Rise and fall of the MP5 submachine gun

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The H&K Mp5 9mm submachine gun is one of the most requested weapons we get on here. I want to know how this became one of the world's most famous submachine guns? To me, this gun is a rise and fall story like ‘scarface’ or ‘wolf of wallstreet’.
For instance, in the 80’s it was still at the height of its popularity with you know, every special forces unit and SWAT team using it but by the late 90’s the mp5 had hit rock bottom with those same units moving away from using it. So you’re probably wondering what happened, how did it all go wrong? - We’ll answer all of that but first - Que the MP5 80’s montage!
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[@Taskandpurpose]

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[@jaytrock3217]

I forget the gun shop name, but my dad used to go to it to get some primers and powder. I grew up in Ventura. The LAPD didn't buy the firearms. The owner had to wait to get them back because of them being evidence. He was not to happy with it. The only good thing it was free advertising. I remember watching the shoot out live at Ft. McNair while I was in the Army Honorguard while cleaning my M-14. As soon as it was over we put "Heat," on.

[@Taskandpurpose]

@@jaytrock3217 ahh I guess its just a common myth about that battle that the cops bought civilian guns?

[@brushemteeth9159]

You miss a significant point: is the MP5 obsolete compared to modern 9mm SMGs that have Picantinny rails and take handgun magazines (usually Glock)?

[@violentfantasy5549]

@@Taskandpurpose Pulling the mp5 off the green screen was very sick! Amazing channel

[@jaytrock3217]

@@Taskandpurpose They were Colt Sporters aka Ar-15, the owner gave them the guns to use. From what my dad was told from the owner. The owner knew the officers that requested them. He gave them to them thinking they would either be bought by LAPD or returned right away. However they were held as evidence and he was not compensated. Not sure what happened after that because my parents moved from CA in '98. I don't think that shop is still in business. LA County went after a lot gun shops in the late 90s.

[@badas45]

Without the MP5 our favorite Christmas movie wouldn't be as cool

[@Taskandpurpose]

yippee ki yay !

[@FirstDagger]

@@Taskandpurpose ; Or as we say in German "Yippie yah yei Schweinebacke!"

[@dark12ain]

Which one jingle all the way? 😅

[@nathanwilliams3877]

@@dark12ain home alone

[@skeeter8477]

@@nathanwilliams3877 Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer

[@DiegoRosendoPerez]

Still, that MP5 advertisement with a photo of the SAS entering into the Iranian embassy is the most baddas weapon ad in history.

[@jac1207]

I think that sort of cemented HK in the general public's mind. It created a mythos.

[@cheegan]

Watch 6 days on Netflix it's all about that situation

[@brokeandtired]

The problem is back then kevlar body armour wasn't a thing...it is now. Outside of police work in non US countries where Criminal Body armour isn't a thing (like Britain)...its really really obsolete. Even in the UK police force the MP5 is being supplanted by the HK416.

[@cykeok3525]

@@brokeandtired Although that does bring up the worrying question, are we eventually going to see it become common for criminals to wear rifle plates? :(

[@brokeandtired]

@@cykeok3525 rifle plates are heavy and most criminals at best can only afford a cheap solution. If it becomes possible to make them light...then the next upgrade would be an under barrel grenade launcher with HEAT shells.

[@dangermouse9348]

"The MP-5 SD has one job, to fire quietly" A task it excells at.

[@kniter01]

Until the MCX LVAW and other .300 BLK setups in SOCOM surpassed it

[@yepepepep590]

@@kniter01 only issues being, theres no surplus of .300blk, the guns are expensive, arent built off a gun we already have, and its a bit longer. mp5-sd excels at being cheap, quiet, and it uses an ammo we run in other guns. the mp5-sd still fills an amazing niche for american special units not under the socom umbrella, with lower funding, and for swat teams that cant afford to change to .300blk/4.6mm, as well as military forces outside of the US, that again, cant afford to switch to a new caliber, and has mp5s already in their inventory either from past super special units, buying them from 1st world countries, etc etc etc. it isnt the BEST, but its a damn good option, especially when you cant afford a .300blk new weapon system.

[@kniter01]

@@yepepepep590 I'm not necessarily arguing funding and cost, I'm talking from a pure performance standpoint. But yes, the MP5SD has its uses if you're not interested or can't afford to expand logistics to a new cartridge

[@yepepepep590]

@@kniter01 100% agree, purely based on performance, id rather have a .300blk silenced scar/mcx than a mp5-sd any day in any situation.

[@kniter01]

@@yepepepep590 yeah, I'm setting my MCX up like the LVAW kit CAG and STS are using

[@jeffburnham6611]

The MP5SD is a truly amazing firearm. It is one of the few firearms out there where the suppressor is so effective, the sound of the bolt cycling is louder than the report from a round being fired.

[@dsd333d]

It also failed miserably and needed sub sonic ammo which could be in affective and needed severe cleaning often to stay functioning. Placing an after market can was much more effective and cheaper, plus HK LEO service is shit with long delays! They tell you your not a BIG contract so not a priority. STILL BEST DAMN CQB SUB GUN EVER! just no the SD version.

[@MrMartinNeumann]

@@dsd333d It does not need subsonic ammo, the design vents some of the gas slowing down normal 9mm rounds to be subsonic.

[@bobthebomb1596]

@@dsd333d All supressed weapons work more effectively with sub sonic ammo; with the possible exception of the Welrod and it's mate, who were only ever intended to be used for a few rounds.

[@hotdog9262]

@@badkatrising3918 .380 is a deadly round in close combat

[@mr.derpcat6479]

The mp5sd fucking looks cool tho so its still gangster

[@itsrobby3487]

The reason that the MP5 was so seemingly flawless when it was first released was because of its similarity to the G3. They basically just made a smaller, 9mm version of that gun which already had it's flaws and kinks solved.

[@fazole]

Don't forget the British movie "Who Dares Wins", aka "SAS". Lots of MP-5 action and a movie so bad ass it caused the main actor, Lewis Collins, to try and join the real SAS! He was already in the British paratroops, passed the SAS qualification, but was rejected due to his famousness.

[@griz312]

That’s a bummer for him but still awesome he qualified.

[@frost.0707]

Oof

[@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13]

So they wasted his time?

[@rudrashakti108]

@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 wondered the same thing...

[@livecatgrenades]

@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 I mena they might have made that decision afterwards. Either way, It's not like he isn't a super badass for only getting rejected on that alone!

