Old Testament vs. New Testament God

[@ambbarofficial]

People posed this question to Jesus in the context of the rules for divorce in the Old Testament. He responded that “because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so”. So I assume that as we exist in space and time, God’s relationship with man has a consideration of this reality and reveals Himself in the appropriate manner in each epoch.

[@marvalice3455]

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[@hybreeztrapper_ml8sb]

Yahweh is a physical god like those of egyptians while Jesus said is father Is of spirit no one has seen him at any time. Yahweh is not the father Jesus Christ was talking about. If you're going to say Yahweh is God then you're Left with a mountain of contradictions because Yahweh and Jesus Christ are totally polar opposites. Exodus 15:3 "The lord is a man of war: Yahweh is his name." So god here is a man and fights other nations with their gods to prove his power what kind of power and threat do those other gods pose to Yahweh. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old called the devil and Satan who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto earth and his angels were cast out with him. "Who deceiveth the whole world " The Elohim of the old testament in Deuteronomy 32:8 When they divided the nations amongst themselves. 1 kings 22:23 "Now therefore behold the lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee." Yahweh is a liar He has been deceiving the Israelites in the old testament. 2corinthians 3:14... But their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the Same Vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament which Vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day when Moses is read the Vail is upon their heart. So the Vail is lifted with new Gospel of truth by Jesus Christ but the Vail still remains because of the reading of Moses Torah why because the bible clearly tells you that Moses was deceived by Yahweh/Satan Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darkness for light and light for darkness that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ." The deceived Christians and Jews see Yahweh as God and evil he did in the OT as good or justifiable by making apologetics excuses For what evil he did like killing women and children without realizing they're actually defending a tyrant god Hosea 13:7-8 Yahweh/Jehovah says... "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion:as a leopard by the way I observe them. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps and will rend the caul of their heart and there will I devour them like a Lion: the wild beast shall tear them." Let's interpret this with Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which i Saw was like unto a leopard and his feet were as the feet of a bear (to Tear nations) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (to devour nations ) the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority." So whose the dragon we go back to Deuteronomy 32:8 Dead Sea Scrolls: “When Elyon gave the nations as an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God (bene elohim). For Yahweh’s portion was his people; Jacob was the lot of his inheritance”. So Yahweh was given authority and power over Israel by Elyon. So Elyon Is the dragon while Yahweh is a lesser god. Peter 5:8 "Be sober. Be vigilant. For your enemy the Devil is like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour." Be careful with Yahweh because he devours. 2samuel 24:1 The LORD's(Yahweh) anger against Israel flared again,a and he incited David against them: “Go, take a census of Israel and Judah.” 1 chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count Israel. So here it's clear that Yahweh is the devil and he really incited David. But theologians will try to say that the lord allowed the devil to incite David when the Bible clearly shows you who did it. John 1:17 For the laws was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 8:19 Where is your father?” they asked. Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, you would also know my Father.” John 8:44 " You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies". Jesus is telling the pharisees the god Yahweh they worship is a liar and has deceived them since Genesis

[@jeaninehicks2907]

Thank you for sharing. Is there a book or other source you can point me to, to learn more about what you’re claiming?

[@HcgrEsthHchcWeydhji]

@@hybreeztrapper_ml8sb😂😂

[@exaucemayunga22]

Are you saying God allows sin depending on one's culture? Isn't God the same before, today and forever?

[@EndTimesHarvest]

There is an important observation to be made in this discussion of how the New Testament God is so different from the Old Testament God: when you get to the book of Revelation in the New Testament, God once again becomes just like how He is depicted in the Old Testament: full of wrath, judgment, vengeance, and a desire to destroy the wicked. In the events of Revelation, God pours out His wrath upon mankind throughout the Tribulation period, He destroys Babylon the Great, Jesus returns and slays the wicked, and Jesus smites the nations and subdues them. The kind of God described in Revelation is the same kind of God described in the Old Testament; the God of the Old and New Testaments are one in the same.

[@alexdelosreyes6076]

OT God: If you do certain evil things, you'll get what's coming. Like immediately. NT God: If you do certain evil things, you'll get what's coming. Not right now, but soon and eternally.

[@CMVBrielman]

It occurs to me that the same perspective that condemns God for His harshness in the Old Testament will simultaneously hold it self evident that modern society is more ethical and moral than previous generations.

[@marvalice3455]

This is basically my current take. We are currently about as morally bankrupt and wicked as we ever have been, yet they think everything is hunky dory, and they are in a position to judge God. I don't think the two are divisible either.

[@rckstrrrr]

@@marvalice3455 This is a really interesting take, I haven't thought about this! I'm wondering, if you don't mind, could you give me examples that support the idea that we as a society haven't grown more ethical and moral than previous generations? I'm thinking about the times where slavery was more tolerated worldwide in the past, and times where women were mainly seen as objects to be owned, used and sold, there were less ethical laws in place.. more crimes were punishable by death, etc.. I can definitely see how the world has grown to be more ethical. I'd really like to hear your view point and explanation on this!

[@jayboy2kay7]

@rocki9148 if you are a straight white male, you are told you are useless, mocked, degraded, called every “ist” and “phobe” under the sun, if you don’t believe in extreme left wing progressive ideology you are also demonised, women have taken complete moral authority over what is right and wrong, people can be cancelled for saying or doing one wrong thing, and worse even accusing someone of wrongdoing is taken as gospel now, extreme wealth is given to the top 1% of the 1% while the poor get poorer, social media bas absolutely ruined a generation, economic collapse, the list goes on. Today’s society is rotten and needs a complete reset.

[@IdontlikeWhytepeople]

@@rckstrrrrrape, human trafficking and extortion is prevalent amongst the elite, and who is in control of this physical world? The Elite. Women are still used as sex dolls, little boys and girls are still being Sexual Assaulted while the poor stay hungry and cold. The Catholic Church has enough money to feed and clothed all the poor…but look around. Religious wars are still being fought til this day. Law and order has been in play since the dawn of man, and since the dawn of man Law and order has been broken time and time again.

[@aniyaruffin3288]

Sorry can u explain the point? R u implying that since humans Change over time then so does God? If that’s what u saying that’s a bit blasphemous

[@Byron.D]

To add onto this a couple of things need to be said: 1. Christ IS the God of the Old Testament. No man has seen the Father save for the Son. Meaning that He who walked with Adam in the Garden was the pre-incarnate Christ. The one whom Abraham considered friend and spoke with face to face was the pre-incarnate Christ. The one who spoke to Moses in the bush was "The Angel of The Lord" which we know is the pre-incarnate Christ. The Rock of water and the manna from Heaven that they ate and drank from. When the Israelites ask for a king God says "They rejected me as their King," and we know that only Christ is the one true king of Israel and the World. Even Creation it shows the Father speaking things into existence and order. Christ as the eternal WORD of God has always been the one whom the Father enacts His will through. 2. No one in the bible speaks more of Hell, Damnation, and of the destruction that WILL come upon sinners if they do not follow the Son of Man, the only begotten of God, than Christ Himself. Christ's first coming was of salvation, but don't get it confused it's also a fairly strict and blatant warning to get it together before he comes again in Judgement. Just like how in the Old Testament God would be long suffering and would continually warn the Israelites time and time again before he enacts his wrath on them for not listening. 3. The vast majority of the books within the Old Testament take place before, during, or soon after a war. The Israelites were in a near constant state of struggle both from the exterior nations and from their own internal idolatrous ways. If they weren't being invaded, they were invading, and if it wasn't either those two they were either in or about to start a civil war. If you actually pay attention to how God deals with his people there's always a cycle of "Warning>Merciful Waiting To Allow Repentance>Judgement And War>Redemption Of The Holy Remnant." Christ was humanity's final revelation and warning. This Christian age is our Lord's final long suffering to allow as many people as possible to come to him and be saved; because after the Final Judgement and Redemption of his people this cycle isn't going to repeat again.

[@russellcollier8320]

What does pre-incarnate Christ mean?

[@Byron.D]

@@russellcollier8320 Pre-incarnate Christ is the second person of the trinity, The Son aka Jesus, before his physical and temporal incarnation as a man. Christ is the Eternal Uncreated Word of God who became flesh and dwelt among us. Christ didn't just appear in the New Testament, he's found all throughout the Old Testament once you know where to look. If you want to know more I recommend looking up articles and writings on "Jesus in The Old Testament." Also this isn't a Christian invention either as even the Jews, prior to later rabbinical reforms done in response to Christianity, believed in "Two Powers In Heaven." As even they realized that there seemed to be "Two YWHW's yet only one God/Lord."

[@russellcollier8320]

@@Byron.D Thank you for the reply.

[@gunsgalore7571]

Oh my... Point 1 is VERY interesting, never heard it before, but the argument you make is convincing. I'm going to need to research that, as it would totally blow away my six-year-old self's interpretation of the Old Testament. Wow.

