Analog Summing with the M-32 Pro

[@mimidhof2179]

This was about Total Mix FX not about annalog summing. I thought I would hear the quality of the converters or the effect annalog summing had on your mixes. I'm a bit disapointed. Although I know this has no sense to listen to it in youtube compressed format. But anyway.

[@RMEAudio]

Thanks for your feedback. We decided against the A/B comparison for three reasons: 1. Listening experiences are very subjective (analog summing better/worse). 2. The main focus of this video was the routing and setup process because we got loads of questions from customers regarding the setup process. 3. Summing mixers sound very different and this could give the false impression that you can achieve only one sound with analog summing. But because of the many requests, we gonna make a second part video with an A/B comparison. Probably with more than just one summing mixer :)

[@africanrevolution3551]

Hey Adrian...as always; FIRE CONTENT!!!!! I'm looking at getting in the RME world with a RME UFX 3 and I would like whom from RME I can reach to for inquiries.

[@RMEAudio]

You can contact us via Facebook or email. [e-mail]

[@africanrevolution3551]

🙏@@RMEAudio

[@lk0707]

Would be nice if you could show stepy by step routing etc, instead of explaining the process. Also would be nice to hear before/after results.

[@RMEAudio]

Thanks for your feedback. We decided against the A/B comparison for three reasons: 1. Listening experiences are very subjective (analog summing better/worse). 2. The main focus of this video was the routing and setup process because we got loads of questions from customers regarding the setup process. 3. Summing mixers sound very different and this could give the false impression that you can achieve only one sound with analog summing. But because of the many requests, we gonna make a second part video with an A/B comparison. Probably with more than just one summing mixer :)

[@geokesidi]

I use rme gear many years now. Im very pleased with those products . On every tutorial i wach,i request color coding in total mix . how difficult can that be ? Any way ,great video.

[@pipposgarage7598]

We need the FIREFACE UFX+! We really need it! When should be available again?

[@RMEAudio]

How do you approach mixing? Analog or digital?

[@seanriley9045]

Would also have liked to hear the real world A/B test if possible. Thank you:)

[@RMEAudio]

Gonna do this in the next video for sure!

[@Hexspa]

Ah I was waiting for the sound comparison.

[@HernandoCruz]

Thanks

[@SynthaxAudioUK]

Yes Adrian wicked video mate. Love the tip about using snapshots to switch between the dry and wet versions! Prost!

[@skiiizo]

I really like your videos. Bravo !

[@RMEAudio]

Thank you Michel!

[@AngelicStreak]

How could analog have better separation than digital mixing? O.o

[@higgsxboson]

It doesn’t- some say the non linearities introduced by analog circuits can have a psychoacoustic effect.

[@error8418]

Even though I don't really see a benefit from analog summing, I might copy a few bits of this incredible setup.

[@RMEAudio]

Good idea! ;)

[@bncprado]

Man, I need to say that I'm an RME evangelist. Thank you for all your products and the amazing totalmix. How do I get a pretty digicheck like the one that shows here? Mine looks a bit older than the one that shows here. Thank you

[@RMEAudio]

Thank you Bruno. We used DIGICheck NG (available for macOS).

[@murraywebster1228]

Nice setup!

[@RMEAudio]

Thanks :)

[@thorstenweimar1190]

Yes! Analog Summing profits the most if you mix into the summing unit. Or in other words, you should involve your whole mixing process from the start. That would include other hardware units. For that reason (amongst others), light versions of summing mixers doesn’t provide the same sonic dimensions as the big brothers (MIXDREAM XP vs MIXDREAM). The summing mixer should work like an analog desk. That means, it is more than the summing of tracks, it’s more like shaping the sound of individual tracks (inserts) plus summing everything into a stereo mix bus. Then you can additional features to your mix bus, like stereo image/width, limiter etc. Basically, an analog summing mixer by itself should not color the sound. It is more about the stereo field, track separation and glue. I find it more complicated and time consuming to get an appropriate result when using plugins. Analog Summing seems to be easier and faster, but you should use high quality converters, like RME or other well known brands. The more analog ins/outs the converter/interface provides, the better the results in the analog domain. I know, there are many videos trying to show that you can achieve great results in the digital domain too. That might be true, but remember that the source material is almost every time recorded in rooms with great acoustic treatment (pro studios) with top notch gear and played by professionals. When you have a basis of such a quality then it is much easier (especially for pro engineers) to get great results in the digital domain. But who has such an environment at home or in their semi pro studio? Just my two cents…

[@Raglabdnb]

I have a Fireface UCX II but all have my analog inputs and outputs are in use. Is there an ADAT summing mixer that you could recommend?

