Are Retro Games Really Better Than Modern Games?

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[@ModernVintageGamer]

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[@davidmorin2818]

RGT is you with hair

[@Mewsashi-cz9fo]

Gaming has become mainstream and it's the killer of creativity and innovation when you catter to normies like netflix and tv series show, that's where we are headed , just look at the meddling and bastardization of hollywood hacks being introduced in game awards show, those hacks failed movie creators like kojima that ended up in gaming because they didn't have the chops to be a movie director, that's the final nail in the coffin.

[@Mewsashi-cz9fo]

Gaming becoming mainstream was the biggest mistake of all.

[@typerightseesight]

Halo infinite for PC is pretty laid back. Not gonna lie 😂

[@dennisramos9665]

❤

[@praisetheoak]

Retro games were made by nerds for nerds. Modern games are made by committee for a non-existent audience.

[@michaelfields7088]

Bingo

[@jordanowens4599]

This definitely tackles a big reason I enjoy retro games more. Although games were mainstream in my childhood, it obviously isn't what it is today. Games, to me, had more character, more style, more 'magic'. Game developers seemed to take more risk and made games for nerds and gamers.

[@Nytegard]

That's one key thing that a lot of people miss when they say "now is so great, because there are games for everyone". Not really. The audience decades ago was different, and they got pushed out of gaming decades ago. What you're seeing now are not developers who grew up with those games, but developers who came along after the previous audience was pushed out of gaming.

[@Urvy1A]

The audience does exist, they’re on Tumblr and Reddit

[@JMyoutube1]

You can thank the system for forcing women into gaming development and then forcing women into game playing.

[@wertz987]

I'm old, and in the beginning, I always wanted the graphics of today but gameplay from the past is still more fun for me.

[@nicolasjonasson4820]

You and everyone else from your era. I promise.

[@michaellane5381]

Personally I think my main issues are I would prefer the graphics of yesteryear and a much bigger game on a much smaller data size... For example Pokemon. I would be much happier with the 2d era endcap FR/LG graphics, HG/SS gameplay functionality, modern(some designs could be left out) pokedex, and every region out there all crammed into one game with a separate storyline for each dark organizations intrusion in each region... That could probably fit in under 32GB... The problem is gameplay keeps getting put behind graphics in data storage priority and that I don't agree with.

[@mandibiedermann2246]

But in reality "super mega ultra graphics" have ruined everything. Because videogames doesn't feel like videogames anymore, but like matrix simulators

[@coffeebean_tamer]

It's not just graphics it's art style... even game has too much of clean generic look OK not all but you know what I mean

[@Tharealkeeters]

The nice thing about older games is that they were short enough that you came back to them all the time. These longer, huge, never ending games don’t really do that for me. I just get burnt out by them and then I’m done with them because it’s just too much of a commitment to dive back in.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

Mario and Luigi Brothership definitely overstayed it's welcome and felt bloated. I was expecting a 30 hour experience, not 50+.

[@blacklist241]

Absolutely correct. I'm an older gamer who turned 40 this year retro is more my thing nowadays for the pick up and play factor. I don't want to commit to 40+ hours in a game anymore. Just want to have some fun and go about my business.

[@josevanz7654]

Yeah, the same here! For me, 10, 15 hour is the limit. Now I'm playing (again) ocarina of time on Switch Online, a perfect game, and it have about 15 hours of gameplay. Perfection!

[@neoconnor4395]

True. I recently played Last of Us, Cyberpunk and Red Dead Redemption side by side and they're all great games but Last of Us had an edge because the first was only about 15 hours long. The perfect length to a videogame. Whereas the others took about that long just to get started. I honestly didn't know how to appropriately play Cyberpunk until about 30 hours in.

[@blacklist241]

@@neoconnor4395 Steam clocked my Cyberpunk playtime at 63 hours before the 2.0 version release, I didn't even finish the game. I wanted to start over but cant bring myself to do it simply because of the time commitment.

[@joshbennett7343]

Retro games make me feel good. Modern games make me stress about things I shouldn't be thinking about when I play a game.

[@nicolasjonasson4820]

Definitely more of a "chore" many times, with never games, yes.

[@Yipper64]

That's funny because while I do love playing retro games I can almost say the opposite sometimes. Dont forget that retro games have a lot more challenge than most modern games. Which, I typically enjoy, but if I dont click with a game that can quickly become frustrating. Currently playing through a Link to the Past and like, its fun, mostly, but its the exact type of game I struggle to intuitively grasp. I dont like looking up things on the internet because I know im just cheating myself out of the experience of figuring it out but golly I just cant with this game at certain points.

[@jeromeroark4637]

Yes retro games are better

[@dauntae24]

Go play Rad Racer. I’m be in my sim rig playing ACC.

[@edwest2263]

​@@dauntae24gladly

[@davidaitken8503]

​@@dauntae24If you think a racing sim limited by the confines of real world racing is the Pinnacle of what video games have to offer, I truly pity you. I'll be playing something truly hardcore like F-Zero GX on GameCube. A game that looks, sounds, controls, and plays better despite being over twenty years old.

[@justinsantos8514]

Undoubtedly.

[@SlayerE-i9e]

SOME retro games are better, not all

[@beverchakus4441]

I went back to PS1 2 years ago and it's been my main console ever since and my gaming experience has been better these last 2 years than it has since 2009

[@johnr.1592]

Ps2 was close, but ps3 to today has basically been the same. Want proof? Two of the best games on the PS3 are GTA5 and The Last of Us. Two of the best games on the PS4 are GTA5 and The Last of Us. Two of the best games on the PS5 are GTA5 and The Last of Us. The UI for the PS3 still holds up today- the whole experience of using the ps3 as a media center still can be used today. We're now very incremental evolving- the generations aren't differentiating from each other anymore.