[@hybreeztrapper_ml8sb]

Jesus came to redeem mankind from the curse of false gods we had made a covenant with. There's no eternal damnation in the old testament or eternal Life. Because the devil can't give you that. He meant to bound humans in the flesh and material world that's why he promised Israel the Land of milk and honey. Jesus offered salvation because we are not in his father's world but of the devil's. Hebrews 2:14-15 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil- 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. See Yahweh in the old testament had power of death until Jesus Christ came and took it from him rendering him powerless. Jesus took the keys from Satan when he was in Hades. Yahweh killed millions in the old testament including children. Yahweh laws states that an eye for an eye Jesus says that love your enemy Yahweh brought only sickness while Jesus healed Judges 1:19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. In 2 Kings 3, Moab was a vassal to Israel, and it decided to rebel against Israel. (v. 4-5) Israel, Judah, and Edom decide to strike back. They stop by the prophet Elisha to get Yahweh's word on whether they will be victorious. Elisha prophecies that "(Yahweh) will also deliver Moab into your hands. You will overthrow every fortified city and every major town." (v. 18-19) This parallel is clear. in 2 Kings 3, Yahweh's prophecy of victory is a failure, and a Moabite god's wrath drives Israel into retreat. In the Moabite Inscription, Chemosh's wrath ends in Yahweh's defeat and the fleeing of Israel. Yahweh is not some sort of omnipotent being in much of the Bible. He is one of many gods, and he is a god that can be beaten.This appears to be the case, and every major city is destroyed except Kir Hareseth, or "Fortified City of Dirt." Over and over, Moab is defeated. But, suddenly, in verse 27, the Moabite king sacrifices his own child, and "divine wrath" fell on Israel, causing them to retreat. The Bible tries to show you that maybe Yahweh let them win but if you read with an open mind you will see the truth clearly. Yahweh is not all powerful after all. Luke 9:54-56 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?” But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village. If it was God the father who rained down fire in the old testament then why did yeshua rebuke them and say "you don't know the manner of the spirit you are of" Jesus can't contract himself so what manner of the spirit he's talking about. The spirit of Yahweh the devil is not the divine father's spirit. Genesis 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. John 5:37 And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. Jesus said no one has ever seen or heard from his father so who was Moses talking to.... Yahweh so he can't be God the father. Yahweh was an angel who gave the law to judge his nation. Psalm 82 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “Gods”: 2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked?[b] 3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. 5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6 “I said, ‘You are “Gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” 8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance. Psalms states that the gods were being condemned as corrupt in their administration of the nations of the earth. How many god's are there. Deuteronomy 32:8 "When Elyon gave the nations as an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God (bny 'elhym]). For Yahweh's portion was his people; Jacob was the lot of his inheritance". So Yahweh looks up to a higher god than him that's elyon and turns out that he's his son and that elyon has other sons that inherited the nations so they can judge but it seems in psalms that they are not judging accordingly. And they're being reminded the order their father elyon gave them lest they all die like men. So the gods are mere mortals. Matthew 11:27 Jesus claims a direct relationship to God the Father: "No one knows the Son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the Son" Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” 4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. To my understanding of the passage it seems the devil doesn't know if Jesus Christ is the son of God and attempts to test his power to prove the claim. So basically no one at that time knew the son of the God father and the God father himself proving the old testament was just fallen angels taking Gods glory for themselves and be exalted. Again, further in the chapter the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” So the devil is in possession of this material world and he can give it to whom he wishes. Where In the Bible has an incidence like that happen Let's go back to the old testament. Isaiah 45:1-5 'This is what the LORD says to Cyrus, his appointed king: “I hold your right hand and will help you defeat nations and take away other kings’ power. I will open doors for you so city gates will not stop you. I will go before you and make the mountains flat. I will break down the bronze gates of the cities and cut through their iron bars. I will give you the wealth that is stored away and the hidden riches so you will know I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who calls you by name. I do these things for my servants, the people of Jacob, and for my chosen people, the Israelites. Cyrus, I call you by name, and I give you a title of honor even though you don’t know me.' So Yahweh the devil gives the prince of Persia power over the nations. The world of the true father and the lies of Satan are intertwined to lead Christians astray. The old testament is history of the Israelites and not the true word of God. The true word of God is the New gospel. The Bible is clear only if you read in the lens of Jesus will you see the truth and what the devil has been trying to deceive us. John 5:39 39 “You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Jesus was talking of the Torah the Jews read. Jesus is the only the truth the way and life. Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace. Jesus did away with the ten commandments so if he's the one that gave Moses why does he do them away. It's clear that Yahweh and Jesus Christ are of different nature and that Jesus came to set us free from the bondages of this material world that the devil's tries to contain us in so we can't access the divine spirit of the true father of the cosmos. The law of sin and death the law of Moses was given by Yahweh we do not follow any more. We now follow after a new law, "The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus." Which will make a man free from sin and death. Jesus came with life so we can sin no more. We walk in the spirit now under Christ's law of spirit and life. Because what's evil for your heart the holy spirit will disagree with it. So the law of Yahweh is unnecessary.

[@DoctorLazertron]

I had issues with the “jealous God” thing, then remembered what happens when you worship something like money or sex.

[@marvalice3455]

It's also important to remember that while our culture conflated jealousy envy and covetousness, in scripture they are very much not the same. To covet is to desire something that rightly belongs to someone else. To envy is to desire someone lose the good things they have (whether you get them or not) Jealousy though, in scripture is mostly about not wanting others to have what is yours. This can be a vice, but it can be a virtue too, depending on the context. The Lord is not envious. He is protective of that which is rightfully his.

[@tvhead7074]

@@marvalice3455I took a screen shot of this

[@hybreeztrapper_ml8sb]

Yahweh is a physical god like those of egyptians while Jesus said is father Is of spirit no one has seen him at any time. Yahweh is not the father Jesus Christ was talking about. If you're going to say Yahweh is God then you're Left with a mountain of contradictions because Yahweh and Jesus Christ are totally polar opposites. Exodus 15:3 "The lord is a man of war: Yahweh is his name." So god here is a man and fights other nations with their gods to prove his power what kind of power and threat do those other gods pose to Yahweh. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old called the devil and Satan who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto earth and his angels were cast out with him. "Who deceiveth the whole world " The Elohim of the old testament in Deuteronomy 32:8 When they divided the nations amongst themselves. 1 kings 22:23 "Now therefore behold the lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee." Yahweh is a liar He has been deceiving the Israelites in the old testament. 2corinthians 3:14... But their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the Same Vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament which Vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day when Moses is read the Vail is upon their heart. So the Vail is lifted with new Gospel of truth by Jesus Christ but the Vail still remains because of the reading of Moses Torah why because the bible clearly tells you that Moses was deceived by Yahweh/Satan Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darkness for light and light for darkness that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ." The deceived Christians and Jews see Yahweh as God and evil he did in the OT as good or justifiable by making apologetics excuses For what evil he did like killing women and children without realizing they're actually defending a tyrant god Hosea 13:7-8 Yahweh/Jehovah says... "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion:as a leopard by the way I observe them. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps and will rend the caul of their heart and there will I devour them like a Lion: the wild beast shall tear them." Let's interpret this with Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which i Saw was like unto a leopard and his feet were as the feet of a bear (to Tear nations) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (to devour nations ) the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority." So whose the dragon we go back to Deuteronomy 32:8 Dead Sea Scrolls: “When Elyon gave the nations as an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God (bene elohim). For Yahweh’s portion was his people; Jacob was the lot of his inheritance”. So Yahweh was given authority and power over Israel by Elyon. So Elyon Is the dragon while Yahweh is a lesser god. Peter 5:8 "Be sober. Be vigilant. For your enemy the Devil is like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour." Be careful with Yahweh because he devours. 2samuel 24:1 The LORD's(Yahweh) anger against Israel flared again,a and he incited David against them: “Go, take a census of Israel and Judah.” 1 chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count Israel. So here it's clear that Yahweh is the devil and he really incited David. But theologians will try to say that the lord allowed the devil to incite David when the Bible clearly shows you who did it. John 1:17 For the laws was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 8:19 Where is your father?” they asked. Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, you would also know my Father.” John 8:44 " You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies". Jesus is telling the pharisees the god Yahweh they worship is a liar and has deceived them since Genesis

[@ashley_brown6106]

He's only jealous like a lover is jealous when his beloved is giving her attention to someone else. Which is COMPLETELY understandable because it's betrayal.

[@DoctorLazertron]

@@ashley_brown6106 Definitely agree, and when it comes to other Old Testament criticisms of God’s behavior outside of our understanding, like wrathfulness or harsh punishment - even I can be guilty of putting God to human standards, when that’s just mind-bendingly backwards. The only reason we _have_ standards is because of God’s revelatory and natural laws.

[@orlindamyanov2989]

God is not Death but Life... That's why Jesus came to let us know the real God. Yahweh is not the Father

[@insertmetalusernamehere]

Ever since hearing about this it has made the Bible make so much more sense.

[@LawGarithmic]

There's simply no more honest an indication of fear than the clench of a sphincter. - Albert Einstein 2/4/2420

[@gunsgalore7571]

2420? Am I missing something?

[@jayboy2kay7]

R/woosh

[@jacksonrelaxin3425]

@@jayboy2kay7 loser

[@FraterSpiritus]

I’m reading “Against Heresies” by St. Irenaeus, definitely something more people should read.

