Richardson Industries Slamfire Guerrilla Shotguns

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Iliff Richardson was a US Navy Lieutenant assigned to PT 34 during the campaign in the Philippines. His boat was sunk in April 1942, and he ended up spending more than two years fighting with Philippine guerrillas against the Japanese occupation. He was decorated with the Silver Star and also given the rank of Major in the Philippine Army alongside his US Navy position. One of the things Richardson's men did was assemble simple slamfire shotguns to ambush Japanese patrols as a source for better arms. When Richardson returned home to the US after the end of the war, he was something of a famous war hero - a book was written about his time in the Philippines, and a big Hollywood movie was also made about him.
In 1946, Richardson Industries was formed to produce and sell a civilian version of the shotgun that Richardson had famously used with his guerrillas. Two versions were mass produced, one with a vertical front grip and a "trigger" that actually functioned as a safety, and a simplified versions with just 6 parts that did away with the safety. The guns were marketed as utilitarian, economy, general-purpose guns suited for hunting or recreational skeet shooting. They were not well received, and the company dissolved in 1947. Whether the more complex design was the first or second is not clear, but I suspect the complex one came first, to be replaced by the simpler one both to reduce production cost and because the complex version is surprisingly counter-intuitive to use.
Having taken both guns out to the range, I have to say that I was very surprised by just how goofily fun the simple type is to shoot. Thanks to Mike Carrick from Arms Heritage magazine for the opportunity to film and shoot these!
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[@MrDrboomstick]

available in the calibers "cork on a string" and "Flag with bang on it"

[@aborted4196]

Biff! Boff! Boof!

[@KenworthW900HG]

Vertical front grip model also available in full auto (ability to repeatedly shout bang in quick succession required - sold separately)

[@dash7828]

Took a pop gun with the corks and made them for adults

[@thetalesofdaneandco]

[The Joker has entered the chat]

[@robgoodsight6216]

The Joker entered the chat...

[@RichardGoth]

next step: two gun match with this and the liberator...

[@RichardGoth]

but only if there is a hand surgeon on standby...

[@Grimmtoof]

I think someone people might be upset if Ian shot their friend and stole their gun just to win a shooting competition!

[@jetwash7]

Maybe the only guns allowed, next step--walk the course throwing potatos

[@TheWolfsnack]

Tomorrow Ian fires the 50 bmg version.....

[@jimservu]

Still better than a Cobray Terminator and a Zip

[@SkyWriter25]

“You'd think that the big heavy square stock would be really uncomfortable. But, it's actually not any more uncomfortable than any other part of this thing.” A ringing endorsement!

[@Dr_Wrong]

"I'll finish off the box of ammo".. Is the endorsement..

[@jacobkamphaus5565]

"This one's actually fun"

[@thomasquwack9503]

he’s just glad it’s ambidextrous

[@BuckarooBoya]

I wonder if you could run slugs through this thing

[@florix7889]

The thing has litteraly 5 pieces and it manages to Jam... It's impressive honestly

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

Wish Ian wouldve tried using the safety when he tilted it forward. Honestly what I thought wouldve fixed the "jam". Edit: the whole time he kept shaking it upside down I had my hand over my mouth while I laughed that he couldn't figure it out til later.

[@jic1]

It was actually the more complicated version that jammed.

[@MrLoobu]

Same kid that spent all day trying to smash the square through the circular hole.

[@termitreter6545]

@@jic1 It is usually the more complicated version that jams

[@dbmail545]

@Nefanbeb Reghad since neither Ian or the gun's did that, I would have to assume that the "safety pin" doesn't completely clear the breach, and so the rim can't fall past it. Once the shell falls out of the barrel and tilts that may prevent the barrel from being replaced to push the safety down far enough to clear the rim.

[@evantemple4341]

Chalk those up under the “better than a sharp stick” category

[@raifsevrence]

I am not entirely convinced that these things are actually better than a sharp stick.

[@---mr5iu]

@@raifsevrence Well, worse comes to worse you have a pipe and a heavy wooden club.

[@sneakysnake7695]

@@raifsevrence apparently they were very effective, it's a very dangerous piece of wood with a pipe glued on

[@normanmccollum6082]

I dunno, give me a few months and I might be able to handle a bow and arrow more efficiently than that thing. Oof, now I REALLY want to try slinging some arrows... damn you, Kingdom Come: Deliverance! You glorious game you...

[@qoph1988]

Zip gun's just as lethal as a real gun if you have a decent level of surprise. Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

[@kainepeterson6638]

My great grandfather also fought on the Philippines with the Guerrillas. He and his Filipina wife, my great grandmother, fought the Japanese. He left the family a chrysanthemum marked proper imperial Katana, and its wild to think he more than likely took a man’s life for that sword, and brought it home.

[@GavoOutDaBando]

Thats badass

[@archangel6666]

Didn’t the Japanese army surrender their katanas to the Allies when caught? It’s possible one of the soldiers just gave it to him

[@foxy126pl6]

​@@archangel6666 if they did, they whould have schached off all markings out of honor to the emperor

[@MidMo4020]

@@foxy126pl6 it’s also very possible he had to pull it out of the dead officers own stomach after having committed Seppuku facing certain defeat.

