Roadside Discovery of Naked Man Leads to Convoluted Mystery | Noah Presgrove Case Analysis

[@moriakpotato]

With friends like these, who needs enemies.

[@Lez_awake]

So called friends wiping their phones clean just screams innocence, right?!

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

They are innocent until proven guilty.

[@Lez_awake]

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe I didn’t say anyone was guilty, nor did anyone else

[@Noodlepunk]

I think he was in the back of a truck and feel out anf got run over, people panicked and fleed. They migh have even been recording the shenanigans.

[@WOWCAT22]

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in the public's eyes.

[@WOWCAT22]

@@Noodlepunk You're not making any sense. How is that possible? There was no blood trail or evidence of a hit and run that was ruled out no glass, no debris nothing. Stop being so clueless in my opinion. This was no accident this was murder.

[@alainpreveaux2428]

It is interesting to note that the only member of the party to attend Noah's funeral was the best friend. No one has reached out to console the victim's family

[@Lez_awake]

They’re hiding but they can’t do it forever

[@lesliebednar5426]

Just demonic

[@the.chronic.ironic]

Absolutely sickening!!! Very tragic. I feel for his family…. How horrible.

[@jonightshade2252]

And he was supposedly a good looking, popular kid. Only ONE person from the house party he died at showed up? That is just so fishy to me.

[@clairecarscallen]

What a lovely bunch of ‘humans.’ Won’t they make great parents one day?

[@DrBellaLJ]

Noah’s family must be suffering- not only did they lose Noah, but not knowing how he died is horrible. It’s devastating and sad.

[@bold810]

Jesus knows what you are saying. He understands perfectly. I am drunk AND stoned right now, I don't plan on switching hirses mid-streamed. No Sir. 🎉

[@michaelleigh859]

We know he was murdered by someone at the house

[@charliechurch5004]

​@@michaelleigh859I would be looking carefully at who's shorts those were. As if that person took them back. I think it has something to do with that birthday girl. She was very pretty probably loved attention and maybe flirted around and the dudes there just went wild. So so sad.

[@Lily-wk8kv]

@@charliechurch5004that’s true I didn’t even think of that

[@deucedeuce1572]

@@charliechurch5004 Hard to say without evidence. For all we know it was a random attack (crime of opportunity). Have seen it happen before and we can't really assume anyone's guilt without evidence.

[@ammiller3911]

I have a similar story with a different outcome. When my brother was 19 he went to a party with a bunch of people. I got a call at work from the police. My brother had been dropped off at the hospital with severe injuries. The police said whoever dropped him off didn't even stop, they just slowed down and rolled them out of the car. My brother was in a coma for 2 months with severe brain injuries. His "friends" said he fell out of the back of a truck while they were joy riding and that they didn't stop because the driver was drunk and didn't want to get in trouble. The dr said it looked like mu brother had gotten beaten, because if he fell out of a truck his hands would have been injuries. My brother was a loud mouth drunk and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a fight. He sustained severe brain damage and had part of his skull removed. He will never be the same. No matter how aggravating someone drunk is, people need to understand that humans are fragile and hitting someone in the head has consequences.

[@sunnynights68]

Oh my god that sounds horrible, my condolences. I hope your brother continues to improve. 😢

[@maryd253]

I’m so sorry

[@katstan7954]

So sorry to hear ❤

[@Ryan_Rants]

not too mention alcohol makes people more vulnerable. They may not feel the pain as much at the time due to the intoxication, which masks how severe the injuries can be in the long run. I

[@mariahspapaya]

@@Ryan_Rantsmost people who are murdered are drunk and most people who commit murders are also drunk. Alcohol is a serious drug

[@JustMe-ef7xv]

Sounds like "friends" are lying.

[@carolynsilvers9999]

His clothing probably had blood and attackers DNA...they destroyed his clothes.

[@crownlaurus2610]

He was barely wearing clothes in the video. Most scenes show him shirtless.

[@captainamerica6525]

Sounds like murder.

[@johrathbun]

Or at the very least involuntary manslaughter, RIP Noah...

[@ThatBobGuy850]

Dr. Grande, I agree with your assessment that Noah was murdered. I mean, why were none of his belongings (phone, wallet, clothes) found? Something's fishy there. Something happened at that house, and the kids aren't talking. But they will. Sooner or later, one of them will crack. Sad story, though.

[@jtzoltan]

Phone was at the party still

[@ayomidel]

Just sad.

[@25Soupy]

I agree. Plus, 2 of the phones from the party (probably 2 guys) dumped his body on the road side and went back to the party as the phones location and movement describes. I think those 2 people will be key.