[@CJ-og7zb]

SNES, 64, ps1/2 is really all you need till ps6 if you’re a console player. Pc gamers honestly are the only ones getting a decent spread on games (in my opinion)

[@itslouiemoo8018]

The younger generation will never understand the arcade experience we had.

[@fcukyoutubeidverification7083]

The loud sound of Killer Instinct in the arcade malls 😍😍😍😍😍

[@Poundz978]

Maaan, my friend convinced me to skip school and go to our local laundry mat to play street fighter 2. Best day ever…first time I ever had a cheese steak sub too!

[@kamrenkong]

One thing about retro gaming! They didn’t ever need a day one patch

[@jackgoodwillie9028]

Amen

[@Roge9]

nope, they instead released with broken unbalanced characters and forced us to spend even more money on another cartridge *looks the Street Fighter 2*

[@inceptional]

@@Roge9 That's so not how it actually was back in the day. We just played a great game of Street Fighter II. And then we got another version, and other, etc. But no one thought the previous ones were remotely "broken". That's just a try hard statement imo. 99% of the time these old games felt fully cooked upon release, even most of the bad ones. And Street Fighter II was one of the all-time greats.

[@BUPMY1]

​@@inceptional Agreed but wouldn't Street Fighter customers benefit from just downloading patches instead of just buying new cartridges.

[@akuma2124]

Depending on how you define 'retro', I believe there were a few PS3 games that needed day 1 patches. Also, we're reaching that time in the PS4's life that its in its second decade. A few more years and it might be considered what people define as 'retro'. Just let that sink in and feel old.

[@MonsieurB_RPG]

Modern AAA gaming is like mainstream politicians nowadays: it's all appearance, no substance. As for modern indies, it's like outsiders politicians: it's hit or miss, depending of what you like.

[@Gravy1255]

Plenty of good modern AAA games. You just aren't playing them. Buying a ubisoft game for the 50th time isn't all AAA games

[@MBeezy815]

What about games like God of War 2018/Ragnarok? Those are masterpieces IMO...so there are some wonderful modern games floating around (even if those are the minority)

[@oldmanbiscuit7518]

@@MBeezy815 nah, they're cutscene sims. The fun has been sucked away from them for the lowest common denominator .

[@MBeezy815]

@oldmanbiscuit7518 hard disagree from me. But I won't argue the point

[@acrane3496]

@@MBeezy815 you mean dad of war and the sweet baby inc sequel? I think the original god of war games are masterpieces compared to the soft reboots.

[@rickster7373]

%1000 yeah retro games are better then modern games

[@joeyisabsb1]

If you truly believe that then you're just an old man who yells at clouds. You act like Elden Ring, Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Astrobot, Baldurs Gate 3, a lot of the indie scene, doesn't exist. Id play Elden Ring over any retro game any day and I was born in the 80s and love retro games.

[@Gravy1255]

It's 50/50

[@robertw31968]

Why can't someone enjoy older games better than the newer ones? Personally the newer ones aren't as good, because most of the time they don't cone on the disk you buy. You have to download something. On older games every thing came om the disk or cartridge that you bought. Also as expensive as they are now they should come on the disk.

[@joeyisabsb1]

​@@robertw31968 Thats a different topic entirely and I agree with you, I want the whole game on a disk. That being said it has nothing to do with the game itself. The issue is when ppl think of retro they think of the great games and forget that the NES, SNES, Genesis all had SO MANY garbage games. When they think of the present they think of all the bad games or the story heavy ones that don't feel like games, they dont think of the MANY amazing games (look at the indie scene, its amazing!). Nostalgia is blinding everyone.

[@Miller_Lite]

The problem with retro game is the amount of great games available compared to modern games but regardless there are plenty modern games.

[@waynetemplar2183]

Are Retro Games Really Better Than Modern Games? As far as I'm concerned the answer is "yes" - in my opinion Super Metroid represents the pinnacle of video gaming.

[@Dewdrop0-6]

While I would agree that Super Metroid is an amazing game, I think Metroid Dread is as good, if not better. There are definitely amazing retro games, and there are amazing modern games. Both have pros and cons, it's just a matter of opinion.

[@justanobody0]

the game would've been better if the metroid didn't have to sacrifice itself for Samus

[@b.o.4492]

How did you find your way here from Spawnwave? Jesus what a take….

[@Timichaud]

​@@Dewdrop0-6 Close to all Metroid games are so good its because they did not fall into triple A titles and have lower popularity so the developpement of metroid games are from less popular industries and less rushed.

[@Dewdrop0-6]

@@Timichaud Metroid Dread is a AAA game. Edit: in my opinion.

[@Matucks]

I started playing video games when I was 6 in 1986 when my older brother had an Atari 2600. I've seen the evolution of games throughout the decades. Back then our fascination was all about graphics and how real they were looking. We had tons of fun games that created mainstream worldwide recognizable characters and not only Mario and Sonic but many others. Retro games were so inspirational it branched off to clothing, merchandise, toys, movies, tv shows, etc. Modern games don't have that impact at all. So much modern games copy the past. I don't hate modern games but honestly they lack having a fun experience and become frustrating fast. Where I do love modern games are when it comes to the racing genre and simulations. Those are better being as close to real as possible and no old tech could of pulled that off however games like Crusin USA, Daytona USA, OutRun, Need for Speed, are all classics that stand on their own thrones. I love Retro more than modern 100%, more fun, creative, and great variety. I can go on and on but I'll stop here. Oh btw when it came to girls, when they came by my house we always played games they loved it. Lots of girls owned SEGA and Nintendo consoles back then.

[@georgewatkins88]

Yeah good times.

[@RamasesB]

I agree 100%

[@davidaitken8503]

Modern racing simulations suck because they lack the creativity and variety of those older racers you just mentioned. Reality is very limiting and restrictive to creativity.

