Richard Dawkins vs The God of the Old Testament.

[@johnbright6258]

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction; jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

[@Jeff-z3l3q]

Preach it, Richard!!You are a Modern-Day Hero of the Enlightenment!!

[@benstevinson764]

Richard Dawkins is one of the best People on Planet Earth!

[@holmlllll]

if got exisited why would he create someone who could own him so bad

[@beatleme2]

an old Indian once told his grandson, there are two wolves inside each of us, one is EVIL .. greed Jealous lies cheats steals, the other is GOOD , peace love joy kindness and truth... the grandson thought about it and asked, which one wins ? the old Indian responded " The one you feed "

[@endofscene]

@Quartrez They are agreeing with him and congratulating him for putting it so well.

[@rambledogs2012]

@MrTmapp Oh right, have you witnessed it? Has anyone ever come back from this? I would say a resounding NO on that.

[@DarknessLPs]

@ikawpipa Dahmer served his time at the Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, Wisconsin, where he ultimately declared himself a born-again Christian. This conversion occurred after viewing evangelical material sent to him by his father.[47] Roy Ratcliff, a local preacher from the Churches of Christ, met with Dahmer and agreed to baptize him.

[@FlashVirus]

Valentinus was hand-selected to be Pope. Florinus was a presbyter at Rome under bishop Victor around 200 AD. The Gnostics were treated pretty well until Constatine who bottle-necked the religion.

[@endofscene]

@XeadXhot Death is not feared or abhorred by many people, particularly those who know or feel without question or doubt that there is no actual death. This does not make death insignificant, however. Rather it is a powerful moment of creation wherein a great transition occurs: the person dies to the physical world only to be born into the spiritual one. Each death is a new birth, and each end is a new beginning.

[@freakyphysicsguy]

I wonder how long it took him to put together that sentence so perfectly. Also, you have to question the thinking abilities of those who claim Western law is based on the 10 commandment and/or the bible in general. It's too bad critical thinking is not emphasized more often.

[@ikawpipa]

“if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?” -- JEFFREY DAHMER ( Atheist, Cannibal and Necrophiliac )

[@Jeff-z3l3q]

That's one sleazy attempt to paint atheists as criminals, a technique typically done by unapologetic and unimaginative DIRTBAGS AND SLANDERERS!

[@jasonneverdies7874]

The 'God' of the old testament is my favorite! Lmfao ;)

[@FlashVirus]

What's funny is that ancient Gnostics and anti-Yahweh Christians were well-respected in the early Catholic Church. Valentinus was hand-selected to be Pope, and he was one of the leading Gnostics around. It seemed like a respected position to take.

[@BlackPandaTKS]

"@phatmatt1176 better than being friends with that guy. Hi my best friend is the cause for over one million deaths... and that's only in his book that claims he is real." thats a good best friend to have.

[@urho88]

Are you familiar with about a logical fallacy called "no true scotsman"? Alice: All Scotsmen enjoy haggis. Bob: My uncle is a Scotsman, and he doesn't like haggis! Alice: Well, all true Scotsmen like haggis. See what I did there?

[@valu777]

@divinegod102 im 52 years old thanks for the complement

[@widaAcK]

Someone once misspelled "Good" as "God" *Agent 000.0*

[@ikawpipa]

@DarknessLPs - 2 Corinthians 12:9 - but he has told me, "My grace is all you need, because my power is perfected in weakness." Therefore, I will most happily boast about my weaknesses, so that the Messiah's power may rest on me.

[@ikawpipa]

@DarknessLPs - which is older a rock or a dinosaur? how old is a rock?

[@MsPlum5]

Well said, Richard!

[@whatshendrix]

@Quartrez I agree, although I think that the crowd is applauding not out of hate for the god of the bible, but because of their appreciation of Dawnkis` punctuality.

[@JimaaaH]

Owned in 33 seconds. - Thanks, and good night.

[@Eyelash85]

This is a question from who dont seem to have a clue what others believes. But allow me repond this way: The Art of War, a book written 2500 years ago, still being a best seller and a must read to any militar expert. For christians, basicaly, what remain of the Old Testament is the "morality" of the law. The "cerimonial" and "ritual" part are no longer needed. Even the jewish understand that the most important is to know "why" the things was written that way, more than pratice It. - Mt 22:37-39

[@lo2enge]

@ajob As i stated before, i DO believe there are moral absolutes, but i also subscribe to the philosophy that most morality is subjective & comparative. I am not homosexual, but your implication does not upset me in any way because i do not see it as a bad thing. "You think oppression and discrimination is wrong, yet past civilisations have thrived on them." I fail to see your point here - we are evolving away from such unreconstructed attitudes through the mechanism of sexual selection.