[@danielcurtis1434]

It would be nice if he had at least mentioned that it was a derivative of the G3. The G3 was meant to be a modular weapons system in 4 cartridges. First in 7.62 nato then 7.62x39 then 5.56/.223, then In 9x19mm. So the reason it worked from the beginning was it was a scaled down version of the G3. This is to completely ignore the HK33 in 5.56 as well.

[@Taskandpurpose]

in an earlier version of the video essay writing I had included that but I ended up cutting it - I'll include it in the G3 video that I make !

[@senint]

German engineering. Tested out for decades, while improving.

[@TRUSTLIFENOW]

Absolutely right, remember shooting both in the German army and miss it to this day

[@garrettkajmowicz]

Don't forget the weird CETME history in there as well.

[@jimtheedcguy4313]

Actually it's all based on the cetme modelo a, and in a way related to the stg 45, although it was never put into production.

[@edwarddailey21]

I'm from LA they ran into a gun shop in North Hollywood and TOOK a few remingron 700s and bolt guns, telling the guy they need something to punch through body armor but swat got there before with their AR15s, that gave evolution to the PATROL RIFLE in basically every car.

[@Taskandpurpose]

yes this is the final info on that story

[@nabilbudiman271]

1997 right ?

[@ericferguson9989]

Ah yes. The "patrol carbine" that no beat cop should be without. The same politicians who were behind that are the same ones who tell us "the AR15 is a weapon of war, meant for but one purpose: to kill as many people as possible in a limited time."

[@agmsmith4079]

Actually cops have to be trained and certified on the AR15 before they are allowed to patrol with one in their car. Around 10% are certified. So there aren’t very many... and those that are, are under trained with it, the Borderline shooting is an example of that (the police officer that died, died from the officer behind him shooting him in the back with his AR15). The AR15 officer, realizing he just shot another officer, then quickly rushed the downed officer to the hospital leaving the mass shooter free to continue his shooting spree. The incident highlights just how poorly trained police are when it comes to firearms and tactics (CQB tactics to be specific).

[@ericferguson9989]

@@agmsmith4079 In Canada, at least, the standard is ludicrously low. We're talking about once a year with something like 100 rounds. A lot of people in the police and military supliment this training on their own dime, shooting competetively. Now AR15s are prohibited since our Government doesn't trust its own people.

[@kerenwang437]

My favourite weapon of all time! The first time I fired it, I hit the mark like a veteran. I had never shot firearms before that day！I was so surprised by how easy it was to handle!!

[@Taskandpurpose]

100% agreed its a very user friendly weapon and makes handling really intuitive

[@nfareview]

Great content, editing and flow. Excellent video! I own 3 MP5’s and just ordered my first HK53. Obsolete or not, it’s the sexiest SMG in the world and it’s here to stay 🤙

[@famalam943]

I’m guessing it isn’t obsolete for law enforcement.

[@hamzakhalid95]

Did you every consider the POF MP5 in semi auto? Would love to know your reviews about it considering your experience

[@eddiet204]

I carried one in the late 90s when I was on SWAT. Not a single failure ever!

[@newdefsys]

There's a SWAT team in Florida with an MP5 with a documented 50,000 rounds through it and zero malfunctions recorded.

[@ralphharrison6622]

if it aint broke, dont fix it

[@ralphharrison6622]

@Yuck Foutube unfortunately, he missed one

[@axlem4549]

@@ralphharrison6622 ACAB

[@alexanderblack8852]

@@axlem4549 NPC

[@davidenglish1552]

Nothing is obsolete when you aim for the face

[@davidenglish1552]

@@pantherowow77 heard of it AND when you dump a mag into someones face you more than likely to hit the throat, Spanky.

[@georgewashington7312]

BINGO!

[@ammo021]

Same bro

[@Jakezillagfw]

Yes it is. Keep saying it is so governments will sell them for dirt cheap. Say it with me "The MP5 is obsolete"

[@davidenglish1552]

@@pantherowow77 tomato potato

[@9HoleReviews]

Love the vid, Cappie, keep 'em coming!

[@CountryWolf_TX]

@Kia El Sig would’ve called it something like “MPX-ray” something something something

[@nigelscott2981]

@Max Powers (

[@kammci5175]

8:12 in special forces it's being replaced by smg's using new cartridges with much smaller bullet traveling at higher velocity, for example hk mp7 or fn p90

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

it's also getting replaced by the scorpion evo3 a1 (which uses the same caliber) in many countries. and it's easy to see why, really. The evo3 is more adjustable, lighter, cheaper and easier to repair on the field. It's basically an MP5 but better in every way. Only thing the mp5 has over it is it has a bit less recoil, and I really mean just a bit, which isn't even close to enough to justify the massively increased price tag and other issues.

[@V-V1875-h]

Mp7 is litterally 9mm

[@nelayo4894]

@@V-V1875-h it most definetly is not 9mm, its a 4,6mm

[@gamingrex2930]

@@V-V1875-h what? The mp7 only shoots HK 4.6×30, if there are conversions for it to use 9mm id shit myself fr.

[@V-V1875-h]

@@gamingrex2930 there are, most are iirc

[@paulosullivan4819]

Great video as always, but at min. 7:42, you mentioned that the Special Forces used the suppressed version of the MP5 during the VietNam War. Now, I wasn't around at that time. But, from all the literature I was exposed to right after that war, the Special Forces primarily used Grease Guns and Swedish Ks for their submachine usage. You did an excellent job of pointing out how the Iran hostage siege in London really put the MP5 on everyone's radar. But, you might also let people know that the Uzi was really the rock star of the 1970s. All the images of the 1967 and Yom Kippur Wars and the Israeli soldiers carrying around this brand new design that people hadn't seen before. Then, the successful hostage rescue at Entebbe, then the fact that all the bodyguards and even the Secret Service would carry Uzis under their suit jackets all lead to its mystique and appeal. But, when all the gun magazines compared how much more accurate, lighter and more adaptable the MP5 was over the Uzi, things started changing. And, as you said, the SAS hostage rescue at the London embassy really solidified the onset of MP5's rise.

[@Rickardsson99]

No gun is obsolete but noone's cool enough to use blunderbusses anymore.

[@Taskandpurpose]

imagine an operator running around with a blunderbuss ?

[@ahandgrenade3640]

@@Taskandpurpose make that a series. see how old guns stack up in a modern context. Just and idea.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@Taskandpurpose A super tactical, laser-sighted, front-gripped blunderbuss. Oh yeah, it's also black, because it needs to be tactical.

