RN vs PA vs NP: Which is for you?

[@noelleticman3475]

FINALLY!! A NP vs PA video that's relevant and relatable! Most videos with a similar topic out there discuss the basic comparisons (flexibility, lateral movement, health models). Keep up the awesome work!!

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thank you!

[@PagethePA]

Had fun doing this bit with you!

[@mursetalk]

Page The PA how do you like Emory's PA program?

[@PagethePA]

Murse Talk it’s getting the job done!

[@laurenkeranakis9869]

Your accent is perfecttttt. Looking at the periodic table and saying “helllll no.” You had this NC girl rolling 🤣🤣

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

LOL I'm a little country 😂

[@caribaez5711]

I would be a NP because if I became a BSN Nurse, I am more educated with the scope of Nursing practice. But still, PA sounds very similar. You can get any science health related degree for PA but for NP you got to have BSN.

[@rebekah9502]

My pre-reqs for community college nursing are: Anatomy & Physiology 1, College Algebra, an English course, and a pre-nursing course. Super simple. But then for the University of Maryland School of Nursing (where I'll transfer to) I also have to do (on top of those previous ones) are Nutrition, Chemisty 1 (but not intro), Anatomy & Physiology I and II, Human Growth and Development, Statistics, Psychology, Sociology, and Microbiology. I also have the electives and stuff, but yeah....

[@TheKagedd]

Nursing school pre-reqs: Anatomy & Phys 1&2 Microbio College bio Nutrition English 1&2 Public speaking Interpersonal comm Chem 1 OR biochem Psych 101 Developmental psych Sociology College Algebra Statistics Medical term Pathophys Yeah...this list is ridiculous...my school was very competitive. It was the only one near by my area

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

That is kind of ridiculous 🙃

[@eduardosantos-xp3iw]

Same here and does are just pre reqs nursing is not easy, we need more respect

[@marginelouis6674]

sounds like florida

[@stkgaming479]

The ASN(ADN) program prereqs at my school: Anatomy/Physiology 1&2 Human Growth & Development Human Nutrition Microbiology Any type of Humanities course Composition (English) I General Psychology College Algebra

[@mursetalk]

Most school prereqs are AP 1 & 2, Microbiology, algebra (however, I'm seeing more moving towards Pre-Cal math especially for BSN programs), English, Human growth and development. I think some BSN programs are looking at Chemistry as well. I've never needed it but I had already taken Organic and Inorganic Chemistry. If anything it helps for NP or PA school. Cool video but not really an insight to a difference of PA or NP. But I will say to anyone that comes across this, like what was stated, if you're into surgery then become a surgeon or rather a PA.(less debt and time and headaches). You won't get that necessarily as an NP. However, if you're into family medicine some med schools now offer a 3 year track instead of 4 years for family medicine. But again NP would be cheaper and less time and doesn't have to practice under a physician as one would if they were a PA. That is, if you live in a state that allows an NP to practice independently. Above all, as was stated in the video do your research on the programs. Try shadowing both NP and PA to help make your decision.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Yeah you know the video we did live we talk about more of the NP aspect. I probably should've done the title more accurate. It seems that the BSN's are moving to Pre-Cal and Chem, but I don't think the ADN's are. I interviewed the other day for a job at an ADN program and they didn't require Chem or Pre-Cal

[@Kendrick_RN]

Anatomy & Physiology I Anatomy & Physiology II Intro to General Chemistry Intro to sociology or Intro to anthropology Intro to Psychology developmental psychology Intermediate Algebra philosophy on Perspective on death and dying College English Composition Communication- Public Speaking College Reading My college required P.E credits I took Kinesiology( personal and community health) I will be applying to nursing school in March 2019.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

I'm wondering when schools started requiring Gen Chem. It seems like more and more are requiring than in the past. However, i'm not completely sure about that.

[@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro]

Peace be to you! I'm a new subscriber! I REALLY enjoyed this video! As a Physician Assistant/Associate, I work very closely with NPs! I have so much respect for them. One works as an ID specialist, the other, in Cardiology. I'm proud of the efforts of NPs to have gained their autonomy!

