How to Watch Star Wars, Part Two: The Special Editions Are the Movies, Get Over It

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Rick Worley

Rick Worley

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@Red-pv3tw
@Red-pv3tw 4 ай бұрын
"I almost got hornswaggled into that documentary. They weren't calling it 'The People vs George Lucas' at the time, but I could tell from the questions they were asking it was an open invitation to trash George!" -Mark Hamill
@LiveHedgehog
@LiveHedgehog 2 жыл бұрын
How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was Saved in the Edit is worth a watch too. It shows how much people like to misunderstand and twist the truth just to make their point.
@filiperoque1801
@filiperoque1801 2 жыл бұрын
That channel blessed us with three amazing Star Wars videos and then dropped from the face of the Earth. But we still got some solid content from him nonetheless.
@TheBaselessMountain
@TheBaselessMountain 2 жыл бұрын
True
@username45739
@username45739 2 жыл бұрын
@pyropulse Huh? They lie about things that have meaning to them personally.
@username45739
@username45739 2 жыл бұрын
@@filiperoque1801 There's a part in his 2nd "Apocrypha" video, i.e. the ST critique, where Nerdonymous heavily misrepresents at least two bits from TLJ: Says Luke "runs away from his apprentice" after seeing how powerful she was - in truth he was afraid that she'd go dark after not resisting that cave influence, but continued with his lessons afterward. And then he says Rey leaves him because of how bitter and useless he is, when in fact the main (if not only?) reason she left was because of the conversations with Ren and her belief he could be turned. Hilariously enough, that 2nd misrepresentation is identical to one made by Plinkett, who also has a bias against TLJ - but blamed in on his son Rian Johnson, and not "Lucas' original outline" which he thought had been COMPLETELY thrown out; contrary to Nerdonymous' implication lol. So yeah he's not perfect either, as it turns out - however for all I know, the percentage of this kinda stuff in his 3 videos is extremely low.
@OswinPond
@OswinPond 2 жыл бұрын
@@filiperoque1801 what channel?
@drigondii
@drigondii Жыл бұрын
I laughed when they said Luke was the ultimate rebel and then talked about George not understanding what was going on. One of the major points of Empire was that Luke was a cocky young man, like his father, who overestimated himself. Like Beru said in the previous movie, there's too much of his father in him, and like Owen said, that's the worry.
@sexobscura
@sexobscura Жыл бұрын
Yes. A flippant line said by Beru that was a rote thing to say (along with the reply) has taken on a deeper meaning since Lucas evolved the story. Despite ESB + ROTJ, I believe Star Wars was a stand alone film. The fans (which I am one) will probably vilify me for the truth, but Lucas even said it once (before the sequels began - and I AM NOT going to find it).
@drigondii
@drigondii Жыл бұрын
@sexobscura well of course it was. And then it wasn't. That's the nature of a retcon. Adding context to something that previously didn't have any adds meaning that previously wasn't there. But if it's done well, it can be like poetry, and it can all sort of rhyme and go together.
@sexobscura
@sexobscura Жыл бұрын
@@drigondii and you're correct. If only Lucas showed some humility in the playing out of his story, instead of claiming to be the All Conquering puppeteer
@drigondii
@drigondii Жыл бұрын
@@sexobscura that's artsy Hollywood directors for you. They all think they're God's gift to Earth.
@publichearing8536
@publichearing8536 20 күн бұрын
​@@sexobscurawhat exactly is that supposed to mean?
@gdroid2838
@gdroid2838 2 жыл бұрын
You’ve changed how I approach Star Wars and George Lucas. I’m glad I came across your videos.
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
Same as me my friend; although I always loved Lucas, Rick made me appreciate his art in a newfound and outright fulfilling way.
@Ruylopez778
@Ruylopez778 2 жыл бұрын
I also highly recommend the Paul Duncan interview on Star Wars Theory's channel, if you want more Paul Duncan content. The SWT Roger Christian interview is pretty good, too.
@luisbarajas5202
@luisbarajas5202 2 жыл бұрын
A defense of: -The changes made in the special edition. -The artistic integrity of not just George Lucas but every other artist that tinkers with their art. -The right of every artist to make changes to their work as they please. Along with a very fascinating and informative dive into the history of artists making changes to their art. Thank you Rick Worley for another amazing video. Can't believe I caught this one as it came out.
@Onezy05
@Onezy05 2 жыл бұрын
Based and artistic integrity pilled
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
Wow you've already finished it? Legend.
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole 2 жыл бұрын
Oh so if da Vinci woke up and decided to smear pink paint on the Mona Lisa you'd be OK with that simply because he was the one that made it? Yea didn't think so. I swear its like you people never think of these things.
@barkley8285
@barkley8285 2 жыл бұрын
Artists dint have a right at that point
@rabbitrun777
@rabbitrun777 2 жыл бұрын
the middle is disingenuous. he compares lucas to other directors who made various subsequent versions and cuts of their own films when this is beside the point. people aren’t mad at george for making new versions of star wars, they’re mad because he goes out of his way to make the non special editions inaccessible and has said he wants them to fade out of history. none of those other directors ever made their original cuts impossible to access officially and said they wanted the new cuts to be the only versions available. that’s why people are mad at george
@solchevalsky7216
@solchevalsky7216 2 жыл бұрын
As the famous adage goes, "Art is never completed, only abandoned. Except Star Wars. Star Wars was complete when I saw it as a child in the 80s." Jesting aside, this was another fantastic documentary. I learn more and more with each new entry. And not just about Star Wars, but all of film history. The part about preserving art and seeing all that has already been irrevocably lost actually weighed on me a bit. I would never have thought that I'd actually be saddened when watching a video largely about discussing film editing. Thank you, again, for all of the work you do! I look forward to whatever you make next!
@username45739
@username45739 2 жыл бұрын
Love thy neighbour as thyself, unless he's Turkish.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@username45739 Uhhhhhh.... what?
@markpostgate2551
@markpostgate2551 Жыл бұрын
@@username45739 Plato?
@username45739
@username45739 Жыл бұрын
@@markpostgate2551 Voltaire
@markpostgate2551
@markpostgate2551 Жыл бұрын
@aidelton5876 Oh come on, Voltaire's French. If it was Voltaire he would have said "Italian"!
@SamTheComicMan
@SamTheComicMan 2 жыл бұрын
Decided to rewatch part one today on a whim and here we are... my approval is immeasurable and my day is made, thanks.
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@SoUncivilized414
@SoUncivilized414 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work dude. Always appreciate how well you apply film and art history to these things. Glad this is a for-real series now.
@honor2323
@honor2323 2 жыл бұрын
No way I watch your vids too!
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
when he started showing clips of those dipshits talking about the Mona Lisa I was rubbing my hands together with glee lmao and boy did he sink that shot like a proton torpedo down an exposed exhaust port
@isaacmuthu4377
@isaacmuthu4377 2 жыл бұрын
I found this channel thanks to your post
@jacktrap8751
@jacktrap8751 2 жыл бұрын
You should also check out a great video about phantom menace on the channel style is substance.
@isaacmuthu4377
@isaacmuthu4377 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacktrap8751 thanks
@ChaChaFunk
@ChaChaFunk 8 ай бұрын
It's rare a video on KZbin genuinely changes my mind about something, but this was a really informative and well studied piece of analysis. I was a big fan of the "release the original cuts" argument (Although I wasn't a dick about it), but realising that such a thing does not exist, and that so many different versions of Star Wars DO is really eye opening So yeah, great documentary! If you were trying to sway opinions on this whole argument then I'd say you absolutely succeeded
@Butt-Head9
@Butt-Head9 7 ай бұрын
look up "Harmy's Star Wars de-specialized edition" its a fan made film preservation of the original theatrical releases. (happy May the 4th) kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3jViYJoh6mtgsksi=7CBxzeAGwKXpJ7xV
@neanderthalknight9417
@neanderthalknight9417 6 ай бұрын
It does exist, he's just being obtuse
@MetalJesus157
@MetalJesus157 Жыл бұрын
This is probably the only Star Wars analysis video I've seen on KZbin that actually changed my mind about the series. I went in as a "release the theatrical cuts" guy and came out completely different. Keep up the great work!
@spencerconway5468
@spencerconway5468 Жыл бұрын
The theatrical cuts were released in 2006 as a bonus disc alongside the 2004 cut. The only problem is that they look small on widescreen TVs and are better to be played on old 4:3 TVs (for those that still have one).
@Truthseeker4815
@Truthseeker4815 Жыл бұрын
I'm right there with you man.
@alessiospurio
@alessiospurio Жыл бұрын
Sorry for the long comment, but I want to make clear my point as much as possible. I still think the theatrical cuts matters and they should release them in an official dvd/blu-ray. 2006 dvds are hard to get nowadays, and many vhs copies just won't work in a few years. This question is not about nostalgia, is about preserving the movies how they were originally, how people saw them at the cinemas. It's good there are unofficial remastered versions of the theatricals, but whatever the good they are, they're still unofficials, illegals. Can you imagine if it would be illegal to access at the original version of a well known painting, or it would be illegal to access at the original version of a book wich has been modified trough the time? The fact that getting the original version of a movie is illegal, is as bad as would be bad that. I really don't want the movies become lost media with time, and I say that as 2000's kid who grow up with the remastered versions
@GhostRider-on6bz
@GhostRider-on6bz Жыл бұрын
Just out of interest, does that mean there is nothing now that you don't like about the revisions? For me, the sound and visual enhancements were amazing, but the big obvious CGI additions (mostly creatures) are the only thing I really object to. They've aged worse than any of the practical stuff and in far less time. I think it's fair to say that it was an almost perfect attempt at upscaling the original releases, but George went too far in just a few places. Of course mine is a centrist, balanced opinion that is uninteresting on internet forums.
@GhostRider-on6bz
@GhostRider-on6bz Жыл бұрын
@@alessiospurio They do, I agree. It was those that lit the fire and won the awards. The original Star Wars doesn't look bad, it just looks like an effects film that came out in 1977, go figure. Have the special editions by all means, but allow the originals their place too. Never hurt Blade Runner.
@VinVonVoom
@VinVonVoom 2 жыл бұрын
I'm only half-way through this video and its already the most detailed and comprehensive summary of the Special Editions, subsequent changes made to these movies and artistic revisionism out there.
@VinVonVoom
@VinVonVoom 2 жыл бұрын
"revisionism" is often a negative buzzword when Star Wars is involved but I assure you I don't mean it that way.
@username45739
@username45739 2 жыл бұрын
Well ot com as well
@orlandofurioso7329
@orlandofurioso7329 2 жыл бұрын
@@VinVonVoom Revisionism is bad when applied to dead authors or history though, i think it must be contextualized on a case to case basis.