[@enasnI99]

@@MichaelDavis-mk4me You forgot the cold hammer forged barrel, sling loops, full length picatinny rail, adjustable gas system and extended glock compatible mags...oh wait

[@northernninety7]

Thats why I dislike people that say my 1911 is obsolete. But think it can easily make ones life obsolete.

[@sailyourface]

Basically once units figured out how to get a 5.56 rifle round and the compactness of a SMG, the MP5s days were numbered

[@jaydenharris731]

If you mean something like a personal defense weapon, we could do an MP7 or P90 (the 4.6mm round is bad, I’d prefer an MP7 in 5.7)

[@loke2144]

@UC4V0lo8MJa1_bDGUMv8Z9aQ Read his comment again.

[@its_beepus2962]

Why didn't HK just convert the mp5 to 4.6, would've made a lot of sense and probably been cheaper

[@DumbAssPro717]

@@its_beepus2962 well hk 53 is mp5 with 556 so..

[@DumbAssPro717]

hk53 is mp5 with 556

[@justsomeguy6240]

I like how Chris just grabbed the MP5 png and it suddenly became a real one.

[@tomsoki5738]

The one he was holding wasn’t real

[@newdefsys]

@@tomsoki5738 Its still a cool effect.

[@MajesticDemonLord]

The ATF are already looking at Ghost Picture Guns..

[@metallicarchaea1820]

It wasn't a PNG. You could see the strings holding it up in the air once he grabs it. It was neat all the same.

[@SpaceMissile]

that was really, really slick. 10/10 editing and presentation.

[@w.murphy5151]

When the SAS breached the window it actually blew the floor out of the balcony, so they had to jump across a big gap to get into the building, just if anyone wanted to know

[@gregrea9387]

Great video Cappy! I carried the MP5 for years on my SWAT team and loved it. Regarding the North Hollywood shootout, the 3 LAPD SWAT guys that finally took out the two Tangos actually had issued AR15s (at the time they were an as needed long gun though their primary shoulder gun was the MP5) and it’s what they needed to finish the job. The big change in policing after this shootout was many US departments started allowing regular patrol officers to carry rifles, whereas before that rifles were a SWAT only option. It beats commandeering a gun store during a shootout!

[@ghansu]

I have shot mp5 in the navy. No recoil even at full auto. Its true that 9mm cant penetrate modern body armor but if you are shooting indoors last thing you want is to penetrate few walls so assault rifles are kind of crap anywhere else than war zones. Not so good in populated area. Its also very accurate. In close quarters users are kind of trained to double tap. First round center mass and second to head. Bodyarmor or not that works.

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

5.56 penetrates less walls than 9mm

[@hailexiao2770]

If you don't want to penetrate walls you want light, fast, skinny bullets because they tumble and fragment easily. Slow, fat bullets are exactly what you want to avoid, especially if you can't use expanding ammo.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

9mm penetrates through walls as much as 5.56, with the added disadvantage that if it hits something it flattens and keeps going while 5.56 has a chance to break apart and lose energy quickly. Now if you're inside a ship I can see how the steel could potentially only get dented by 9mm and punched through by 5.56, but I'm not sure how thick those steel dividers are.

[@joshuablair252]

@@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce wrong. 5.56 penetrates most body armor due to speed at 3200 fps, 9mm does not at 1200 fps. Both will still go through walls and cars though.

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@joshuablair252 why do wall tests show 9mm going through more walls than standard m193?

[@michaeldara5965]

0:37 Oh wow I thought that was just a PNG of the MP5, turns out you have it in person!

[@Taskandpurpose]

thought that would be a fun little trick to try

[@stefanwalicord2512]

@@Taskandpurpose looked pretty snazzy

[@Hakuru15]

@@Taskandpurpose TEACH US

[@kriegsmanno.133lostinthewarp]

"mp5 is not powerfull enough" Easy, add a m203 just like half life

[@avilhelm1697]

That was a real thing. H&K actually advertised it in a pamphlet with the ability to mount a grenade launcher for a while, which is where Half-life got it from. :)

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@avilhelm1697 Wait, there is enough room under that handguard to mount a grenade launcher?

[@panzerkampfyoutubekommenta4947]

@@minhducnguyen9276 remove the grip :)

[@nagaykei6611]

then fight bulletproof bee shooting aliens with it

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@minhducnguyen9276 If you look at pictures of them (Malaysia and I think Iran have them) there's a metallic bracket that replaces the original handguard and the tube itself becomes the gripping surface.

[@afre3398]

I had a MP5 as my service weapon in 2007. I was in the Norwegian national guard. Before that I had G3. But since our unit was meant to operate in urban environment. We got weapons with less penetration. I remember the from the G3 and MP5 the blowback system was quite dirty. Much gun powder residue ended being blown back

[@stew_stervich]

This gun is seriously in every Tom Clancy book...'three round burst to the head'

[@Zoraxon]

"never really encountered any major problems" Some dude with a stop sign and a metal press: Allow me to introduce myself

[@minecraftsteve8625]

Wdym?

[@jerrymandarren]

(Clutches my mp5) “It’s going to be ok”

[@towakin7718]

It's OK to be 9x19

[@garydose129]

The editing was awesome on this one. I loved grabbing the MP5 out of the background in the beginning

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks glad you liked that part because it took me forever to get it work haha

[@andrewkarn6963]

Agreed - that was really cool. Well done, sir

[@charharn7011]

I was part of the anti terrorist units in the late 70's and though we trained with the MP5 it was not apart of our official load out I was impressed with how fast your muscle memory could adjust to the MP5 making you a crack shot from almost any position with minimal experience how ever if it wasn't for the high fire rate the weapon had least take down power of weapons I trained with.

[@zachprouty8595]

It won't ever be obsolete looking that beautiful

[@napsiuslebelche5846]

The MP5 was good from the start, because... G3, but in 9mm

[@fabiandimaspratamathesecond]

Love the G3, especially with the tubular handguard.

[@1954cs]

And the G3 started out as the stg44.

