Richard Dawkins and Anti-WOKE Atheists are Now Becoming Christians

The New Atheist movement rose to peak prominence in the 2000's in response to the growing Christian authoritarianism in the US under the Bush administration - who whipped up fear against Islam to terrify Americans into supporting his government starting two wars and stripping their Civil Rights away.
Now these same Atheists are either converting to Christianity or calling themselves Christians... to help whip up fear against Islam which is helping European ultra-conservatives take power and strip away our rights. Funny how its all come full circle.
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00:04:50 - I like Churches too but I am not a 'cultural Christian'
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[@user-mt3hh9gw9m]

Funny that his concept of Christianity is just hymns and fancy buildings, and not Jesus assisting the poor and disenfranchised.

[@linagreenlyfe6705]

But if we help the poor, how will we pay for pretty churches?

[@micahjohansson7573]

​​@@linagreenlyfe6705 as someone who was raised in the Christian religion. Giving money was actually for the church, the building. But that money is used to feed the pastor and his useless needs. Some pastors have their own work besides preaching. Some just live out of the money that people give to the church.

[@Colddirector]

@@micahjohansson7573I'm not even really against that money going to building upkeep or keeping the pastor fed and housed tbh, but churches really should be way more transparent about where that money goes.

[@SixOneNiner23]

@@Colddirectorall the MIC false Trump prophets and churches radicalizing people need to lose their 501c ASAP

[@meow-sr2bl]

Jesus would of whipped the wealth and greed out of the rich mega church Christians of today

[@eltoppdog]

Yes, American Christians famously not hostile to women and LGBTQ... Dawkins Smart.

[@bS0up]

It's like this asshole never heard of patriarchy

[@onlyicedcrybaby7297]

In 2024 is it better than Christianity or nah? Yall play wierd games. Lets deal with the world we live in.

[@denniswise6045]

compared to islam , yes

[@garrett2439]

@@denniswise6045Uh huh because women of the Arabian peninsula had it much better before Islam, right?

[@matthenley3886]

In the interview Dawkins actually said “Christianity in the US is a different matter entirely”

[@drummond13]

He doesn't believe in the teachings or religious aspect of Christianity, just the bigotry of it. What a fun take.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

100%

[@dustinsindledecker154]

This is who he always was

[@ChristianMission]

atheism has no moral code, just the indifference of "nature" so atheists pick, choose and steal the morals of Christianity but denounce the rest

[@sandersGG]

@@ChristianMission we do have moral codes hurting kids is bad objectively speaking boom moral code to live by your logic is hella dumb first moral codes existed way before Christianity was a thing second of all Christianity has justified slavery chef

[@SeasideDetective2]

I take issue with the description of Abrahamic religions as "anti-woman," though. They are (somewhat) chauvnistic, but not misogynistic. If you were TRULY "anti-woman," you'd want all the women the world over to drop dead - and obviously, that would not be beneficial to any portion of the human race. Even men who claim they hate women never go the full-blown "gender-cide" route, unless they're serial killers.

[@nergregga]

He sounds like the worst stereotype of an old, snobbish Englishman.

[@unfollowtheinstructions6360]

Because he is

[@seekingabsolution1907]

He is. This is the lineage he comes from. Condescension, arrogance, fear and ignorance.

[@TeeTee-zm2re]

😂 he does

[@vidyagaems4063]

"Islam bad because it mistreats women" - Richard Dawkins, a well known woman-respecter

[@honeybrew5722]

Remember Dawkin's hit piece "Dear Muslima" towards Rebecca Watson after she criticized sexism in the New Atheism movement? Yeah, he only cares about misogyny when Muslims are doing it.

[@Mr_user_1000]

@@honeybrew5722 Muslims do it pretty well, though.

[@meow-sr2bl]

Christianity also is horrible to women lol

[@angryinky]

@@honeybrew5722 that's one of the only times any Conservative cares about women. Or when they can use women as a weapon against trans people

[@Nick-o-time]

@@honeybrew5722 Isn't he the one who sexually harassed her?

[@afterhourscinema782]

Ben Affleck NAILED it when he confronted Sam Harris and Bill Maher's "atheism" as just Islamophobia

[@adilson5051]

Islamophobia: a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.” - Christopher Hitchens

[@82Jaster]

Yeah, it's a big red flag when you live in a country in which Islam has next to no impact on your life, but it's all you care about when it comes to discussing religion. Christofascists in America are making in abundantly clear that they want the country to revolve around their warped concept of Christianity, and yet you have supposed Atheists who're still whining about Islam.

[@octosalias5785]

Bill will bend the knee to the right wing if they promise he can have weed and hookers

[@dr.chillwell4435]

When was this? I'd love to see it

[@afterhourscinema782]

​@@dr.chillwell4435Look up Ben Affleck on 'Real Time' with Bill Maher and Sam Harris. At the time, everyone clowned Ben as an "SJW" but he was completely correct in hindsight.

[@PlanetDeLaTourette]

Nietzsche roasted English modern intellectuals for being cultural Christians. It aged like a good wine.

[@superultrasmash9790]

Nice. I wanna look into that to get the good brain chems, you got a book or essay he stated this in? Or do you mean the general vibes of twilight of the idols/beyond good and evil? Bro if you know, let me know

[@PlanetDeLaTourette]

@@superultrasmash9790 I think it's in Twilight of the Idols. Maybe there is some additional commentary in notes. Not sure.

[@markgrayson6771]

@@superultrasmash9790 Twilight of the idols. But he has some funny lines about how boring the English are in Beyond Good and Evil.

[@Lunch_Meat]

​@@superultrasmash9790 the gay science and thus spoke Zarathustra get into it also. Freddy Knee called it when he said "god is dead, and we have killed him"

[@NimLeeGuy]

Actually, Dawkins is a toff. He's reverting to type. A son of the British Empire born to privilege

[@DarkerPhoenix1]

Him and Bill Maher just lived way too long

[@archeryfinn1658]

The problem of the celebrity scientist, eventually they feel the need to weigh in on topics where they are not experts.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky disagree. Fkn brat.

[@massinakmin8340]

Damn bro. You said “lived”. You made me happy for a second.

[@adilson5051]

well they just don't seem to understanf how leftist would protect islam fromcriticism even though the religion is against everything the left stands for.

[@thepubknight6144]

Bill Maher stole Bill Hicks, Paul Mooney and George Carlin's material for decades Once they passed away, he showed who he really is a racist, contradicting Zionist who views Israel and Jewish people as superior and everyone is evil

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

None of these guys were really "Skeptics". As soon as they were asked to reflect on their biases towards sexism and racism in the early 2010s, they squealed like greased pigs.

[@angelainamarie9656]

Yep. They were seeking attention.

[@MMaximuSS1975]

Bullshit. Maybe idiots like Sargon and Bogoshian and a few others, but they were all right wing.

[@williammcadoo8685]

I'm reminded of the time Sam Harris had Masha Gessen on his podcast and was trying to get her to say Muslims are especially bad for her because she is a lesbian, and she pointed out that Russia is ostensibly a Christian country and has treated her poorly, as well, and he just sort of stammers and sidesteps it.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Not much of an accomplishment though. Every religion is more or less backwards. Depending on the time period we are in one could argue that certain religions are more backwards than others, whereas at another point in time it was the other way round.

[@williammcadoo8685]

​@@07Flash11MRC Sam's arguing that the Religion, that he grew up with around him , Christianity is a " fundamentally decent" One Unlike The religion of those " Non White Foreigners" , Everyone knows are bad people anyway .

[@voltijuice8576]

I had assumed Gessen to be nonbinary, I have only ever seen them referred to as “they”.

