Rhoynar, People Who Lost to Dragonlords and Hid in Dorne | Essos

Ever wondered who were the Rhoynar? They taught the secrets of iron-making to Andals and Valyrians. They practiced water magic. Their river was their god. Now they are living in desert. Valyrians destroyed their cities and separated them from Mother Rhoyne.
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[@kumarcollins585]

Maybe in the end the Rhoynars got the last laugh. Prince Garin the Great's curse may have destroyed Valyria. As it seems, the Rhoynars were pretty handy with magic.

[@magister343]

I want a spin-off prequel show about Nymeria.

[@isaacmendes1926]

Were you?

[@killlamas57]

Kind of sad what happened to them. For me this is the most beautiful/poetic backstory George and Lindo have created. How ironic that the Rhoynish came from flowing waters to now parched deserts at the bottom of Westeros. The Valaryian doom was sad too but this plus the slavery, Valaryians were assholes.

[@mykomatos5445]

Yeah, at first I thought of the Valyrians as roman-like, but the Romans actually wanted to build something greater out of their conquest, not ruin great cities and peoples forever just for the sake of it

[@jorenvanderark3567]

Mykomatos it took nine wars before they laid waist to the roynar and 5 before they did it with the ghiscari, i think it was more of a we cant conquer them so we destroy them mentality.

[@MisterChenzy]

@@mykomatos5445 Dude you have a wrong idea about Romans.. the Romans were the worlds greatest copycats after the Greeks, like everything we consider Roman today, wasn't Roman at all. Like aqueducts, gladiators, their weapons and equipment, their gods, their knowledge - all of it was taken from burnt cities including their libraries with all the knowledge in it around the mediterranean sea. Rome came to power by betraying and destroying their neighbors which were called Etruscans and later the great Carthage. They copied plenty of their knowledge and culture and called it Roman afterwards because they didn't know shit by themselves so they had to take it from the people who knew shit. Btw the greeks were even worse, they even copied the Phoenician Alphabet and called so many great personalities of ancient era and even their gods 'greek' even if they were clearly egyptian, phoenician, anatolian or illyrian / balkan. So the Valyrians are actually like the brutally colonizing enslaving and vandalizing ancient Romans or Greeks, it's just not the romantic and glorified version of them you've been told.

[@LolLol-gd7ly]

@@MisterChenzy you sound jealous of the west.

[@MisterChenzy]

@@LolLol-gd7ly I'm from the 'West' / Global North myself, why should I be proud of my ancestors spreading faked history / propaganda / mass destruction and genocides? That wouldn't make me jealous, personally. Rather ashamed.

[@MonteCristoAUS]

I would have loved to have seen a giant turtle on GoT

[@KTChamberlain]

The Rhoynar are one of the few cultures where I have a hard time pinpointing their historical influences.

[@sheenydonut]

Culturally they seem to share a lot in common with the Kieven Rus. Masters of river and swamp, but historically the Kieven Rus were treacherous and had a reputation on par with the vikings to other cultures that came in contact with them. As for the Rhoynish religion, it definitely shares similarities to Lithuanian paganism, where they believe in a godlike mother of all and also worship lesser gods of water and earth. So it seems to me they're pretty much an amalgamation of early Eastern European cultures.

[@Antonio-gn6iq]

I'd also consider the ancient egyptians which also lived along a great river and are one of the oldest known civilizations. Furthermore, they were conquered by the roman empire which could be interpreted as the valyrian freehold.

[@KTChamberlain]

Ah, good point. That also makes sense when you consider that, much like Princess Nymeria, the last ruler of the Ptolemaic Dynasty was Cleopatra, before the Romans conquered Egypt.

[@sheenydonut]

Egyptian/Roman wars is another good one that slipped my mind yea. But I suppose the same parallels could be said for the Kievan Rus aswell, but rather than the Romans they were conquered by the Mongolians. Kiev actually had a very healthy relationship with the Greek-Roman Byzantine empire, even later adopting Eastern Orthodox Christianity over Lithuanian paganism.

[@Cannibal713]

I was thinking that myself. It easier to see GRRM's historical inspirations for most of the other peoples of ASOIAF. Of course the name of the Rhyone river sounds much like the Rhine river. Also the Rhoynar share some similarities to the Vandals and Visigoths. Another reply suggested the Kievan Rus wich is also very likely. I hadn't thought of the Egyptions, but you are absolutely correct in the comparison. The great rivers were central to both people's civilizations. Yea, the Rhoynar are more original than most of the cultures of ASOIAF.

[@oskrr0340]

So sad that such a beautiful, rich civilisation should be destroyed by the Valyrians

[@oskrr0340]

Personally it's my favourite civilisation in A Song of Ice and Fire

[@tzestra1199]

Thank you fof all this

[@ScrivaTV]

Enjoy!

[@allyriastark3508]

You forgot Selhorys/Sorrows greatest city of Rhoyne, city of Garin the Great

[@Horesmi]

Ny Sar best city ever. Also absolute cognatic primogeniture is op af.

[@MRTN13]

So I understand that The Sorrows was a gigantic city, with architecture five times bigger then the Red Keep. It was build on the shores of a riverdelta. How is this even possible? They haven't even invented iron, but they are able to build gigantic superheavy structures on a swampy surface. That's some hardcore rivermagic, George!

[@jorenvanderark3567]

MRTN13 the had iron, they where litteraly the ones who thought the andals how to work iron into tools and weapons.

[@victorvonsteuben1728]

@@jorenvanderark3567 stop mixing up asoif theories with what is actually in the books

[@bobbyalexander8592]

​@@victorvonsteuben1728 the Rhoynar teaching the Andals how to work iron is in the books (Dance with Dragons, chapter 5), but so is the Andals being gifted the knowledge from the Smith. There are many unverified rumours and claims in the books that naturally conflict

[@BloodRider1914]

See if you can one on the cities north of valyria like Tolos and Mantarys

[@ScrivaTV]

OK

[@BloodRider1914]

ScrivaTV Thanks. Hope your channel continues to grow

[@ScrivaTV]

Thanks for watching and for the kind words!

[@shoddycast1455]

Can you do a video about the first men or andals thiers very little information about thier origin

[@ScrivaTV]

Sure.

[@killianweisedesbois]

I though they were some still living where they used to (I'm not talking about Dorne)

[@killlamas57]

Kiak The Unicorn Probably. They’re probably lonely farmers and teeny villages.

[@SantomPh]

Some people did stay behind but hardly enough to have a country. Tyrion meets some Dornish who moved back to the former Rhoynar so they could be near the Mother Rhoyne again.

[@abdirahmanmohamed2478]

I’m not one to defend valyria but they mainly fought defensive wars but they were consolidaters

[@halo091]

worship nature gods but allows homosexuality? kind of contradictory (this is fiction, it's also a choice to get triggered)

[@musakamara4157]

RSE 167 homosexuality is a part of nature no?

[@killlamas57]

Was this an attempt at a joke?

[@wothin]

RSE 167 the ancient Greeks also allowed homosexuality as far as I know

[@Antonio-gn6iq]

*hints at ancient egyptians*

[@killlamas57]

*hints at ancient Native Americans*