[@ZonicMirage]

I'd say it's half-and-half. There are tons of games worth playing from both eras. For all intents and purposes though, there's a lot of crap to wade through no matter which you choose. Nowadays, digital storefronts definitely provide quantity over quality. At least Steam allows refunds.

[@RamasesB]

True 😁

[@jonthanechols6410]

I play some modern games, but honestly once we hit the Ps4/Xbox One era things really went downhill. Everything is digital, we don't really own our games, and it's all managed by updates and downloads. A sea of live service games and online stores disguised as games. To me, nothing beats physical media and simply putting a game into a console and just playing it. 360, GameCube, PS2, Dreamcast, 64. All my favorites. And the community that mods some of these systems is also very neat. I recently got my girlfriend a modded 3ds with hundreds of games on it, while also still able to play straight from the cartridge.

[@poppers7317]

I have no space for physical media. My old game boxes still lie somewhere in the house of my parents and take away space and my mom wants me to throw them away. And in my appartment there is literally no space for things like that. I'm 100% digital and that's also way more convenient. I have like a 1000 games on my PC. No disc change needed.

[@jonathanrendon8579]

I do play modern games but majority of my gaming time is spent with games that are 20+ years old...I just dig the older style I suppose.

[@thomasbaldiscola4671]

same

[@worldoffood123]

I just prefer the simplicity. So much of modern games are cutscenes and learning a million mechanics. Give me defined levels and specific challenges.

[@MrRaiPlays]

Replayability will be the decider of this question imo Games used to be designed to be replayed often as the next release was at least a year away. Nowadays games want to hold you down forever so you can never leave and they overstay their welcome so much that when you're done you never go back

[@Bitdead]

Well we still replay games that are 30 years old, will we be playing this years releases in 30 years? I dont think so personally.

[@MrRaiPlays]

@Bitdead agreed

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@Bitdead Yes, people still replay games from the NES, a lot, and that system is nearly 40 years old. Even the newest games from the original run are nearly 30 years old. The only reason we won't still be replaying games is if they go out of print and can't be accessed or run on whatever hardware is in use in the future. And, with the efforts that have been put into things like DOSBox and various emulators, the only way that's happening is if there are laws passed that specifically ban it.

[@Bitdead]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade i mean, we can access nintendo online and play 30 year old, or more, games are still worth playing, even if u dont hav the original hardware, however i dont think ppl will be interested in more modern games in 30 years no matter whether they are available or not.

[@AndrewPresnal]

As someone who can't play games often, here is the main difference for me. It's not about modern and retro. A lot of newer games, when i want to play, requires updating my Xbox and then updating the game, and by the time that's over it has already eaten into a bulk of my playtime. Retro/Modern-retro, I can turn on my console and then start playing

[@robertw31968]

In my opinion that's why retro games are better. They are all there on the disk or cartridge.

[@Warrenmitchum]

Here’s the real reason why. Your on KZbin after work and next thing you know it’s bed time and your actually tired. And when you try to play your eyes start hurting and you knock out with controller in hand.

[@AndrewPresnal]

@Warrenmitchum ser, you are being too aggressively relatable

[@Warrenmitchum]

@@AndrewPresnal well I work 12 hours night shift 7 days a week. Trust me I know.

[@jmac79ers]

Nu uhh, tried to play defender on my 2600 yesterday, Needed a 26gb update. But yes, it is annoying. That and releasing unfinished garbage

[@nzonkagaming]

Some retro games are better than modern games. And some modern games are better than retro games.

[@ahmedp8009]

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yeeeees.

[@JungleOfMeat]

They were better because they were new. We never saw anything like it and thr jump from system to system was mind blowing. Where as now there's nothing mind blowing and there's nothing we ain't seen already

[@tonyp9313]

@@JungleOfMeatThat's not true. They are just better cuz they are better. You can play retro games with save states, game genie codes, Game Shark codes, cheat codes in games & with Turbo controllers. Modern games starting from the PS3 era, you can't even do that. Also the fact with Retro games, you are playing right away, avg games I play last 30 min to 1 hour. I replay them again the next few days etc. Modern gaming, games are like 20-100 hours. Once I beat those, I don't play them ever again.

[@ShreddingFinn]

I've said the same thing about music, entertainment follows culture, culture goes, entertainment goes as well

[@DoinThatRag]

Ha! I was going to say something similar but decided not to so I didn't sound like the old man screaming at clouds! 🤣

[@Chaoitcme]

Wait, RGT has hair? I always have seen him with a hat on and just assumed he always wore a hat to hide that he is bald.

[@Qwerty10254]

Plot twist: he put on a wig just for this video

[@xenobreak1160]

I thought it was like Tim Pool with his beanie 😂

[@Chaoitcme]

@@xenobreak1160 Hahaha!!! Exactly.

[@MrStuDubb]

He’s bald. He wears a toupee.

[@Jordonarkyn]

Me and my family have ps 5’s, series x, and a couple switches. We play the switch all the time. And the others here and there. It got boring for all of us for the most part. I went out and bought a Wii and a n64 with a bunch of games. My kids are paying those wayyyyy more. It’s crazy

[@jmsena]

Are they really? That’s crazy. Kids preferences never lie.

[@xenobreak1160]

Kids don’t care about graphics. They just want fun gameplay. Minecraft is still very popular.

[@Jordonarkyn]

@ I agree. I’m just saying I didn’t expect to be playing those systems more than the new ones

[@oldmanbiscuit7518]

My kids actually made me find my old Wii. Got my son a PS5. It collects dust. He just plays TF2 and Half Life all day. He's 11. The most modern game he'll play is Persona 5.