[@legion999]

Relgion is generally unfriendly-to-hostile to lgbtq

[@MCouldhavebeen-lu4jx3bt4p]

@@voltijuice8576They are non-binary.

[@grapeshot]

He is right-wing reactionary Boomer.

[@adilson5051]

you don't need to be a reactionary to see that the islamic religion today is less decent than christianity and also islam is more reactionary than christianity today. only what saviors would disagree.

[@sketchiefello9002]

@@adilson5051 semi-literate worm lol

[@jalapenofarts]

So much for his feigned concern for Muslim women. Also, I KNOW he used to talk about significantly more serious shit than Christians did than not letting womenfolk be priests. Conveniently forgotten once he redirected his energy into pure racism.

[@papalegba6796]

He's a propagandist

[@SarastistheSerpent]

@@jalapenofartsnot only that, but he’s very vocally anti-trans and has platforms Helen Joyce, the woman who said we need to forcibly reduce the number of trans people. Seems Dawkins and his ilk agree with Islamists on their treatment of trans people.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Great, now I have to update the Richard Dawkins Timeline once again. 2010 - Most respected evolutionary scientist in the world 2011 - Elevatorgate 2013 - Strange, often xenophobic Twitter rants begin 2014 - Says some r*pes are better than others 2015 - Screams at kid who brought clock to school 2016 - Found in park, naked, fighting a swan 2020 - Says eugenics would totally work 2021 - Goes full TERF 2024 - Calls himself a cultural Christian

[@ykwtfim]

Is the 2016 event real?! 😳 now I gotta Google “nekked Dawkins vs swan”

[@tdaddy26]

You missed Elevatorgate in 2011. That should have been a sign.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

@@ykwtfim That's the joke. But maybe they just called it 10 years too early.

[@223Drone]

These atheists turned Christians aren't Christians they just call themselves that to justify their racism, xenophobia, support for colonialism etc.

[@garrett2439]

Your list lacks the true beginning of the whole thing, Elevatorgate.

[@robertpetre9378]

The New atheist movement really has shot itself in the foot. It’s fascinating how you can be so against something ( Richard Dawkins)and yet become the exact thing you proclaimed to be fighting against.

[@GuerillaBunny]

It was rotten since then start. Like... While Christopher Hitchens has done some good work exposing Mother Theresa, for example, he also insisted that "women aren't funny", and they just let it slide. But a lot of the "New Atheists" were anti-feminist and islamophobic since the start. That's actually one of the defining features you had to opt out of along the years, not opt into. Most GamerGaters were on that train, because "feminism is a religion", "Islam is incompatible with Western values" and all that nonsense.

[@bydlokun]

​@@GuerillaBunny feminism was corrupted by communist ideology one century ago. Far-left movement always ends as a cult of personality in a horrible dystopian society (USSR, China, Cambogia, North Korea). So yes, feminism is a part of this left-wing cult. Liberals doesn't segregate women. Feminists do.

[@NunYabiznass-hd6dj]

He said he likes architecture and Christmas presents, I don't get the freakout

[@fromeveryting29]

@@NunYabiznass-hd6djThey are talking about richard dawkins, who lately have been publicly condemning progressive movements (which he calles «woke».) and that he allies himself with «traditional western values», meaning traditional gender norms and simping for capitalism.

[@NunYabiznass-hd6dj]

@@fromeveryting29 ok, I've not seen him being anti-lgbtq, if that's his stance, then you're right, he's a POS

[@Szadek23]

Extremist christain and muslims actually agree on most poltical issues. Giving either group too much power would be very unpleasant for women, lgbtq folk and anyone who doesn't follow their specific believes.

[@usef099]

100% Leftist while they are tough against white fascists, they seem weak and afraid to stand against Islamists fascists because they afraid to be called Islamphobic!!

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

Bingo and extremism on both ends is on the rise again due to culture war nonsense.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Exactly. Sadly as you can see even in this comment section religious people are still fighting over which religion is the most humane / the least evil.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@07Flash11MRCAs a misanthrope i tend to "the least evil". Because Religion and Traditions are in my opinion for people too lazy too think for themselves.

[@blogdesign7126]

Yes I remember Adam Kinzinger said something about "Beware of the Christian Taliban" but when he said it it was in response to rumors about another January 6th.

[@pimtooler6370]

This is a funny coincidence with how Slavoj Zizek just published a new book titled "Christian Atheism," where he also wrote about Richard Dawkins and the new atheist movement lol

[@justinadams7824]

He can have some bad takes on Islam as well, was the book any good?

[@07Flash11MRC]

We shouldn't be calling it (New) Atheism, because whatever it is people like Dawkins are doing lately is very much the opposite of what Atheism is by definition. True Atheists like myself are reasonable enough to distance ourselves.

[@pimtooler6370]

@@justinadams7824 The book is good. There's some new interesting stuff in there about quantum physics, how that connects to Zizek's Hegelian reading of dialectical materialism and Christianity. Essentially for Zizek; true Christianity (which is Atheistic in nature to Zizek) undermines the beliefs of God from within, exposed how the Judeo-Christian God is stupid and incompetent or imperfect, exactly like how Marxists should undermine/sabotage capitalism from within and resist the reactionary temptations to create something outside of the capitalist system. So for Zizek, without this constant undermining of religion from within; the new atheist movement figures like Richard Dawkins were essentially doing fetishistic disavowals of religion. So ironically even with a considered an intellectual like Richard Dawkins, the western chauvinist ideology/belief still persists, they were just disavowed. Most criticism in the book of other forms of beliefs besides Christianity are mostly on Buddhism, but even when Zizek talks about Buddhism he was more specifically critical of "western Buddhism". So no, he didn't discuss Islam in the book, which I don't think Zizek has that bad of a take on, considering he was very supportive of the Iranian protests and covered it a while back while it was happening. Though he is a Eastern European so maybe he slipped up and said some bigoted shit about islam recently idk lmao

[@Undivided_X]

​@@pimtooler6370 People should be critical of eastern Buddhism as well. Look at Myanmar.

[@pimtooler6370]

@@Undivided_X Yes, Zizek doesn't disagree. I'm just reiterating what he mostly wrote about concerning buddhism in the book, like by word count. He does explore the violence in Myanmar and other historical examples of how violence can be permitted in Buddhism in the book, but you should just have to read it for yourself, cause I'm not getting into every single topic discussed in the book here in a KZbin reply section.

[@user-rx2ur5el9p]

Bill Maher is the demigod of smugly wrong.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

i call it smugnorance.

[@Talentshowonline]

Best comment

[@NoorAhmed-nk2jq]

Honestly as a Muslim woman I'm sort of tired of all these people pearl clutching about us being oppressed, now I'm not saying there isn't some oppressive practices in Muslim societies to varying degrees, but I grew up in Iraq, sanctions and war has had a far more negative impact on me and fellow Iraqi sisters then having to dress a certain way, and when I look at Gaza I am so upset at these so called thinkers managing to overlook the violence people in a Muslim society are enduring and focusing on instead on how totally awesome "westren values" are!

[@usef099]

Muslim women are not only oppressed but also targeted in most Muslim majority countries because of Islam teachings in the Quran and Hadith, and you here “tired” of calling that out but upset of human rights violations in Gaza??! I am sorry, human rights are not different, you are tired to call out Islamists but have no problem to call out Israelis??! Maybe there are other reasons for you to stand against Israel, human rights are not the reasons to be sure!! You have Islamists who are against women rights, LGBTQ community rights, minorities rights, but stand with the Palestinians not because of human rights but because they hate the Jews.

[@darkday8913]

So damn true!!!!

[@07Flash11MRC]

You are making the lesser-of-2(-or-more)-evils argument while completely ignoring how for example women are still oppressed (and not just by what they are *forced* to wear).