[@FlashVirus]

Well I have to agree. I think there is scientific research that suggests the paranormal world exists. I like what Dr. Pim Van Lommel & Rupert Sheldrake have been investigating and I don't think the skeptic community should ignore their research.

[@shieldsff]

I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives

[@mr.x5374]

This sentence gives me eargasm lol

[@DarknessLPs]

@ikawpipa Depends on the rock and the dinosaur, ultimately there are some rocks that are going to be older then dinosaurs as they would have existed before that complex of an organism evolved. The only way to find out the age of either is by elemental dating.

[@shieldsff]

@Madman1234855 - On the contrary- quite a bit ! What it makes clear to me (that is if you take as fact the entirety of its accounts) is that the one God of creation is both sovereign and personal- that He has intervened and been active in the affairs of His creation and people since the very beginning of all things. This same God has revealed personal attributes- He is Personal, Sovereign, omniscient, omnipotent,creative, merciful, forgiving, just, Loving, & HOLY, HOLY, HOLY

[@Peebody]

@Gosu117 Just because he isn't real doesn't mean he doesn't have characteristics.. He's a character in a book. If you looked at superman you could say he is just and kind and loving and honorable. He's obviously not real but he displays these characteristics based on the way his creators wrote it.

[@warzoneG5]

@Haizum74 what riddles?

[@Madman1234855]

@shieldsff i assume you never read the old testament?

[@Rosette2121]

@MrTmapp Why would anyone want to follow a god who condemns you to hell just because a guy fancies boys over girls? What is the problem with that? Why is it such a terrible thing? I really cannot understand it.

[@Williamwestp24]

Exactly. its good to know that more and more people coming to understanding this whole concept. Peace and love to you.

[@WickedJ133]

Science is not interested in anecdotes.

[@MrAmorphous]

Even if God were real, he'd need an incredibly horriffic Hell for me to ever kneel before him. I'd never do it voluntarily, that's for sure

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp Where does it say rape is punished by death to the rapist? If he has to marry his victim and cannot divorce her, he's obviously expected to live and prosper, at her expense. However, if you cite that, it will be an OUTSTANDING example of a Biblical contradiction. Please, do dig that hole and fall in it.

[@nwoDekaTsyawlA]

Here is a quick challenge to Christians: Name one crime or atrocity against mankind that was not explicitly (God says ...) or implicitly (by people talking 'in the name of the Lord') performed, endorsed or condoned by God in the bible. If God is really all-loving, I am sure that many people will answer this... right?

[@shieldsff]

think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives

[@urho88]

He's describes the God of the Old Testament, a written character. If you listen closely, you'll hear him say: "...in all fiction". His point is that God in the Old Testament isn't such a "good God" that christian people nowadays seem to think. Of course you he doesn't hate God - he thinks it doesn't even exist!

[@TheNerdGamerDude]

... says the guy calling him that

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp Nope, read the whole thing cover to cover more than once. In Proverbs 8 and 9, it talks of god lusting after Wisdom.....a female deity. BTW, those verses you quoted merely imply that lust isn't wrong or pervese. You're so sweet to make my points for me!

[@shieldsff]

• I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives

[@viridismonasteriense]

@shieldsff And you added: "So therefore, if you are serious about being 'objective' & 'empirical' than make a small investment of time" Which basically comes down to: 'I'm right. You are wrong. Look it up.' You don't back this up with any facts or evidence. It's a blatant assertion that you say the evidence backs you up and anyone who disagrees with this is wrong and is not being 'objective and empirical'. Claims asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[@WickedJ133]

The 21 grams leaving your body when you die is an urban legend propagated by a guy who did bad science - looking for an answer he already believed was true. No one has ever been able to replicate this experiment he did with matching results.

[@Williamwestp24]

True Christianity and Judaism do not mix.

[@sids500]

@nakedBison69 Meaningless babble, unwarranted abuse and absolutely no argument made. Well done.