[@BRUCEYBOY]

​@25Soupy I wish there had been more details on those two people, but I guess we will have to wait for an update someday.

[@sharoncontini3284]

I agree it's all bizarre.

[@broeheemed32]

The injury to his neck was not one that could have been caused by falling or being thrown from the back of a truck. The injury was caused by a lateral strike, like one would swing a baseball bat, the wound being located on the back of his neck, as if violently struck by a small diameter heavy object by somebody standing to the side of him. Like a golf club...... one of which as "discovered missing" from a set seen at the house...... then the entire set "disappeared". The question isn't "was this murder?". It clearly was. The question is: Why is everybody covering for Jack Newton?

[@lilaulrich3193]

@@broeheemed32 I thought more than a few were striking him . They would have used something cuz Noah was in condition enough to fight well. As the video showed he wasn’t scared of anyone . They need several to do what they did and he was drunk.

[@kenrandall5680]

Alcohol never saved anyone’s life and has caused many heartaches for what ultimate end when all is said and done. What a terrible loss for the family and those that truly cared about this young man. 😞

[@doxasophosmoros]

Lol it's not just the alcohol! Mature adults handle it.. most of us anyway... its a toxin but a 40 year old woman being drunk and being able to handle a whole bottle of spirits vs a 17 year old boy full of testosterone, or even a teenage girl with zero tolerance is a TOTALLY different story. As a teenager I remember 4 people going haywire with a bottle of rum vs as an adult, at most we raise our voices at eachother but it takes a lot of booze to get to that stage. What I'm saying is that teenagers cannot handle booze and lots of stimulation etc, mostly cause of sexual competition between people and they can't handle emotions. Being a teenager or early 20s is already difficult.. but a teenager drunk is the worst... and they were obviously trashy people. What parent allows their kid to have a 4 day drug and sex fuelled party?? Yuck.

[@DavidBaker-cx1ni]

Ken, that old devil alcohol is never given credit for the damage it does. I don't begrudge the extended partying, but it came at a high cost. Noah, drunk out-of- his-mind, streaking down the highway, got clobbered by a truck ending up in pieces. His friend Jack gets it right.

[@Jasmine215100]

@@DavidBaker-cx1ni For some reason, I think after the ATV accident, his friends had to clean him off, maybe he was hurt? That's how he lost his clothes!

[@MrSeanman30]

A couple people didn't go to the World Trade Center the day they were hit because of hangovers. I guess alcohol saved them technically?

[@mbg140897]

@@MrSeanman30That’s a one out of a million scenario. Alcohol causes far more problems than it doesn’t. This is coming from someone who’s almost 3 years sober that used to defend it heavily and brag about drinking anyone under the table. The shit is no joke. Especially when younger kids are getting involved with it unfortunately. Many tragedies you hear about could’ve/can be avoided had it not been for alcohol.

[@KyleSimpson-q1j]

It's been over a year and they still don't know what happened to this guy Noah? 😥

[@texasterri2002]

Thank you so much for covering Noah's case. This case needs national attention.

[@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul]

Here's what I've learned from Dr. Grande and other True Crime broadcasts: Don't be the class clown, don't be the one who "lights up a room", avoid being "everybody's friend ", and above all don't be the person "who would give you the shirt off his back." These are the people who end up as subjects in Dr. Grande's videos.

[@BrooklynBaby100]

Jealousy and envy run rampant. My entire family acts humble and almost stupid so people will leave us alone. They don’t know our true successes. ✨

[@rosemadder5547]

​​@@BrooklynBaby100 does that mean they're not humble people? It's just an act? That sucks to learn about people later on lol that they fake humility... Red flag 😯

[@twocents7495]

@@rosemadder5547that’s your take away?

[@Laurie-qn9yl]

I’m safe 😢

[@ben6591]

Don’t let other people shut you down like that. You’re letting the predators that walked this world win by doing that.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

5:50 "In order to explain why Noah was not wearing any clothing, the partygoers said they gave him a shower." In what world, is that an explanation? What a bunch of weirdos.

[@discospiders]

Exactly! How weird!

[@lewisburton1852]

Trying to sober him up or Wake him up. Idk 🤷‍♂️

[@Puglover130]

They said he was really dirty after flipping the side car (or quad runner)

[@c.t.2252]

Yep. Saying that they removed his clothing made them look suspicious, making up the shower story to conceal what actually happened. Otherwise, his being found naked would have been just as much a mystery to them as to anyone else. It's not likely that he left the house naked carrying his shorts. It is likely that he did not leave the house alive.

[@meloneyparker]

I think they were possibly removing their DNA from his body. Everyone who was in that house at any time over those 4 days is a suspect.