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Awesome!! Welcome

[@sjackson3806]

Hello Omar. I am a nurse practitioner and truly enjoy my role.

[@missjenn6861]

Nurses have a lot of skills that PA’s and Doctors don’t.

[@starmajors753]

The only prob here is a mixing of roles. You are comparing RNs with PAs which serve totally different roles. You should be discussing PAs and APRNs. Both can diagnose, treat, and prescribe. PAs have to work under the license of an MD. An APRN can, depending on the state, be completely independent. There by the APRN has more autonomy. You don’t have to be an RN anymore before becoming an APRN. Both jobs are great and you can go into specialties with both. The main thing is.... if want to be able to secure a job after your bachelors then go for your RN and then work towards your APRN. But if you already have a bunch of classes and it’s easier to satisfy your requirements for PA school then go for it. Personally I like knowing that if life takes a turn on me at least I already have a degree that can put me to work.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thanks for watching guys!

[@jessicaackman5263]

A&P 1 and 2, biology, microbiology, chemistry 1, lifespan and develop, college writing 1and 2, pathophysiology, med term, nutrition, speech

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thank you!!

[@IslemTav]

My RN pre-reqs at my community college were A&P 1 and 2, Chemistry 1, English 101 and 102, Psychology 101, and Statistics with Algebra (combined). Extremely competitive so the pre-reqs are the weed outs. However, I’m about to change my major to Biology to pursue the PA route.

[@jerad4336]

I would stick with nursing or Radiologic Technology then PA.

[@Lovebug07]

What makes you say this ? May you elaborate

[@jerad4336]

@@Lovebug07 I would put myself in a position to have a good job available in case you don’t get into PA school.

[@Lovebug07]

@@jerad4336 thank you because I have a bachelors in biology but if I must be honest I my stats are not competitive for pa school. I’ve been leaning towards an ABSN because I have all my prereqs. I feel I should just apply. I like that nursing is diverse in the aspect of different opportunities. Quite frankly I just am tired of wasting time. I graduated in 21’ and have been working low wage odd jobs. My gpa cumulative was 3.2 and I do not have as many patient care hours as most less than 1,000. I love science and A&P so I figure this may a good option for me to start with . Do you think I can excel if I don’t like dealing with fecal matter ? I know it’s apart of the job but is it realistic to go in other areas that doesn’t deal with bodily fluids

[@neganlanciani2941]

The nursing school I’m hoping to go to (while only a 2 year) requires a class just under pre-calculus for the math, a low college level English, and some arts/humanities for the credits. They also prefer that students have finished A&P one and two, which I have My grandmother and my dad are nurses and they have had their share of disrespect from hospital staff and patients alike just for being “lower on the totem pole” Edit: The school also requires a certification in CPR and encourages taking a phlebotomy certification corse

[@julianjohnson9401]

Classes for my ABSN program at UTA: 1. Chemistry 🧪 1 2. A &P 1 3. A &P 2 4. Microbiology 5. Pharmacology

[@kayleeguerrero1987]

2 years late, but that "hell no man" really got me since I dropped mid way in Chemistry (took Gen chem and passed with a B+!) but the Chemistry class really had me sobbing until 2 AM for no reason. That W on my transcript still haunts me to this day and I think I'll stick to Nursing especially with this online schooling lol

[@waterbottle910]

A&P 1 and 2. English 101 and 102, college math or statistics, microbiology, computer 101, public speaking, and human growth and development

[@saffirelastar777]

howard cc has intro to human life span development, psychology 101, college algebra, a&p 1and 2, microbiology, chemistry 101, sociology, intro to human ties, speech/communication, & English college composition. I am finishing my a&p 2 , humanities and speech I get my acceptance letter in about a month and start fundamentals of nursing in August.

[@saffirelastar777]

speech, a&p 2 and humanities are co-requisites

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Awesome!! Congrats on getting in!

[@abigailbates7852]

Prereqs for ADN were A&P 1and2, general psych, developmental psych, college writing and another English class, college algebra, and a humanities course. My RN-BSN program required 51 general hrs in general knowledge plus stats, developmental psych, and A&P 1&2.