[@TheBigOne0305]

@@1954cs Nope, the StG 45(M), the StG 44 uses a long stroke piston (like an AK) and a tilting bolt (like an FAL). The G3 was developed from an adaptation of the MG42 (roller locked, not just roller delayed) mechanism, which the Mauser engineers used for the Gerät 06 prototype. During development they noticed that the short recoil part can be omitted if the roller lock is turned into a roller delay. Which resulted in the Gerät 06H (the H stands for halbverriegelt, or "half locked"), which in turn was turned into the production version StG 45(M). It was never produced in large numbers, but the Mauser engineers continued working on that after WW2, first in France and then later in Spain at CETME, where they developed the rifle named after the design institute (together with the Spanish engineers working there). That development ultimately turned into the G3 and got H&K (founded by some other former Mauser engineers) its breakthrough.

[@Mortablunt]

HK33 needs more love

[@punishedsneed]

Nobody tell him that the G3 is awful.

[@autorage5337]

MP5 went obsolete after Col O'Neill switched to p90

[@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106]

F N 5.7mm

[@ciaspecialactivitiesdivisi5867]

I think it was the MP7

[@merchant_of_kek5697]

That weapon is for fear. This is a real weapon of war.

[@HenryKobyla1407]

Had to make sure I wasnt the only one making a stargate reference.

[@Web720]

2 Ls, there's a guy with 1 L, he's no fun.

[@JB-mo8rs]

My brother was shopping at B&B guns at the time of the shootout. Several LAPD officers ran inside the store and commandeered dozens of rifles and mags and went back to the firefight. According to a former employee, who now works at another gun store, the rifles and mags were never returned as they became evidence and a jumbled up regulation nightmare involving the DOJ regarding handing out rifles without the proper paperwork, etc.

[@MI519]

I remember B&B guns. It was a cool store. I bought a pistol there!

[@roninshig8650]

I know this comment is 6 months old but none the less I concur with this statement, I worked with someone who was employed at B&B and on site when officers entered the shop. As per my co worker, DOJ also raised concerns about some Clinton era AW regulation violation regarding the firearms handed out.

[@EchoSigma6]

After feeling under gunned during the LA riots for self defense, I went to B&B in NoHo and Garden Grove to buy a Colt Sporter AR15 and a Benelli M1. I still have them. I miss those stores.

[@JB-mo8rs]

@@EchoSigma6 The 90’s we’re the good ol days of buying guns. The day I turned 18 (1995), I ran down to B&B and bought a Russian SKS for $125 and a Benelli M1 Super 90 for $800. No waiting period for the SKS and I bought a 1000 rds of Chinese, copper washed 7.62x39 for only $100!!!

[@EchoSigma6]

@@JB-mo8rs Lol, I bought a Chinese SKS from them for $99 because I thought the bayonet was cool. Took me hours to get that packing paraffin off. I think I may have only shot 100 rounds off that rifle, it still looks new. Yes, those were good times.

[@cooltools007]

MP5 and it’s various versions is still the roll’s Royce of sub machine guns. Used on many operations, overt and covert, prone to occasional stoppages if the ammunition is not too great, but very easy to clear fast as i found out when I was on a job that went hot, getting in and out of vehicles is so much easier, awesome weapon , mp7 too light and small, with having to pretty much have to have it in your shoulder

[@elijahgibson2001]

These kind of videos are awesome! Keep them coming!

[@ruckersaito596]

Considering that HK made the MP7 as a way to counter body armor, I'd love to see a video on it. 4.6mm is expensive but I'm sure everyone would enjoy it :)

[@harryhog1977]

That thing sucks

[@florisvanzalingen9641]

@@harryhog1977 then why do special forces use it?

[@wesleyhales7097]

Same here!

[@A_Norwegian]

@@harryhog1977 feel free to explain. It’s an accurate, reliable, easily controllable weapon with a round that provides better body armour penetration than traditional handgun projectiles. It’s also a lot of fun to shoot, but that’s just an added bonus.

[@harryhog1977]

@@florisvanzalingen9641 guns are tools, & the MP7 is a tool w/ very little purpose but is still good to have for that 1 mission set. Just b/c it’s small & can defeat some armor (not all) doesn’t make it capable and replace the MP5. Also, just b/c SoF has it in inventory doesn’t make it badass. I’ve used it in combat as a primary weapon once, then immediately hung it up in my room b/c of its poor effects, & there it sat for rest of the deployment. However, it is better than nothing

[@gurra5666]

MP5 forever in my heart

[@doug4036]

Forever in a box

[@labibtazwar5423]

Not alone brother

[@genghisgalahad8465]

I guess you’re a Die Hard MP5 fan?

[@labibtazwar5423]

@@genghisgalahad8465 mp5 for life Mp5 is my bride Mp5 is my life

[@genghisgalahad8465]

@@labibtazwar5423 your Corpse Bride?

[@kraemer66]

8:11 The real reason the MP5 is still relevant is because of how quiet it is. I have lower recoil, more reliable rifles in a variety of calibers that feature better external and terminal ballistics. But the delayed bolt makes it incredibly quiet compared to all other popular platforms. Additionally it fully eliminates any flash from the ejection port when running in low light. I can't think of any self-loading rifle that mitigates sound and flash better.

[@dsd333d]

WTF! SORRY, BUT I’M TO DRUNK TO EAT THIS CHICKEN!!! You have lower recoil and more reliable rifles in diff calibers that feature better external and terminal ballistics, but the mp5 is QUITER!? So you would choose it, LOL OMG! Its a sub gun! So yes rifle calibers generally have better terminal ballistics, wtf is external ballistics! In 18 yrs of operations, i have not found a weapons platform more reliable than the mp5, broken firing pin, broken firing pin spring and broken dog ears on earlier rolling bearing design, GUESS WHAT! Still kept running, just slowed down! OMG NO FLASH FROM EJECTION PORT (action) pretty much every weapon since the gas is used to cycle the action, how about the muzzle flash, theres something i’m worried about. Delayed roller blowback is NINJA quiet because of magic? No not all that quiet unless you use the SD model, which requires special ammo ana a lot of maintenance (better to get suppressor and cheaper) with no knock down unless danger close, generally not worth it. You cant find any rifle that mitigates sound or flash, because your comparing apples to oranges, pistol cartridges and function to rifle cartridges and function. Go to Harry Potter land and ask for a wand or really learn what your commenting on! Sorry for trolling but I’m semi drunk!