@histguy101
@histguy101 9 ай бұрын
​@@orlandofurioso7329Revisionism is the study of history in an attempt to revise the historical record of something that has been presented falsely
@ericheckenkamp6091
@ericheckenkamp6091 Жыл бұрын
There was a scene in TPM, on Tattooine, where Padme (in disguise) says "I'm trained in defensive combat." I saw it in the theater a few times. Then before it left the theater there was a new version of the film where she didn't say it. I argued with my friends until I wanted to explode. I doubted my own sanity. Then I bought the D20 RPG and the quote was in there, next to her picture!! I never felt so vindicated.
@TrueLunacy
@TrueLunacy 5 ай бұрын
Really?
@Rezzanine
@Rezzanine Ай бұрын
@@ericheckenkamp6091 I'm pretty sure it was in the novelisation. I've never heard of it being included in the film itself. Interesting.
@darinstaley1993
@darinstaley1993 29 күн бұрын
She said something similar in the video game of The Phantom Menace
@luisbarajas5202
@luisbarajas5202 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if leaving this many comments makes me weird but I just wanted to say thank you because your star wars videos really revitalized my love for George Lucas and the prequels. I went from loving them to being convinced that they were bad and so I only liked them ironically, and back to loving and appreciating them again.
@BlackScreenProductions125
@BlackScreenProductions125 2 жыл бұрын
Only as weird as any other individual. And, hey, your weirdness is boosting this video in the algorithm, so there's something to think about.
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Not weird. Thanks for the comments.
@firestriker3580
@firestriker3580 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlackScreenProductions125 no
@BlackScreenProductions125
@BlackScreenProductions125 2 жыл бұрын
@@firestriker3580 fym?
@myujokt733
@myujokt733 2 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't have tried to fit in with others because most people are shit, and only think what they say and believe are the only truth.
@SunsetBlvd515
@SunsetBlvd515 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! I just recently showed a friend your Part 1, So Uncivilized & Style is Substance videos and he loved them. We’re watching them them in a theater we have access to, it’s a blast to watch quality video essays like these on a big screen. Wish more people could watch them in that manner. Thanks for your work & contribution to the discourse. Look forward to diving in.
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JamesSmith-bg6dk
@JamesSmith-bg6dk 2 жыл бұрын
I'd also highly recommend the videos of Nerdonymous.
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesSmith-bg6dk Nerdonymous is also awesome. I wonder where he is nowadays, though.
@LinkinMark1994
@LinkinMark1994 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wackaz his videos *are* awesome, though *that* video is a little harder to recommend due to the large amount of defecation and diarrhea jokes (especially if you’ve never seen Ace Ventura, like me)
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkinMark1994 "The truth is, Lucas didn't know what the hell he was doing when filming Star Wars, and so wasted the entire budget filming lots of animals pooping. Luckily, he had an ingenious editing team. Now, if an editor is particularly skilled, they can make any image how they want it. They simply turned animals pooping into the iconic film we have today"
@averagejoe225
@averagejoe225 Жыл бұрын
29:54 Great video and I'm very excited for the third installment, but I wanted to point out something; James Earl Jones specifically asked for his name to be left out of the film because he considered himself to be "special effects" and not legitimately tied to the performance of the character. In an interview he references how Mercedes McCambridge was typecast after her voice work in The Exorcist, and he didn't want that to happen to him as an up-&-coming actor. However, by Return of the Jedi he decided he had become associated with the role enough and the cultural impact was so significant that he was alright with being credited.
@probablysean
@probablysean 5 ай бұрын
I still can't get over how great this video is. This and part 1 are seriously the greatest film analysis I've ever seen. The level of detail and sense of history here, mixed with the effort of actually editing this altogether, is unmatched.
@robbieward765
@robbieward765 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man… good timing. I’m watching all 6 in a row this week- for the first time in years! Attack of the Clones is tonight. I prepped by rewatching your previous video, and it really allowed me to reclaim the love I had for these movies. Thanks for all the hard work
@LiveHedgehog
@LiveHedgehog 2 жыл бұрын
You're watching in episode order, right?
@robbieward765
@robbieward765 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiveHedgehog yep! 1-6. My wife and I are watching one a night. It’s seriously about time for people to take a fresh, unfettered look at what George wanted to accomplish with these films… without all of the snarky baggage
@LiveHedgehog
@LiveHedgehog 2 жыл бұрын
@@robbieward765 Yeah, I completely agree. Plus he titled them 1-6 for a reason!
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
Attack of the Clones is one of the most underrated movies of all time the last 45 minutes is pure Star Wars and it *just. keeps. escalating.* what a fucking movie
@robbieward765
@robbieward765 2 жыл бұрын
@@pikarari I couldn’t help but compare what the AOTC was offering up in comparison to anything to be found in the sequels (i.e. more storm troopers, more x-wings, more tie fighters) and was just gobsmacked. It may be the clunkiest of the 6 films in my opinion, but for god’s sake: A neon-soaked car chase, obi-wan on a noir-ish detective adventure, an old fashioned, sweeping, melodramatic courtship, a “The Searchers” style vengeance quest, political intrigue, a Ray Harryhausen execution arena, Yoda fighting CHRISTOPHER LEE. And more…. George Lucas has more creativity in his toenail clippings than J.J. could ever dream of.
@ReaperStarcraft
@ReaperStarcraft 2 жыл бұрын
I can see why this took 3 years! This is a really impressive compilation of version histories in addition to the intellectual arguments. At some points in the video I was reminded of how the invention of high fidelity recording materials started to "reify" certain performance arts. For instance, there's now a definitive studio recording of many pieces of music that seem like "the real thing," and all the other performances are derivatives of it somehow when just 300 years ago literally all music was only ever a live performance and no two were the same. Your list of examples of media that - in spite of being recorded in their own form of high fidelity - resisted reification was extremely interesting. I didn't often think about the kinds of changes between editions of a book in that way, or in different drafts of paintings, before I watched this video. In terms of music something I'd read before went along the lines of "there is such a thing as Mozart's G minor quintet; it's not the sheet music, nor any one live performance; there's room for interpretation, but it can't be just anything you want or it stops being Mozart's G minor quintet." Between ideas like that and this video I'm thinking about Star Wars more like a performance again and less like a particular artifact. There's many versions of it, and it's not any one particular version. Do I like some of the older versions of Star Wars? Yeah! But my opinion will change over time the same way anything changes over time, including the movies themselves. There are versions of Star Wars that I particularly like, but the fact is my ideal version - like so many other people's - would probably at this point be a grotesque mashup of aspects from many different versions that actually existed while being identical to none of them. I'm super impressed by Mike Verta's "Project 4K77" version of original Star Wars prints and I'd love to see it some day out of curiosity. But it's not "the true version of Star Wars" because there is no such thing. Aristotle supposed a perfect painting would be one to which nothing could any longer be added or taken away without making it worse, but no such painting really exists. It's an aspirational standard only. So it's like the man said: art is never finished, only abandoned.
@DarkInception
@DarkInception Жыл бұрын
I’ve been binging your video essays for the past few days. I feel like this is one of those rare KZbin moments where you discover an absolute gem of channel. Your videos are so incredibly well thought out and researched. I’m blown away by each one of them. But I find this 2 part series to have been my favorite so far. Just hours of analysis and commentary. This is what I live for.
@cheerleadersonsafari
@cheerleadersonsafari 2 жыл бұрын
Beyond the strawman, it's funny how Mike tries to shit on Lucas for talking about Star Wars in a simplistic way, because that's one of the things I like about Lucas. He's direct and transparent, and so were all the BTS docs of his era. But I guess RLM would rather listen to one of the Disney heads talk in corporate speak
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
They describe him as having the 'mind of a child', which I find fitting as he made films for children. Fans: "Ok George. It's called a LIGHTSABER. Say lightsaber". Lucas: "Ligh-ligh..." Fans:"Yes..." Lucas: "L-l-... LASER SWORD!" Fans: *demonic screeching*
@tomnorton4277
@tomnorton4277 2 жыл бұрын
Retards overcomplicate things that are incredibly simple to try and trick people into thinking they're not retards. George Lucas is a genius - I wouldn't be surprised if he's the most intelligent person in the entire film industry, aside from maybe James Woods - and he gets straight to the point because he knows what he's talking about.
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
Mike Stoklasa is a failed filmmaker and nothing more
@Youarefatiamhandsome
@Youarefatiamhandsome 2 жыл бұрын
@@pikarari filtered
@Tareltonlives
@Tareltonlives 2 жыл бұрын
RLM is stupid, dishonest, or both
@mrspookie5377
@mrspookie5377 Жыл бұрын
Rick. Im not sure if you’ll get to read this message, but I have to say this is an absolutely epic breakdown of an iconic movie. You have my utter respect for your work here. This documentation will go down in or as part of Star Wars history. Good work here. Respect is due and noted.
@creategreatness8823
@creategreatness8823 2 жыл бұрын
This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of the under-appreciation of the Prequels, and will soon see the end of the dismissal of the Special Editions.
@FriendlyDarkwraith
@FriendlyDarkwraith 2 жыл бұрын
Once more George Lucas will rule the franchise, and we shall have... peace.
@josiahcmiller
@josiahcmiller 2 жыл бұрын
I like the 97 release. 2004 is good. After that, I’ll take Empire’s changes.
@username45739
@username45739 2 жыл бұрын
Cool levelheads have always been aware of the good parts from the SEs, which weren't their totality.
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 Жыл бұрын
​@@username45739 but there are also some really bad changes The jabba scene, luke screaming while falling on bespin and the vader nooooooo
@namleki
@namleki Жыл бұрын
This is one of the greatest commentaries on the changes made to the movies that I've seen. I remember being so excited about the special editions back in 97 because a lot of the things that bothered me apparently bothered Lucas as well and i was happy to see him fix that stuff. I was confused when the backlash started, because i thought most of the changes were great. Then the backlash intensified when the prequels came out and turned into Lucas-bashing. Lucas didn't deserve the way he was treated, all because his intentions were misunderstood. And then the misunderstandings were amplified by "critics" that just echoed each other. Thank you for making this.
@cowboys8897
@cowboys8897 9 ай бұрын
I agree. A lot of George Lucas's intentions in his movies are highly misunderstood and wrongly criticized. I mean, they act like it's such a big deal to go back and make changes to his work. It's nothing new, things like this are done all the time to movies🤷.
@HabitualJoker
@HabitualJoker 6 ай бұрын
Lucas DID and still does deserve the backlash because he is 100% responsible for the Special Editions and the Prequels. People are allowed to speak up if they don’t like something.
@CT-316
@CT-316 5 ай бұрын
​@@HabitualJokerno one said you're not allowed to speak up if you dislike something. But WE are also allowed to call out said people for having stupid opinions. Fair game.
@CTFC-GERMANY
@CTFC-GERMANY 8 ай бұрын
this is undoubtly one of the best YT content i ever saw. Thank you very much for this eye-opening experience! It completly changed my mind about the whole SE-Stuff. You are a really AWESOME GUY!!!!!!
