Who Would Win Between the 2017 Warriors and the 2004 Pistons? | Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye

Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye join the internet's favorite debate: who would win, the 2004 Detroit Pistons with Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace, or the 2017 Golden State Warriors with Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, and Draymond Green.
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[@thomasj1026]

The warriors were blowing teams out by the 3rd quarter. Yall need to stop.

[@eboooo]

Pistons were stopping teams from scoring 70

[@Newportnews98]

@@eboooothat’s cap cuz the pistons themselves couldn’t score or then 70

[@kimberlyclark1298]

Facts to the point the lead was crying 😂😂

[@eboooo]

@Newportnews98 no they had a streak where they were stopping teams from scoring 70 points

[@TimSmith-gy4cc]

U smoking

[@Mj_flockkk]

The 17' warriors are the only team ik where they have a superteam from bottom to top. They bench so deep it can play in any era and size up with anyone and then their starting 5 is just DEADLY.

[@704jizzle2]

Because you are young 96' BULLS POP THE SHIT OUTTA GSW 4-1

[@jpgotti1856]

@@704jizzle2get sum help Kd Steph Klay Draymond iggy javel Magee they had 2 much talent

[@Mj_flockkk]

@@704jizzle2 and ur a delusional old head blinded by nostalgia... you seen the bulls get pushed to 7 by the pacers.. NOW IMAGINE you swap reggie for 2 players who shoot better then him(or in terms of klay atleast da same as him) ALONG WITH A TOP 3 SCORER OF ALL TIME.. but they get "popped" man old head and all da other ones who think like u take yo sleepin pills and cry me a river warriors in 4.

[@blueblur2273]

Your bench isn't deep if only 5 guys on that team are averaging over 20 minutes and everyone else is averaging below 16. That Warriors team was heavily relying on Iggy and the starters.Now the best teams of the 80s were deep as they had 7 to 8 men averaging over 20 minutes.

[@YangoBord]

@@blueblur2273wouldn’t you play less minutes when there’s more ballers on the team?

[@cliffaquino6017]

Richard knows what's up: He dropped 30 twice on that legendary 04 Pistons defense in the semi's

[@Pauly_walnuts]

Yup nets took the 04 pistons to a game 7, and people think they can beat the 17 warriors. Straight delusional. That warriors team is the greatest team constructed.

[@Txjumpman]

@@Pauly_walnutsbut they gentlemen’s swept the Kobe and shaq Lakers. So the Nets was better than the Lakers? Comparing how they played against one team to how they’d play against another is pretty silly.

[@milosalamey377]

Yeah, and the nets scored 59 pts in game 7.

[@marlowstanfield6815]

​@@Pauly_walnutsYou but that Nets team got swept by the Kobd and Shaq Lakers who That's Nets team lost to in 5 so what does that mean? You confusing yourself

[@Txjumpman]

@@milosalamey377 damn that’s crazy

[@colinrko]

I think Stef and kd can go take a shit and come back mid game and they'd still win.

[@macxavier168]

That 17 Warriors squad fully healthy is beating damn near any team ever in a seven-game series.

[@SuperAliciakeysfan]

jefferson is the only realistic oldhead who knows how crazy the Steph and KD warriors were lol

[@Getloose360]

It was a bi$tch move that shouldn’t have happened.

[@IamMrImpeccable]

Facts!

[@Gi-or8bk]

Pistons in 6

[@SuperAliciakeysfan]

@@Gi-or8bk going home ringless in 4 or 5 lol

[@Piripiao_YT]

​@@Gi-or8bk6 years yeah

[@javon1134]

I love when stuff like this is broken down with actions

[@user-cr5ts5fl6t]

Pause

[@Josh86_925]

When Warriors got KD, they completely dominated the NBA. To the point that if u weren't a Warriors fan, you would be saying it's not fair, or the Warriors ruined the league. No one was saying that about the 04 & 05 Pistons. They would have got smoked

[@stoopconvo2924]

The "fck outta here" at the end tho😂😂😂

[@josephnicholas9152]

So out of that whole conversation that's the only thing that you point out?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@momame8258]

Even in the old rules, I have Warriors in 4 or 5. Curry getting fouled every time even while shooting and still doesn’t get these calls right now, so the old rules wouldn’t affect his game

[@mattsell2361]

If it’s the so called old rules where apparently it was so physical then the warriors could set harder screens and get more open shots. And the pistons defense never saw anything like the warriors motion offense the played good defense in the dead ball iso era the pistons would get blasted

[@BigAcapella]

If you didn't closely watch the pistons you don't get it. That was my favourite team of all time. They had at least 3 starters coming off the bench. Very deep team and best defensive team ever. They would shock the world just like they did in 04. Offensive teams never stood a chance.

[@Gojogoat132]

The warriors were also a top defensive team, it just the better team that pistons team will not past 5 games

[@BigAcapella]

@@Gojogoat132 I get it. I just wouldn't jump to claim warriors would smack them. Different eras. I'd love to see how the pistons stats would look if the played in Gstates era. Pistons actually match up well.

[@DontAdoreYou]

@@BigAcapella why do y’all always bring up the pistons defense but never the warriors? You think all they do is shoot 3s? The warriors at their peak was routinely an elite defense and have multiple all time great defenders including dray and iggy. Oh lemme guess draymond is too little and she’s gonna drop 30?🤣

[@BigAcapella]

@@DontAdoreYou warriors d was good. Not as historically good as Detroit.

[@DontAdoreYou]

@@BigAcapella Sheed*

[@suhailrefaye92]

Saying Steph vs Chauncey like it's some kind of even matchup is genuinely crazy work lmao. The 04 Pistons wouldn't even stand a chance against the 2016 Warriors let alone the 2017 team.

