TAS is going to change Freestyling FOREVER

TAS or Tool Assisted Speed Runs are coming to Rocket League. Is this going be the end of Freestylers in Rocket League? With TAS giving players a new way to fake clips and cheat world records, there is definitely a cause for concern. But will a public TAS BakkesMod Plugin really make human freestyles obsolete? In this video I will cover the history of hacks and cheats in Rocket League, explain what TAS is and isn't, and explore both sides of this controversial topic. TAS has the potential to take Rocket League to places it's never gone before by creating shots no human can do or even helping players discover new mechanics. And it all starts now. Use this link to download the FREE Rocket League TAS Plugin and try it out for yourself: bakkesplugins.... Watch Blaku's TAS Tutorial: • How to make a TAS shot...
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[@Rocket_Sledge]

Download TAS for yourself free and safely on the BakkesMod Website: bakkesplugins.com/plugins/view/351 Watch the entries for the FIRST Rocket League TAS Competition: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6nFonyuqJxsaas Watch Blaku's TAS Tutorial Video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6XRe4mPd5WLf5I and join my discord to share TAS ideas and tips: discord.com/invite/sledge

[@b3njaminp251]

Dude got his plugin stolen by guys making money out of it, then decide to make it free for everyone, this blaku guy is a mastermind

[@BlueMaxwell]

awesome my dude!!

[@adanhead5804]

hey ik blaku hes on twitch and hes a very nice person.

[@t.w.videos1739]

This is known as a taf not a tas btw

[@Rocket_Sledge]

@@t.w.videos1739 Since TAS was only publicly released with this video it really isn't "known" as anything because up until very recently TAS was not a part of Rocket League at all. TAF is a good way to describe it but I decided to stick to the more general term when describing it here. Personally I would like to keep the TAS designation and call them "Tool Assisted Shots"

[@froggouk2]

"oh, you're selling my TAS tools? Fine, I'm releasing it for free" - Absolute Chad

[@MemerManOfficiaI]

w comment

[@Hxgsy]

GIGA

[@QuoteVG]

This TAS guy just dominates every game he plays, unbelievable......

[@Garouriel]

lmaoo

[@Spud_Farmer]

Ikr he should join rlcs (Wait is this fore shadowing)

[@Verzion]

Lmao, when I was new to TAS I thought that tas was a guy and he was insanely good at games 😂

[@rip_8114]

nice take on TAS tbh. I love TAS but it's going to be controversial because people will abuse it. Either way, best we can do is hope that moderation and cheat detecting tools are developed and implemented faster than cheating and faking tools can appear. It's probably impossible as you can't predict every cheating method but it should be the goal moving forward.

[@luw]

i doubt tas would be used for cheating in online games, tas is just prerecorded moves, so u wouldn't even be able to use it to cheat, even the slightest positioning will make the TAS not work. Also TAS only meaning in life is to be abused, to discover the game limits.

[@rip_8114]

@@luw I guess it depends on what you call a TAS. The term stands for "tool assisted speedrun" so technically it doesn't apply to rocket league except for training packs really. You could argue that bots are TAS because they are a tool assisted way to explore and optimize gameplay which is what TAS was originally intended for. I think it's easier to put everything in the same basket and that way we can talk about the issue of cheating and scamming in a more intuitive way. The thing is that TAS has been used widely in deterministic straight forward games, but roctket league is so different that it's hard to compare.

[@luw]

@@rip_8114 so your point is... u didnt said anything about my statements

[@froggouk2]

@@rip_8114 TAS, whilst technically meaning any Tool assisted runs, has been largely quantified to frame by frame input in solo speedruns. To be able to use anything like a TAS in a live online game, you'd 1) Have to make sure it's undetectable and remains that way 2) Have a script ready to be fired for every position, angle, relation to the ball, opponents, team mates etc at all times . Essentially, you'd need an AI that's smart enough, which already exists and KZbinr have pranked people, but again not perfect and many players can still out smart and out play those AIs. TAS is not a concern apart from people faking clips for clout and money. AT this point, I think any clips lose their credibility unless they have an input display on the clip

[@Idkwhattoputhere...306]

@@luw Hmm not rlly making use of TAS in game only takes a bit of skill,lets say flicks as an example,its technically possible to get a flick over 150 kph since ive done it once before,it usually only takes that one flick and a program to refine it.(idk if RL has anti cheat but ignore this comment if they have anti cheat)

[@ThundaSurge]

Liked the video, and I think it is very important to get the free TAS tool as much public awareness as we can as it stops the BitTas crew from ever getting any traction. Was very sad that Blaku's TAS plugin was pretty much stolen but now with it free to everybody, Tyrese can't make any money on what he is trying to do.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Agreed!