@SuperJumper40
@SuperJumper40 2 жыл бұрын
2:49:05 This Special Edition curiosity cleared up the other day. The Star Wars podcast "Blast Points" spoke with Matthew Wood, who was involved with the 2004 Special Editions. Here's what he says: "Ben Burtt put that in in 1997. George didn't remember agreeing with it when I put it in front of him in 2004, which was a much more thorough remastering than '97. So we took it out, thankfully."
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Someone pointed this interview out to me before I finished the video, and I tend to believe it's true. But as it comes from Matt Wood and not directly from Lucas, and either way in the end the point is that Lucas decided to not have the scream in the movie, it doesn't really change what I had to say about it, and since the video was already so long, I decided against spending more time talking about this change.
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
Matthew Wood! A bit shorter than I expected...
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 2 жыл бұрын
Rick! You are so underrated! You put so much effort into making these videos and you deserve more subs and likes than Chris Stuckmann, Cosmonaut and Red Letter Media.
@slr4456
@slr4456 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly KZbin doesn't reward quality :/ But we can all hope one day it'll do and channels like this one will start getting the attention they deserve.
@greedyclown851
@greedyclown851 2 жыл бұрын
And I'm gonna give you up
@redshift912
@redshift912 Жыл бұрын
Red letters rereview series is pretty great . They had to do somethng positive at some point , they wouldn’t have lasted hating on every single thing
@TokyoXtreme
@TokyoXtreme Жыл бұрын
Red Letter Media does a ton of great work, and have become an influential force in Hollywood. Rich Evans is absolutely more relevant than Ellen Degeneres, and perhaps now even Julia Roberts.
@lynninpain
@lynninpain Жыл бұрын
What is it with Ricks?
@Jpaulished
@Jpaulished Жыл бұрын
Thank you man! George is one of my hero's and it's amazing to learn so much more about his thought process
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
Something very telling about the control Lucas had over these movies is a quote from the director of Jedi, Richard Marquand. He stated that trying to direct Jedi was like 'trying to direct King Lear with Shakespeare in the next room'
@Tareltonlives
@Tareltonlives 2 жыл бұрын
Which really undermines the anti Lucas argument that the original films were "Saved" from him
@greenstuff3706
@greenstuff3706 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t tell if that analogy is a statement of fear or respect, or both.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@greenstuff3706 I'd say it was an admission of authority
@greenstuff3706
@greenstuff3706 2 жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 That’s accurate too. I said “fear or respect” since one would obviously respect a great artist if they you were helping to helm one of their greatest projects, but at the same time, you’d likely be nervous about not living up to their standards.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@greenstuff3706 I suppose in that case it may have both been fear and respect
@philipcoghill4648
@philipcoghill4648 2 жыл бұрын
While I am a bit of a purist who would generally prefer to watch a movie in as close to the version (or versions in the case of A New Hope) that was originally released in cinemas as possible, I 100% agree that Star Wars are fundamentally still the same movies regardless of the edit. If watch A New Hope, I'll still enjoy it whether it has Greedo shooting or CGI Jabba in it or not.
@firestriker3580
@firestriker3580 2 жыл бұрын
Purists should be purged. And most prefer watching movies is that are improved and have new effects
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
I find myself saying "Han, mi buki," *all* the time lmao it's a good scene haters get fucked lol
@buek14
@buek14 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Watching his vid made me see why Lucas added a yelling Vader in RotJ. However that's still my least favourite change in the entire saga. I mean now I can understand Lucas but that scene in particular was so telling by Vader's gesticulations and the music themselves, it didn't *need* him screaming *no*. Of course one could still argue whether or not those other scenes needed it in the franchise but you get my point. Nonetheless, I can still approve and respect all the other changes. Maybe except for Greedo shooting first since it undermines Han being a smuggler who lives from one day to the next and is rather a grey character than a typical hero. Plus, it makes Greedo a shitty bounty hunter who can't even aim from the other side of the table.
@seanshamblin1131
@seanshamblin1131 2 жыл бұрын
How about Return of the Jedi with "Jedi Rocks"?
@philipcoghill4648
@philipcoghill4648 2 жыл бұрын
@@seanshamblin1131 Okay, maybe I enjoy that a little less
@lukeskywunner8612
@lukeskywunner8612 2 жыл бұрын
All of this makes it so sad that George Lucas sold his baby to Disney. Incredible work on this video. Gives me even more respect for Lucas and his incredible vision.
@leedwyer161
@leedwyer161 Жыл бұрын
Come on, he gave ESB to Kurtz becaue he was sure iit would be a flop. He got greedy and sold it off to the highest bidder
@Curlyheart
@Curlyheart Жыл бұрын
Out of context that sounds wrong.
@arthurhall8238
@arthurhall8238 Жыл бұрын
No...the prequels were sad!
@fiddlesticks7245
@fiddlesticks7245 Жыл бұрын
@@arthurhall8238 Grandpa if you keep running your mouth I'm turning off your oxygen machine
@lukeskywunner8612
@lukeskywunner8612 Жыл бұрын
​@Arthur Hall, they were sad. It's always tragic when the hero becomes the villain. Revenge of the Sith is definitely the saddest of them for that reason. Fortunately, the story doesn't end there, and ultimately, the saga has a happy ending for Anakin Skywalker in Return of the Jedi. 😊
@mathewbouse1105
@mathewbouse1105 2 жыл бұрын
3 HOURS??? Going to be an absolute banger, and the special editions have always been a lot harder for me to defend than the prequels. Very excited to watch this.
@memyselfishness
@memyselfishness 2 жыл бұрын
Almost 4 lol
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
It was almost seven before I buckled down and started cutting back. Haha. There's a lot to talk about.
@st_orlie
@st_orlie 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 by not releasing the seven hour cut you are doing an injustice to art culture and preservation.
@raaaaaaaaaam496
@raaaaaaaaaam496 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 #ReleaseTheWorleyCut
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole 2 жыл бұрын
Will you release a condensed special edition directors cut? Preferably under 15 minutes.. I feel most won't have time or attention spans to properly watch from start to fin.
@JamesSmith-bg6dk
@JamesSmith-bg6dk 2 жыл бұрын
I can wholeheartedly say that this was completely worth the wait.
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ANT96-x8d
@ANT96-x8d Жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 “George Lucas may be the brainchild behind Star Wars; he may have come up with the story and a lot of the characters, but everyone who participated in making those films had some type of creative input. I mean they won an Oscar for best special effects. Some of those effects are stripped out and replaced with CGI enhancements, if you wanna call them that. I think that that's really disrespectful to the people who worked on those models and did those shots.”-Jay Sylvester, The People VS George Lucas
@occam7382
@occam7382 Жыл бұрын
@@ANT96-x8d, nice job using a dumbass quote that Rick literally addresses in the very video you're commenting on. Which says one of two things: One, you didn't watch the video in full (in which case, you're just being lazy), or two, you did watch it in full, and watched Rick address it, and you're just throwing it in his face because... reasons (in which case, you're acting like a total dumbass).
@anomalyinc3239
@anomalyinc3239 7 ай бұрын
@@ANT96-x8d you better be mocking that quote lmao
@ANT96-x8d
@ANT96-x8d 7 ай бұрын
@@anomalyinc3239 It’s what he said
@thefirmamentalist9922
@thefirmamentalist9922 2 жыл бұрын
Special Edition generation here! I got to see A New Hope in theatres then have the VHS box set building up to the prequels. It was the best time to be a kid.
@NeedlessNick
@NeedlessNick 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, you genuinely unhooked every one of the ideas I thought I KNEW for myself that made the special editions really egregious to me. Honestly still watching, about 3/4 of the way, but had to give praise for the sheer amount of effort and attention to detail this video has
@JXZX1
@JXZX1 2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful surprise! Remarkably good timing too: I’ve been rewatching your stuff and remembering why I love Star Wars and Lucas’s art to begin with.
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY me! I'm so glad I discovered Rick when returning to the Saga and its creator that I know and love :)
@fundhund62
@fundhund62 2 жыл бұрын
Amidst all that Disney Star Wars nonsense, watching three hours of unabashed appreciation of George Lucas and his filmmaking is simply therapeutic.
@servus_incognitus
@servus_incognitus 2 жыл бұрын
Cathartic even!
@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184
@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this was a great brainwashing session. I wondered how Mao did in China NOW I KNOW LMAO
@Justusson
@Justusson 2 жыл бұрын
Biased appreciation, I’d say. He’s as flawed as people are opposing these changes from a personal level on their other part,.. If you can’t be critical to things when there are situations that do arise, possibilities for it - then there’s no need to put anything forward out there. Then it’s just another opinion spread, that doesn’t ground itself in anything unbiased - but simply is to your personal taste. And, that’s fine. We all have one! But talking about it on a level that makes it all sound elevated and unbiased is completely ludicrous then. There’s nothing honest about it. Simply call it a love letter to sir Lucas. That’s it,..
@servus_incognitus
@servus_incognitus 2 жыл бұрын
@@Justusson the argument is simple: an artist has the absolute right to do whatever he wants with his work and it had been this way since the dawn of time. For all your mighty talk you haven't made one proper argument against that and as such I conclude that you didn't even understand that that was the point being made in the first place.
@Justusson
@Justusson 2 жыл бұрын
@@servus_incognitus “Absolute right” and “Mighty talk”? You’re definitely American, no? Regardless, that’s clueless,.. The argument is simple and always has been: The moment you hand your work over to the public, it becomes “theirs”. One of the first things I learned in art school. It always has - throughout The Sistine Chapel, Mona Lisa and what not. It’s only until recently that media has become streamed and digital. All other directors and companies are rescanning their old movies in 4K without changes: the Goonies, labyrinth, ghostbusters, Lord of the ring. George Lucas is the only one who doesn’t. Peter Jackson even made a slight joke about it. Absolute right?,.. jeeez, grow up.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
George Lucas: "I'm putting my preferred, revised, authorial versions of the film upfront as that's the version I want displayed. However, you can still get the originals on dvd, laserdisc, and VHS. It's not like I'm systematically destroying them". Stanley Kubrick: "Haha original version go whoosh in flames"
@tomnorton4277
@tomnorton4277 2 жыл бұрын
Kubrick was an awesome arsehole.
@MrShakespearefan
@MrShakespearefan 2 жыл бұрын
The DVDs he released weren’t good quality from what I’ve heard. He’s not systematically destroying them but he’s made it difficult to see them in the best quality.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrShakespearefan Because old versions are eventually outgrown by new versions. The same will happen to the 97, 2004, 2011, and maybe even the 2019 versions at some point in the future. The original copy of the Hobbit (to my knowledge) has not made it to the 21st century. The same will happen with 'dated' versions of Star Wars
@skywalkerorder2170
@skywalkerorder2170 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrShakespearefan If fans cared about seeing the Orignal Trilogy in its more or less original form, then they shouldn't care that the quality isn't as good as the Special Editions, because it wouldn't be the original versions anymore if they updated the quality of everything in the film, but just took out the CGI and other additions.
