Serge Modular | Episode 02 | Voices and Utilities (and Maths vs DUSG)

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@andrometer2382 6 ай бұрын

Your one of the best KZbin has to offer

@kirkyoung4147 6 ай бұрын

true

@geraldgoodiii6993 6 ай бұрын

I second that

@hlprmnky 6 ай бұрын

You can say there’s no story or self-expression in the “abstract sound art” vein of exploration, but of course there is, or can be - your voice can be heard when you’re curating a generative space just as readily as when you’re building up a composition from first principles, if your audience is ready to listen to what your choices have to say. Thank you for, as always, a brilliant and captivating introduction to a corner of the modular world that’s very new to me, at least.

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for you comment. You are absolutely right and I am sorry for the misconception. I was referring to that particular 'abstract' part in the video where I was just making weird noise, having absolutely no idea what I was doing. It felt like throwing paint at a canvas. I was referring to my own work which felt like a nihilistic noise study. What I was trying to say is: a story or any form of self expression turns noise into art. Without it, it's just noise.

@hlprmnky 6 ай бұрын

@@CinematicLaboratory Well, again I have to say thank *you* for having the courage to share that space of vulnerability and exploration with us! I am fascinated by Serge’s designs but am probably never going to be able to fill my 208HP case with R*S modules, or embark on the adventure of a 4U Serge system. This series you’re doing is super valuable to all of us, who will now get the chance to learn some of what a Serge system has to teach about synthesis vicariously. I’m looking forward to taking some of those lessons back to my own system. Cheers!

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

I just realized while making the GTO video that making useless noise is also part of the creative process. It's the part where one decides what to keep, like carving something out of a rock with powertools until it's shaped enough to use the finer tools. I knew all this, but it's different when you actually apply it.

@advaita9156 6 ай бұрын

That patch between 9 and 12 minutes is seriously class. Makes me want to dive more into the Serge world, I have VCFQ already…might add to it

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! I've been playing with the Serge 8XL sequencer all night after discovering what it can do, and adding a quantizer. OMG. This series will have a lot of episodes before it's done.

@advaita9156 6 ай бұрын

@@CinematicLaboratoryI’ll be here for the ride! Would be nice to see something on the VC Resonant EQ if you have the capacity for that too.

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

@@advaita9156 Definitely! I am currently working on the GTO module video, and the Res EQ is so special it deserves its own episode too. I absolutely love that module. It's a shame the voltage controlled Res EQ XL is so expensive and big. So I have the small one. Not the giant. But I can turn knobs myself which is a big part of the feedback fun.

@advaita9156 6 ай бұрын

@@CinematicLaboratory yeah the VC one is huge, if it was smaller and cheaper would be a must have imo. But effectively could it be VC’d with 8 VCA’s dedicated to every frequency band?

@goonfish 6 ай бұрын

@@CinematicLaboratory ResEQ Standalone video is a must! Maybe with a little showdown/collab patches with the Vari-Q VCF? 👀

@danmoore9682 6 ай бұрын

so glad you are making these, thanks! Exactly what I needed.

@ThierryHolweck 3 ай бұрын

Great video and advert for Serge Instruments, Bravo !!! and I can't agree more...and also agree about the fact, it can be used more than to do design abstract music/sound. Using a sequencer(I use Hermod) it works beautifully for melodic electronic music. Modulation works great, NTO+PCO, plus VCQF, Waves Mutliplier..I will recommend NTO which I have hard time to understand WTF it was used for, sorry I'm a musicien..and now it became essential, as DUSG and SSG..NTO modulating VQCF cutoff create a kind of smooth wood timber, love it..possibilities are endless about timber which sometimes sounds like classical instruments, I think it due to the quality of the very pure VCO..I will advice to add some extra attenuverters if you have an eurorack version,.

@fonitronik 6 ай бұрын

The DUSG is a unique and original circuit design by Serge Tcherepnin. MATHs copied this circuit and added a 4-channel attenuverting mixer (called CV PRO in the Serge-world) - don't know why they referenced it to Buchla. The DUSG mk II improved on the original circuit (temp compensation, tracking) but with the GTS Serge Tcherepnin designed a completely new circuit. The GTS is now working as VCO with incredible tracking and transient times.

@darylccc 6 ай бұрын

Inpiration, iteration and interpretation leads to new improved designs and ideas. I think the DUSG MKII & GTS are responses to the many iterations of the DUSG in eurorack and elsewhere.

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

@@darylccc I agree. I also learned that the DUSG was 4U when Maths V1 was developed, and it did not process audio rate at that time. It was intended for CV. I also believe the DUSG would not exist if Serge didn't teach at CalArt and getting inspired by Buchla's 100 or early 200 models. There's no Serge without Buchla. So I don't think Maths is a DUSG copy, but a tribute to 4U Serge and Buchla. I think the timeline is important here and it seems there was no deliberate 'copy' intention. When Maths was developed, Tony Rolando couldn't possibly realize it would take over the modular world and we'd be having this discussion :).

