The Rise Of The BIGGEST Dumpster Fire In The NHL (Ottawa Senators)

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[@RobTalksHockey]

Which NHL team has had the greatest comeback story?

[@seanfaucher9602]

Columbus when they came back and went to the playoffs or maybe something else it’s tough to say also the Canadians in the playoffs did a good job

[@johnlukejasko9362]

Probably Colorodo, because even though they never belonged at the bottom of the league, winning a cup a few years later is still impressive.

[@joshuarenaud9928]

Ottawa Senators, during their miraculous run, with Andrew Hammond and coach Dave Cameron. During the "Hamburglar Run" 20-1-2 last 23 games. Ended taking Boston out of their playoff spot, to take their spot in the final game.

[@alkenbrackmatt1]

Not the Vancouver Canucks

[@_p4trik_csgo270]

Bruins!

[@5--.Inertia.--5]

Kris Kunitz double ot goal is the most heartbreaking moment of my sports life 💔🥺

[@alexdiaz9755]

still haunts me too this day

[@nahiyanishtiaque1283]

Hey, if we win the Cup one day with this core, we can thank Kunitz for starting it all off even though it was painful at first

[@Mr.O-Town]

@@nahiyanishtiaque1283 Yes but we’d have a cup already if we scored in OT. Pittsburgh ran through Nashville that Final

[@5--.Inertia.--5]

@@nahiyanishtiaque1283 ♥

[@brandonarnold5903]

Agreed 😢

[@Darkrelm51]

brassard deal was before the 2017 playoff run and he was a big part of that run.

[@zakraz4883]

Still shouldn't have made it...

[@sushisaxophone]

@@zakraz4883 it worked for what they wanted. They wanted someone who could impact their team THAT season, and brassard did just that. Did they win the trade overall? God no. But they got what they were looking for.

[@chrispswann6825]

Brassard had 11 points in 19 games during that playoff run. Not bad. Yet Zibanejad had 9 points in 12 games for the Rangers in those same playoffs. Had Zibanejad still been with the Sens he would have had a great playoff run and considering the Sens lost by a game 7 OT goal, maybe if Zibanejad was in the lineup instead of Brassard, the Sens may have gotten past Pittsburgh and won the Stanley Cup.

[@5--.Inertia.--5]

Funny timing as Ottawa just three days ago signed him to professional tryouts

[@AcX12]

@@chrispswann6825 it's easy to say now looking at stats and how the players are now. But if you watched the sens back then you saw that zib was never going to become the player he is now on ottawa, it's one of those cases where a fresh start on a new team helped him.

[@hlmfromdao]

Brassard was a massive piece in that 2017 cup run. Sure he shit the bed later on but during that 2017 run he played great.

[@bkeithdavidson1057]

Brass couldn't save the team, nothing could save the team from Duchene. Bro is cursed.

[@Sourmilk69]

@@bkeithdavidson1057 it was more a matter of the team not actually being that good, and the one trick pony coach wearing out his welcome. Karlsson’s the only reason the sens made it that far that year, the d-core featured Cody ceci and a washed up phaneuf. On forward you had no number 1 centre, a mark stone that didn’t show up, an alcoholic bobby ryan leading the charge, and a one dimensional mike Hoffman. Pageau was a great third liner, Dzingle isn’t a good player, the fourth line got exposed as those trades Dorian made weren’t very good (burrows, stalberg etc). Anderson was hot and cold. Third pairing was garbage and if I remember correctly you had the ghost of methot and then Freddy Claesson playing with karlsson. What karlsson did with that mediocre roster was nothing short of miraculous. I was pissed that they didn’t pick up a defence-man at the deadline

[@joshdrumheller4920]

They won that Karlsson trade by a long shot. Stutzle is an amazing and very promising center for years to come. BTW, I'm a die hard Caps fan but after getting drafted by them on NHL 22, and being there my whole 5 years(and many more to come!!!), I'm beginning to grow some love for this team.

[@chengliu872]

Yeah, but at the time it happened most people didn't see it that way. It is further proof that one cannot properly judge a trade of that sort (one that involves a lot of prospects and/or draft picks) until years later.

[@joshdrumheller4920]

@@chengliu872 agreed. No one expected them to get the 3rd overall pick. It was good fortune and a good trade as we look back years later. As you said, you're not sure what to expect or get out of it when it happened. It's a gamble essentially.

[@NotViglio]

GoSensGo

[@therealdarrell282]

@@joshdrumheller4920 Any time you do a trade, there is always a risk and a reward.

[@Mr.O-Town]

Thank God!! It’s been rough being a Sens fan… Duchene is literally cursed.

[@nitemareish]

I have been saying this for a while. Any team with him on their roster doesn't achieve what they want. And then the stench lingers in the room... However theres hope... Avs finally won a cup.. so theres hope soon the stench will go away

[@stopdroolin8418]

You thinking a video online has any say so on how thing will actually go or not is what I find funny. Ottawas a bad team, even now.

[@treboroat3026]

@@stopdroolin8418 stop drooling over us bro

[@alfiesmullet1311]

It's a good feeling as a sens fan to finally be excited for the season to start again

[@timothyharaldson1500]

How do you feel now?

[@alfiesmullet1311]

@@timothyharaldson1500 are you just looking for all my comments from before the season started to ask me how I feel now?

[@deltagolavista1]

The Zbad trade happened prior to the run and my theory is that he wouldn't have broken out like he did without Panarin. Brassard was a key figure in getting the Sens to Conf Finals as well with 4 goals and 7 assists. Also the return (tree) for Bassard landed Jacob Bernard-Docker, Cam Talbot & Mads Sogaard. The entire dumpster fire comes down to one factor: Karlsson should never have been made captain. It should have been Phillips followed by Stone. Once Phillips and Neal retired, the true leadership of the core was gone, and the room shattered. Melynk, at the time of the tear down, said players like Karlsson, Stone, & Duchene were too old for multi-year deals and he was right. Besides Stone (who they wanted to keep) no other former Senator has lived up to their first contract after being traded.

[@expxnd5167]

completely agree.

[@stevenbrodeur3023]

Zbad and Panarin never really played together other than on the PP. I think Zib just needed to mature a bit more to become the player he is today. I do think the sens needed immediate help and brassard seemed to be the better option at the moment. Hindsight being 2020 it hurt but there was a thought process that went into that trade imo

[@OttawaRocks]

From the 2017 team If there was one player that I would have kept it would have been Pageau, someone with a vested interest in the NCR, proving it even today with a 2% stake in les Olympiques. Pageau would have cost less than Stone to keep and would have been invaluable in setting an example for youngsters looking to break into the team.

[@tifpo33]

@@OttawaRocks Pageau and De Melo should have been kept. Complete agree on all points for Pageau. De Melo could have been kept as a reliable stay-at-home RD to play with Chabot that Ottawa keeps looking for. Moreover, De Melo was traded for nothing except a mid-range pick.

[@JD200_]

Zib broke out before Panarin

[@JJimmy647]

I’m a Bruins fan but I’m from Ottawa and let me tell you the fans have never given up on the team despite the owner giving away all of the players of the jerseys they bought

[@srjoncas3422]

Being an ottawa native watching the sens over the summer was insane never seen this talent up close

[@codycassel8996]

Attendance says otherwise

[@hlmfromdao]

@@srjoncas3422 it’s going to be a awesome season my friend

[@srjoncas3422]

@@hlmfromdao it will be indeed

[@JJimmy647]

@@srjoncas3422 last time the city saw talent like this Jason Spezza and Ray Emery were in town lol

[@tgs2141]

The Dushene and Stone traded really weren’t that bad, they got some pretty good prospects out of it

[@rileykazama3145]

And somehow Stone has been efficient when he's is healthy for Vegas

[@tgs2141]

@@rileykazama3145 I do still miss Mark Stone a lot

[@braeden6449]

Stone is an elite winger, Brannstrom has yet to make an NHL impact and if he doesn’t this year or next, he’ll be labelled a bust fs. Either way, not a good return at all

[@christopheramonson2334]

The Mark Stone trade was bad. Brannstrom had yet to prove his worth.

[@Sourmilk69]

@@braeden6449 I’d say he’s already a bust in all honesty

[@bluejetanimations4893]

Still hate the Blackhawks for trading Debrincat…

[@KirraTheCleric]

I’m with you there. Stupid, stupid.

[@spearmintmedia]

This season can't start soon enough as a Sens fan

[@tomiuuttera638]

How is he literally cursed? Can i see some proof of this in Black Ink? Who cursed HIM?

[@ryandymond2195]

The Ottawa Senators will be a team to pay attention to during the 2022-2023 season. Anyone could make the case that they are the most improved team during this offseason.

[@solarion9802]

This post hasn't aged well. Given that the Sens...currently last in the Atlantic need to collect 69.3% of the remaining points available to them to have a hope of making the playoffs it seems all but certain that they shan't be playing hockey in May. Surprising? Yes. Disappointing? Yes, but what is going wrong with this team? Their special teams are mediocre, their GA is a bit high and their GF is a bit low...as a result they've lost a whole bunch of close games. It seems they need at least one more year to find their rhythm as they're certainly better than 27th in the league...on paper.

[@kodibullard2292]

aged well my man

[@silverscreenwanderer]

Love the transitions. Great use of the Goldeneye music. I think I’ll be watching some Sens games this year.

[@lougaru2445]

This video needed to be done. Congrats Rob

[@lebradyskywalker5761]

07 pause screen in the background is so awesome

[@beefchief31]

Great video Rob!

[@user-vc7ps6tk8i]

Great video as always. Question … what music is played around the 6 min mark with Stutzle?

[@bluejetanimations4893]

Love ur videos Rob!

[@kellyactormosgoog]

I like the image of Melnick when talking about the pinecone. Just know he never would have allowed those players to sign those deals if he were alive.

[@michadonald]

Is it sad that as a sens fan I'm glad that he's not in charge anymore? Yes respect his life, but I'm not sad to see the sens make Genuine progress

[@kellyactormosgoog]

@@michadonald I think sens fans in the know would be happiest, tbh. He was basically responsible for not retaining good players over the past decade. This was the perfect year for him to pass, as suddenly these good young players have been locked down and veterans brought in to make a major push

[@DanielJTeichroew]

Those were dark times as a sens fan, but the future is looking very bright!

[@expxnd5167]

I loved brassard while he was here and now he returns.

[@knowltoncharie2374]

Calling any team the biggest dumpster fire isn't accurate when the Coyotes exist

[@jeremybrazier786]

Biggest dumpster fire in the NHL?? Arizona might play in a college arena but they are still in the NHL, and they've been a huge dumpster fire for how long now?

[@jdhockey12]

Very excited to see what Giroux can do with capable line mates. He’s never had anything to work with in his entire career (besides Florida obviously). He’s only around 75 points away from 1000 career and he’s still hungry for the cup. I think he already deserves the HOF but a win would basically guarantee it

[@gavinrector6505]

I think they will be good but be just a wild card or miss the playoffs

[@THE_bchat]

His best offensive season happened while he played on a line with Couturier & Voracek.

[@ryanplunketthockey8131]

9:30 the way my face went from 😐 to 😊

[@PompeyGamesRoom]

As a UK Senators fan, I must admit that staying up late to watch games this year has been a lot more enjoyable than the last few years. I loved this episode and in all honesty, I think next year might be the year that we spring to life. Still not there defensively yet but with Jake Sanderson, Thomas Chabot, and Artem Zub I think we just need a more veteran defenseman added to the mix to take us to that next level in that area of the ice.

[@lawrenceparker1523]

Canucks, hold my beer .

[@Zygmunt-Zen]

Finally feeling optimistic as a Sens fan.

[@therealdarrell282]

Ottawa has some young guys that play hockey, but it is sad that the players end up leaving to go somewhere else. Bland the suits.

[@averagejosh6699]

Now they have one of the best futures in the NHL

[@mondredgaming8927]

And not trying to speak ill of someone who passed away but realize that the Sens have finally turned it around in the first off-season since their late Owner passed away.

[@adampastor210]

You should make a similar video but for the current Philadelphia Flyers (2019 vs now).

[@JonnyDElliott]

I miss prime EK65 so unbelievably much man, really hoping he can turn his career around

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

You forgot to mention the Uber cam sh*tstorm

[@Tommyboy13100]

No, he mentioned that. He even showed some uber footage.

[@jaspertenasco2686]

He is on 🔥 now

[@rileykazama3145]

I like how you says the word pine cone bro

[@Bubbles_Bubbles_Bubbles]

The older I get, the more I confuse myself. I'm a Michigander, and love the Red Wings. I also want to see the Leafs win one. I like the Sens. I'm happy to see Ovechkin win one. I want the Oilers to win. I like the Coyotes. I like the Sharks. I like the expansions. I'm even to the point where I sincerely LIKE Crosby. I love this game.

[@ray017ray017]

this is my team. i went thought so much anger and got made fun of by all my canadian fellows. im glad that im actually excited to buy tickets again and watch every single game on tv. Go sens!

[@Metalblaze124]

Fast forward to 23-34 and it's the same old dumpster fire lol

[@VVhitesOnly88]

Just watching that shit again killed me. I think they would've beat the preds. Ohhhh, what might've been? Making a run this year for sure. 🤞

[@TheIdiotSensFan01]

Karlsson had a great time with Ottawa, I’m just glad he choice on what he decided to do. #nhl

[@JhubeiFC]

Beauty of a rebuild by PD

[@OlafurRagnar69]

Hot take: Ottawa makes the playoffs this year. A decent top 6 with Talbot in net should be interesting

[@justinjohnson4855]

and mats sogard as backup goalie

[@chengliu872]

@@justinjohnson4855: I am pretty sure that Søgaard will be their #1 in the AHL and their goaltending tandem will be Cam Talbot and Anton Forsberg. Personally I feel like that would be better, that way Søgaard has more playing time, if he was the backup in the NHL; he would just be sitting on the bench most of the time.

[@chengliu872]

At least they look to have a good season coming up and assuming they do, it will feel so much better. As an Ottawa Senators fan from the SF Bay area I remember how many people said that the Sharks robbed the Senators on the Erik Karlsson trade. Even back then I had a feeling that the Senators would eventually come out ahead.

[@tiffaniterris2886]

Without having watched the video, Arizona?

[@kodibullard2292]

EK bounced back alright

[@gp2engine397]

Wow, Not clickbait. Like, sub again

[@Gergentine]

Karlsson actually had the most defensive zone exits of any defenseman by a large margin. So many people said he didn't play defense because he wasn't physical but never realized it was because he was so good defensively that he was able to create so much offense. Kinda ironic 😆 and I hated the sens, but the dude was solid. Not 100% sure on this one, but I thought he was usually top 10 in takeaways as well. He never needed to be physical, that was literally the entirety of Methots game.

[@booby_flipping4854]

Gonna need to do a part two soon 🔜

[@Bagnon609]

Go Sens Go!

[@Tommyboy13100]

Worth mentioning... Hoffman never scored 30 for Ottawa

[@rhybomb]

Those were some dark days...

[@chris.h4007]

about the 3:55 , lets not pretend that the canadien lost major player like Price, Weber, Danault and the list goes on. Just wanted to put that out there

[@martharunstheworld]

Thank you Sens for Mika! Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!!

[@alpearson9158]

In Ottawa he just couldn't find his game , often a trade makes a difference in mental attitude and the trade to the Rangers brought a mind set change halfway through the next season

[@sens_outlook]

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson Debricnat-Stutzle-Giroux Had the guys in different spots, but bottom line this is very scary. I hope we can get a Top 4 Dman, and we have pretty good goaltending with Talbot and Forsberg.

[@arttumatiasnuutinen]

we need a good RD to the top pair

[@sens_outlook]

@@arttumatiasnuutinen Chabot-Zub is the top pair

[@oxymoron7320]

EK breaking 100 points this year 😂

[@ponyboy9765]

Came here to see the Senators to get roasted but then remembered I’m a sharks fan 😭

[@seanfaucher9602]

Rob, whose the most underrated player in nhl history in your opinion?

[@Raltar]

I feel out of all of the teams in the NHL, the Senators improved the most over the offseason.

[@mischamar]

Goldeneye N64 soundtrack

[@ayashin19]

Go sens go wooooot

[@wej4life]

Senators managed to break 3 teams after 2017: themselves, the Rangers for closing their contending window with that series win, and Sharks for dumping a broken Karlsson on them for a huge cap hit. That's impressive. On the plus side, they gave Vegas their captain so...thanks I guess? Video was good but should have mentioned how Karlsson played with a broken foot throughout that playoff run. In hindsight that makes his output look even better and it was cruel to see them barely fall to the Pens in ECF.

[@r6siege98]

Only 4 years, felt like 8

[@timlind3129]

They played above their level in 2017 but it was a great run. They have to be better this year; but still not cup contenders imho

[@deBebbler]

Excellent video. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Wings fan and I want you to lose... badly. But the video is very well done.

[@QuinnVG]

Wait what was the stats you said about Karlsson in 2022…? 2.92 goals per game last season? He had 10 goals in 50

[@RobTalksHockey]

2.92 goals on average were scored every game. When Karlsson won the Norris there was 2.54 goals on average per game. Now it wouldn’t be a 1:1 ratio, but Karlsson wouldve surely scored more if he hit his prime in today’s game

[@QuinnVG]

@@RobTalksHockey ah gotchya, ya he was so good

[@7.62totheskull]

so, when will the sens make the playoffs again???????

[@alpearson9158]

2023/2024

[@blueshky]

Rob- song at 6:15?

[@RobTalksHockey]

It's from a KZbinr named Ariel Beats. I have been loving the 80's Synth music

[@masonbray]

Let’s be realistic here…Arizona and Buffalo are way bigger dumpster fires cmon

[@hlmfromdao]

Ottawa got worse then rebuild. During that time Buffalo and Arizona were trash and are still trash.

[@Gergentine]

Yeah AZ and buff were bad, but Melnyk really tipped the scales with his cringe. The pegulas in Buffalo are pretty bad too, but not quite Melnyk level.

[@nicksternyr8728]

chris kunitz really turned a team into a garbage can

[@nickkaufman4078]

Us Sens fans knew this was coming soon

[@SteelersSenators1994]

Rob yikes man I love your videos I even like your car vids. This is a tough title. You could argue the sens have had some of the best success in terms of playoff wins and appearances of Canadian teams since they joined the league in 92. Dumpster fire I don’t think so

[@TheMur28]

As a Sens fan: if we’re talking about the entire franchise history you’re probably right. (Although the first season and the playoff record against Toronto are certainly massive blemishes - being the only team that can’t win a playoff series against the team that can’t win a playoff series is not great for your reputation) If we’re just talking about the last 5 years: dumpster fire is a pretty accurate summary (although this year is finally looking promising)

[@connorgibbons7631]

GO SENS GO

[@robertcls3110]

Does this count as a lowcow video?

[@ryanh1544]

Were there any fans actually roasting Ottawa for trading Karlsson to the Sharks right after his ankle injury and all this drama, all I remember was thinking San Jose is taking an absolute monster of a risk trading their future for a defenceman who relies on his skating ability with a serious ankle injury.

[@xMaSSxHyST3RiA]

So it wasn't just dumb luck?? I think some luck had to come our way as Sens fans some of those trades were brutal

[@carbb5760]

Send top 6 is potentially best in the league. Don’t sleep on batherson he’s being forgotten a bit but he’s a potential 80-85 point player. He was pacing that last year before his injury

[@TheMur28]

The problem with trying to account for Batherson and Formenton is that we don’t actually know if they’ll be on the team. (it all depends on the Hockey Canada investigation and what their roles - if any - were determined to be)

[@TraderChriis]

Debrincat will walk, Sens got fleeced

[@jmuney8720]

Erik Karlsson hater here, I haven’t forgot about his epic seasons in Ottawa, he’s just not the same player anymore. I also hate the Sharks so maybe I’m biased now

[@agnethaladuff8559]

Aww, don't feel so bad about Canadian hockey clubs having "Dumpster Fires". No Canadian hockey club is going to win a Stanley Cup in that Sleazy Ex Used Car Salesman Gary Bettman's NHL.

[@CaptSamLavender]

Derrick Brassard always got so much hate, and remained such a solid player for so many teams

[@benguin_]

And unfortunately the Penguins were not one of those teams to benefit.

[@awesomematthews1238]

Ottawa is still a dumpster fire. Debrinket clearly has no interest in being a Senator. Patrick Kane even publicly said he feels sorry for him.

[@franciscarpentier4115]

Look, you guys will do better than the Sens obviously, but you guys will NOT win the cup. In fact, you may not win a playoff series again.

[@mondredgaming8927]

what I learned from this video is that Erik Karlsson became the problem for teams

[@288theabe]

As a leafs fan living in Ottawa, the Sens’ fortunes started after Melnyk’s death. Guy was a cancer to this city

[@jacobjoslin6900]

I can’t wait until the trade deadline this year for the senators

[@chengliu872]

The Canadian Tire Center is over 25 years old. I wouldn't call it ancient or anything, but it is hardly "brand new".

[@RobTalksHockey]

Many sports arenas are 70+ years old

[@chengliu872]

@@RobTalksHockey: Yes and many aren't. I would call the CTC newish, but not brand new.

[@anonymousrex5207]

I think the Coyotes have been a far bigger dumpster fire than the Senators for the last decade.

[@mikhailalexandrovich9507]

Remember that time they gave Pierre McGwire a job? Lol

[@christopheramonson2334]

Pepperidge Farm remembers

[@pickachu69]

I always saw Detroit or Arizona as the leagues dumpster fire of the last 10 years.

[@awesomematthews1238]

Murray eliminated the Sens and went on to make sure they never even sniffed the playoffs. Now he is happy to be a Leaf and will prove this year that he was put here on the planet to disappoint Senators fans by winning the Leafs a cup.

[@alpearson9158]

hmm wanna bet?

[@coreyhill681]

Actually, I am really happy they were in the bottom for those years, If they were higher in the standings or in the playoffs, they will be no change getting these players in the draft

[@trixielonglegs8320]

STOPPED GOING LONNGGGG AGO. TOTAL SHITTY EXPERIENCE. FAR, EXPENSIVE, NOTHING AROUND, IT'S BASICALLY IN AN OLD FARMERS FIELD, IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE... ❤FROM GATINEAU QUEBEC CANADA 🇨🇦

[@jasonwrites9186]

Oh man, there's some inaccurate info here, sadly. :(

[@chengliu872]

Such as?

[@KingstonMan]

Not nearly enough respect for Craig Anderson in that intro!

[@lukastieke7310]

"Just brutal, man" - I feel like that's an appropriate reaction to bullying a family for having a stillborn child😂 that had me in stitches tho, this is a great video in general, I really enjoy the talking points you bring to modern NHL history

[@taiter570]

Okay the only thing I have against this video is the lassi comment yeah ik he won’t be close to byram but he’s looking like being a very strong nhl defensemen

[@nolananderson4782]

If the Sens were a dumpster fire, what the hell are the coyotes?

[@TheMur28]

All of the garbage inside a massive garbage incineration facility.

[@mattymattffs]

Do the ducks

[@taitfraser8727]

Not gonna say the Brassard trade was good, but it's pretty disingenuous to not mention that the 2017 ECF run happened the season after that trade and that Brassard was an important part of that run.