RN Duca degli Abruzzi - Good But Actually Bad

[@danielmostert993]

I am currently grinding the Scharnhorst and can say Most of the 5.7 ship you mentioned I have never even seen in game. Premium cruisers and destroyers are about all you see. Helena and Moffet front and centre. Its sad, really sad, that so many ships just get ignored.

[@Napalmratte]

Idk if they get ignored but everyone shoots them because they die faster than Helena in particular. As I said, I'd wish it would be possible to see those ships more often.

[@lavrentivs9891]

I'm currently at 5.7 with my british ships and I've almost stopped playing ships completely because of the Helena-spam, especially since I always meet them in combination with dreadnoughts, so I'm completely outgunned by everything. It feels like the only part of ships that's at least some fun to play is 4.7 destroyers.

[@conduratcornel8455]

@@Napalmratte 70% of Helena cruisers are zombies/bots , and as long as the dev are only complacent about people spending money just to afk no sane person would spend time on grinding the painful way with normal ships that suffer from a bad and poorly design economy that forces artificially people to either spend money or bleed dry by grind. I for one use battle rating 7 ships on realistic for the winter quest and still takes a long time , can't imagine on the poor souls using something less..

[@roadhigher]

Great video Napalm, you're the only CC for this game that consistently covers Naval, its like the community has forgotten about this entire game mode just like Gaijin themselves did. Thanks for actually putting in the effort and covering this forgotten part of the game.

[@Napalmratte]

well the community has forgotten about my naval videos ;)

[@kkang2828]

Proceeds to ignore Gunship, Rowan, kesik123, and NAVY FODDER entirely XD

[@r-saint]

Thank you for being consistent and making new videos and reviews even tho TY algorythm hates you!

[@Napalmratte]

thank you for watching it :)

[@andreataffurelli3113]

Unfortunately this could be said for every ship that is not the american Helena or Brooklyn. Even the best Japanese CL, the Suzuya, that have the same amount of guns as the Helena but the same RoF as the Duca can be easily outgunned by the swarm of those american premium ships right at the start of the battle. In the end the problem lies in the game mode itself (like the armour degradation mechanic) and the maps that we have avaiable, that only reward ships with a high RoF. The same problem can be seen even with BBs, completely outgunned and stipped of their armor in a minute by those Helena bots with perfect aim and detonated after a few minutes, not being able to fire a few salvos. I still hope that they will implement some kind of map that can be enjoyed with every navy, not only the meta ones, so that we can see more variety around the battlefield and not only a full team of american ships and only 2 or 3 brave people that are not using them.

[@contemascetti7403]

The funniest part is where the Minisini (100mm Oto 1928 secondaries) have an higher RPM on russian ships and a lower one on the Italian ships, when it was basically the opposite and it should be pretty high. A totally insulting double standard.

[@antoniodemunari3335]

Bruh, I checked right now and you're right , same guns and 2r per minute slower reload

[@normaluser5755]

Yes it should be the other way around, as the Soviet mounts weren't updated at all, while the Italian ones during the service received an updated linkage that allows breech closing mechanics to actuate the rammer.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

@@normaluser5755 What's the source of it? I tried to find any, but neither NavWeaps, English nor Italian wikipedia have any mention of such an upgrade for the Italian mod. 28 guns that we have in the game. In fact NavWeaps states in numbers the very exact same rate of fire that we see in the game.

[@TheAngelobarker]

@@SkywalkerWroc my forum post on wt forum has the proof you need. Keep in mind English sources in this are almost universally wrong atm.

[@bobdole6768]

Is this a Duca review or a Helana one? You spent more time talking about the latter, like most of your videos (and the moffett)

[@NineSeptims]

good to see you back Napalm

[@Napalmratte]

It's good to be back! Well I was never gone but I just had no energy to do videos :/

[@rickalonso1502]

Italy needs a more modern battleship

[@Napalmratte]

well here is the problem with an italian modern battleship: What would it be good for? The grind is the main problem! Playing the RN Pola as a premium is pain and if the ammo of the BB is not meta, you have sadly won nothing. All of NF is in a sad state, even more so with the event!