[@sandydee8003]

How could Noah receive these injuries that caused his demise but have no serious injuries to his arms and legs? It sounds like he was murdered and moved to the road location.

[@janeanjacobs3717]

@@sandydee8003 Dear God praying hard for family.

[@Hollylivengood]

Sounds like he got beat up by a bunch of guys, and they got him on the ground and kicked him. All those injuries happen from that kind of thing. And regardless of how it looks in the movies, people usually die from that.

[@charliechurch5004]

Maybe someone was holding his arms or maybe he was knocked out and the attacker continued to strike him 😞

[@Lez_awake]

I seems like he was dragged from a moving vehicle with his fingers shredded like that 😢

[@denniscrannie1126]

Could be true.​@@charliechurch5004

[@imtired6104]

He was a handsome young man, I can imagine that it may have been the result of someone's jealousy of Noah as a possible cause. Poor thing, and his poor family, so sad.

[@cleopatra444]

i thought the same thing , being handsome or good looking triggers all kinds of craziness in people , these monsters were not his friends .

[@thomasfairfax4956]

​@@chetyoubetya8565 Other men used to often pick fights with me in bars and clubs because their girlfriend/date would start staring at me. It actually happens a lot when you're attractive.

[@marisa8699]

Except if they are competing for a girl? ​@@chetyoubetya8565

[@tashastarling6573]

@@chetyoubetya8565 many men have been beaten for being attractive.

[@imtired6104]

@@chetyoubetya8565 I am the youngest of six children and I am the only girl of the bunch. I had a lot of time to observe how young men behave. There is definitely rivalry and bullying. My brothers are definitely not incels, but Dr. Grande has had a LOT of videos about incels, who also seem to swarm his comment section. It's quite possible this terrible incident occurred thanks to a toxic combination of a handsome and talented young man amidst peers who may not have been so blessed with good genes and abilities. So please.

[@ELvis348]

This story captivated me here from California and it’s bothersome how people from a small town in the US can get away with this crime. I believe you Dr. grande, there will be justice eventuallly hopefully very soon. These kids know something

[@DavidBaker-cx1ni]

Elvis, please, this happened in Oklahoma, the Wild Wild West.

[@lilaulrich3193]

@@ELvis348 Their Law enforcement knows too . That’s the problem.

[@lilaulrich3193]

Oh that’s my opinion.

[@AxelordSMIJES]

Every single time I've been naked in public or in situations where it wasnt appropriate to be, alcohol was involved. Just saying... it's one of MANY reasons I don't drink alcohol to excess anymore.

[@ursodermatt8809]

there must be about 200 other reasons. just saying.

[@samaeltheundying]

This is why I quit drinking tequila.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

How fing embarrassing.

[@ms.nfrmed]

I am from Duncan, Oklahoma. Many people still very saddened by this case. Hopeful it will be solved soon ❤ Prayers for the family. Another interesting case would be the Alan Hruby case from Duncan, Oklahoma. Great work Dr. Grande.

[@Komediennekymd2009]

I agree. Also the case of Jarvis McIntire from St Louis

[@luannacook5693]

He's a very aggressive wannabe Podcaster who just looked into this case and has accused the only party goer to come forward, and Noah's own family. Probably hired by the hosts family to distract from the truth. I wouldn't waste any time.

[@bethrose2576]

@@luannacook5693yeah his honesty of these murderers must break your heart huh

[@luannacook5693]

@bethrose2576 what honesty? He got banned from the fb pages, stalked several, posting pictures of their homes, made numerous threats....he's unhinged.

[@zenawarrior7442]

I agree it's more likely homicide, I think he angered someone. It was such a sad & strange case. Great breakdown again. Thanks Dr G😊💚💛

[@1summerflower]

Something like this happen to a young man when I was a teen , hurts me to this day! Hopefully they figure it out and get justice!

[@LDiamondz]

Hey Zena! ❤ How are you doing, and how is your mom? I hope you're both doing well. Miss you, sis. 😢 Maybe try and write to me one more time? It's 'at gee male'. 😘 We need to get on touch. Much love & prayers to you and mom. ❤😍🤟🌹⚘🌷

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@LDiamondz Hi friend! I always reply here, you don't ever seem to get😔Thx for the prayers🥰💜🙏She's hanging in there👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩Hope you are doing ok...glad to hear from you always sis, miss you too, hug and love🦋🌷🌵⭐️✨️💟ps I don't have your "gee male" lol

[@CC-ce6ng]

How could it NOT be a homicide? He was found dead, naked, and dumped by the highway!