[@xenobreak1160]

@@oldmanbiscuit7518 My older son loves Portal. He's only 8 so I haven't shown him Half-Life yet. I was 12 when Half-Life came out, it seemed so scary at the time. 😅

[@namco003]

YES!! I've been gaming for 45 years, from black and white arcades, to the many home consoles, to my PC setup. I've witnessed BOTH arcade and console gaming industries rise and fall and rise again, to it's current failures. I've worked arcades the last 30 years and, it's similar to the arcades losing customers, due to game costs and home setups. People want to play at arcades, but are being discouraged. I plan on covering this on my channel, more from the arcade side of things. At the end of the day, it boils down to corporate BUSINESS practices. Companies follow MONEY PATTERNS, rather than finding out what people are interested in. They tell people what they SHOULD BE interested in, to capitalize on trends, then dump as much into the trend as possible and gain as much as they can until the next trend is out, then they dump any relationship to the current trend.

[@relinquishh]

Arcades were essentially the original microtransactions. Extremely scummy game design centered around trying to eat someone's quarters. Nowadays, a lot of games take away obvious conveniences that would normally be there in order to make people think they are making wise payments for conveniences. Arcades did something similar for their era: they would intentionally make the games insanely hard and bullshit in order to make people want to keep putting in quarters so they don't have to start over and risk not making it as far as they did. Now obviously the social aspect of arcades was fantastic, and there were definitely games that were designed more fairly or were fun to play co-op and such. However, the scumminess of arcades was one of the reasons people were so excited to be able to play arcade games on console.

[@HE360]

Before I even watch the video, I will answer the question of whether "Retro Games Really Better Than Modern Games?" The answer is: YES YES and YES!! Ok, so now I'm going watch the video!!! (Update: I watched the video and agree with all that said about the way things were with games back then vs. now and I agree that you do have to be around our age to fully understand/appreciate the journey from back then to now).

[@jae42619]

PS1 Square ... 3 banger mainline Final Fantasy games in one generation. Tons of original games mixed in too ... Xenogears, FFT, Vagrant Story, Brave Fencer Musashi, Parasite Eve and so on. I miss when companies could output stuff like that. Lots of good mainline stuff in one generation plus more creative & quirky projects throughout too.

[@cogitoergodumm]

And unlike modern indy games these older games are all original games with a lot of polish behind them. Meanwhile indies copy the same style of game millions of time over, while rarely providing anything new or of quality. And for every indy hit that people point out as great, you could probably name hundreds of trash games. PS1 and maybe PS2 era had the best overlap of big high quality games and creativity.

[@xenobreak1160]

It took Squaresoft development teams 2 years to make each of those games.

[@michaelcullinane3924]

Of course they are. People play Super Mario Bros 1 years later. People don't play Cyberpunk 30 days later. You tell me.

[@EduFirenze]

People don't play concord a week later 😂

[@annonjames2438]

@@EduFirenzedamn 😭😭😭💀💀💀

[@viviorko]

I have not played SMB in 30 years. Why would you want to play that ancient game?

[@viviorko]

@@EduFirenze, that is 100% true.

[@Just_Shaun]

Because cyberpunk was not a good game… Let’s have the same argument but with Super Mario Oddysey and arcade Donkey Kong… People don’t play Donkey Kong 30 days later. You tell me.

[@heylilg6070]

I love the gameboy Advance and the N64

[@nicolasjonasson4820]

The pixel art on the GBA was absolutely amazing.

[@BLAKCRYSTALL]

Yes they are no doubt about it Games were games back then Not live service crap

[@dbzfanatic278]

Die hard gamer here since 1987. I have played and owned almost every major console since the NES and Atari up to the PS5 and the Switch. They're all fun to me. I go back and forth sometimes. One day it's PS2 or SNES. Another day it's PS5 or Switch or maybe Dreamcast. I love them all both old and new. They all have different styles through the eras.

[@iraqvet0753]

Efficiency kills creativity and we see it across all forms of entertainment

[@babypluto636]

bought a steam deck in January and barely played my ps5 much this year it really changed my perception.Just been playing old gems from the ps2 era mostly. Max Payne fight for New York bully manhunt nba street jet li rise to honor the list goes on because of the big library of classics.Retro games were made with so much love and passion back then you can’t really convince me it’s just nostalgia I just don’t get those vibes from most newer games just feels like I’m not missing out on anything too crazy with recent games.this generation just really opened my eyes to how good we had it back then not just with gaming but entertainment as a whole

[@shinobi-zensei]

If I can choose only one… Retro, definitely retro

[@seannapier2298]

Retro games were made for gamers. Modern games were made for players.

[@magiccardmaker3588]

I say that modern gaming is for a hobby, while retro gaming is for hobbyists. Retro is more about the old technologies and what you can do with it.

[@oldmanbiscuit7518]

No, retro is a hobby, Modern is for the water cooler.

[@JEFFALITY]

For me it's preference. I've just accepted that the 4th Generation is MY Generation and now it's all I explore and play. Works really well for me personally.

[@blacklist241]

Correct 16bit era is king in my opinion.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@blacklist241 I can see that, there was a lot that they could do with that hardware, as long as you didn't necessarily need a lot in terms of 3d effects.

[@DoinThatRag]

@@blacklist241 This is the correct answer.

[@victorvillacis6764]

It did leap with VR. VR gaming is insane. It’s early obviously still but oh man do you get an experience like no other playing half life alyx. Butttttt people are not picking it up. So it’s making it hard and harder for that tech to move faster since money moves the needle.

[@wingsta9613]

Yes

[@yourwindow9455]

I love all eras! I'm from Sega Genesis era and, now, in2024, I'm here, almost every week and weekend playing my Playstation. Tks God and my papa and mama for all.