[@usef099]

@@07Flash11MRC Muslim women’s have the least rights in Muslim majority countries in the world but she “tired” of calling that out!! Also, she mentioned only fractions of what muslim women have to deal with because of Islamists men force Islam teaching against them, child marriage, female genitalia, segregation, sexual assault and harassment, husband rape not being illegal…

[@NoorAhmed-nk2jq]

@07Flash11MRC Yes and no, it's the lesser of two evils, but it's night and day difference. Iraqis in general aren't too conservative. We women are generally allowed to study, work, and travel as we please, and even when it comes to what we wear it's overall modesty and not forced hijab or niqab . Of course there are extra conservative families especially in villages or remote towns where women are just expected to stay married to an abusive husband and have a half dozen children. That said, Iraqi law itself is mostly egalitarian, it's like any normal society with different levels of misogyny throughout, almost like we are just humans like everyone else!

[@noahkarpinski1824]

Ive been saying it for almost a decade now: the New Atheist movement literally took atheism and treated it like their own religion. A lot of people grew up evangelical and just took all those habits but switched the "yes"s to "no"s It doesnt surprise me that this is where some of them ended up

[@zammmerjammer]

I really noticed that too. It was clearly coming from people who had been raised in and around very strident and aggressive and repressive forms of Christianity. So they just turned that energy around and did a 180. But it was just as dumb and poorly informed. (ooh boy the *shrieking* whenever that was pointed out to them)

[@xuxuang8574]

It was the same picture, they just turned it upside down. And the God Delusion is pure apologetics.

[@justagame101]

Fucking pathetic. It seems as though watching these villain arcs unfold is now just part of my daily routine

[@elise3455]

Never have heroes... I used to really enjoy watching Dawkins, Harris, deGrasse Tyson, etc. Very few skeptics/atheists still true to the name nowadays (Steven Novella, Hemant Mehta, Dusty Smith, etc.)

[@justagame101]

@@elise3455 Yeah, it's been my rule since about 2009, when I found out hitchens was a warhawk, undercutting everything I had seen and read of his until then. My brother was convinced Musk was a genius for years, and I'd tell him to be weary, and it took until the twitter thing to disavow him of that belief.

[@feydrautha012]

Carl Sagan and Stephen Gould seemed alright even in the twilight of their lives, but yeah, the 'new atheists' are something else. Even though I'm an atheist, antitheist even, I don't want to have anything to do with the modern 'skeptic' community.

[@justagame101]

@feydrautha012 Stephen Gould seemed cool, particularly in his hilarious appearance in the Sampsons, but I think he could have been a Bret Weinstein type, as apparently his theories were widely dismissed by his field, and many believed he got by on celebrity, but that could jist be jealousy. But honestly, I don't know sh*t about the ins and outs of his theories. Carl Sagan seemed legit, though, but again, you never know.

[@lowlowseesee]

Villain lol. He’s more goofy than anything

[@tearsintherain6311]

Islam was far more liberal and progressive about abortion and science and technology for centuries during the golden age

[@StanTorrent]

That’s akin to saying Christianity is the reason for the scientific revolution in Europe

[@sesaydeen]

you are a liar.

[@himpim642]

@@sesaydeen he isnt. some schools of ilsam dont consider life is beningin at conception for example but after some time -abnout trhee months unlike christinity. Also golden age of islam was during time islam was taken pretty liberally as it was used by people who ruled people of diffrent faith during islamic conquests..

[@donnievance1942]

@@sesaydeen Sorry you've never learned much history. During the Middle Ages the Islamic world was far more advanced and progressive than the Christian world. It was the Muslims who preserved much of the intellectual legacy of the Hellenistic philosophers when Europe was deep in the Dark Ages. We would not have many of the texts of classical Greece if they hadn't been preserved by Islamic scholars. I'm not Islamic, by the way. I'm also not ignorant.

[@sesaydeen]

@@himpim642 "Some schools" do not define the Quran or the Hadith.

[@Music34897]

I'm literally a Christian and even I find it hilarious to describe all this as "fundamentally good" lol

[@Colddirector]

I think any honest christian should see that this isn't some genuine "come to Jesus" moment, they're just using your faith as a vehicle for politics. Which, naturally, sits just fine with the people using their faith as a vehicle for politics.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Christianity is full of more radicals than islam

[@diegoficagna3057]

@@dustinsindledecker154 Absolutely. Radical muslims are the "evil fundamentalists", while radical christians are just "evangelicals".

[@SixOneNiner23]

Born again and biblically sound Christians will be persecuted in the coming crusades.

[@marcomoreno6748]

Do you consider yourself or have ever described yourself as "conservative from the time of small fences"? I've met a lot of American conservatives who have this kind of vibe. They're very good people, possibly some of the best people I've met. They're usually vehemently against systemic proselytizing. They usually believe spreading the gospel should be a personal one-on-one act in most cases, lead by example in both faith and mundane things.

[@christophergreen6595]

This isn't new, they're just reaffirming their post 9-11 jingoism in response to Israel's extensive war crimes.

[@1MarkKeller]

BINGO! Christianity is jingoism for them, and that requires Israel to be and do certain things ... because it's in the Torah AND the Bible.

[@portaldolphin13]

what does jingoism mean? I've never heard of the term

[@ykwtfim]

@@portaldolphin13 Jingoism is basically super aggressive patriotism lol. Like American foreign policy since forever, for example

[@portaldolphin13]

@@ykwtfim oh, it sounds like it should be something fun like jenga

[@dylanschmidt9056]

Jingoism is superficial and shallow patriotism, an emphasis on symbols and military strength while devoid of the core values. Like a guy who makes a big show of hugging the flag while also attacking democratic and constitutional norms, for example.

[@Canoby]

I'm glad I bailed on New Atheism when they went chauvinist against Muslims.

[@usef099]

Against Islamists not muslims. Stand against white nationalists is moral, stand against Islamists is also moral!!

[@dr.chillwell4435]

I'm an atheist and I don't even understand how there can be a thing called "New Atheism" that you can join. Like the whole point is that I just don't believe in any of this stuff. It's not like when you reject religion you are by default joining a new group like "New Atheists." You know what I mean?

[@AlexeiX1]

dont need to bail entirely, just go listen to Matt Dillahunty and Forrest Valkai, the latter especially is really great. Or the politically active side of things is on modern Satanism, like the satanic temple for example. They really do "gods" work (lol).

[@blogdesign7126]

Crazy to think that "New Atheists" started out as "Anti-Conservatives" most specifically "Anti-George W. Bush" when they started in the 2000's. 20 years later these people are more "Pro-Trump cult" supporters.

[@AlexeiX1]

@@dr.chillwell4435 it wasnt something you could join, it was just what people called the movement that arised with the propagation of ideas being easier with the age of the internet. There were many "new" faces that were appearing at this time, and were "converting" people at that time, so for labeling purposes they called this phenomenon "New Atheism".

[@crazymulgogi]

I don't want to be ageist, but is anybody else under the impression that Richard Dawkins is just getting old, sentimental and slightly demented with his "church bells make me feel good" stuff? It's so very unintelligent. It might come as a shock to Dawkins, but is it perhaps possible for both religions to coexist, so that such a silly "choice" between church bells and minaret speakers won't be relevant at all?

[@crotchy7667]

Yeah and does Dawkins even choose Christianity in the hypothetical choice posed to him or does he pick and choose the parts he likes that agrees with his conscience while discarding other parts? It's such a crock to make mismatched comparisons.

[@ShroudedWolf51]

Honestly, maybe being old is a problem. But realistically, it's not like he has brain rotted into being a religious nutter. Either he has fallen for the talking points of extremist right. Or, he was paid a lot of money to say these things.

