RIDICULOUS OBSERVATION! 😠 Simon Jordan & Graeme Souness LOCK HORNS Over David Moyes' West Ham Exit

talkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness debate David Moyes' departure from West Ham and how the manager was treated.
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[@rico2ooo]

As I understand it, Moyes was offered a contract BUT as a head coach, not manager. Steidten is in charge of getting players & Moyes didn’t want to sign up to that. I believe Moyes was waiting to see if we qualified for Europe again. ⚒🏆

[@charlielad6124]

Cheers Geoff

[@davidryley4162]

Moyes would have signed Man utd has beens

[@curtisalleyne3710]

A valued point

[@jkl92590]

About time someone backed the fans. Moyes has been woeful for 2 years, he's not getting a better job over here than west ham lets be honest.

[@-The-Darkside]

West Ham downgraded manager though. They were in for Amorim and others and settled for a Spanish David Moyes. Be careful what you wish for.

[@chrisfranklin8985]

@@-The-Darkside Yawn!

[@Chinaski1983]

@@chrisfranklin8985yawn exactly - Lopetegui is at least an elite coach regardless of what his style is believed to be. David Moyes is a glorified Sunday league level manager. I don’t think he knows what the concept of coaching is. He hasn’t moved with the times and that is why he has been sacked/released. He has nobody else to blame except himself.

[@jkl92590]

@@-The-Darkside sounds like a lot of rubbish to me.

[@markyboy7012]

Give over you lot. The squad wants a rebuild BECAUSE of Moyes. If his stock is so high, where’s all these big clubs coming in for him? He’s a spent force, one trick pony! Where’s the proof there was a contract? Moyes knows he’s flogged this squad to death. Time to go & let someone else pick up the pieces.

[@-The-Darkside]

Wheres all the offers from big clubs for Julen Lopetegui. If his stock is so high why wasn't he up for the Liverpool job or being talked about as the next man United manager? Works both ways, you've replaced him well done, now all the pressure is on West Ham to do even better, I'd bet on them winning nothing and finishing bottom 6 next season.

[@markyboy7012]

@@-The-Darkside nope completely incorrect. Typical assumption from a non west ham supporter who thinks they know it all. We want better football better than the dross Moyes served up game after game. Are you telling Villa fans they were wrong to want more & appoint Emery? No of course you aren’t.

[@neilwilliams4184]

West ham legend 😂😂😂😂😂😂 good grief

[@neilwilliams4184]

​​@@-The-DarksideBottom 6? ,aww you mean like Moyes more or less did last season🤔 all these other fans who think they know better that don't watch our games are priceless

[@del8boy]

Simon is spot on, In business you will always look for a replacement, just incase the current EMPLOYEE/SUB CONTRACTOR is not staying. Simple's. COYI

[@tevildo45]

Simon Jordan looks like the head off art attack

[@creativeamerican8811]

You Sir deserve a cup of tea and a whole pack of hobknobs. I always knew his gammon block of a head reminded me of something, and yes.. it is of course that punchable block of clay head man from Neil Buchanans House Party Attack.

[@jeffreygoujon9359]

That's a belter 🤣

[@symonds651]

There was a contract offer and if he was happy with the terms he'd have signed it in a shot. Best guess is it was more of a head coach role and relinquishing power to the new director of football.

[@Evus-st5di]

West Hams football was woeful to watch. Imagine losing your hard earned money to watch that dross week in week out! Low block football done badly! I don't see Bayern Munich looking to appoint him, And I can't remember him being on the Liverpool short list!

[@ParzifalPip]

Tit

[@Evus-st5di]

@@ParzifalPip Yes, I have sucked your wife's tit.

[@Paige0212]

Worst defence in our PL history. Really grateful for what he did and will go down in history. Just awful to watch.

[@caesarseizeher]

What's wrong with withdrawing a verbal offer, the whole point is that its a provisional offer before pen is put to paper

[@johnnycotton3217]

You think Alex ? Doesn't sound like a man in the know to me

[@-The-Darkside]

People downplaying Moyes with "wheres all the big clubs coming in for him" and the answer is simple, wheres all tge big clubs in for Julen Lopetegui, its not like his name was in the frame for Liverpool or even mentioned towards Man United. Theres no proof the new guy will do better and I'll laugh when he doesnt.

[@madderred4754]

Where are all the PL clubs coming in for Moyes? Be honest with yourself, Moyes would be lucky to get an offer from Birmingham City.

[@toddgriffith4851]

There was no offer. Moyes was stroking his own ego saying it was there.

[@williamsmith9315]

Source?

[@markyboy7012]

@@williamsmith9315 Moyes tried to rush the board into giving him a new contract because he could see the disastrous fixtures ahead. Shanking 6 against Arsenal was the turning point. Contract faded away. Thank god!