[@foxy126pl6]

@@MidMo4020 thats possible too

[@0040207]

I feel like the intended customers for this would have already made one in their garage.

[@Otokichi786]

I am "Shotgun Bubba!";)

[@cuffzter]

Just out of interest. Would it cost less than $93?

[@b-beale1931]

@@cuffzter depends if you had the tools first or not

[@cuffzter]

@@b-beale1931 At least I wouldnt have to pay for the labor...

[@Sman7290]

If it were $93, it might sell.

[@TheRogueWolf]

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

[@donjones4719]

20th century aircraft engineers were more succinct; "Lighten and simplificate."

[@squishypunk]

You could remove the stock and just have two tubes

[@RDeathmark]

That's because nothing is perfect

[@limyohwan]

@@donjones4719 it was actually colin chapman, “simplify, then add lightness”

[@Kumimono]

Scribble something on a paper, then remove lines until a sheep emerges. :)

[@MussaKZN]

And this is why “ghost guns” will always be available. Pipe, wood, shotgun shells. year 10 at school in machine shop .22lr pen guns were in mass production.

[@esbenm6544]

Shotgun shells and .22 rounds are not just found in nature

[@mostlypeacefulguntraining]

@@esbenm6544 right, but the materials to make gunpowder are, and shotgun shells can be made from cardboard, and filled with rocks

[@esbenm6544]

@@mostlypeacefulguntraining You can try. You need a foundry to make reliable ammunition from scratch. Brass doesn't just mold itself. It is really not that difficult to control the flow of ammunition, easier than the guns themselves. You don't see a lot of black market ammo, despite regular ammo being pretty expensive.

[@mostlypeacefulguntraining]

@@esbenm6544 because theres no need for it. if it were survival, thats very different. you make a zip musket to take down your target. They made firearms in the 1500s, Im pretty sure I could fashion something to survive with modern tools. i dont need a .22 casing, what arent you understanding?

[@mostlypeacefulguntraining]

@@esbenm6544 reference the assassination of Shinzo Abe just a few months ago.

[@L-H-B]

Glock: the safety is on the trigger Richardson: the trigger IS the safety

[@Subtlenimbus]

The safety on a Glock trigger is a drop safety.

[@L-H-B]

@@Subtlenimbus We have entered the no fun allowed zone.

[@AnimeFan_2013]

Hahaha

[@JacobTheGunNut]

Remington: the safety is the trigger

[@sebastianriz4703]

@@Subtlenimbus Its also a saftey that insures that the trigger is pulled properly in order for the striker to be fired.

[@SuperiorAutocraft]

The holder of this shotgun is entitled to one free Arisaka .

[@chrisperrien7055]

I'd wait for the guy toting a Type99 LMG

[@chrisweyers4764]

@@daggers101 thats some good shooting right there

[@5hiftyL1v3a]

@@chrisweyers4764 you heard the story about the US pilot who downed a Zero with a .45 while hanging from his parachute? Played dead and plane banked slowly around him only a few yards away - he figured to check he was dead - and he just pulled his pistol and blasted away - plane banked away and flew into the ground.

[@chrisweyers4764]

@@5hiftyL1v3a oh right ye, i remember watching a video about that one a while ago, pretty cool

[@m1a1abramstank49]

@@5hiftyL1v3a I heard of it, but the story is suspect at best. While not improbable there’s no clear cut evidence to prove as such, like the Greyhound that supposedly killed a Tiger.

[@theseventhsinmaxwell5700]

When you think about it this is the perfect gun for trombone players

[@STUN_SEED.]

The fact we dont call it the trombone gun is a real shame

[@FoxtrotFleet]

@@STUN_SEED. needs a blunderbuss barrel and it's perfect.

[@georgepoggington4896]

@@FoxtrotFleet Many guns need a blunderbuss barrel to be perfect tbh. Now I’m imagining a AA-12 with a blunderbuss barrel.

[@blackcountryme]

@@georgepoggington4896 Na, CIWS with a blunderbuss end. 😂

[@FoxtrotFleet]

@@georgepoggington4896 Now that I think of it I'm surprised Cobray never offered blunderbuss barrel extensions for their weapons in the 80s.

[@JacksonKV2FTW]

Looks like something you'd build from Home Depot supplies for a gun buyback

[@randybobandy9208]

Money factory 👌Gotta get those tax dollars back

[@boomerisadog3899]

Have you seen the GB-22?

[@JacksonKV2FTW]

@@boomerisadog3899 I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it and had to Google it, that's an awesome concept though

[@epluribusunum6622]

You mean the $14 hardware store 12 gauge?

[@anthroplant7879]

It is.

[@Cryfield1999]

these guns look like someone is trying to draw a gun from memory

[@jasonreed1631]

I was thinking more someone who had never seen a gun trying to draw one from someone's description.

[@Cryfield1999]

@@jasonreed1631 That's actually more accurate

[@tubedude2022]

Damn good drawing...

[@andrewallason4530]

Only if they have Alzheimer’s disease.