@Justusson
@Justusson 2 жыл бұрын
@@skywalkerorder2170 Yes,.. let’s all watch the original movies on our VHS-players and CRT screens 👏 👏 👏 People don’t even have these mediums anymore. And not wanting to see it on its best quality? - I guess that is why classics like the Goonies, E.T., Labyrinth, Westerns, Lord of the Rings and what not all are being restored for UHD today - along with every single movie already been updated from VHS, to DVD, to blu-ray so far,.. So why are you opposing an update for those of us who want to see our favourite movie on a good medium too? You’re not that narcissistic that you think all is fine just because your needs have been met, are you,..?
@Remix36720
@Remix36720 2 жыл бұрын
Great video - especially the point about George Lucas having basically already won. As someone who is in their mid-20s I think I only ever saw the original versions of 4/5 on VHS once when I was like 5 and we rented them from Blockbuster. After that I’ve only ever seen the DVD (and later) versions of those movies and have never once seen the original version of VI to my knowledge. So the DVD versions really are my Star Wars. It would be interesting to see the original theatrical cuts released for a historical curiosity but after one or two watches I’d probably go right back to watching the ‘special edition’ versions lol.
@Replica_Films2000
@Replica_Films2000 2 жыл бұрын
yep us early 20s dudes have allready arrived and are walking proofs off his inevitable victory......and there will only be more! by the time were all old you will see everyone will love these movies!
@fgdj2000
@fgdj2000 2 жыл бұрын
I always watch the most recent version. I‘ve kept my previous copies as a collector‘s curiosity and I pop in the Despecialized Editions every once in a while as basically the „Urfaust“ (Early Faust, it’s actually and early unfinished version of Goethe‘s Faust that‘s published as a curiosity) of the Star Wars universe… analogous to J. W. Rinzler‘s graphic novel adaptation of the rough draft script „The Star Wars“.
@GentleHeretic
@GentleHeretic 2 жыл бұрын
Had access to the CBS Video, 1997, and 2004 versions simultaneously as a kid. After trying really hard to be a hipster as a teen and insisting on just watching the CBS version for a while, I realized I ultimately wanted to watch Star Wars and did not give much of a damn about comparatively minute differences. Luke still blows up the Death Star, AT-ATs are still tripped up, and Ewoks still eat Stormtroopers. Maybe George got a different guitar, but the song remains the same.
@orlandofurioso7329
@orlandofurioso7329 2 жыл бұрын
I dumped the OG versions of the OT from the 2006 laserdisc, love both versions, though adding Hayden to episode VI really makes me prefer the special edition.
@seanshamblin1131
@seanshamblin1131 Жыл бұрын
I know this is an old comment, but I'm curious as to whether or not you always noticed the added CGI stuff in places like Mos Eisley and Jabba's palace?
@rhettgedies7467
@rhettgedies7467 Жыл бұрын
Even as an ex-Star Wars fan, this almost 4-hour deep dive and breakdown of the edits, restorations, and touch-ups of the Star Wars Saga as a whole was totally worth the watch for anyone who simply loves the art & construction of cinema!
@publichearing8536
@publichearing8536 20 күн бұрын
die you at least get partial custody of the bonus features?
@alfredvickers4054
@alfredvickers4054 2 жыл бұрын
"Does he have the mind of a child?" Says the same Mike from Red Letter Media who doesn't understand Star Wars on even a basic level. I heard part of a movie commentary RLM did of RotJ where he said the only reason Vader didn't kill Luke in Empire was because he jumped, as if Vader wasn't toying with him and trying to turn him to the Dark Side instead of outright killing him. Not to mention, the very next movie has Luke acknowledge to Vader's face that he couldn't bring himself to kill Luke, bolstering Luke's conviction that Vader can be redeemed. And in the old Prequel reviews, I think Mike complained about prequel Jedi wearing robes like Obi-Wan wore in the desert, ignoring the reality of monk robes and that Yoda wore similar clothing in a swamp, and that redeemed Anakin's ghost had such a robe too. And I definitely remember he complained about Yoda having a lightsaber despite the OT establishing the lightsaber as the weapon of a Jedi Knight and that making one meant a Jedi's skills were complete. So the OT already implied that such robes were normal Jedi garb and that Yoda once had his own lightsaber, but HOW DARE THE PREQUELS DEPICT THIS!!!11!!1 Apparently he thinks his head-canon based on vague memories of the films counts more than what was always actually on screen in every version of them! Even a child has a better grasp of what's going on in the movies than Mike. Maybe he should stop drinking so much. If RLM never expressed their nonsense opinions about Star Wars again, I would be happy. To think they have been considered the gold standard in online Star Wars criticism...
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. RLM really tried to make the prequels look as bad as possible. Like seriously who cares about robes? I wouldn't have been surprised if they tried to make an argument that John Williams score in the prequels was somehow bad.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@Foobie07 "Battle of the Heroes was too fast" 😂
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK How do you know he always wore that outfit while on Tatooine?
@alfredvickers4054
@alfredvickers4054 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK He didn't change because the symbolic robes now had a practical use, and he didn't need to change, because on Tatooine everyone is dressed like that (like desert dwellers in real life), so he wouldn't automatically stand out as a Jedi as long as he didn't wave his lightsaber around in public. Not really a problem.
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
@@alfredvickers4054 Great point.
@lightningmonky7674
@lightningmonky7674 Жыл бұрын
It's so refreshing to hear someone who knows what he's talking about expound upon George Lucas and his vision, this is the content I've been looking for
@neanderthalknight9417
@neanderthalknight9417 6 ай бұрын
what are you talking about. This was 3 hours of what-about-isms
@CT-316
@CT-316 5 ай бұрын
​@@neanderthalknight9417cry
@Rezzanine
@Rezzanine Ай бұрын
​@@neanderthalknight9417 Putting things into a wider context and exposing double standards = whataboutism. Got it.
@servus_incognitus
@servus_incognitus 2 жыл бұрын
It's hilarious how Peter Jackson got so defensive and careful when talking about his special editions.
@millabasset1710
@millabasset1710 2 жыл бұрын
Most of it just seems like bad color correction, but I'm not gonna throw a fit over it like special edition haters.
@Сайтамен
@Сайтамен 2 жыл бұрын
Which one is the standart version of LOTR? Cause I don't remember blue font...
@ChrisPeteG
@ChrisPeteG 2 жыл бұрын
It really is. It feels like a word game that has to be played. If the SEs had been branded as the "Director's Cut" they may have a whole different psychology around them. Heck, it has become a fan meme to demand the "Lucas Cut" of the Disney Trilogy. Terminator 2 and Titanic both had "tweaks" when given 3D remasters. Mostly just to fix goofs and mistakes. As we have seen, between the color grading and minor vfx tweaks...the 4K LOTR are in many ways a whole new version of the films even if editorially they are the same. Worth mentioning that LOTR has basically always existed in 2 versions on film and most fans outright dismiss the theatrical cuts over the Extended Editions....even though the theatrical cuts are "what we saw in theaters" and "the versions that won Oscars" and every other superficial thing they used against the Special Editions.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisPeteG Great point when comparing the extended editions of TLOTR to the Star Wars revisions! I still need to see the extended editions. I don't care if my bladder is going to burst even harder by the end of ROTK- I NEED DA TOLKIEN!
@brucewayne1662
@brucewayne1662 2 жыл бұрын
@@Сайтамен I believe the blue tint first appeared with the blu ray release
@cheerleadersonsafari
@cheerleadersonsafari Жыл бұрын
I saw the latest version of ROTJ on the big screen the other day and noticed how the new scan really let all the effect work, practical and digital blend together. I didn't notice the inherent "fakeness" of Sy Snootles anymore than I noticed the obviously puppety movements of the Rancor. All comes down to if you're willing to suspend your disbelief
@REDDAWNproject
@REDDAWNproject 6 ай бұрын
Watching rotj in theatres last year made me not even notice half the changes.
@drifter402
@drifter402 Ай бұрын
Some people really hate CGI. Including myself honestly
@Corn_Pone_Flicks
@Corn_Pone_Flicks 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm glad you did this, because now I don't have to. I rarely watch videos this long (this is probably the longest one I've ever sat through,) but it was so comprehensive it was worth it. I was literally about to type a comment about Manhunter when the poster for it appeared on the screen, so when it occurred to me to mention The Hobbit, I decided to wait and see if you went there first. The only thing I thought to mention you didn't cover was the change between the mono and stereo mixes where Luke says "Blast it Wedge, where are you?" instead of the more familiar "Biggs." I'll admit that not every change made to the films over the years is to my preference (the constant revising of something so simple as Greedo getting shot almost makes it feel like he's messing with his critics at this point,) but most of them are to the betterment of the films, and ultimately, they're his films and his decisions to make. I love Star Wars, but it's not mine because of that...I don't much care for fans of things I like...they usually make me feel embarrassed about liking those things. Lucas inspired me to become a director, and I've frequently gone back and redone or touched up my own projects over the years, and my own much smaller audience has similarly complained that I should change them back. It's not happening. Lucas will always have my respect.
@lancebaylis3169
@lancebaylis3169 Жыл бұрын
This is the most extensive exploration of all the changes over the years (and why those changes were necessary) that I have ever seen. Thank you for making this!
@Optimegatrongodzilla
@Optimegatrongodzilla Жыл бұрын
@lancebaylis3169 Making it so that both Greedo and Han shoot at each other in 'Star Wars - Episode 4: A New Hope', adding Jabba to 'Star Wars - Episode 4: A New Hope', and switching out the band scene in 'Star Wars - Episode 6: Return of The Jedi' with an alternate, inferior version weren't necessary. But, yes, a lot of what was done was good.
@corbinmarkey466
@corbinmarkey466 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I've said it elsewhere, but your SW videos have been the most interesting, eye opening ones on the topic that I've seen in years. Just when I thought I was done being interested in Star Wars, I got tractor beamed right back in. Amazing work, Rick. Looking forward to more.
@Commander_Solo
@Commander_Solo 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a Star Wars fan since 1977 (my dad took me to the premier in 77 when I was 9) - I was hooked, I have been a prolific fan of Star Wars my entire life, to the point it inspired me as a kid and into my career. I worked in Digital Imaging from the mid 80's (early stuff obviously) and moved into computer science for the next 30 years - all inspired by the amazing stuff I saw in Star Wars (and as a kid the making of Star Wars). I'm also a Star Wars collector since the start. So yeah I am a big fan - and this video is absolutely spot on, brilliant work. Fans like me absolutely love seeing the evolution and changes - they have NEVER bothered me in the slightest - like I say, I am a HUGE SW fan, and the changes are excellent - Lucas has done a perfect job, no complaints here. And again, great video...