[@Captain_Frosty]

Or just hear me out, we don't give any public awareness to any cheat tools. Crazy I know.

[@MBaderson]

You'll always still need a level of creativity and some skill even with TAS, but I think it would be cool to see people embrace it by pulling off the weirdest things with the in-game physics... As long as it stays fair and honest. It probably won't "remove" freestyling like we know it today but it could add an interesting new form depending on how it is used

[@TC7-Thecomplex7]

It's could honestly just be like how Speedruners have their own category for TAS runs and regular runs for most games.

[@Pixillnow]

@@TC7-Thecomplex7 and this comment in general are completely right. Tas is a whole thing in itself. And as long as you can moderate who is and isn’t using it in actual “freestyle” tournaments (keep in mind this would be basically impossible to use under any other circumstances) it’s not that much of an issue. If anything it just adds more depth to the already amazing game we know and love

[@Xyles7]

In other games TAS speedruns added mechanics to real speedruns so the same could happen with rocket league

[@DigitalJedi]

@@Xyles7 I could picture somebody training a massive reset chain with TAS, and then eventually doing one legit. Once the mechanic is proven possible, somebody will do it.

[@hallvarhustad]

It won't remove it, but certainly all freestyle will seem tame in comparison. Kind of how everyone was blown away by flip resets and double taps and ceiling shots earlier in rocket leagues life.

[@Vindilax]

I personally think that Halfway Dead has the most entertaining idea for TAS currently; speedrunning various packs and courses. TAS Freestyling is cool and all, but there's something about seeing a crazy complicated dribble course completed in a theoretically perfect run is fascinating to me. Either way, the potential for TAS is going to be a very interesting journey to see unfold.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Yep for sure. Using TAS to actually speedrun in RL is a given, it's just a very small part of the community so I decided not to cover that aspect.

[@steliux4603]

You are definately a gem for this community. Preventing scams and encouraging a good use of tas :)

[@RocketScience]

I want to add a couple of points: 1. If you change game speed with anything but BakkesMod, the indicator will not flash at a different speed. If anyone believes that they can detect cheaters in any offline activity purely based on these kinds of indicators, they have to be very naive. The only way to make sure that games are not played in slow motion and other cheats is to force people to have a controller cam like other speedrunning communities. 2. I have not looked at that pinch shot in detail myself, but I have to just point out that RL physics are pretty weird and I would not classify a pinch shot that got 3 ticks of acceleration necessarily as fake. If the acceleration happens a tenth of a second later then it is definitely fake, but 3 ticks in a row may be possible even if that's not the norm. For reference, when you hit the ball in the middle of the air, you only expect one contact because you don't push it against an object so it will just fly away from you immediately when you touch it. RL cars or the ball are not squishy after all. However, what I found during my TAS of the training pack, was that I had 2 touches on my last shot. I was attempting the final part over and over again to get as much power as possible and randomly got 15kph more on a shot. Once I investigated that shot, I found that the ball accelerates two ticks in a row, meaning that I must've touched it two ticks in a row. 3. Online: TAS requires the starting state of everything to be identical. That means, even in theory, you can only do it on kickoff. So you can ruin any attempts at cheating in online freestyle competitions by just going for the kickoff. You will never be able to get the game back into the same state again. In comp games that means that in theory people might be able to get more consistent kickoffs, but that can usually be countered by creative kickoffs. Also, the way they're currently programmed, it cannot work in online games. You'd have to do it differently by editing network packets or something, and even then the difference between AMD and Intel Servers could ruin the TAS.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Fortunately I think the overlap of players that want to cheat clips in RL and those that have the abilities and desire to make mods outside of BakkesMod is usually very small. Thus you usually end up with the "kids" that can only use already available plugins that are easier to detect.

