Ridiculously Overpriced: Avowed?!

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I have been looking forward to Avowed for a long time but the other day Avowed was made availble for the first time for pre-order and they are charging a whopping 70 Euros for the normal on day one game and an insane 90 Euros for the Early Access version...and this is outrageous!

[@MathisGenest]

A game could come out flawless with a story better than rdr2 and graphics from 2070 ans some smelly unemployed gamer would still be like I ain’t paying 70$ 🧌

[@spellandshield]

I doubt this is true; plenty of games if so well developed would warrant the price but the real question is why Avowed merits it?

[@ViewtifulBeau]

Daddy chill. You're gonna buy it right? Have fun with it, it looks awesome.

[@spellandshield]

@@ViewtifulBeau I will son, I will..

[@celtic_wolf10]

Games coming out on gamepass day one. Just subscribe for a month, beat that maybe find another couple of games for that month and unsubscribe. Its a single player game so you aren't missing out if you decide to wait to own it later on. No game other than indies are coming out for less than 70. and yes I bought the 100 edition from gamestop for the map.

[@joh6629]

I have such a huge backlog of games i want to play, im just going in reverse order and playing games used or on sale

[@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou]

i am not paying 70$ anymore or 90$ that's almost worth a grocery price i will wait for sales

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

I'll get it on sale. I'll much sooner give my money to the Stalker 2 and Exodus devs.

[@mohammedabdul4832]

Just Pirate it

[@ashtonfrancis112]

I agree with you.

[@TailAbNormal]

check out "The Bloodline". It's early access, but it's basically Runescape + Skyrim. It's an open world RPG with a crapton of options to make your character and a bunch of interesting stuff to do. Plus it's only $20.

[@JonnyCrackers]

@@mohammedabdul4832 Exactly. That's what I'm going to do. If they can't give a fair price, I'm just going to play it for free.

[@Hekk.]

For a game that's supposedly as 'long' as The Outer Worlds, I'm not paying over double-or even triple-the price.

[@anthonymoore7648]

I downloaded it but is it a good game ? .. outer worlds

[@FaolanHart]

​@anthonymoore7648 It disappointed a lot of people due to the marketing. A lot of people where expecting a Fallout spiritual successor. But your choices are mostly meaningless & it's pretty short. It is a good game. They just gave people false expectations. It's more like Borderlands with better writing & a few more RPG mechanics.

[@Hekk.]

@@anthonymoore7648 You ain't missing out by not playing it.

[@anthonymoore7648]

@@Hekk. gotchu just was seeing which games to prioritize since I got the ps5 recently definitely getting outer worlds out the way first

[@JeremyRichard82]

​@@anthonymoore7648 The Outer Worlds is fantastic. I just finished up anther playthrough and I enjoy it each time. It is "Fallout Lite Easy Going." The Good: 1. Writing is top notch. 2. New IP worldbuilding. 3. Companions are excellent. 4. Gameplay is fluid and generally easy, even on "Supernova." (that may be a Con too) 5. Builds are fairly varied. Stealth Sniper, Science, Melee, Companion, Heavy Weapons/Armor. 6. Visuals and Sound are excellent. The Bad: 1. It is short, although with the 2 DLC it isn't as short as everyone tends to make out. 2. It doesn't have nearly as much choice and consequence as other similar titles. 3. Economy isn't interesting and "bits" (money) are easy to come by. 4. Story is a satire through and through. (that may be a Positive too) I highly recommend it.

[@MsRafaelRGO]

I hate this argument about how the price was "freeze" in place for so long....it complete ignore all the factors that made so the price would stay still, 1 - no more physical media, they literary have no limit for how many copies they can sell 2 - extremely cheaper price of distribution, the logistic cut alone! 3 - the buyer don't own the copy of the game and so they can't sell "used", which pretty much killed the reselling of games that was more "damaging" to the industry than piracy (believe it or not). 4 - they will cut the game into 3-4 peaces and sell it as "DLCs" What we are seen is a form of Game elitizations, the companies see their product as an "Premium" product, and want to sell only for a few millions for an extreme price, in their mind it lower the risk (since they have to sell less) and creates division in "quality" that they can exploit, they can than make smaller games with a lower budget and price for the usual $50 as an lower tier product. If you buy this, you are part of the problem and you can expect another hike in price next year.

[@SemperSalam]

I’ll play it on games pass but I would t spend more than $30 on this.

[@igorp.7853]

Don't forget, that amount of gamers in recent years, especially after the Corona epidemic, increased like crazy!