[@kraemer66]

@@dsd333d Wasn't going to reply to a drunk comment, but I'm stuck in a waiting room at a doctor's office so why not. External ballistics is the flight of the bullet. 9mm, especially subsonic rounds, are poor choices for shooting at longer ranges. The MP5 is reliable, but there are more reliable options, and your experience of having broken firing pins and rollers doesn't really prove it's reliable, even if yours somehow ran while disintegrating. I have to admit, I'm not sure what "dog ears" are in an MP5. There is no gas system in an MP5. And when discussing the reduced flash and sound, I'm referencing the MP5 with a silencer. It wouldn't make any sense to care about sound and flash from the ejection port on an unsuppressed gun. There is no special or rare ammo required. You can shoot a suppressed MP5 with any standard 9mm ammo, but I again assumed everyone would know I was referring to only subsonic loads when discussing it's reduced sound. And yes, I am comparing different firearms (apples and oranges as you put it), that was the point.

[@dab0331]

It's actually because it's a 9mm. You don't want a rifle round which will easily punch through flimsy American interior walls and end up hitting an innocent civilian or hostage.

[@kraemer66]

@@dab0331 Counterintuitively, the faster 5.56 tends to break up and in most cases penetrates fewer walls than the 9mm which generally retains most of it's mass. Also the trend in American departments is moving from 9mm carbines to 5.56.

[@nicholasgallo3599]

Cappy, you do know the mp5 is still popular often with police units today because criminals terrorists and other bad guys don’t always have access to Kevlar vests and other body armor and it’s still a very good sub machine gun

[@AMoistEggroll]

As much as I love the sweet form and function of the MP5, the times are changing against not just the MP5, but for SMGs in general despite that it's somehow hanging on. SBRs and PDWs have become more prolific, body armor tech keeps advancing, and more and more people are armoring up. So obsolete? No, not really. Just more for specialized units than anything else nowadays.

[@markwierzbicki5307]

I believe I have said this before on your channel, however the British Army use the H&K MP5A3 in 5.56 for the close protection role from the mid 80’s to early 2000. I had sooooo much fun with my MP5K ( CP drivers weapon ) between 88 and 90.

[@andrewmoore7022]

If it's in 5.56 it would be a HK53 not a MP5

[@markwierzbicki5307]

@@andrewmoore7022 you are 100% correct, don’t know why I put MP5 A3. Must have been an over 60s moment. Lol

[@thenecrolept]

That floating MP5 was an amazing effect - I had to rewind to see what just happened, and then laughed aloud when I saw the fishing line. Hilarious!

[@sitcorocket]

When i was first issued one in the 90s it was the coolest and most reliable and rock steady bits of kit around. Same 9mm round as our glock sidearm so interchangeable ammo in case of stoppages or unforseen circumstances. Ours had a torch and an aimpoint red dot sight. Absolute dream of a gun with little recoil. Lightweight with good slingpoints, great for building searches and accessing confined spaces. The only great discussions were over the type and grain of ammo so as to avoid over penetration. Loved it... Happy times.. Sigh....

[@shooter505]

I had the distinct honor of being trained as an MP5 operator and instructor (2 separate 1-week classes) by Phil Singleton, one of the SAS operators on the Iranian Embassy raid in London. Great guy, knows his stuff for sure.

[@brettb4452]

That's way cool. As a dealer I know some of those guys in those circles and they're a wealth of information on HKs

[@bluefleet1655]

people be praising the mp5 while im like, wheres the ump 45.......the gun that was basically to replace the mp5 but no one got it cause, they all liked the mp5

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

After handling the USC I fucking hate it

[@mynameisjeff6988]

Because the ump45 is the worst sub gun ive ever shot. Not quality wise, because like everything HK makes, its superb, but the many times ive shot one, i realized why its not more popular. Its like a shoebox with a brick going back and forth in it if that makes sense. The gun is so light and the bolt is so heavy that it's recoil impulse is just unpleasant

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@MisterNi It's like if you stuck a giant steel bolt into a Nerf gun. It's exactly like that. I hated it.

[@Spider-Too-Too]

ump might looks good in a terminator movie used by the robots. but we human prefer the elegant design of a mp5

[@suprlite]

The 10mm auto mp5 has more punch, range and penetration than the ump45.

[@hanmanse4600]

MP5 : " nobody can defeat me" Body armor : " Hold my beer"

[@CptSpears007]

My god are people still making this type of comment.

[@ls200076]

@@CptSpears007 CptSpears007: "My god are people still making this type of comment." Everyone: "Ye fam"

[@norfcarolinadude8179]

@@ls200076 Well, it's a dead meme, and just like every meme template, it isn't funny, only original memes are funny most of the time

[@labibtazwar5423]

Mp5 is my favorite submachine in this world Though there are weapons like sign mpx and vector which are better than it now But mp5 will always be in my heart and I always use it in every game Hk slap look good

[@Cosmefulanito2812]

The vector was rejected by every military force, while the mp5 is still under use by many spec forces currently, so there's no way it's better

[@elv7701]

@@Cosmefulanito2812 being rejected doesn't mean its worse. Countries don't just look at how a gun is better than a previous one, they need to account for the logistics of the weapon, its cost, and its ability to be integrated into said military. The Vector could functionally be better than the mp5, but a country wont accept it into service if its too expensive, if they cant manufacture or import it reliably no matter the situation, and if its too difficult to adjust the soldiers to the new weapon.

[@Cosmefulanito2812]

@@elv7701 of course, but I mean, it must mean something. Also, the mp5 is also pretty expensive like all the H&K

[@ahandgrenade3640]

My favorite sub-gun is and prolly always will be the mp40.

[@Cosmefulanito2812]

@@ahandgrenade3640 respect tho

[@tropicalhorizongaming5459]

This gun is just iconic, it’s got such a recognizable look, like the Tommy

[@stevenshaw6766]

The MP7 is the new MP5. Fires a 4.6mm round which is capable of penetrating pretty much any body armour and will not over penetrate the body even at close range. We converted from the MP5 to the MP7 in 2007 and it is a great system. Perfect for CQB or Close protection and will be effective up to 100m.

[@vonsprague7913]

You absolutely nailed this video! All the points were thoroughly covered. Why was it so successful and reliable from launch is easy, H&K! Is it obsolete? No, easy answer better optics allowing accurate shot placement especially at the short and medium ranges the 9mm calibre excels at. Good job buddy.

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for watching I appreciate the words of encouragement friend! agreed the H&K MP5 will live on !