[@Maktuf]

Great video 🙌 Very well made 😄❤

[@wildmonkeycar]

Every tool has a dark side. A hammer can be used on nails to build, or it can smash a window to steal things. The determining factor is the intent behind it, and the one who uses the tool for said intent

[@noahcalkins3074]

W comment

[@luw]

which in this case this doesn't seem to have a dark one, u can't even use to it in online games, it's just prerecorded moves

[@wildmonkeycar]

@@luw The darkside is how people use it to try to cheat world records

[@hhaste]

Exactly. I've been saying that for *years* about other things but people refuse to change their false beliefs.. it's wild.

[@luw]

@@hhaste the only way TAS will be able to be used as "dark side" would be on freeplay, its impossible to use it in online games due to TAS being manual prerecorded moves. WRs need a lot of proof, not just footage. i doubt anyone would be able to hide using TAS. TAS will only bring good to the freestyle community.

[@Gammer4862]

The videos just get better and better

[@hhaste]

Agreed. I wasn't a huge fan back in the day but every video that comes in, makes me enjoy this channel more and more.

[@neilthurston2934]

Ay sledge never dissapoints with his uploads

[@ItsMeXylo]

As mentioned in the video TAS is nothing new, I used to be apart of the TAS Trackmania community and I think it is good that it is coming to RL as then we can see what is possible, and it could lead to new mechanics or even understanding current mechanics better. It is a very good way to see what is theoretically possible and I think could make the top freestylers aspire to do more and be better from the TAS.

[@mattwest9767]

You are right and I think the Trackmania TAS history is such a good blueprint for the RL community and devs to use. From what I remember it had the exact same fear and speculation when it really started to emerge. And to be fair there were bad actors trying to fake WRs and succeeding. But the community continuously evolves to protect itself and TAS expands our understanding of mechanics. Also it's not a matter of should it be allowed, people will find a way regardless, so it's better to figure out how to cut its nefarious use to a minimum and enjoy the new mechs.

[@VskutkuTrigen]

I used to hate TAS I used to think its just bot playing the game... but its sometimes exactly that but it needed ton of work to get to that point... and its soo cool to see what is possible but not reallly possible by human being.

[@justanotherpxrson]

The TAS shots I have seen so far are just super fun to watch

[@jonrandomstuffclay1711]

Anytime I try to find out what something is and explained in rocket league. Almost without fail I find it on your channel.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Thank you for the compliment!

[@Mike_Toreno]

8:53 I've seen this already on Rocket Science's channel and I will never not be satisfied with this shot

[@jayyy5270]

With any development in tech it's always a question of who has control of it. The tech develops, better get it into the right hands. You did a good thing here making this publically available and known.

[@Kugly]

3:41 never thought that I'd see trackmania in a rocket sledge video lmao

[@itamto5704]

fr, but not the best tas choose thoo

[@ethnofalcon]

Great video. And great way to help shut down those jerks. Only thing the video was missing is talk of the potential of using TAS to train and increase the overall skill ceiling of the player base. TAS is used in other games as a blueprint for the possible and some people use that as inspiration to try the same or discover something else. I'll be interested to see if any legit, new, human achievable tech evolves from this.

[@neblolthecarnerd]

Could just separate stuff between tas and no tas like pretty much every speedrun community

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Yep, exactly!

[@lemon66111]

@@Rocket_Sledge mario kart wii shortcut TASes are a pretty good example as well

[@biticalifi1879]

As someone' who's familiar with TAS in Trackmania games, I can't wait to see the new things that will done with Rocket League TAS!

[@Idkbrosef]

"I can unlimited flip resets too!" -every plat ever

[@brysoncorn4390]

I'm plat bud. We're not dumb, like I know I can only do 20-21 before my warm up 💀

[@joethepro2405]

@@brysoncorn4390 Bro can only do 21 resets im in my triples 🤣

[@barisdogru6437]

I think the better meme for this situation would be, "Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!"-Plats

[@Yoso_tv]

I'm glad you mentioned Trackmania in this video, it's a very important piece of the puzzle, TAS is a very entertaining thing when it's put in context, and used to its full potential, while it has had some issues with the Trackmania replays, Rocket League isn't all about speedrunning times or the replays, and even freestyle being all about the shot, there will still be huge value held on people that can pull off sick shots live. If TAS becomes a big part of the freestyle community, and attracts its own viewership, it makes it an incentive for those people to stop trying to fake shots, and actually do good TAS content.

