someones true attitude by reading their face. -- The niqab is also emotional perjury.

[@VanceJoudrey]

It's is a particularly backward practice. This is an embarrassment to their religion and themselves. I don't really care, however, because it lets me identify backward thinkers without having to talk to them to find out - their dress code screams: Hey I'm from the middle ages! So it's a win win either way.

[@elizabethm3477]

so true! ass backward caveman.

[@sydray9694]

+Casanova Frankenstein ... The fact of the matter is that Islam came to existence in barbaric Arabian Peninsula where people used to burry their new born daughters... And Islam banned that practice.Even today Saudi Arabia is promoting its backward culture of Wahhabism which unfortunately is confused with Islamic teaching. Face covering probably was a tool to protect women from being harassed by an aroused Arab male... What is funny is that the Western countries (specially USA) is the main protector of this fucking regime (because of access to their oil) otherwise they would have been overthrown by Muslims a hundred times over by now.

[@sydray9694]

I don't know what you mean by "main stream", all I can say is some of these Niqab women are successful business owners. Just because they cover their face does not mean they are kettles. The other thing is that I wish someone would object about the obis Western women exposing their cellulite ridden legs in public... My issue is that women in general use their looks and body to benefit from men's insatiable sex drive and what bothers them about Niqab is the phobia that this might some day happen to them as well and strip them from their most powerful tool in exploiting men.

[@sydray9694]

yes, funny in a sad way... i reckon you don't agree ;)

[@ateram]

Say that to nuns please

[@badmongo0]

Well said.

[@TheTruthIsTheWay11]

The "Niqab issue" affects about 12 women each year. And as Rex pointed out, these women must show their face during the identification process. Why let 12 women each year determine your vote? Furthermore, it is an issue that is not even able to be resolved by this Election, as it is a matter that goes to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has already ruled that it is unconstitutional to force a woman to remove her Niqab. So, go with what the Supreme Court has ruled. Or, try to get the decision reversed and fail horribly. Stephen Harper purposely brought this issue up to create division during an Election, and gain votes, even though he knows damn well that he has no say in this decision.

[@MrKilroi]

+TheTruthIsTheWay11 no it was the Federal Court of Appeal. one below the supreme court. Odds are though they will side with the federal court. Notwithstanding even if the court rules against him the court has given the government time to adjust law or retable legislation. Hell they have even legislated from the bench so it's anyone's guess as to how it would come out. The whole issue may be moot after the election because the drama teacher won't fix it.

[@TheTruthIsTheWay11]

MrKilroi Was it the Federal Court of Appeal? My bad. Thanks for the correction!

[@MrKilroi]

Nay bother

[@craigbutler3797]

Perfectly said rex... even in egypt they not allowed to wear hijabs esp on election day

[@kieranlawlor6549]

I HATE how this has become the defining point of what is such an important election in Canadian history. Absolutely irrelevant to the effective governing of our country.

[@rbuschy]

+Kieran L Have you paid attention to any elections over the years!? All they ever do is pander to whatever the hot topic of the day is, to curry favor. That and make empty promises to buy votes. None of which is a sign of effective governing of our country. This issue might seems small considering the numbers, but Citizenship Ceremonies are not the only place this issue will have implications. People forget that we use Photo ID for a lot of stuff!

[@WeningerRuss]

That's fine for Rex to say, since he's not part of a culture that places any value in the niqab. I'm no fan of the niqab either, but how is it standing up for women's rights to tell women that they have to forego citizenship if they want to stay true to their religious beliefs? Keep in mind we're not talking about honour killing or female genital mutilation. No one else is being harmed by the choices of these women. Perhaps we should be guided in this instance by John Stuart Mill's liberal harm principle: let people do what they want if it doesn't harm others. No Canadian is being harmed by a niqab at a citizenship ceremony. We have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms for precisely this reason. If we are so scandalized by the presence of these women in public life, then that says more about us as a society than it says about them. Rex, Stephen, and Jason, please stop demonizing poor women who want to become Canadian citizens just because they dress a little differently.