[@Colddirector]

I don't really think it's age as much as it is textbook radicalization.

[@keksi6844]

In Islam bell is tool of Satan....makes perfect sense he likes it.

[@chetmanley1885]

Nah he's always been like this.

[@vsmith1688]

What exactly do the neoliberal policies dominant in the us and uk have to do with the message of Jesus? ‘Cultural Christian’ always gave me the same fash vibes as conservatives who love talking about’western values.’

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Exactly, the terms "cultural Christian" and "Christian values" are the same thing. How do you share a culture without sharing values?

[@1MarkKeller]

"Western values" is also the soft form of saying, White Supremacy.

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

Hitler used the exact same rhetoric when he got the church to eventually support him except in hitlers case he directed his culture war against jews and atheists. Hitler also got on quite well with some islamic figures at the time but whether that was for brotherhood or personal gain or both I'm not sure.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Cultural Christian is just another term for white nationalist

[@feydrautha012]

As an aside, the same people who talk about "western values", "The West", "Cultural Christian" etc also allegedly despise "identity politics."

[@PossumMedic]

12:34 - the way he says "Hostile to *gays* " makes me feel like he's probably hostile to gay people

[@fredericomolina1692]

He's transphobic so wouldn't be surprising

[@Dave102693]

He is though

[@metaldemort]

indeed, this argument is usually made by misogynistic and LGBTphobic people with disarming arrogance: “you better choose my own hostility; stigmatization, oppression, contempt and rejection in my way: believe me, theirs would be so much worse! ".

[@SGN30]

​@Dave102693 he's not ' don't lie

[@Ahreman_egy]

As an egyptian seculer libral, and as many im acknowledging the problems with our societies, i even dont use the racism word lightly But I cant help but see this as western white supremacy, I mean there is no way anyone fair keeps complaining about what he complains about DURING a genocide sponsored by the west, after decades of western wars on the mid east, Suddenly the most famous atheists became culturally christians, and the human rights people became fascists, pro life people giving excuses for mass children murder, Even western christians justifying the killing of mid easter palestinian christians, Ive seen tons of hypocrisy in the past months its shocking

[@piku5637]

I grew out of my edgy neo atheist phase like eightish years ago when the anti SJW rhetoric is what I’d constantly see and have shoved down my throat by the recommendeds and what the “skeptic community” turned into.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Same, at least still have Aronra and Vice Rhino still kicking.

[@CuriousKey]

I have to say it was really weird watching the "atheist" (that is, the angry polemical youtuber) movement start turning Christian in 2014, while still trying, somehow, to call themselves atheists. By 2016, half of them were in the alt-right.

[@1MarkKeller]

It's fitting how all things regressive fall under the Conservative umbrella. Too bad they don't recognize the error of their ways.

[@AegixDrakan]

@@dalekrenegade2596 Man, Viced Rhino is consistently phenomenal. All-around good dude, perfect combo of actual fact checking, dry humor, and snark in his content... There's a reason he's the athei-otuber I go back to the most often.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@dalekrenegade2596Don`t forget good old Logicked. How the guy still is able to remain polite to the creationist idiots that even try to attack him is a miracle in itself.

[@SnakeMan448]

So after a lifetime of criticising the bigotry, anti-intellectualism and cruelty that plagues Christianity, he's now all about that. Did he ever have principles, or was it always about looking like he was always right no matter what?

[@fredericomolina1692]

Probably both.

[@saattlebrutaz]

Leftists are 10x the bigots that Christians are.

[@tomhathaway2556]

This guy taught me how to think critically. I owe him a lot. What an incredible disappointment Dawkins has become

[@younooch7656]

Ali reminds me of the ex-neo-Nazi who discovered he was Jewish so became a hard-line ultra conservative Jew - some people just need to be in a strict, exclusionary club to feel safe and happy I guess

[@filipkiki1472]

There were literally 4 wars against secularism by "Christian religion'

[@OgYokYok]

The worst one of all? The War on Christmas 🙏🏽

[@saattlebrutaz]

The most vicious mass murdering tyrants and war were fought over radical secular ideas: Communism, Nazism etc..

[@camelopardalis84]

Can you name them? I feel like googling might not yield the correct results.

[@filipkiki1472]

@@camelopardalis84 War in the Vendée, Capture of Rome, 13 Vendémiaire, Chouannerie

[@camelopardalis84]

@@filipkiki1472 Wow, thanks! I will look those up! Looking forward to seeing why they sound so French.

[@eriksalholm]

Richard Dawkins: “Christianity is fundamentally decent.” The Cathars: “Bro!”

[@adilson5051]

only when compared to islam.

[@fawnieee]

​@@adilson5051 no religion is good because it allows the justification of anything.

[@Colddirector]

The older I get, the less I believe that tbh. The whole "you will burn in hell if you don't believe" thing for one, the way it turns normal human behavior into sin (ie looking at women with lust), the mandates against divorce. I've flirted with rejoining Christianity on and off throughout my life, but actually reading the Bible, even a lot of stuff in the New Testament goes irreconcilably against my morals, and I've never found the idea of Heaven to be attractive in the slightest.

[@Oakshield263]

​@@adilson5051😂 buddy every negative thing Islam ever did christians have done worse. Look up some of the horrifying shit the old testament says about women or rules of warfare for example or what the ostensibly Lutheran Nazis believed. Some of the most extrme genocides in history from the native Americans to the holocaust were committed by Christian chauvinists.

[@beardonder]

​@@Colddirector burning in hell stuff is a bit "eh" in the bible (as in, cant really be found unless really dug out). The Christian message can be seen as a universalist one (everyone returns to god, original sin also isn't really found in the OT). Of course humans like a hierarchy of "I'm in the winning team and you are not" so have made fan fiction like Dante's inferno "canon". If you are interested in faith then maybe 'The bible for normal people' podcast would be of interest

[@kyleeames8229]

Nobody expects the -Spanish inquisition- *fascist cooption of rational movements.*

[@fathybalamita1537]

As an Ex-muslim, I am seeing a similar behavior from other ex muslim activists, They make us look very bad.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

It just goes to show that just because you abandon faith, it doesn't mean you didn't abandon the religious conditioning.

[@kentbrockmanchannel6]

I'm ex muslim too and agree, most ex muslims (at least in the west) are incredibly embarrassing. They have always been shameless western chauvinists and the genocide in Gaza has ripped the mask off completely.

[@Dave102693]

I noticed that from them a while ago, especially on reddit lol

[@GavinG_]

@@SleepyMatt-zzzthis. It’s literally just this. He’s still deeply religious in his worldview, he just calls it something else.

[@r7ahtesham885]

I'm a Muslim.. And among us.. Ex-Muslims are were mostly seen as fake Islamaphobs moonlighting as one, and they usually converted to religions like Christianity or Hinduism(basically, they are just nationalists) Tbh, it's the most popular view and it's kind of true.. Majority of the Ex-Muslim activists, never stop talking about Islam.. And their views about it is like Islam is just this backward, bad water savagery and they really have no sympathy for Muslims and are sometimes genocidal.. Remember, they are just Islamaphobs from other religion Hence Ex-Muslims being one of the most hated type of people for us Muslims as the most common types we see are just cultural Islamaphobs disguised as one. There are some actual ones like you for example.. But majority are tokenised Islamaphobs too, and their most common reason for it is because the islamaphobia industry is very profitable.. There are tons of the same bullshit content and all are viewed by other religious nationalists or militant atheists wirh a hate boner for Islam and Muslims and not to mention the all the damn politicians that are funded by other right wing lobby groups to say it.