[@viridismonasteriense]

@shieldsff I see it as a reasonable question. If you disagree with Dawkins on the character of god in the bible, please explain why. "So therefore, if you are serious about being 'objective' & 'empirical' than make a small investment of time" Basically, you are saying 'the evidence is out there you just need to look for it'. Just more assertions and demonstrations of gullibility in the bible's word.

[@stompeee]

@PrinceFelipe "Did big bang tell you so?" Ohhhhhhh the irony.

[@akguitar94]

DAWKINS - 1 GOD - sorry, have to be real to enter this competition

[@CtheWolfe]

Well what does it say that God created the devil knowing that the devil would be exactly how he is? I mean God knows everything right? So why create something that would inevitably be complete evil? And then why not remove his presence? Why allow all the suffering? God himself is Malevolent. He wants us to suffer that is the only logical reason why.

[@shieldsff]

@Seraph821-"Please tell me what Dawkins got wrong, specifically." Lastly, sorry but I will NOT oblige your request.. I am not trying to be obstinate, but think about it- you rush to a blind defense of his position with a blatant disregard for any facts. If it were a matter of some one excoriating a materialist view w/ no utter grasp of the relevant facts I would also take them to task. So therefore, if you are serious about being 'objective' & 'empirical' than make a small investment of time

[@shieldsff]

@viridismonasteriense - There is nothing fishy about my statement at all.

[@GetMeThere1]

@Ilikejpgs And we have to wonder what Lucifer knows that we don't. Lucifer supposedly knew god PERSONALLY--and then did whatever he could to get AWAY!

[@TurboDally]

@virtualguitarist "This is why so many atheist here on youtube resort to name calling, look who their role model is." It's not exactly name calling when you label a brush a brush, labelling it for what it is. The god of the old testament is indeed as Dawkins described it. It's your monotheistic bias to the Abrahamic deity which makes you feel offended by this description, had you been a member of another religion, you wouldn't find it insulting but characterising another, meaner god.

[@KristerAndersson-nc8zo]

@simonmathew615 Are you serious? Science is the proof that there are no god, besides which god are you talking about? Zeus, Krishna, allah, Odin, Manitou, Ares? Which?

[@TheNerdGamerDude]

@VirgilFoxMusic aah the deluded term. so just because he believes the names are true, which they arent because he is taking the bible out of context, means that it is 100% mature for him to use "name calling" for no virtual reason but to bring down his enemy? (which it doesnt)

[@bornbythesea]

Why does Richard Dawkins see the necessity of plugging the "non-existent God" with every insult that could ever be heaped on a person if he doesn't believe the person he is attacking exists? If He is a fable of an outdated and barbaric past why does he not ignore Him instead of giving Him so much attention?...is he exhibiting hate for this being that doesn't exist? What is the purpose of hating a being that doesn't exist and insulting Him? Does Richard have a God-hating agenda? I don't know.

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp Oh yes, Christianity DOES endorse all those things. Here's a few references for you to enjoy: Genocide and rape of captives: Judges 21:10-24 Buying and selling slaves: Leviticus 25:44-46 Death for adultery: Leviticus 20:10 Death for working on the Sabbath: Exodus 31:12-15 Child murder: Judges 11:29-40 Murder non-believers: Deuteronomy 13:13-19 Victims must marry their rapists: 22:28-29 And the kicker.....Jesus says you have to DO IT ALL: Matthew 5:18-19.

[@no1hoopsman]

@southernlovin85 ...Is that Dubya he is describing there? Sounded like him

[@lo2enge]

@acceptjesusorburn "your not in a position to command for what reason people can hate. people can justify any hate and discrimination with logic and reason" I am in a position to condemn unjustified hate when i question the logic and reason that goes into it. If something isn't a threat (and even some cases where it is) hate is unjustifiable in my opinion, and ought to be opposed.

[@jipke]

@musical149 Quoting scripture (written by men, for the umpteenth time!) does not justify or validate anything. So it is not shaking any grounds here. As for theologian studies: I can devote my whole life to investigating a book about lapricorns and advocate their existence, but that doesn't enhance the truth value.

[@OmfgItsHenu]

gods timeline is slightly contradictin. it took him 3 days to make the earth and only 1 to create everything else? all the stars, galaxies.. im not sure if that makes sense...

[@1Mafioso4]

"god" just got owned

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp IF your god created EVERYTHING, then yes, he DID create lust in all its forms. Do sit on one side or the other. You can't have it both ways. Either he created everything or he didn't. If he did, he created lust. If he didn't, he's not the creator of the universe.