[@Cody-f5h9w]

Lmao there won’t be another price increase next year, and those cuts can’t last forever, inflation will still catch up

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

Don't forget that the gaming audience grew significantly over time as well, they have more potential customers!

[@raskolnikov6443]

You forget that even if you account for all of that, making AAA games is more expensive. Prices have come down a lot over the years adjusted for inflation. So no, the elite increase isn’t unreasonable at all. The problem is that many modern games suck though.

[@immutablecantrip]

This comes out a week after kingdom come deliverance 2, which will probably be 100+ hours and costs 59$

[@Shadows_Thoughts]

And 10 days before Monster Hunter Wilds. Over priced AND poorly timed is a recipe for a failed launch.

[@TehJaska]

Also, Warhorse has a proven trackrecord with KC:D and KC:D2 is looking to be more of a very good rpg. What is Microsoft even thinking, releasing them so close?

[@heman2379]

@@TehJaskayup exactly, kcd2 was going to be a better game to begin with. But given that it’s cheaper? Terrible launch timing

[@beethovenlivesupstairs4182]

@@heman2379 kcd2 being better? Are you a time traveler?

[@Bigjohn2121]

$53.99 USD pre-order sales right now.

[@Darkfie1d]

The regional pricing is so f*cked up! I can buy 2 copies of STALKER 2 with the base price of Avowed and still save some! RIDICULOUS!!!

[@spellandshield]

It is outrageous Lord of Persia!

[@eleongo]

The region pricing is so negligible compared to my currency like 10% difference from euro to myr, it's almost non existent.

[@Riri_734]

Its $99.90 here and $129.90 for premium edition. Just crazy.

[@Riri_734]

@@Lionel-Goodfellow Holyshit, that pricing is outrageous.

[@maxkahlow8622]

Pirate bay is getting very popular here

[@85RedGuy]

Totaly agree it's just anchoring to push people to game pass Some suits needs a boost in subscribers for a bonus

[@Tentacl]

And they will Obsidian to do that. Amazing.

[@TheMarcHicks]

@@Tentacl You think Obsidian really has a choice?

[@Tentacl]

@@TheMarcHicks they had a choice before being bought. Not anymore.

[@Thanosdidnothingwrong.]

I live in the Caribbean (TT). 90 euro converts to $646.38. I'm making A Vow to not purchase this game despite POE2 Deadfire being one of my top 5 favorite games. No way in fking hell that's happening.

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

"A Vow to not purchase this game" Why? Wait 1 year and buy it on sale. It's not that hard!

[@willywonka6487]

your disclosed bias is an excellent policy that sheds more light on if the viewer can relate positively or negatively.

[@vegassims7]

After this year's bombs, I will no longer PRE-Purchase games online. I will always wait until its been out a week or so and watch reviews by people I follow and NEVER what IGN tells me.

[@TheRealClaylex]

I'm 100% blaming Microsoft if the game sucks And by that I mean sales suck, if the game ACTUALLY sucks I'll blame Obsidian as well

[@spellandshield]

This is all on MS for sure.

[@FaolanHart]

This is just the pattern. *Indie company does really well & makes great games. *Indie company gets bought out by big brand. *Big brand exploits them & quality vanishes. *Key members of indie company leave & start their own indie company. *Rinse & repeat.

[@revben]

​@@FaolanHartWho has left?

[@FaolanHart]

@@revben No idea with Obsidian. I don't follow this stuff too closely. Possibly none at the moment. But that's typically how things go. Some will leave right away, some will leave after a few years, some will leave only when the ship is sinking. My comment is just about the pattern in how this tends to go.

[@bigsmoke167]

Bro just accept that Obsidian sucks now, Grounded is the only good game they made since New Vegas

[@dulon90]

Let's take a niche game series, radically change the genre and jack up the price, this is totally gonna work guys...

[@TheMarcHicks]

With thinking like that, you could be a Microsoft Executive 😆.

[@LiamFarleyMA]

Avowed isn't a pillar of eternity game, it's just set in the same world. The game was never intended as a sequel or entry in that series nor was it ever advertised as one. It's not even led by Josh Sawyer.

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

@@LiamFarleyMA Why are you commenting the exact same thing as OP?!? "Let's take a niche game series, radically change the genre"

[@LiamFarleyMA]

@@Varangian_af_Scaniae it's not part of the game series though, I don't see how that's confusing at all.