@ordinator2008
@ordinator2008 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! I really want to send a few counterpoints, and argue it out, but I just continue to be impressed with your craftsmanship and your work! Now is not time for argument, just praise! Very well done!
@jedibrent83
@jedibrent83 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Rick, well done! You addressed pretty much everything that has been said by critics OVER and OVER the last 25 years now. I was born in May 1983, so Star Wars was pretty much over during my childhood. I remember seeing bits and pieces of the movies on TV as a kid and I understood some pop culture references about it and my school library still had a "Yoda Reads" poster, but that was it until the 1997 Special Edition release. Seeing ANH theatrically is what made me a fan. I quickly bought the 1995 VHS box set and then later got the VHS set of the SE. I think the success of the SE aren't given enough credit for introducing a lot of people my age and younger to Star Wars and also getting them hyped for the prequels.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your first exposure! I wish that Disney had continued Lucas's plans to show off the original 6 films in 3d in the 2010's, as it would have introduced another generation to SW, this time with the complete saga. It's funny, I remember using the wayback machine to look over old forums from the late 90's and it was interesting to read about people who had been first introduced to Star Wars via the Special Editions or the prequels. I remember coming across one guy , in the leadup to ROTS, who had no idea that Anakin became Vader by the end of the prequels, and so thought Anakin would be the mentor figure for Luke in the originals. Oh, my sweet summer child..
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@Darth Doofus I read somewhere that AOTC and ROTS were both planned for a 2013 release. So I'd presume that ANH would release in 2014, and Empire and Jedi would be released in 2015. The last two parts of the trilogy, being more connected, are released back to back. If you consider the fact that Clone Wars would have had 8 seasons in its total run, the show would end in 2015 too. Based on the fact that Lucas had begun work on the sequels in 2012 (it would take ten years until 2022 to complete the trilogy, like with the prequels from 1995 to 2005), you could presume the releases of the sequels to be: -Episode VII in 2016 -Episode VIII in 2019 -Episode IX in 2022 The 3d releases and the end of Clone Wars in 2015 would set up a new generation just in time for the sequels, like the SE's did for the prequels. Though, I wonder if Lucas still planned for Underworld to go ahead. And with all this talk of alterations and re-releases, I wonder if Lucas would have made further alterations to the original 6 films to allow for more consistency with the sequels?
@jedibrent83
@jedibrent83 2 жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 I wish they did too. I see a lot of younger fans on social media complaining about the OT, specifically ANH, being slow in parts. I don’t think they would feel that way if they saw them on the big screen. I already knew that Vader was Luke’s father. That was one of those pieces of pop culture knowledge that was hard to avoid, either in parody by something else or just referenced. It’s funny, my younger brother was 6 when we saw ANH SE and he had no idea it was a 20 year old movie at the time. He thought it was new because he had seen toy commercials for it on afternoon TV. So when we came out of ANH at the theater, he was already saying “i bet in the next one Darth Vader comes back since he flew away after the Death Star blew up” lol Like I said in my original post, soon after I bought the 1995 box set because I remember all the retail stores at the time had it on sale, trying to cash in on how popular the SE release was. I went to the library and tried to get into the EU but I never could get into the books, so I ended up being more interested in learning about Lucas and the behind the scenes process. I’m still that way 25 years later and consider that my “lore”
@jedibrent83
@jedibrent83 2 жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 I remember on those old forums that a lot of people thought that palpatine and Sidious were two separate people lol
@redseagaming7832
@redseagaming7832 3 ай бұрын
I didn't see the original star wars trilogy. Until I got the 2004 box set So I didn't notice the difference because I never saw the original trilogy, because I was watching george lucas's version of the movie
@skeptical__x
@skeptical__x 4 ай бұрын
I come back to these videos every 6 months... works of art
@LubbockBabesFan
@LubbockBabesFan 3 ай бұрын
Same
@monikitike34
@monikitike34 2 жыл бұрын
Always loved the prequels and have always defended them for similar reasons of the ones you state in your essays, so it was a nice surprise that recently a friend who never thought on the prequels as great films (he likes them tho) told me he found your videos and u gave him several stuff that made him appreciate them more. Keep on with the great work, u r really reaching lot of people and making them realize more about filmmaking
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
Your work is pretty good 👍
@monikitike34
@monikitike34 2 жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 thanks!
@redseagaming7832
@redseagaming7832 3 ай бұрын
I defend the prequels like I defend the matrix trilogy at sequels, those sequels are great I just believe that matrix, reloaded, and matrix revolution are not given the proper praise they should receive. Fantastic conclusion to the story. Just don't watch the fourth one that one's trash
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
I was lead to believe that the added dialogue in the mono versions of the OT were special edition changes. This is what I get for listening to people who don't do enough research.
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
I think Hayden Christensen's Anakin force ghost being in Episode 6 is easily my favourite change. It never fails to make me shed a tear of joy, and makes the journey of the Saga feel so much more fulfilling, bringing it full circle. There is this visceral and emotionally pleasing reaction out of seeing Anakin return through his youthful form, or more importantly, the Anakin that died being resurrected; not only is it deeply meaningful and potent for the viewer to see Christensen's Anakin one last time after the events that have transpired since his "death", but it is also just as potent for Luke within the context of the story, which creates a sublimely satisfying artistic result. I genuinely feel a sense of euphoria even writing about this scene and it truly is a beautiful decision Lucas made and undoubtedly a decision that fundamentally makes the whole Saga feel so much more cohesive - and at that, just that more masterful and perfect.
@theunknowncommenter725
@theunknowncommenter725 2 жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same way. I never want to see Return of the Jedi without Hayden Christensen ever again.
@choueriito2548
@choueriito2548 2 жыл бұрын
It's baffling how this is actually one of the main talking points those bashing the special editions often have a problem with. How is it more consistent to use an Anakin that he never looked like at any point in time as the basis of his appearance rather than the last time he was a Jedi? Some people try and argue against it with it not being fair on the original actor and his efforts, yet seem to stay quiet about David Prowse's role as Darth Vader being replaced with Sebastian Shaw when his helmet was removed despite Prowse's personal gripes with this.
@lookingforwookiecopilot
@lookingforwookiecopilot 2 жыл бұрын
I hate this change,...which is ironic as Return of the Jedi is just a "meh" movie for me that I haven't seen from beginning to end since the 1980's. That being said, Shaw is the image of the redeemed Anakin, and the only version of his father Luke has seen,...and like just twenty minutes earlier I might add. Luke wouldn't recognize Hayden, so George needs to cgi in a confused look onto Luke's face over that smile. Hayden represents the youngling slayer side of Anakin (especially since he did it long before he even became a Jedi). When I see Hayden, I see evil, when I see Shaw I see that happy-go-lucky slave boy we met in Phantom Menace finally come back. Its just more of George's ass-backwards logic, just like the Han/Greedo thing.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. I remember watching all 6 films in chronological order when I was younger and seeing Hayden as the Force ghost was such a delight. It was like seeing an old friend again after he's been separated for so long. Easily my favourite change to the originals, due to the greater thematic weight it brought to the ending
@sillygoose9791
@sillygoose9791 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine watching the whole series in order for the first time. The protagonist of the first trilogy falls, and then so much time passes, he turns to evil, and at the end you see the same guy from all those movies ago show up, redeemed. Way more powerful than having the bloke from the original cut still fade in.
@ChrisPeteG
@ChrisPeteG 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Saga and fully support Lucas vision. I like thinking about the changes in the same context as I think about any scene. One that is a little debatable in hindsight is the Jabba scene in ANH. With Jabba being in TPM, you no longer need to "introduce" him in ANH. It also gives him a role in the first and last film of the Saga, creating symmetry. Also, Jabba's dialogue is almost an exact duplicate of all of Greedo's dialogue. So it is a little redundant. To include both scenes, either scene should have some altered dialogue or he re-edited in some capacity so you aren't getting the same kind of exchanges twice.
@Tareltonlives
@Tareltonlives 2 жыл бұрын
I do agree with that. It's redundant scenes- I feel they were put in the SE because this was before DVDS allowed for the storage of alternate takes.
@seanshamblin1131
@seanshamblin1131 2 жыл бұрын
And it's too cartoonish with Jabba walking around and then getting his tail stepped on.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's the only change I somewhat take issue with, as it doesn't improve the story in any way or add extra substance
@Tareltonlives
@Tareltonlives 2 жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 Agreed. It's an alternate scene that should have been kept to special features
@anomalyinc3239
@anomalyinc3239 2 жыл бұрын
Yay he did it
@JinxTheLooneyToon915
@JinxTheLooneyToon915 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right?
@informalgeek1196
@informalgeek1196 Жыл бұрын
Anomaly comment in the wild after he freaked the fuck out on Twitter lmao
@SDfan2002
@SDfan2002 Жыл бұрын
Ew… you.
@saiyanc137
@saiyanc137 Жыл бұрын
@@informalgeek1196what happened?
@MysticalBacon23
@MysticalBacon23 Жыл бұрын
@@saiyanc137 I’m wondering the same thing
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 2 жыл бұрын
I know it will take me hours to watch this whole thing, but just wanted to say I've been greatly anticipating this
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@Yanolala
@Yanolala 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 I've been getting into your videos. I think we have different tastes, but I really admire your thoughtfulness and intelligent arguments. Even when I disagree with you, I respect your position and am smarter for having listened to it. Thanks for the great videos!
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 I just finished it and I did enjoy it. I agree with what you say about the fans that complain about the special edition just complain because it's not the version they grew up with. I myself had a similar experience when I first became a Star Wars fan. The first time I watched Return of the Jedi it was from the 1996 VHS tape that I borrowed from my friend. When I watched the other 2 of the trilogy it was either the special editions from Blockbuster or more loaners from him, so I saw both versions of those films simultaneously, but when I saw the Return of the Jedi special edition for the first time I was a little bit thrown off by the musical number in Jabba's Palace. As an adult I can look at it after I've had time to get used to it and say there was nothing wrong with George making the scene longer. The only thing I am curious of, not complaining about, is why was there a change in the music? Was it a suggestion from John Williams or George, I don't have the Making of Return of the Jedi Book to find out sadly, so feel free to fill me in. My only half baked theory is that the original sounds very much like a disco type song, so maybe it was changed so it wouldn't be as dated to any specific era, but obviously I have no actual evidence to support this. I live with the post-1997 version though. I admit that I have the despecialized edition, because of collecting reasons and I no longer have a working VHS player, but I can watch the older cuts to appreciate the newer cuts (as shallow as that might be). Example, seeing the old Death Star space battle made me see how much more energized the later cuts were. And also, the Rancor pit scene in Jedi makes me appreciate how George gave that scene more visual clarity because it was so dark before. Looking forward to part 3. Don't care if it takes 3 years again, it will be worth it. *edit recent re-watch of this gave me the answer for why the music was changed
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
Good point about how the fans claim that they wish to preserve the original films, but are happy to alter the prequels. Double standards galore...