[@kramdoogs]

And they're his good points

[@disturbedshawn]

@deathshadow790 even IF what you just said had anything to do with my original question, he's not "calling God names" he's actually calling him out. If you walked up to your neighbor and called him a homophobic racist, i doubt anyone would say you were "calling him names like a three year old does". We're not talking about Mr. Poo-Poo Pants here...

[@MoralRapist]

@MrTmapp only problem with that is that mitochodrial eve an the first male traceable ancestor lived more than 20000 years apart. Look it up. A series I found informative was "human ancestry made easy" by potholer54 You're welcome.

[@stompeee]

@PrinceFelipe What you're asking is irrelevant. I pointed out an ironic, rather hypocritical, question you asked. Does it seem familiar at all, or are you going to justify your way out of this one?

[@GarysBeerReview]

@MultiKronblom Gotta love how creationists will give their invisible sky daddy all of the credit for Scientific progression, but then will bash it if it doesn't agree with their dogmatic agenda.

[@shieldsff]

I think you mis-interpret my response. You will note that my initial post was directed to Seraph821, You then impose & ask me (regarding that discussion) "Basically, you are saying 'the evidence is out there you just need to look for it'. I corrected U, however, that in the context of the exchange U were incorrect; I would add just as you are incorrect now that the case has not been 'proven" (time over &over again, in fact). Of course there is all kinds of proof not conditioned on UR approval

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Stalin went to seminary before becoming dictator. Pol Pot was Buddhist. As for the kids in Columbine, I have no idea and neither do you. Most gang member, especially Hispanic gang members, identify themselves as Christian. Don't smear atheists with your moral turpitude. That's the province of the religious. Oh, and ONCE AGAIN, I'm not an atheist.

[@Eyelash85]

Some people needs history lessons. The biggest mistake of all Is some "genious" compare another culture and epoc with nowadays. Another error is some of those start blaming the Bible for inventing this laws (whats is not true, cos the majority of those laws already existed and were simple organized by the jeish book). By other words, the Old Testament was based in the mentality and way of be of that time, and (for the christians) was perfected with the advent of Christ.

[@shieldsff]

@Seraph821 -"Please tell me what Dawkins got wrong, specifically." Lastly, sorry but I will NOT oblige that request.. I am not trying to be obstinate, but think about- you rush to a blind defense of his position with a blatant disregard for any facts. If it were a matter of some one excoriating a materialist view w/ no utter grasp of the relevant facts I would also take them to task. So therefore, if you are serious about being 'objective' & 'empirical' than make a small investment of time

[@nedloh40]

HEAR! HEAR!

[@lo2enge]

@acceptjesusorburn I have read "the Selfish Gene", i do not see how what i said contradicts it in any way. Of course our morality is defined by how we've evolved... i was pointing out it still is being effected by that I believe your conclusion that homophobia is natural is incorrect, just because morality can be demonstrated to be evolutionary doesn't mean every moral impulse comes from within. Hatred of that which does not threaten us is unnatural, i believe that is learned behaviour

[@viridismonasteriense]

@shieldsff Why do you assume I haven't done any serious inquiry? Do you assume from the getgo that your interpretation of the character of god in the bible is right and mine is wrong? What makes you say you are right? So, yes, you are saying: "the evidence that I am right is out there, just look for it, I'm not bothered to prove my own case because my beliefs aren't based on proof, I don't need proof, I have faith that my interpretation of god is right regardless of what the evidence says."

[@byteresistor]

@bornbythesea One cannot ignore the non-existant when the non-existant has followers who'll do things in its name.

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp It does too. It even says god laid with Wisdom Read your Bible. The Bible mentions Wisdom as the female deity. I'm not reading a wrong translation and I'm not the one perverting it. You're the one willfully ignoring what is written right there for all to see. And I did cite my scripture. Proverbs 8 and 9. Clearly cited. Do keep up....this will be SO much easier if you do.

[@johnking5174]

Perfect description of that god, and Christians still think the "son" of that god Jesus was totally different. In fact, scratch the surface and Jesus was just as cruel and nasty as his daddy is. However PR bullshit of the gospels tries to make it look better

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp No, she could have been gagged or rendered unconscious or simply paralyzed with fear. Screams can be muffled with a HAND. And honestly, even if she WAS willing, still not a reason to kill her! Do you not get that? It is not okay to kill women just for exercising her rights over her own body, including having sex. I don't CARE if she was considered property at the time. That doesn't make it right or moral. You do like to dig your own hole, don't you?