[@EridCR]

My huge respect to Blaku!, not only for releasing the TAS, but mostly for condemning scamming people.

[@iGoSweatyy]

Bro made a whole rocket league presentation

[@jerry3790]

It just means that we will need more live freestyle tournaments to truly judge their abilities

[@Owlrrex]

TAS has not killed speedrunning by and large, and I think freestyling and TAF (Tool Assisted Freestyling) can coexist in just the same way. Yes, you'll have to stay on your toes for cheating, and scandals will happen, but I have full faith that if other speedrunning communities can keep the scales tipped far in favour of honest, benign competition, then so can the Rocket League community. That being said, the exposure you provide here to Blaku & the situation is crucial to protect viewers from being misled. Outstanding work, again!

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Well said. Another alternate name I like is "Tool Assisted Shot" which means it is still "TAS".

[@Owlrrex]

@@Rocket_Sledge Oh that's also great, and able to keep the Acronym. Excellent!

[@cyrnoz1803]

@@Rocket_Sledge Tas also stands for "tool assisted superplay" wich still aplies here

[@Rocket_Sledge]

@@cyrnoz1803 ah I have never heard that one.

[@klankenanker]

Excited to see the tas competition!!!

[@Yuhara_rev]

Well made video, nice. At first thought this would be simply be "TAS for public is here, these are things people can do with it. Isn't it cool" kind of video. Certainly didn't expect the potential scam using a stolen plugin.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Well that's how the video started out for sure, until I started to research a little further.

[@PKRL3322]

This is going to make freestyling so much more difficult now because there are going to be so many more people using TAS that we'll have to decide are fake or not. Controller overlays and live streams are gonna be necessary at this point to prove you don't use it.

[@BuggyBuggerson]

Video Suggestions: Sledge! Make a video where it is rocket league, but each demo is a goal! Second Suggestion: Put 1 player from each rank in a 3v3 lobby of all pro players and see which rank performs the best

[@gallade.5038]

And i started to think that Rocket League was safe from cheats. "How could one cheat in a game like Rocket League?" I'm a fool to think that people would play *any* game without cheating. It's to the point where cheating in games is normal.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Fortunately the server environment does make it mostly safe from cheats. No game is immune of course, but actual competitive cheats are rare. Cheating clips for clout is not though, but in the end a lot less serious.

[@SirLampsALot]

I like and agree with your video, but my only gripe is that most of them (with the exception of HalfWayDead’s speedrun on dribbling) would fall under Tool Assisted Superplays as opposed to Tool Assisted Speedruns

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Or "tool assisted shots"

[@SirLampsALot]

@@Rocket_Sledge that works too lol

[@scepterlit]

I had no idea just how serious TAS really was! I hope we can get an interview or something from Impulse. I want to know if they were just trying to pull a huge prank or not. Great vid as always Sledge! 👍

[@ipodman371]

thank you for bringing this to light. ive been in the RL community since ~2016 and i had no idea TAS was in anyway available to RL players.

[@BumpoTheClown]

Great video as always, Sledge!

[@hhaste]

Glad you made this video. Someone should take that kid (Tyrese) to court and teach him how to not be a POS. He's lucky he's posting that on Tiktok, or else I'd be trolling every single post. I'll never make an account on that platform.

[@MckWells]

TAS seems like the perfect tool to create videos like the RL trailers for new seasons and cars.

[@kokokaka3289]

finally a TAS video thank you rocket sledge

[@zacraman]

Best way to defeat a cheat, normalise it. Making it available to everyone, creating competition, brilliant! Thank you for your contribution to the RL community.

[@bhavikabachwani5833]

I have been watching TAS runs for 5 years now and have tried making a few myself. Really cool that it is making its way into rocket league

[@RetroWarhead]

I think you freestyling in RL and drifting have things in common. Both judge based style sports. One of the most exciting things about tandem drifting is knowing there’s humans behind the wheel. There’s been videos of robot driven vehicles drifting but it’s not the same. It’s cool to see a robot run a perfect line once, but very boring after a while. It’s more impressive and exciting to see a driver do the same consistently. I’m sure TAS while have it’s place. But, overall I think it’ll just become a fun niche thing and freestyling will continue to grow as is. With players pushing each other to get better the same way drivers do at the track.