[@Face2theScr33n]

@@andrewallason4530 Just imagine the balls those guys had to wield these against men with real weapons. I know we're kinda joking here, but Alzheimer's? We're talking about war veterans, here. Men whose generation have almost entirely left us. This also goes for the other cynics on this thread.

[@noahgodfrey4209]

Richardson's son: "Dad I drew a gun" Richardson: "yes."

[@altf4217]

Patent Pending

[@minhqun]

@@altf4217 parent pending

[@dangenovese8905]

Wouldn't Richardson's son just be grandson?

[@kaliumnitraat]

@@dangenovese8905 wow

[@Luke-rt9bx]

I know it’s an older comment lol but the one in the back looks like a 40 dollar pellet gun my dad bought me when I was 8 lol

[@thomasvanstraelen5848]

The Elbonian Glorious Ministry of People's Defence was interested in these, until its officers noticed the absence of a barrel shroud.

[@Piromanofeliz]

No bayonet lug either

[@ukromarine426]

That's why they adopted the cobray terminator

[@misterthegeoff9767]

They tried to modify them to have a magazine cutoff but were perplexed by the lack of magazine.

[@edwalmsley1401]

It would be acceptable if only it had a forward assist

[@studentdrake]

Barrel shorud, you mean that thing that goes up?

[@mixererunio1757]

I think it would me more popular if it was advertised as "survivalist", "prepper" shotgun sold as kit to assembly. Like something you don't buy to use but to keep in your basement just in case.

[@Longshot88]

Actually, they are. BUDK sells a version of this made entirely of pipe, but it's .410. It's bizarre lol

[@Otokichi786]

If you check out those budget Horror movies, that Slam Fire Shotgun should be right next to you candle holder/flashlight.

[@michaeltubbs4606]

Cobray marketed one in the 1980s.

[@Hanzer-ns5bh]

The Catch-22 of this is that any survivalist/prepper type knows a box of shotshells and a trip to Home Depot is all you need. So then you're stuck selling "professionally made" slam-bangs to the kind of dudes who buy pot-metal ZOMBIE RESCUE knives off of AliExpress and have their entire "bug-out kit" made by Condor. Not a real sustainable business model.

[@ChrisStavros]

If you're "preparing" you would just buy an actual shotgun. This is something you'd make when you don't have a proper weapon and have to create one from scrap. I mean why the fuck would you "prepare" to have a piece of shit as your weapon.

[@lucasdog1]

With the "stuck empty shell" issue, The trigger safety also acts as an extractor. Just point at the ground and pull the safety trigger. The lug moves out of the way and the shell falls free.

[@7thboss931]

Cool tip. I guess that’s why the simpler version does not have a safety lug

[@johnnywaynesheppard2838]

That is absolutely what happened. Easy fix

[@Sadreath]

@@LC-vx7zo Pretty sure that was the first thing they tried when they noticed that it was caught on the safety lug...

[@BatCaveOz]

I have an incredibly strong suspicion that the anonymous firearms collector and Ian tried that before 30 minutes had passed. There was probably some case expansion that prevented gravity from allowing the case to fall free.

[@weswolever7477]

Ian’s mother: You can’t leave the range until you finish all your shells Ian : yes mom

[@chinchilla641]

Freedom seeds*

[@dav1e479]

Fired from a freedom protection rifle

[@chrispbacon3042]

“Ian no ice cream for you until you finish all your shells “. “ Yes mom”.

[@ther6sshieldmain937]

Emptied Communism Caps**

[@lamnad]

@@chinchilla641 "Freedom seeds" sounds like it would be a shell with wildflower seeds rather than shot.

[@joaopedrocosta4420]

"This also helps ensure that the barrel doesn't fall out when you point the gun down." That's a sentence that I never thought I would hear without a bunch load of sarcasm

[@bobmcbob49]

and without it being said in a Russian accent

[@UncleLoodis]

I think it's ironic that one model had a front sight, but you had your hand wrapped around the barrel so you couldn't see the front sight. The other model had a foregrip, so you would have been able to see the sight when shooting, but it didn't have a front sight.

[@cowboywoodard2569]

Need to change one for the other lol and be like hey let's use a 2x4 and or a 2x6

[@johnbuttery1171]

"Embarrassingly fun to use" Must remember that one.

[@qoph1988]

I love how reticent he was to admit he likes the 2x4" with a tube nailed into it compared with how obviously giddy he is to actually be shooting it. Went through all the shells. Ian's a good guy.

[@commodorebuttfreckle6610]

"Remarkably not terrible" really hit close to home with me.

[@Ewebesch]

I like to call it the "crappy 50cc scooter effect"

[@tvdootman27]

:)))

[@RK-ej1to]

Should flesh lights motto

[@MistuhRobe]

If that thing was any more primitive, Captain Kirk would be using it to fire a diamond at a Gorn.

[@maxkronader5225]

Solid. Star Trek TOS references always rate a thumbs up.

[@glennsbjorling1525]

Correct sir!

[@donjones4719]

A stellar reference.

[@FIREBRAND38]

Close the comments! No one is gonna top that one.

[@TheScreamingFrog916]

Best in comment section, award given!