[@erics9754]

Let me guess your from Ontario GTA lmao.

[@AndreaIngham]

it seems nutty that basically every politican & journalist has to have a bloody opinion on this instead of just letting the 2 women who wanted to wear them to the ceremony or the judges who look at them & their identification before the ceremony (that like 3 homebread canadians ever show up to watch at any given time) say their piece before every white person & their dog sounds off on this. if i hear another man telling a woman what they can or cannot wear for any reason i will straight up go join ISIS. the first woman to lead an air force squadron is running in my riding & instead of doing things to give her the attention she deserves & the past decade she has spent fighting for families of veterans who have been injured or the families or those who have died or have been given a hard time after their son or daughter committed suicide, we get this bidnaz... over and over and over with man after man after man making excuses for why they feel like they should get to tell a woman what she shouldn't wear to a ceremony they likely have not and will never attend. how bout anyone who has ever had a publicized or broadcasted opinion on this go to at least ONE citizenship ceremony first (which are kinda lame to begin with... it's like 20 minutes of parliamentary, antiquated baloney before everyone goes and eats cake), and listen to the 2 women who wanted to wear bed sheets with hole cut in them on their feelings about uber-modesty and why men have to earn the right to see their sexy, sexy faces, before they use a public-funded broadcaster to share a predictable opinion from a predictable source (white, baby boomer male with an above average vocabulary).

[@oicub2]

what if the individual is missing half of their face? do you still want to force them to show it? the point is, in Canada, we hold our freedoms in very high regard. that includes freedom of religion. suggesting to a new citizen that their rights don't count is not the kind of message that this Canadian wants to hear coming from our government.

[@jennifermartel5089]

+oicub2 Exactly!

[@kuro515]

Too bad the covering of the face has NOTHING to do with religion, no where in the Qur'an does it mention that your face must be covered. It says you must decently cover areas like your butt and such. It being "part of the religion" is just an excuse to defend the sexism they were born into. It's CULTURE, not religion people! I swear, it annoys me when people go off by what other people are saying, even if it's incorrect.

[@MRayner59]

+oicub2 Except that it's not, I repeat NOT, a "religious" requirement (according to the Qur'an, the hadiths and just about every mainstream Islamic scholar). Rather, it is a cultural, political and ideological statement - one that is at odds with fundamental Canadian (and "Western") values.

[@oicub2]

Religious or not, it's a choice. If she chose to stand on one leg would you bitch about that too?  it's got nothing to do with anything other than regulating a Muslim woman choice. After her, you're next.

[@oicub2]

Choice is the very definition of freedom

[@theterrastudios]

Very succinctly put!

[@joanr3189]

The country is honoured and privileged to welcome newcomers; newcomers are honoured and privileged to join the country. It has to work both ways.

[@nellyvi9277]

Good old days when cbc had real journalists on board

[@nicholasivanderstoop4282]

Dear Rex ,they made me take my wooden shoes off .lol I would have come in bare feet it that's what it would take. I was invited as a guest in Canada house. Try to deserve it every day.

[@InvestmentPitchMedia]

Rex always with amazing perspective.

[@carolweideman1905]

Well said Rex Murphy.

[@RideMyBMW]

min 0:35 "executing a profound transition in patriotic allegiance" wouldnt bet the farm on it, Rex m'boy.

[@PepperfireTina]

Hey Rex, you are aware that the NEW CITIZEN has just learned that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ALREADY gives her the right to wear the niqab. You want to OPEN the EXISTING law to ERASE the rights from how few women? Shame on you. Go retire already. You're what is wrong with human rights issues in this world. How dare you offer respect to EVERYONE except these few women? Seriously?

[@MrKilroi]

+Tina Brooks Rights in Canada are not absolute and are subject reasonable limits and please show me wear it says she has the right to hide her face during a legal process such as being sworn in as a Citizen.

[@hassanadan5098]

+Jon cruiser You should take your medicine.