@berserkasaurusrex4233
@berserkasaurusrex4233 Жыл бұрын
That’s not a double standard. It’s the same standard: People want to fix the films.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 Fix the films according to THEIR standards.
@berserkasaurusrex4233
@berserkasaurusrex4233 Жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 It's still one standard though.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 The one standard would be treating the PT the same as the OT - if the latter should be 'preserved' with no alterations, then so should the former.
@berserkasaurusrex4233
@berserkasaurusrex4233 Жыл бұрын
@@onemoreminute0543 The issue isn't preserving anything, it's fixing Lucas's poor decisions. In SE case, it's to remove the unnecessary additions Lucas added in, in the PT case it's to fix his horrible writing, dialogue, direction, etc. decisions. Same standard, just applied differently on a case by case basis.
@freebandz4332
@freebandz4332 2 жыл бұрын
“I’ve been looking forward to this!”
@fridaynightnicktoons6885
@fridaynightnicktoons6885 2 жыл бұрын
His video essay skills have doubled since the last upload COUNT!
@alcarbo8613
@alcarbo8613 2 жыл бұрын
It's finally here! Thanks for an awesome 3 hours Rick, well worth the years of waiting
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@elijahd.techgnostic
@elijahd.techgnostic 2 жыл бұрын
Getting closer to finishing this in depth exploration and I'm still floored at the phenomenal job you did. THE definitive look at the Star Wars Special Editions, a slam dunk against fanboy purists.
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
"purists" isn't even the right word they're just babies and boy does Rick give them babies a good shaking in this video series lmfao
@FMK03
@FMK03 2 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Munn It’s as if they knew that the special editions were far more polished and complete compared to the original unaltered versions.
@nearlydead7510
@nearlydead7510 2 жыл бұрын
@@FMK03 bad CGI and continuity errors =/= more polished.
@JamesHeller-if5kg
@JamesHeller-if5kg Жыл бұрын
If yall think cgi jabba. Cgi tatooine look good then yall need yalls eyes checked. The special editions look absolutly awful.
@gameswithhistory
@gameswithhistory 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for continuing this series, i'm sure it takes a huge amount of time and energy to produce. You are doing the world a service, your examination of Star Wars is a gateway to exploring art and culture, not just the rightful rehabilitation of George Lucas's work in the eyes of the wider public.
@BirdNoise77
@BirdNoise77 Жыл бұрын
A really beautiful defense of artistic integrity. Thank you for your meticulous work Rick!
@PackanackLodge
@PackanackLodge 11 ай бұрын
Epic in every way. This is the best Star Wars documentary/video essay that I have ever seen. Thank you for your immense effort.
@SkullCubeOS
@SkullCubeOS 2 жыл бұрын
Your Star Wars videos are, in my opinion, some of the best content on this entire website. It's like a cathartic therapy session after years of incessant and baseless prequel/special edition/George Lucas hate. Like seriously, the awful "The People vs. George Lucas" and circus that is RLM just makes me sick to even associate myself with those types of fans. I desperately want your analyses to spread like wildfire so we can enter a new era of loving Star Wars instead of being stuck in the echo chamber of manchildren like RLM complaining about things they don't really understand. It's beyond sad to see just how media illiterate and over entitled so many so called fans of Star Wars can be about the franchise they claim to love and adore more than the creator himself.
@mistymarshall5438
@mistymarshall5438 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK Heck, even Bill Shatner can't stand them.
@mistymarshall5438
@mistymarshall5438 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK Definitely not slobby manchildren.
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness, I can't believe this, FINALLY! Three years later and we're finally here! I'm so excited for this man, this has been my most anticipated KZbin video ever. 3 hours of absolute bliss, I couldn't be more excited. Thank you so much and bless you for taking your time and making what seems to be an excellent piece of work once again, Rick :) I always loved the special editions and could never fully grasp why people disliked them so much; Hayden's Anakin Skywalker, for example, just made total sense in every thematic element possible and truly felt like the Saga was brought full circle in an emotionally potent way. I'm glad this documentary is going to defend what I deem to be the brilliant and best versions of the Originals - the definitive ones - and alongside that, I just love your style, so I'm really looking forward to diving into this in the coming nights. It's been a long time coming and I just know how fulfilling it's gonna be. Thank you once again!
@photon_break
@photon_break Жыл бұрын
Just watched this series through for the second time, I will wait however long it takes for part 3. These videos really helped me to gain a new appreciation for all six of Lucas' Star Wars films. They also helped me to understand that there is so much more that goes into making a movie, especially movies like these, than I ever could have imagined.
@SomeGuy_1138
@SomeGuy_1138 2 жыл бұрын
THAT EXPLAINS why I never heard the "Close the blast doors!" on our old tape from 30 years ago!!! Well hell, how about that.
@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337
@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 2 жыл бұрын
There are two changes I like personally one is in ESB when Vader was speaking with the emperor in that hologram. And young Anakin joining Obi Wan and Yoda's force ghost at the end of ROTJ.
@thewrathofrevan5999
@thewrathofrevan5999 2 жыл бұрын
I could honestly go either way with Anakin's ghost. Thematically it makes sense that he's once again the Jedi he was before he was "killed by Vader", but I also like seeing what an older Anakin looks like, without the scars. He looked like such a proud father, and I think that really adds to his redemption and Luke's trust in him.
@NeidhardtDerBlitzschnelle
@NeidhardtDerBlitzschnelle Жыл бұрын
This was very informative. Prior to this, I had no Idea of Episode IV's differences between sound mixes, and so, like many others, assumed the "Close the blast doors" line to be a Special Edition change.
@ChrisPeteG
@ChrisPeteG 2 жыл бұрын
I can not wait for your revised, final editions of these mega-documentaries. Maybe as slightly more digestible episodes with some remastered audio. You have full control over these things! Never stop talking about Star Wars.
@Wackaz
@Wackaz 2 жыл бұрын
The time has come. This is all I could ever ask for and moreso for Part 2! I mean, 3 hours AND 40 minutes of Rick Worley?! *My life is actually complete.*
@Troopertroll
@Troopertroll Жыл бұрын
It's crazy to imagine people having a bigger problem with special editions than Disney's handling of the franchise.
@JoeJack418
@JoeJack418 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t even watch Rise of Skywalker after Last Jedi was so bad. I don’t plan to ever watch those films again. But I watch the OG Star Wars trilogy once a year so changes to those films are much more important to me.
@Lone432345
@Lone432345 Жыл бұрын
Why would people settle for a shitty edition of the Original Trilogy. When there something better. There isn't a better edition of the Last Jedi. If there was. I bet people would rather watch that.
@ThumpingThromnambular
@ThumpingThromnambular Жыл бұрын
Ruining something good is worse than making something bad.
@Jiub_SN
@Jiub_SN Жыл бұрын
@@Lone432345 except it's no shittier? Like it's objectively a better looking film? The only thing g actively in the way of the special editions is the whole Han shit first thing, which in the grand scheme of the trilogy is pretty insignificant
@Jiub_SN
@Jiub_SN Жыл бұрын
@@ThumpingThromnambular if you u actually believe that you need a reality check. Nostalgia isn't included when examining objective quality
@Playmation
@Playmation 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve just recently watched this then went back to see part 1 and without rambling I’m very glad you made these and I’m even more glad I watched them
@anthonytitone
@anthonytitone Жыл бұрын
I’m glad u mentioned Coppola because he’s really enhanced a lot of his films with new cuts. Personally I like the Apocalypse Now Final Cut, Outsiders complete novel, cotton club encore & Godfather Coda more than any other cuts of those movies. I haven’t seen Dementia 13 tho so I’ll have to check it out
@virgilstormblade3339
@virgilstormblade3339 2 жыл бұрын
I think I can explain exactly why RLM, for all the praise they get for having a film maker's perspective on movies, don't seem to really care about Lucas going back to improve some effects (though they do say that yes, it does ruin some of the original aesthetic choices). They only make, to use their own words, schlock. B-movies or parodies of them. And they're upfront about it so they don't have a more perfectionist mind like Lucas'. So if they see a bad effect, they don't immediately think about wanting to fix it, just leave it as is. That could be fine on its own, and I do believe that there's legitimate criticisms that don't have to come from filmmakers or critics to be truly legitimate. But I do think it says a lot about their mentality something like making the Ewoks' eyes blink is just a pointless change instead of adding life to what are already very good masks. They could also be confused about the supposed tone issues because they're just so used to making their B-movie parodies it never hit them that the tone isn't really a problem with the movies.
@Replica_Films2000
@Replica_Films2000 2 жыл бұрын
Good Point....i look at my favorite games and think "this can be better" other dudes argue with me endlessly insisting that for some reason minor changes would just wreck everything....its silly.....
@darkdstryr40k
@darkdstryr40k 2 жыл бұрын
As with part 1 thank you, this has been an enlightening 3:41 hours, thank you for taking the time to show just what changed, why it was changed, and a broader narrative on how things always change.
@Hilter420
@Hilter420 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who likes to draw and write I can tell you that I change my work all the time. And the thought that some entitled losers would want me to never do that makes my blood boil
@pikarari
@pikarari 2 жыл бұрын
I got so horny when he played the clips of those morons talking about the Mona Lisa LMAO "Get 'em, Rick! Get they ass!!" I literally said, out loud 🤣
@ntfoperative9432
@ntfoperative9432 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, I remember seeing you in the Vienna art school, how's life?
@stalefurset9444
@stalefurset9444 Жыл бұрын
If someone buys your art, do you break into their homes and do changes?
@TurboTurds30
@TurboTurds30 Жыл бұрын
​@@stalefurset9444 did Lucas break into your house and alter your VHS tapes and old DVDs?
@stalefurset9444
@stalefurset9444 Жыл бұрын
@@TurboTurds30 Yes.
@kr4119
@kr4119 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so, so much for this masterful defense of George Lucas' artistic vision. The older I get, the more I appreciate his creativity and the more disgusted I become with the over-entitled manbabies that misrepresent his work.
@SuperGamer61499
@SuperGamer61499 2 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video. Really enjoyed my time watching you clear up so much. the 3 hours and 41 minutes was more than justified.
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@UpLyinkKralonMP_UAsoviet
@UpLyinkKralonMP_UAsoviet 2 жыл бұрын
hello from Ukraine. It's a special operation of studing special editions. Great video.