[@joenathan8059]

I will. Thank you for sharing this book with us,may god bless you

[@Wizard_of_Light]

The idea of Heresy in itself is ridiculous

[@katiehorneshaw995]

You realise that document unilaterally condemns the gospel of John? Like, the whole thing start to finish? Even though it's one of few gospels that is actually in keeping with the stuff written when Jesus was alive? I suppose you think the entire Nag Hamadi library is Heresy then? Thousands of documents from the pre-Roman period? Burried by Christians to get the word out to future Christians not to fall for the Roman revisionist stuff? Every single author and all of their accounts- all heresy? What makes something Heresy? If it's a lie? Or if it contradicts a particular selection of documents that powerful men edited and spread to legitimise their power during a period of genocide, slavery and oppression? If it's the later, then there's nothing to stop powerful people from doing the same thing again- throwing out the old stuff, writing up a bunch of new versions, and warning people that to contradict the latest version with the version you follow is Heresy. Jesus would be so disappointed to see the faiths that have been forged in his name.

[@joshua_wherley]

@@Wizard_of_Lightwhy?

[@Wizard_of_Light]

@@joshua_wherley because the only goal of classificating things as heresy is to to defend an idea, in this case, christianity. Christianity is an opinion. A set of ideas. It is nothing more but a book. One book amidst millions of books. The idea that this book, which is only composed of a mix of fables and historical facts, contain the absolute truth and that every other ideas, or book of ideas that is incompatible with this one is heresy, is only an attempt at controlling population to gain power. Ultimately, the Bible is a book used as a tool to maintain structural power. Heresy is a tool to enforce the same structural power.

[@alexanderhamilton6370]

GREAT analogy of the gentle father with his kids vs how he is at work as a prison guard! This is good stuff. Thank you, Brian.

[@ksanto9797]

​@@Roman-Labrador Discipline is rooted in love.

[@LaserFace23]

@stingingnettle9726 To love is to will the good of the other - To treat a criminal the way you'd treat your child would be to enable them, not love, just like treating your child like a criminal wouldn't be discipline, but cruelty. The light of God's love is warm and comforting to those living in it, but feels like a blinding fury to those who only love the dark.

[@Realone031]

Or… it’s two different gods

[@clouds-rb9xt]

@@Realone031 No. Jesus is Yahweh.

[@VNuxion]

​@@Realone031Well, it's complicated to make reason out of something fictional.

[@LaserFace23]

One bit of revelation that has been sticking with me lately is the realization that God's apparent cruelty towards the seemingly-ignorant Egyptians, Canaanites, and other such groups isn't necessarily because of favoritism of just the Israelites, or that he hates those other groups. In the grand scheme of history, God's plan was to use the nation of Israel as a way to save all other nations, including those such as the Egyptians. In light of that, it becomes a very real question of "How dare you oppose that? You're not only damning yourself, but everyone you might care about, through your lack of humility before the God trying to eventually save you." And yes, God's chosen nation for this task was the Israelites, but it's not like He showed any real favoritism - their success as a nation depended on their fidelity to Him, and when they turned elsewhere, He gave them the exact same treatment by the hands of the Babylonians that they gave to the Canaanites. Again, "how dare you stand against the plan of salvation through your lack of humility before the God who wants to save you?" Once enough chastisements, of ALL nations, occurred, I think that was the point God said "Ah, good, I think you're starting to understand how complicated things are. Maybe you even learned some more compassion along the way. Now, let me show you what I REALLY have planned..."

[@damianwhite504]

You seem to have rather good knowledge about how and why the supreme being in the universe acted

[@marvalice3455]

​@@damianwhite504 we can know much about God by reason alone. Despite what the EOC claims, this has always been the position of the church.

[@LaserFace23]

@damianwhite504 It's not like I'm claiming this is for sure what happened, it just seems to make the most sense. I don't claim this revelation for myself, and am happy to let it go if any part of it is flawed.

[@damianwhite504]

@@LaserFace23 yes. I realize that. What you wrote made sense, I probably didnt write my reply clearly enough. I am not great at putting ideas together. You seem very wise and insightful

[@st.mephisto8564]

The god of the Israelites using Israel as a means to bless all the nations seems oddly convenient considering cultural genocides and domination of one culture over another is one of the most common aspects of bronze/iron age Levant. This god of Israelites is irrelevant to other nations at best and certainly doesn't have much to do with the Neoplatonic One or the One of cause of all causes in Classical philosophy.

[@biblescenes]

Thanks for a really good video, it is something that I have long been thinking about and, like a few other topics, people tend to shy away from it. I love the analogy of the driving instructor and immediately think of Philippians 3:24-25 that says “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.” Once you’ve got the certificate you no longer need a driving instructor.

[@MastaKeahi]

This why I’m really glad I do the Bible in a year

[@sergiopablo6555]

The more depraved a people is, the more unjust they perceive God to be. Our difficulty in understanding God in the Old Testament is a consequence of the growing distance between our twisted minds and the unchanging nature of God.

[@marvalice3455]

Very much so

[@mariangabrielahernandezmur9876]

That's right

[@ryanparker4996]

I think its pretty depraved to send bears to kill children for laughing at a bald man

[@planteruines5619]

​@@ryanparker4996because mocking shall stay unpunished ?

[@ryanparker4996]

@@planteruines5619 No, because killing children is closer to the Modus Operandi of Gods enemy. The Old Testament has many examples of the actions of the enemy being attributed to God. Perhaps thats why he decided to come here in person, to remove confusion. Catch my drift?

[@alandoughty6320]

I have tried to explain this very difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament, to a non Christian but I could never do the subject justice , this video explains it very well , now I’ll just share this with non Christians who have questions, thank you Brian for this !

[@cardodalisailia1515]

It's hard to explain something if they don't want to hear your explanation, especially you both have different beliefs

[@orlindamyanov2989]

God is not Death but Life... That's why Jesus came. Yahweh is not the Father

[@Tommytoolsqueezer]

@@orlindamyanov2989Yahweh is the God of the Old Testament.. The father.

[@FrMarkGoring]

Great explanation Brian. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@lediceizcast]

I invited Christ into my life today, all day I’ve been crying in repentance and joy. I’ve never felt love this deep, caring, wise, warm, knowing he loves me and my life is meant for the better through him. I regret ever rejecting him, the day I asked for help with sincerity in my heart he answered in the way that left me no doubt. I turned my back on god letting arrogance, sin, and temptation rule over me. Despite my indifference, me leaving him. My lord never left me He advised me, guided me, protected me, and loved me the entire way back to him. It’s only now I realize how blind, dismissive, disrespectful, and ignorant I was towards him my entire life. Yet he was right there by my side. I LOVE YOU LORD! Thank you for the video; praise Jesus our savior. Amen!

[@JerrymonkIII]

The Four Foundations of Mindfulness Please research and begin the practice of meditation. For humanity to improve. We need to clear our minds. Not fill them with more fiction. Thanks

[@shaytokyo782]

@@JerrymonkIII he has found peace with God. don't take it away from him. instead seek God and he will reveal himself. meditation will make u peaceful for a fleeting moment but then you will just become more stressed; seek God

[@JerrymonkIII]

@shaytokyo782 What kind of peace with God can be found when making excuses for evil and following it anyway? That doesn't sound like a transaction with God. With whom then? That's a big reason why our world is lost and divided! It's even deeper than having a dodgy shepherd, tending the flock! This below won't bring peace or suffering with God. 16: Special Instruction Ashtavakra said: 16.1 You can recite and discuss scripture all you want, but until you drop everything you will never know Truth. 16.2 You can enjoy and work and meditate, but you will still yearn for That which is beyond all experience, and in which all desires are extinguished. 16.3 Everyone is miserable. Because they exert constant effort. But no one understands this. A ripe mind can become unshackeled upon hearing this one instruction. 17.4 Rare in this world is one who does not relish past enjoyments, nor yearn for enjoyments to come. 20.14 Where is existence or non-existence? Where is Unity or duality? Nothing emanates from me. No more can be said. ~The Ashtavakra Gita~

[@shaytokyo782]

@@JerrymonkIII I don't entirely understand what you getting at, but if you are questioning why their is evil in the world the answer is simple! We as humans have chose to defy God and as a result he respects out decision and takes a step back, giving us free will and as a result we destroy ourselves because we refuse to turn to God's outstretched hand on a daily basis. God wants us to choose him. He will not force us to love him because that would be like a dictatorship! I'll give you an analogy: Let's say you had a Girlfriend that claimed to love you very much. But one day your mother called you and said "Hey son iv been paying you Girlfriend to be with you for years" Would you still consider her a loving girlfriend or someone depraved for cash? This Is the same with God. He created us to be free and love him. Love is only love when it Is given freely! Now on to natural disaster and disease! Because God is everything good and harmonious in this world when he took a step back after we defied him. naturally, his harmonious presence is taken aswell. That is why in nature we see floods and earth quakes and in our health we see diseases and sickness. All these things were not there when the world began, they are a product of our sin that distanced us from God. I hope this answered you question. If you have any more feel free to ask.

[@andyabuteo6084]

That does not explain how God commanded the israelites to totally annhilate the people of other tribes brutally.