[@DigitalJedi]

I'm developing my own TAS + bot system. I will not be releasing this system due to what people have already done with TAS tools. I currently have input recording and splicing down, and as the program emulates a controller input, it will show on a gamepad viewer. As far as the computer knows, the USB stick with the program on it is a controller. This is a virtual controller I can write macros to, and then edit those macros in software to get perfect timing of things. I can also record inputs at different speeds. I have a universal speed variable that allows me to scale the macro to any speed I want. 1 is default game speed, and I typically record tests at 0.5 for half speed, so I can have extra precision in the inputs I want to test. Another interesting thing I have found is that being able to switch from keyboard to controller and back has its advantages, but this comment is already a wall, so I won't go over it much further now.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Sounds cool!

[@DigitalJedi]

@@Rocket_Sledge Thank you! I do want to clarify that this tool only exists as a way to reproduce inputs from testing things with each update, and I would never post a clip I hit with it.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

@@DigitalJedi Fortunately the cross over of people as smart as you and people that want to cheat is very small. Which is why stuff like this will never really be an issue in RL.

[@the1exnay]

I want to see a TAS exploring the ceiling shuffle. Seeing if perfection can allow one to drive on the ceiling indefinitely

[@Rocket_Sledge]

That's a cool idea!

[@DigitalJedi]

I'm already using this as a test case for my TAS + ML project. So far it seems promising. The best run stayed up for 1716 game ticks, or 14.3 seconds. Unfortunately I don't have video of these runs, as I just run the RL physics without the graphics for each generation to save my poor GPUs some real headache.

[@TheViandeSechee]

Blaku have the exact same voice of Otacon in Metal Gear Solid, this is crazy

[@tortoiserl]

as a solo freestyler on tiktok it makes me a bit sad to see tas being released to the public since I have already been accused many times of using it even though im spending a lot of time practicing these shots so I can get a good post on tiktok

[@BrutalThomas]

Fr dude

[@WinTheOnion]

trackmania has TAS, yet its speedrunning scene is doing just fine.

[@pulsefrost9562]

This is going to be rough for the future of freestyle and its crazy impulse is trying to play it off like they were not going scam people and not actually sell anything and that they were just “trolling” its crazy

[@azaad4395]

Bloku sounds like dream to me

[@jonrandomstuffclay1711]

I know finally understand. Thank you. Now I'm tempted to try. Also, is tas kinda like how you can go into your old games and replay them?

[@CLW09]

Hey I’m a platinum and I can unlimited flip reset is that good?

[@Rocket_Sledge]

I could unlimited flip reset in Gold but I guess everyone improves at different rates.

[@uwxhh]

@@Rocket_Sledge fr

[@rraaiin]

idk man i hit an open net in diamond one time

[@jaspuhh.]

Do a whole video on the Shimmy situation!

[@Rocket_Sledge]

I actually was planning to but then heard another creator was already working on one. If they end up not doing it I will come back and cover it in full.

[@Lt.Waffles]

Couple things you missed about TAS, or maybe I should say rephrased, it's main use in the speedrunning community is finding ways to beat a game in it's potentially fastest way possible which doesn't always mean it can't be humanly impossible. Many speedruns in various games use certain paths to figure out if a certain trick, glitch, shortcut, or options can even be done with a set input. While it can be optimized to the impossible fastest way, most of the time it's to figure out if a real person can do it in a reasonable high skill way. Or simulating thousand of runs for specific parameters. There's always cheating in speedrunning records and besides having experts figuring out fake from real ones, there are also other tools in place that help detect cheaters, such as inputs made by the peripherals used that are recorded with precise accuracy that shows if inputs they're using is even humanly possible. This is something that can easily show if speedruns are faked with TAS or not and i'd say even in RL. The only issue is that there would need to be a certain program used that can detect it that people would have to have before even attempting a speedrun and submitting, or have it only sent in log wise with a replay straight from RL, instead of just recording it on OBS or w.e. other recording software. I know Trackmania does this with their official speedruns.

[@RogatkaWR]

I'm all for people using TAS to see what could be accomplished with perfect inputs. However, using TAS to cheat records, selling other people's programs for a profit, and to claim like a section of TASed gameplay has been frowned upon for years in the Minecraft, Terraria, and Trackmania communities. It will most likely have a similar result in Rocket League as it already has in these games, in which the community will combat the development of cheating using TAS.