@TSDT
@TSDT 2 жыл бұрын
This was a hell of a video to start the morning to. Just finishing it in time for the end of my lunchbreak. I've got to admit I was one of those fanboys who was on the RLM hypetrain and thought Lucas lacked in my high school/university days. So, I gravitated towards the Despecialized versions in the few times I've watched Star Wars since childhood - even first held hands with my now-wife while watching the Harmy's cut of the OT. However, this nearly four-hour plunge into film history has changed my mind on how to approach the series, even if I found the Prequels to be still middling films on my re-watch. It's also reinvigorated a passion for the creative process I've needed, so thanks for that.
@millabasset1710
@millabasset1710 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guilty of being on the RLM hate train back in the day, but I've never viewed them as real film critics, I just thought their reviews were funny and nothing more. I do have hard copies of the despecialized editions, even was a total dork and made clip covers for the custom blu rays. I will never throw them away. bit given they're in 720i and it's an amateur cut, it's not the best viewing experience of the movie.
@sglenny001
@sglenny001 2 жыл бұрын
As a non natetive English speaker who actually learnt English though buying a script and watching starwars made more easy so thankyou
@johns123
@johns123 Жыл бұрын
Just finished the video. Your arguments are really strong and they change my views on the special editions. Now I'm gonna watch your prequels video. Thanks for all the research and in-depth analysis you did! It paid off
@1000g2g3g4g800999
@1000g2g3g4g800999 2 жыл бұрын
On the topic of fans thinking they know better than the original creators, well, I'm not sure how familiar you are with it but, for something else Star Wars related, let's take a character - Revan from the game Knights of the Old Republic. Revan's character started with noble intentions, fell to the dark side, started a war against the Republic, and came back to the light at the end of the war, and saved the Republic. Kind of a lot he did there, but that's the basics, and a lot of the details on how some of that happened. The game gets a sequel by a different studio, with different writers, and the lead decides they like the idea he never actually fell to the dark side, or did so intentionally, and actually started a war to unite and strengthen the galaxy against a greater threat, (though this is only presented through a theory proposed by a character in the sequel). Fans really liked this idea, and at the very least, elements of that story were retained going forward. There was a period people were really celebrating the idea of this "grey" character who could balance light and dark, and others saying everything he was doing was always in service of the greater good (even though he did a lot of things that were actually really bad up to this point). However, the original writers came back, and decided he did legitimately fall to the dark side, and a bunch of other things for other characters, but fans were really upset that the power-fantasy character that was already established to have become a Sith at some point might actually have been a bad dude. There were other things they were upset about, but this particular detail was a big one for them, even though it was literally coming from the one who created the character in the first place. Obviously, the amount of rage and entitlement here doesn't compare to people's reactions to George Lucas going back and changing his movies, or making the prequels as he wanted to in terms of scale, but it's just something else I remember from Star Wars fans, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone really talk about it. Granted, I don't remember them calling the writers "talentless hacks" or anything along those lines, let alone any of the far worse treatment Lucas (and many others involved in his works) got, but it does relate to fans thinking they understand something better than its creator.
@Dark6997
@Dark6997 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos you've given me a greater appreciation of films and also help me to articulate things that bugs me about a lot of fans especially a lot of StarWars fans
@BlackScreenProductions125
@BlackScreenProductions125 2 жыл бұрын
So, on the whole "people fight against a version of Lucas that only exists in their head" thing, I absolutely agree. Just yesterday, I was watching an old livestream, and I heard some dudes say that one of the reasons that the prequels were "so bad" was because of George Lucas' "massive ego", and I was sitting there thinking, do they know literally anything about George Lucas?
@tomnorton4277
@tomnorton4277 2 жыл бұрын
George Lucas is one of the most humble people in Hollywood. He's not in it for the awards or acclaim, he's just there to make art. Heck, he resigned AKA was kicked out of the Directors Guild because he wouldn't play their game. Integrity has always been important to Lucas and that's so rare in Hollywood that it's practically a myth.
@BlackScreenProductions125
@BlackScreenProductions125 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomnorton4277 yup.
@ANT96-x8d
@ANT96-x8d Жыл бұрын
When Steven Spielberg remastered ET, he later realized how it was an act of ruining film history. So he eventually released a double version on Blu-ray, which includes both the remastered AND original version. Even the cult movie Brazil exists in three different versions. Terry Gilliam embraces those various versions, including the version he hated and had nothing to do with. So why wouldn’t Lucas do the same and release two versions of the classic trilogy on Blu-Ray?
@zurich5607
@zurich5607 Жыл бұрын
@@ANT96-x8d because Lucas’s changes arguably don’t ruin the SW movies, so there’s no need to release the originals
@cesarvazquezgarcia4174
@cesarvazquezgarcia4174 Жыл бұрын
​@@ANT96-x8dyou didn't saw the video? Terry didn't approve of the theatical release of Brazil at all and the only reson it is in the dvd was to show how shitty it was and how it ruins his art, and why corporations should never tamper with an artist vision he doesn't "embrace it" at all.
@bilbobaggins9451
@bilbobaggins9451 Жыл бұрын
Star wars fans will freak out even when its a change that is just objectively better in every way. For instance, I noticed some people b!tching about the sandcrawler scene in a new hope. They took the original model from the 70s and just refilmed it to make it larger than life with no cgi. Yet they still complained and said they prefer the Tonka truck slowly creeping its way over a sandbox. Literally any change is scrutinized to death. Even if its something that looks just obviously better. I really do believe OT purists are in a cult.
@reeseexplains8935
@reeseexplains8935 Жыл бұрын
Nobody really complains that much about the cloud city wall changes so that’s bs. A new hope and return of the Jedi are unwatchable with the special edition.
@bilbobaggins9451
@bilbobaggins9451 Жыл бұрын
@@reeseexplains8935 How tf are they "unwatchable"? And no, tons of OT purists b!tch about the cloud city walls. They prefer the claustrophobic look of the original for some reason.
@reeseexplains8935
@reeseexplains8935 Жыл бұрын
@@bilbobaggins9451 it literally sounds like baby talk unlike lapti neck. Lapti neck was actually watachable. Most of the changes are stupid. The mos eisley changes are terrible and the rontos don’t hold. Jurassic park holds up better and was released than the special editions of the original trilogy.
@bilbobaggins9451
@bilbobaggins9451 Жыл бұрын
@@reeseexplains8935 The difference is that Jurassic park filmed their dinosaurs in darker environments, thus hiding the imperfections in the effects. The special edition cg shots are basically in bright daylight where it's noticeably dated. But even in Jurassic park, when the dinos are filmed in the day, you can see the textures just aren't that great. Still great for its time. I'm not saying George reinvented the wheel when it came to the special edition cgi, but he felt it was necessary to make it a more bustling city than what he originally had. The dewbacks were these statues with a rod through the head where it could only move up and down. Then you get to the special editions, and they can move wherever he wants. You can hate it, but why should it be illegal for him to go back and change some of the stuff that doesn't hold up?
@reeseexplains8935
@reeseexplains8935 Жыл бұрын
@@bilbobaggins9451 I don’t think it should be illegal for him to make edits to the movies. They did this with Star Trek but released the altered version alongside the original version. They should have done this with Star Wars. George wanted the movies to age better but the special editions make them age worse. The first dinosaur in Jurrassic park was in daylight and it ages better than the special edition rontos. Also something like the sarlac holds up better in the original, the added cg in the special edition does not hold up.
@alfredvickers4054
@alfredvickers4054 2 жыл бұрын
RLM and others don't like how kid-friendly the prequels are, wishing that they were more serious. Many actually like Revenge of the Sith, or at least consider it the least bad prequel, and it is notably the darkest of the 6 films. The prequel haters and Special Edition haters think the Jabba's palace sequence has its supposedly dark and gritty tone ruined by the goofy musical number. They are upset that Han is clearly never a cold-blooded murderer. They think Boba Fett is a badass who was let down by a lame death and are upset that his voice now sounds a little less rough in the later versions. They think badass bad guy Darth Vader is ruined if he says "Nooooo!!!" or is shown to have once been an innocent and optimistic kid. I've heard of some people coming up with their own dark and gritty rewrites of the prequels, and others wanted basically 3 movies of unstoppable scary Vader ruthlessly hunting down Jedi. In the end, it becomes clear that they want something that Star Wars never was: a tonally and thematically dark series of films, probably with hard-core violence too. Which means they never liked Star Wars for what it is, but for what they imagined it to be, probably harkening back to the movies seeming a lot scarier and more hard-core when they were young children. But that was never Star Wars. They should look elsewhere for that kind of movie, and stop hating George Lucas for their own bizarre obsessions.
@brucewayne1662
@brucewayne1662 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. I have said for a while that seeing these movies in the theater when they were 10 gave them an alternate reality that just does not exist in the real world.
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
But then RLM complained that Revenge of the Sith was overly dark. Like make up your mind man do you want these films to be dark or not?
@alfredvickers4054
@alfredvickers4054 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK That's not the same thing. Acknowledging the prequels as carefully crafted (if flawed) works of art is not the same thing as demanding a dark and gritty tone. Different senses of the word "serious."
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK Not you again.
@Foobie07
@Foobie07 2 жыл бұрын
@@AardvarkDK You prequel haters are not the ones to talk when it comes to "echo chambers."
@Andiatus
@Andiatus 2 жыл бұрын
Dunno if anyone else pointed out, but for future videos the dings and alarm sound effects were way louder than everything else and that was pretty off putting... That being said, amazing video and very informative! I never really heard these arguments and all this information you presented before. It's crazy!
@FriendlyDarkwraith
@FriendlyDarkwraith 2 жыл бұрын
Turns out "Maclunkey" wasn't something George arbitrarily added for the 2019 rerelease, but it actually appeared before in Star Wars. Specifically, in The Phantom Menace, Sebulba says it while threatening Jar-Jar after he spat that frog-thing into his green soup. Of course it's a little hard to hear, and the way he pronounces it sounds more like "maca-lun-key", but it's the same exact word. Bravo, George, bravo. Who would have thought the creator of Star Wars would know more about it than some sweaty, middle-aged nerds on the internet?
@matthewgaudet4064
@matthewgaudet4064 2 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Munn , they can't Lucas legally owns final cut on his films. They aren't allowed to alter them. For the theatrical movies to be released he has to sign off on it. Other studios do catalog releases all the time, it would be super easy and wouldn't cost millions. Lucas just doesn't want them released. There are other high quality sources other than the special edition conformed negative to do it. Studios like Criterion use lesser than oneg sources all the time.
@matthewgaudet4064
@matthewgaudet4064 2 жыл бұрын
That change was done in 2013 for the 3D release that never happened. The 2020 Blu-Ray 4K is not a new scan and Lucas hadn't changed anything in almost a decade. Even the Indiana Jones 4K scan for Raiders was done in 2012. Lucasfilm sits on these forever until they are released. By the way the 4K is Special Edition 4.0. There won't be a fifth version because George is done with Star Wars.