[@PianoMan347]

“I’ve got a pocket full of shells.” *Rage Against The Machine wants to know your location*

[@uncleacid6973]

Now I am rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun

[@FictionWeLiveIn]

I notice that he did not rally around the family, though.

[@scottashe984]

With a pasta full of shells..

[@JohnDoe-mp1yn]

@Jay Slomine Capitalist propaganda is still very effective on you I see

[@TzunSu]

@Jay Slomine You're just mad that they are Paul Ryan's favorite group.

[@andreasmuller4666]

Now that´s pretty much the deffinition of a "boom" stick.

[@Joshua_Finbarr]

It reminds me about my great grandfather who was a corporal in Philippine Constabulary who use these kinds of emergency weapons thanks for sharing us about the gun who reminds me about my great grandfather thank you...

[@Coopdeville0624]

Ace hardware has everything you need to build that shotgun for 30 bucks lol.

[@Fudmottin]

Not counting the cost for a wooden stock.

[@Coopdeville0624]

@@Fudmottin haha double that with the price of wood now. But you can make em work without a stock.

[@theeyeballthatcameoutofthe5268]

@@Fudmottin you make a wood stock with a random tree very easy

[@Fudmottin]

@@theeyeballthatcameoutofthe5268 Nah, man. The trees fight back!

[@Fudmottin]

@Google Ghey I had a nice walnut log that I tried to turn into grip panels for a pistol. I wasn't up to the job. It was a very nice piece of wood though. It was large enough to be used for rifle or shotgun furniture. Unfortunately I don't have it anymore.

[@karisvenner3892]

Cursed statement : "This is a safety that looks like a trigger" ... well at least it's not the other way around, yay I guess ^^'

[@grayeaglej]

Yay! :D

[@asteroidrules]

Which sadly also exists, "thumb triggers."

[@canceroushumor460]

Cries in R700

[@Mada_1337]

Ian reviews a shotgun that seems purposely made for accidental discharges and for people to shoot off their fingers. Engineers at Kel-Tec - Heavy Breathing

[@arthurmoore9488]

Bullpup shotgun!

[@timothylewis90]

I made a version of this in high school that consisted of just the two tubes with the barrel tube being of aluminum. Proud to say that I still have all my fingers.

[@someguy5444]

Like in 410 birdshot?

[@timothylewis90]

@@someguy5444 I wasn't that smart. It was 12 gauge.

[@someguy5444]

@@timothylewis90 well you are braver then I ever was 😂

[@delayedhoe9714]

That's plot armor right there

[@georgepoggington4896]

@@delayedhoe9714 Plot armor? No, my guy has Florida Man mentality protection.

[@robertdeen5591]

When my father was in the Dutch underground they held to the adage, a knife can get you a sword and a sword can get you a rifle.

[@mriverlands9584]

So you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight. As long as you show up early enough.

[@chrisperrien7055]

Use a hooker to "distract" a soldier, and steal his rifle, while he is busy, using his gun. LOL

[@justinmcmanus1764]

They look like the toy guns they sell at museum gift shops

[@mojomanrosie]

The ones with the string and the cork popper lol

[@kevintang5473]

And now they are in the museum itself

[@stevenjohnson2273]

I kept expecting to see Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny make an appearance.

[@lmcc8798]

“Subtract everything nonessential, then add lightness.” Collin Chapman, founder of Lotus

[@jalpat2272]

ya but i am sure trigger are essentials since the day they were moving saltpeter soaked burning ropes then flints until complex bolt and fire pin mechanism.

[@donpaterson4476]

Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious .

[@donpaterson4476]

Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious .

[@jalpat2272]

@@donpaterson4476 lotus was reliable in recent decades as they are just putting toyota engine inside small carbon fiber cabin, but today they would build evs and hybrids.

[@ODonnchadhaBrian]

Ian tries the early version; "Yeah, I'm not really sure why I fired that second shot." Ian tries the later verdion; "So, can I just finish this box of ammo, yeah?"

[@BrynC100]

"I'm not sure why I'm doing it again but I'm going to" Yeah Ian, that's me every morning when I get out of bed

[@lakemanson8051]

I love how the shooting video was filmed like an early 2000's sporting tv show. He even has the huge trucker hat

[@wolfen26]

to me it looks like one out of the 80's.

[@alexreams1060]

"I'm not sure why I'm doing this again." For posterity, naturally.

[@jrstoelting]

And a bad review on a gun. You don’t even want to shoot it twice

[@poyaispanic5269]

It’s for the content!

[@kopperhed4472]

"-this is actually a gun-shaped thing." is something I wouldn't expect to hear from a firearm overview.

[@jpassa9093]

how else would I know its gun-shaped though

[@KillbillyA]

This is actually a very nice tutorial how to build a fairly well functioning gun from scratch in post apocalyptic scenario.

[@jamesmortimer4016]

T´noight on forgotm wapn´s: Ian breaks a focking slamfire shotgun

[@Clay3613]

Yes, spread Bottom Gear memes to everything!

[@ericparris1935]

How dare you blaspheme gun Jesus. Now your introble.

[@z3r0_35]

Honestly, I didn't know you COULD break a slamfire shotgun in a manner besides having it explode in your face. Guess I was wrong.