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@CC-ce6ng what is your pt beyond to argue

[@peggysmith4814]

Some of the party goers phones were factory reset about 3:15 3:30 in the morning. That is about the time the one girl made the video aboutt Noah being missing. His friend Jack has a suss time-line also. Noah brought his brothers golf clubs but they have not been returned or found. Noah had two phones. Neither has been found. No wallet found. It is said his best friends father cut up Noah 's shirt and gave to his friends. Who does that without offering to the family first? Some people there came from money, Noah did not.

[@MortimerJones99]

My theory: the ATV accident was worse than they said it was. He rolled the ATV and it crushed him, or someone else riding it ran him over. He was probably still alive but unconscious, and whoever was involved saw how badly injured he was and put him in their car, to take him to the hospital and he dies along the way, or they just don't want to deal with the whole ordeal in general so they strip him and throw him out of the car. Eventually someone will crack and they'll get a warrant and find some DNA or his clothes, or fibers from his clothes in the last car he was in.

[@concettaworkman5895]

That's an interesting take.

[@abqmalenurse]

That does not explain his shorts being removed.

[@KristenRowenPliske]

I agree with that!

[@sherberts]

The ATV had no damage.

[@CrusadesOClock]

I've watched a more in depth video on this and they said his hand was torn down to the bone and earlier in the night a bunch of people wrote their names on his butt cheeks, the names were removed prior to his body being dumped on the highway. I think some of the damage may have been caused post death by being thrown from a moving vehicle on the highway (this explains the tooth and possibly the abrasions on his behind). Also the shorts were apparently folded next to his body. Its all very odd and the fact no one from the party attended his funeral either, or reached out to his family makes it obvious foul play happened.

[@cindyholloway7441]

I’ve been following this case for a few months now and watch everything that pertains to it. A friend of Noah’s on another KZbin channel reported going to the scene shortly after Noah’s BF Jack announced Noah was dead. This was about 5:15am, before any truck drivers reported Noah’s body on the road. This friend says Noah WAS NOT nude when he viewed him. He says with 100% clarity that Noah had on black shorts. Who removed those shorts and why? Noah was beat in a horrible senseless way. One or more friends caused his death. Party goers phones were wiped clean and no one is talking. Those that are talking are shunned from the rest of the group.

[@hannahmitchell87]

do you remember the channel or video title please?

[@cindyholloway7441]

@@hannahmitchell87 The channel is Partners in Crime. They’re a husband and wife team. The episode is, Noah Presgrove- episode 6. Noah’s friend, Kayden Pressy, who was at the party, gives his account of events.

[@hannahmitchell87]

@@cindyholloway7441 Brilliant! Thanks for that, I'll check it out

[@crownlaurus2610]

So the BF reported back to the group that he was dead and didn't call the police? They just left him there? Am I understanding this correctly?

[@cindyholloway7441]

@@crownlaurus2610 Kayden, who is a friend of Noah and BF said that BF came into the party house around 5:15am saying that he found Noah and he’s dead. Claims that he died at 4:00am. Three other friend of Noah( Kayden being one ) followed Jack down to the scene. By this time there was a trucker who stopped after calling 911. Jack was supposedly the first one to find Noah. That’s the story Kayden specified. There were only three 911 calls reporting Noah in the road. None of those calls came from BF, Jack. If this is true, why didn’t Jack call 911? Noah is supposed to be his BF. Now, according to People magazine, Jack gives a whole different version of the story. If you go on People website you can read the article. The stories keep changing. Truths don’t change.

[@ruthietreselan]

also we need to know more about these two cell phones that headed out towards him then came back

[@magules13]

I bet he was dumped there after an altercation and they believed he was merely unconscious. Then the partygoers all covered for each other.

[@1missssssss34]

"they believed he was merely unconscious"....part of his skull was showing, magules.

[@OceanJoe-cy8rx]

Dr. Grande for president! I'm not saying that he's going to run, only speculating that he should. But only time will tell whether a truly great philosopher actually does emerge from the gathering.

[@TopperPenquin]

Unless he was Magically born in Indonesia

[@Cholesterol-w1j]

Dr Grande is actually a lizard person hired by xenu

[@zackbarkley7593]

Schadenfreud is not the mark of true leaders. Smelling dirty diapers and rotting food doesn't give them a kick. The future is written by those envisioning and working to realize something better "for" and "in" everyone...not resting on wilting laurels imagining how good we have it now because someone else doesn't. Lift all boats my friend, otherwise it's crabs in a bucket.

[@zackbarkley7593]

Schadenfreud is not the mark of true leaders. Smelling dirty diapers and rotting food doesn't give them a kick. The future is written by those envisioning and working to realize something better "for" and "in" everyone...not resting on wilting laurels imagining how good we have it now because someone else doesn't. Lift all boats my friend, otherwise it's crabs in a bucket.