[@rami4816]

Man I just hate having to wait an hour or so for a new game to download so I can play … I miss starting up a game and getting straight to playing it

[@thecunninlynguist]

I'm an old man, so yes they are to me

[@LeonidThe90sKid]

As a fighting game fan, yes. Examples: - People still play competitive super turbo and Third Strike. Nobody plays street fighter 4 and 5. - Everyone with a ps1 owned tekken 3 and many people bought a ps1 because of tekken 3. A small margin % of each console & pc owners bought tekken 7 and nobody bought hardware just to play tekken since tekken 3 days. - Fighting games used to be Play to unlock, now they’re all Pay to unlock.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Retro games are better than modern games, no bs DLC, you didn’t need an internet connection just to download the game and more often than not retro games were fully complete out of the box.

[@dmonsef]

In my opinion, the modern games have become too much visual effects/visual candy, and less creative on story/challenges. I grew up with the 8bit/16bit era of Nintendo/Sega. Games overall were fun, challenging and had lasting appeal. Some modern games are not cheap, have great visual effects, meh on story, but don't have the lasting appeal. It is almost like some games are like a movie in the theater. You see it one time and then that is it. PC games for me I now hold in high regard over Game Consoles. I'm older, so simplicity is still a part of my video game world.

[@askwhy3659]

This is a difficult question to answer, not least because what counts as retro is so broad. Retro can mean anything from a very basic 2D game from more than half a century ago to a triple-A title from the PS3 generation, the latter being closer to our modern games than those from way back. Broadly speaking, I’d put it this way: games today are demonstrably better in many aspects thanks to modern technology, but I’d strongly argue that gaming itself was better back then. When I say gaming was better, I mean the experience of gaming felt much more meaningful and enjoyable. It’s hard to impress us nowadays, even with photo-realistic games that have taken almost a decade to complete. Back then, we were much more tolerant as gamers. The things I could tolerate from games in the past would drive me crazy today. These days, games have to be nearly perfect. I even managed to play and enjoy games that were complete technical messes.

[@ShinobiShaw]

Unicorn Overlord shows that retro gaming can be done, make a lot of money and still be cost effective ❤❤❤❤❤ very astute observation on modern audiences and how that was not a factor back during the 90s and aughts, even the early 20tens❤

[@brandonlee7382]

Maybe they should make old style games and put them in a collection for £70. So it could be 30 interesting old style games that are simple but very good just like the old days. It could include online aswell and loads of mini games to play against your friends.

[@gunsharck]

Sold! I’ll have some of that

[@lewisgrant7622]

They could but then that means they’d have to make something that’s actually good quality. Which they’re too lazy for

[@spacelion4763]

Yes. Here is the thing. I fire up a retro game and can immediately tell there was passion put into it. The focus was on making the best game possible. Developers (some of the time) and publishers (most of the time) have lost their way and the focus of modern games seems to be on everything but making the best game possible. Its simple really...it's all we want.

[@SuiteLifeofDioBrando]

If you count retro as gamecube/ps2 then definitely

[@adamfn7086]

any console that's 20 years or older is considered retro

[@duff0120]

@@adamfn7086 Nintendo DS is 20 years now, xbox 360 is 20 years old in a few months

[@adamfn7086]

@@duff0120 yea, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are almost retro, where has the time gone

[@Orange_Swirl]

​@@duff0120Honestly, a lot of the games on the Nintendo DS have that retro quality to them. It's a great platform.

[@chrisviglietta9870]

I literally have said I feel bad for my son because he will never experience the "wow" moments I had throughout 80s-90s gaming. Seeing N64 for the 1st time was the biggest "wow" in gaming history for me. And I was 20 years old when it launched. The closest I have felt that since was the launch of BOTW, but still no comparison.

[@oldmanbiscuit7518]

Why? My son has a lot of those moments, but he mainly plays Valve games. The PS5 I got him is collecting dust.

[@Rodeorigo]

Three simple letters: Y. E. S.

[@lostcrusader8053]

I went back playing Pokemon Emerald and other pokemon games on Nintendo DS. Whether it's nostalgia or just good game overall, they made me feel happy inside. It felt fun and less stress than recent games I've played.

[@kdkseven]

100% YES!!! I don't really play anything past the GameCube/GameBoy Advance/XBox 360 era (other than Nintendo). That was the golden decade of video games for me. The last 'modern' video game bought was Control.

[@Gravy1255]

It's modern it came out in like 2020

[@robertkorth2911]

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[@inutted4594]

Yeah, I can say a lot of games that I grew up with the '80s '90s and even the early 2000s are better than most modern games

[@anonymousperson8903]

Oh what a coincidence it's the games you grew up with...I'm sure there's no bias involved!

[@inutted4594]

@anonymousperson8903 No, there's actually zero bias. Back in the day games were made and just work. No microtransactions, no patches, modern games today are literally just made to nickel and dime you. They're not finished. They're broken full of hackers. Do you want me to keep going on?

[@anonymousperson8903]

@@inutted4594 What modern games have you even played? The vast majority of them I've played don't have a micro-transaction in sight. You just need to do research and choose the right games...

[@festushaggen2563]

Yes. I've bought, played and owned every major console and franchise since the 80's. The drop off came about 10 years ago. Innovation is gone and the quality has only gotten worse. I've since gone back to the PS2 and Steam for older titles as my go to for gaming now. Content with that.

[@FrostyTheClown]

Indies are keeping the spirit of retro gaming alive with modern quality of life improvements. Binding of Isaac, Animal Well, Hollow Knight, Deep Rock Galactic, CrossCode, etc. These are basically all I play these days.

[@dustincaudill8550]

Retro games are better than modern games

[@kamronlynch]

Exactly

[@MyAlteredSoul]

Retro games had to be simply fun and engaging. So, each game was more likely to either have something different that hooked you or use a known formula that draws you in. Each console generation was a huge difference in a relatively short lifespan. Now both console and games have incremental changes.