[@gnocchidokey]

Can I just say, after hearing hundreds of people say "Christianity doesn't approve of homosexuality so homosexuality is bad," how utterly REFRESHING it is to hear someone say "Christianity doesn't approve of homosexuality so Christianity is bad." I just... I love it. I fuckin love it.

[@zammmerjammer]

Whenever I point out that there is no word in Ancient Greek or Aramaic (the languages the Bible was written in) for "homosexuality," just like there was no English word for it until like 1892, and ask how, then, can the Bible condemn something there was no word or concept for at the time?... The blank looks are quite something.

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

Islam doesn't approve of homosexuality either.

[@mrsam0496]

@@zammmerjammer cmon, the 'word' for homosexuality in the bible is 'man lay with man' or 'woman lay with woman'.

[@SGN30]

They referred to it as sodomy​@@zammmerjammer

[@brandbusters183]

At this Point the only good thing Richie has contributed recently is that the Selfish Gene gave some Inspiration to both MGS 1 & 2.

[@sataniccabal4276]

It's still a good book. It's a pity its author is succumbing to this nonsense.

[@monotypical_]

Bro Richard Dawkins calling himself anything Christian related is like hell freezing over. Like wtf dude. On top of that being a major transphobe

[@kellyloganme]

Griftheists. No real change, just new paint on the same old hate and ignorance.

[@feydrautha012]

And they share the stage as part of the honorarium circuit grift with the likes of Dinesh D'souza. A professional wrestling show version of philosophy, science and theology.

[@adamcosper3308]

In America, religion is largely politics. Seems like the Brits are catching up.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Ironically, evangelical Britons were once on the left. It was the hoity-toity semi-secular Anglicans who were the Tories.

[@SorceressWitch]

Not really as religion is not as big as an issue in the UK. You're judging based on what one person said. Firstly culturally Christian is nothing new and is not a bad thing, atheists are known to celebrate Christian holidays. I also know atheists who are cultural muslims and Jews and celebrate the holidays of those religions. This Dawkins saying he is a cultural christian is nothing new as he has been saying it 2007. You're all very late. The problem is his focus on hating all muslims. Though you shouldn't be treating UK politics as the same as US and there are muslim fundamentalists in the UK and many of them went out to protest LGBTQ education in UK schools. In the UK people are mostly secular compared to the US, even those who say they're christian don't really talk about it much. I don't think you're going to get a big Christian movement in the UK because that's been on the decline for longer than it has in the US. The US main issue is Christianity and have a higher percentage of Christians than the UK does, these are not comparable. Islam is very small in the US. It's why you shouldn't be comparing every country to America.

[@FlushGorgon]

USA religion is largely economics: highly religious (compared to Europe) only because cults don't pay taxes there.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

The US really does export its most extreme shit, doesn't it?

[@xuxuang8574]

We already did all that back in the day.

[@bernardorodriguez4285]

Also, has he read about Orthodox Judaism and how women are treated?

[@IshtarNike]

As a British leftist I'm going to quote a prominent British Zionist in a deeply ironic way: "Jews don't count."

[@chetmanley1885]

Shhhhh, we don't hold people who aren't mostly brown to the same standard.

[@lolstalgic9602]

@@chetmanley1885 Then we're hypocrites!

[@user-ln6fz4dk6j]

Loved listening to Richard Dawkins speak back many years ago. Did he change recently? Or was he always this weird racist bigot, and we just didn't notice for some reason?

[@pivotnaza]

he´s always been like this, but most turned a blind eye.

[@IshtarNike]

Always like this. He just spent a bit more time on Christianity back then, but he's always been kind of shitty.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

He has always been a racist

[@GuerillaBunny]

It also needs to be said that British "activism" is often single-issue, and driven at the cost of other injustices. So for example their Leftism has a misogyny and racism problem, because they kind of aggressively claim that those issues are distractions that will solve themselves once they've overcome the class struggle... Similarly their "feminism" is very single issue, and refuses to confront its own racism (ie. forcing "liberation" on Muslim women, causing their husbands to keep them on a tighter leash). Leads to people like Dawkins, Rowling, Linehan (though he's Irish), and others.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@GuerillaBunny What do you mean by "causing their husbands to keep them on a tighter leash"? Are you saying that was how Muslim men reacted?

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

I'm glad how I had grown out of my libertarian islamophobic new atheist skeptic community phase and I'm currently an egalitarian anti-hierarchic progressive atheist.

[@Vekstar]

Ditto

[@michaelcordeiro12]

They've realized that there is a lot of potential for religion to enforce a more hierarchical society. They decided that is more important to them than the truth of the universe. Sad.

[@nettewilson5926]

Exactly

[@saattlebrutaz]

This statement summarizes really well how wrong you are. It's almost laughably naive, with hints of authoritarianism.

[@michaelcordeiro12]

@@saattlebrutaz what is authoritarianism?

[@notubercharged]

i did a level religious studies, as a leftist athiest, and i'm fairly sure, out of all of the scholars and philosophers, he's the one that made me the most angry, i cannot stand him (dawkins) and it only furthered my 'dislike' of him when i learned that he was a raging transphobe as well (i am trans)

[@saattlebrutaz]

Dawkins is not a transphobe, you're just an authoritarian bigot.

[@vivianriver6450]

As a biologist, Dawkins should know a thing or two about examining evidence when passing judgement on trans people like us.

[@Nemo12417]

It's awfully two faced of Ayaan to talk about how Christianity "outgrew it's dogmatic phase", when the Christians who rant the most against "wokeness" wish for more dogma.

[@golden-63]

Christianity definitely hasn't outgrown its dogmatic phase. What it has outgrown to a large extent is violence. Yes, there are still violent acts taken by isolated individuals, but in reality, Christianity HAS outgrown this phase.

[@John-nb6ep]

@@golden-63 Are they burning or beheading anyone? Wake up you clown.

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

If she wasn't two-faced she wouldn't be Ayaan.

[@MasalaMan]

Both of these statements are true.

[@father042]

Ironic because wokeness is a religion

[@garythomas738]

Florida just banned abortions "in the Name of God". Yeah that's a great religion and totally not harmful to humanity, Richie.

[@laylah150]

Why are they stuck in christian vs islam "war of civilisations". Its 2024, not 1324, islamic empires are not coming for europe. The ottomans have retired 😅😅

[@FlyingFox86]

Even back then, relations between Christianity and Islam wasn't always hostile.

[@MasalaMan]

Mate I've had a Muslim friend tell me that they're taking over. My dad picked up a leaflet once years ago from a mosque once telling Muslims that they must over populate the western nations so Islam can be the only religion. Just because the ottomans retired doesn't mean that people's annoying imperialist mindsets don't continue on. And yeah I know not all of them are like this. But don't think they don't exist.

[@chetmanley1885]

"If I had to choose beyween Christianity and Islam, I'd choose Christianity every time" Bro clearly never got invited to iftar. And never will.

[@adilson5051]

if you had to choose between living in a muslim majority nation or christian majority nation which one would you choose?

[@ariellll-vb5nm]

​@adilson5051 I am muslim and I want you to know that most Muslims if not all who live in za west, are ashamed of what is happening in Afghanistan, pakistan, irak, etc. All these states don't represent the religion. They simply don't. And I wouldn't like to live there. I am from bosnia. You are welcome to see how muslims live there, and in türkiye. And in granada. :)

[@raulvidal2343]

Religious states in middle east are there because western countries didn't want socialists in their oil pools.

[@himpim642]

@@ariellll-vb5nm why you are ahsmaed.i am not ahamed for backward christians. as per bosnia and parts of turkey some muslims woudl say you take islam too liberally althoguh some ouswled say that you are getting conservative and funamntalist in last years.but again same coudl be said for lot of christinas.