[@Moodyblooz]

Read the bible

[@xyzxanth7606]

They had dna mixed with from children of god fallen angles satan or whatever

[@stormbringer2738]

Old comment, I know, but the wording is hyperbolic in nature. Specifically, when dealing with the Cannanites, God orders the Israelites to wipe them out, but in the next verse says do not take their daughters as wives. Can't take their daughters as wives if you wipe them out literally.

[@mmabagain]

I have struggled with this for years. Even my mom struggled with it, which is probably why I do. One particular verse is the one in 2nd Samuel 6: verses 6 and 7 where Uzzah was simply trying to keep the Ark of the Covenant from falling over and God strikes him dead in anger. Makes no sense to me.

[@brittanybasora3115]

Thank you for making this video ! I found this explanation very helpful in my understanding of the differences in how God is described in the Old vs New Testament. 🙏🏼

[@peterbrennan1085]

My son said the same thing when he was in coast guard boot camp. The drill instructors where hard on them throughout. The last week they had them to their home for a cookout. Quite a transition

[@angelcarmona4540]

You actually need to read both books yourself, rather than finding a christian to give you his explanation. Have you ever asked yourself... Why was the New Testament written, if god is never changing?

[@gerddonni2017]

"Novum in vetere latet, vetus in novo patet". St. Augustine and Brian seem to be in ligne, which is quite a good sign. 👍

[@tonicross6409]

New Testament God: Firm, Patient, Understanding. Old Testament God: Fuck around and find out.

[@comicsunblock]

almost like they aren’t the same God lmfaoooo

[@nachoblack]

😂😂😂

[@ryanparker4996]

​@@comicsunblock they literally aren't, the "God" of the OT is clearly Satan

[@tracyreid8682]

This is what i was looking for . But so we live under the New testament rules as today right ?

[@tonicross6409]

@@tracyreid8682 Pretty sure it's just this now: "Stop acting like you know the way ahead, like you know the rules. There are no rules, man, we're lost." - Rick Grimes.

[@wookiewoo1]

I am wrestling with the apparent conundrum of God as the disciplinarian in the Old Testament with the God of mercy triumphing over judgement in the New, partly because a friend has written a Dawkins-like diatribe against God and all that the Bible says about him.. Your perspective is helping me to develop a reasonable response, although I think unless one cannot really accept that God is God and His perspective is so much bigger and wiser than ours (as in Job). But I would appreciate readers' prayers that my response touches his heart even though his mind is so adamant there is no God.

[@seeninthedark]

hey friend, with all these different human made ideas it can become confusing. People may seem wise in their words, but the value of Proverbs 3:5-6 always comes to mind for me. Through God electing Israel as His people, their earthly lineage led to Jesus being able to be born both from God and man. Although I don't know why God was so very strict on all nations that turned from Him, it is proof that there is a value for morality, and that those lies told from others and their gods are important to oppose as they lead to death. As humans we function in time, whilst God is eternal. So therefore harsh and tough things happened as he tried to live amongst a people, aiming for that end goal to bring these beings he has created in his image that function under time to an eternal peace through Jesus.

[@bradberkely7448]

It would be useful to note the difference between jealousy and envy. In this case I'm talking about the definition of jealousy: "fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions.". It is in loving us, His creation, that he is jealous of us and why the first commandment is what it is. He doesn't want to see us fall and He wants us to remain faithfully His for our own good as well. Envy is strictly desiring something that isn't yours. To say this makes Him petty is to show complete misunderstanding of what the verse is even saying.

[@iteadjoseph2234]

Another point to make is that there was no mediatrix to appease God. Hence, there is a difference between the Old Testament God and the New Testament God. The Blessed Mother's fiat changed everything. Remember, the Mother of God is also called "Mother of Mercy."

[@hybreeztrapper_ml8sb]

Yahweh is a physical god like those of egyptians while Jesus said is father Is of spirit no one has seen him at any time. Yahweh is not the father Jesus Christ was talking about. If you're going to say Yahweh is God then you're Left with a mountain of contradictions because Yahweh and Jesus Christ are totally polar opposites. Exodus 15:3 "The lord is a man of war: Yahweh is his name." So god here is a man and fights other nations with their gods to prove his power what kind of power and threat do those other gods pose to Yahweh. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old called the devil and Satan who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto earth and his angels were cast out with him. "Who deceiveth the whole world " The Elohim of the old testament in Deuteronomy 32:8 When they divided the nations amongst themselves. 1 kings 22:23 "Now therefore behold the lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee." Yahweh is a liar He has been deceiving the Israelites in the old testament. 2corinthians 3:14... But their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the Same Vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament which Vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day when Moses is read the Vail is upon their heart. So the Vail is lifted with new Gospel of truth by Jesus Christ but the Vail still remains because of the reading of Moses Torah why because the bible clearly tells you that Moses was deceived by Yahweh/Satan Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darkness for light and light for darkness that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ." The deceived Christians and Jews see Yahweh as God and evil he did in the OT as good or justifiable by making apologetics excuses For what evil he did like killing women and children without realizing they're actually defending a tyrant god Hosea 13:7-8 Yahweh/Jehovah says... "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion:as a leopard by the way I observe them. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps and will rend the caul of their heart and there will I devour them like a Lion: the wild beast shall tear them." Let's interpret this with Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which i Saw was like unto a leopard and his feet were as the feet of a bear (to Tear nations) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (to devour nations ) the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority." So whose the dragon we go back to Deuteronomy 32:8 Dead Sea Scrolls: “When Elyon gave the nations as an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God (bene elohim). For Yahweh’s portion was his people; Jacob was the lot of his inheritance”. So Yahweh was given authority and power over Israel by Elyon. So Elyon Is the dragon while Yahweh is a lesser god. Peter 5:8 "Be sober. Be vigilant. For your enemy the Devil is like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour." Be careful with Yahweh because he devours. 2samuel 24:1 The LORD's(Yahweh) anger against Israel flared again,a and he incited David against them: “Go, take a census of Israel and Judah.” 1 chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count Israel. So here it's clear that Yahweh is the devil and he really incited David. But theologians will try to say that the lord allowed the devil to incite David when the Bible clearly shows you who did it. John 1:17 For the laws was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 8:19 Where is your father?” they asked. Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, you would also know my Father.” John 8:44 " You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies". Jesus is telling the pharisees the god Yahweh they worship is a liar and has deceived them since Genesis.

[@wyatt13131]

Some have thought very deeply about this. Nietzsche, in particular, was actually MORE critical of the New Testament God. In many ways the Old Testament God is realer, less forgiving and more akin to the universe itself. Many atheists and cultured thinkers use The Book of Job, for example, as a moral touchstone of enduring hard times. As an aside, I am an agnostic losing his agnosticism and exploring Catholicism. Thanks for your channel.

[@donaldbush1182]

Don’t do it! Explore Stoicism first, the pre-Christian intellectual thought of Rome. Imagine where the world would be if Stoicism and not Christianity had been taught to the masses. Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations

[@hybreeztrapper_ml8sb]

Yahweh is a physical god like those of egyptians while Jesus said is father Is of spirit no one has seen him at any time. Yahweh is not the father Jesus Christ was talking about. If you're going to say Yahweh is God then you're Left with a mountain of contradictions because Yahweh and Jesus Christ are totally polar opposites. Exodus 15:3 "The lord is a man of war: Yahweh is his name." So god here is a man and fights other nations with their gods to prove his power what kind of power and threat do those other gods pose to Yahweh. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old called the devil and Satan who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto earth and his angels were cast out with him. "Who deceiveth the whole world " The Elohim of the old testament in Deuteronomy 32:8 When they divided the nations amongst themselves. 1 kings 22:23 "Now therefore behold the lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee." Yahweh is a liar He has been deceiving the Israelites in the old testament. 2corinthians 3:14... But their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the Same Vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament which Vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day when Moses is read the Vail is upon their heart. So the Vail is lifted with new Gospel of truth by Jesus Christ but the Vail still remains because of the reading of Moses Torah why because the bible clearly tells you that Moses was deceived by Yahweh/Satan Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darkness for light and light for darkness that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ." The deceived Christians and Jews see Yahweh as God and evil he did in the OT as good or justifiable by making apologetics excuses For what evil he did like killing women and children without realizing they're actually defending a tyrant god Hosea 13:7-8 Yahweh/Jehovah says... "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion:as a leopard by the way I observe them. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps and will rend the caul of their heart and there will I devour them like a Lion: the wild beast shall tear them." Let's interpret this with Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which i Saw was like unto a leopard and his feet were as the feet of a bear (to Tear nations) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (to devour nations ) the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority." So whose the dragon we go back to Deuteronomy 32:8 Dead Sea Scrolls: “When Elyon gave the nations as an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God (bene elohim). For Yahweh’s portion was his people; Jacob was the lot of his inheritance”. So Yahweh was given authority and power over Israel by Elyon. So Elyon Is the dragon while Yahweh is a lesser god. Peter 5:8 "Be sober. Be vigilant. For your enemy the Devil is like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour." Be careful with Yahweh because he devours. 2samuel 24:1 The LORD's(Yahweh) anger against Israel flared again,a and he incited David against them: “Go, take a census of Israel and Judah.” 1 chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count Israel. So here it's clear that Yahweh is the devil and he really incited David. But theologians will try to say that the lord allowed the devil to incite David when the Bible clearly shows you who did it. John 1:17 For the laws was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 8:19 Where is your father?” they asked. Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, you would also know my Father.” John 8:44 " You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies". Jesus is telling the pharisees the god Yahweh they worship is a liar and has deceived them since Genesis.