[@shawnschneff5505]

I like both retro and modern gaming. However I've noticed that modern games at their current state can be unapproachable for a non gamer or someone who can't use 50 buttons. I have friends that want to play modern games they just can't get around all the systems and buttons in a good game. Even what I would consider an easier game to play other people I know just simply can't play them. You give them a super Nintendo game and controller and they can game better than me.

[@casualcadaver]

Sounds like a Skill issue. Nothing practice cant overcome. My keyboard has “ 88 “ buttons and yeah at first its hard but with practice it becomes easier.

[@cdawg4574]

Retro games are better if you have internet problems. Edit: Plus what happens if internet falls for days from Blizzards. There’s your backup handhelds if power is completely out. Some internet servers are slower than others and might be weaker in areas. For internet servers, it depends on what fits your budget.

[@marcoa395]

No internet connection required to play retro games. That alone is why retro games are better. Once you own the game you own the game

[@Japheigod]

Some retro games are better than modern games. However some modern games based on Classic franchises have exceeded the originals. Examples such as Ultra Street Fighter IV , Tekken 8 , Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart, Ridge Racer and others.

[@arcticridge]

most of those games are a few years old now though

[@Japheigod]

@@arcticridge They are still modern representations. What people fail to realize it is not a Modern game issue. It is games developed in the West that are failing. It always has been that way everyone has just failed to realize that the Japanese game market has been shrinking as far as development goes so less games. Most classic games are all Japanese developed and packaged as something else by an American Publisher.

[@arcticridge]

@@Japheigod seems like most japanese made games prioritize fun over pandering, but we don't know if those devs are being whipped to get those games out. Methinks they're being pushed harder than US devs but we just don't hear about it

[@Japheigod]

@@arcticridge I used to publish, plan, and distribute many titles. There is literally no Independent scene in Japan and not many smaller studios left. Those that do exist do work for larger Japanese companies who publish their titles. It is like how it was here in the 80''s-90's but instead of USA publishers. Japanese people are ethnocentric and do not like pandering or political statements in their media. They are after all a Constitutional Monarchy.

[@jakewilburn6295]

I am 39 and here are the things I value: Respect of my limited time. - Short or non existent tutorials and intuitive controls. Rewarding my effort. - Content to unlock though progress in the game or secrets, not micro transactions. Ownership of my game - if I buy a physical Indy game, please put the entire 1.0 base game on the disc. Two player local when possible. - Not everyone wants to play online all the time. Artistic freedom in development. - I don’t want to feel soulless and corporate. So if the game is, then I’m not interested.

[@originalsleepyjon]

Solid gaming values 💯

[@Kenny_Random]

This is not even a debate

[@anonymousperson8903]

True. Modern games are definitely better.

[@artisanjames182]

The EXPERIENCE playing Retro games back in the day as a kid is most certainly better/ more magical than playing modern games as an adult... for example... playing BOTW at 34 yrs old in 2017 was a phenomenal gaming experience but... it still doesn't compare to playing Ocarina of Time on the N64 at the prime old age of 15... during a simpler time when we were at an age living in the moment with no worries or responsibilities... unboxing the SNES on Xmas Eve as a 10 year old, hooking it up and playing Super Mario World for the first time w/ my older Sister compared to playing Super Mario Bros Wonder now... again.. no contest.. those are the experiences I miss...

[@mr_m4613]

Modern games outside of Nintendo are barely even video games.

[@anonymousperson8903]

Wtf does this even mean?

[@mr_m4613]

@anonymousperson8903 ok let's remove Nintendo, and any game that mimics Nintendos games so that includes indies from the equation, what are you left with...dark gritty realistic over the shoulder 1st or 3rd person walking simulators which requires you to shoot or sword slice something with tons of dialog, talking and drab hours of gameplay that's tough to slog through....thats it. Games like this doesn't get the dopamine and gratitude sensors going at all. Feels more like a chore than a games to win. Imagine a pinball machine with no noise or flashing sounds, just the ball being knocked around. That's modern gaming in a nutshell.

[@anonymousperson8903]

@@mr_m4613 1. Why would be remove nintendo? 2. There is FAR more variety than you suggest: there are MANY modern games that are nothing like what you describe. 3. Personally, I've played and am continuing to play many modern games that get the dopamine and gratitude sensors going. Ever played Elden Ring, for example?

[@mr_m4613]

@@anonymousperson8903 Every game is like Elden Ring and that's my point, now compare Elden Ring to something like Super Mario Party Jamboree, Echoes of Wisdom, Super Mario wonder, Mario kart 8 Deluxe, Super smash Brothers ultimate, Pikmin 4 etc etc.

[@winstonsmith478]

Yes, for people like me who don't want to play highly involved, complex games. My types of games: horizontal and vertical shooters, Tetris, Crazy Taxi, Boulder Dash, etc.

[@buttafly58]

As a girl in the 90s that liked video games but had to rent them, the embarrassment I felt if a boy from my school saw me in the video game isle was a lot. Girls weren’t supposed to play video games and I felt that stereotype hard. It was a different time 😅

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

What's kind of crazy is that the literal only reason that Lego was ever for boys was that they had to decide whether to stock them on the toys for boys aisle or the one for girls and most of the sets until sometime in the '80s were completely unisex in every reasonable way imaginable. It's also kind of funny how these days, there are far more women and girls playing games than men and boys, it just tends to be more "casual" games.

[@jairekambui7738]

@@SmallSpoonBrigadeI mean if you’re talking about Animal crossing, sure, but something like Tekken, Devil May Cry or a jrpg, definitely not. Most games are still mostly played by men and boys in most ways that matter financially.