[@hamzajaleel7082]

@@himpim642as a Pakistani I am ashamed of my country for what it’s done in the past particularly the Bengali genocide, not to mention it’s an authoritarian state clamping further down on its citizen’s rights by the day

[@kyrieeleison1905]

As someone who loves studying languages including Arabic, Mandarin, Russian, Welsh, German et cetera I find all human expressions of communication to be beautiful. To say that the sound of someone speaking Arabic sounds "aggressive" is just so ignorant and closed-minded. "Allahu Akbar" oooh... so scary. This is the sort of propaganda that was employed to make the Brits fear the Germans because their language 'sounds' so harsh, and again with the Russian Cyrillic alphabet. Xenophobia at its peak! Fear what you don't understand.

[@guilhermesavoya2366]

I don't think it is necessarily so. I mean, sometimes it is just vibes and that is okay. For instance, I'm a native Portuguese speaker and after watching a lot of Thai BL, I realized I find the Thai language extremely annoying-sounding. It has nothing to do with Thai culture, though. It just seems to be that, I realized, tonal languages sounds terrible to my Romance ears. There is a reason why I like Japanese more than any other East and Southeast Asian language I got exposed to.

[@patrickmcguffin1126]

As my religious studies professor used to say “Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist, what the hell does he know about religion”

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

Yeah, Dawkins is prominent not because of his expertise on religion (anybody with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that religions' supernatural fact claims are untenable, which is really all he did in terms of religious critique), but because he was open and strident about his anti-theism at a time when that was considered somewhat shocking. Unfortunately he never developed past that and is now reverting to type as a rich posh old English man.

[@saattlebrutaz]

He probably knows something about 'Transgender' and yet you're calling him a bigot.

[@xuxuang8574]

@edbblarney9456 he doesn't.

[@Loctorak]

Can you be an expert on religion? I think I will personally accept someone as an expert on religion when they are able to prove to me that their religion is the real and "correct" one. Until then, it's literally a bunch of people with no qualifications, yelling things out into the fog and whoever yells the loudest and most convincingly gets to be the "best" religion. It's all nonsense

[@xuxuang8574]

@@Loctorak You can definitely be an expert on religion, just like you can be an expert on anything fictional, cultural or sociological.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Me as a pagan: You do you boo.

[@Mischievous_Moth]

Same. Just wish people would stop bickering over things like religion.

[@lancelotto475]

I'm in a similar boat, but I'm on the Left Hand Path.

[@07Flash11MRC]

@@Mischievous_Moth "Just wish people would stop bickering over things like religion.": Buckle up then, because people never will. The problem is that not only are laws written by falsely interpreting religion as a science, but entire countries are run by theocrats, who force their religious views onto the inhabitants and oftentimes even on other countries and their people.

[@Colddirector]

Seeing fashy pagans and fashy christians fight is some real popcorn entertainment IMO. Especially when the fashy christian has to square the circle of hating jews while worshipping one.

[@Chaosqueenngami]

Hello fellow pagan! And @07Flash11MRC I have a theory that religion was created as an ethical framework for sociopaths and then co-opted as a tool for the rich and powerful. The amount of people who say what is to stop everyone from killing, stealing and graping if not for religion, is terrifying. The idea of not doing bad things to other people because you wouldn't like it done to you never seems to occur to them. The only thing sociopaths understand are cause and effect. Which is why they are reigned in by laws and the idea of divine punishment, because they are incapable of holding themselves accountable.

[@pllpsy665]

12:12 Yeah Richard the biggest issue Christianity has with the treatment and place of women in society is female vicars and female bishops.

[@sataniccabal4276]

Eh, on that he kind of does have a point. Christianity is historically insistent on natalism, and with it's insistence on "objective" morality, Christianity does provide a justification for very rigid social expectations. Of course, there is variation on this, but the use of metaphysics to justify rigid social roles does invite abuse.

[@pllpsy665]

@@sataniccabal4276I'm not sure what are you getting at. Christianity as a whole has a lot more problematic aspects relating to women's rights and their role in society than just "Chicks can't be bishops". He can't just pick a particularly benign regional sect of Christianity and culturally identify with it. He needs to go all the way spatially and historically. If he is "culturally christian" he must appreciate burning witches and banning reproductive rights. "Culturally" of course.

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

Christians don't stone people to death, enough said. If you were lgbt would you want to live in an Islamic country?

[@deadmanthehekatonkheire994]

Glad I hopped off the New Atheist train years ago. This is just pathetic.

[@sataniccabal4276]

It went downhill with gamergate. Some of them snapped out of it, but a good portion are no different than your typical reactionary.

[@DMFTexTex]

Just last week I was thinking about what happened to the old man who moved me from anti-imperialism to atheism. Guess he's just another imperialist. Dawkins never actually cared about humanism or atheism.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Dawkins was always an egomaniac

[@valolafson6035]

Mostly, I think, he just likes the money.

[@pancakingon]

"Either you die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain" has become true here!

[@saattlebrutaz]

No you're just young and narrow minded.

[@CC-qx7hk]

As a queer christian, I am tired lol

[@sammyvictors2603]

Hello fellow queer Christian ✋🙌🙏

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Same

[@micahjohansson7573]

As a queer ex christian, I'm also tired.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@micahjohansson7573 As a non-queer person who's procrastinating on leaving the church, I have to ask: Aren't we all tired of, just, like, ... all of it?

[@thejuiceking2219]

queerstian

[@ianianianianian]

dawkins’ accent is the most unbearable sound i’ve ever heard

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

It's like Stewie Griffin.

[@TeeTee-zm2re]

😂

[@zoharcina]

We should implement madatory dubbing for all Dawkins videos.

[@EmoBearRights]

Dawkins isnt just a western chauvanist, he's a male one too cf. Rebecca Watson.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Yep, Atheist circles are rife with misogyny.

[@Dave102693]

He really did a gamergate on her. What a pathetic man.

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

Atheist misogyny is still preferable to Shariah law.

[@EmoBearRights]

@@facthunt2facthunt245 Why not reject both? Also it's false equivalence - there's not much difference between Sharia Law at its worst or the misogyny and gender essentialism of people like Matt Walsh, Steven Crowder or Steven Anderson. These people want a Christian theocracy where divorce is impossible no matter how abusive the husband is - I don't want to live in their ideal world any more than I would under Sharia law and I don't think I'd like a world run by twats like Dawkins who doesn't take sexual harassment seriously either.

[@austinluther5825]

Interesting that nowhere in her article about why she's now a Christian did Ayaan Hirsi Ali mention belief in Christ. I realize I'm not a Christian, but isn't that a pretty important part of Christianity? Belief in Christ as the one true savior and all that? I didn't realize being Christian was actually just a political pivot to counter the woke agenda.

[@hanli5416]

I always felt she was just willing to adopt whatever narrative that would benefit her just like any grifter. Apparently she somewhat lied to get dutch citizenship/visa. Then first joined the dutch left labour like party cause they wanted representation. After she posed herself as anti islam the dutch right became interested and she switched over to them. 1-2 years later she moves over to the states and ditches the Netherlands for rich USA.

[@austinluther5825]

@hanli5416 Wow. That is just bizarre behavior. It seems odd even for a grifter. Like, if her goal was just money, there are far more lucrative options that don't make you as much of a political target. I feel like she must have some ideology that she wants to champion, but boy howdy is the messenging mixed.

[@thejuiceking2219]

well christianity kinda has to accept anyone now because they've realised their main strength is strength in numbers

[@puffball4484]

"Civilizational war" wtf are these people on???

[@Fromtitwar]

Well the extreme islamist really consider it as such .

[@nondescriptcat5620]

fascism.

[@Supyloco]

I'm insulted that they talked about religious harm for years and never meant it by calling themselves cultural Christians. Fuck that.