[@Scaled.Stories1]

⁠@@hybreeztrapper_ml8sbNo The Word Man of War just means he is a warrior not that he is literally a Man and I assume u have basic english skills?

[@MileHighJay]

@@donaldbush1182if you understood stoicism quite well, you’d understand Jesus was literally stoic almost entirely and a lot of the meditations of Epictetus align much of what Jesus taught.

[@marvinlang3777]

There was no better stoic than jesus. How can u say nooo dont do it!! Dont study this. Bruh

[@AudioEpics]

I'm just amazed that you managed to insert footage from Billy Madison into a serious discussion on the Old Testament and it actually made sense in the context. Excellent points as well, of course. As usual. I can't remember ever seeing a single video from you I didn't like.

[@Outrider74]

I liked how you used South Park’s caricature of Richard Dawkins first.

[@LifeWithFlowers]

Thank you for addressing this subject.

[@MikePasqqsaPekiM]

I think a great resource on this topic is Dr. Scott Hahn’s audiobook, titled a father who keeps his promises. Highly recommend listening, the book format isn’t quite as intuitive as the audiobook.

[@MargaretNolan-c1t]

If you listen to Hahn, you are listening to a self-serving charismatic heretic. I can assume that Hahn's books are pitched to a sixth grade comprehension level as his talks clearly are. Hahn has made a profitable cult of personality with puerile books, speaking tours, etc. His entire family is involved. Hahn referred to himself as "a glad Trad Pentacostal Catholic", a contradiction in terms to any rational person who has LEARNED their faith. Why would listen to an obvious huckster when you could simply read a Baltimore or Trent catechism, the early Church fathers and Doctors? Have you ever heard of primary sources? "There are many so-called apologists and theologians online using the crisis in the Church to make money." Fr. Isaac Mary Relyea

[@throughhumaneyes7648]

I don't ultimately agree but I will admit this was a much better answer than I've heard many on all the sides give. Great stab at it brother.

[@nikolaosaggelopoulos8113]

"In times past humankind was even less developed and not capable of grasping the meaning of that which is the most perfect. To remedy the weakness of his audience, the Holy Spirit caused the prophet to speak in the language that has been recorded in the Scriptures". St John Chrysostom, Third Homily on Genesis

[@Republican_Banana]

People forget that God killed Ananias ane Saphira, and herod in the new testament. Jesus told a parable where the people reject him and he says " bring them here and slay them before me". God is the same in both testaments. If you still have doubt, read revelation.

[@ahmadadilovich]

So the explanation of the incoherence of God between the Old and New Testament is that a Person sometimes behaves differently?

[@ithadtobesaid23]

Um...genocide. murder. Jealousy. ..is not compatible with Jesus father

[@sapphireluna4818]

Thanks for this! TBH, I am not a Catholic. But I still really appreciate your deep exploration into the Bible and God’s word. After all, we are all children of God and saved through Jesus Christ, regardless of denomination.❤️ This is a very interesting and thought-provoking take. When I was a small child, my parents were much more cautionary with me for obvious reasons, putting up strict rules and boundaries (like child-safety gates and knobs on things) to protect me and to teach me what’s safe, not safe, good and bad. I’ve come to realize my parents are actually very chill people with a great sense of humor and also bewildered and in awe of the mysteries and tribulations of life. I used to believe they were strict disciplinarians that didn’t believe in fun, but that’s far from the truth. They were acting according to what they believed I needed as a child, which was strict ideas of right and wrong, both morally and practically, so I wouldn’t hurt myself or turn into a bad person. Nowadays, they like conversing about philosophy and they love life and enjoying it and are just as puzzled as I am about the peculiarities of life and society. As I grew up, they could let off their guard, as I no longer needed such strict boundaries and concrete rules, but I now respect and understand why they acted the way they used to. They were just doing their job appropriate to where I was in my own early life stage. I believe God acts the same with us, as our heavenly father. God bless! ❤️ 🎁 🕊️ ✨ ✝️

[@detective2221]

Catholicism is a twisted Christianity.

[@blazingocean4206]

God made them that way in the first place. Free will is BS.

[@enlightenmenttyrant6662]

Brian's argument misses the mark because he misunderstands the criticism. Skeptics aren't accusing the God of the OT of being simply harsher than Jesus. Rather, they accuse him of acting unjustly per se; such as in the slaughter of children, sex slavery, or the ordeal of bitter water. Perhaps Brian could remake the video, addressing the actual criticism.

[@Ann-sj4pt]

He won’t because there is no reason for OTs cruelty.the comments are more interesting than this rubbish video.

[@spencermarkham1]

I hope I won’t seem blasphemous or heretical using this comparison but I always believed that because the Old Testament times was like the Wild West therefore God had to be the lawman, a Wyatt Earp or Wild Bill Hickock figure to tame the ancient world! By the time Jesus came, human civilization was settled therefore God didn’t need to be the Wild Bill Hickock figure anymore!

[@AzureSymbiote]

That makes sense to me.

[@marvalice3455]

That's not a terrible analogy, though it's less a matter of being more "civilized" (the Carthaginians Rome fought were a remnant of the Canaanites Israel and the Phoenicians drive out of the lavant. Literally the same people, just in a different place) and more about people being in a better theological and philosophical position to understand. It is *not* a coincidence Christ came when he did. The gentiles had been made ready for him just as much as the Jews had

[@hglundahl]

7:57 The driving lessons analogy is much better. And the point is correct, taking on OT law is like asking your old driving teacher to be a backseat driver, even after you learned. Back seat drivers tend to make driving less safe. This also applies to the kind of people who are back seat drivers for my apologetics, and who prefer some of your erroneous points. They have made _my_ moral conduct, if not reprehensible (to human observers who don't see my heart), at least far less safe than it used to be.

[@khatack]

God is not a teddy bear. If you don't see the Old Testament God in what Jesus reveals then you're not really reading the New Testament, you're just making stuff up on your own.

[@pabs5270]

I struggle with the OT vs NT. Always have. Humanity has always been sinful. Still is. This explaination is a good one, but then then the argument is that man is better than they used to be? That's not what Romans says.

[@simonline1194]

If you think in terms of OT versus NT then you have a completely warped understanding of the Bible. The Bible (all 66 books from Genesis to Revelation (2Tim.3:16; Heb.4:12-13)) is a unified whole. The issue is, we don’t start from the beginning and work forward. Instead we start in the gospels and work outwards and wonder why it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. This is why so many Christians are actually biblically illiterate and so easily lead up the garden path. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱

[@kartofff]

Though I'm a catholic, one book that helped me reconcile with the Old Testament was Paul Copan's "Is god a moral monster ?"

[@ricardoheredia7307]

EXCELLENT!!!!!!! THANKS BRIAN

[@memesouls8653]

Well to be fair, God in the Old Testament had to deal with the worst of sinners. So much sin to the point he had to wipe the world clean. Of course he was more harsh to them. We also have to consider that the Old Testament takes place over thousands of years while the New Testament only takes place over a short period of time. Both iterations of God are necessary for our view of salvation. We see both sides to God (not two different gods like many claim). We see his firm and wrathful side but we also see his everlasting love and grace. God doesn’t change but we certainly do.

[@jula5417]

Thank you so much for this video🤗🤗🤗 Blessing from Poland 💙💙💙

[@robinmarie8213]

Your prison guard analogy just sealed the deal for me that the God of the old testament is not our Heavenly Father. A Loving father would never be so cruel to His children as to lead them into genecide and brutality against His other Children. Thank you for this video.

[@insideinside9450]

What an unbiblical and blasphemous statement. The God all powerful, the God who worked Bible prophecy through Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel. The God who showed mercy to Israel, to the children of Israel, to David etc. The God whom Malachi said is lord and does not change. God is God and is one god and is a god of war, wrath vengeance and he will ultimately destroy those whom he had created. (Revelation 19:10-16, Revelation 6: 9-10, Revelation 20: 1-15, Romans 12:19)

[@robinmarie8213]

@@insideinside9450I've had a change of heart anyway. Thank you. Maybe others will learn from this conversation.

[@insideinside9450]

@@robinmarie8213 that's good

[@lucycat4305]

@@robinmarie8213 You were right the first time. They are NOT the same.

[@gontse1386]

​@@lucycat4305how come?

[@xenophon5354]

The issue I have with the father-prison guard analogy is that the context of the OT has people being wiped from the earth on God’s command. That’s not disciplining the inmate, that’s genocide. To which one might reply that the sun of the Canaanites et al was so severe this was the only recourse. But was it really different from those living in the time of Christ? The Romans were arguably far worse and far more degenerate, but are spared God’s wrath to instead be converted. The anthropological argument just seems far stronger, that Yahweh was the God of a hard people living in a hard time, and so they have a hard God. Christ arrives much later, at the height of Roman affluence. The God of Christ speaks more to the downtrodden lower classes of Roman than it does to desert herders and warriors. This development continues with the God of the Middle Ages, the God of Charlemagne and King Arthur being a God of glory and victory.

