Canadian 1964 Pattern Web Equipment Part III

The third part in a series looking at the Canadian 1964 Pattern Web Equipment.
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[@a51541476]

Rifleman Moore: Thank you for your videos on the 64 pattern web equipment. This is an important piece of Canadian military history. Other countries can learn from this. Especially what not to do when designing web equipment for soldiers in the field. This equipment was hated by the soldiers that wore it and they modified it with gun tape for field use. I'm glad to see you have produced a modified version. Thank goodness the Canadian soldier now uses equipment that compares favourably with the UK and the USA. Regards, D.A. Stolovitch, CD Captain 2 Military Police Regiment / Canadian Forces Military Police (Retired)

[@TheLoachman]

"the Canadian soldier now uses equipment that compares favourably with the UK and the USA" Like the crappy tac vest...?

[@CluelessSoldier-0669]

@@TheLoachman Well on deployments, the SORD chest rig is issued rather than the tac vest. The design of the tac vest is, yeah... but with reflex mag inserts it works well and unlike the soldiers who use the 64/82 pattern webbing, we can just go out and buy our own vest. Can't complain about buying our own stuff as it is a universal thing among soldiers, but mainly an American and Canadian thing (Getting better mag pouches, other molle stuff, boots, gloves, ect...) Plus, in some armies it is necessary... like literally any US Army soldier buying boots, as let me tell you, when I saw those issued US Army boots, man....that's going to cut into your legs and ankles.

[@ryanvargus9456]

I carried a 51 pattern ammo pouch on the right side of the 82 pattern webbing to carry grenades at times and for extra storage. On training exercises using blanks I would put flash bangs in there. 51 pattern ammo pouches were very versatile. I have seen photos of guys using the 64 pattern that put 51 pouches on both sides of the belt in British 58 pattern style.

[@michaelamos4651]

The amount of research is incredible. Great video thanks

[@RiflemanMoore]

Cheers Michael!

[@davidbrennan660]

Videos about webbing are leaning on an open door with me..... you are most welcome on my device. Thanks for the vid.

[@RiflemanMoore]

Glad you enjoyed David!

[@TheLoachman]

Well done again, Simon. I don't recall ever seeing anybody lash their water bottle and mess tin carriers together, which must have been a Regimental thing. I preferred to wear my 51 Pattern ammo pouch (when I could; dress policies often varied by unit and time) on my left-hand side for convenience. During my early Reserve time, we were not issued the NBCW carrier or its contents. I only ever wore it in the field during the exercises that I did with 3 RCR, and it was attached to the belt. I'd forgotten about the nylon Y-straps, and don't think that they were very common. The only times that I remember wearing the NBCW carrier on its sling was later in my career, as a Tac Hel Pilot, as we had to continually swap webbing (worn when outside of the helicopter) for a survival vest (worn when inside the helicopter) and frequently spent much time in cramped 5/4 ton CP vehicles. And our issued kit for the Tac Hel role was even more abortionate. How's the single-handed belt buckle unfastening coming?

[@RiflemanMoore]

Thanks for the details! I'd be interested to know more about the Tac Hel kit. I'm happy to say I can open the buckle one handed now but I can't say I've perfected it.

[@TheLoachman]

@@RiflemanMoore Almost all of what I have from my early days in Tac Hel (including three years with 444 Squadron in Lahr, Germany) is in fairly deep storage. All photographs prior to 2008 are still in print and negative form, although digitizing them is on my ever-growing list of things to do no later than the end of the first half of this century. There are a few thousand to work through. But, someday, I promise... It'll also take me a while to compose a detailed rant about all of the shortcomings, especially going from almost thirty-nine-year-old memory (going back to my Basic Flying Course on the CT114 Tutor in Moose Jaw Saskatchewan). I'll start on that this weekend. And I still owe you photographs of the circa-1978 trial webbing. Congrats on conquering the buckle. I had faith in you.

[@andrewhemingway337]

I’m trying to build a uniform based on my granddad time in REME in the late 40s

[@MacChew008]

Another wonderful video.

[@robertking2580]

Can you do a video on Rhodesian web equipment?

[@RiflemanMoore]

Unfortunately at present it's not something I can really cover, maybe in the future if the collection grows in that direction.

[@robertking2580]

@@RiflemanMoore Ok cool you have some nice videos and stuff 👍. Also I was thinking about doing a bush war impression so im trying to get more information.

[@seamac5243]

The belt adjustments was often gun taped with thinner one inch tape, also used for the wound dressing.

[@lib556]

You nailed it! Can't really find any corrections needed. Ref the grenade launcher - we never saw those. Perhaps more of a 60s thing. Many soldiers put their cam stick in that velcro loop so it was handy for touch ups to face paint. However, that was a personal thing. Many couldn't be bothered. I would have taped either side of the main buckle (once all other adjustments were made and assuming my belly wouldn't get bigger due to massive beer intake).

[@TheLoachman]

I didn't tape my belt because I liked to be able to adjust both ends, to match whatever layers of clothing needed to be worn. Everything else, most definitely. We often used the velcro tabs on the bottom of the grenade pouch to carry thunderflashes (big firecrackers used to simulate grenades, for those unfamiliar).

[@lib556]

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[@JayM409]

I always wondered what that velcro on the bottom of the Grenade pouch was for.

[@lib556]

@@JayM409 I was told it was supposed to be for an adaptor for firing rifle grenades. We used to stick our cam paint stick in it.

[@ernst-udopeters1637]

Thank you for this video on the 64 pattern webbing. I was unaware of the 51pattern pouches being carried and how they were modified on the 64Pat. BTW I came across an interesting book called "Tangled Web: Canadian Infantry Accoutrements, 1855-1985"by Jack Summers. I was unable to afford it at the time but it looked very interesting. I am hoping to pick it up in the future.

[@RiflemanMoore]

Tangled Web is an excellent book, worth the investment!

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