[@spamprotection9763]

Italy needs to be brought down to 5.0 or less to be competitive. At 5.7 you will be always up tiered.

[@turtlepowa]

@@spamprotection9763 5.3 was perfect

[@BussyGobbler]

I was hoping to see the Conti Di Cavour class post refitting this update, but instead, we got this practically useless cruiser. I guess we gotta wait until Russia gets another paper battleship before Italy gets anything remotely usable

[@xbeheritx8323]

littorio class battleship Roma

[@NecroTree-vm5oj]

I'm so sad about the state of naval forces, because it's the reason I started playing War Thunder: to play with german ships (impatiently waiting for Bismarck). I just want to have some fun with the Prinz Eugen and the Nürnberg, but because of all the Helena and Zhelensnyakov's, I can't have fun. Moffets and SKR-7's are ruining destroyer gameplay for me, and I'm scared for the battleship and battlecruiser gameplay. Coastal is also not nearly as fun as I think it should be. My biggest Problem though, is HE. Getting ammoracked out of the blue is not fun at all. I will pray for the improvement of naval forces. Grüße aus Schleswig-Holstein!

[@fangan4770]

Did GJ nerf ammunition of battleships or buffed cruisers within the last months? I took a 7 months break and now it takes ages to destroy a cruiser (like the Helena) in my Marlborough, Hood or other Battleship/Cruiser. Also, I get much less one-hits by hitting the ammo racks with around 40-60kg tnt filler. Feels like Helenas are broken af.

[@HamburgerMolester]

Battleship guns really do feel underpowered. Especially the early dreadnaughts. You expect to be clobbering stuff but it's just not the case.

[@ZeroZeroSection]

In Fire and Ice, SAP lost the ridiculously huge HE aura that it had and no longer acts like a bomb on impact. This specifically hit high filler SAP really hard (like what the Japanese 14" guns use) and now you're better off just running AP. Helenas are really obnoxious because they have an uncanny ability to survive every single one of their shell rooms being blown up and still continuing to sail unimpeded.

[@HamburgerMolester]

@@ZeroZeroSection I read something in recent patch notes about shell rooms failing to detonate when destroyed. Seen it a few times myself. Think that might be a factor?

[@chadhill8992]

To be honest I’m glad I managed to skip it and get the Andrea Doria before it’s introduction. But whatever, i must say that using the zara and the Trento I don’t really have problems facing moffet and Helena, the ap if they land in the right places can do huge damage. Plus a tip from an Italian main, for the secondaries (100mm’s) use he ti light fires and ap for destroyers only. I don’t know what they did to the he for the main batteries but yesterday I sunk 2 Arizona with zara.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

Yep, can confirm on all points. Honestly: There is no BR where I would see a Helena spam. No idea what he's ranting about. @ Secondaries - honestly, I don't even bother with the AP. Just load HE in them to tickle down external crews and light fires, while and letting primary battery do the AP job.

[@nou1472]

I use my Prinz Eugen and Admiral Hipper for the event. Usually goes pretty well. Hope you had a nice Christmas ^^

[@MrDJBrucey]

How about putting ships like the Helena upto BR. 6.3? :-)

[@magiaconatus]

I hate to break it to you, but 6 RPM is the theoretical rate of fire. The practical rate of fire achieved was around 4.5 RPM, so it could or should have been much much worse. The Italians went with a more reliable, but slower reload rate for the new 152 mm guns. It is what it is.

[@TheAngelobarker]

Yes kinda however she was proof against Helena's rounds irl. But gaijins dumb artificial armor mechanics means that's irrelevant. The guns however are slower than irl due to Italy's method of measuring rof. Italy still wouldn't have been comparable to Helena but it should be faster. The guns in unedited gun house footage visibly have a higher rof.