[@Xeemix]

DAMN that transition was clean, on a sidenote, a dozen countries manufacture and have dedicated factories to just churning these puppies out (China being the only unlicensed boi), in my personal opinion the MP5 is the SMG analog to say the AK and M4 being used in over 90 different countries and hundreds upon hundreds of units many being the main weapon of some countries armies, its the GOAT of SMGs and a staple in the gun world as far as I am concerned, on a separate note, check out the HK53. Of course, the fact that I own a mp5 clone has nothing to do with this perspective. Damn awesome video.

[@erccdang]

Him: Alt tab out of whatever video game you are playing. Me: I feel attacked!! 'Quietly alt tabs'

[@Taskandpurpose]

I see all you out there playing Civilization 3 ...okay that one was good I understand !

[@luggnutz]

I like that you had your own personal range safety officer ready to catch you for a walk back! The MP5 is still one of my all time favorites, it is so smooth. I've had the pleasure of handling just about every version, and selected to F/>>>>. The SD is amazingly quite, what a dream.

[@crwilliams4597]

The reason why the MP5 seemed to work so well is that it is a scaled down version of the G3 which was based off the CETME.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Which itself was based off of the STG-44.

[@THE_GUY_ONE]

@@Slender_Man_186 Actually they were based on german prototype rifle STG-45 (M). www.google.cz/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_45(M)&ved=2ahUKEwiCkIO_r-b5AhWHNewKHUObBkcQFnoECEAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3RFv5ef0BClJOeu0DVxdG_

[@oldls7t_211]

@@Slender_Man_186 nope it was based on a mauser prototype to replace the stg44, the stg44 had a gas system which added a lot of money to production cost and a couple mauser engineers who studied the bolt bounce, a malfunction of the mg42 and stg44 where the guns would fire and cycle without ever locking up properly but not have any sort of dangerous or even negative results, it would just continue to run. That made the mauser engineers experiment around and develope the roller delayed blowback we know today for the stg45m aka the gerät06. There have only been a handful of parts made for those guns before the end of the war and have only been assambled by mauser employees to show the guns to the allies after the war. However after the war Germany wasn't allowed to produce any weapons so a lot of the mauser engineers moved to Spain and continue their work with the roller delayed blowback system which resulted in the cetme, when Germany was allowed to produce guns again in the 50s and and needed a new service rifle for the bundeswehr, the mauser engineers went back to germany and started working for the spiritual successor of mauser, H&K, where they continued to tweak their cetme design and perfect it into the g3 and the other roller delayed blowback guns we know today. Sorry for the novel.

[@StormBringare]

The version HK did for the FBI with last shot bolt hold open and bolt release is a massive improvement to the original version, if HK could build on that and add an ergonomic magazine release, flared magwell and a good mounting option for lights and lasers it would definitely still be viable for civilian and police use.

[@frogman4700]

or you could use the already existing MPX which has those same features

[@StormBringare]

@@frogman4700 Irrelevant. The question of the video was: is the MP5 obsolete? I'd say it is due in part to weapons like the MPX that has more modern features, but it would be a perfectly viable option for certain niche uses with those upgrades.

[@DrHanes]

Obviously you've never seen a modern MP5 before. There are around a million different ways to mount a laser, flashlight or optic.

[@StormBringare]

@@DrHanes Mostly aftermarket stuff right? I'm talking about making the MP5 viable in comparison to other similar guns that are more modern.

[@yarrickfury]

@@StormBringare emm no, if you want modern mp5 whit rail sistem and a differente stock you can buy it. but like all the HK weapon you need money, a lot of money.

[@justsomeguy6240]

You forgot that Kyle Reese, the Allstate guy, and 1 out of 2 1/2 men used it in the Navy SEALs movie from 1990.

[@TheDkb427]

Good movie

[@hemaccabe4292]

I would point out that the MP5 had a starring role in Navy Seals, Stargate, SWAT and Die Hard. Die Hard 2 would launch the Glock as well.

[@secretyoutubers5510]

Great video. The MP5 is the iconic 1980's. You mentioned the M4 and why it couldn't completely replace it. There are other weapons, now in the Catergory of Personal Defence Weapon. There's obviously the younger brother MP7 and of cause, every science fiction fan favourite weapon, FN P90. BOTH designed to be a replacement and use a different/new calibre bullet. I was wondering why not mention the others weapons that fit in that category.

[@cascadianrangers728]

Gun range I worked at had mp5. I got so good with it J could magdump into one big hole at 25 yards, and shoot a smiley face into the head on semi. I personally put about 10k rounds on it over 2 years. I don't remember a single malfunction, that wasn't someone lowering the cocking handle or failure at locking mag in Truly the Cadillac of smgs.

[@jupiterjunk]

Correction regarding North Hollywood: They did not buy AR-15's. They requisitioned high-powered rifles (bolt action/lever action) from the show just down the road. There was an interview with the owner WAAAAAY back when. .

[@racialconsciousness6996]

If it reliably goes "bang", it's not obsolete.

[@racialconsciousness6996]

@Eye0ftheSt0rm -- Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? Or is your ego really that sensitive?... Did I say anything about arming infantries with the MP5?

[@likydsplit8483]

My 60 year old Browning Auto 5 has entered the chat…reliably :-)

[@woah5546]

It's obsolete if things with better bangs are widespread.

[@racialconsciousness6996]

@@woah5546 -- You're obsolete.

[@woah5546]

@@racialconsciousness6996 Damn.

[@aravindc102]

There was a cousin to MP5 called UMP who died a premature death

[@rafaelalodio5116]

"Died" because H&K still makes them and several police and military also use it.

[@enasnI99]

@@rafaelalodio5116 The UMP died just like lots of videogames are dead, sure they still have some people playing (using) it still but overall it is a dead platform

[@avilhelm1697]

Wasn't the first UMP in .45 ACP? That alone limited its appeal since almost only the US uses that cartridge. The later UMP-9 I believe is supposed to be a cheaper alternative and be a bit more "fresh" than the "old" MP5 which examples in inventories are being worn out more and more in the last two decades.

[@rafaelalodio5116]

Edthekilekiller I think we have different definitions of dead then, for me HK G11 is dead, the Gyrojet pistol is dead, the Lapa bullpup is dead, but a gun still in production and use all over the world? If that is dead it is quite a zombie apocalypse.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@avilhelm1697 They made the UMP specifically so that the receiver was universal for all calibers, so that they could save money on production. Changing bolt and barrel allowed you to change calibers and the magazines had the same external dimensions so that they only needed to make one type of receiver for all countries that wanted it. The reason the appeal was limited was that the MP5 was just flat out a better product and countries with existing MP5 inventory would rather pay HK to get replacements than get an inferior but newer weapon.