[@erikdegby4652]

How Bruh??? Pistons held Shaq and Kobe's Lakers to under 60 points. I'll say that again Shaq & Kobe. Damn near swept they a** 4-1. The Lakers Team scored 68 point for the game. End of discussion.

[@suhailrefaye92]

@@erikdegby4652 that Lakers team was damn near beating itself that series but respect to the Pistons for closing them out. Having said that do you really think the style of defense they played on the Lakers would work against the Dubs? If Sheed or Ben get switched on to Steph it's wraps. It's a 3 or blow by every single time. On the other end the Warriors have a defensive matchup for every single offensive threat the Pistons have but the Pistons have zero answer for Steph. Now you add KD to the mix and it's not even a contest.

[@erikdegby4652]

@@suhailrefaye92 Shaq and Kobe scored 68 pts Teams barely got 70 pts a game. Im sorry the Pistons would pick them up at full court, force them to the weak side and settle for tough shots. Sheed and Wallace were getting all rebounds. I've seen Klay and Steph get smothered. KD plays no D and isnt a Leader.

[@SumoCarri]

@@erikdegby4652You think they’re full court pressin the 17 warriors w no handcheck & not gettin clowned ina sweep? I hope all that energy don’t stop them from that extra 30ppg they gotta come up w 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@suhailrefaye92]

@@erikdegby4652 This is a game of matchups. Klay and Steph getting smothered will not happen for the entire game let alone an entire series. The warriors are way more versatile and deep offensively than the Pistons could ever hope to match. Steph is a matchup nightmare for every single player on the Pistons whereas the Warriors more or less have an answer for everyone on Detroit.

[@Red-li2ys]

Fact of the matter is, the '04 Pistons just don't have enough offense. That starting 5 isn't going to play 48 minutes. Mike James, Lindsey Hunter, and Corliss Williamson all shot under 40% in the playoffs. Mehmet Okur, their 6th man, averaged 3.7 ppg on 46%. Their '05 team that lost against the Spurs would beat the '04 team.

[@ericking4549]

😂😂😂 no they only played 38+ mpg.

[@poe_productofourenvironment]

Yawn

[@Robcbiz]

I think the most underrated aspect of this is how easy it would be for the warriors to guard the pistons. You could basically play zone the whole game as the warriors and let them prove they can shoot 3’s at a high clip. Offensives the warriors are gonna drop 40 points per quarter. Easy kill.

[@Txjumpman]

@Robcbiz this might be the dumbest post in all the responses. The warriors didn’t average 40 a quarter against bad defensive teams they played against. So now they are going to put up 40 a quarter against one of the best defensive teams in the history of the NBA? The question is rhetorical because your opinion is dumpster juice.

[@LeftoverTake]

The warriors were the second best defense in the NBA that year. The Pistons are getting SMOKED.

[@erikdegby4652]

??Bruh Pistons held Shaq and Kobe's Lakers to under 60 points. I'll say that again Shaq & Kobes Lakers. Damn near swept they a**. 4-1. End of discussion

[@demasceionbyrd3776]

@@erikdegby4652a Lakers Team Who Had All That Going On LoL stop It

[@erikdegby4652]

@@demasceionbyrd3776 We talking Shaq and Kobe, no excuses they competed hard especially in the Finals. Lets keep it real we love todays NBA Superstars, but they dont play Defense.

[@SamuelJ888]

@@erikdegby4652 That was one series against an old ass team. They neutralized Shaq and Kobe realizing the rest of that team wouldnt be able to do anything else

[@BunnyP3]

Right. Everyone only looks at the Warriors offense but they were one of the best defensive teams of the era. I'll give Pistons the better defense but the Warriors offense is MILES above Pistons and anyone they faced in the past. It took the Cavs 7 games with a full squad and the last shot from Irving to take down a Warriors without Green for two games, Bogut out, Iggy. Add KD, they ran through the league and it wasn't even arguable. They swept the James. Warriors are one of the best offensive teams in the NBA history. Edit: Lakers 2002 is an asterisk. Kings was screwed by that refs who admitted to helping the Lakers.

[@germainerashad1997]

Wasnt david west on that team too?

[@Sleven77]

yup and Javale McGee

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

yup and igoudala, shaun livingston lol this is straight cap

[@Mark-xr6qr]

​@@schuylerkrizay6192Livingston wasnt

[@treholland545]

@@Mark-xr6qryes he was lol

[@DonP305]

Warriors in 4

[@Mj_flockkk]

Ong , old heads can't accept it and its gettin pathetic.

[@dooniegragg4924]

lol in 3

[@TheShadow84]

07 Pistons didn't have Ben Wallace when LeBron beat them.

[@KrispyKleenex365]

Exactly: In 05 were 2-2 vs Lebron & 06 were 3-1 vs Lebron (+KO Lebron out the playoffs) the Year DWade won a Chip Not Bron 07 No Ben Wallace (not same team)

[@javon1134]

And still had 18 all star appearances between them. And in 2006 playoffs they beat Bron in 7 at 21 years old. Lets not act like Bron didnt have a chance if they had Ben. 25 str8 cant be accounted for.

[@Txjumpman]

@@javon1134 it wouldn’t have been 25 straight with Ben in the paint

[@javon1134]

@@Txjumpman wasnt all paint though. If it took 7 with Ben i feel comfy saying a year older Bron wouldce got to the finals either way. Bron didnt the same thing really. The difference was a shootrr like Gibson

[@Txjumpman]

@@javon1134 maybe but the fact is Lebron never beat that team with both hof’s Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups.

[@jeromejohnson5135]

Tayshaun Prince is covering Kevin Durant in this series and nobody else.

[@fitzworld18]

This is the correct answer. He matches up great against KD

[@Mark-xr6qr]

I agree and he would do a good job but that offense would cause problems because of all the picks they use.

[@MannysTechWorld]

If RJ Jefferson can drop 30 twice I'm sorry they are not stopping Kevin goddam Durant

[@swoosh2835]

@@fitzworld18​​⁠you are silly 😂 “matches up well” with who? A 28 year old in his absolute prime KEVIN DURANT?? Are you high??? This isn’t Nets KD or Suns KD or post Achilles KD who showed up for 10 minutes against Toronto we are talking about. This is in his absolute athletic prime KD. The dude who turned Steph into the second best player on his own team. Stop it.

[@tysondavis9684]

KD averaging 36 on Prince, as good as he is.

[@oliviercolletaz5841]

no way i've just heard this man talk about the chauncey-steph matchup like it's sort of even and the only difference is steph is a better regular season player i must be dreamin

[@Itzlonzo]

Steph literally arguably the GOAT pg and a generational basketball player and he putting chauncey in steph’s convos smh

[@Dad_Son_twonovas]

I feel like it’s a thing where the media wanna keep magic ahead of Curry in their minds. So if they say Curry is just way better then all these other guys. They would have to really see curry as better then magic and I already believe he is. And it’s not close to me. I understand the whole magic guarded centers in the finals. But everything Curry dose is just Skill. He’s getting doubled and tripled because of his skills. He’s not 6’9 like magic and other then 76ers, Celtics & Pistons no other team was good enough to win at that time. Bulls later but come on Knicks, Pacers, Utah naw to easy. And if hard fouls is all they have for defense. It’s not good enough

[@DatsjoeYT]

Cause Chauncey billups isn’t chop liver he called big shot for a reason!

[@Itzlonzo]

@@DatsjoeYT billups was nice don’t get me wrong but we talking about a top 2 PG ever in the game in Curry, Billups doesn’t even enter the conversation lol. Point is Gil basically said Curry and billups cancels each other and that’s a straight up lie

[@DatsjoeYT]

@@Itzlonzo steph is great though but I wouldn’t give it over magic, isiah Thomas just for the simple fact kd was the difference in the other championships my two personal favorites are Jason Kidd and rajon rando!

[@JusBlackTV]

Durant and Steph … I don’t care what who guarding them you have to send 2 so Klay gonna be feasting

[@BigAcapella]

Pistons don't double. They played Shaq strait up too. And they don't switch. Stick with your man and get around screens. And they run plays and kill that shot clock. Less possessions.

[@JusBlackTV]

@@BigAcapella first of all they definitely doubled Kobe all series but either way they are not guarding Steph and KD straight up, that would be silly

[@Txjumpman]

@@JusBlackTV they did not double Kobe

[@Txjumpman]

@@JusBlackTV prince matches up very well against KD. Just like he did against Kobe. Just like he did against McGrady. The type of player to give Prince problems was strong players like Lebron.

[@JarronD]

No one is doubling klay Thompson, you send 2 to Steph or KD.

[@dinogee]

That ending was unexpected lol

[@user-cr5ts5fl6t]

Pause

[@irmulc]

Rip Hamilton was a mid range Steph. He was always moving. And Big Ben could cover everywhere on the court.

[@amondacreator]

I want to see Richard debate Rasheed cause this dude is giving way to much props to a team who played in different rules

[@Mmarra88]

Ben Wallace laying the smackdown

[@swoosh2835]

I can’t even believe we’re having this discussion 😂 Props to the 04 Pistons for making people talk about them again. You can dissect the matchups all you want but all that dissecting is just empty calories when you get to Kevin Durant. This isn’t Nets KD or Suns KD or even OKC KD. This is 28/29 year old absolute peak of his powers and athletic prime Kevin Durant. Nobody on Detroit is guarding him. Stop it.

[@JayyBanks]

Ben Wallace is getting played off the floor.

[@fadercreek]

your drunk

[@tyork7229]

Ben Wallace would've had GSW battered and bruised. Physical play affects you mentally and obviously physically. This wide open shooting nowadays got y'all fooled about what guys of other eras could do.

[@achicagosfanperspective4160]

After beating the Warriors in 5 or 6. Wallace defense and rebounding with Wallace against Warrior midgets...

[@darriuscole8544]

The best defense ALWAYS beats the best offense. EVERY TIME. That holds in all the major team sports in the USA. 2004 Pistons in 6.

[@SouthernBoi94]

2016 is a better argument 2017 the warriors were cheating but the pistons went to the ecf like 5 times they were tough

[@noone-xk3bv]

If the Pistons get to see how they play in 2017 and get a training camp Id go with the Pistons.

[@drewwitty2878]

Without Kd,the Pistons win 7/10...But Kd is too much of a problem 🤔🤯🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️😎✊🏽

[@mullymullyt]

I love when Channing says we gotta stop saying that to "nothing but respect or with all due respect". Just say what you gotta say, if they take it the wrong way when clearly its not, then 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Gojogoat132]

2015-2016 will smoke them not even the kd warriors you guys are tripping, to even compare steph with chauncey that is crazy, steph is a top 5 pg

[@erikdegby4652]

??Bruh Pistons held Shaq and Kobe's Lakers to under 60 points. I'll say that again Shaq & Kobes Lakers. Damn near swept they a**. 4-1. End of discussion

[@Gojogoat132]

@@erikdegby4652 it was a team that was not united, great teams can have bad series there were a lot of bad blood in that last year, they not beating the warriors, they held shaq and kobe because they were build to do that, they will have a lot of trouble running in screens and having to chase steph the entire game, and then the offense required to beat those warriors, only warriors championship team they are beating is the 2021 warriors, any other warriors team is smoking them, the 73 win team is smoking them, you guys take one series and overrate a team, there is a reason they only won once, they were a team with no superstar taking advantage of a team having internal issues and a bunch of drama.

[@erikdegby4652]

@@Gojogoat132 You getting caught up in the Jacking up 3s, High scoring Superstar mindset. Shaq, Payton said it themselves Pistons had 5 Great Players not average. They have more skill set meaning KD can Score, Steph can score(but thats it) they dont do much else. But Pistons could score, rebound, assist, and Block shots. Skill Set. Like a Rasheed Wallace who can Rebound, Shoot 3s, Block Shots, Assist etc. You caught up in the Social Media Superstar mindset forgetting that 5 great Players is better than 3 Great Scorers. Pistons use to hold Lebron James to 10 and 15 Pt games.

[@Gojogoat132]

@@erikdegby4652 the warriors as a team led in almost anything you are crazy to even think, that the only thing and steph and kd can do is score you clearly don’t know basketball, kd was a great defensive player at that time, also klay was also dray was, you don’t know basketball is not that steph and kd can score but also that they are way levels above the pistons is not close that pistons team is not even beating lebron’s cavs team, bro you have to update yourself sports evolve with time this guys are way better the talent is no comparison. And yeah 3 is more than 2 bro they will lose

[@daniell5740]

Chauncey would kill curry stop lol

[@willgates5647]

Why are they putting tayshaun at the 2 and rip at the 3???

[@ericking4549]

Cause they don't actually understand positions. I don't think most players understand positions anyway they understand skill set but position titles are for the fans to follow the game. They understand bigs (4 &5) wings (2&3) and facilitator (1)

[@jasonzula8400]

rip gaurding klay and tayshawn gaurding kd

[@trapgod3505]

not gonna stay like that the whole game .. off ball screens , slips & pick ups

[@MambaSSG]

Not even lebron guarding kd

[@Tain950]

The 04 Warriors were no joke their defense was a nightmare to deal with. I’d take Wallace over Durant based on pure killer instincts and savage alone. Not only was Wallace a beast offensively, he could also play crazy defense as well. I’d favor the 04 Pistons in a close contested series vs the Warriors.

[@milesaheadpodcast]

The warriors bench was way better also with Shaun Livingston, Iggy, David West, Looney, and a smarter version of Javale McGee. Warriors would sweep. Steph and Chauncey aren’t remotely close in terms of playoff production.

[@maxjulianthegreat313]

Pistons bench had Lindsey hunter,Mike James, corlis Williamson, memet okur, Darvin ham and eldin Campbell

[@Txjumpman]

You crazy to think warriors bench was way better

[@milesaheadpodcast]

@@Txjumpman They were you just on revisionist history mode.

[@milesaheadpodcast]

@@maxjulianthegreat313 Iggy was better than everyone you named. Shaun Livingston was a 6’7 guard who never missed a midrange shot and had an extremely high basketball iq. David west was the bruiser and he could step out and hit a corner three along with midrange shots. It’s clear that bench the pistons had couldn’t score.

[@Red-li2ys]

@@maxjulianthegreat313 You do know all of those players you named outside of Okur shot under 40% during the playoffs right? Corliss Williamson, their 6th man, averaged 14.9 minutes 5.7 ppg on 36% shooting. Lindsey Hunter averaged 2.4 ppg on 29% shooting. What bench are we talking about?

[@JeffLcarz]

Richard's last comment on the warriors about to win three in a row, but they didn't so it's irrelevant. I love the conversation about the warriors because everyone talks as if they would have made every three they would have attempted LOL🎉

[@TimSmith-gy4cc]

You got it wrong ! Prince guarding KD

[@breadwinner8088]

And kd is still gunna average 32 and now you have klay going for 30 as well smh

[@AndYouAre]

Klay was harder to guard due to the movement. KD was stationary in comparison. Sheed would have guarded KD... But in 2017, it wouldn't have mattered. No one could guard KD that year.

[@tysondavis9684]

​@AndYouAre Sheed's ACL's would have been hanging in the rafters like the warriors banners.

[@achicagosfanperspective4160]

Truth.

[@achicagosfanperspective4160]

​@@AndYouAreRip runs more than Klay..

[@davidgoodlettmusic]

Mr. Jefferson is spot on.

[@mercurialblonde]

Prince would be on KD IMO. Also remember the Pistons would be slowing the game down a lot.

[@JJ-vp3bd]

KD also plays shit defense lol. Pistons in 5 fam

[@blueblur2273]

That's not an opinion that's a fact. Prince was by far their best perimeter defender and was the most athletic and longest defender they had. He is without a doubt the best option to defend KD.

[@erikdegby4652]

I know......Pistons held Shaq and Kobe's Lakers to under 60 points. Damn near swept they a**. 4-1. End of discussion

[@SumoCarri]

@@JJ-vp3bdKd plays bad defense… yall really just say anything

[@leeonnasrichardson8782]

@@erikdegby4652 Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton, Fisher, Fox etc! That team was LOADED!!!

[@JarronD]

I think people are losing what the 04 pistons were good at, No one is going to out pace or out shoot that 17 warriors team. What sheed is saying their game plan was and will be to wear you down below your averages and muck the game up. Now would that result in the pistons “beating the shit out of them” IDK that’ll be a lot of wearing down that’ll be needed.

[@JohnSnowjrjr]

Prince checking Kd and Rip checking Thompson. Wtf ate they talking about 💯

[@lt1951]

I don't understand why these guys are determining the winner of this series with matchups. If we determined the winner of the 2004 lakers/pistons finals with matchups, the lakers would have won. Shaq, Karl Malone, and Kobe Bryant were better on paper. They lost because the pistons were a better TEAM. They were more than the sum of their individual parts. Considering the 17' warriors had one of the greatest offenses in the history of basketball, and the 04' pistons had perhaps the greatest defense in basketball history, I think a more appropriate question is: "What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable object." The 04 pistons broke so many ridiculous defensive records. One of only 2 teams (jordan's bulls) to hold a playoff team under 60 points. Allowed under 85 points in 15 playoff games. Allowed under 80 points in 11 playoff games. 70 or less in 6 playoff games. Allowed 65 or less in 3 playoff games. Allowed under 40% FG in 12 playoff games. Least points allowed per game in the shot clock era. Pistons are getting more defensive and offensive REBs, forcing more TOs, winning more loose balls against 17 GSW The kicker for me is that ONLY 2 LAKERS PLAYERS had double digit points in 4 of the 5 games in the finals, Kobe and Shaq. Also, Kobe and Shaq only averaged 22ppg and 26 ppg in this series. These hall of famers, top 10 in bball history, struggled against this pistons defense. I do not see Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, or Klay consistently dropping 25+ on the 04 pistons. Pistons in 7 w/ hybrid rules

[@ironhulk749]

Nothing more boring than these absurd hypothetical debates

[@montay1kmoneyteam902]

It’s nothing else too talk about 🤡

[@shizshyne8141]

you don’t have to watch

[@DemetriusOnTheMove]

BUT YOU WATCHED 😅😅😅😅 Gotcha sucka Bahahaha

[@cj4605]

Why are you watching then

[@kenhood7039]

That was the best team ever!! The 2017 warriors!! Would anything beat any team!!

[@accordingtodrew7302]

The warriors would expose Ben Wallace on the offensive side like they did with Tony Allen in that grizzlies series. You can’t have a non offensive player against that 17 warriors lineup and win. They’ll play him off the floor and force the pistons to play sheed at the 5 and prince at the 4

[@vbrown9905]

Hell nah you tripping . Ben would of been fine in a series against the warriors

[@poe_productofourenvironment]

You don’t know Ben Wallace then

[@vbrown9905]

@@poe_productofourenvironment Tony Allen is a hell of a defender. Ben Wallace is one of the best defensive players in history. These little guys don’t know the history of the game or never watched these guys

[@poe_productofourenvironment]

@@vbrown9905 that’s for sure

[@rxzesereniti9750]

@@poe_productofourenvironmentyou believe Ben is guarding anyone on the perimeter all game with pick and rolls?

[@robertflores1537]

I love these conversations it gets you thinking, but honestly i believe the 96 bulls, 04 pistons, 86 celtics, 02 or 03 lakers would give them a run for there money

[@jhales313]

Ben Wallace was better then Rudy and Ben was intimidating. X factor

[@DontAdoreYou]

Definitely. Still losing in 5

[@SumoCarri]

yea we know ben swattin ts outta those 30ft pullups ain’t he?

[@sidneynicholas2877]

Defense Wins Championships! Full disclore: I am from Detroit. There's never been a team like the 04 Piston. If Larry Brown had remained the head coach, rest in peace Flip Saunders, they would have continued to be a defensive Juggernaut and I believe would have won more titles. After the 04 win, they went back to the finals after 05, then they had appearances in the Eastern Conference Finals the following three years. Everybody in Detroit new they're identity changed from a defensive one to an offensive one and that was their downfall. 04 Pistons had a historic defensive streak that year. I wont mention all the team and players but here notable opposition players caught in that can't score 70 points snare. These teams were trying to score over 70 points against the Pistons and couldn't. *Wizards Gilbert Arenas and others (Steve Blake, Kwame Brown, Jerry Stackhouse, Christian Laetner, etc.) *Celtics Vin Baker Paul Pierce Big Perk and others *Houston Rockets Steve Francis Jim Jackson Yao Ming Cutino Mobley Mark Jackson Charles Oakley and others *76ers Derrick Coleman Samuel Dalembert Willie Green Allen Iverson Kyle Korfer Glen Robenson Eric Snow. You get the point. There's more. A total of 11 games, teams were held under 70pts GS Matchups - All depends on the rules. GS gets the edge with no touch rules today. Stef don't want to see Chauncy on the defensive end. To big, too strong, too clutch. Stef might get the best of him offensive but would be tired after. Klay - I love Klay's defense but no one in the league want to chase Rip off those screens, not even Kobe. It was a track meet. (We'll say they cancel each other out) KD - Regardless of what you say, Tayshaun would have frustrated KD on the parameter. If there's any player in history who could have frustrated KD, it would have been Tayshaun. KD would have on that matchup on points but they would not have been easy one. Dre, David West, Zaza, Looney, and Javale Mcgee would loose their matchups with Detroit bigs. (Sheed, Wallace, Elden Campbell, Mehmet Okur, Corliss Williamson) - Too much power in the paint. Both teams had x factors on defense. Andre Igoudala and Lindsey Hunter. They would have had trouble getting the ball past half court on Lindsey. One of the best on-ball defenders ever. The Nets broke the streak: RJ was on that team Jason Kid Vince Carter Alonzo Mourning Clifford Robinson and other notable players Clip for the interested: kzbin.infoAgveyk5jMeE?si=s3mSE7g4lU30zP7E They celebrated after breaking the streak like the won the finals. Look at the final score. I'm giving the edge to the Pistons.

[@faenihbs]

Great Offense beats Great Defense every time.

[@marsaillecanty765]

WHAT that the other way around a good defense beat a good offense the everytime

[@faenihbs]

@@marsaillecanty765 if that were the case the best defenders in the league would be the superstars making max money.

[@moneymoney3235]

@@marsaillecanty765wrong.

[@KrispyKleenex365]

@@faenihbsin an offensive league where defensive rules handicap defenders? 🤨 Make it make sense… Exciting offenses and the rules catered to offensive players brings fans and ticket sales which equate to max contracts Fans complained that the defensive era was too slow and not exciting Exciting doesnt = Winning (in many cases)

[@mercurialblonde]

It didn't when that Pistons team won their championship

[@Nightmare-we8vm]

This is what actual ball talk looks like. The difference in talent is not out of the park. They trained to play against very different competition. When you look at the strategies available to both teams, Golden State will have an advantage. If that weren't the case, we would still see people build teams like this.

[@m1k3y1587]

Tayshawn prince was a great defender you could keep him on kd

[@whatson1louis497]

Yes but kd would still go off

[@postmanflavs56]

Lol

[@conchobar]

If KD goes off like Kobe did in 04, everything would be going as planned for Detroit.

[@majesty32]

This shouldn't even be a question. GSW in 4 and it's not even close. Cmon

[@marshallgoforth7285]

The 04 pistons team held Richard Jefferson and the nets to 56 pts in game 1 of their playoff series. He is misremembering how disgusting their defense actually was.

[@TheRulersBack18]

richard jefferson also gave that same team 30 twice in the same series...and was never known as a dude with a scoring bag lol

[@ericking4549]

​@nicolasmartinez795 it wasn't unimaginative the rules was different you could actually touch the offensive players and it not be a foul. Players could actually play defense without getting a whistle.

[@tysondavis9684]

When did that defense have to stretch to beyond the 3 point line? When did they have to actually move.tjeor feet and step up on strength or DHOs The pistons were great for their time... They had never seen anything like the warriors. Even the suns, they had a good offense but put LD and Step and Klay in that offense and the score 200 points a game

[@ChiliPeppers246484]

Hybrid rules means Prince is also shooting way more threes at nearly 40% in his prime. The spacing all of a sudden with Billups, Prince, and Wallace. Look out. I think people sleep on how many good shooters that Pistons team had just because they played a slower pace.

[@achicagosfanperspective4160]

It would be about defense. Which Pistons were great. Draymond talks too much.

[@poe_productofourenvironment]

They could’ve spaced them out wit Okur too

[@bn1342]

Even if you increase those guys shot attempts from 3, they’re not outpacing Steph, KD, and Klay in scoring production. That trio is the best trio ever when it comes to shooting

[@poe_productofourenvironment]

@@bn1342 they don’t have to outpace them lol they still will/can slow the game down cuz Steph will have to check CB or RIP they goin to the post .. same for Dray & Zaza tryna check Sheed lol

[@achicagosfanperspective4160]

@bn1342 The series will be about defense, not offense. Warriors are too small. You are talking Iike the typical Warriors homer.

[@educational6604]

Detroit didn't have Ben Wallace when Bron beat the Pistons they had a Webber who had no legs on him at the point in his career..

[@lamonicaking1337]

2017 GS Warriors

[@rafscindaydreamer5616]

Jeff forgot mid range is way higher percentage than shooting 3's..rip movement is a big problem for warriors defensive end...of course jeff will elevate warriors status cause they lose twice to that team..

[@ThousandairesClub]

*GS would beat them in 6 but the score would be 35-27 going into halftime lol.*

[@juliusedwards7199]

🤣🤣

[@DontAdoreYou]

The warriors might score 35 in the first. And it would be over in 5 brother

[@ThousandairesClub]

@@DontAdoreYou *ain't nobody scoring 30 in a quarter on that Pistons team, cut it out 😂they were holding Shaq and Kobe to 20 points a quarter, sometimes less.*

[@DontAdoreYou]

@@ThousandairesClub Different era and what does the lakers have to do with this? The warriors have scored 50+ in a quarter multiple times without kd but the pistons gonna stop that🤣

[@DontAdoreYou]

@@ThousandairesClub They never scored 35 in a half and it wouldn’t happen with the pistons. The 2019 raptors were one of the best defensive teams ever and they couldn’t hold a kd/klayless warriors to that so stop dreaming lol

[@chennao]

RJ spoke no lies, GSW w KD were unstoppable

[@realfloxks__0637]

So richard gone ignore that tayshaun prince shot 36% or higher from 3 in 11 of his 17 nba seasons 😂

[@rebeccajohnson4156]

I don’t think anybody worried about the 2 3’s princess going to make in a game

[@jamesedward5420]

36 is cool....but Steph, KD, and Klay were in the 40 percent range. The three of them were basically 50 40 90 guys.

[@brianwatson7099]

Even The 2015 Warrior would beat the 04 Pistons in 6 games

[@coachtee6394]

Pistons in 6

[@tellymcneal2743]

Insane 😂

[@coachtee6394]

@@tellymcneal2743 Have you seen how Steph and KD react to physical play ? They were pushed to 7 by a Houston team that switched everything...I'm selecting physical skilled teams over soft skilled teams every time...

[@ihabibrahim8902]

Even when JRich was quiet i was waiting for a stream of stats to rain down

[@BigAcapella]

Pistons had 4 allstars in one year

[@leonlee877]

So did the Warriors

[@BigAcapella]

@@leonlee877 good point. I forgot that.

[@SamuelJ888]

@@leonlee877 and all 4 of them will be HOF

[@chadhowell7239]

The hawks had 5 what does that mean?

[@BigAcapella]

@@chadhowell7239 hawks had 4. And it means they're the first ones that did that and never won anything. NBA messed up.

[@davidl242]

You don’t need the 2017 Warriors to beat the Pistons, last year’s play-in version will do. No team these days trying to play through the post, which was 80% of the 2000s offense, it’s alot slower and alot less shots. The Warriors will outshoot the Pistons by a mile and dominate the number of offensive possessions, then you factor in they are scoring in more 3s vs 2s….. the math just aint mathing. It’s like in hockey, if a teams takes 40 shots at the goal and you only take 20…. Chances you are gonna lose.

[@stackchips5991]

04 Pistons defense would’ve shut that offense down 😂 Prince would have shut KD down Ben Wallace blocking shots into the stands! No one would be able to chase Rip. Man Golden State won in an era where no one plays defense! If they played 04 Pistons they be just looking 👀 like the star studded Lakers 😮 like damn what the hell just happened lmao 🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣

[@willstoudemire-pulliam9084]

Did ya forget Memo was coming off that bench?

[@accordingtodrew7302]

Compared to iggy, Livingston, McGee, David west, looney

[@ericking4549]

Lmao only threat of the bench is Iggy memet outplaying 57 year old dwest, Livingston is a non shooter, looney wasn't there yet, Jaavaall McGee ends up on shaqtin a fool

[@juliusedwards7199]

These dudes are forgetting that benches have to play. Pistons bench was much better in ‘04 and would’ve mucked up the game by slowing the pace. Also, the Rockets had the Warriors on the ropes until CP3 got hurt. Would definitely be an interest matchup.

[@thomasj1026]

Bro the warriors during that run had the best complete bench. Far better than the pistons. You smoking crack

[@DatsjoeYT]

They don’t know about that pistons bench they don’t know about bob sura buckets, Mike James buckets, okur another shooter,like the pistons went 12 deep that’s what ppl don’t understand you would have to see it with your own eyes not just with no he says she says!

[@latima123ify]

Not the same warriors team lol , that was the 2018 team

[@dariusfrazier9393]

Bruhh that roster is unfaaaaiiiir. The depth is ridiculous

[@GFMSancho436]

2004 pistons in 6 games

[@Newportnews98]

Yeah in 2k

[@jmichael91]

I love the 04 Pistons. But what they greatly relied on was their defense. While the Warriors had perfect offense and great defense. Even if the Pistons stopped them on plays idk how they’d score consistently themselves. Different eras different rules also play a huge factor

[@user-vh9bq2mp7i]

People always forget you have to play both sides... They were a matchup nightmare.

[@unaneaennuevayork5416]

Ben Wallace would manhandle Draymond 😂😂😂 there will be no X factor for the Warriors

[@Newportnews98]

🧢🧢

[@loffomonkey7942]

O ball knowledge, if klay caughts fire, assuming that STEPH and KD were cold its finished

[@jwilliamson-xo8nd]

Point out 1 time Draymond has been manhandled lmao he always hold his own. 😂

[@unaneaennuevayork5416]

@@jwilliamson-xo8nd he never played against Shaq nor Ben

[@unaneaennuevayork5416]

@@loffomonkey7942 didn’t say they would beat them 🐱

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

When he realized it was the 17 warriors with KD and was liek AH shiiet I digress LOL

[@evannatland5151]

I'm sick of these old heads who never shot the three or ran nearly as fast as these guys now think thinking they would keep up. Bro we have EVOLVED. The average nba player in 2024 would be winning awards in 2004 for like 6th man of the year because they 3 and D way better now than they ever have.

[@tjrose9830]

@Oldasianguyyou do realize people hand check in AAU right😂😂😂. I’m tired of you people who never played travel basketball act like you know how young players grow up. Everybody in the NBA grew up around handcheck.

[@evannatland5151]

@Oldasianguy it's been that way for over two decades now, y'all act like you could Push people around and you simply never could and hand checking ain't got shit to do with 3 pt revolution. It just helps people drive off the perimeter, great defense is still very possible you just have to be fast instead of strong and not foul. You act like y'all were playing football out there and it's fkin laughable 😂😂

[@evannatland5151]

@Oldasianguy I watch the old man games, the classics. Mj, magic, kobe, Shaq. The way basketball is played with analytics and people simply taking and MAKING more threes will literally run any of these old teams off the court no Matter how many times you grab Steph currys jersey he would still dance on anyone and send your fans home crying. The slowest teams today are faster than Steve Nash suns. WE HAVE EVOLVED WE DONE WITH THE 90’s

[@Pauly_walnuts]

​@Oldasianguylmao handchecking ain't stopping shit right now. Kobe said "I don't care if they have 3 hands hand checking ain't stopping me." But he did mention how once zone defense came in they couldn't just iso like the pre zone era. Thats why modern teams have multiple players that can put the ball in the hoop, they evolved. Handchecking isn't stopping teams that have 3 or 4 guys that can put the ball in the hoop.

[@Pauly_walnuts]

​@Oldasianguy Kobe Bryant "But for scorers like myself and Carmelo and KD, the rules from the '80s can be more beneficial for us, because you have to be played straight up. You want to double team, you got to come all the way over. So, for us, I don't care if you hand check us with three hands. If there's nobody behind you, you're not going to stop us. So the zone I think cripples some of the top scorers.”

[@gold6813]

04 Pistons team riding that ring as much as the 08 Celtics

[@user-xg8zt1uf6d]

2004 pistons don't lose to anybody. Chauncy was to physical for curry and would have had him demoralized. Hamilton would have been doing to clay what clay does to everyone else running through screens. Teyshaun is a matchup nightmare that KD isn't used to having to deal with, and if golden state is having an off night they're getting zero rebounds

[@Dilly_Dil1y]

Lol

[@aced6990]

The team with the best regular season record of all time, plus one of the best scorers of all time in KD. The best shooter of all time in Steph and their THIRD option on a good night could be the 2nd best shooter of all time in Klay. No level of defense is consistently holding that team under 90 points. Warriors sweep

[@anthonypierre2094]

What must don't talk about is how good defensively GS was. They had the best defense in the league and KD and Klay was pre injury and played EXCELLENT defense that yr. Livingston was like Rip Hamilton Jr

[@Allaluca]

KD, Steph, and Klay was just too much fire power for any team...lock one up and the other two would still rain on you from anywhere on the court

[@nelsonposey1711]

Whoever thinks warriors win think defense is less important than offense that warriors team was not that good defensively

[@Tim_Dunkin]

Yeah I'm going the 2017 GSW. The playstyles are too different Sheed & Wallace having to cover all that ground on defense every single play. Ppl from past eras can lean on that physicality argument but if you watched games back then your know it was far from a car crash every play like they try to make it seem

[@Sportshead2389]

This disrespect for how good a two player prime klay was is wild he was a better player than rip with alll respect to that pistons team which they deserve a lot of they weren’t even close to this warrior team 4-1

[@juwanproctor3812]

This

[@Travdust]

Who’s guarding Memo Okur, Corliss off the bench? Also Lindsey and Mike James full court pressure in the back court.. people say who’s guarding Iggy?!? Anyone.. he doesn’t make his own shot. Great athlete but he’s not a star at this point.

[@HuyTran-vr5pg]

I’ll say this: Chauncey has never been considered to be the best PG of all time.. Steph on the other hand has been in that discussion against Magic for multiple years and now a lot of people actually believe he is the best. So if you are just gonna sit here and say Steph vs Chauncey is an even match up u gotta be outta your mind

[@williammckenzie9325]

Fact of the matter is hands down even with their so called Death Star 5 pistons still winning in any rule area because golden state greatest strength is also their greatest weakness!

[@rome24k]

Klay n tayshaun even? Never

[@wingman4356]

Underrated x-factor for Pistons just like in 04: Lindsey Hunter. He and 6'9 Tayshaun Prince with the freakishly long suffocating wingspan are 2 of the greatest perimeter defenders in history who locked down Kobe in the 04 Finals, and Prince locked down Tracy Mcgrady in 03 after the Pistons got down 3-1 and is perfect for KD (Tracy 2,0). However, the 2 Pistons defenders couldn't be more different. Hunter is like a lightning quick, rugged, strong NFL RB who is the one guy who can get in Steph's grill 94 feet for 15-20 minutes a game like he's never experienced and physically wear him down. Whenever an opponent's offence got in a flow Larry Brown would throw Hunter in with fresh legs and it would throw a wrench into the machine. Hell, Matthew Dellavedova gave Curry problems with his Rugby athleticism and build before he was hospitalized with exhaustion because he wasn't used to playing half the minutes and expending energy guarding a generational player like Curry over multiple games. Pistons D Matches up perfectly: 1. Prince has Durant and will smother him like he did to Mcgrady in 03 and Kobe in 04. 2. Rip can chase down Klay better than anyone because he does the same thing on offence and never gets tired. 3. Chauncey, who also has the build of an NFL player, will be a much better (2nd Team All Defense multiple times) version of Dellavedova on Steph before Hunter checks in. Then Steph really has to work. 4. Sheed guards Draymond who will have no problem sticking with one of the least athletic players in the NBA. It's Draymond's Jokic like IQ that's the wild card. Yet if that's a problem the Pistons can switch one of the most athletic, strongest and possibly GOAT defender in Ben Wallace. 5. Ben Wallace can start on Iggy And Pistons shoot 3s too. Chauncey and Sheed can from very deep with Prince able to stroke it from the logo like it's a walk in the park, just watch his five threes in a row to start the game against North Carolina when playing for Kentucky. Future 7'0 All Star Mehmet Okur is a great 3-point shooter off the bench. And Darko!

[@whales312]

Steph curry made Marcus smart (the DPOY) look like an absolute chump! Steph is going for 30, that’s just how good these guys were offensively. You can’t guard them

[@SportacularSports]

Prince is guarding KD Mehmet Okur coming off the bench shootng 3s .. Detroit was built with to play any style… With Coach LarryBrown.. I’m going with Detroit because of Larry Brown

[@foxpaw7530]

Depends when they were allowed to tackle people on court? Pistons offensive talent doesnt work without a push and shove D to go along with it. Warriors championchip O has zero competition. They also didnt mention they wouldve had to double stef once the logo 3s started falling

[@miketaylor1824]

This guy didn't mention Bulls teams at all.

[@jeffindetroit1752]

I got one question who's big enough to keep Ben Wallace off the boards the man held Shaquille O'Neal and check

[@cskaismful]

Its very simple. Rules are different and that makes a STAGGERING difference. Hence why debates such as this are irrelevant because the game and the rules are different so its pointless.

[@user-un4td3hp7k]

Ben Wallace is the deal breaker! Warriors would have to shoot outside. Remember they beat the lakers in the finals

[@dscwac396]

They swept a super team with Payton and Malone also.

[@trayvonmeans2154]

2017 spurs in the playoffs was going to beat that team so I can see that 2004 pisters team beat them

[@lonesoljazangetsu1157]

RJ keep talking about outpacing. Why would tayshaum try to outscore instead of play his game? He stuck on 1v1 matchups. The pistons were a team. They played team defense. Tashaun wouldve soent all his energy getting easy baskets and locking up kd and klay.

[@takhelmayumsantoshsingh969]

These old guys need to stop saying oh we can dominate today's game oh you're not the in today's game even the bench player needs to have skills bags, shooting, handles, switching, off the ball movement, defense( two way players) etc but in old era players who had 3 or 4 abilities of the above are consider Star, no offense but the game has evolved 30+ points ahead is not safe in today's game