[@PepperfireTina]

MrKilroi, it's called the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Look into it. ;)

[@MrKilroi]

Tina Brooks I'll bet you can't name 3 of your constitutional rights Oh and BTW it's called the Supreme Court Of Canada you should look into some of its decisions.

[@PepperfireTina]

Really, do tell, WHEN did the Supreme court of Canada STRIP this woman of her right. In FACT, if you actually READ their LATEST decision, not only is she ALLOWED to wear the niqab, she WORE it during her swearing in. Now, what were you saying again?? Feel free to walk on. I'm not interested in playing Beat the Tory over the head with facts today. :D

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

Seriously, who gives a shit about this anymore? This happened weeks ago. Just forget it like we forget everything else that fills us with overwhelming temporary rage.

[@Zorn101]

Rex Murphy the human fog machine. Come children, lets watch him fill up the room with nonsense . CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS 2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

[@MrKilroi]

+Zorn101 No one questions the religion however this has nothing to do with religion....Look it up the "niqab" is a Saudi thing women in Malaysia Pakistan, and Iran don't cover their faces. and this woman is a liar. Section 1 of the Charter of privileges and permission has a limits next time quote the whole thing. The limit in this case was prescribed by law the question is/was "is it a reasonable limit?" No one asked the question is it even prescribed by her religion?

[@Zorn101]

+MrKilroi Who cares! Is she hurting any one? No Is she damaging any ones property? No Is she creating a false contract? No It is an idiotic topic being used to fill tv air over a non sequitur.

[@MrKilroi]

Zorn101 not seeing her face she might be making a fraudulent contract. Your third point cannot be answered definitively David Menzies put a niqab on and was allowed to vote with only showing ID......

[@Zorn101]

MrKilroi might be does not equal is. Remember it is. Innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Produce the four elements of a contract.

[@MrKilroi]

Let me try this another way..... Same rules for everyone. no exceptions. I also have the right to know who I contract with. showing a piece a paper with your face masked proves nothing; She is declaring and swearing an oath we have the right who declares and makes this oath.

[@chrismatrix27]

so can i start a religion and wear a hockey mask all the time without being arrested or questioned?

[@brucetrahan5956]

Sub-Zero sure go ahead and do that. it's okay by me. no one is telling you how to dress. really what a silly point to create a rift between people

[@hijabmeup7778]

A NON ISSUE, FOR NON ISSUE POLITRICKS, NOTHING WILL GET DONE IN THE HOUSE.

[@mottahead6464]

Okay, so she took the oath pledging allegiance to the Queen of England (and to the Canadian Government). It means now that she's loyal to the rulers of our country , right? (It means that if the government wants to raise taxes or pass certain laws, she is obliged by law and by her word to pay those taxes and obey those laws). Now, what if the Canadian government demands that she shows her face in a certain public situation (how about while driving a car)? Will she do it? She gave her word. If not, then, where exactly does she stands when it comes to her allegiances? Another question: why is it that we don't hear of the Muslim community about this issue? Because it is confusing to non-Muslims: some Muslim women use a burqa, others a niqab, others a viel yet others nothing covering their hair or face? What is it that makes one Muslim woman don a burqa and another Muslim woman show her face and hair? Is it because one is Shia and the other is Sunni? Are there many different Islamic denominations with different practices? We, the Canadian public, don't know and this lack of knowledge is what, the way I see it, feeds the beast of discrimination and prejudice against Muslims.

[@robertbruce1887]

Fortunately the vast majority of women l deal with from Iran dress as Western women, at least in public, & are generally polite, well spoken, easy to deal with.

[@paulmurphy5372]

He is sorely missed!

[@SummeRain783]

Proud Canadian niqabi ❤️❤️❤️

[@erics9754]

Proud Canadians do not wear niqabi has nothing to do with our culture. Some Canadian actually care about our history and culture and do not respect people who do not assimilate and only come here for benefits and ignore our ways and culture..