[@saavedra909]

Here in Mexico City the old late 80s and early 90s H&K MP5 still on duty working perfectly as well some old school same era Uzis! Veteran weapons with lot of scars, scratched bad paint but still 100% operational.

[@RicolaTanker]

A key factor for not having problems at the initial release likely is that the locking mechanism is essentially the G3's mechanism scaled down, which itself had almost a decade of development under its belt. Once you know what kind of issues you're liable to encounter during dimensioning (especially tolerancing) goes a long way in making a quality product. Another factor likely is that the manufacturing at HK has its crap together when it comes to quality consistency. Recently, a bunch of turkish license made MP5SDs were imported here in Switzerland and the one my mate bought had issues with the sizing of the roller recesses in the trunion, the resulting required roller size and their space in the bolt head, making the gun a PB&J sandwich. In contrast, a genuine H&K bolt head performed flawlessly during troubleshooting.

[@edm240b9]

One of the things that lends the MP5 to it’s accuracy is it’s closed bolt design. Most SMGs are open bolt, but the MP5 is not.

[@Markus-zb5zd]

yep that's why it was one of the earliest compact carbines available for police use and one of the best

[@workerdroid290]

That is 50% of the reason. Closed bolt…check.. but the real genius of the action and recoil, and accuracy is the delayed blowback design of the bolt carrier assembly. It effectively keeps the moving parts of the bolt carrier motionless for an instant, allowing the barrel to remain on target before the recoil starts affecting the firearm. That instant is long enough for the projectile to exit the muzzle. Also the trigger is very forgiving, and makes up for imperfect trigger control. Very smooth, positive, and big surface area. A combination of a few critical features that result in a very nice primary weapon. Genius. Reliable. Efficient. Awesome tool. MP5’s rock!

[@jeffbenton6183]

It's my understanding that most successful submachineguns designed after the MP5 also fire from a closed bolt and some kind of delayed blowback mechanism. Is this correct?

[@tugarin2345]

They make MP5s in 10mm, the MP5 will never be obsolete.

[@TheDkb427]

They also made em in 556 but only a few

[@tugarin2345]

@@TheDkb427 You mean the HK33? It's been produced since the 70s I believe.

[@Avenrei]

During training, they say when you fire an MP5, you don't have to worry about the people behind the target as the rounds only lodge in person you aimed at.

[@dsd333d]

WRONG! mp5 will over penetrate sheet rock, glass and flesh vs 5.56 90% of the time

[@amondene]

Grabbing the MP5 from the on screen graphic was really clever

[@PubliusRutiliusLupus]

I wish there was a modern MP5 with a good trigger, full ambidextrous controls, modern optics mounting, etc. I think the closest we have now is the Angstadt Arms MDP-9 or the Mean Arms Bearing Delay Upper.

[@rad_lad_2715]

The intermediate cartridge took over the role of both the battle rifle and submachine gun. No need for either if you're gun shoots 5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, etc. That being said MP5s are rad.

[@ghansu]

Too much penetration for indoors use with those calibres especially 7.62/39. Maybe good for military but you dont want to shoot trough concrete walls if you have to go to house with not so bad neighbours

[@rad_lad_2715]

@@ghansu if you're using a short barrel 5.56, wall penetration is greatly mitigated. Super short barrel AR's are practically identical ballistically to sub machine guns.

[@adenkyramud5005]

@@rad_lad_2715 and they also have a second use as a flash bang 😂

[@disappointedoptimist255]

Full power rounds still retain energy out to further distances, definitely not obsolete. At the very least they will continue to be used in DMRs.

[@harveyknguyen]

@@disappointedoptimist255 i think he means to say in general combat situations, but every round has its own niche role

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

_Laughs in being not able to afford 9mm let alone a H&K_

[@labibtazwar5423]

Get Uzi

[@adenkyramud5005]

@@labibtazwar5423 would still need to be able to afford 9mm for that...

[@dansmith5505]

@@adenkyramud5005 Cast bullets, and homemade primers and powder.

[@Edaveragejoe6390]

Genuinely impressed with the research an insight you give to firearms. I’m glad it’s not just another cringy vet owned channel.

[@mickyday2008]

I fired an MP5 at the Gun Store in Las Vegas. Brilliant

[@FilipOpacicFilms]

Grabbing the 'thumbnail' mp5 off the wall was so extra. Top level production!

[@scottlin7876]

In the mid 80s I cross trained with a few guys from the German army. They brought their mp-5. We got to shoot theirs and they got to shoot our m-16. Good times.

[@workerdroid290]

The MP5 family of weapons are perfect for their niche roles. Having transitioned from UZI to MP5 in 1990, and used continuously for next 14 years, I shot them all, a lot. About 300,000 rounds. The standard MP5 is superbly reliable, accurate and user friendly. The Kurtz model, short version, requires meticulous cleaning, regularly, to maintain dependable reliability, and is most useful in personal protection roles and operations requiring climbing or small space operations. The SD version is a gem, and my choice. It also requires extra cleaning efforts to maintain its Rey high reliability, but those who know and love this sub model willingly take special care of this jewel of a firearm. Balance and accuracy are superb. They all bring the very best features of this amazing firearm, and are trusted and preferred by many in the dangerous operations for which the firearm was purposefully designed for. Close quarters battle. It’s always going to be the preferred weapon for many professionals in this field. It just works and compliments the role and task. Obsolete? Perhaps due to limits of the 9mm ammunition it can’t compete in penetration scales, but for its primary role it excels and remains one of the most coveted weapons in the past 30 years. I wish I had one..

[@JB_Shryke]

I'd like to see your take on the Vektor R4, R5, R6.

[@pauley3651]

Loved shooting an MP5 A3. You just couldn’t miss. The MP5K was just mental !

[@Buck123four]

Stationed in Europe in the 1980s; one of our senior NCO drivers for a 3-star carried a .357 Magnum revolver AND every morning stopped by the MP desk to pick up his MP-5, then picked up his armored Mercedes Benz. The 3-star took his security seriously; he had a Model 1911 for home defense.

[@ronaldflockhart5485]

You have to also remember that the SAS at the time was also running the Browning High Power same caliber.

[@ghansu]

And quite many armies still uses those FN high powers and mp5s. If it works, dont change it.