[@rambledogs2012]

@warzoneG5 I would have if I could understand what you are trying to say rather than decipher riddles.

[@Rosette2121]

Perhaps because there isn't a father of the human race.

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

@plasticmax9 quite possibly, although i suppose i'll be perfect, so i probably won't need any practice :) makes me wonder who will win all the rugby matches... or if winning is even possible lol

[@joshkresnik6402]

You forgot insecure, selfish, and one dimensional

[@thelasthourgetready]

What about the God of the new testament? It's the same God....

[@viridismonasteriense]

@shieldsff ". I corrected U, however, that in the context of the exchange U were incorrect" No, you were saying the exact same thing, you just shuffled the words around a bit. I smelled something fishy about that statement and I stand by it. It was a reasonable question which you did not answer. What is wrong with Dawkins' interpretation of the god of the old testament's character in the bible? I read your response as 'you're wrong, but I'm not going to explain why.' A blatant assertion.

[@bornbythesea]

@Haizum74 OK, begin.

[@skywize]

@desasterz You realize he gave Noah two of every animal, and his family (actually I believe he told Noah to build it himself as I recall...) then proceeded to drown every living thing on the planet..... That sounds like the miracles of today. Some idiot blows away about thirty people, and one woman survives with a horrible head injury....it's a miracle!!!

[@FlashVirus]

I don't know if they truly hate God. From what I have come to understand the true God (Christ) is far beyond the petty war God contained in the Old Testament. It was our (Christians) fault for trying to merge the Old & New Testaments and make them fit coherently. So Atheists and even most Christians look on in confusion wondering why the OT god appears so barbaric. I think if we get our act together, atheists will start re-converting back to Christ.

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

all those big words and then.......bully anticlimax

[@ZiplineShazam]

@shieldsff No.

[@lo2enge]

@ajob "Homophobia is just as equally a natural response as is homosexuality" I believe you are viewing things far too simplistically. Our tendency to uncritically accept what we are taught in childhood is also a survival trait that's evolved (hence the popularity of superstitionism). It can be demonstrated that we have many prejudices that are, actively unhealthy as far as basic genetic drives go - racism, for example, which discourages essential diversity - the wider the gene pool the better.

[@samaroo96]

Unpleasant man, Richard dawkins. Most foolish and evil man on earth. Such people not just going in hell but leading many too. These people are the cause of fall for many. I don't know, how I should expose my anger against such foolish man, because I would not be able to abuse or hate like atheists do. What can I say, only good wishes for their soul. May God show them the Truth.

[@WickedJ133]

What an interesting statement. Too bad it's incorrect. Look at the history of our planet, thousands if not millions of wars have started because of religion, because your "loving" god doesn't so much love the people who believe in a different god. We need more atheists and people like him, because people like him do have a tremendous amount of love and hope for the ones who deserve it and that would be us, the people of this earth. Not some cruel being that most likely doesn't even exist.

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

@plasticmax9 yeah, He only gave us the option for eternal life. how unfair

[@ZZzzzzzWhat]

@Eyelash85 A diferença temporal ñ altera o facto de a Biblia ser imoral. 'deus' ordenou massacres crueis e crianças, idosos e mulheres ñ estavam imunes a esta crueldade. Cristo (deus na terra) ñ condena as leis do velho testamento, ele apoia (Mateus 5:17). The timespan between ages doesn't change the fact that the bible is immoral. 'god' unjust commanded massacres, young, old and women weren't immune to his cruelty. Christ (god on Earth) doesn't condemn the laws of OT (Matthew 5:17).

[@ciaochowbella]

@MrTmapp So IF man is created in God's image and God created all that man is, then didn't God create lust? Doesn't that mean that since humans are the image of God that God also lusts? If God didn't create lust then where did it come from? BTW, if you're going to blame the Devil, remember according to your beliefs, God created him too KNOWING full well what he could and would do.......meaning your god DID create lust. Oh, and how do you KNOW God doesn't lust? Proverbs 8 and 9 imply he does.

[@YesYou123333]

@CaptainMorgan6777 If it weren't for Jesus, it would be "put in place". And, there would be nothing YOU could do about it.