[@shaneriggs6678]

It kinda funny that prices finally started to shift right as the quality of triple AAA games has dropped off a cliff. Gaming Studio closing down like volatilon and most likely bioware ruined their reputation and brands like saints row reboot and dragon age vailguard

[@garycargill64]

I paid 60£ for veilguard and have 2 characters on the go. I will have put 80 hours into it by today. It's well worth it to me. Now, the argument for paying 100 pounds for a deluxe edition of Avowed is not the same.

[@wesbrannick8269]

​@@garycargill64cool I payed $100 for Elden Ring and it's DLC. Both individually far better than Veilgaurd. Fortunately they'll make more dark souls games. Can't say thr same for Dragon Age 😂😂😂

[@garycargill64]

@wesbrannick8269 lmfao. Oh, did those big, bad pronouns scare you. What a pathetic attitude. I dont like a game, so i hope it fails. Lmfao.

[@shippy1001]

$89.99 for Early Access. $19.99 for "12 months later" Access.

[@mejrikais6002]

Free on game pass

[@peterixxx]

@@mejrikais6002 yeah, no. I'm not going to give that business model any fuel.

[@Dmatrio]

What do you mean 12 months later?

[@mejrikais6002]

@@Dmatrio he mean cheaper after 12 month

[@Caladir]

It's 350pln here in Poland.... It's insane. It's more expensive than Monster Hunter Wilds, Kingdom Come Deliverence 2, God of War Ragnarok, Dragon Age veilguard etc etc. It has to be a bug, because if not, I have no idea, is it AAAA? like wtf...

[@85RedGuy]

Yup Will just get KCD 2 and skip Avowed A shame

[@KnightspaceORG]

Classic entitled corporations. They don't care and steam is also to blame for this. They refuse to adjust prices anymore, as well as update their exchange rates.

[@MrVad3r]

no they didnt keep regional pricing for this game. its usually up to devs if they want to have regional pricing.

[@KnightspaceORG]

@MrVad3r No it's not. A dev has to manually lower the pricing for a specific country, like it happened with Hades 2.

[@EuphoriaDeep]

Have you always wanted to work in the gaming industry? Well now you can! For only $20 extra, you can be a beta-tester! Act now!

[@winterweasel425]

As a fellow big fan of Eora, I ahve one thing to say. OH, MIGHTY GABE NEWEL, WARLOCK OF GAMING!! SUMMON FORTH THY STEAM SALES!

[@lordvonsteiner2452]

Fuck this. This is just exploiting people with too much money or people who have no self-control at this point. If this is the direction we're headed in i'm probably sticking to exclusively indie games in the future. I'm really starting to get sick of these companies.

[@Suzanne_sf]

Most people aren't made of money. This is taking advantage of people. I will wait for a sale. Thank you for the video. :)

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

This is really giving me second thoughts.

[@Baraborn]

Every AA studio this is not privately owned we should expect to loose funding and disappear. It's the nature of the industry right now. The name of the company and the property are "just names" the talent behind the games are real value makers.

[@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy]

lose

[@editorrbr2107]

Just holding out hope - the last of my hope - for Exodus.

[@SPOOKYTIMEZ2077]

Don’t sleep on KCD2

[@XGifuX]

Stalker 2 is coming out in like 8 days if ur into that kinda thing.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

There's also STALKER 2 and Astropulse.

[@doctorogre1777]

Here's hoping this game doesn't break your heart, brother. The Pillars setting bounced off me hard the over half dozen times that I've tried it, and the characters of Avowed give me "soft modern" red flags. But western RPGs need a W about now, and I hope Pillars fans don't get burned.

[@FaolanHart]

I've been cautious about this for a while. Whole thing felt like a suit decision over an artistic one from the start. I hope it's good. But this ridiculous price is just another red flag.

[@tni333]

Yeah I’ll wait for reviews. The quality in writing already declined from pillars 1 to pillars 2 to outer worlds. I still hold out hope for obsidian, but it’s fully possible avowed will be their veilguard.

[@Solemn-h6v]

At this point Microsoft is treating its AA studios like an older brother hitting his younger brother in the face with his own hands while saying "why are you hitting yourself" until the studio is forced to close down from not meeting expectations.

[@eran5005]

I backed both PoE games in their crowd funding, the guys at Obsidian are my favorite developers. 70 Euro is too much, 90 is robbery, i will not give them a pass for shitty business practices, no matter how much i like them and how much i truly admire their work. This is a line in the sand, and us gamers have been failing to uphold it for almost 2 decades now, leading to lootboxes, microtransactions, day 1 DLC, live service in games it has no business being one, games releasing in abominable half-coked state, predatory mobile games, scam crowd funding projects and the list goes on. Voting with our wallets is the only real power we have, devs and publishers have been walking all over us because we can’t seem to behave like adults with patience and impulse control. Avowed is not more important than my principles.