[@lindawilson4625]

His "friends"? Not so much. Sounds like murder...by his friends. Maybe not premeditated, but... My heart goes out to his loved ones.

[@Chad.H.]

Thank you for your detailed information about every case you discuss .you have growing followers here in Australia 👍😁

[@pacey5980]

Another point not mentioned was the distinct lack of blood around where his body was found. Many medical professionals who have commented on this case have stated that, based on injuries detailed in his autopsy, they would expect large amount of blood loss to have occurred. Where was all of the blood? If he was hit by a vehicle, would that blood not be all over the road??

[@discospiders]

His friend Jack did it, along with the girlfriend. Jack’s dad helped them cover it up.

[@tyarnold4088]

Your right

[@elizabethnovak4088]

I agree..

[@javierromero6858]

What I’m gonna say might sound unpleasant and a tad offensive, but at 18 you have no real friends. I’ve seen too much true crime to know this. Those people at the party KNOW what happened

[@anitablunt8652]

Agreed. Looking back at parties when I was that age, seems after lots of alcohol there was always a fight between a group of guys.

[@gregevans6044]

There was a time when it wasn’t so. 40 years ago, I had a few close buds that were more like brothers. They’d go to the mat for you, and on occasion did. Today? Yeah. From what I’ve seen the last couple of decades, you’re pretty much spot-on.

[@charliechurch5004]

Bingo, it's ppl afraid of being offensive that cause this sort of mess!! Speak up!!! We need fathers to stand up!!! 🙏🏿

[@charliechurch5004]

​@@gregevans6044things have really gone down hill 😢

[@Lisargarza]

@@gregevans6044 Totally agree. I feel like male friendships 40 to 50 years ago involved getting in each others face, having a fist fight, then one guy extends a hand and helps the loser up, after which they become bonded for life. Not a guy, so I can’t speak from experience, but saw it happen during high school.

[@carolynsilvers9999]

This is horrible. It is so tragic, not only for Noah but also for his family and friends who now grieve him.

[@tyarnold4088]

When they interviewed 1 of his friends, i could tell they did it. The friend kept having strong opinions which would explain it was some kind of accident. I could tell he was lying.

[@maryd253]

It screams guilt to me when they wiped the videos from phones and social media.

[@MitchBanks-fu6iy]

very strange case teenagers getting drunk and fighting for 4 days what could go wrong right

[@bethrose2576]

& his bff’s parents there allowing this nonsense to go on for days, they are POS’s as well as these so called friends. I believe they all took turns beating the shit out him til he was unconscious, than they tried the shower to wake him up & than washed all their names off of his body & dumped his body to get hit by a semi so there would be nothing left for evidence but that didn’t work & the reason why Jack went back to the crime scene, so now they all need to come clean..that’s my theory

[@Kristoph-69-69]

He passed at the house and was moved to the highway

[@Throatzillaaa]

a four day party with drinkings and 40+ attendees ranging from teenagers to 22 year olds? I feel like even at age 21 I would have known this was a horrible idea.

[@australien6611]

Guess you just never had fun growing up

[@grace_ajm]

@@australien6611 if this is your idea of fun then ok 👌🏾

[@TonyCox1351]

@@grace_ajm”you ain’t never had fun unless you had 4 days straight of underage drinking that resulted in a mysterious death”

[@melska]

The trouble with parties like that is that everything is fine until it isn't.

[@gogreen7794]

​@australien6611 If the only way you have fun is attending a so-called party as described here, you have very low standards for "fun." Try something else if you dare.

[@kitty_765]

That “friends” ridiculous smile in the Snapchat..

[@Flamsterette]

*"FRIEND'S"

[@EmGee410]

I kept waiting to hear about who were the two phones, or who owned the two phones, that left a party around the time Noah was killed? One would assume those would be the two main people of interest, no?

[@louise2467]

And that girl / so called “friend”, who’s birthday it was, will forever be reminded, yearly, of Noah’s death. Happy Birthday dear.☠

[@MisterWhatWhat]

If I could give this comment an award I would 🏆🏆🏆

[@crownlaurus2610]

The friends behavior I agree are strange. A couple theories I have is 1.) What if the truck driver found him wandering and did awful things to him and put his body on the road making it look like it was a hit and run. Something about his whole statement is completely off to me, from the mention of the deer to him mentioning how he stayed with the body assuring no one else did anything to Noah. His statement comes off like he wants a pat on the back. It's weird! 2.) The father in the house could've followed as you mentioned and the shorts was a humiliation ritual. On what planet were the cops not seeing this as a murder, even hit & run is murder. Prayers for Noah's family.