[@masterm5071]

Great explanation and very helpful for me and others who are early in learning this faith

[@nategraham6946]

But that doesn't change one question. Were God's standards and laws in the old testament meant to only be temporary, or were they never really his standards to begin with?

[@regandonohue3899]

I think that perhaps both stances presented aren't getting at what Brian is saying. Taking from his "lesson" analogy, the difference between a first year and final year uni student is that they learn is on the same subject, but one is significantly more advanced. Would you call the final year student's first year lessons "temporal"? Perhaps, but it's inaccurate. You couldn't say they weren't the desired standard either, because first year lessons are the foundation for final year subjects.

[@nategraham6946]

@@regandonohue3899 The difference is between progression and replacement. Progression builds and enhances, but the foundations are still as important and applicable. Yet what happened is more of a replacement, where the old no longer applies, and the few parts that do are usually twisted beyond recognition.

[@olhickory9815]

@@nategraham6946 and Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17 "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." Malachi 3:6

[@nategraham6946]

@@olhickory9815 So is the OT law is still applicable or not? If God doesn't change, the answer should be yes.

[@mosesking2923]

@@nategraham6946 Origen, Augustine, and Aquinas divided the Old Law into three sections: the moral law (good vs evil), the ceremonial law (purity and temple laws) and the judicial law (related to National Israel). The moral laws remain in place for Christians since each of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament by Christ Himself and the various epistles. The ceremonial laws have passed away in Christ, the ordinances have been nailed to the cross. Lastly, the judicial laws applies only to Israel and not to any other nation. They ended when Israel was destroyed in 70 AD. The ceremonial law and judicial law weren’t arbitrarily thrown away. They served their purpose within certain covenants and came to an end. Like training wheels being thrown away once a child learns how to ride the bike.

[@BjornTuroc2112]

This is the best explanation I’ve ever heard about reconciling God of the Old Testament with God of the New Testament.

[@exaucemayunga22]

I still struggle to understand Jesus's saying "I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it"

[@Ann-sj4pt]

Moses?

[@cutemanedee]

So cool that Jesus is a KZbinr!

[@jdude9002]

He's doing mental gymnastics to justify contradictions

[@benedictbotchey1654]

Right like the cognitive dissonance is astounding

[@badalybumdadum]

@@benedictbotchey1654ya'll just really can't handle the truth LOL

[@Ann-sj4pt]

@@badalybumdadumit’s 🧢

[@badalybumdadum]

@@Ann-sj4pt what makes you think that way?

[@badalybumdadum]

@@benedictbotchey1654 Dang rereading my comment makes me cringe. My bad for sounding so condescending.

[@ElyjahDHerring]

The old testament was full of sin

[@burkardhanis]

fits with Fr Mike's Bible in a Year teaching on the differences

[@andylopez9471]

I am MUSLIM but was born Catholic. The Quran made my body feel like it was flying and 4 years after God purified my entire body , my body walked itself to the library then it my body walked itself to my local Mosque ... I told the muslims what was going on and for 7 days they did tests on me . They came to the conclusion that was body was purified and they put me infront of a microphone infront of a crowed of Muslims and they asked me a question ... where did you first read the Quran and who brought you here , I said while I was incarcerated and then I Said The Truth.... everyone gave me a hug after that ..... i will never in my entire forget the Month of March 2024 ... The Month of Ramadan ..... please read the Quran if you Love God ❤️

[@DIGGWHATIMSAYING]

I came across the legends of Baal (Baal meaning lord) and noticed that the similarities between Baal and Yahweh were striking.. Firstly the father/creator god of the canaanites was called El. Both Yahweh and Baal fought and defeated the same exact monsters the dragon ltn and the sea YamBa’al. Both are also named the “Rider of the Clouds and are both described as having control over the clouds, winds, rains, and thunder: Baal is worshiped as a bull, and Yahweh is often referred to as a bull in the the old testament, and in different psalms. The Israelites made calf idols like 5 different times in the torah, king solomon had a group of bull statues outside his temple. Ezekiel 1:7 Their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot; and they sparkled like burnished brass. Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like a firstborn bull, And his horns like the horns of the wild ox;Together with them. Baal even dies in his fight with death and is ressurected. There is a story of a flood caused by the gods in the story of Tammuz and enki. In the story only one good man called Atrahasis survives, because Enki instructed him to build an ark. Tammuz was called the god of shepherds several thousands of years before christ, his father called "Enki" was the creator of earth and humans. Enki was also god of the cleansing water ritual, and his son tammuz (the god of sheperds) died and rose again to save his wife. God orders tthe elimination of all canaanites in the torah, but in the new testament jesus says love your enemies, he even says we should pray for them and completely forbids killing, leviticus 23;30 I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. 31 You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come" Jesus breaks the sabbath, paul removes the necessity of cricumsition, Jesus forbids divorce unless sexual immorality has been committed, Moses said "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house."

[@amyV10844]

Baal and Yahweh are the same . There are great videos on the Esoterica channel (the man who runs the channel is Jewish and explains this. )

[@petergreen8477]

One of the most useful exegetical principles I have come across derives (I think) from Origen: as it says in the Book of the Apocalypse, only the Lamb that was slain is worthy to open the scroll with its seven seals. In other words, there can be for Christians only one exegete of the Old Testament namely Christ. This utterly passive, self-sacrificing incarnation of God is the one who speaks through every verse of the Old Testament - the one who turns the other cheek, who does not retaliate, who forgives his torturers is not exactly inciting his followers to commit genocide. So what are those blood-soaked passages in the Old Testament all about? They must be read spiritually: the conflict in every human heart between good and evil. There are aspects of our lives which cannot only be partially repented of - the child abuser cannot “improve” by merely reducing the number of children he victimises, he must stop completely. In other words, he must wholly eradicate the evil practice from his life (and turn himself in to the police) - that’s the kind of “genocide” that being one of the people of God involves. Christ abolishes ethnicity - so racism isn’t an option for those who call themselves Christians. The ancient Christian way of reading the Old Testament was to read it typologically - Christ is the new Abraham, the new Abel, the new Noah, the new Abraham, the new Isaac, the new Israel, etc.

[@petergreen8477]

Another key Catholic approach to the Old Testament is to see it as ‘the Divine Pedagogy” - the gradual unfolding of the divine revelation to humans at the level they can understand it.

[@jazz322alllwaysswing]

the thing that confuses me is that it's said that the god of the old testament is Yahweh god of the storm but in the bible its clearly said that its the father god of all. Can anyone help out understanding this ? When i do research on it it says Yahweh is god of the jews and a warrior storm god but this does not sound like Jesus at all. Can anyone help guide me ?

[@kompo1012]

You're reading an English translation of a 3000 year old or so book. Language changes over time so trying to get the original meaning from words which might mean different things over time is very difficult. For sake of stability people might just say "it means this, case closed." for a translation they agree with or think that it says. And so you need to have faith in these translators and have faith in the books they translated.

[@bogdanalindaragiu1314]

Jehova brings the flood on humanity, that's His level of compassion. Jehova reincarnated into human form as Jesus sacrifices Himself to take upon Himself the sins of His creation, that's His level of compassion now. To be mentioned that Jehova was not omnipresent and omnipotent and as Jesus He is! Our creator is now all loving and all compassionate.

[@CatholicChristian51]

The clay does not question the potter

[@desimarf1131]

🤨

[@dspencer1969]

God... When I stumble and cry out for forgiveness,mercy, and help - he is there, when I need a boot across my backside he is there. My problem is the question of how do I be a friend to Jesus when I bring nothing to the table? He spends all of our time forgiving me and guiding me through one screw up after another.

[@Misha-cs3vm]

We all know the miracles God performed in front of the Israelites during the Exodus. They all saw and witnessed it FIRST-HAND. But when Moses went up to Mount Sinai and disappeared for a while, the same people made a golden calf and started worshiping it instead... People were different back then, even the ones selected to be in a covenant with God. Re Canaanites, this is what is written about them in the Book of Leviticus: “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways (i.e., by making child sacrifice to Molech, engaging in abominable sexual relations (including incest and bestiality), etc.), because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants." So they were pretty corrupt and perverted people, like the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, who were annihilated by God himself.

[@whatarefriends4]

Haha! I didn’t expect to hear the word sphincter at all😂😂😂

[@AOkie68]

Yeshua never called his father Yaweh...interesting 😮

[@BrianHoldsworth]

Yaweh is the name given by God when Moses asked him what his name was which translates to "I Am". Jesus used this phrase in reference to himself several times in the NT (Mark 14:62, Luke 22:70, John 4:26, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 13:19, John 18:5, and many more). So Jesus was not somehow unconnected to that theological tradition. He very deliberately identified himself as the fulfillment of it.

[@loveandmercy9664]

I have found doing a deep dive into Judaism and NEC clarifies a lot of the Hebrew Bible that is misunderstood. The language of the ancient Near East was polemical and hyberbolic. Bishop Barron's series on Genesis is really good.

[@marvalice3455]

I always use hyperbole whenever I talk.