[@E.S.86]

Amen dood

[@MrErick1160]

The gaming industry is litteraly shitting on people's face, and laughing

[@kkplx]

lovely video fellow thinker

[@joethealternativegamer3935]

Great points and discussion here! Spot on about making it more to make the player want to jump on game pass. Get you on it and then forget about it like a gym membership! I will admit something like alpha protocol was 10-15 hours and highly replyable and totally worth it :)

[@josecruz8803]

I hate that people keep calling this "[X] days early access", when the reality is that they have the game available to be played on the day the supposed early access starts. There is no reason the game can not launch to the masses on that day. No, that extra 20 dollars is so you can play at launch. And if you didn't pay the extra money then you get to play it 5 days after the launch. This is a basic salesman scam practice. Also, I agree the price on this game is very disappointing. I'm not sure why they think this is a $70 game when it feels more like a modern $50 game.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Its how I felt about Starfield.

[@Tate_THG]

Don’t blame Xbox, blame obsidian. Avowed wasn’t made for us Pillars fans it was made to appeal to a broader audience.

[@FaolanHart]

I love Pillers & I love Skyrim. But I don't want Pillars to become Skyrim. I hate how every game series needs to be dumbed down to appeal to the most number of people possible. It's like watering down alcohol because more people can handle water.

[@LiamFarleyMA]

You realize that they don't just get infinite funding to make whatever right? Like if they wanted to make pillars 3 instead of avowed Xbox wouldn't have allocated the same resources bc it wouldn't sell as well.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Xbox is trash. Even though Snoy is incapable of having a soul, the Xbox is completely clueless and without initiative and planning. Obsidian is, like other companies, a shadow of its former self, but I doubt the price is on them.

[@typethings4624]

I blame PlayStation 😂

[@raskolnikov6443]

How do you know?

[@G0ML666]

After wukong I refuse to pay for anything over $60. Just like how we combat woke with boycott to send a message. We can do the same for greedy companies.

[@raskolnikov6443]

$70 for a great and big AAA game is not too much IMO. Too bad many AAA games aren’t good. Also WuKong was developed in China so their Development costs (wages) are much lower. Their living costs are lower as well. So of course they can produce cheaper AAA games.

[@G0ML666]

@@raskolnikov6443 cost of production has no bearing on price of the game. If the industry standard is $60 then they have to stick to it to be competitive. Its when customers let them get away with charging more then they charge more. Much like what happened to concord the customers decide what sells not the developer or reviewers.

[@toma.7065]

You are absolutly right. Thanks for the vid!

[@roserainier5917]

I refuse to pay more than $60 plus tax for any game. This is ridiculous.

[@fafnir3174]

In Fitgirl we trust

[@Zgryz00]

what the .....k?!

[@Oggre]

I got the feeling this game will flop...

[@nenadmilovanovic5271]

It could be good but it is much different from what they promised. First screenshots and art showed dark world and massive dungeons like pillars of eternity. Now we see it is a much more colorful and maybe lighthearted adventure which threw a lot of people off.

[@rogerreyne1877]

​@@nenadmilovanovic5271 Never cared about the Living Lands, it would be much cooler if game was set in Readceras with it theocratic vibe.

[@ponli7532]

It's getting Veilguardarded. Tonal shift to a female YA audience.

[@nenadmilovanovic5271]

@@rogerreyne1877 yeah I would be down to have pillars 1 just remade as an action rpg. Maybe a bit smaller in scale.

[@debrickashaw9387]

That is what they fucking get for going the arpg skyrim route. Looks so uninspired and sloppy.

[@TourFaint]

This game is more expensive than my phone...

[@MrDrekki]

i agree 100% although steam is actual ownership, even if banned, you can play your games offline and still download them, also steam is the only platform to my knowledge with a infinite license that can't be broken by the license provider (Steam in that case), only by you, and it's the only platform with a DRM killswitch ( the thing that allows you to play your games offline ) meaning that if steam was ever to go down or out of business you'd be able to download the raw files of all your games, like a GOG copy. Now it's not perfect, you'd need weeks to download everything, so the earlier the notice from steam the better and you'd also need a shit ton of hardware space, but still. It's not something Epic is willing to do, nor ubisoft for exemple.

[@RebeccaRuth-d2t]

Quick question. Are these new games going to be playable on Windows 10 or does one have to give into the pressure and purchase an entirely new rig to do anything new? I don't play with controllers, so I've bought, downloaded, and then had to return games that will only work with controllers. It just seems kind of ridiculous that the new games cannot be made to fit all platforms of play styles. Or am I missing something and just stuck in my ways?

[@ginacirelli1581]

Windows 10 will be supported for another year.

[@spellandshield]

Yeah, you have another year probably.

[@RebeccaRuth-d2t]

@@ginacirelli1581 Thank you. That sucks lol.

[@sweargaming666]

This game looks really good. I can't remember the last game released that I've been willing to pay full price to get...it's probably been a good 15 years or more and it was probably one of the earlier DA games. The only way to stop corporate gouging is not to participate, so where I have PS Plus (and might get Game Pass for PC later this month), there is zero chance I will ever be paying full price for any new released game ever again.

[@marionunes86]

These prices are usually global. People being fine paying these crazy prices forget about being mindful of others in different countries where pay rates are way lower. I myself am not a "smelly unemployed gamer" but since my dad no longer swipes the credit card for me, i still have to be considerate of the money i spend on my hobbies if i wanna be able to put food on my table.

[@ERBaruin]

I just checked steam, it says 42 USD for the Standard and 54 USD for the Premium Edition

[@Narniak69]

For the past year I have not paid a penny out-of-pocket for Game Pass. In fact, I earned enough reward points for my $20 GP ultimate sub every month, with enough cumulative points left over to buy the following games outright when they were on sale: Kingdom Come Deliverance, royal edition Mass Effect Trilogy, legendary edition Metro Trilogy, Redux + Exodus Titanfall 2 Valheim Vampire Survivors + all DLC

[@oceanstone5223]

One other interesting thing is that its coming out on blizzard's battle net launcher too. Still more excited about this game than anything as a pillars acolyte.

[@piratbarnaba]

In Poland, we will pay 349 PLN, ( 80 EUR), for the standard edition of the game on Steam

[@SPOOKYTIMEZ2077]

KCD2 is my only hope right now.

[@spellandshield]

Take heart Lord Spooky, it might still work out!

[@SPOOKYTIMEZ2077]

@@spellandshield True, I might just get it on Game pass or wait for sale. Or hopefully the price goes down.

[@SPOOKYTIMEZ2077]

@@spellandshield You’re right. Gotta stay at least cautiously optimistic. That price is crazy for a game that’s supposed to be as long as The outer worlds. I like the outer worlds and I’m hopeful for its sequel but no way would I spend $70 or god forbid $90 on it. I’ll either get this on gamepass or wait for sale if the price doesn’t go down.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

There are already channels with fat troons trying to force the devs to put black dudes on it.

[@katalinkoszegine4268]

Love the PoE games, love Obsidian, truly want to support and show care for the developers - but I just simply cannot afford the full price. I will definitely look for a discount on key sites like Instant Gaming. Looking forward to your vids and reviews about the game.

[@LiamFarleyMA]

It's day one gamepass, probably expensive bc they know most people will just use gamepass so the sales will be low regardless.

[@katalinkoszegine4268]

@@LiamFarleyMA You know, that saddens me even more.

[@Slyslug]

i was gonna pay like 70 or 60 canadian for it and even then it was simply because i want to support competition against bethesda. not 90 though, and given their last game idk anymore. edit" its on gamepass so i wasnt buying it regardless i suppose.

[@Slyslug]

@KimAlmighty1 wait you're right, damn

[@Joshcoshbagosh]

@@Slyslug its always funny when Obsidian fans that wanna stick it to Bethesda realize they are both under the same umbrella now and it doesn't matter anymore lmao. It kind of works though since Obsidian maybe has found a niche that works for them in offering a smaller and more focused experience that has some Bethesda vibes, as opposed to the more vast sandboxy thing

[@johnwayne4911]

are we really expecting anything more than veilguard 2.0 here?

[@ZodiacTatoo]

Honestly, no I’m personally not. I’m expecting Outerworlds with a medieval fantasy theme instead of Sci-Fi theme and the honestly that is not worth $90 either. If you already have game pass tho, this game probably be worth playing but it’s definitely not worth $90 unless that comes with a decently sized DLC with it and even then it’s questionable.

[@viamdolor9226]

Not really, no. I didn't even know there were devotees of Eora in the first place because the writing of both PoE1 and PoE2 is clownish with very little charm or novelty and I'm expecting it to be even worse in Avowed.

[@Pio-f8n]

​@@viamdolor9226First PoE had characters written by Chris Avellone and they were very good.

[@ZodiacTatoo]

@@viamdolor9226 This exactly. I enjoy most medieval fantasy games but objectively Dragon Age has a bigger and stronger standing in the gaming industry so it makes sense when they fumble it turns into a controversy while Avowed technically is new and radically different experience compared to PoE. I never looked at Avowed and expected record breaking story telling and dialogue that’s on par or better with Dragon Age but the recent Dragon Age fumbled so bad that Avowed has a decent chance of being better but not world shattering. But also the way the people who worked on Avowed express how the story and companion relationships should be done (Basically saying that if you can’t make something like romance as good as BG3, then you should just drop that aspect and focus on what you are good at) the game seems to also be made with a different philosophy as well. We will see tho.

[@toelintetch635]

it's $120 in Australia, when I went to my steam to wishlist it I physically recoiled from the screen when I saw the pricing.

[@JimUK]

It's £80 for the premium one in the UK, the equivalent of €95 which I refuse to pay for a game. Poland has got it pretty bad, they're being asked for the equivalent of €104.

[@robustdelirium9277]

“Games being $60 for so long is unfair to developers”, is a fallacy. Any one that says this is either disingenuous or ignorant. Game publishers and devs have been finding ways to monetize their product for years. Things like day one DLC, season passes, price hike “early access/ premium editions”. And lets be honest here. Sixty bucks got you way more back in the day. You got the game disc, the container which often had neat box art, and a game manual (showing my age here) that often also had neat art in it as well as a lot of useful information. That all cost the dev money in materials. Plastics, and paper and manufacturing costs to press and burn data onto discs and print booklets and box art. Yet the product remained $60 and the dev made profit. Now the industry expects $70 to $100+ for a digital product that costs nothing to reproduce because there’s nothing physical about it. Any one remember in the mid 2000s when there was a push for digital products and one of the promises was that because they didn’t have to print discs and boxes and such, that they would be cheaper to buy? What happened to that? Greed. The video game industry is one if the most if not the most profitable industry on the planet right now. All this talk about “games are too cheap for how expensive they are to produce” is just a lie. As for Avowed. I like RPGs like this and already have game pass, so I’ll definitely end up playing it. And if I like it enough to want to own a copy and not simply digital access to a limited copy on a subscription service, I’ll buy a copy cheap when it’s on sale. That’s what I do with most games I want these days.

[@Hrafnskald]

I hear you, and you make some good points. For my part, I'll be buying and likely pre-ordering. I don't like how Microsoft is using this to promote Gamepass...but I would rather overpay for Avowed than not have Avowed released. And to be honest, as great as Pillars 1 and 2 were, there was no plans for a sequel because of low sales, until Microsoft stepped in. I don't like this dynamic, but I'm willing to pay the higher prices to get this game.

[@spellandshield]

I understand Lord Raven Skald; I am sort of in the same boat...

[@paulkenyon1830]

Woke: I won’t be buying it.

[@morisakukatsumon5967]

Both previous pillars games were crowdfunded. this is not a triple a developer working on this title and it should not be priced as such. Number one. number 2, as is tradition now, the game is finished and has a lot of content that will be cut only to be released later down the line as "new content" in a roadmap. I can literally taste the blood in the water. EDIT: Unfortunately, I will no longer be playing avowed, The tactics Microsoft is using to funnel users into its tripe of a gaming hub service, all the while overpricing the game on third party publishers like steam on top of deliberately cutting content in order to release something akin to a battle pass or roadmap to milk the players is...condemnable. Obsidian, whether through ignorance or hubris, chose microsoft. The players will choose their sanity.

[@nickrubin7312]

Ah, yes, predatory fake early access strikes again

[@Sammy-qx5mx]

I'll pick it up on a steep steam sale. Did the same for outer worlds and did not regret it.

[@asahira7834]

The Outer Worlds was also a smaller AA project. Something that the developers admitted themself. Yet it did not stop them or Microsoft, to sell it as a full AAA release for 60$+(depending on region). Same with other similar AA projects from other companies. Namco/SE are also a fantastic example of this trend. Most of their recent releases are AA games, yet they want 70$ for most of them now. Used to be 60$, before Sony started the trend. Even smaller indy games raised their prices because of it. Then you have the CEO of Capcom/Take 2 talking about games being too cheap, 70$ is too little for them, and they want you to pay 100$ for the standard edition. While still keeping all of the additional transactions in their games. Look how mad Bethesda is at the players that still play Skyrim to this day. They hate it, so much hours in that game, and they have no way to monetize it. So the next best thing is to force ppl in to a subscription based gaming. Then you have to pay them monthly. Older games, new games, it does not matter, as long as they will have a guaranteed income scheme. Then they will just rise the prices of these services till the market crashes. And start again when it happens.

[@XBullitt16X]

Microsoft really does want their games to fail lmao, never paid 70 bucks for a game and will never have to thanks to steam, i always buy on sales.

[@monkeylungs3479]

Game companies thrive off of taking advantage of their most ardent supporters. If you provide maximum customer support by pre-ordering ir buying at launch, and thus giving the development company maximum financial support, you ultimately get the WORST DEAL. You get the game prior to being patched. You pay max price. You get nothing that someone who waits for a sale doesn't get, except for maybe some pre-order incentives.

[@alexalexander1772]

The Icewind dale 2 preorder had a cloth map and character cards. My kid is using the map in the adventure he’s dm’ing and the my drow character card from 20 years ago.

[@tiagobrizida966]

I think Avowed is being set up to fail, first they decide on a February 25 release which is stacked with so many other big releases including Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and now they are charging 70 euros. At this moment if I would have to pick where to spend 70 euros I would choose KCD 2, that said I hope that Avowed does well otherwise Obsidian might be in trouble

[@gottinrod]

349,99 for it in Brazil. Third largest gaming market and overall internet market on the world (west hemisphere). Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

[@cafespy6906]

I love the series but I can’t do that. I will be waiting 1 or even 2 years .

[@jolintropitantos2511]

Nah Kingdom Come deliverance is the goat of that month or maybe of the year!!

[@ArksideGames]

Inflation is a bad argument for price rise, when salaries have not gone up.

[@Beto.oliveira96]

Today I woke up and got a huge shock when I saw the price of this game. Just like you, I'm a big fan of the Eora universe. I was a little hyped for Avowed, but now with this price, I confess that I'm a little discouraged. I'll probably have to pay for the GamePass, but I hate the idea of ​​not owning the game. I'm a big fan of Steam because of the collection of games and achievements, as well as cloud saves. The worst part is that Avowed's marketing is ridiculous or almost non-existent. Very few people will buy it.

[@N7Nilus]

The game should cost $40 for the standard edition and $80 for a supporter pack with early access.

[@markosz22]

I used to look down on game pass, but with how gaming is nowadays, where most games are at best a 1 play-through, it looks like a good deal. It's not like you actually own the games you buy. Instead of spending $50-$70 buying a game, I can just spent $10 for a month then cancel it, and play a couple of games that I put on my list.

[@AlexIncarnate911]

Microsoft is going to destroy Obsidian.. this is just the beginning

[@Radnezorth]

Multiple times people with early access had the "beta tester" experience, but given that the publishers are still pushing this garbage, there are people that still buy into this. At this point I have no idea why people are doing it...

[@Art0r1a]

I'll just wait to buy the deluxe edition for 50 EUR and will even have a better experience, since by that time there will be - probably - fewer bugs. It's a win-win for me.

[@nicholasturbide4677]

Although I agree with the dislike of the price increases in recent video games... Game length is not really a great metric to measure a game's worth. e.g. AC Valhalla - being the prime example of random fluff bumping up completion time for the game. If the game is 20-30 hours (assuming a non-completionist playthrough) of some of the best story and/or gameplay I've seen, I'm entirely fine with paying a decent price. But failing to be either of them will heavily impact my decision. In any case, I'll be sticking to reviews from trusted sources before buying anyway.

[@Jerimiaz]

$120 CAD for 5 days early access... or $90 base price? I don't think so.

[@bruvkek4629]

im afraid it might have similar vibes to veilguard, in which case price is irrelevant

[@RaveMasterSRB]

My suggestion is to move all development to Eastern Europe and Balkans to cut cost and make games by people with core European mentality (what you call in US non-WOKE but still not to alien like Asian games), those games would be modern but close to game made in US in 90s and early 2000s.

[@ViewtifulBeau]

I have such a backlog i never have to pay full price unless I want to. Like, I haven't played Doom Eternal but i can get it for 5 dollars on Steam sale whenever its available. Whether I wait or not, a game will have good or bad sales regardless of my day 1 purchase. So i wait when I'M ready.

[@DaoistYeashikAli]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 took me 145 hours to complete with around 85-90% (also used save anytime mod). The sequel will be way bigger and more dense. This game don't even stand a chance against KCD 2

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

The last games I bought were FNV and Darkness Dungeon back in 2022. Since then I prefer to spend a small fortune on books and workout equipment. For me to buy a game these days they really have to earn it and it has to be something I want to play over and over again.