[@gazXspace]

Not every teen will be able to carry the heavy burden of secrets and lies such as this - inside 1 or more is already crackin up, its only time until it shows on the outside. Watch this space.

[@Chloe-gh5mk]

Poor guy, he was murdered 😢

[@Cholesterol-w1j]

Lol

[@WOWCAT22]

@@Chloe-gh5mk Agree!

[@bethrose2576]

💯

[@The_Real_SLec]

Due to the nature of Noah's injuries to his face, cheeks, mouth and teeth, back of the head, fingers and lower extremities etc. This appears to be consistent with someone laying on his stomach on the hood of a moving vehicle and holding for dear life to the sharp edge of the hood near the windshield. Once the driver stepped on the breaks, Noah went flying backwards and due to his height, his feet would have hit the ground first and smashed the back of his head on the pavement. The other circumstances would also suggest that more than one person were likely involved or know about this case. Let's all pray someone feels the pressure and decides to turn on the others. My Sincere Condolences to the Family and Friends of Noah and May God Bless Them All!

[@kardilee]

Wow…that makes sense. They were driving a side by side at the party that got flipped over. Maybe that has something to do with it 🤔

[@The_Real_SLec]

There are many moving parts and none can be ignored, as every little detail may play a part and culminate into something bigger via a domino effect.

[@clake8931]

WHAT A SHAME, I HOPE THIS CASE IS SOLVED!! RIP SWEET BOY 🩵🙏🏻🩵

[@WOWCAT22]

@@The_Real_SLec I disagree. I don't think it was a moving vehicle. Where is the blood trail? I think everything happened at the house, and then they placed his body on the side of the road to make it look like a hit and run.

[@meloneyparker]

His family said Noah's fingers were NOT shredded. Given his massive skull injuries, I think he was attacked by at least 2 people and someone used an object like a baseball bat or golf club as part of the beating.

[@SLIONS-go9wq]

His arms are back! 🎉

[@kardilee]

😂😂😂

[@MJ-hl1kk]

As usual, a wonderfully astute, intelligent, honest and NON- narcissistic ( a rare quality among humans, especially among accomplished professionals) analysis by Dr Grande!

[@earlofcumbrae-Ground_Zero]

It's 1A.M here in France... Happy to be watching da 👑, Dr. Grande #1. ❤️

[@lauriepowell3959]

Noah was a very attractive young man. This entire situation is very heartbreaking.

[@JayTee2985]

This mystery case reminded me of the cold case of Stephen Smith's death related to one of Alex Murdaugh's sons.

[@deninevh]

This seems to me a huge part of the answer. 6:25 I really want to hear more on whose phones left, went in the direction of the scene, then returned.

[@playtagwithasemi]

not much point in speculating in this case, in my opinion. I think it's plainly obvious that the police will solve this with whatever phone data they're able to collect. given the little information that we do know, and because the investigation is ongoing, I think it's only a matter of time.

[@benbelzer8303]

Well said. However, I don't know if Grande is a former detective or criminal profiler, but I do love hearing what people in the field of crime have to say, in regards to speculating. There's a really good book called "What Cops Know" and I studied this case in regards to what that book says (it's an amazing book BTW) and it helped make sense of things.

[@25Soupy]

I agree. The 2 phones that left the house moved to the location of the body and back to the house is key. It's only a matter of time.

[@buzzin-hornet]

Speculating may not give definitive answers, but it does open up possiilities that may be overlooked otherwise. Why bother speculating about anything? We speculate about things every day. For instance - "Do you think it might rain today?" " Who do you think is going to win the football on saturday?". Everything we discuss about future events is a speculation. I may not know the weatheer forecast..you might? I may know where a team sits in the league standings? You may not?. Your answer to all these things is just "I don't know, nobody knows, no point speculating, let's see what happens after the event"?? 🤷🤔

[@bethrose2576]

Real investigators are on the case now so everyone in that house should all be charged & especially the pos parents for allowing this nonsense in the 1st place

[@nanalee1027]

There were only 8-10 people left at the party the night Noah died. Just a small crowd of kids/young adults that knew each other pretty well.

[@ChrissyLove22210]

“They were all just a bunch of innocent angels” His sarcasm is always on point

[@axelsandi]

Especially soothing intonation today Dr.

[@toasttoasted3492]

Okay this needs more attention!! Noah was killed at the party...period & dump ...period !!

[@avatar-1346]

An adult was called and cleaned up and had the kids wipe their phones if I remember correctly.

[@the_shadow_realm5110]

His “friends” know a lot more than we are lead to believe.

[@romktch17]

I'm speculating that this should be a good video.

[@TheDanielRivas]

Sounds like that’s just your theory…an opinion? I must confess, I’m speculating the same.