[@punishedsneed]

@@ghansu Clearly doesn't work against armored threats.

[@PerfectTangent]

"The MP5 just works" - Todd Howard

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

*MP5 clips through user's hands and falls on the floor, gains infinite velocity on the rebound due to a glitch, kills user by hitting him in the face

[@lunchpin403]

The only people telling you the mp5 is obselete are the people trying to sell you a new gun

[@crwilliams4597]

Yeah but what if I want the newer, improved design?

[@crwilliams4597]

@Richard Aponte There are several ways things can be improved. Look what POF has done with the AR-15.

[@whyno713]

R6 Vegas told me that the loss of favor for MP5 had to do with H&K's later offering, namely the MP7 and the 4.6mm ammo it was built around - to address all the issues touched upon in this most excellent video.

[@JohnRodriguez-si9si]

Prior to My Service in the Army's 3d Ranger Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment ( USASOC), as an Enlisted Marine Corps Field Radio Operator ( MOS 2531, Now MOS 0621) , I Myself got the rare opportunity to fire the famous H&K MP5 SD3 9mm x19 Parabellum SMG with 1st Force Reconnaissance Company , while as a MEU ( SOC) Marine, in the Philippines. Damn great gun.

[@arthas640]

4:20 fun fact: the US police wanted to ban body armor for civilians after this. America is one of the few places I can think of where "we need to ban protection. It's making things too hard for our militarized police to kill people rather then solving societal problems" and also one of the few places where a store has better guns then the police.

[@mghegotagun]

They still are in some states, such as new york. Meanwhile people like me get shot at for no reason in Harlem

[@JohnSmith-oe5rx]

The police isn't militarized, it is simply armed much more for shootings compared to European police which makes sense.

[@RigorFortis]

The g3-like charging handle though is terrible for stealth. Everybody can hear you 100m ahead in every direction.

[@cr_2413]

simple solution. Just scream as loud as possible when slapping the charging handle and boom no one hears it.

[@ProAverageGuy]

Give this guy some subs, he deserves it.

[@DargoDog]

Got to shoot a MP5 once, very smooth weapon, and scary accurate in the hands of a first-time MP5 shooter.

[@12breacher82]

Once the MP7 is made for civilians it’ll be obsolete... still love the K model. And that slap!

[@Odinthegod]

Strange to see my hated service old weapon from 1992 so popular 🤔

[@roadhouse6999]

What were you doing in 1992 that involved you having an MP5 as a service weapon? And why was it hated at the time?

[@ostiariusalpha]

@@roadhouse6999 Probably clapped out from use. The MP5 can get pretty unreliable after the parts get worn out.

[@Odinthegod]

@@roadhouse6999 Oh. Sorry. It was 1994. In 92 it was AG3 and Glock 17. In 94 I was a field medic instructor in the Norwegian national guard. I did not hate the mp5 as a gun, but as a medic. As a medic the mp5 was a hindrer. Always in the way. I only needed I Glock for self defence. I loved shooting the mp5. I think I shoot over 1000 rounds in one day with it 😁

[@roadhouse6999]

@@Odinthegod That's interesting, because nowadays in the U.S. military, many medics generally carry an M4 carbine and a standalone M320 grenade launcher.

[@Odinthegod]

@@roadhouse6999 As a medic we only are allowed to use our weapons when our lives is directly in danger. I was not a combat medic. They figth like a normal soldier. I was a specialist at a field hospital.

[@rcforb5255]

It's not obsolete, it's becoming obsolete and will be in 30 years. As long as Kevlar armour is getting issued more and more, the MP5 would eventually be replaced by something like the P90.

[@kesmeseker9593]

Not in police duties. Overpenetration is a thing you know.

[@enasnI99]

@@croskerk if they both shot the same caliber it would be even more interesting, but 4.6 seems to be a kind of dogshxt caliber (still wouldn't want to get shot by it obviously)

[@enasnI99]

@@croskerk Re-read my comment

[@enasnI99]

@@croskerk lol

[@enasnI99]

@@croskerk Yup, its sad that Germ threw a hissy fit

[@Timo0469]

Well,the mp5 also has a 5,56mm version, the HK53

[@notoriginal8450]

Yeah the ThickP5

[@unspokentruths6416]

It rolled off the shelves working because the Germans had so much experience working with and developing roller lock rifles during WW2. During the war they noticed bolt bounce with the roller locking mechanism and figured out that with the right geometry you can use rollers as a delay mechanism. Also it's not hard to design locking/delaying mechanisms for pistol calibers, especially if it's a rifle sized firearm.

[@ernie28ernie]

Did I miss the MP5K Briefcase? 🤣 With german police there is a saying: You can't miss with a MP5👍

[@petre5827]

Honestly, I think that every gun that can shoot and land an accurate shot cannot be called obsolete. There are STG44s and kar98 rifles that talibans use even today and can inflict damage to soldiers.

[@jackoneilsg1]

Well, there's obsolete and obsolescent. While obsolete means, that something is so outdated, that it simply can't hold it's own against the modern option (eg bolt gun vs modern AR). Obsolescent means, that it still fulfills it role, but there's something new, that fills it's role even better. If you had a squad of guys with Kar98ks vs a squad of guys with M4s/AKs/G36s/whatever modern AR, the latter would wipe the floor with the bolt action squad. But if you had a squad of guys with MP5s vs a squad with M4s fighting in CQB they would be relatively evenly matched, until you factor in things like body armor.

[@theimmortal4718]

Where do they still find ammo for STG's??

[@hailexiao2770]

@@theimmortal4718 Prvi Partizan probably, through a very long chain of intermediaries

[@theimmortal4718]

@@hailexiao2770 Yeah, I'd imagine. I never saw that over there. 99% of what I saw was brought from Pakistan and bought from the Chinese with heroin money

[@jaredavina9648]

Mp5 is basically the 80’s version of the Hk416

[@takeenr2461]

True If your referring to the role of the the two guns ( CQB combat)

[@spikedpsycho2383]

P90 rendered ALL submachine guns obsolete.

[@gunman155555678]

I would agree

[@KamikazeNews]

My favorite weapon. I remember playing watergun fights as a kid. The kids running around with the big squirt guns got out run, maneuvered, easier targets, i could hit better and all bc i had a smaller weapon that shot faster smaller streams of water and i had the same results in paint balling and video games with the mp5 with its fire rate and weight.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

The man that makes firearms history entertaining and amusing and informative. Bloody well done, great product.