[@Skepticallady]

You mentioned "humanity which he had been forming has changed through that formation and he therefore could act differently with us". I have a question, following the same reasoning, we can say humanity has changed in the last 2000 years, meaning nowdays we don't permit or legalize terrible acts as 2000 years ago, example: slavery, men marrying several women, crucifixions, cutting limbs, killing homosexuals or not allowing women to go to schools, vote etc. But then if nowdays the context has changed could we say "God can act differently with us now because the context has changed and therefore gays could get married now" for example, wouldn't this follow the same reasoning?

[@rubemartur8239]

Lets say that, God still the same, but Jesus said He is mercyfull. God will act against Sin that still being done by humanity: earthquakes, tsunamis, permition of human's experiment of biological weapon being expread, permition of Wars occuring... as people are lacking faith, they doesnt even ask protection, doesnt even give Hum proper reference. He gives Mercy(Jesus) in which one can come back to Him, by the price His Son payed in Cross (His Justice asked for the suffering of His own Son, Thats the same "cruelty" from old testment). Then way Innocent must die with bad people? Who knows, rather having Good dying to take them, before they get corrupted forever by human's schemes. God didnt changed. Jesus was and is a lightning Rod for God's Ire of Justice. But when, in some períods of time, people's SIN are done more then the rememberance of Christ sacrifice in the Cross, then His Justice is brought to the earth. Imagine 1 day, entirely, that humanity doesnt do remember His sacrifice, as Jesus asked to the apostles? (DO THIS IN MY MEMORY) Without this lightning Rod effect, humanity rather receive punishments that would make the 7 plagues of egypt "superficial and less painful"

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Or, possibly, you are out, to breakfast, lunch, and tea, somewhat. And I certainly hope... that... thug... has changed, since 2 Samuel 24? And Leviticus 25:46, also? As much loose ends, detritus, and shear... cr*p was... left over from that verse, for a long, long, time... When ire of justice was fairly muted, during things, like slave trades (plus, an Inquisition...) In Christendom. And define 'evil mankind' too please? ('afflicted to the evil mankind', as you once wrote) Furthermore, was Eve DESIGNED, to sin? And were one third of all, angels, with, no 'glass darkly', no 'inherited sin nature', and no 'spiritual death' afflicting them... BEFORE, they one curious day, chose to rebel, in heaven (a realm, maybe pervaded by Spirit, Presence, and Knowledge...) also, designed, to sin, err, or otherwise 'miss the mark', too? As that also, is now, rather confusing. As is, if many people, are also 'pre-drawn and predestinated' (ala Romans 8:30) to be saved, or not? Given that all angels could choose individually, fully knowing which and how many gods had existed, and yet still thinking Satan could ever, possibly, remotely... win. It does seem then odd, that much of humanity's choice, was (allegorically) or not... made FOR them, at Eden? By... possible representatives. If you see what I mean. But it makes it harder to define, if humanity then, is 'evil humanity' as a result. As we did - not all... d*mn well... choose, then: Did we.@@rubemartur8239

[@JesusOurGoel]

The OT God is the same as the NT God in case anybody doesn’t get that truth.

[@halfaron]

I was just thinking about this topic recently. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter.

[@liepa7768]

You forgot to mention that all seeing all knowing God created everything and he knew exactly how things will turn lit but he still got mad. Besides, nobodycalls him jealous but God himself. Jealous to who, btw? :) the beginning of the video was reasonable and promissing but you still provided no answers. It God is love only, he wouldn't dash babies into the walls and wouldn't punish Saul for not slaughtering the whole nation. So eother God isn't such loving and is like us, angry and envy, but loving too, or it's a different God.

[@RenaUnicorn]

Yep I agree I've been reading secret book of john and that kind of shook me and explained why. Read and see urself

[@chris002able]

Stick around till the end where he really lays it down ❤

[@wolfgang1474]

This is an insanely weak defense, God was consistently Radioactive from the time of Adam to Noah. If god was only terrible to evil peoples this would make sense, but he's terrible all the way through to almost everyone.

[@nawfalourimech8974]

Very interesting analogies but I'm still wondering something. In deuteronomy 20 10, God allows Moses to kill the males and to take female sex slaves from the castles and tribes that refused to become his slaves. What was their guilt ? The God of the New Testament did not die for them ? I'm sorry, I struggle to see the wisdom in it.

[@Provocative-K]

Stop lying

[@amyV10844]

Exactly. Pure evil

[@muscleprotein]

I believe in universal salvation because anything other than the eventual salvation of everyone isn’t a God I want to follow.

[@BrianHoldsworth]

If you only worship what you want to worship, then you'll only ever worship yourself.

[@Ann-sj4pt]

@@BrianHoldsworthThat is nonsense.Stay delusional.

[@hannahkirchner1656]

Old testament God in my view is not a lesser God. And Jesus often isn't that nice. First I don't take the Bible literally. I try to understand it in context of intent and writing style. I would say little of this actually happened, but that doesn't mean it's not true or wise or beautiful. Indeed, it is all those things. I think God helps explain the moral and ethical formation of a people who largely were carved out of slavery and oppression. God's rules were of that time. God is trying to give the people the discipline and structure to develop themselves and truly be free. It seems to me that the Bible is largely about man overcoming himself in order to set himself free. I wrote this before watching the video. Your explanation is spot on.

[@heritagefirst]

The God of the Old Testament asked for human and animal sacrifice? How does that teach less evolved pre Jesus humans a tough lesson?

[@joeygambers4489]

I shall be watching and learning sir. Nice to meet you.

[@johnathannoble409]

This guy didn't even mention the attributes that God is supposed to have from beginning to end omnipotent omniscient an omnipresent

[@Zandman26]

When it comes to explaining the cruelty of God, going with tales and legend is probably the only good awnser. The father with an authoritarian job is not a very strong defense. You forget in this case that God is all powerful and all knowing, so the people he is authoritarian against is people he created that way. So he set up a "play" where he could show how evil he can be, and that's why this is a bad defence. If the plesant father could soften or harden the inmates hearts at will, he would not have to be authoritarian against them.

[@GhostFace-ss5is]

But he would if God wanted us to have free will other wise we would be like Lucifer we might not know what gift god has given us. You can’t spoil your kids god cant spoil us he has to show us why we need him and Jesus is the way. Jesus died for our sins so that god wouldn’t have to throw his wraith at humanity again instead all we had to was turn to Jesus and truly ask for forgiveness and follow through with Jesus’s teachings.

[@Zandman26]

@@GhostFace-ss5is Great you brought up two other things that I think are full defeaters of the Abrahamic God concept. The God is described as all knowing (omniscient) like I said in my post. This makes free will a moot point as God already knows before you were born what actions you will do through your entire life. By other words you have no choices, you will live exactly as God's all knowing already determined, or his not all knowing. Next up we have the non sacrifice of specifically the Christian theology. According to this God takes human form to sacrifice himself to himself to somehow atone for the creatures he himself created knowing they would sin against him. This makes no logical sense either.

[@GhostFace-ss5is]

@@Zandman26 At the beginning it was god and heaven and Lucifer let his pride get to him and humanity so humanity became sinful. Lucifer offers a false freedom from God not from death or anything as Lucifer holds no power it was given to man by Jesus to hold dominant over demons and sin. So in the beginning the angels were sleeping with women and women were giving birth to the giants etc. So i believe they were living in sin at that time period which God gave them sufficient time to get on Noah’s ark. In this time period they were idolized false gods such as Lucifer and other fallen angels. Pagan gods are believed to be demons and so God flooded the world to cleanse sin and the only way to heaven in that time period was through death of the body. But we have to remember The father God sees us as his children and death to him is not same as us he simply moving energy from one plane to another plane basically. Thats what he did in testament one and God let us known that he would send his Son but nobody expected his Son to be incredibly loving to everyone we assumed he would be a righteous warrior who come to kill all evil or something. Instead he showed how powerful words and love could be he denies the harming or shaming of others he doesn’t want us to judge nor take upon ourselves to assume what God wants. For example racism, sexism and other issues of that sort shouldn’t be a thought in a good Christian because we are all children of God and the beginning everything was pure and the end everything will be pure as God intended but we must choose God through Christ. The reason Christ died was so we can sin and still go to Heaven and we no longer have to follow the 10 commandments as those are another time with a different people who faced different issues. Jesus came here to warn us of Government and believed the truth we seek is in testament 2 but we need to read the beginning to understand the end and we are taught to no longer believe the beginning to important when it is.

[@GhostFace-ss5is]

@@Zandman26 As far as i understand i’ve only read and watched some of the bible. To clarify i only believe in Jesus and Father and holy spirit.

[@Zandman26]

@@GhostFace-ss5is Ah yet another part of the Christian lore that makes no sense. The initial Abrahamic God (the one Jews believe in) is a single entity making the theology a monotheistic one. However for some reason when the new testament was written it was hints that the holy spirit was God and also that the God's son was also God. If you think about this a bit you realize that we now talk about three entities, but Christianity is supposed to be mono theistic (a single God). This lead early church fathers to come up with the trinity as a solution to make this a mono theistic religion. The problem is that three entities being one and the same breaks the law of identity (a part of logical reasoning). So yet another thing that makes this God very unplausable, even less so than the Jewish one.