[@angelabaird7135]

I think u were wrong. This is a shit take from Dr Grande. To think someone at that party wasnt either involved or KNOW what happened is WILD!

[@Moviesrockmusicandmore]

Am I the only one that finds these videos soo relaxing to watch before bed

[@raquellofstedt9713]

Thank you for another informative and though provoking video. People often forget how vulnerable young men are when they are out alone. It´s not just young women who are likely to end up in a bad way, especially when alcohol and bad judgement/inexperience, whether one´s own or others´, comes into play. The kind of danger might be diferent, but it is very real and all too devastating. All the more reason to teach children early to take care of each other and know their own limits (and not necessarily just in alcohol, across the board).

[@spiritualtruthseeker1947]

As usual, Dr Grande’s assessment is excellent. I enjoy how he always clears away the BS. There are far too many conspiracies surrounding this case.

[@antoineprocuta5527]

This one was a real twisty-turny mystery packed with interesting details, impeccably presented as always! I really needed that during initial getting-home post-commute decompression. Cheerio, doc! 🍁

[@katmack4215]

I cannot imagine how Noah's clothes would be ripped from his body in a vehicle strike..however,the shoes stay on his feet 🤨 that one detail alone convinced me something is wrong with this scene!! I hope his family gets answers. Sending so much love to them,from West Virginia ❤️

[@S1lennce0]

Damn people think shit like this only happen in the hood but situations like this can happen anywhere those so called friends he had were just snakes waiting to bite

[@golfswingbodymechanicsinte2854]

Too much alcohol can be a recipe for disaster. Know when to say when people. 😊

[@Wesley296]

After 30 years I realized “when to say when” is before a single drop touches my tongue

[@LúciaKitten]

Thank you for your analysis, Dr. Grande!

[@bethrose2576]

Here’s the play: Noah ran his mouth Sat pm about something very sensitive that he witnessed. Jack was told to get his attention. Sunday night, they went out for a ride, and this group was going to teach Noah a lesson. He figured something was up & went jackrabbit. They ran him down with the SXS, and did a lot of damage. Noah got jammed up under the vehicle. He died there. They took him back to the house & washed him off in the driveway. The rest of the story is right where you can see it. I’ve maintained it was an SXS/4wheeler accident for 8 months.

[@raymaharaj4502]

It’s just crazy how many of these cases involve victims that were referred to as “class clowns”. Class clowns often evolve into douchey clowns as adults and that definitely sounds like the case here, I know it sounds bad but think about it, he was chattin’ up his BEST FRIEND’S girl, he flipped someone’s atv, got soo sloshed that he couldn’t even locate HIS own clothes or shoes, and the list goes on. This dude seemed like an insurance company’s worst nightmare and definitely not someone you’d want attending your house party, wedding, baby shower, birthday dinner/party, funeral, Bar Mitzvah, bachelor party, or ANYWHERE else alcohol would be served. In my opinion this dude tried talking to the wrong guy’s girl and uhhh…… well you know. I know what I’m saying sounds fucked up but in my opinion that is what this case sounds like to me. I don’t think anyone can say that my take on this case is not a possibility.

[@freestang6662]

I was thinking the same thing. Trying to crawl in bed with the birthday girl probably caused a scene. Then the white knights to intervene and a fight ensues. Excess alcohol and testosterone can be a dangerous situation.

[@sari9645]

Unfortunately I agree

[@Lily-wk8kv]

@@freestang6662yeah I think that’s what happened.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Like a "daredevil" type?

[@maddistone8573]

I think it was something like that too. He did get into arguments with a few different people that night. Maybe the wrong person/people got angry and took things way,way too far.

[@Traderjoe]

It’s still unusual to me that someone born in 2002 could be this age, even though it’s obvious mathematically that they would be. I was born in the mid 1960s, and 2002 seems like yesterday to me. My car is a 2003 car. As far as this case is concerned, I would think that he was bundled up in someone’s pickup truck and held down by a bunch of guys and then tossed out at high speed and died on the scene.

[@sherberts]

Same. He was born in 2004 actually so newer than your car. I half agree with your theory - some injuries caused by being thrown out but a lot of the injuries were beforehand because no/little blood at scene.

[@13donstalos]

math

[@Jasmine215100]

I had thought this may have happened after he and his girl got back from the ATV accident, he came out of the shower and maybe his friend who owned the ATV confronted him about what happened! Or maybe after he went off down the road in an angry fit and was confronted there! He's not as innocent as everyone seems to think if he took that vehicle without permission!

[@matthewaitken719]

Here to listen to his theory. His opinion

[@jcdenton6864]

😂

[@rachel4339]

“…about what could be happening in a case like this 😏” 😂

[@misstinahamilton5714]

Only speculating .....