[@iwatchkittenvids45]

NYC: gen chem 1&2, orgo chem, a&p 1+2, stats, human development, intro to psych, micro, nutrition, anthropology(Why idk).

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thank you for sharing!!

[@JoseGarcia-se1nx]

Prerequisites for my nursing program are chemistry, A&P 1 and 2, microbiology, psychology, sociology, English and development psychology

[@Scrubs7051]

I know this video is a year old, but my BSN program prerequisites included the gen ed courses like HIST 101 and stuff, but specifically, we had to take A&P I and II with labs, microbiology, general, bio, and o chem, psych 101, developmental psych, stats, nutrition, and sociology. 😊

[@TheHeyDood]

Most if not all Nursing schools now require at least one semester of chemistry( and some exposure to OChem). If you want to go on to be an NP....having a good amount of chem under your belt makes life easier. Also a lot of my classmates were weak in math. Since my "pre nursing" school life was engineering it wasn't a problem for me, but if you are not confident in calculations....take more math classes, it will help you in the long run.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thanks! I think the move toward chem is becoming more prevalent

[@tiffanysteltzman4920]

Intro to psych...life soan..micro bio..a and p 1 and 2..sociology..eng 1 and 2..and 2 electives

[@aneesahaguirre3794]

Great info I am still doing my research still on the fence if I want to do nursing or pa.

[@seanrelacss4913]

Here in Northern Nevada, the nursing prereqs for BSN are pre-calc, human development across the lifespan, nutrition, gen chem 1, intro into organic chemistry, a communications course, A&P 1&2, and microbiology. On our HESI are math, grammar, reading comprehension, A&P and a presonality test.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Hey where were you at in Northern Nevada? I was in Elko for a little while?

[@seanrelacss4913]

Crosby Steen, MSN, RN Hey Crosby, I did see your videos about travel nursing in Elko! The prereqs are for the University of Nevada, Reno.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Gotcha!

[@iwatchkittenvids45]

I had these same reqs except needed stats and intro to psych as well

[@breannajohnson3658]

Great video. Working on my BSN right now, main goal is to be a NP!

[@elizabethhennessy6983]

Nursing school pre-requirements (ADN which leads to being a RN): TEAS test minimum 60 score (Fall) to 62 (Spring), Chem 101, Anatomy and Physiology 107. You also require a background check and a health assessment. You will also need insurance. You will need to attend a orientation. These are the requirements that I needed to start at EGCC! I begin January.

[@MHSMagicLuver]

Lol I’m a second semester PA student and orgo was easier than gen chem for me. At least easier than gen chem 2. I even got an A in orgo 2 after not taking orgo 1 for 7 years. Also of course an RN won’t be given the same autonomy as a PA, a RN is a bachelors and a PA is a masters. But looking at an NP and a PA they are very similar, although not the same. Both sides have pros and cons to them. I also went to go follow him and I already am. :)

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Awesome! Yeah he's very active on IG

[@fredgarcia3748]

Texas: a&p 1 and 2, microb, quem 1, algebr, hist 1&2, soci, psych 1&2, statistics, pols1&2,

[@carmanjeffrey2]

Any opinions on getting a BSN/RN and then working as an RN for several years, and then going to PA school? I’m a critical care paramedic and would need a bachelors for applying to PA school anyway... so my thought is why not?

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

That's a good question. So the BSN will be more demanding than say some basic Bachelors degree. Also after you get a BSN you will know the nursing language and ecosystem of nursing. So I would think NP would be an easier route. But, Kaynen Brown who is a youtuber is an ER nurse who is going to go to PA school. In the end it's personal preference but I think NP would be a more natural route. But, either way you really can't make a wrong choice with either

[@davidleemckenzie]

Most schools here in New Mexico have adopted a state-wide curriculum for the ADN, that currently requires English (x2), Psych (x2), Biology *or* Chemistry *or* Microbiology, A&P 1&2, Pathophysiology 1&2. I supplemented mine with Nutrition, Sociology, History, Public Speaking, Statistics, and Foreign language to hopefully facilitate getting my BSN, though now I'm finding Microbiology pretty consistent among requirements to get into an RN-to-BSN program.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

That's interesting you have the choice of either biology, chemistry, or microbiology. It seems.most have just microbiology

[@davidleemckenzie]

It wasn't much of a decision in the end, since Biology was a pre-req for A&P and Patho. I do wish I'd had the foresight to take the other two when I was still a full-time student. Working nights as an RN, it's going to be rough trying to take Microbiology during the day!