[@qoph1988]

@@ericparris1935 Gun Jesus forgives all

[@fraser9580]

First you see the light. Then you are forgiven.

[@SUPERSOCK4L1FE]

He complained about this a lot less than he did about the Cobray Terminator

[@bananamustard1151]

this worked

[@DaveTex2375]

I thought about the Terminator too.

[@LanceSniper001]

This had a reason to exist in the first place.

[@karvast5726]

At least these had an excuse to be made so cheap and these actually works

[@erebys21]

"Hey, what caliber is this gun?" "About the size of Dale's thumb."

[@IrenMasot]

The simpler shotgun out of the two is really a remarkable firearm, just watching Ian have fun firing it, and now I wish I had a slam-fire hillbilly gun of my own.

[@Tim123-l1c]

They don't cost much when you see em.

[@baronofhell2277]

I mean, for Gorillas to use them they must be pretty simple

[@jackmcslay]

The way the squared stock looks it seems it needs a gorilla's hand to hold properly.

[@high-velocitymammal5030]

hehe big monke

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Reject civilisation, embrace Monke

[@AINGELPROJECT667]

If only Harambe had one, he could have defended himself

[@adrianfirewalker4183]

Lol

[@redmurder13]

Wished they just kept the front pistol grip handle for the trigger-less version

[@JordanHaisley]

Yes, although they should have made at a 90’ angle, with a reversible barrel, so you can load the opposite end and shoot through the old shell, relatively fast cycle times are possible that way.

[@andrewince8824]

I'd imagine an unmentioned aspect, as the intention was primarily to arm guerillas, is that the second pattern barrel isn't obviously a barrel. I can imagine if one had to conceal the weapon, having such a nondescript piece of metal with few features opens up some new hiding spots. The rear is the part you'd need to conceal. The barrel could probably pass for a tool or something. Wedge a brush head into the bore maybe. In a guerilla campaign that would probably make it safer to the user.

[@Themanwithnoscreenname]

Thoreau: "Simplify, simplify." After seeing this video Thoreau: "Alright, that's much too simple, you've gone too far."

[@Trint3e]

“Simplify, simplify, wait, Richardson what the fuck are you doing”

[@ancientlaserrifle1496]

i would have kept the foregrip. but other than that it works just fine. and it's still a better gun than the cobray terminator.

[@jonathan_60503]

"Not any more uncomfortable than any other part of this thing" -- that sounds like damning with faint praise :D

[@donchivo9514]

"Shoots real shotgun shells!"

[@holdentudix7505]

2 times I have watched a forgotten weapons video and come away thinking I could make something better in my garage, which is not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@donweatherwax9318]

Just out of curiosity, what was the other one? (It was the SIG AK-53, wasn't it? You can't fool me)

[@Paronak]

"there's the lug from the trigger that trapped the shell" Me: "so pull the trigger and shake it" *frantically shakes the gun without pulling the trigger* Me: "no, hold down the trigger while doing it" "we will wait tomorrow to disassemble the gun" Me: "JUST PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER"

[@Bigpower802]

I was thinking the same thing!!

[@Paronak]

@@Bigpower802 boomer moment for Ian

[@andybrown4284]

If the shell got stuck behind or on the internals for the safety then the trigger likely wouldn't work without something stuck into the case to grip and extract it.

[@Anon.Emouse]

I came here to comment exactly the same thing.

[@jic1]

@@andybrown4284 Possibly true, but he didn't even try. I was also watching this screaming "JUST PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER" at the screen.

[@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344]

To help again on the patent stuff: 1 - Patent Pending means that a Patent has been applied for. Patent Applications can take months or years to be evaluated. The first pass is almost always rejected. Approval normally requires 1 or more modifications to an application to make it conform to the reviewer's views. 2 - There are actually 2 kinds of patents: Utility Patents and Design Patents. We normally talk about Utility Patents that cover the function of a device, process, or system. Design Patents cover the look of an item. These are normally less useful than a Utility Patent, but there are cases where you might want to get one. An example might be (and I have not looked to see if any of these exist) patenting the look of a sneaker (we know there is a collector market in sneakers). 3 - The patents involved here might be much simpler than you think. If I look at the simpler version of the design, I note there is a "Thumb Screw Safety". How many other guns have you seen with one of those? Remember Patents depend on a 3 part test: Novelty, Utility, and Obviousness. Utility is the easiest to define: Is it possible in the real world (note that is why you can not get a patent on a perpetual motion machine). Novelty means that something has not been done before and by that normally this means a combination of items. This will be compared to the "prior art" or how things might have been done before. Obviousness is the toughest as it means "not obvious to one skilled in the art". That means would a gun designer think to put a thumb screw safety on a slam fire shotgun. This is a more opinion question than a fact based one.

[@jnichols3]

My father had one. I remember seeing it in the attic of our house in the late 70s. My parents passed away and my siblings don't remember anything about it. Really sad that I never asked my father about it. It is probably still in that attic hidden under some insulation.

[@muguly4591]

Go get it

[@jnichols3]

@@muguly4591 The house was sold in the early 80s.