[@cindys9491]

It's probably that as long as they come out ahead/"superior," they agree with it

[@irene_in_progress]

Me listening to the Dawkins interview: bro have you read the Bible??

[@adilson5051]

he just said that christianity is more decent than islam which is true . both don't deserve to exist in a 21st society.

[@thejuiceking2219]

he likes the bit that lets him hate the gays

[@julianshepherd2038]

I celebrate anything with free food

[@danielkelly8980]

To be fair to Richard Dawkins this has always been his view, from years back before everyone started converting.

[@Smc1248]

Thank you for posting this bc it is true. Nothing new

[@truthbetold8233]

Still worth criticizing.

[@danielkelly8980]

​@@truthbetold8233I guess you could criticise him , but he's being categorised in the same group as all these people that have just converted out the blue just because its the new trendy thing to do and I don't think that's fair. He has held these views for so long now, he was doing it because these are his deeply held views, not for popularity and acceptance.

[@truthbetold8233]

@@danielkelly8980 that's because it's almost as stupid

[@purpleprinc3]

Your knowledge of history is outstanding, my mother (Half Irish, half Scottish) told me about how they never taught the Bible to everyone and kept it in Latin so as to control it, Mash'Allah brother, fair play! Bless you, I hope your channel keeps growing 🙏

[@Colddirector]

The funny thing is that from what I can see, traditional latin mass is having a bit of a revival right now. While part of it is "Me angy Pope no hate gays >:(", I suspect another part of it is the Latin makes it seem more exotic and otherworldly to someone who's only had church in their native language. I can kinda see the appeal there - I'm an atheist but I'd totally attend a latin candlelight mass, that sounds really cool.

[@katyungodly]

Maher, Gervais, and Dawkins are the biggest disappointments of the atheist movement. So much potential thrown away just because "ew, trans people"

[@golden-63]

Atheism has nothing to say about being transgender.

[@saattlebrutaz]

You're a bigot. They are not 'ew trans people'. They are 'ew, radical authoritarians who want to play make believe'. Nobody is upset by trans people. People are upset by those who say 'trans women and women are the same thing'.

[@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252]

They don't have a problem with subcultures. There have always been subcultures. Now that classic youth subcultures are dead the trans culture has broken in. The old youth subcultures did not try to go for revolutionary postmodernism where a man can stomp his foot and demand that people call him a woman. Dawkins has always been a critic of postmodernism.

[@sarahbird-lx2de]

@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 the only ones demanding and imposing anything on anyone are the anti trans bigots.

[@sarahbird-lx2de]

@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 the only ones demanding anything of anyone or imposing on anyone are the bigots like you and dawkins and your friends on the christian extreme right.

[@jimbob-robob]

19:00 Muslim apostate Ayaan Hirsi has to call herself a Christian now, rather than the atheist she was as THAT is where the money is in America, and where her centre right platform is most appropriate and lucrative...

[@Andrewbert109]

I couldn't stand Richard Dawkins 15 years ago when every "skeptic" practically worshipped him and I can't say this surprises me in any way. He's always been kind of a moron when it comes to anything outside his particular field.

[@anaalonso2760]

He was also considered a moron in his particular field by many of us scientists

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

In the ex-Muslim atheist community, the biggest voice (a KZbinr named Apostate Prophet) has recently (like post oct 6) started doing streams with a Christian preacher, supporting Isreal and being incredibly racist towards Muslims. A much smaller KZbinr called Apostate Aladdin called him out for this and got dragged through the mud by all the big creators. Thankfully, he’s said that the Arabic speaking community of ex Muslims is better, but the English speaking one has become actively racist. They actually have begun to fill the stereotype of “atheist convert who thinks they are better than people who remain believers”

[@thedude9941]

AP now proudly calls himself an Islamophobe, I thought he had interesting takes early on but after hanging out with David Wood he's embracing fascism.

[@Anhedonxia]

The irony

[@erinl4111]

Yiiiiikes. I've been an atheist since I told my mother I didn't believe in god when I was 7 years old (I told her "I think god is like Santa Claus.") As I got older, I came across the books from Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. I saw Dawkins speak in person. I appreciated that there was more awareness to atheism and that it's okay not to be religious. Over time, it seemed like atheists were starting to congregate and I questioned whether there should be leaders in atheism. I pulled away from the famous figures and they've gone cuckoo ever since. I think a lot of those people are secretly drawn to religion, hence why they wanted to organize. People who are attracted to religion are more prone to brainwashing, so it makes sense that these men are getting sucked into theist religions. How freethinking can you be if you're idolizing a leader?

[@avalokiteshvara113]

Sam Harris has alsp gome mask off in the recent years and is basically conservative lol

[@bubblegirl55]

51 seconds AGO LOL, thanks for the video

[@kakashisensei9258]

To be fair, Ayan Hirsi Ali has always been a Christian apologist. I remember when she was on Mike Huckabee's show and said that "Benjamin Netanyahu deserves the Nobel Peace Prize" after that I lost all respect for her.

[@bernardorodriguez4285]

I lived in Turkey for years. I adored the call to prayer. It isn't aggressive in the least. It wishes you well.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

big "this hippity hop rap is so aggressive" energy

[@Choroalp]

ı dont know so many of you guys like islam. Islam is just an another generic backwards abrahamic religion. Islam is a copy of Christianity, Christianity is a copy(fanfiction) of Judaism and Judaism is just a descendent of Isrealite Polytheism

[@Moistcraictical]

Just wanted to add that Protestantism did destroy Ireland - because it was used as a tool of British colonialism against the mostly Catholic natives. I know it's tempting for Brits to leave that part out and act like we destroyed ourselves with religion, but that's the fact of the matter.

[@TheKavernacle]

I agree James I, Cromwell and William of Orange most importantly forced it on Ireland to help justify colonialism

[@terrydactyl2077]

Does Ayaan just not see how Christian beliefs are incredibly pervasive in modern western politics? Legitimately is one of the core principles of most conservatives?? USA in particular has extremely popular and influential openly Christian Nationalists. Here in Australia it’s very similar. Hillsong Church plays a massive role in shaping the Liberal party’s politics and they aren’t the only powerful religious institution that is doing so. There is always plenty of talk all over mainstream media here that is anti progressive and Christian influenced from attacking queer folk, abortion, Islam and whatnot. We are bombarded with the crap. Delusional. Absolutely delusion.

[@BigBrotherGnE]

She might have a platform on the Daily Wire just to get their "POC voice."

[@terrydactyl2077]

@@BigBrotherGnE haha

[@justinadams7824]

back when I was religious I didn't like Dawkins, now that I am not religious I still don't like Dawkins lol.

[@BLSoldier00]

Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[@WilliamCarterII]

I mean. I'm christian and I've been to many Muslim majority countries and I feel like the call to prayer is kinda lovely. Except one time in Jakarta, the minaret was outside my window lmaaaao Also its weird that he calls out Islam for being misogynist and sure -- granted. but women cant be clergy in most sects of Christianity which is weird bc it was women who kinda made Christianity possible.

[@gabriellehitchins9182]

I remember some chap complaining to the local papers that the bells of Wellington Cathedral was disturbing his Sunday morning lie in. His flat was across the street. The dragging was hard

[@sparrow2823]

Listening to Dawkins talk about how he likes Christianity so much more than Islam is so weird to me, as a queer athiest American. My immediate emotional response to Christianity is one of fear, whereas my reaction to Islam is mostly "hello fellow oppressed minority" with a side of "islamic art and architecture is really cool." Obviously there's gorgeous Christian art and architecture, and Islam, as an Abrahamic religion, can be very homophobic, but the people who have hurt me for being queer have all been Christian, and all the Muslims I've known have been fairly progressive.