[@forestandtreespod]

To be fair God is pretty bloodthirsty in the New Testament too! See Hebrews 9!

[@liquidmocofilmsllc4915]

Huge flop. Intellectually dishonest. All the signs are there and all things being equal the most simple explanation is true, they are not from the same God. Your statement that people have changed not God is dishonest. The God of the OT states he is unchanging. If so, his nature is opposite of Yehushua. Despite the OT God stating he is unchanged, you use a very man made interpretation of how a man is different as a prison guard and a father. That’s not the definition of unchanged if you should be honest. Also, as a father, I know my actions are a direct reflection and absorption by my kids. I can’t tell them thou shalt not murder and then give them the order to go commit genocide. They learn more by actions and experiences before words. If you want to be honest, and believe that both OT God and NT God are unchanging then ask yourself, would Yehushua give the order to murder an entire population? The man endured torture to his death unknown to any human and continued to forgive and pray for his enemies. You cannot use foundational learning analogies when it comes to life. Life is precious not a driving test. And again, I’ll repeat that OT God’s foundation is murder. Yehushua told them their father was a murderer from the beginning. The OT has always lived by the sword.

[@daenerystargaryen1440]

This is a very important aspect, as the Old Testament is over 70% of the Bible.

[@TerrellTimesTen]

Bro the New Testament has some sicko tales as well. Idk why people don’t point those out.

[@donew1thita11]

Like

[@johnathannoble409]

Humanity changed, so He had to change,😅, thats a new one, now I heard em all.

[@jpdebartolo]

I would suggest consideration that Jesus never felt the need to defend the actions of His Father as described in the ‘old testament’. I believe that any conflict imagined between the ‘two’ testaments are completely artificial. Conflicts in this line remind me of the words of satan in the garden of Eden when he introduced doubt to mankind. Those who can’t recognize how much God shows His love to us in the ‘Old’ Testament are blind. The Bible is a story of mankind’s response to God great love. Doubt at any level is a rejection of God’s love. Question conceived in doubt (consider Zachariah) are an affront to God. Questions to gain information (consider Mary) demonstrate a willingness to be obedient to God‘s will. There is no conflict in God as presented anywhere in the Bible.

[@marvalice3455]

Oh it's absolutely artificial. But Christ sets an example for us. When a child of the devil seeks to make us doubt, children of Christ should, as best we can, respond with confidence

[@jpdebartolo]

@@marvalice3455 I think we agree, but I will never respond to the devil. I will only respond to God talking to the devil is worthless.

[@stevendelgado5654]

Theirs only one way to find out ..living,learning, and adapting

[@lGalaxisl]

Mistranslation and lack of context are two big problems when it comes to this. Two examples: Elisha and the she-bear. Atheist love to take that story because they think it's just about some group of kids taunting "God's prophet" and God disproportionally lashing out and killing 50 of them. With proper translation and context, however, the story turns out to be about a group of court officers harassing Elisha, threatening to kill him just like their Jezebel did with all other priests of Jahweh (Go up to the mountain => Sacrifice to baal on the temple mount). They were about to lynch Elisha when God intervened. The second example is about Joshua entering the holy land. God specifically lays out rules for warfare against the giant clans because they need to be stopped asap. Compare it to the police barging into a house where a pedophile was keeping his niece imprisoned. The pedophile had been ordered to stop doing these horrendous things, but he does not repent so he has to be stopped with violence. We don't think the police is immoral for using violence in this situation, so why would we when God orders Joshua to stop a bunch of cannibal child-sacrificing clans?

[@sambigg4620]

Marcion still makes a great point! It doesn't sound like Jesus is talking about the same God. Dance around it all you want.

[@christendumb9371]

U really believe that until the law was read to the ppl by Moses ..those ppl never thought murder was wrong ?? .. Hamarabi new murder was wrong long long before those laws were written ...

[@hueylongeverymanaking3399]

Great video! Thanks 🙏

[@frederickanderson1860]

Same God.

[@jasminemariedarling]

It doesn't make perfect sense though. The God of the old testament is horrible to all the people groups besides his "chosen" people. How is that just? If he was harsh to everyone to mold them & shape them, every human on the planet, I could see your point (kind of). But to the nations surrounding Israel, he is fine with killing them, even babies, taking slaves etc. It's horrible. Sorry.

[@die_lollester]

very true. he says in the video that God is morally consistent but it's just not true.

[@lukaraljevic7666]

i see your point and I am nowhere near being an expert but in the old testament god was not all nice to his chosen people and terrible to everyone else. God punished his people multiple times for rebellion against him. For example, god killed a lot of people after they distrusted him when they were about to get to their promised land. So he was oftentimes very hard to his own people. And regarding the killing of other „potentially innocent“ people from other nations through god‘s hand, maybe they just were not that innocent and have deserved their death. For example they might have rebelled against god, in the sense that they didn‘t accept him as the only one true divine god. So they have gotten exactly the same punishment as the israelites that distrusted god, namely death. That‘s only how I think of it and as mentioned, I‘m not an expert so always gather your own thoughts about such complex topics. 🙏 May the holy spirit be within you.

[@ballin3230]

Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean God is “terrible”. Jesus and God play different roles. Like officers playing good cop bad cop in an interrogation room, different approaches but both have the same standards under the law and being the good guys keeping order. Sometimes you have to use force in doing what is morally right. The military for example, they use force to protect which includes killing. Are they morally wrong for protecting or taking out those who betrayed their country?

[@hobamagdy8457]

He was mostly harsher on his chosen people because the knew that god existed but still disobeyed

[@jasonmuniz-contreras6630]

Maybe because the people that contemplated and wrote about God were biased, despite them being inspired by God. This isn't God but perceptions of him by very inspired but still very imperfect humans.

[@Est1995]

Y’all notice he didn’t use no scriptures. He was just talking.

[@Judah_Mafia_074]

True

[@joshraymond1065]

God also acts very harshly with Ananias zapphira in the New Testament. It seems to me he is very concerned with corruption in the infant stages of things.

[@TheMiddle-Child]

Each letter of the Hebrew alphabet has several meanings-for example the letter Aleph (A) means "life-breath, power, source;"while the letter Beth (B) means "house, shelter"-and so on with every letter. The symbology allowed hidden teachings to be evident to those who knew how to read the deeper message contained in the names of all persons and places described. For example, the story of Cain slaying Abel is about fraternal rivalry. But symbolically, the name Cain means body and materialistic human desires, while Abel stands for the soul and idealistic human nature. These characters were so named to warn that materialism would kill spiritual ideas; hence Cain was said to have killed Abel (Genesis 4:8). Many biblical characters who reached periods of spiritual growth and development in their lives were given new names by divine direction. Thus Abram became Abraham (Genesis 17:5) and Sara became Sarah (Genesis 17:15). In both cases, the Hebrew Heh (H), a letter meaning "light" and having a vibration of 9, was added to the name to denote the attainment of spiritual light.

[@no-one-knows321]

Old testament God doesn't require anyone to justify his behaviour.

[@marvalice3455]

This is true, but it is good for us to think about God, and avoiding issues that make us squeamish makes us weak.

[@freespirit7450]

So you saying God changes his mind? This is bad 😢

[@jeaninehicks2907]

I still cannot get over the bashing of the babies on rocks and endorsing, rape, and Child rape.

[@BrianHoldsworth]

If you didn't live in a post-Christian world, none of those things would bother you. They were standard practice in virtually every pagan society. So, you're using a Christian conscience to reject Christianity.

[@MaryHadALittlelamb1]

The “bashing babies on the head” weren’t words from God. It was a song that the survivors sang to the Babylonians because they kept them captive and caused so much destruction. Where does it say Rape is allowed?

[@jeaninehicks2907]

@@MaryHadALittlelamb1 when God told the soldiers to take the virgins for themselves. Virgins are young girls. If God is telling men to take children as reward and do whatever they want with them, what do you think the men are going to decide to do? (Numbers 31)

[@MaryHadALittlelamb1]

@@jeaninehicks2907 It doesn’t say God told the soldiers to take virgins for themselves and children as a reward to rape them all, that’s against Gods laws. For centuries the people were disobeying God. The Midianites were leading the Israelites to idolatry. With Gods judgment, God told Moses to kill every male. Moses also killed every woman who was intimate with a man because they would seduce every Israelite man into idolatry. So they kept the virgin women and children alive because they were innocent and cared for them. God gives life and has the right to take life away. Soon God would then tell Jonah to go to preach repentance to the Assyrians because he loved him. God would also use Abraham to bless all nations so all nations would come into Gods kingdom.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Try to also ask these complacent peons about 2 Samuel 24. That, in it's own way... is actually, way, way, worse, in fact! But yes, Numbers 31:18, is also pretty poor. And Deuteronomy 21:11. All due to the poor, flimsy, flighty Israelites being 'led astray' by more unreal 'rival gods' I suppose. I wonder, who cast them, in...! But yes - do not forget the virgins. And do not forget, things like the Magdalene Laundries... either, I say.@@jeaninehicks2907

[@Womster1234]

i just came here because people are fighting in god of old and new testament