[@muguly4591]

@@jnichols3 break in. I bet it's still there

[@therideneverends1697]

"I got a pocket full of shells" I appreciate that refrerence

[@iaial0]

@@detol8 no need just feed the cannibal animal ah

[@fortyfive4632]

They rally round the family

[@skepticalbadger]

I doubt that was a RATM reference. Pocket ammo carry is a real thing with shotguns, especially the market intended here

[@fortyfive4632]

@@skepticalbadger you have failed the fun exam sir.

[@ottovonbearsmark8876]

Seems like the front grip of the more complicated one, put on the less complicated one could give you the best of both worlds.

[@BAROMETERONE]

The interesting thing about the simple version appears to be that reloading and firing multiple rounds appears as though it could be done fairly quickly once one became proficient. Perhaps faster than many more complicated single shot, shotguns.

[@5isalivegaming72]

There's plenty more tricks you can pull with a real break action that make that an impossibility haha. Not a chance, I can keep the shotgun shouldered, click a button and open the gun and eject the shell and slide the next one from my hand (that can hold 3 or 4 shells) in 1 second. That's 4 or 5 separate motions with the slamfire, and reloading is gonna be a whole other fiasco being as you really need to hold on for dear life with both hands to fire lmao

[@KenS826]

Faster than any black powder rifle at least.

[@h2489-m2l]

If Ian had held the trigger down whilst trying to shake the empty shell out, would it not have fallen free?

[@leoa4c]

Im pretty sure it would have.

[@ODonnchadhaBrian]

Looked that way to me.

[@jcorbett9620]

If the rim of the shell was the only thing catching, then pulling the "trigger" should have released the lip. It almost sounds like there was something else, though I can't see what, meaning either he couldn't do that or it didn't work. Ian said it was painful to pull/hold the "trigger", but the earlier shooting video showed him wearing gloves, so that shouldn't have been an issue.

[@pacmanx4]

Thinking the same thing.

[@mattzegarski3831]

I was yelling at my screen, "Pull the trigger!" When he said that it was caught on the nub, I thought he would try it then.

[@clemdelaclem]

Imagine building a gun this simple and it still malfunctions 50% of the time

[@craigharness3156]

This comment about made me spit out my coffee

[@kurokagethescrub9627]

And yet it's still more reliable than the Cobray Terminator.

[@shawnr771]

It only needs to function once.

[@sebastianriz4703]

@@shawnr771 thats not the point or reliability...of you only need to use it one time, cool, but what if thst one time you need it, it has a 50% chance of fucking up?

[@shawnr771]

A person would have to be reasonably close to use this weapon. They also have a 50/50 chance of missing. If they miss or it malfunctions the element of surprise is lost. So then it is a club. If someone was using something like this in war. They are already in a fairly grim situation and have made the decision in the face of the odds being against them to do something.

[@graemeforbes535]

"we want M4s" "we have M4s at home" The M4's at home

[@coitusergosum2447]

Theoretically, one could throw the gun at an unsuspecting Japanese soldier like a spear and it'll still fire.

[@thesmallestminorityisthein4045]

I'm imaging that and it's hilarious.

[@lodge8073]

Then they pick it up, load a shell and throw them back at em, and it’s suddenly a tribal skirmish except they’re chucking slam fire shotguns.

[@victorwaddell6530]

A similar weapon called a ' bang stick ' was once used by scuba divers to kill sharks . I believe bang sticks are illegal now .

[@DH-xw6jp]

It obviously needs a bayonet.

[@marleegould542]

@@DH-xw6jp no, just stab him with the barrel. It will fire the shell anyways, like the punch guns in Inglorious Bastards.

[@Ashfielder]

The sovereign of slamfire, Royal Nonesuch, would be proud.

[@ozdavemcgee2079]

I saw some old guy doing slamfire in 410...with a lil safety on a floating firing pin..very posh

[@TimThompson19791979]

I miss his videos. That kid has a huge set

[@assassinbassin3072]

@@TimThompson19791979 No he just knows the laws LOL

[@TimThompson19791979]

@@assassinbassin3072 Trust me the kid is very brave or very stupid. I recall him doing some crazy things. He should be an inspiration to us all.

[@Blejk_Karington]

@@TimThompson19791979 now he is real gun designer with Mark Serbu😁

[@imtableship1703]

"Shall I just finish off the box of ammo?... I'll just finish of the box of ammo." is a MOOD.

[@GaldirEonai]

"Three-gun match, here I come" Imagine being a regular at Ian's range, signing up for those competitions and then seeing what weird shit Gun Jesus rolls up with every time :D.

[@tarmaque]

I have a Rexio single-shot pistol in .410/.45 Long Colt (with either smooth or rifled screw in chokes!) A Remington Model-14 pump action rifle in .32 Remington, and a Hungarian PJK9HP 9mm High-Power knock off that is really sensitive to ammunition. (I hear a new extractor spring solves the problem.) He may have weirder stuff but I could do a weird 3-gun too. (Granted, .32 Remington is not easy to source these days, and if there are arguments about the pistol shotgun I can just as easily bring my Winchester Model 50 semi-auto.) Alternately, I have a faked but excellent condition Australian SMLE Jungle Carbine, a shaved Webley MKVI, and a Stevens take-down 520 pump.