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 Жыл бұрын
Its just such a pointless change though
@TrueLunacy
@TrueLunacy 5 ай бұрын
Maclunkey!!! Haha hilarious
@spo0nofficial
@spo0nofficial Жыл бұрын
you know as someone who used to actively hate the special editions, this video actually made me appreciate them way more and see just how dumb the arguments i was hearing all the time were. This video is fucking great 10/10
@PrometheusOfVideos
@PrometheusOfVideos Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I can tell a lot of time and research went into this. Wow, I never knew about all these different versions! A few years ago, I came across copies of the OT despecialized in 4K. On top of the CGI additions being removed, I noticed some audio and visual differences right away. Makes me wonder which audio mix I got after watching this video of yours. It did come with notes with what the editors did so I'll check it...
@cy4069
@cy4069 2 жыл бұрын
Every clip from RLM or “the people vs George Lucas” in this video just makes my blood boil. Amazing video, it’s astonishing how ignorant yet simultaneously self righteous these so called “fans” are about the movies.
@theunknowncommenter725
@theunknowncommenter725 2 жыл бұрын
The sequels were made for those idiots in mind
@GuineaPigDan
@GuineaPigDan 2 жыл бұрын
“The People vs George Lucas” are just an earlier version of the modern day Fandom Menace. They went from hating George Lucas and the prequels to now sanctifying Lucas because they hate what Disney has done to Star Wars. Pretty much everything said about how poorly researched and self entitled the “fans” featured in PVSGL are applies to the Fandom Menace as well.
@choueriito2548
@choueriito2548 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't even say RLM count as "fans" (or at least not Mike/Plinkett) when considering they've always seemed to have nowhere near as much investment in Star Wars as they do in other areas (eg. Mike has shown to have far more of a love and understanding for Star Trek, for one).
@millabasset1710
@millabasset1710 2 жыл бұрын
@@GuineaPigDan The Fandom Menace are kind of in the right for complaining about the sequel trilogy, albeit I hate the unoriginal "muh forced diversity and muh feminism arguments" they're not hating the sequel trilogy for the right reasons. It is anti-climactic that now the fandom menace is pretending to like the prequels now, even though these were the people who hated them when they were released.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 2 жыл бұрын
@@millabasset1710 Yeah. And whenever they talk about how the sequels could have been improved, they talk about what they would have done (or bring in the EU) and so miss the obvious point. It's not about what THEY would have done. It's about what LUCAS would have done as it was the last chapter in HIS story. And of course, even if you have some fandom menace members who are interested in Lucas's sequels, they're often the same people who vomited upon hearing about the midichlorians in TPM.
@samlerf
@samlerf 2 жыл бұрын
And when the world needed him most... he returned. Can't wait. Is your book going okay?
@rickworley9081
@rickworley9081 2 жыл бұрын
Took a couple months off to finish this, but I'll get back to the book soon.
@samlerf
@samlerf 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 I think the journey of Star Wars has been an ongoing one for me. I remember watching the fight between Palpatine and Mace Windu as a kid - and when Palpatine pretended to be weak and helpless, begging for mercy, I turned to my mother and said “But he can’t hurt him, he said please not!” Haha. I once read an Interview with R. A. Salvatore (you know: the fantasy writer that wrote the Episode II novelization), and he said: “So, the next day I was up at the ranch and I’m supposed to get 45 minutes with George Lucas, but we hit it off pretty well and four hours later we were still going strong. It was a wonderful day. The only really bad moment ... because what happened was, I went and did the book, and then I added a bunch of stuff to the book that wasn’t in the script. And then I had to re-write a lot of that because I didn’t realize that the entire movie takes place in three days, that really shocked me when I heard that.” Remembering all the books about mythology and history behind Lucas in the Episode I documentary, that caught my interest and I asked Salvatore if that three day comment included the marriage scene, since Anakin and Padmé’s romance reminded me of a lot of medieval romance-movies I’d seen as kid, we’d discussed some myths in school, too. So Salvatore told me: “They didn't mention that part, no. And I was floored when they told me about the 3-day timeline!” Though, to be fair, the timeline has always been a bit strange. I remember Obi-Wan visiting Padmé in the Episode III novel and saying that he and Anakin had argued the day bevor and parted without patching things up - the last scene between them prior to that had been Obi-Wan giving Anakin the mission to spy on Palpatine, of course (that seemed a bit strange, however, as Anakin and Obi-Wan DID make up in that version of the scene). I remember Wookieepedia having weird data on that, as it claimed that the assassination attempt on Padmé happened on the same day as the battle of Geonosis (which, obviously, couldn’t be true). Though the blog “starwarsittech.blogspot” claimed different things, a time frame of about 13 days. So who knows? Perhaps Lucasfilm just disliked Salvatore’s original material and tried to soften the blow when telling him, as I have no idea how a 3 day timeline would work in a story that takes place on different planets across the galaxy. Plus, like you mentioned, the novelizations have to be taken with a grain of salt. I remember watching the behind-the-scenes documentaries about the prequels where you would see Lucas’ working on the visual element of his story, to the point that he’d edit different takes together to create certain rhythms. In the making of book, he said: “I’m not known for my dialogue. I think of it as a sound effect, a rhythm, a vocal chorus in the overall soundtrack. Mostly, everything is visual. What drove me to make these movies Is that this is a really interesting story about how people go bad. In this particular case, the premise is: Nobody thinks they’re bad. They simply have different points of view. This is about a kid that’s really wonderful. He has some flaws - and those flaws ultimately do him in. The core issue, ultimately, is greed, possessiveness - the inability to let go. Not only to hold onto material things, which is greed, but to hold on to life, to the people you love - to not accept the reality of life’s passages and changes, which is to say things come, things go. Everything changes. Anakin becomes emotionally attached to things, his mother, his wife. That’s why he fails - because he doesn’t have the ability to let go.”
@samlerf
@samlerf Жыл бұрын
@@rickworley9081 By the way, didn't Harrison Ford admit later on that he was wrong about Lucas' dialogue writing?
@milleniumtardis
@milleniumtardis Жыл бұрын
Now I don’t have to feel embarrassed about liking the special editions anymore
@reeseexplains8935
@reeseexplains8935 Жыл бұрын
Well they still suck.
@zoetropeguardian
@zoetropeguardian 8 ай бұрын
Never feel embarrassed for being on the side of respect and compassion for artists and their rights.
@cherlojomzyaduermanse
@cherlojomzyaduermanse 5 ай бұрын
@reeseexplains8935 Put that where everyone can read it
@antitroll890
@antitroll890 2 жыл бұрын
And so Red Letter Media and their yes man don't even know that film stock deteriorates over time. Colour me surprised...
@millabasset1710
@millabasset1710 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't finished yet, but this was well worth the wait, thanks for releasing such an in depth piece of work. I've never understood this obsession with the "original versions". I was born in 1993, so I grew up with the 1997 SE, particularly the VHS tape versions with the featurettes. I was still captivated by the original trilogy despite not seeing the non-existent originals. My parents were never huge Star Wars fans, so they themselves most likely never even knew about the revisions made in 1981 to A New Hope, or the revisions made to Empire or Jedi before the prequels even came out. The featurettes on the special editions was something I never fast-forwarded on my VHS player, I was always interested in seeing the special effects breakdown even as a 5 year old; of course my memories of those viewing experiences are a bit faint, but I still cherish them. I never knew there was an IMAX version of Attack of the Clones, thank God I never saw that version on opening day, 30 minutes of cut content would have been terrible. I found part 2 of this video the best part, it's amazing how common it is for artists to revise their works, I've always known this in my life, but such an extensive presentation of the facts is the nail in the coffin for George Lucas haters. I'm not sure if you're going to continue Star Wars content in the future, but if this is your last Star Wars video, what a way to go out!
@fgdj2000
@fgdj2000 2 жыл бұрын
Truth: the Dooku v. Anakin fight in the dark was always a fight I found very inspiring.
@gr-8166
@gr-8166 Жыл бұрын
Same here, I found the implication of their fight to be very satisfying from an artistic approach. Love all the fights even Episode IV’s less stellar fight. People forgot about two shots where there was a bit of more than just sticks hitting one another, Vader was close to getting Obi before Luke even arrived.
@BennysGamingAttic
@BennysGamingAttic Жыл бұрын
I was a kid when I saw that, and I loved that scene so much! The red glow was so intense to me!
@cowboys8897
@cowboys8897 9 ай бұрын
I loved that fight❤❤ it's my top 5 favorite star wars fight.
@robbieward765
@robbieward765 2 жыл бұрын
I was 9,12, and 15 respectively when the prequels came out, and I absolutely loved them until late high school when I was sadly convinced otherwise, however I did grow up with the ‘95 VHS box set of the OT, so it was very jarring for me to get accustomed to the changes on the 2004 DVD. I’ve slowly become more appreciative of many of the changes, but this video has really allowed me to see the big picture, and the beauty of an individual artist having the opportunity to shape 6 great films into a massive, gloriously cohesive whole. Thanks Rick, you’re doing The Maker’s Work.
@myujokt733
@myujokt733 2 жыл бұрын
So yes the people who turned against Lucas were late seventies, and early to late eighties fucktards., Thanks for confirming my suspicions mate.
@tsunderemerc2963
@tsunderemerc2963 3 ай бұрын
Its insane how Star Wars "fans" claim they love the movies so much, then insist that changes George makes are bad and it actually belongs to the fans. If you love these movies so much, why would you want to change them? Its stupid and entitled, and these people barely have any knowledge of everything that was actually changed. I do wish we had older versions just for preservation, and for the sake of comparison, but theyre not the intended way to view them. People need to stop acting like they know more about the movie than the guy that made them, or that he was somehow stupid and Star Wars was really made by everyone around him. These videos have deepened my appreciation for star wars so much, and made me realize how few people really understand the movies, including myself before i saw this alongside George stating his intentions. I really hope we'll get a Part 3 or more for this!
@coletale
@coletale 2 ай бұрын
"I do wish we had older versions just for preservation, and for the sake of comparison, but theyre not the intended way to view them." and honestly if it was framed as a request, and not as a demand, that's what hinges on them being viewed as good or bad people. you could compare that to how Mother 3 fans have begged nintendo for a localization. they'll hold up signs or paint their bare chests but are they gonna ruin their chances of ever getting it by calling Miaymoto a rapist? of course not, because Mother fans are reasonable people. Star Wars fans are not.
@tsunderemerc2963
@tsunderemerc2963 2 ай бұрын
​@@coletale True, the way people behave about it doesn't really help their case. It's more of a novelty to have than anything, cool as they may be.
@retrohurricane
@retrohurricane 2 ай бұрын
@@tsunderemerc2963i just want them for historical significance cause they're the version that audiences back in the 70s/80's fell in love with, and with so many changes done to these movies over the years it's hard to say if the currently available Special Edition of A New Hope is the same movie that won the Oscar for Best Editing back in 1977
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