[@Mrs50Racerchick12]

so so so sad! I hope some day the TRUTH comes out!

[@c.henderson6717]

Noah was murdered. The ME stated that the injuries Noah had suffered were not consistent with a vehicular homicide, but rather a severe beating.

[@johnsims6323]

The way they cleaned that house that was why i think it happened there

[@Jasmine215100]

They also, gave Noah a shower to remove "evidence"?

[@australien6611]

Were the owners of the 2 phones that followed Noah to where his body was found, questioned?

[@rice2329]

They need to trace everyone’s phone at the party to the crime scene

[@sammartin6979]

The truck 🛻 driver thought he hit 🦌 but he hit Noah, young people and alcohol 🥃 is not a good combination 😢

[@Qrail]

Greetings! Thank you for your humor.

[@jamsandwichesjams]

Thank you for covering noahs case! #justice4noahpresgrove

[@carolynsilvers9999]

Odd party for a nurse to attend.

[@ArtU4All]

Concept of a “nurse” is very wide. RN? LVN-LPN? CNA? Nursing aide? Even if RN, still young and susceptible to peer influence.

[@MayorWilliesSideChick4prez]

She was a drunk 22 year old cna. Not a nurse

[@Cholesterol-w1j]

What’s odd is that you’re not making dinner

[@kathybuttsarnold3534]

There are some wild RNs in the world who put on a good face at work!

[@MayorWilliesSideChick4prez]

@@Cholesterol-w1j you’re a funny guy! Nice joke! Really good stuff!

[@TippyComeHome]

He was dragged along the pavement accounting for the scrapes on his bottom, and the dragging is what removed the shorts.

[@denniscrannie1126]

The nurse needs to be interviewed and get her access ment of his injuries after the roll over. The two cellphones that had geodata near where his body was left will be hard to explain away.

[@leslieh1485]

And, why was “nurse” at a party where underage drinking was happening?

[@reuben1798]

It’s really sad how his family doesn’t know exactly what happened to him. Eventually the truth will come to light rip ❤

[@reallydarlings-se2xf]

Drunk teenagers, 4 day party, possible lifelong poor parenting of these kids = disaster waiting to happen. "Nurse" at the party? Very sad situation. How are these kids getting killed, found on a rural road, dead, with no evidence of a hit and run?

[@jennifera7153]

Until someone comes forward, they’re all guilty in my opinion.

[@bethrose2576]

💯

[@carmendaniel3734]

RIP Noah.❤ So sad and senseless. Such a handsome young man. Condolences to his loved ones. So heartbreaking.💔I hope his family gets answers to what actually happened to Noah. I think the party goers know what happened to Noah.

[@WASIV]

It's very disturbing how he died and I hope the people who did this are brought to justice. Also anyone that goes to a "4 day birthday party" is a drug addict and/or severely mentally deficient. I can tell you from knowing a person with a social circle like this- these kinds of incredibly immature, hedonistic people drop like flies in their 20s and 30s.

[@Jasmine215100]

Many of the party attendees were in their late teen years to early 20s! Some people just haven't grown up that much at this age!

[@dmontro952]

They need independent FBI investigation. Local teens family connections… there must be video, phone cell texts, evidence on the body and on the other people at the party. This is ridiculous.

[@tgapj6968]

These people were not his friends! All truth comes to the light eventually ,what a sad and wasteful end of a life.

[@realdeal4real9]

Thanks for covering this story .someone at that party knows what happened..I agree most likey he was beaten and possibly dragged as I previously heard taht there was drag marks.

[@Jasmine215100]

Was he dragged by that ATV?

[@nicoco4974]

Dr. Grande for president

[@Swanky95472]

I appreciate you, Dr. Grande! ❤ love your videos!

[@skipthecultureshock5474]

I agree that Noah was murdered elsewhere and his body dumped on the road to make it look like a hit and run. I think he could have been run over with that ATV when he was down, accounting for the injuries to his torso. His killer(s) probably believed the investigators would think the ATV injuries were caused by a car .

[@reddishf0x237]

Dr. Grande continues to make amazing analysis videos despite his seemingly lack of arms

[@bubbabroad9051]

This one is too sad to handle

[@almonteiro3195]

Great analysis, as always.

[@gogreen7794]

Stay away from these huge, sprawling, chaotic house parties. Bad news.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

This is a really sad case. I believe there was foul play. I hope more information can come about and family gets a most deserved closure. Thank you, Dr.Grande.♥️

[@AMYBIERHAUS]

"I Know What You Did Last Summer" ... 😢

[@johnnysupertramp1090]

Poor Noah...