[@freddieperkins6953]

I couldn't agree more, in England I feel like the vast majority of homophobia in the country comes from Christianity. Even if the homophobe isn't Christian it comes from their family and friends, passed down from generation to generation from a time when the country was deeply religious

[@guilhermesavoya2366]

@@freddieperkins6953 Now, I'm sure you are right but, proportionally speaking, do you think that is still so? Are people who identify as Christian more likely to be homophobic than people who identify as Muslim? I mean, in Europe, Christianity has been largely tamed or domesticated by Enlightement ideals. There are still extremist Christians, of course, but in general people have learned how to separate or identify as Christian just for cultural reasons, and people are becoming less Christian. Could the same be said of Islam? Are Muslims in Europe becoming less Muslims? Are they doubling down? Turkey is very secular for a Muslim country, as is Albania and the Central Asian countries, but the rate of acceptance for homosexuality is incredibly low. Many poor Christian countries are in the same situation, but many are not. My country of Brazil is very poor as well, and we have much more acceptance (not Western Europe-level, but still more than any Muslim country). Why is that that there isn't a single Muslim country where homosexuality isn't at least half-way accepted?

[@mementomori5670]

Growing up in a catholic school as a Muslim, most of my queer teachers were all welcoming and curious about my faith (much more so than my straight teachers, though they also weren't an islamophobe) without any shred of bigotry, its a large part of my mindset nowadays as a progressive muslim so this was a nice read!

[@nehalilisays]

When people migrate for cultural reasons because they wanna live in a more liberal society, they are gonna be more liberal then the average person or the government in their home country. It's different if they migrate for economic reasons only though.

[@CelestialBarbie]

I love hearing you speak!! ❤ thank you for being so vocal

[@fikerehman9614]

I didn't know what to think of these latest comments from Dawkins... You brought a lot of clarity to my thoughts. Thank you.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

I remember when South Park mocked the fuck out of Richard Dawkins years ago.

[@aliquidcow]

I can't get my head around that Ayaan Hirsi Ali article. It does remind me of that Kurt Vonnegut quote though: “People say there are no atheists in foxholes. A lot of people think this is a good argument against atheism. Personally, I think it's a much better argument against foxholes.” It's as if she's saying that the way to solve the issues of all these warring factions is just to make sure you join the correct one, rather than address the issue of why there are warring factions to begin with. Also I just can't comprehend people joining a religion for some political reason, or any reason besides believing that it is actually true.

[@naldormight6420]

Don't forget a lack of understanding of religions and Islam in particular. Otherwise they would not make such tall claims about "Islam inherent" exclusively.

[@prinnychad]

Great video

[@JamieAlice92]

The fact that anyone takes Dawkins remotely seriously says a lot about British classism. Imagine if he made the exact same points, but with shorter words and a chavy lower-class accent. Would he still be viewed as an intellectual?

[@nondescriptcat5620]

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[@facthunt2facthunt245]

No. He'd be viewed as another Tommy Robinson.

[@saranghae1saranghae]

It's easy to become a "Christian" if you don't read the bible, and ignore everything that Christ & the other prophets advise. American "Christianity" is quite unique in that it's mostly secular, and doesn't require self-reflection of any sort. Most western Christians harbor beliefs that have absolutely no connection to scripture whatsoever, but are instead modern traditions less than 300 years old (ex.: the rapture, the seven deadly sins).

[@ONLYFACT_X]

10/10 video. sorry for the multiple comments ive made but finally a good youtube video on this topic at large. thank you!!!

[@andrewpierce7237]

This video reminded me of Michael Brooks and this quote from his book: "While many of my major intellectual influences are in fact atheists of the old school materialist tradition who analyzed religion as a cultural force determined by economics and social relations, I was always critical of the obsessive view of atheism an an innately liberating belief system that superseded the material conditions that we all live in and that shape our lives. The New Atheists, and [Sam] Harris in particular, spent a lot of time obsessing over the problem that people believe "bad things" even as they ignored the real-world forces that might generate those bad beliefs, and in turn, adopted much of the reactionary worldview of their Christian counterparts in the Bush administration." I'd love to hear what he has to say about everything going on right now. Great video!

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

I noticed this phenomenon a few ears ago. All the r/athiesm KZbinr stars of the early 2010s (that still make content) are now born again Christians who think they are "soldiers of the culture war"

[@I_am_who_I_am_who_I_am]

I grew up among churches and mosques in the Balkans. I'm an atheist and I equally respect all religions. I am at peace equally with both churches and mosques. I don't want neither need Christians nor Muslims respect me.

[@Sol-0T-hn5ro]

Another great one comrade! Also, now im finally a patreon, if i can contribute and actually CHOOSE a person to have a decent life, then kavernacklecho, i choose you. For all the good you do, take care my faraway comrade and brother, wish you the best. Solo-sweden

[@TheLucasplus]

Richard Dawkins is the perfect example of how someone can be a genius in a particular area (biology in his case) and extremely dumb in others.

[@Anaki_Rob]

I am not disagreeing with any of the points that you have brought up, but I do feel the need to comment that for the almost a decade living in a predominantly Muslim local community the locals would often refer to me as a "Christian man", and if I were to protest that 'no, I am an atheist' they would respond that "you're an atheist Christian", and if I were to then try and explain that this is an oxymoron they would then go on to explain their reasoning that I come from a Christian culture, from a Christian family, that I have been baptised and that I celebrate the major Christian holidays. So I guess in the eyes of these individuals I must be a "cultural Christian", even though personally I would say that I have no religion.

[@Dave102693]

They're not wrong though. Cultural Christian atheists are a thing. A lot of these Western Chauvinists are cultural christians.

[@luna-p]

Kinda sounds like the way Jewish is a pretty flexible descriptor

[@AhmetwithaT]

If you think and act like Christian to an outside observer, you are a Christian. Whether you "actually believe" in your heart means very little to other people.

[@zoharcina]

I am also non-religious but I still call myself Muslim because where I live, it signifies national/ethnic identity. I don't think it's a big deal but it is definitely stupid...

[@indigoace261]

Great commentary. Thanks for sharing.

[@unfollowtheinstructions6360]

Blud wrote a book called "The God Delusion" he ain't foolin anybody 😭

[@Funnylookingape]

Some people will do anything to feel important. Even becoming stupider.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

especially when becoming stupider gets them into the lucrative market of reactionary grifting.

[@Allestya666]

This makes me so sad. I used to like a lot if these people, especially Dawkins, he was a major influence in my decision to study biology. I dont get it. Im an atheist. Id call myself a sceptic. I dont like any religion or any beliefs that arent based on verifiable truth, but growing up as a trans person in the US ive been well aware for my whole life how opressive and awful the fundamentalist strains of all religions are. I dont much like islam or Christianity or Judaism (even though im ethnically jewish), but im well aware that the far right strains of all of them are basically the same. They're the same level of bigoted and misogynistic. Dawkins mentions how awful the Quran and other Muslim holy books are to women and gueer people, but completely ignores the fact that the bible says exactly the same shit. Hell the ten commandments include women as chattel along with cows and sheep. I used to believe similarly to them. One of the biggest turning points was an argument i had with a friend where i brought up how awful iran is to live in. He then gave me a very long explanation of how the US toppled the secular democracy in that country and installed islamist dictators as well as many other countries. This began a long period of research into how awful the west has been to the rest of the world and how weve been pulling the strings and influencing everything for our own profit. This was about 10 years ago. Western democrcies diddnt gain their freedoms because of Christianity, they had to beat fundamentalist Christianity into submission and rip those freedoms from its hands. The same way a lot of Muslim countries in the modern world did before we supported coups and instaled dictators in them.