[@_WubbleU]

Great video Sledge!

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Thanks!

[@michaelwilliams3206]

Your channel is very underrated

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Thank you!

[@itsrickiii1856]

Letsgo Blaku!! Proud of you!

[@Blackbird1928]

TAS in the original super Mario bros was one of the greatest developments in the speedrunning scene there, allowing players to have a bench match to strive for “perfection”. I’ve always loved watching TAS videos but nothing will ever compare to being live on Kosmic’s stream while he beats the world record himself after hours and years of grinding. This won’t take away from the community will add to it, giving high level players new tools to elevate their game and create “perfect” mechanics to strive for. For the people using it to scam others, people be like that their name gets tainted and no one will trust what they put out anymore. High level players understand the games on a level the other 99.99% cannot fathom. Don’t worry, fakes will be routed out and disbarred.

[@tasshuffler8905]

In this context, it’s known as a TAF (Tool Assisted Freerun). Obviously no speedrunning involved with Rocket League :)

[@Rocket_Sledge]

I like "tool assisted shot" but I wasn't about to use less common names for titling and thumbnails though. We'll see what the community decides as we go forward in this new chapter of Rocket League.

[@Salty_rl]

Really thought that tiktoker was legit. Thanks for informing the community on being more aware on these plugins.

[@ChrisRobertsVlogs]

With slow-mo, what's to stop someone simply cropping the boost section, slowing it down to match the speed of the game played in slow-mo, importing that onto the original clip and overlaying it, then speeding it all back up together to make it the correct speed? Seems that if someone wants to cheat it's still pretty easy already, no?

[@Rocket_Sledge]

The kids that want to cheat are rarely the ones that have ability or desire to put that much work into it. Fortunately that barrier to entry means most faking methods are rarely a big issue and if someone more well known *does* try stuff like that, they have so many eyes on them it eventually gets found out.

[@SurfsUpSeth]

Yeah but you also can take that section of the boost screen and slow down the blinking to match the sped up video. Since the boost overlay isn’t transparent. So really the slow motion strat is still viable

[@DigitalJedi]

You can also slow down the game with anything other than bakkesmod. Only bakkes leaves the boost meter and other UI elements alone. Manually altering the tick rate should slow everything down.

[@nviwraith5271]

damn, i had no idea DL G got exposed, i remember seeing that way back.

[@lynqsx]

Recently I thought about TASing in Rocket League but I got to the point that TASing in Rocket League is not that influencel like in other games.

[@tas9108]

Damn, so I've become a bot

[@goblue2246]

This is not pulse impulse btw guys ❤

[@BodyOfPlayMusic]

Great video!!

[@THEGUARDIANSTACO117]

As an enjoyer of speedrunning, TAS is a wonderful thing. That being said, people who use TAS and claim they're the ones doing the gameplay are scum and trash. TAS is for the people who want to see a game pushed to it's absolute limits. I liked the Trackmania clip that you link and I'm sure you know they had a big cheating scandal with some of their WR holders, so hopefully we don't have too many people trying to abuse it for fame and subs as it will come back to bite them. SM64 would've been another good game for a TAS clip, too. The problem is a lot of people are easily impressionable and not super knowledgeable at the same time, so people using TAS to make nice shots and then not labeling it as a TAS in the video are going to have people think they are gods, like with Tyrese as you were showing. Content creators for RL need to be on the same page that anyone using TAS for clips needs to label it as such in order to avoid any confusion. As far as WRs go, TAS can have their own separate category like they do in other games. WR held by humans can still be fought over by humans, while the TAS side of things will be trying to edge out frames over one another. This can also open up the potential to find new mechanics possibly.

[@cesaarrock]

why did no one think of editing in a boost meter with the regular rate on top of the sped up one rather than just hiding the thing as a whole...

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Because the overlap of people that want to cheat FS clips and those that are smart or skilled enough to do editing tricks is very small.

[@hexeggen]

Honestly, when it comes to legitimacy, the freestyler might have to provide a hand cam. It is just like the Geometry Dahs community where clicks/hand cams are a necessity.