[@akwamarsunzal]

Thanks for the trophy Dave, not gonna miss your tactics, the record goals against, the shocking performances and 86th minute subs! Moyes made the decision not to sign the invisible contract in February, so, adios Moyes!

[@whu1001]

"Be careful for what you wish for".That tired old saying coming from the so called experts. As a season ticket holder i've had to watch that dull dreary low block football for most of the season. Taxi for Moyes.

[@westhamaremassive8099]

He never got an offer they were stringing him along. He was trying to save face

[@westham11996688]

Moyes was offered a new contract to be the HEAD COACH he wanted to stay the MANAGER and remain in full control. He declined that so west ham had no alternative but, to find a new head coach . He jumped and wasn't pushed due to his own stubbornness.

[@colindeller3709]

Moyes said a contract was 'on the table' which is more than a verbal offer I would think, Alex sounded like he was guessing? Reality is, if the offer was there why didnt Moyes sign? As Simon says, even if things are going well, surely even the more reason to resign there and then. There is no benefit to leaving it and creating instability. Unfortunately things leak and the managerial hunt got out there, but what should the board do? Sit on their hands and leave any incoming manager a matter of weeks to sort out the squad.

[@paullucas3684]

Talksport a politcal arm for arm for Moyes!

[@paulmccarthy6663]

He 100 percent didn’t get a contract offer. He won’t get a better job than West Ham either. ‘Crooky’ adds nothing than a look of someone that can’t work out if someone’s left a whoopsy under his pillow

[@-The-Darkside]

He may not get a better job, but it remains to be seen if West Ham have got a better manager, all he has to do is do better than Moyes and won a trophy, the likelihood is low.

[@WGK90]

They're both arguing the same thing essentially, and they're arguing about essentially what is, fiction since no one other than the club and David Moyse knows exactly what has happened behind closed doors. David and the club, both said they're happy, it's done, he's leaving, we don't need to talk about it anymore.

[@gmdhargreaves]

If all their seats are the same size Souness is a monster

[@edavis6077]

There was a contract on the table just not necessarily for Moyes. Head Coach not manager

[@deananderson-is7un]

Allways starts with the 4 positive things about moyes not a mention of the 10 negative things

[@mandrake-34-]

We brought in Tim Steidten to modernise the structure of the club, and any contract talks in January will have been on the understanding that Moyes would be a head coach instead of a traditional manager with full control. There were even rumours at the time of performance-related conditions allowing for early dismissal without financial penalty. I don't think there was ever a formal contract ready to sign, but I do think the club were giving Moyes the option of first refusal. My best guess is that most of the public statements were just stage management, and that both Moyes and the hierarchy have known for months that he didn't want to work under that new structure.

[@harrywix]

The club is modernising its structure to a Technical Director and Head Coach, and that wasn't, it seems, to DM's liking. Nor was his one-dimensional, low block football enjoyed by the fans. As a season ticket holder I'm glad we're moving on, and I think we may have Daniel Kretisnky to thank for that.

[@soapboxparishrecordings5287]

3:00 Alex criticised Liverpool for announcing klopp leaving before the end of a season

[@welshhibby]

OMG this was HEATED and they LOCKED HORNS

[@yunoyuluvit]

Who was reporting on all the West Ham manager gossip, exactly? The same journos now complaining about how Moyes had been treated. If you were that concerned then perhaps you should have kept your mouths shut, but you wanted the clicks and views.

[@forest_169]

Thanks for the cup win but no thanks for the aging squad full of old boys .

[@purehyperbole5727]

All managers/ex-managers protect their own. They all want a nice invite to their new club when they get one.

[@TtotheCizzel]

Two of the worst pundits the sport has known arguing over who has the worst take

[@kylowhen2639]

What is the relevance of you Jim and Crook going to the London Stadium together many times??

[@SoraxSpace]

Either he was offered a contract for a new 'coaching' role (which IMO would totally expose him), or he lied to save face and was not offered a new contract at all. He clearly stated he had a contract AND IT WAS ENTIRELY HIS DECISION if he stays or he goes. Therefore the club had every right to look for a new coach/manager at this stage. Please do know what you're talking about before having a go at us fans again, it really is insulting.

[@nickgoatham7981]

Very accurate. Moyes words around Dec /Jan, were about contract on the table, which will be looked at later. Nothing about verbal contract, which is fairly meaningless at best of times. Results as we all know have been woeful since then, it is only my view that the unrest at the club, the results and most importantly the massive re-build had big part to play. The recruitment will be trusted to Tim Steidten, the board have painful evidence this is not, Moyes forte, and I think he's finally realised it himself.

[@cappa351]

Car crash from Pelligrini 😂😂😂 Moyes did 1 point better. Lets have it right

[@Popaldinho10]

This is funny because it came out that moyes was never given a.contract and there was nothing on the table. It was handled terribly, moyes should've been sacked a long time ago or told he was leaving. I'm not shocked as this is how bad the club is run. I should be excited about this summer transfer window but as history has played out I'm not even bothered

[@Ligerpride]

I'm going to make an outlandish comment.......I don't think Alex Crooks really knows what happened.