[@Jayhawkga]

Imagine how you would feel being beaten by Gun Jesus using that weird shit .

[@tarmaque]

@@Jayhawkga Privileged?

[@Jayhawkga]

@@tarmaque Maybe. Shamed is more likely.

[@williammagoffin9324]

Ian shows up with a potato cannon, this slamfire shotgun, and a Crosman air pistol converted to use nailgun blanks with a pellets glued to the front.

[@rogerwennstrom6677]

"Recoil is remarkably not terrible" - hilarious praise there :)

[@phatman808]

3 gun with this, a metal Liberator and that flintlock Zimbabwe poacher gun.

[@fedep.6741]

Afghan bolt action AK too

[@maxnaz47]

I was triggered when Ian didn't pull the trigger to release the spent cartridge.

[@Voron_Aggrav]

was also going, Hmm if it's Stuck on the "Safety" maybe if you'd pull the trigger it'd work?

[@piotrnod6489]

yeah, dummy press that f trigger already x)

[@Voron_Aggrav]

@@piotrnod6489 your Profile pic is 10/10 on this chain :D

[@piotrnod6489]

@@Voron_Aggrav at last x)

[@stonebay2111]

@@Voron_Aggrav glad I wasn't the only one

[@ianhale4466]

This thing being 90 bucks explains a lot about modern cheap pistols

[@roycezaro1998]

"It was at this time that GUN JESUS recalled the Days Of Old, and how the prophet Richardson came upon the Philippine Guerrilla Shotgun during his time of wandering in the jungle."

[@skashed]

The title should be: "Ian finds a way to talk about slam fire shotguns for 20 minutes, while somehow keeping it interesting."

[@DaveTex2375]

Should do a parody about a convict's crudely built pipe gun. "Let me show you it's features."

[@skashed]

@@DaveTex2375 lol! Nice. I'm pretty sure Joerg would do an amazing job in place of Ian on that topic

[@davesimmons8640]

"I'm not sure why I'm doing it again, but I'm going to." We've all said that.

[@VornameNachname-wu5mz]

They look like someone in the fallout universe started putting real pride into his/her work.

[@waynewalters426]

Right? I wish the pipe weapons had more attention in that game. The designs are kind of wacky and the usage sup par to a 10mm, the first gun you get. Imagine if this was just the pipe gun precursor to the double barrel or something.

[@floorfungus4209]

the classics actually used a single shot pope rifle that looks not unsimilar to this and used 10mm ig j remember correctly

[@amcconnell6730]

14:30 The shell is stuck behind the "safety lug" ... *shake shake* Me: Pull the "trigger", pull the "trigger" to lower the "safety lug"!!

[@murphy4yt]

No wonder they didn’t sell many of these. For about the same money, you could get an H&R single shot, and have a real shotgun.

[@etoineschrdlu9382]

"It's actually not any more uncomfortable than any other part of this thing."

[@benkimberley]

i love how youre still doing trigger discipline without a trigger

[@DM-fd7jj]

I found one of my guns that didn't get lost in a boating accident.

[@ew1974]

"It's actually not anymore uncomfortable than any other part of this thing" now that's a ringing endorsement

[@jjc5475]

first part: this is so bad. second part: imma just shoot all the ammo.

[@jeffreymoffitt4070]

If i were to remake this, i would just put the foregrip on the simple one

[@Branflakes143]

Even a simple leather wrap would make it 100% better.

[@emilysmith6897]

For the version with a trigger I think it can actually be used as a trigger by applying backwards pressure to the barrel (so you're essentially trying to squeeze the two parts of the gun together), and then while doing that you pull the trigger.

[@geogemini8528]

I'm just impressed you made a 21 min video out of a gun I could make at home depot in 30 min haha.

[@JerryWorkman-u3m]

It's you tube rules . He has to do the , look what I found thing , a world treasure .

[@redram5150]

Weren’t these also issued by the Elbonian Secret Service?

[@donjones4719]

I was looking for other Elbonian references, since I'd been beaten to it. Yours has an excellent original twist. Yes, these would conceal well under a suit jacket.

[@stallfighter]

Looks like thing is easy to convert into silenced weapon, sooo....

[@redram5150]

@@donjones4719 rather, it’s based on the idea Elbonia is constantly broke and the best weapon they could source for government bodyguards to carry is a cork & string rifle crossed with a potato gun

[@safetymikeengland]

I saw one of these a long time ago. At the time, I was told it was a home-made gun. Then I saw this presentation a couple years ago I think; I was shocked to see this weapon and to know it was actually sort of mass-produced.

[@XrayxRich]

Very similar Slam Fire weapons, even in other caliber, were shown with plans in an old US Army Training Manual I used to have, TM 31-210 "Improvised Munitions Handbook." It even explained with illustrations how to make gun powder.

[@kikohome]

FOUND MYSELF YELLING AT THE SCREEN: "PULL THE TRIGGER FOR THE SHELL !"

[@md_vandenberg]

It took 30 minutes to get the damn shell out. I think the problem was more than just pulling the trigger.