[@HamburgerMolester]

You ain't lying about server stability issues. Saw a whole enemy team get replaced with bots except for one player, and of course he was running that autopilot script. I almost got kicked as well but I closed the game through task manager when the lag started to hit. The game will let you rejoin if you close it that way before the disconnect. If you wait for the disconnect it'll replace you with a bot and lock your crews in the hanger. I don't always get the chance to do that though. I'm getting sick of flushing rp boosters down the toilet. Spend more than an hour doing the co op modes, all for nothing.

[@ousou78]

Sadly for now the naval meta is all about firerate rather than hard hitting big guns. Played the Portland once and never touched it again while I'm having a blast with the Atlanta melting even 6.0 cruisers with a 5inch shower. I'm not sure how Gaijin's naval damage modele works exactly but I suppose it's close to what we originally had in ground force where all that mattered was the HE filler in the shell. I don't know if it is realistic but at least for a balance purpose Gaijin should add additional spalling damage depending of the velocity of the shell and the calliber.

[@ErdenizS]

A year or so from now on, I bet Gaijin will make Naval even more dead by introducing things they shouldn't like missile destroyers and submarines, and people will jump in joy for that while they do it.

[@mikemandalorian9226]

and stupid Br will place them against ww2 BB's...

[@jiewang6845]

Could you do some more reviews of tech tree ships? Specifically mid-tier cruisers. I would appreciate advice on which ones to choose to unlock first thanks

[@dioluia2688]

One of the biggest problem of the Italian naval tree as a whole is the rate of fire of the guns. I believe that this is due to the fact that the Italian navy used only the real rpm instead of also the theoretical one as everyone else did (and Gaijin does’t care about the difference)

[@normaluser5755]

Yes. Just compare the 100mm Italian AA guns on Italian and Soviet vessels. The Soviet ones have a higher fire-rate despite the fact that they weren't upgraded, and they lacked dedicated ammo elevators on older vessels. Italian ones on the hand, were upgraded and they had an updated linkage that allows breech closing mechanics to actuate the rammer

[@SkywalkerWroc]

@@normaluser5755 What's the source of it? I tried to find any, but neither NavWeaps, English nor Italian wikipedia have any mention of such an upgrade for the Italian mod. 28 guns that we have in the game. In fact NavWeaps states in numbers the very exact same rate of fire that we see in the game.

[@normaluser5755]

@@SkywalkerWroc There's a topic on the WT forum called "Minisini photos". There are photo comparisons of the old russian mounts and modernised italian ones.

[@kkang2828]

Nah the Italians aren't unfairly nerfed in any way. All ships use maximum official trials RoF with some even being a bit artificially boosted. Italian guns were just that slow firing IRL.

[@TheAngelobarker]

@@kkang2828 ehhh buddy you can directly compare recorded fire rates in guns Italy sold other nations to see that's not true

[@cliffthelightning]

Ive finished with the Italian Bluewater line but it was a struggle, nothing like tiny maps and being molten down by premium 5 inch. They need to rework game modes for naval because the dpm you can do in Italian ships is just nowhere near a lot of the premium ships.

[@nyccoyax3831]

what did they do to the aiming ?? I CANT HIT ANYTHING AFTER THE PATCH

[@SkywalkerWroc]

Nothing. It works fine. Just as it did before the patch. L2P mate

[@serjacklucern4584]

my only complain abut this ship is the rust-painting job.

[@FlyMysticalDJ]

Make Helena 7.0 imo

[@SkywalkerWroc]

It's already at 6.0, which is the highest BR light cruisers go to. There's something wrong with Helena's crew placement, and the crew count is definitely too high, IMHO. Just bring the crew count down from 1188 to Brooklyn's 868 and place it identically - it will be fine at its BR.

[@defectivemagnifyingglass9306]

how would this thing fare against the myoko? am currently grinding out this and I haven't seen a single player playing italy

[@architanchik]

Not about theme of video I found that AM-1 get 3 naval mines in this patch, and I didn't find someone who tell about it. Does this much buff for him in naval, or just "ok, fine"(also custom load added)?

[@Napalmratte]

Well thx for Info. Die Not know that. IMO the 3 torps are more directly useful 🤔

[@Viking88Power]

Need to get around to grinding the Italian Navy.