[@marteung]

Ami Khan - can you explain the pride of wearing a niqab? I simply cannot see how I am treated with respect when someone hides behind a religious symbol from my presumed masculine evil look.

[@theanimator108]

It is simply a matter of Canada being a multicultural society,,,,,it is this persons culture to cover her face in public, the ceremony is a public event. Her identity has been proven, and it is not a matter of security. If a person was raised culturally to cover there face in public, and thus that's what they feel comfortable with, and given that it's not an identity or security issue, and that Canada has declared itself as a multicultural society, to deny a person the right to observe this cultural manner would indeed be unjust, and the courts are right in this matter.

[@MRayner59]

+Don't Know And if she then wants to practice FGM on her offspring, I guess you'd be totally cool with that too. Progressive idiots like you will be the ruination of this country.

[@theanimator108]

***** First of all if your are going to resort to ad hominems and insults in your argument you do not belong in a public debate, and it shows the level of your mentality. Women do not choose to have genital mutilation inflicted on them!!! The woman in question, and many Muslim women, are making the choice them selves to cover their face in public, and yes it is because of the way that they were raised within a particular culture. But because they have been doing it they're entire life, they may not feel comfortable appearing in public with an uncovered face,,,,and it cannot be anyone elses right of law to tell them they must not cover they're face, unless it is a matter of security, such as perhaps going into a bank, or other instances of that kind. Do people choose the culture they were born in? Can people of another culture be free enough of cultural biases to judge what is right or wrong in another culture that they know little about, and thus tell them what they can and cannot do in the context of they're culture? Is Canada a multicultural society???

[@theanimator108]

+eal1985 well yu can see from her own statements, which are so obviously sincere, that it IS her own choice, and it is for sure the personal choice of many of Islam women,,,there have been spots about it on the National asking Muslim women and most say its they're own choice, so why can't you respect that and the Canadian values that give freedom of choice in personal matters!!!

[@theanimator108]

+eal1985 OH,,,now I understand, you are an "old stock" Canadian!

[@theanimator108]

***** Well you say your family was here for 200 years, indicating that you think you have more rights than a recent citizen.,,,Every Canadian citizen enjoys the same rights and freedoms, including the right to wear a niqab during the swearing in ceremony for citizenship, as decided by our Canadian courts, so get over it and accept it!!!

[@davidblight3567]

Rex should retire

[@Mrskateboardboy]

Rex has a genius for common sense and focusing the viewer's attention to what is important. I can't recall a bad commentary off hand!!

[@EANNE1000]

40 seconds in and I find Rex's tone unbearably heavy and I'm sure it goes on to be patronizing as usual. Nothing is an issue until someone makes it into one. Live and let live. Breathe.

[@AndreaIngham]

+Anne Goodwin live & let live. exactly. & maybe show up at one citizenship ceremony or have one conversation with one woman in a niqab (i doubt rex has) first.

[@EANNE1000]

I finally took a moment to watch this all the way through and it is worse than I expected. Rex's comments are extremely disappointing to me as I had thought better of him. Aaron Lewis you don't even know who the heck I am and I hope to God that I never meet you in person. Live and let live goes both ways when I say that and I'm sorry you were unable to figure that out.

[@CrowAndRedString]

+Anne Goodwin Do you really think Jihadists will care about your liberal "Live and let live" views? Will they put the sword and stones down because you defended them on the internet? I hope you have a taste for Chinese food, and have already picked out a non itchy and light burqa, because that will be required in the country cowards like you made. You can also drop the smug liberal wisdom angle, because even in your pacifism and having things your way, you and I will both end up beheaded or stoned to death. But we're all equal and mother earth's children, surely if we treat people nicely and surrender ourselves, they will also be just as kind. Shalom

[@CrowAndRedString]

+Anne Goodwin Something I just noticed. You hope to God? I assume you're a Christian, so you're already an enemy of the people you are so keen on defending. Even if you are not a Christian, maybe just a Deist, you have chosen the wrong deity, not Allah. Just wait until they are no longer a minority, but a majority in our lands. The special pleading and victim act will turn into the rule of Sharia law with zero tolerance.