[@RagingAbout]

That's just untrue​@@SmallSpoonBrigade

[@Darrick-r2v]

I've been saying this since PS4 era. It doesn't seem like there is enough of a jump in graphics to justify spending so much money on a new console. Even a lot of Gamecube/PS2 looked great and going to the 360/PS3 era wasn't a huge bump in my opinion(that was the last time I thought it was still worth the jump). They should wait until they can make a huge difference in graphics quality and stuff to sell a new console.

[@buttafly58]

@@jairekambui7738Stereotyping women in gaming in 2024 😂 I’ve never played Animal Crossing but I can probably kick your *$$ at Tekkan been playing that since the Arcade but please tell me more about how women don’t play the same games as men…

[@timothyquibodeaux5925]

Ya. RGT 85. You’re absolutely right. I’ve been playing video games since the late 70’s. So I get it. I remember the huge difference between the generations of consoles. Not so much now. I like to go back and play the old games. But I still like to check out the new games as well. I also miss going to the midnight releases of big triple A titles. I guess those days are gone. Things are so different now. I don’t know. Anyway keep up the good work.

[@Eliterubberduck]

Though I do think retro games are better than modern games, it's pretty unfair to modern AAA games because so few are made in a given year compared to any year prior to 2010. It's also a bit unfair because we're comparing 30 years of games to like 10 years of games (compounding with the previously stated fact of there being less games made recently), so it's going to be easier to flood the conversation with retro bangers. Modern AAA games look better and usually control better (or at least subscribe to a standard control scheme), but they start to feel like the same game and aren't as responsive. Modern AAA games are safe and stale while retro games were creative, unique, and risky. Indie games are the only space currently that try something really new or fresh.

[@davidaitken8503]

That's just it, though. Modern games often DON'T look and control better. This is in large part because of the backward thinking you just exhibited. This idea that if a game doesn't control and play like every other game out there, and the control scheme takes practice, it's somehow bad. Many modern games are just a cluttered mess of extraneous and non-interactive graphics where it's hard to know what stuff is actually gameplay related. It's harder to track your targets in many FPS because there is so many particle effects as well as light and shadows being cast onto opponents. It's just an absolute mess!

[@Eliterubberduck]

@@davidaitken8503 I think that's very game dependent. Goldeneye on the N64 for example plays at around 20fps and there aren't two sticks on an N64 controller, so you're using C buttons for movement or aiming which are imprecise. There's a control scheme that addresses this issue that's incredibly goofy, which is using two bulky and unwieldy N64 controllers side by side, using the left control stick for movement and the right for aiming. 6th gen 007 games like 007 Agent Under Fire had the luxury of using 2 control sticks and running at 60fps. While there's some unorthodox (by todays standard) movement controls in Agent Under Fire (left stick to look left and right, move forward and back/right stick to look up and down, move side to side), you can still be far more precise. I don't have an issue with learning a strange control method as long as it gives you precision and responsive control over your character. To your point about visual clarity, I think that's a design and art skill issue with developers. Just because we can have 7000 particle effects and ray cast shadows doesn't mean we should. Modern games also have a hard time guiding the players in the right direction and have instead opted to just painting things yellow as a guide rather than laying out a visually distinct path, which I believe is also a developer skill issue. These are different issues from the game looking nice though, which they often times do, even if it's to the detriment of gameplay.

[@Talvos]

Modern games, even good ones, have too much padding. Some padding is explicit, but I think we've become so used to it that most will not consciously realize that even good features often pad out a product and subtract from the whole. Newer games are certainly massive and larger in scope, and the initial response can be quite positive- but once you've played enough games, I think it becomes desired to play a more focused product. Furthermore, the limitations of older games meant that putting in some features prevent other features from being present. This helped push the 'creative risk' that RGT mentioned, as a developer wanting to stand out needed to put more focus on that unique feature as the core part of the game instead of throwing it into a heap of hundreds of industry-standard mechanics.

[@orcmansoso9970]

Yes! Yes they are. For the record, I did not even watch the video. Unnecessary really.

[@Robin-cw5zu]

Retro games really have that balanced hardcore feel, without being excessively difficult, and are just so much easier to get invest time into.

[@ArchangelRG09]

Not excessively difficult?Somebody hasnt spent enough time on old 8 bit games lol

[@gligarguy4010]

"Yes." Could've cut this video down to 1 second btw.

[@EmceeIV]

That sure would have been a fun video huh? I love 1 second videos....

[@taker601]

That sure would have convinced everyone huh? I love hearing people make claims without spending time to back them up...

[@gligarguy4010]

@@taker601 This, but unironically.

[@taker601]

@@gligarguy4010 I could tell. 100+ comments on a channel you supposedly dislike 🤷‍♂️ maybe move on?

[@sureberferber9101]

I prefer my games to be fun and without a "Monetization Strategy". Retro gaming it is!

[@Monolithsoftninja]

Honestly I'd say for the most part yes but every once in a while we get something good

[@josevanz7654]

Actual Indie games are the old AAA games, if you think well. The budget, the number of people working, and in that "simple" situation is possible to be more creative, more innovative. Cause if the game fails, will not be a big financial loss for the company.

[@mattb9664]

Yes and no- during the transition period of N64, PS1 (and Saturn) - essentially in every game you were fighting not only the CPU, but also the camera and the controls. The developers were still figuring out how the make 3D work in games, and even some of the beloved titles like 007 Goldeneye or 1080 Snowboarding are very frustrating to play at certain times in almost every level. Today's games have different annoyances..like in Jedi Order- all we really care about is wielding the light saber and using force powers....for some reason the developer thought it would be a good idea to shove a version of the Titanfall2 acrobatics engine into a Star Wars game 'just cause' in hopes of making it interesting. Despite having great graphics and sound, I still haven't played through Jedi Order because of how bored I get having to navigate with its acrobat simulator system. So I flip back over to my Switch, and will play on the NSO service games. These current AAA games are like 1 time experiences that you'll consume and never come back to...maybe you'll rewatch cutscenes on KZbin, but you won't come back to the game ever again because of the complexity.