[@Toma-621]

I feel like TAS is going to increase the skill ceiling significantly. I mean imagine Justin using TAS to learn new shots or mechanics that would otherwise be impossible to practice over and over again. I also feel like people will start improving a lot faster using TAS as a training tool rather than to just look cool

[@metaliode]

exactly why it got my interest, tools are supposed to be OPTION to show new ways, not something you use to make views like you're the one playing, but tools dont have ego so there's always stupid peoples using them for something stupid and its a sad occurence for the game and all the players that would make us look like cheaters

[@99MrX99]

I think it would be a good idea to show an overlay in a corner or so when the TAS plugin is being used, it may not prevent all cases of posing it as real but maybe limit it.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

You'll notice an overlay in the top center in Blaku's clips.

[@Biluseu]

I've seen TAS being used for quite a while in the game Hollow Knight. Since Hollow Knight is much more simpler in terms of mechanics, I tought Rocket League would be way too complex with all the small adjustments you need to do. Absolutely insane what "AI" or coding as come to

[@TheScienceNerd100]

One of the bigger signs of the people are cheating is that if these people were this good in actual live shots, you would be seeing them do these in world class competitions like the Ford Freestyling tournaments. But you know why they aren't? Cause they can't do any of it legit, it's all fake. If they were put on the spot to do even half of what they say they can do legit, they'll just fly around and not even get close.

[@Froqqy54]

From the MKW community here: this would actualy be TAF(tool-assisted freefrun), not TAS(tool assisted speedrun)

[@ryderchill]

TAS should only be a fun tool to see the limits of the ingame mechanics imo

[@thisisaduck]

I think we’ll need a Guinness world record type system to validate stuff like chained flip reset records where there’s a trusted community member present when it happens to make sure everything is legit. It’s a bit complicated but would definitely help.

[@billyrussell8684]

Frees style tournaments gonna have to be live streamed with full view. The ball is stationary on kick off so could see a whole plug in if your first to go or opponent just scored.

[@TheMathias95]

@@billyrussell8684 Or simply just have some 3rd representative ingame give you the ball, that removes the static kickoff.

[@joshuadrinkwater4391]

A camera looking at the controller or keyboard required. Sorted

[@somerandomdudefes31]

Seems like this is basically rocket league's version of responsible disclosure from the ethical hacking world.

[@MPJ.85]

@Rocket Sledge you should do a video like Wirtual does on Trackmania cheaters. It involves probably a lot of research but gives a good insight what is happening inside these communities and can sensible a lot of players.

[@OhMyPulse]

You can easily replace the fast boost meter with a regular speed one in an editing software lol if thats the only way that ppl can tell then thats sad cause thats way too easy of a solution to be able to fake clips undetected

[@TheVectorious]

Please make a video going over the discord investigation. That would be super interesting. Plus I’m too lazy to go read the discord.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

I think there is another creator already doing it and that's why I decided to not go into it too much.

[@TheVectorious]

@@Rocket_Sledge lol. “Another creator”

[@Rocket_Sledge]

@@TheVectorious 😘 didn't want to step on the little guy's toes.

[@deleteduser8574]

TAS won't overwhelm the freestyle community, as it hasn't overwhelmed speedrunning community. Now, Tyrese and Impulse are... Being incredibly awful people. Can't believe they'd do that.

[@TheImmenseFence]

You can just overlay a legit boost meter, since it's always 100... Ball cam flashes faster too and would be harder to overlay

[@joshgray1410]

With TAS more widespread, there is a chance new mechanics will be discovered that at first, doesn’t seem humanly possible. People have been faking RL clips for years, this won’t change anything. Anyone who would try to abuse it to fake “real” shots are already doing it.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Agreed!

[@SimplyTiffany2009]

Yeah I’m never trusting another freeplay clip

[@LimabeanStudios]

have any communities ever actually gotten ruined by tas? the trend seems to always be, someone posts clips pretending they are legit. once discovered everyone gets upset and starts freaking out about how dangerous tas will be. then the community finds a way to detect tas clips and it's no longer a real issue. in the end I feel like tas almost exclusively leads to good things by showing what is technically possible, leading players to push themselves in ways not seen before.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

Agreed.

[@JJStylies]

just something to note: in many games, TAS is made entering inputs frame by frame, which allows them to do completely inhuman things like enter forward and back alternating every other frame at 60fps. I'd be really interested to see if/how broken RL could get with frame by frame inputs like that.