[@kikohome]

Whould`ve been the proper reaction anyway...instead Jesus(with all respect.to his work.I`m a HUGE fan)goes "Ah. Theres a little log..."and doesn`t even try or mantion...Kind of made my day...How many IAN`s does it take to screw a lightbulb...eh...get a case out of..... :o)

[@kingfishercomputing9497]

Yeah, it seems it would be obvious. However, instructing Gun Jesus could be considered blasphemy.

[@jic1]

@@md_vandenberg Quite possibly, but it was the obvious first step, and he didn't even try.

[@robert7984]

"Embarrassing fun to use" My ex-wife thought the same of me.

[@tylerhemphill5010]

F

[@whocares6574]

Big oof

[@rickcoakley2092]

I like ian's trigger discipline shooting the first one. His finger straight and off the trigger... even while firing.

[@OneShotNick92]

Well in my country that’s what we call paliuntod. The stockless version is called the sumpak. Used by hoodlums

[@Stevarooni]

Goes to show that making guns isn't complicated or expensive, if you don't mind dropping luxury features like an ejector or spring for the firing pin. 😁

[@jonathangriffiths2499]

@@Stevarooni hands , fingers and eyes can also be described as “ luxury features “ in this context

[@asdasd-ty9se]

@@jonathangriffiths2499 that’s why you have somebody else shoot it first

[@salty_armorer4027]

@@jonathangriffiths2499 That's why you build them right to begin with.

[@dirtyburd71]

I have made a few of these types of shotguns. They are fun to make and really quite a novelty. Most are all metal but I made a double barrel side by side with a wooden stock. It still needs some finish work to smooth out the stock but should be a fun one too!

[@scooterdogg7580]

you too can have one , available at hardware stores everywhere ;)

[@lorax6001]

Why do i feel like this is something that Serbu would make and sell just for the shit of it

[@jic1]

Would it be called the Serbu GB-12, or the Serbu RN-12?

[@SuperFunkmachine]

Gun buy backs hate slam fires like this.

[@grayeaglej]

@@jic1 RN. Just like the 50bmg

[@asteroidrules]

Or Royal Nonesuch.

[@thesmallestminorityisthein4045]

Mark would add more quality to be honest.

[@heyoka9012]

Thank you for this! Very interesting! I lived on Mindanao in ‘90/‘91 on assignment with an NGO; my “culture broker”/bodyguard was a former Muslim who had since converted to Christianity, and had fought alongside the “illaga” during the troubles in North Cotabato in the ‘70s. He said they (the Illaga) used those guns, or versions of them. They packed their own rounds; he said they packed them with glass, because it was a) cheap, b) field expedient and c) “you don’t die in the shot,” he said, grinning wide, “you die in the operation.” Daghan salamat! 🙏🏻

[@veteran011]

"I'm not sure why I'm doing it again but I'm going to..." story of my life...

[@juhajarkkoulvila7041]

This kinda weapon is usually called "tussari" in finnish, many variations all very unsafe to shoot. Been there done that, never again, still have all fingers and both eyes...

[@mementomori7825]

@asdrubale bisanzio it's either a gun, or a fragmentation grenade..

[@Longshot88]

That's funny, because I've made one of these out of pipe fittings and put dozens of rounds through it, hasn't even shown the slightest signs of weakening or breaking. Must have just been a poor gunsmith who made it.

[@salty_armorer4027]

Mark Serbu has a video on his channel about how to properly make a slamfire and goes into great detail about why waterpipe isn't the best choice. I suggest downloading it using 3rd party youtube download services before censorship takes it down.

[@TheWood0465]

Your jokes, when you make them are often kind of sedate. When I listen to you say, standing there with half a gun in one hand, shaking the other half, that "this is a problem when you're fighting the Japanese," I can see you're going a different direction. I love this channel.

[@SomeOne-mx2ro]

Imagine showing up with this thing with duct taped laser and collimator sight to it on some tactical meet-up

[@ton870]

royal nunsuch has alredy been there

[@SomeOne-mx2ro]

@@ton870 where can I find it?

[@ton870]

@@SomeOne-mx2ro they were taken down a couple years ago

[@SomeOne-mx2ro]

@@ton870 yeah I can see why His craftsmanship went way ahead of what should be legal

[@SomeOne-mx2ro]

More like darknet blueprints for fellas who got some bitcoin

[@JeSsSe66]

You can get a sense of how effective this weapon would have been when you see how much he enjoys shooting it

[@ElijahWalkerRowan]

I think the better marketing scheme would be “Need something dead? This’ll do the job”

[@shawnc1936]

Added bonus. It’s a quick release take down lol.

[@guardrailbiter]

at the range: I didn't "drop" my gun; I was field stripping it.

[@Amarok41]

Don't have a skeet ranch but I know a guy who has a bunch of hand traps

[@brightargyle8950]

I expected the trigger to actually push the firing pin forward as a form of safety, which would have made more sense but would likely have complicated what should be a simple firearm. I always like learning about these old improvised firearms!

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

"mom, we need a shotgun" mom "we have shotgun at home" shotgun at home: