June 2024 six year update with 350 hrs now. This spring repair is still holding.
@clintstevenson1214 Жыл бұрын
That is EXACTLY what that spring is for. Tightens up linkage slop to help prevent surging. Thanks for the video
@AbalengHero4 жыл бұрын
My husband has been teaching me how to fix things.. Hes at work today and I was to mow.. Unfortunately I havent been taught about the Snapper we have, but thanks to this video I was able to see our "slop spring" has been disconnected and could be my problem today. Lord willing that fixes it, and my husband will return from work and see his wife didnt need him to show her how this time 😍
@davedennis60424 жыл бұрын
Your husband is a lucky man.
@rottiesdad4 жыл бұрын
@@davedennis6042 Agreed!
@ellikerdonald56603 жыл бұрын
marry me!
@greglawson80012 жыл бұрын
Wow he is lucky
@NoURider4 ай бұрын
Is it a red snapper 😏
@morriswaller59522 жыл бұрын
Must have spent 4-5 hours off and on trying to figure out why my Kohler 19hp started surging. Your video was the only one I found that talked about the governor spring. I re-connected it and problem solved. Your videos are very high quality, clear and concise. Thank You! Your time and effort in producing these videos are much appreciated!
@edmckinney8457 Жыл бұрын
My D105 John Deere developed this issue after 1 year of ownership. Small Engine repair claimed it needed a new carb that cost $350.00 bucks. I wouldn't pay so I lived with the misfire and surging for a couple of grass cutting seasons. I finally ordered a carb through Amazon for $25.00 dollars and 6 weeks later from China I put it on. Still had the same issue so I checked the Governor linkage and adjusted. Run's great now. I retired recently from my 45 year career repairing Industrial Machinery and Electronics. Now I have time to repair my own stuff. Not get ripped off by unscrupulous small engine shops.
@LOOSE-WHEELS4 ай бұрын
I have the D110 with same issue and only 45 hrs on it. Not making Deeres like they used to for sure,.1 tire on front dry rotted already. ignition replaced, sad fact.Update, this did fix my issue ^5 to the poster!
@zarb884 жыл бұрын
Im really not sure what this spring is for, i really dont know. How wonderfully refreshing. A man who doesnt have to pretend he knows everything but knows enough to get the job done.
@mattnichols44934 жыл бұрын
I was so mad with my lawnmower i almost pushed it by the road and got rid of it. You video saved me thankyou!!
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped.
@jm15517014 ай бұрын
Great close ups, and good explanation of the issues, sometimes it is the simplest fix's that are overlooked. This was a great tutorial, Thank you.
@Rchelicopterfun4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@boblowrey82662 жыл бұрын
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE FIX! THE GOVERNOR SPRING IS ESSENTIAL! I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT UNTIL IT FIXED MINE! NOW SHE'S SMOOTH AS GLASS!!! THANK YOU MR. SALT!!!
@outfoxedgameingfgg72132 жыл бұрын
You literally have no idea how much you helped me, we spent a hours upon hours and it was literally so easy. Thanks again keep it up.
@Rchelicopterfun2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! 🙂
@RickyPisano5 жыл бұрын
I'll be darned!! I have a Kohler Courage 19 HP and this is EXACTLY what was wrong. I reattached it and it's running beautifully now. Incredible!! Talk about a quick fix!!! Awesome!! THANKS!!!!
@DtoTha2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I've been trying to figure out if I could just bend that and replace it I have a break in the same spot and you're the only found that said so. It is used to return the throttle rod (Governor lever) back to close/start to prevent it from staying open causing potential surging and other throttle related issues.
@Rchelicopterfun2 ай бұрын
Yep stretching it a bit and putting a new hook in the end works fine and it's still working fine all these years later. BTW - this tiny spring has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of throttle return; if it did, the carburetor wouldn't close back to idle when the tiny spring breaks. The throttle/governor return spring is much beefier and is located on the governor arm. This tiny spring's only purpose is to take slack out of the throttle linkage at the carburetor as the linkage hole wears larger over time, causing the butterfly to fluctuate as many others have correctly pointed out in the comments.
@airforcegamer822 жыл бұрын
i almost ripped the carburetor off, decided to look up the symptoms and found this video...thanks, saved me a lot of unnecessary work...my spring wasn't broke though it was just gummed up and stuck...i played around with it and now the surging has stopped :)
@Rchelicopterfun2 жыл бұрын
Glad the "easy spring" fix was the cure by freeing it up. I never thought of that also causing it, but it makes sense. A stuck/gummed up spring would have the same effect as a broken or missing one - no tension to take up slop in the linkage. Thanks for sharing 👍
@hans-jurgenwiegand74654 жыл бұрын
I was so tired from working in the garage, that I fell asleep watching it the first time! You definitely caught my interest, so when I woke up, I watched it again, was very impressed, & subscribed & liked your video! I’ve always been better @ breaking things, than fixing things, from lack of knowledge & a good teacher. I think this is a great video, thanks!👍🏻
@randyreader4520 Жыл бұрын
That's called a surge spring,commom issue broken off,theres only a few things that cause surge
@winfordnettles3292 Жыл бұрын
My 1980 Craftsman GT18 began having the same problem as described in the video a couple of weeks ago. I tried all the common fixes, flushing and cleaning the fuel system, replaced the filter, fresh fuel, checked the spark plugs, checked the air filter, etc. Now, after watching this video, I realize that I might have missed this dampening spring. I hope this works, as I love my GT18. Thanks again for posting.
@ChristopherJones16 Жыл бұрын
Same, but I wasnt missing the spring connection. Everyone says to buy a B&S OEM carb for $100. Cost is 5x more than generics, but guaranteed to not surge like the new generics can.
@handsomeyousy5 жыл бұрын
Incredibly rescue!! I have a Honda HRR 216vka, was doing fine until the other day I pushed it deep into bushes then it started surging high and low. I already called warranty but saw your video last night so I checked it today, exactly same issue due to a spring not attaching anywhere. Took me 2 seconds to figure out where to attach it back. Thank you soooooo much for your video!!
@hawkenman.5494 жыл бұрын
You just taught me a $100.00 dollar lesson. Thank you my brother.
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Glad to be helpful.
@shack6111 Жыл бұрын
Even after watching your video AND Looking at my machine, I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out WHAT does that spring even do? But I tell Ya, JOHN, You nailed it!! Sure nuff, I did exactly what you did and the revving stopped. THANK YOU --- THANK YOU --- THANK YOU !!!!!
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
Yep, it's a common issue & glad to hear this was the easy fix on yours too. The spring is taking out slop that develops in the linkage rod between the governor arm and carburetor throttle plate arm so it (the throttle plate) can't "flutter". The spring has little effect when the machines are new (why some comments are adamant the spring does bugger all) but as they age and the pushrod holes ovalize from vibration wear, the throttle hunting/surging really starts showing up in the low to mid throttle range if that spring is missing or busted.
@1973chevycar3 жыл бұрын
Good sir, I just bought a new husqvarna 22 horse riding mower and I've got less then 3 hours on it and it started to do the surging thing. I watched at LEAST 20 different videos and after I watched yours, I went out to see if that was the problem. As it turns out, ( and I have no IDEA what I did, but just by loosing up the top cover, and pushing the arm around a little, I tried starting it up and BAM: no more surging. I haven't the foggiest ideal what I did, but THANK YOU for suggesting the wire thing. I'm now a very HAPPY PERSON.
@Rchelicopterfun3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you got your new machine sorted. Don't you love those repairs where you can't find a bloody thing wrong, but after putting it back together it works fine. Almost sounds like something might have been sticking? Hope it continues to work well now. 👍
@am60664 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr. Salt for your video and thanks to Exinanition for your excellent explanation; my Kawasaki went into the permanent idle mode while mowing at full throttle ( I am a one-man, self employed landscaper), after a visual inspection, I saw the broken end of the spring hanging down and after pulling on the spring, engine revved up. Found some plyers, bent the spring and attached it to a screw hole; finished the mowing job and loaded the mower. Thank again guys! (and AbalengHero, God bless you; your husband is a lucky man!)
@hamoonkts71443 жыл бұрын
I bet you small engine shops suggested that Lousy spring in metal connections. And they can fix it for $500. $200 part and $300 labour. Scam.
@gregfair94554 жыл бұрын
John, dude! THANKS! - I had the same exact problem on a John Deere LA115, saw your video and just stretched the spring a little and... Vwa-Lah, the engine stutter went away, like magic! Thanks a million!
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Glad yours was an easy "slop spring fix" as well.
@KenTeagueIpswich5 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem with a Craftsman Lawn Tractor, Briggs & Stattron engine, made the same repair as your video. The wire spring in my machine is far thinner than in your video. Won't have looked for that issue without this! Thanks
@richardkrasicki60865 жыл бұрын
I also have the same engine and carby in a MTD, it was running very rough and surging too, i did re adjust that spring, it helped a little, but the major improvement was, cleaning the flywheel and magneto/coil contact area, from rust and the build up of other crap, now it starts straight away and idles and revs very smooth.. i did notice on your video that your flywheel has a lot of rust build up too. I seems that keeping the flywheel ,magneto/coil contacts clean, is overlooked by many..
@daveycrockett645 жыл бұрын
Are you sure about that? As long as it is grounded well, from my limited understanding of how it works, I wouldn't expect it to make any difference.
@thisislargemouth55664 жыл бұрын
That's not how magnets work my friend. I'm not saying nothing changed after you did this but I don't think this was the reason.
@cjoakman77153 жыл бұрын
the rust will not affect your mower unless it has built up so much that it starts hitting the coil legs or caused the magnets to weaken somehow.
@DWinnie672 жыл бұрын
@@cjoakman7715 THE main cause of a surge is a lack of fuel , most likely in the float bowl or main jet area, clean it and put a new filter on and fire it up!
@michaelcre82 жыл бұрын
This would make sense if the problem is the engine overheating because the rust makes the iron hotter. I wonder if that's the problem I'm having.
@whwoods15 жыл бұрын
Kawasaki FH680V This was exactly my issue. Thanks for posting this quick fix. Worked like a charm.
@mikejohnson91185 жыл бұрын
HOLY SHEET! I can't get over how clean the lawnmower is. I mean that is better than new from the factory. Weird.
@DIYVariety11 ай бұрын
Lol had to laugh at your comment, i was thinking same thing
@NoURider4 ай бұрын
City mowers never get dirty, lucky ducks in that regard 🙂
@loganbarker3283 ай бұрын
You should see mine! It’s a 2007 and looks brand new. I also have a 1984 John Deere 216 that is completely original and still looks new.
@bobsaduwaji18665 жыл бұрын
Hey, The spring is for preventing the left and right motion of the carburetor flap which causes the surging/hunting movement of the lawnmower
@densocling12354 жыл бұрын
Well, after I tried loosening the gas cap, put in a new fuel filter, a new fuel pump and a new carburettor, I checked the fuel hoses and they were clear. So I checked 12 volts to the solenoid. It was there and steady - no bad connection. I was out of ideas and then thought of one more. Can I blow air into the gas tank? Nope, it was clogged tight. I used compressed air to blow it clear and now it finally runs like new.
@douglasthompson9516 Жыл бұрын
What was clogged?
@marymathis92994 жыл бұрын
Looking at the comments made to your video, l surmise you are a lawn mower HERO! Thanks for the trouble of posting this! Much appreciated! 🛴🚲🛵🏍🏎🚗🚒🚌🚜⚡️💫💥👍❤️👏👏👏👏👏💥🇺🇸
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@louisandrus85323 жыл бұрын
I have
@SteveBueche10274 жыл бұрын
My new JD is doing this with only 4 hours on it! Will check for the same issue. My old Ariens run like a champ for 6 years without issue. I just gave it to my daughter for the JD. now I want to trade back.
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing it's something else being that new as it's unlikely the anti-slack spring has failed already or that there is much slop in the linkage/pushrod yet; but it's an easy first check before digging deeper. Keeping fingers crossed it's an easy fix.
@jimklebes57905 жыл бұрын
Great post John Salt. I have a John Deere LA110 that recently could not handle an increased engine load. I replaced the spark plug, fuel filter and air filter. I also removed the fuel shut off solenoid from the carburetor fuel bowl and tested it but that did not resolve the engine load problem. I found your post and decided to remove the engine hood and the governor spring was broken! I repaired the spring and the engine is now running normal under a load. I wish I had removed the engine hood earlier because I also discovered the engine fins were clogged with debris. I purchased my John Deere LA110 in 2007 and I maintain it myself according to the manufactures schedule. My John Deere LA110 with 700 hours of use has been a workhorse. I use it to mow 2 acres and clear snow (44" snow blower) from my large driveway along with an additional 2,000 feet of the neighborhood private street. I also have a Johnny Bucket for the front that allows me to move 10 cubic yards of mulch every spring. I did replace the original hydrostatic transmission with a unit from a larger John Deere model and added gator tires to have better traction mowing my ravine lot and clearing snow.
@MrHhesser Жыл бұрын
Now that's using your equipment. I'm impressed.
@windowcreek1798 Жыл бұрын
I had the same problem, i was told to buy a large can of carb cleaner, remove the air filter and spray the whole can into the intake. I did and it super cleaned the carb, problem solved. Great video. Cheers.
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the view 🙂👍
@rickarddt4 жыл бұрын
There it is! Thanks John and commenters (not all of you, don't get cocky). My Briggs & Stratton lawnmower runs great again! Cleaned all the linkages and gave them some dry lube.
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@johnutting96153 жыл бұрын
Hi Rick was your B&S lawn mower have the 6.5 Intek engine ?
@sandmanbub3 жыл бұрын
If you round off the edges of the hole the spring goes through, the spring shouldn't break again. The grease might hold onto any dirt or debris that lands there.A shoe lace impregnated with some metal cutting/buffing compound should make a great tool for doing this.
@Rchelicopterfun3 жыл бұрын
Good tip & good proposed method with compound on a shoe lace. This original modded spring is still holding 3 years later believe it or not. I was sure it would break shortly after as others commented it would, but no issues at all. The hole has already rounded off on the edges a fair amount so maybe that is why it's still lasting? No question, having a radius on the edges of the holes should certainly help spread the load over having a sharp contact point.
@NB-ir1me3 жыл бұрын
Use a q tip on a drill dipped in compound
@garyrichter574511 ай бұрын
My spring was not broke or detached but it WAS the problem. After watching your video, and trying 3 different carbs, I shortened the spring and it fixed the surging. I am guessing that over time it just stretched out. Thanks!
@guninkdesigns38386 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This is EXTREMELY clear and specific. I really appreciate how clear it was when you talked about bending the end of the spring rod. I’ll check this when I get home. Also, great quality on the video and thanks for the super clean mower. Makes it easier to see the details.
@tazmun2 ай бұрын
Nice video, very clean machine. You’re on point with your problem solving. The only thing I would say is I might mess with bending that spring around in an emergency and while waiting for a new one. I would definitely replace the spring with a new one though because it won’t be quite right tension wise until you do and it’s just so cheap you’ll be crazy not to.
@Rchelicopterfun2 ай бұрын
Yes, I ordered a new spring shortly after the video and planned on replacing it when the repair failed. That was six years ago now and the "repaired" spring is still holding fine as per the pinned comment. Tension on this spring is not at all critical; its only job it to take up the slack that develops in the pushrod linkage.
@sportstough56226 жыл бұрын
Very clear video , good job explaining everything , that was what was causing mine to surge , thank you for making this you saved me a lot of time and money
@mikesnuggs62335 жыл бұрын
Correct problem diagnosis about spring. Repair ok, but go ahead and order new spring. Temporary rebending of spring end wont last. Good video and explanation.
@georgespangler15175 жыл бұрын
If you rince your mower engine like I always do,,,be sure to check the magnetic pickup on your flywheel because it will rust and cause surge and backfire also,,,just use a little sandpaper...mine drove me crazy until I realized it...
@Rchelicopterfun5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip.
@georgespangler15175 жыл бұрын
@@thetune3020 your welcome,,,glad it helped you.
@clintsinger68933 жыл бұрын
It's an anti surge spring and just prevents the throttle from over compensating due to it being hooked to the governor and not directly to the throttle.
@bobmcl24064 жыл бұрын
Very useful video. Seems to apply to many engine brands, judging by the comments. I'll file this one away for future reference. Thanks!
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Brandon_Jackson5 жыл бұрын
I got a craftsman riding mower and it’s doing the same thing! I’ll check that tomorrow and see and I’ll leave an update comment if it works. Thanks for the help!
@XavierGM5034 жыл бұрын
So, did that fix your problem?
@JodBronson4 жыл бұрын
@@XavierGM503 - No update, it broke! LOL
@Grant8493 жыл бұрын
It's been two years, I guess it didn't work 😂
@Brandon_Jackson3 жыл бұрын
@@Grant849 it sadly didn’t work. I sold that pos😄
@reynaldo05 Жыл бұрын
Mine was surging at mid and high rpms. I changed the air filter, carbs, the fuel filter with the shut off valve, I made sure air and fuel lines were okay. Then I came across this video and of course mine didn’t have that spring. I tested it with a rubber band. It stopped surging completely!!! I ordered the spring from Amazon to replace the rubber band. lol
@miikkajaaskelainen73393 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. This fixed the stalling issues/symptoms my Husqvarna had.
@Rchelicopterfun3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@williamgreen3065 Жыл бұрын
My brand new John Deere mower is surging at startup only for about 15 seconds. No misfire yet. So I'm going right now to check that spring. Thanks
@k5laman5 жыл бұрын
These springs are on most all small engine throttle systems, no matter who manufactured it. The governors are similar in operation on all of them. Any slack between the throttle shaft in the carburetor and the actual governor flyweight assembly inside the crankcase will cause surging! Sometime even if there's no play, a restriction in the metering orifices inside the carb.,causing a lean mixture will cause surging.
@debbielynn66834 жыл бұрын
My mower started doing the same thing. Replaced plugs, fuel pump & filters. No change, so the KZbin search began. This sounds exactly the way mine is doing and going to check that little spring tomorrow,!! Thanks so much for the video!!
@JodBronson4 жыл бұрын
YES, that 'little' spring can cause big headaches!
@organicflatearthprepper74982 жыл бұрын
this is happening to mine after 200 hours. Thank you
@RichardSmith-ew6ds2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I recently replaced my sump gasket and apparently lost that little guy in the process. Thanks to you, problem solved.
@Razor_363 жыл бұрын
I have a Murray that turned 21 years old this summer and it still runs strong. Always used synthetic oil in it before all the cool kids did. Used Honda 4 stroke racing oil in it when I rode dirt bikes. The carbs for these are so cheap anymore that instead of rebuilding them I just toss them and bolt a new one on. Plugs are also cheap insurance. I did keep the original for keepsake. I hate the throttle linkage setup on the Briggs. The choke setup having to put it at full throttle for startup makes zero sense. I'll set the choke for a few minutes and pull it back down to start at low idle and it works every time.
@jarrodalveyalvey1665 Жыл бұрын
Im more impressed how clean your mower is lol..im thinking "hows this brand new mower having problems already"
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
🙂
@Rural_Racooon3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Good info. Some small engine repair shops may sell a small grommet to help prevent metal on metal wear.
@garyhaley16742 жыл бұрын
You got a super clean engine for 200 hrs! Thanks for the info!
@Rchelicopterfun2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙂
@GrauBartMedia3 жыл бұрын
Thought this was gonna be my fix. My wire still connected. Still surging. Thanks for the video!
@Rchelicopterfun3 жыл бұрын
Sorry it wasn't this "easy" fix on yours.
@peteosinga88453 жыл бұрын
Might be gunk in the carb float area drop the bowl poll the pin on the float lift out clean every thing and reassemble.
@orweyztungchiu58194 жыл бұрын
Wow - have the same problem and just checked for the spring - zilch! Also missing is the plastic grommet that the link fits into the top of carby lever - that's gone as well. Thanks for the video - I would have been looking everywhere else but the spring. Cheers!
@averagejoe82134 жыл бұрын
Very similar problem, watched video. Mine is missing! I've already done everything else...lol... But I'm sure it needed the TLC. Ordering spring today. THANK YOU for this video, I'd still be shooting in the dark if it weren't for you man, Thank you again.
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Hope that's it 🙂
@leslamb9190 Жыл бұрын
Was thinking it was the transmission belt on my Westwood S1600…but it was the little spring. It hadn’t broken but had no spring power. Fixed that and bingo…no surging. Cheers.
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
👍
@mattewpichot5235 ай бұрын
One of the most simplest yet most overlooked thing. In my case is was connected however the "spring" part was worn out and had next to no tension
@braydentreherne292710 ай бұрын
Same issue with my John Deere x530 and it fixed it. Thanks! 🙏🏼
@carolwennerstrom13533 жыл бұрын
i'm having the same issue as well, i thought that it was the feul filter and the spark plug this video helped me
@Rchelicopterfun3 жыл бұрын
Glad you got yours sorted too.
@carlosjimz5 жыл бұрын
my new, but old Stratton is doing exact surging thing, I just went to check right now, and my spring is detached, I will fix it tomorrow to see if it works
@trickyricky29203 жыл бұрын
How did you fix it my is gone
@dgriffin60746 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. I noticed that on my Troy Bilt B&S engine that vertical governor arm (or whatever it is called) jumps back and forth like someone crossing hot sand as the engine surges/slows/surges/slows then quits. First thing today is for me to check that tiny wire spring. BTW, $200 for that? Boy am I in the wrong business!!
@navigator33 жыл бұрын
MANY Thanks !! I had mine break on the other end and you showed me where it went. Great help.
@Rchelicopterfun3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@Mindvirus-ly5ed2 ай бұрын
this is exactly how my mower is acting. did all the basic things still surging and misfiring. Was just getting ready to rip it open... will check this first. I have a BnG, so we'll see.... I will report back.
@bear422294 жыл бұрын
I had sort of same issue at throughout the slow to fast idle on two mowers. The governor kept surging. I changed several things like filters plugs checked carb and so forth. After researching online i came to the conclusion that the governor on the inside of block was broke. I messed with it a few more times before I went that far and the simplest thing was take carb cleaner and just spray all linkages down good and apply a little wd-40. Problem solved. I had brushed and cleaned the carb and linkages before, but didn't really spray clean them. Just a little food for thought to anyone who is having similar issues. Thanks for the video.
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the good tip.
@ronlowery5438 Жыл бұрын
Thx bud. Only video that I found that deals with this. So much help.
@Rchelicopterfun Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help 🙂
@LOOSE-WHEELS4 ай бұрын
I think this may be my problem, At first I thought a spring might be missing from the black choke cam as there are 2 holes with nothing. I see thatès normal. so when I get to the ranch Ièll check this out. Thanks for the post.
@sammanblue43524 жыл бұрын
Trying this right now on my JD 105. Thanks much for the tip.
@burtjones45983 жыл бұрын
Hi John, Don't care if it works or not. Finally found out what that spring was for. I have a Kholer that does the same thing. Will look at it. I have bastardized this mower to the most simple wiring and carburetor. My biggest problem is blades and tires. Doing road work in the Caribbean. I use it more as a rock chopper and spiky tree cut offs. I want to thank you. Forgot what a new mower looks like.
@arthilliker37213 жыл бұрын
Thank You Sir !! My V22 Briggs just started the surging about a week ago. I'll check this out !!
@jimmacaulay8442 жыл бұрын
My S170 only has about 20 hours (yes, two zero) on it, and started surging. Today I flushed the tank and line, still surges badly. So this evening I went to KZbin and found this easy fix. Don't know why the spring would break after only 20 hours, but I intend to check it out tomorrow. Hope this is it!
@DineNastyLakers2 жыл бұрын
Was that it?
@jimmacaulay8442 жыл бұрын
Not the spring. I took the bowl off, sprayed it with carb cleaner. Better, not perfect. Will try Seafoam in the gas.
@eyeswideopen86611 ай бұрын
I have a S170 with 38.8 hours…. With a blown head gasket. Oil blowing all overt the air filter, oil all over the right plug ( and white smoke from right side). …. 38.8 hours……
@tomheathfield55306 жыл бұрын
Hello, I was experiencing the same issue, inspected my spring, but found intact, however little to no tension on the spring, shorted spring by 1/4 of an inch and corrected surging. Thx.
@garypratt14533 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation, i would never of thought that
@mauricesmith95603 жыл бұрын
Yes your right taking the slack out of linkages for firm movement
@orangejuice43324 жыл бұрын
The spring takes up the backlash or slop in the linkages.
@dorothyandrews88724 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this, my mower is doing this today, I don't know if my mower will be like yours as its a Columbia, but I will attempt to take off the housing and see if I have a wire-like yours. The other issue I have is that when I try to cut, it starts then stops, so I turn of the cutter and then turn back on and it cuts for a while but again stops cutting. Anyway, as a senior woman who knows nothing about this stuff, i will attempt what I can otherwise I will have to try and get it delivered or picked up from a repair place, but right now don't know if they are open due to Covid 19
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully it's an easy fix with that throttle anti-slack spring. If the spring is still there however, then it's going to be more involved. Try fresh fuel first (if you haven't), and if that doesn't work, then it could be a clogged fuel filter, dirty/blocked carb, or bad spark plug as the most common items. The engine dying out issue after engaging the blades could be a fuel starvation issue, or perhaps one of the safety interlock switches/wiring is faulty. If it stumbles and slowly dies out, that would be consistent with fuel starvation. If it dies out quickly (like if you turned the key off), that would be consistent with an interlock/electrical issue. Anyway - hope the surging issue might be the easy to check and fix spring.
@DumbCarGuy6 жыл бұрын
at 7:49 That U shaped rod/linkage/wire whatever you want to call it. seems to get stuck when you full choke and your motor will chug until the motors vibrations lets it go back in place. This is when you choke then the motor starts and then you put the motor to normal running speed. except it now chugs because that U shaped wire thing has a hard time going back into the not choked position.
@stevemcc4447 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! This is very helpful. I was mowing along...with that surge...then it died. It would turn over but not fire. Now it won't seem to turn over???
@JasonSmith-utube2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I checked this first. Exactly my problem. Thank you again.
@Rchelicopterfun2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@mahto543 жыл бұрын
Looks like a brand new mower!
@robertross47282 жыл бұрын
LT 1500 Ran like a clock. That is: At any speed or load the engine would violently surge every 2 seconds. The governor instantaneously opened the carburetor and dumped fuel into the engine. The spring in question was not broken. But, the long end of the spring had one wrap around the linkage rod. Apparently that was enough to cause the problem. Reinstalled the spring so that the rod didn't interfere with the spring movement. 90% of the surging went away.
@drumking2414 жыл бұрын
Good vid, very interesting, and ill remember it case i ever start having surging and missfire. i just bought a john deere 115auto and it runs great and got full power but it seems to backfire, (only when starting and stopping) I just found out about the hot/cold start settings so im gonna try setting the throttle correctly first, if that doesnt stop it. then replace the sparkplug. i think changing the air filter is a good idea too. Thanks for posting!
@Flowshow88 Жыл бұрын
My mower only does this when the bag is on and I am completely bewildered 😕
@Serpico11525 жыл бұрын
John thanks for the info I have the same B&S engine in my Craftsman tractor and was experiencing the same surging condition yesterday but this (governor link spring) part #691842 was properly attached so I replaced it anyway due to 6 years of age and fatigue. while I was replacing that spring today I also found that there is a (governor spring) part #796260 about an inch long and maybe 3/8" in diameter located behind the metal plate and throttle cable mount assembly visible at 7:57 that can be causing the same problem, work the linkage back and forth and observe that spring movement, in my case it wasn't even stretching the least bit on either end to tightening up anything so I wound up removing the whole plate assembly held on by 3 small bolts and shortened the spring by about 2 coils to make it tight enough so that it would tighten the linkage all the way back towards the back of the engine and this completely fixed the problem, later I found a KZbin video where someone had just bent the spring mounting tab on one end outward more to increase the spring tension, which if I had known first would have made my day a lot easier. One thing I learned through a lot of B&S and B.S. research is while diagnosing the surging condition with the engine running hold the linkage steady so it doesn't cycle back and forth and see if it stops the surging if it does than the spring(s) and or linkage is at fault, if it doesn't stop it the problem is most likely something in the carburetor with a blocked passage.
@Rchelicopterfun5 жыл бұрын
Good tips! Thanks for sharing :-)
@sonnym99542 жыл бұрын
So I tried pretty much everything I was able to find in your videos. I have a Kawasaki FR730 on a zero turn. It seemed to be giving me “dirty carburetor” trouble. I say this because every time I used carburetor cleaner I was able to cut two acres of grass. I refuel every month and use stabilizer. I decided it was easier to replace the carburetor than take it apart and clean it so I bought one on Amazon that brings fuel pump and air filter. I replace it and it bogs down if I increase the throttle too fast or when I put a load on it. I check if both cylinders were firing, I changed the sparks, oil and tightened the springs that go to the governor. It starts and gets to full throttle if I increase it very slowly. Once there it starts to misfire and eventually die out. Not sure what to do.
@gextreme23816 ай бұрын
That mower has 200 hours on it? It looks factory new! What do cut? Putting greens right after the golf club professionally mows them? Then it spends the rest of the day getting detailed? Impressive!
@N3SHXX5 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with taking extra care of an expensive tool bought with hard earned money.......!!!!
@satt1313132 ай бұрын
I believe the little spring just keeps the governor from making wild swings. Without it the governor goes max-min-max-min causing a surging.
@Rchelicopterfun2 ай бұрын
As others have correctly pointed out, that tiny little spring has zero impact on governor function. Its only function is to take up the slack that develops overtime between the linkage rod and carburetor arm. If they used a Delrin/similar high wear bushing in that pushrod linkage hole instead of metal on metal contact, the spring wouldn't even be required as there would be no wear to compensate for.
@wild87574 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could help me with this question, I got an old craftsman 12 horse Rider with a Briggs & Stratton engine, my governor has linkage with the spring the same as the one you have there, my engine is surging back-and-forth constantly, you can see the linkage and governor going back-and-forth back-and-forth, I took the carburetor off and totally cleaned it and rebuilt with new nozzles and jets, also bought a brand new spring from Briggs & Stratton put it all back together and the governor and linkage is still surging back-and-forth even with the new spring, if I hold the governor with my finger I can make it idle smoothly so I assume it’s not the carburetor right? I can’t figure out why when I take my finger off that linkage and governor it is still bouncing back-and-forth causing it to surge , it’s the older one piece Flo-jet carburetor, any ideas? Thanks
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an issue with either the mechanical governor or something binding or loose in the governed linkages to the carb. All the linkages should be free to move easily, if they are sticking, surging/hunting will occur. Same can be said for a weak governor spring with slop or linkage slop but if you hold the governor arm steady, and that gets rid of it - it sounds like it could be the internal governor mechanism. If it's the actual mechanical governor that is hunting, that is an engine apart repair I believe on that specific engine - I'm no expert on Briggs of course. Use your Google Fu to get diagrams of your specific engine model's governor linkage & spring layout & fault trace procedure.
@bobgoins21025 жыл бұрын
I have a Koler engine doing the same thing. Going to check for this thanks for the video
@chrisp31935 жыл бұрын
Bob Goins did this help????
@bobgoins21025 жыл бұрын
@@chrisp3193 yes it did, my engine is running smooth as silk.
@AwosAtis Жыл бұрын
Learn something new every day!
@gordbaker8964 жыл бұрын
Great fix Sir. Great Explanation as well. Thank You.
@mikeward2922Ай бұрын
Just slapped a new carb on an old Briggs 17hp motor. That spring is there, but I am concerned it is misshapen a bit due to swapping carbs / cleaning carbs a few times. I am going to give it a really good look. It and the rod on which it is wrapped may also have been bent out of alignment somewhat. My engine does surge.
@mikeward292227 күн бұрын
Please let me know if you have success. Same deal here - multiple carb swaps - this spring and rod may be out of shape.
@shannonbrooks8834 Жыл бұрын
I put a cam in an old Briggs and Stratton 17.5 HP . Would start up, backfire, misfire. OMG ! Bad CAM ! No,bad coil. Took me a month too figure it out. Not the carb,not the plug,all replaced. The COIL .
@kevinwest16954 ай бұрын
Thats one CLEAN mower !!
@judithmichaud32315 ай бұрын
I'm going to try to find this tomorrow, could be just the trick !
@MeatGawds2 жыл бұрын
That spring is so your canooter valve will open correctly once your flux capacitor in engaged.
@jhorge624 жыл бұрын
You are the man! Going to fix mine later today (guess I better clean her too while I'm at it - if yours is how clean she should be :-)). Thanks!
@dennismahoney51244 жыл бұрын
Great job. It helped me to get it running. Thank you.
@Rchelicopterfun4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@RickyPisano5 жыл бұрын
Mine is sputtering at idle...runs fair but could run a lot better. I'm hoping that minus any minor differences in the motors I have the same problem I'm SURE I saw a similar spring on my linkage, I'll check it. THANKS!!
@johnhicks95293 жыл бұрын
It's takes out the play in the distance.& slack in the rod. When it actuwaits back& fourth on the govern linkage rod at high.& idle speed controled by the throttle cable. It's called A tention spring for taking out the slack.& play in the rod is basically all. Witch you seen if it's breaks how.& what happens in that type of situations like that alone. The fuel agitator spray pump silanode is inside of the carburetor bowl to with wires comming out of it aswell. That can cause the same affect also if it's suck.,or clogged up to.,or there's dirt.& debris inside of the bowl.& agitator silanode aswell.