[@danielchavez9367]

That is a lot of money for an AA game. The thing that worries me more is the game director Carrie Patel she is as DEI, SJW. This will absolutely affect the game and the writing. I think i will wait to see more.

[@micasa8421]

Pillars of Ethernity 2 Deadfire was one of my favorites. I think I'm in the minority of people who kept up with this game, I didin't really liked in this style, but i thought i'd try it out. But I'm not paying 90$ nor 70$ at most I'm willing to spend 40$

[@Myneghon]

It's beyond frustrating to see a game set in a universe I love, that already has had issues generating any sort of mainstream hype, hobbled by crappy corporate business practices that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual game. 😭

[@xbmarx]

I think you're right. Microsoft has little incentive to offer good deals when they want to drive people to subscription/gamepass, and inflation in general is absurd anyway so corpos want to raise prices to match. I don't think this is Obsidian's fault and I think AAA games will start being $70+ standard.

[@raskolnikov6443]

KCD2 base game is $59,99 and will have more content.

[@Brandon-a4]

The early access or play it 5 days early is a Microsoft thing. Look at Starfield, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle and now Avowed. They all have a premium edition with playing early as the selling point. It's to get more money out of people even gamepass subcribers who can upgrade for like 20-30$ on top of the subcription. They also did it for Forza and previous games.

[@Odder-Being]

They didn't let them record the character creation because there is for sure body type A-B

[@MennydorgesERArchive]

Don’t worry, Europe is already getting scammed AAA wise, the price has jumped to 80 Euros, and mind you, a single Euro is worth around 1.10-13 American dollars

[@spellandshield]

Where exactly? I live in Europe and it shows up as 70 or 90 Euros depending on the version?

[@MennydorgesERArchive]

@@spellandshieldNot all companies started this, but there’s a growing list of them doing it this gen, unfortunately, recent examples on the ps5 are dragonball sparking zero, diablo 4, ea sports fc 24, star wars jedi survivor 2 hogwards legacy (this one at 75 euros instead of 80 though), avatar frontiers of pandora, gran turismo 7, battlefield 2042, ghost of tsushima, demon souls remake etc

[@petemisc4291]

This game is like a the Outer Worlds, not long but with a huge price, it’s the $MS effect

[@Kross415]

From what I've heard and seen I don't even think the game it's going to be worth 70 bucks. It seems like a 40-50 dollars title to me.

[@Deshxnnn]

I just wish they would have an actual physical release

[@Smaug84]

I own both PoE and PoE II. Pretty outrageous for this to be $70 USD when it's a AA game. I might add arguing prices should rise due to inflation when rent, groceries, etc. are going up while wages aren't is some bullshit. This is going to push piracy way more than people want to admit.

[@wesbrannick8269]

Just remember Shadow of Erdtree was $40 on release.

[@fremduk]

It's not that bad for a brand new decent AAA game Steam price in UK is £59.99 for Standard and £79.99 for premium ( including up to 5 days early access) so it's standard AAA game price in 2024. In 2007 AAA game average cost was around £49.99-59.99. Minimum wage was around £4.95 so it's not that bad considering that in 2024 AAA games cost £60-80.00 considering minimum wage being over £12.00 /H. Development of game is dependent on many factors: * Where game studio is based ( staff cost / rent cost / utility....) * Length of development / size of product... So think that its more of issues with prices localisation or rather lack of it ...

[@fenrir607]

These prices are absurd. I spent the amount of the base game on a bunch of groceries, and the industry expects us just go along with it? Unbelievable.

[@v2occy809]

Preparing for the incoming tariffs.

[@AlaiasAlias]

Pretty sure this is Veilguard 2 with slightly better writing, and we got Veilguard 3: fable on the way too🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@spellandshield]

I really doubt that. Have you played Pillars of Eternity?

[@andrei-cezarodoroaga7960]

Yeah cuz that tactic worked so well for ubisoft

[@RunesandReapers]

to be fair games have really priced at stagnant price for a long time. We should look to quality and i guess time as opposed to just cost. 40 hours is more than enough.

[@MagnustheRad]

Ubisoft did the same thing, it's anti consumer. its also silly for MS to do this seeng as there's a ton of great games coming to gamepass, the lineup for Q4 2024 and Q1 2025 would be more than enough to push gamepass.

[@Baustakar]

crazy. Games are even too cheap considering inflation. What a crazy statement to make. Buy the standard for 69 or leave it be. The prices won't go down. This is a no drama. Especially for 40-50 hours of gameplay. That's 1,72 per hour.