[@oscardinogetti3824]

Yup, premiums ruined naval. Feel ya there. Hopefully the snail does something sooner or later.

[@GMan33195]

Napalm what are your thoughts about Gajins fix to the naval zombies? It seems to me that matches are more competitive now, and you have to play a bit more carefully or get focused by multiple people if you push too hard (like the old days, haha). Queue times might be a bit longer as well but I don't mind that too much.

[@Napalmratte]

did they though?

[@GMan33195]

@@Napalmratte well right after the patch they were mostly gone and now today I'm seeing a few of them per team, though less than before. Soo kinda? Maybe they have already found a way around the fix.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

@@Napalmratte Yea, they did. There's definitely a huge difference since the patch was released.

[@nubbles162]

For some reason I have been struggling to get kills in naval in the last few days. I almost always get a kill assist now. The FPS bug is bad for me.

[@zohaibtariq7351]

Lesson learned after watching this video: Sell your kidney and buy a Helena as soon as possible

[@bobbobson3616]

exploit I found: if you uninstall FPE you will keep the fire extinguisher repair option but it's instant. take this power, my non-Helena comrades, and use it to rid the world of this scrouge

[@tianyizhang2205]

Exactly, I cannot stand any other Italian ships after playing Helena, everything about it is so superior, better fire rate better shells better armor, the only downside is the lack of torpedo but that ain't a problem if I stay far away from the enemy.

[@zohaibtariq7351]

How do you aim??? I play arcade battles mostly and I just press X and the range is set automatically but I have to move my mouse up and down to make it accurate that is why most of time I can't see enemy ship because either I am looking at water or at sky but you are aiming straight at enemy and all your shots are hitting please tell how to do that

[@TheAngelobarker]

So he is using rb aiming so if you play ab you should go to options and select realistic aiming in arcade battles. It's more difficult but your mouse wheel is how you adjust range when you have turned it on.

[@zohaibtariq7351]

@@TheAngelobarker thanks I have already figured it out(the comment is 9 months old) Now I answer questions due to my experience in naval 🙂

[@zohaibtariq7351]

Are American BBs worth grinding?? Are they good?

[@Puddles117]

only the Alaska is only worthy one but ive seen ppl do some damage with the Arizona

[@SkywalkerWroc]

@@Puddles117 "I seen ppl do some damage" with everything. There is no bluewater ship in this game where you wouldn't be able to have a great game in. @Zohaib Tariq - The only reason why I would grind the Arizona and North Dakota trees are possible future warships (e.g. Arizona's branch is likely to receive Iowa class at some point, in a few years). If you want BBs - play Soviets or Japanese. In general there's one thing Napalm is spot on about - if you're ever in doubt which tech tree to play in Gaijin's games - pick Russian/Soviet.

[@gonzalofernandez3993]

Some love for naval wt….

[@SkywalkerWroc]

You see nothing but Helenas? What are you on about? Here on EU servers there's a huge variety of ships, there's no Helena spam.

[@taxcollector5920]

mikhail kutuzov review please

[@turtlepowa]

Helena is blantely overpowered at 6.0 same goes with all the amrican ships of the same type and moffets should not go below 5.0 its suck a big issue. Italians have double the reload and worse shells and not as much Fire protection either

[@Mii_Oh_Nine]

Another thing that has become super annoying in naval forces with the blatant aim botting that is going on, they get accurate shots right from the get go, it's so dumb

[@Mii_Oh_Nine]

To add could you make a video about this? Arguably the aimbotting is a billion times worse than the older bots who just switched to the light AA and left everything else to the AI gunners

[@lord_igorious1426]

I don't know why are you crying about Helena. It was best WW2 CL.

[@HamburgerMolester]

Probably because it takes forever to sink one even with battleship guns.

[@MrROOK1123]

Give me 1970 ships

[@Napalmratte]

Mikhail Kutuzov is from 1986 :) HMS Tiger is from 1960 There are also many PT boats from this time ))))