[@hellboundTX333]

DLC, broken games, constant updates, having the game hold your hand and walk you through it with little challenge... modern gamimg is soulless.

[@KoongYe]

Short answer Yes

[@1drpiperdee]

The Best Retro vs Modern Video Game KZbinr 🤌🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

I want to say yes, older games are better. I say that because when graphics were limited devs had to hook you on story or gameplay or both. These days it just feels like a competition between graphics designers with not much substance.

[@anonymousperson8903]

Have you played ANY of the highly acclaimed games from the past 5 years?

[@magnus87]

I like modern games, what I don't like is when they try to be an interactive movie. Whereas in a retro game the focus is more on the gameplay.

[@deshawzn79]

I didn't care for the Nintendo 64 I loved my Super Nintendo though.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

TBH, I think the move to consoles that could reliably handle 3d led to too many titles being released in 3d without as much thought put into making it a good experience. I'm trying to play through Sonic Adventure and the controls are really rough.

[@Jokerwolf666]

It just depends on the game, I like a lot of new retro style games. Honestly if a game is good, then it's good and I don't have any issues with it.

[@SegaAidan]

the "modern" games I play are like 15 years old now lol (terraria)

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Modern is kind of a hard to define term. Arguably, the era should start at the N64/PS/Saturn era when things really started to have viable 3d as a normal thing, or possibly more recently when it became normal for consoles to have internet access to download patches and content.

[@bradenalthaus2167]

I like old and new gaming however I feel like new won't matter down the road because there's so much online based stuff on what you do, like even if you had a physical copy of a game, if there are no servers to play then there seems to be no point in having it. If you look at older stuff you can still play Halo, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart, etc. with your friends even though the games are 20+ years old. I do appreciate the Switch though because I feel like that out of the current newer stuff will be the only thing worth playing in 20 years from now.

[@ImRickJamesB]

Before watching the video my opinion is yes

[@uta07maybe]

I like old games because you bought the game and it just worked and you actually owned it. no updates. Also, no micro transactions and internet was not needed.

[@TheDarkVyers]

Yes, Retro games are better. I've been playing for 30 years. I've played just about every genre on every system. I've found myself going back to retro games these last 5 years (favorites and games I never got the chance to play). With my play time being 70% Retro and 30% Modern.

[@ZackSNetwork]

All that proves is that your nostalgia blind.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

​@@ZackSNetwork*you're. Learn basic punctuation and spelling before commenting. Grow up.

[@RamasesB]

I get you 100% bro like I don't get excited for many games as I did when I was younger. Retro/older games had to be good from the start there was no long updates/patches, they had more creativity, & was not full of politics & micro-transactions.

[@dendostar5436]

Yes. Jesus Christ yes. Absolutely.

[@tyrus82]

100% agree with the diminishing returns. Being able to play the NES when it was new and jumping into Super Mario World on day 1 was mind blowing in terms of color and scope. We have peaked and now its just going downhill.

[@TheGorillafoot]

Yes. Yes. And. Also Yes.

[@thomasbaldiscola4671]

Im a 40 year old elder millennial and I loved every minute of all the advancements in technology you speak of from 1990-2000. Then the HD era came which was dope at first. I loved the 360. But nowadays it seems to be more about realism in graphics than just being fun. My fav era is PS1/PS2. 🎮🤘

[@Y2Jerms]

Pretty much. Most games nowadays aren't even games. They're interactive movies.

[@Kartak965]

Or barley disguise online stores filled to the brim with micro transactions.

[@Y2Jerms]

@@Kartak965 very true

[@joeyisabsb1]

Sounds like you know nothing of the indie scene where games are better than ever.

[@Y2Jerms]

@@joeyisabsb1 no? Most of the indie games are actual games and not all quick time events, and choose your own endings.

[@anonymousperson8903]

'Most' is a massive exaggeration.

[@meatsloth333]

Astro bot is a great example of why retro games are the best. A 3D platformer is still just as fun today as it was back then. You don’t need 300 million dollar budgets, hyper realistic graphics, 60fps and 68 hours of cutscenes to be a good game. Just make it fun to play. Now I love both styles but the old games just have more replay value.

[@anonymousperson8903]

A modern game is a great example why retro games are the best?

[@EoR_2B4GOT10]

My problem with alot of modern games is that so many modern games are just not fun for the first 10 hours. Why would I put 20 hours into a game when I know I won't enjoy the first 10 and it's not garuntead that I will enjoy the rest. So many games nowadays are just enginerd with making the most amount of money and not how can we provide a proper fun expirience for our community. Not to say there are no modern games made with fun in mind. But there is a huge reason Astro Bot was celebrated like the second coming of jesus. It was just pure fun. No downside. We hadn't seen that from a first party Sony title in over 10 years

[@enzoforgets9456]

This is a case of subjectivity, depends entirely on the person, and their interests Also nostalgia is a HUGE factor whether you wanna admit it or not

[@agt_pendergast8899]

Recency bias is a HUGE factor whether you wanna admit it not, as well. A lot of people play a modern game once and never get past the honeymoon phase, whereas the games people are nostalgic about have endured after years, if not decades of scrutiny.

[@wildwest1832]

sometimes there is nostalgia, and sometimes there isnt. I have played great older games for the first time and realized how amazing they were 20+ years later. That isnt nostalgia if you never played it before.

[@enzoforgets9456]

@@agt_pendergast8899 true as well

[@justinhiett143]

I do find myself playing more old games than new ones. Maybe it’s because they are from when I grew up, but I think it’s just because they are still a blast to play. Games like half-life, oblivion etc are still a ton of fun to play.