@goonfish 6 ай бұрын

While I've always been one to shoot-down Make Noise cultists who pick & choose when inspiration and innovation is kosher or due... even IF you ignore MATHS v2's different A-logic & gate processing sections, the mixer section is also much more than a basic summed attenuverter group-with its different-per-channel ±DC offset generators/adders)-but I suppose it is _very_ easy to miss if you're only basing its functionality off of panel labels...

@temporoboto 2 ай бұрын

💙

@synchromesh 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for making these videos, I'm enjoying your perspective. I'm doing my modular synth DIY with bananas which has led to some agonising over jack colour schemes. How useful do you find the Serge standard? I'm leaning towards the BugBrand scheme (four colours for CV & audio in and out). Cheers!

@toumbas 3 ай бұрын

beautiful sounds again, i think its time to add GTS :)

@CinematicLaboratory 3 ай бұрын

I'll try to cover it in the next Serge episode!

@mikegeary8056 6 ай бұрын

Impatiently waiting on my GTO to arrive

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

It will take weeks before I can make a tutorial for it :).

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

Finished half of the GTO video/movie. You're going to love it so much (the module, can't promise anything about the video).

@medusajapan 6 ай бұрын

Awesome video!

@geraldgoodiii6993 6 ай бұрын

We love u bro Keep it up!!!

@julianverrat-ich-nicht6130 6 ай бұрын

this is so exiting!

@oliverkollar9143 6 ай бұрын

Very awesome!! Re: v/oct- The old paper face oscillators are a little bit of pain to use for melodic sequencing since there are only 2 cv ins and no v/oct. You have to tune, retune, then tune the sequence. When you're using 2 oscillators or more this can be REALLY frustrating........let alone drift. The newer oscillators have v/oct and are temp. compensated. Makes melodic work much much easier.

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Even in modern eurorack there are plenty of VCO's that drift all over the place, don't track to higher octaves or detune when you look at it. I am hoping to borrow a Paperface 50 which has 1V/Oct, but the Roma dual SEQ4 isn't quantized so even when it tracks 100% perfect it will still be messy. Lots of reverb always helps, or pretending you're doing something microtonal. I often let go of pitch and just play frequencies by ear.

@isaacc7 6 ай бұрын

Loving the Serge journey! Count me among the many that have fallen in love with at least the idea of Serge 4u. Elby designs makes 3u Serge modules with either 3.5mm or banana. You are kind of stuck in the 70s if you stick with Serge modules in that line but there are plenty of new things from the likes of Ken Stone (CGS) and Ian Fritz. If you want to go 4u, Elby makes those as well but then you also have custom makers like Loudest Warning, Low Gain, Prism Circuits and more. I want to use bananas but am torn between the three formats, Elby Euroserge, Loudest Warning, and R*S. All have their own advantages and drawbacks. The good news is that they are all compatible with each other so aside from the rack they can be used together. Bugbrand works well with all of them as well.

@oliverkollar9143 6 ай бұрын

@@isaacc7 In my experience.......Prism, Elby and LW are cool in that they still do DIY as an option. If I were to start over in 4U Serge, I would definitely go Loudest Warning. You have sooo many circuits available and working with Charley is great. It's also relatively affordable when considering what you're getting in a panel. I had Charley build a panel with modern circuits , (DUSG, Wave Multiplier, Resonant EQ,) to play with my paper face system, and it has opened up so many more possibilities it's been mind blowing.

@fonitronik 6 ай бұрын

That's the reason that for the VCOs in the 50th anniversary edition Serge designed a new CV circuitry making them very stable and tracking extraordinary well. The core, thus the waveforms, are identical to the vintage.

@isaacc7 6 ай бұрын

@@oliverkollar9143 I’m thinking more along the lines of getting a boat/rack and building a system a module or two at a time. Full panels are just so expensive.

@geraldgoodiii6993 6 ай бұрын

When I patch the shared system I use it in a vacuum I guess u could say. It’s its own thing. I don’t use it in my productions. I just use it to patch and play and explore and learn. And I like it that way. Yea it can do “musical” but I prefer to make noise with it Frankly I get more enjoyment out of that 208hp case just fuckin around to see how complex of interactions I can get between modules than all my other Eurorack and other synths.

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

I bet you're aware I love making noise too, indeed to explore and learn. I bet you also have those 'wow' moments when something emerges you haven't heard before. I am just not a fan of too much randomness or too abstract. I need to be able to picture a scene in my head, even if it's just a kaleidoscpe of watercolors. When it's TV static, I'll explore further :)

@KenSwanson-p4i 6 ай бұрын

Robert, .. you mentioned quite a few things, in this .. but, "supposed to be music" .. obviously, we're free to follow our hearts, with our gear .. but, yes .. quirky, unearthly, etc. sounds is one thing, however interesting .. but, to get something in a rhythm, .. a catchy hook to the ear .. that's more rewarding.

@CinematicLaboratory 6 ай бұрын

My definition of music is extremely broad and it definitely includes the abstract, not confined to any scale or structure. But at some point, my brain ignores too much chaos or it gives me a headache or a sense of anxiety. I guess anything that resonates well is 'music'. If it doesn't, it's noise. This, of course, is totally personal.