[@tatuparssinen]

How about the AD stage after analog summing? What level are you aiming at for the digital print? Is it just under full scale 0dBFS or something like -14 LUFS or something else?

[@romichjordan]

any chance of black versions of fireface and preamps? thx

[@MrSRellz]

Great video! I’m so glad in having the MADIface Pro with all of the extra i/o to expand in the future. I once read on a forum post that some people were summing inside of Totalmix I stream of their DAW. so sending stems to the playback channels and either doing loopback or running through a 2 Bus external back into Totalmix. I’ve experimented with sending signals through to an Ensoniq sampler and definitely heard a wider stereo image. But is their any merit in just doing in internal Totalmix summing?

[@MrZyrenda]

Please show the quality of the converters

[@kostyakonstantinoff]

Is there any audio examples?

[@Studio_Papillon]

Hello RME, this ist a deferent topic i had to post iut here i just coudn't post in rme forum. So i use a UCX sound card since 2 years now i bought a new computer unfortunately there’s no USB ports but my music store told me that i just need a Thunderbolt to USB adapter is it so simple? The UFX+ is away to much for my needs

[@RMEAudio]

Yes, that will work. Make sure that you don't use your UCX on a USB hub, since some of them create problems.

[@Iwillownyouandbehappy]

I own Fireface UC. Is this possible to extend it with M-32 Pro and use both at the same time in my DAW?

[@Iwillownyouandbehappy]

DA of course

[@GingerDrums]

Till now I'm preferring ITB summing to analogue summing mixers, and have saturation, compression and clippers on my busses to taste for a more recallable, portable, fast and cost effective setup.

[@RMEAudio]

Also a great workflow! Whatever works best :)

[@stefanogiacovelli3477]

I really liked the video and the explaining... but you didn't let us hear the sonic results! :-)

[@RMEAudio]

Thanks for your feedback. We decided against the A/B comparison for three reasons: 1. Listening experiences are very subjective (analog summing better/worse). 2. The main focus of this video was the routing and setup process because we got loads of questions from customers regarding the setup process. 3. Summing mixers sound very different and this could give the false impression that you can achieve only one sound with analog summing. But because of the many requests, we gonna make a second part video with an A/B comparison. Probably with more than just one summing mixer :)

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Total Mix is the same for all RME? What about the "FS R" model?

[@RMEAudio]

The ADI-2 series is not supported by TotalMix FX.

[@seanriley9045]

Fantastic! I have been finding very creative ways to work with RME total mix FX as well. Thanks for sharing this.

[@RMEAudio]

Glad you like it :)

[@jaymurphy6844]

All that lovely equipment, yet doesn't seem to own a De Esser :D

[@RMEAudio]

Adrian‘s voice is as sharp as his mind ;)

[@jaymurphy6844]

@@RMEAudio :D

[@hannebudio267]

Nice video but is totally ruined by the fact that eventually we didn't listen the A/B comparison so everything said at the beginning of the video is just marketing words. In order to invest in DACs and ADCs plus summing box it's important to listen to the difference.

[@RMEAudio]

Thanks for your feedback. We decided against the A/B comparison for three reasons: 1. Listening experiences are very subjective (analog summing better/worse). 2. The main focus of this video was the routing and setup process because we got loads of questions from customers regarding the setup process. 3. Summing mixers sound very different and this could give the false impression that you can achieve only one sound with analog summing. But because of the many requests, we gonna make a second part video with an A/B comparison. Probably with more than just one summing mixer :)