[@Essydyk]

I think Moyes already has something lined up for the summer or else he would be making a lot more of a song and dance about how his time at West Ham ended. It's not really in his nature to be so easy-osy about being effectively sacked.

[@-The-Darkside]

He knows he'll be back in no time. He took the united sacking the same way. 😊

[@Canio567]

Well said Graeme Souness.

[@Thebearmre7]

Funny when Simon says “we know” cas he always says football peeps know more. Simon hates that kind of thing but he respects Graham so let’s it go lol

[@lfcspectre4335]

Sir Jordanite & Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts

[@Stiritup.]

Did Jim get his waistcoat from m and s like our Southgate

[@scatterthewinds3126]

west ham fans will come to regret this. Wouldn't be surprised if they're relegated within 5 years.

[@madderred4754]

Okay David Moyes

[@TheLunnyBear]

Does Alex purposely pull the most punch worthy expression he can?

[@garyjohnson3751]

Hopefully they can now play the West Ham way 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jonnyt271]

Graeme gets it

[@mollboy]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.........................MOVE ON !!!!! Ten Hag on his way out, talk about him.

[@Simko3426]

west ham needs PAOLO DI CANIO

[@gwhufc]

are we still talking about him......coyfi

[@davidryley4162]

Souness lived the life. Jordan is only about money

[@LoneWolfOfHouseStark1989]

Graeme Souness needs to take chill pills, lost his cool when discussing Rangers and clearly didn’t recover throughout rest of the show.

[@carlwoods640]

2 things can be true at once Your terrible to watch And he’s done a good job

[@DC-uf6ve]

Moyes didn't inherit a car crash but he's certainly left one behind. The squad is an absolute mess.

[@carlwoods640]

Jesus

[@DC-uf6ve]

@@carlwoods640 no he plays for arsenal, try to keep up Carl.

[@chills6566]

Absolutely! squad is a mess

[@carlwoods640]

@@DC-uf6ve nice edit

[@DC-uf6ve]

@@carlwoods640 oh look it's Carl! Share more of your wisdom with us! Pleeeaaassseeee?!

[@ronrammer4666]

Simon is just a 🛎️🔚

[@norwoodboy6048]

Yeah that would be the self made multi millionaire 🙄

[@johnnycotton3217]

So are you

[@jordanharrison8454]

@norwoodboy6048 I forgot rich people couldn't be 🔔🔚

[@ronrammer4666]

@@jordanharrison8454 apparently they can’t . Them self made ones are all perfect haha

[@norwoodboy6048]

@@jordanharrison8454 Clearly then you are rich as hell. nob

[@FelixGallardo1946]

Alex Crook just looks a complete mess. The state of him 😂

[@daviddenham1511]

Moyes…One of the last few decent , honest managers…..sad

[@daviddenham1511]

@@norvenleiter2963 and you know better than the manager!?…..grow up

[@pallavpurkayastha]

SJ representing owner’s association as per usual!

[@joefernandes4256]

Hmmmm. Doesn't he always ?

[@akwamarsunzal]

Shows what these two planks know eh! Moyes said there was a contract on the table in February and he was not going to sign it until he had chatted with Fergie, gone to the pub with Ali, seen what radio might take him, and on and on and on! Bye Dave!

[@stevenbhoy0147]

A potential 12th title in the past 13 years should tell you already the answer, But yes people will say Rangers was in the league below, So my answer to that is for the past decade Rangers have won 3 trophies whilst Celtic have won 24, Thats a pretty damming statistic for a so called “two horse race” and let’s not forget that’s with different managers players, I just find it so disingenuous to claim this is to do with managers with different players and just another excuse, So here’s a question Celtic this season have been 9 points ahead just before Christmas and went on a bad streak and Rangers saw that as an opportunity and got ahead with 3 points and fluffed it then Celtic managed to claw it back and still “potentially” win the title, Now you tell me do Rangers have that mental strength to do that If the roles were reversed? In Theory Celtic have to win 3 more trophies including this title to surpass Rangers of being the most successful team in Scotland with Rangers with 117 trophies and Celtic 115.

[@american.imperialism]

If Klopp is a genius, then Moyes is even better

[@DC-uf6ve]

Are you mental?

[@kylelacey8036]

Moyes i like him but I think he will manage a big club

[@chrisfranklin8985]

He will never manage a bigger club than WHUFC... and he's probably too old for The Mcdonalds management fast track scheme which is more his level....

[@kylelacey8036]

@@chrisfranklin8985 show some respect

[@jordanharrison8454]

We were as good as he could do

[@ParzifalPip]

BS

[@kylelacey8036]

@@ParzifalPip you can have your opinion

[@ParzifalPip]

West Ham going down after wronging their greatest manager. This will be a sweet relegation for the PLs most deluded fans!