[@matthewarsenault6216]

not saying I always agree with him but felt he was always Fair made me change my point of views several times and letting calling in give their views

[@malvane8061]

A talking head will blab about religious freedoms, then in the next sentence blab about civil rights. The talking head will avoid ever talking about when they come into direct conflict.

[@socabwai]

Rex, when did you start your consulting practice? One week you're telling us that the politicians are gaming us on the niqab issue and the next week you choose to bring it up to stoke the flames of an already contentious debate. You can't have it both ways? Can we discuss the turban and kirpan next week? Maybe the yarmulke or the catholic cross? We need to have these irrelevant discussions in the middle of a federal election because they really make a difference to .......You know what? They make a difference to nothing. I have no clue who they make a difference to. Old-stock Canadians? Real Canadians? We like to pretend we like multiculturalism in this country. If a woman chooses to wear a niqab in her day to day life, so be it. It can only enrich my life by learning to interact with her respectfully and expand my horizons. During the citizenship ceremony? Even better! This country is strong and free because we celebrate our differences. If a woman needs to go into a room to speak with the female officiant presiding over the citizenship ceremony, so be it. What are we losing as a nation by being open to this?

[@wallaceshears1229]

I,d cover her face with something especialy if near a barn

[@dominicdurzo8995]

secular laws should over ride religious and other but in a place where the prime minstrel finds excuses to be above the law, all laws are debatable

[@oscaritowin]

No to the face mask. It's just wrong

[@bobbradley8308]

Canadian laws if they don't like it leave practice your faith not a problem but our laws are fare not unfair

[@Marklar1982]

Wonder if Rex sees Lynton's dead cat now?

[@dennisskorek7719]

right on.....

[@Scott_56]

I see lots of people in the neighbourhood on bmx's and masks, nothing new.

[@dl505lh]

lmao we dont get mad at you for wearing booty shorts but if we want to cover up its a problem????

[@dl505lh]

looking more modest and humble is now a bad thing.

[@falconeaterf15]

Rex is just mailing it in these days. Time to retire dude.

[@craigbutler3797]

Our country had no problem with any nationality however the people that have been beheading each other under allah forever because Allah hasn't been a good god... so we're offer them safety and a new way of life yet they can't assimilateand want special privileges... do you think they're govt would do the same for you or me besides telling them your a Christian

[@alanashee3860]

She's not asking to be "accommodated". She's asking to be not discriminated against. Non-discrimination is not "special treatment". It's actually the opposite: no especially mean treatment of people based on their religion or ethnicity or choice of dress or whatever.

[@hijabmeup7778]

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE IN OUR CLOSETS?

[@1313steamroller]

this is canada. leave your xenophobic bigotry at the door. no one here has the right to tell that young woman how to dress. canada is multicultural. that means we might not all dress alike. and why should we. there is no uniform code for civilians and suggesting we adopt one is out of line.

[@Robin-bk2lm]

@Vance Joudrey Obviously false if niqabs exist.

[@paullalonde6249]

How is this guy still a thing?

[@thiernosadou670]

I'm MUSLIM and I don't agree with them bc ISLAM recommendations that everyone should be recognized by faces or fingerprints Sunni muslims don't cover they faces entirely

[@mohammednazari9833]

I am not sure if there is a dress code for Citizenship Ceremony. Is it more around revealing dress or too much of covering is addressed as well. Definitely Niqab is not a security issue and rather a dress code issue, if any.Respect is a matter of cultural learning as some behaviours are respectful in one culture while disrespectful in another. I am not sure if Niqab has ever been categorized in the Canadian culture, as we know it so far. as either. Remember we change and must change our culture, and value systems as we progress. I suppose Niqab is one of them. Maybe one day wearing thong and nipple tassels would be accepted as well, can't wait for that day:)

[@subtlewhisper]

Make up is a face covering, shall we ban that too?