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Yeah that will be tough. Maybe you can get an early class

[@mmprendergast]

Prereqs for my school: A&p 1&2, micro, biology, English 1&2, humanities, college algebra, intro statistics, human development, nutrition, psychology 1&2, speech.....So many.

[@sisoka1978]

In addition to the prereqs that everyone else listed I also had to take pharmacology, ethics, sociology, speech, psych, dev psych, and abnormal psych

[@eduardosantos-xp3iw]

sisoka1978 same, nursing not easy we need more respect

[@patriciajohnson3935]

Thank you so much for this video and channel. Thank you Sir!! #futurenurse

[@katherinesempai836]

In my school we have to take pharmacology, A&P 1-2, microbiology, English 101 102, and college algebra but if you manage to get a good score in college entrance exam you can skip the math classes and the English classes ( this are for people who are starting btw, these are basics courses I’m taking right now)

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

I sort of think everyone should have Pharm before starting. It just makes it one less thing to deal with while in nursing school.

[@rachelzatuchni2627]

Can I ask, how old were you when you started PA school? I'm almost 31, and starting a complete career change. I was originally thinking I'd try for a PA program, but as I did my undergrad in Communications, (didn't take bio, chem, etc) working on my pre-reqs (part time) to even apply to a PA program is going to take me 3-4 years. I'm starting to think the RN route may be more realistic. Thanks for the breakdown of the differences, I enjoyed the video!

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thanks, Im glad you enjoyed it. I'm actually a RN and Stephen is the PA. I'm not sure how old he is

[@hangingwithhannah6872]

I'm in the same boat! Same age and same question! I went to school for Elementary education.

[@angelinat6816]

Don’t be discouraged!! If it’s really what you want to do you still have time😊😊 the time it takes shouldn’t matter as long as you complete it

[@gracia2316]

@@angelinat6816 wow you're nice❤

[@G_ddamnFlabulous]

Below is a page from my school's information packet. Hope it helps, and THANK YOU, Crosby, for all your help! -Rebecca "3. Admission Requirements Applicants must exhibit each competency through an exam or coursework in the subject areas below to be eligible for admission. Math and chemistry competencies may be met through an exam or high school course, respectively, however the college courses of MAT*136/137 and CHE*111 may still be required as a pre-requisites for other courses. A. Courses/Competencies Check MATH - Accuplacer - 40 or greater on the College Level Math Portion - SAT I Math Section/New SAT Math - 550/570 or greater - ACT Math Section - 22 or greater - MAT*136/137: Intermediate Algebra, equivalent or higher - C or greater CHEMISTRY - High School Chemistry with Lab - C or greater - CHE*111: Concepts of Chemistry or equivalent - C or greater COMPUTER LITERACY - Computer Proficiency Test - Passing score at College of Choice - CSA*105, CSA*106: Intro to Software Apps, or CSC*101: Intro to Computers or equivalent - C or greater REQUIRED COURSES -Complete All Courses Below - ENG*101: English Composition or equivalent - C - BIO*211: Anatomy & Physiology I or equivalent - C+ - BIO*212: Anatomy & Physiology II or equivalent - C+ (can be IN PROGRESS during spring semester of application year) Program of Study Co-Requisite Courses to Include in the Calculation of the Nursing GPA (You can elect to take these courses prior to enrolling in the nursing program. If you earn a grade that meets the minimum required it WILL be calculated into your Nursing GPA for admission): - BIO*235: Microbiology - C - PSY*111: General Psychology - C - PSY*201: Lifespan Development - C - SOC*101: Principles of Sociology - C - ENG*102: English Composition & Lit - C - ELECTIVE - C

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thank You!!