[@DigitalJedi]

RL handles fast inputs surprisingly well. I've tested steering back and forth at 30hz (60 inputs / second) and it had no problem with it. I imagine that if you get above the physics tick rate of 120hz though (240 inputs / second in my steering case) it would get interesting though.

[@excalibur2038]

Idk why people get so worried about this, every other game has used tas for the better of the community, its great for technical advancement, some games even use once thought humanely impossible techniques that were discovered on tas and replicated by humans. I think this will rapidly advance rocket league mechanics and freestyleing for the better, and the community will overcome the cheaters and find ways to prove being a legitimate player just like every other community. I think the future of freestyling looks bright

[@sweetooth123456789]

Trackmanias a great example of this

[@Ninjakiw1]

As a TrackMania player I think TAS is mostly a good thing, firstly for showing things that wouldn't be humanly possible and also for theorizing potential shortcuts in TrackMania or other tricks in rocket league, the rules regarding WR might have to be updated with things like a controller cam or something like that but I don't see that as an issue

[@kerbinsphere]

I'm glad to see at least some justice has been served here, terrible that people are trying to scam people though I also plan to release my own TAS thing using RL bot. Pretty much you just set up inputs in a file and the bot executes them for you. This means you don't need to be able to do any part of the original shot to use this. You could do 30 flip resets in a row without being able to do 1 yourself. I don't know if I'm going to be able to pull this off though and I'm worried about people cheating with this. Luckily RL bot uses an offline only version of rocket league so it's impossible for it to be brought into competitive and even if that did happen it'd be useless since it also needs a static start for probably at least 15 seconds. I'm more concerned about people faking clips with this, I'll def try and do something to prevent that before releasing it. I have no idea if I'll be able to do this but if I can I won't be releasing it for a while. Anyway if you'd be interested in seeing this like this comment and/or reply with your thoughts.

[@Rocket_Sledge]

I would definitely be interested in looking at this when you have a working model that you want to show off.

[@sugarneap]

hehe i was hoping he would include a trackmania clip. That used to be a huge scandal lol

[@BGFutureBG]

Isn't the TAS by blaku not also a really great tool for training as well 🤔

[@Rocket_Sledge]

It would be yes! Also there is the potential to discover new mechanics or more efficient ways to do things.

[@jared_deraj]

I'm so excited to get home and see what I can do with this. I don't think it's a negative thing at all. Been looking forward to TAS in RL for years

[@toothboto1719]

another well made video as always 👏 Unfortunately, TAS coming to the masses marks a sad day for the future of rocket leagues integrity for competitive play.

[@hesiiii]

how would TAS affect the integrity of competitive play?

[@DigitalJedi]

@@hesiiii Other than kickoffs I really can't see how just yet. If somebody manages to give an AI the controls for a shot though, we could see some interesting things.

[@hesiiii]

@@DigitalJedi TAS cant affect anything in game though, its just in freeplay. in my eyes using TAS doesn't inherently make you any better than freeplay would.

[@DigitalJedi]

@@hesiiii A macro kickoff would be 100% consistent, and with TAS they can have a perfect speed flip to almost beat you to the ball every time. As for shots, having the ability to make frame-perfect inputs can give you a perfect power hit on every ball with perfect placement. Sure, you could invest 10000 hours of your life to have Leth's shooting ability, or the code can do it.

[@hesiiii]

@@DigitalJedi but it doesn’t work in game, only freeplay

[@BlackFlame987]

yk, this could actually be a good learning tool for certain mechanics

[@GooberLeague]

Probably have to make streaming required for valid records.

[@mr_trent]

With the boost meter, if you're already in editing software to speed the shot up couldn't you just mask the flashing "BOOST" word and replace it with a legit boost meter underneath? Seems like an easy thing to get around as the boost meter never moves

[@nr1341]

So speedrunning has controller cams, right? Would that be useful here? Could the plugin write metadata to... a file and then people could find that? What if it triggered ball cam (or something else that wouldn't affect gameplay) so quickly that the human eye couldn't detect it, but it did it at fixed parts of the video that people could pick up with software. Basically it would be cool if the plugin could provide some sort of "watermark" that software could easily find to prove fakes.