[@spreadkindness6323]

Does a PA have a lot of patient care time or is it kind of similar to the time a doctor has with a patient?

[@marqueswilsonn]

There’s no info or links to Page the PA in the description

[@juliemac5604]

Don’t forget Psych and Soc and Ethics prereqs

[@joe_sabella]

Pre reqs: A&P 1&2, chem, pathophysiology, microbiology, medical term, and nursing 101 intro to nursing.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

So they require nursing 101 and intro to nursing as pre-req?

[@joe_sabella]

Crosby Steen, MSN, RN. No I may have just worded it poorly. Intro to nursing is the name for Nursing 101.

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Oh I got ya! LOL

[@jamespeek4846]

Great video

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thanks!

[@tiffanysteltzman4920]

That was a good impersonation I looooove Liam neeson

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Hahahaha

[@preciousjbs.ms.3504]

Are you comparing PA vs NP or PA vs RN? I think the lines are blurring possible?

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

We were talking about whether or not to go to RN school or Go to PA school

[@preciousjbs.ms.3504]

Okay! That makes sense.. thank you! Loved the video btw

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

Thank you 😊

[@lisabrookbank5675]

Stats

[@Shogun973]

If you are a high schooler do RN then pa/Med school ... most NPs have years of experience as RNs first

[@xckiana]

did u mean to say most PA’s are rn’s?? im in hs now, and im stuck on rn or pa..

[@Shogun973]

kvxsten no most nurse practitioners were RNs for a while then they go to NP school. You cannot be a NP without first being a RN. If you want to do PA you can have any major in college as long as you complete the required classes (pre-reqs). I’d got for Med school if you’re only in high school why shoot lower?

[@xckiana]

ShogunG the only reason im “shooting lower” is because academically im not the smartest, especially in math. compared to other applicants that’d apply for med school/ PA school i know i wouldnt get in 🙃 (thats not the only reason; money for tuition and the amount of school plays a part too) and the field that i like is dermatology, which apparently is even harder to match into. it seems easier (still hard! but easier) to get into nursing school, so thats what im leaning towards, a dermatology nurse practitioner. i just need to do some more research on PA’s because i dont know much about them or how long it takes, etc.

[@Shogun973]

@@xckiana I was the same way as you but once I learned the most efficient ways to study I ended up being top of my colleges in both undergrad and grad school.... PA and NP are the same thing realisticly. PA school is 4 years of college undergrad) then 2-3 years of grad school depending on the school. That is the same with NP but you'd have to be a nurse first and theyd want you to work for a few years before going to NP school You can be a dermatology PA and the thing about PA is you can switch from derm to ENT to urology whenever you want unlike most NPs who specialize

[@xckiana]

ShogunG ohh okay so now ur original comment makes more sense to me! i’ve also been thinking about doing RN first (since we need a degree for PA school it’d be a BSN) and then i would go to PA/med school. and that way just in case i didn’t get into PA school i’d still be a nurse. does that make sense/ seem right?

[@AhsanKhan-wo3oq]

carabian med school

[@lisar.2549]

Okay, so . . . NO specifics at all. Got it. Not very helpful guys.

[@rayannhaq9235]

bio 1100

[@tiffanysteltzman4920]

Does he have a youtube or just insta

[@CrosbyTheNomadNurse]

He's just on Instagram..he's not as in to KZbin as I am..lol

[@tiffanysteltzman4920]

Awesome thanks !

[@brynn8124]

People: Cut the CRAP about this. Most FNP's have been nurses for years before their FNP, w/ first hand experience watching many MD's action w/ respect to patients. And PA's are basically brain dead, which is why their License only allows them to work for ever more - under MD supervision. Whereas a Nurse Practitioner's License allows them STAND-ALONE, primary provider ability, and do not need everlasting MD supervision in almost all professional settings. CASE CLOSED!

[@10byrdie]

You’re an idiot.

[@marathongirl1000]

weak video